New York MMA Bill Is Dead
by Mike Fagan on Jun 20, 2011 3:00 PM EDT
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The news isn't surprising, but it looks like regulated MMA in the state of New York will have to wait another year. Justin Klein of the Fight Lawyer blog reports that the bill does not appear on the Agenda of the Ways & Means Committee, which all but kills its chances.
While Assemblyman Bob Reilly has become the public voice of opposition against mixed martial arts, the sport has many more opponents working in New York's legislature. For instance, here's Herman Farrell, Chair of the Ways & Means Committee (emphasis mine):
"I don't think very much of the sport," Farrell said. "Next we'll give them clubs with spikes on the end; that will be good."
I suppose I'll table my support for the growing sport of SpikeClub for the time being.
While the battle in 2011 appears lost, Klein insists positive steps were made that should approve chances in the future:
Despite the setback, there is some room for optimism this year. Indeed, there was more mainstream media attention to the issue, which I believe and have previously written will be critical if we are going to get this done. Moreover, the votes (when votes occurred) were more favorable to MMA than past years.
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I give that old man two years tops before he retires
or goes completely senile.
never underestimate the ability of public serveants to hang on
aka BuckeyedBear34
by T.P. Grant on Jun 20, 2011 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Especially in NY.
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by inadvertentgroinstrike on Jun 20, 2011 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Exactly. This is NY, if your not paying someone off, your not getting what you want. Fuck NY, who even cares if they go there. Not enough to deal with this bullshit. And I’m from NY!
by p123 on Jun 20, 2011 3:19 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Fellow Noo Yawker here. (845 Represent!)
Getting out of that moneysink was the smartest thing I ever did.
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by inadvertentgroinstrike on Jun 20, 2011 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions
No I’m from NY , you know the real one. Lol. ( typical NYC arrogance ) Fuck this place !
by p123 on Jun 20, 2011 3:40 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I suppose I’ll table my support for the growing sport of SpikeClub for the time being.
Mike, this is everything I love about you in one sentence.
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by inadvertentgroinstrike on Jun 20, 2011 3:06 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
such ignorance is painful
least someone could do is a little research before they legislate, it is their job after all
aka BuckeyedBear34
If history shows us anything
having a qualified, informed opinion is not required in politics.
"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."
by TheFilt on Jun 20, 2011 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions 10 recs
the ability to get elected is reflection of one skill and one alone
the ability to win elections
aka BuckeyedBear34
How cute!
There’s still someone who thinks the majority of these people aren’t in politics for an easy salary, a pension and using their influence to get hired on boards of various companies to make barrels of cash!
by ihateemo on Jun 20, 2011 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
How cute!
Another jaded poster on an MMA forum.
PS I am a jaded poster on an MMA forum.
by Body Triangle on Jun 20, 2011 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Next we’ll give them clubs with spikes on the end; that will be good."
Yes and club you idiot in the head with it till you come to your senses. Wow what a bunch of Neanderthals.
Calling an elected official a neanderthal after proposing that they be clubbed for disagreeing with you
is the pinnacle of irony.
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by pdl on Jun 20, 2011 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions 8 recs
Not really
There’s no evidence that Neanderthals had such simple and violent means.
"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."
I'm with Mike
Let’s start the SpikeClub League. It will make MMA look tame in the public eyes and it will be legal everywhere while the Battle Against SpikeClub lasts.
Bob Sapp vs. Rodrigo Nogueira Bob "The Beast" Sapp is 400 pounds, and if 300 pounds of it aren’t pure steroids, then someone has got to be fucking kidding. -SeanBaby
Spikeclub...
Fight Club with spikes? I am dooooooooooown.
That sounds awesome.
"Are you going to believe me or your lying eyes" Groucho Marx
by KimboLeopoldo on Jun 20, 2011 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I would so Rec that...
If there was a single spike, club, or spiked club in the picture
by BKdroid on Jun 20, 2011 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
The analogy of idiots (politicians):
Fighting with no weapons; with a nut cup and mouth guard; with rules, an in-cage ref, and a ring-side doctor = fighting with weapons trying to kill each other.
They have no problem actually giving kids weapons, sending them overseas and telling them to kill people, though.
by d.rok on Jun 20, 2011 3:19 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 22 recs
rec this shit to the moooooon!
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by MMArazorback on Jun 20, 2011 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Damn Damn Damn
"Sarcastically I'm in charge" - Militant #2
by LRaunThaDamaja on Jun 20, 2011 3:24 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
LOL!
Anderson Silva, Edson Barboza, Jose Aldo, Charles Oliveira, Thiago Alves = Muay Thai wrecking machines!
by SentientAndroid on Jun 20, 2011 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Somebody need to tell Herman...
Nobody gives a fuck what he thinks… He is suppose to be doing what HIS VOTERS want, not what he wants… This is the problem with politicians they dont give a flying fuck what the people want, its all about what they want and how to make their pockets fatter… Unfortunately we have a nation of IDIOTs who keep voting the same dumb fucks into office… SO ANGRY right now, as if you couldnt tell!!
by Fokman on Jun 20, 2011 3:25 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
ok maybe not that last line
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by Cory Braiterman on Jun 20, 2011 3:26 PM EDT reply actions
If there's a silver lining....
it’s that one of the main talking points used to push the MMA bill currently going through hoops in Connecticut is that it’s not yet legal in New York next door, and Connecticut has an opportunity to make some money off that. If it passes in Connecticut that would just leave NY and Vermont. And NY would be the only place it’s explicitly illegal (and don’t give me that Mohegan Sun bullshit argument; MMA is legal on any Indian Reservation with a venue).
Dammit, I did not mean to press enter on that yet.
Anyway if NY is the last place it’s illegal, as it looks like it might end up being, then it’s going to find itself looking very reactionary and that’s going to be more pressure by itself. Also, in addition to the much wider margin by which is passed the state senate, this is the first year where the Governor said he’d sign it if it reached him (as opposed to a veto which would have required a super-majority in the NY state assembly to bypass and one more round of voting).
It's no wonder..
NYers are leaving the state if they’re able. Boxing still sees MMA as a HUGE threat to their pockets. Boxing still has a ton of weight here and probably made some back room, secret club, blood oath that MMA would never come to NY and lined all the necessary pockets to make sure that happens. Sad, sad, sad.
I say fuck those guys
They don’t want us there then fuck it. Who cares. Lets go everywhere except there and when they decide to make it legal then lets just not go.
(I realize this is a ridiculous thought so don’t worry.)
"What the ancients called a clever fighter is one who not only wins, but excels in winning with ease."
As a former new yorker, I can speak for my experience living in New York. There is a reason the state is shrinking faster than any state in the history of the country. High taxes, low opportunity, decrepit road systems and infrastructure. They are drowning in debt despite the excessively high taxes.. why? They elect the worst possible politicians to represent them. The state government is not only a national joke (look it up if you don’t know what I am talking about… it is pretty funny), but it is corrupt to the core. Screw NY. I would lose no sleep over MMA in NY. They are hell bent on their own destruction. They are focused on that goal and actively working toward it.
Werdum beat Fedor, Dos Santos beat Werdum, Joaquim Ferreira beat Dos Santos. Therefore Ferreira is WAAAAY better than Fedor. Keep MMA math alive!
by crizzy on Jun 20, 2011 3:49 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Case in point of why Dana and Joe don't need to be calling journalist "dumb bitches" and such
Indeed, there was more mainstream media attention to the issue, which I believe and have previously written will be critical if we are going to get this done.
I am Genuinely going to miss Macho Man Randy Savage. RIP
There are ways to do it
Without alienating your company and hurting your cause. Which should be the national acceptance of the sport and making more money, not scoring points with your buddys by “keeping it real”.
I know if I were a journalist, and these man-children talked about me in such a manner, I wouldn’t be writing positive pieces about MMA. Like it or not, that turns into ammunition for political hacks to use. Positive coverage is a very powerful tool, and as Bill Clinton said
Never pick a fight with people who buy ink by the barrel.
I am Genuinely going to miss Macho Man Randy Savage. RIP
Meh, a guy making up the sport of spike club isn’t going to vote for mma if dana called him a cunt or if dana could shit out a rainbow that had a big enough pot of gold at the end to solve the nation’s debt.
Maybe not him in particular, that guy has an agenda. Likely stemming from the Fertitas not unionizing their casinos in Vegas, or something like that I read. Still, you don’t want to piss on the media, its short sighted and looks terrible. Ask Barry Bonds
I am Genuinely going to miss Macho Man Randy Savage. RIP
I'm not even from the US, but this is just wrong on so many levels
Politicians should be making decisions on the basis of what is good for the economy and the people, not on their own personal opinions. To not even allow it to go to a vote isn’t democracy, its blatant corruption.
by Joe Obo on Jun 20, 2011 4:26 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
This is what's good for the people.
If you allow MMA to become legal in New York, who knows what kind of immorality will follow! Street fights! Murder! Rioting!
"So even though it’s the gayest sport ever, MMA is still the best sport ever. I love my gay sport." - Wrestling Uber Alles
Didn’t polling show New Yorkers didn’t approve of MMA?
by Jonathan Snowden on Jun 20, 2011 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Does that mean they can remove it from the agenda?
by Joe Obo on Jun 20, 2011 4:46 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
that’s fine, but I would feel a million times better if a group of elected officials actually voted no instead of just refusing to bring it up for debate/vote.
Having it stall in committee is getting old, if the assembly doesn’t want to pass it, vote no, officially say you don’t want it. At least Riley votes no every time, letting it stall out is political bullshit.
Jon, you know as well as I do that when you want to cast a political poll
it is very easy to skew the results one way or another based on the question and choices in your favor.
If you want to know what I think go to HeadKickLegend.com
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by Matthew Roth on Jun 20, 2011 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions
What’s your background in politics or polling? What are the red flags for you that this particular poll was biased in some way?
It reflects my experience – most people I know aren’t pro-cage fighting.
by Jonathan Snowden on Jun 20, 2011 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Recent Poll....
…I don’t have the stats in front of me, but didn’t they have like 830 responses with a 5% margin of error? If so, doesn’t that make the results relatively meaningless??
On another note, didn’t tens of thousands of people die over the concept of “No Taxation Without Representation”? So we fight like hell to create a true Republic, where what the people want matters — yet Farrell decides the only opinion that matters is his own?? Pathetic that he won’t have the Committee take the five extra minutes to vote on this bill. Must have been some good tee times available…..
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by BrothersGottaAndyHug on Jun 20, 2011 5:41 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
My background in politics?
I’ve worked on several campaigns in NYC running new media and setting up radio spots and interviews for my candidate. I understand how polling works. And I know that if I want to make a poll about literally any topic, it is easy to get the results skewed one way or another just by how the question is phrased or how the choices are given.
If you want to know what I think go to HeadKickLegend.com
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by Matthew Roth on Jun 20, 2011 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Just to be clear
You are disputing the validity of any and all polling? Based on no experience with polls, likely little higher level math, and no idea of this particular poll’s methodology?
by Jonathan Snowden on Jun 20, 2011 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions
It would be nice to see the poll you’re referencing.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jun 20, 2011 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions
The question was
“Should illegal cage fighting remain illegal?”
Someone for the UFC said that on MMA Live that is was biased because it calls it ‘illegal’ in the poll. Giving people a negative opinion about it.
"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."
The only poll there is,
is the one stuck up these politicians asses.
by Coeman on Jun 20, 2011 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Is that Rumble Johnson in the back right of that picture?
by MemphisMike on Jun 20, 2011 4:35 PM EDT reply actions 8 recs
Moronical
“I don’t think very much of the sport,” Farrell said. “Next we’ll give them clubs with spikes on the end; that will be good.”
-Say man when I was growing up we wanted a Jacuzzi, we had to fart in the tub.
you can hate Bob Reilly all you want
but the dude keeps winning battles against mma regulation in new york every time. especially against the ufc and dana white.
A few more years...
…and all these old men will have gone to pasture. Then maybe younger and brighter minds will win out.
If the sport keeps growing and making money
It will be sanctioned in NY, because nothing speaks more to politicians than money.
So MMA can't make it through the assembly
but makes it through the Senate. Gay marriage can’t make it through the senate, but makes it through the assembly. Anyone else thinking team up?
by Trysdor on Jun 20, 2011 9:04 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
It appears that a good number of the people that are still willfully ignorant of the sport will be dead soon. That will help.
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
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by Derek Suboticki on Jun 20, 2011 9:39 PM EDT reply actions
Lol at these retards. I am by means a WAY bigger hockey fan then MMA, but look at what hockey people did to vancouver. Have MMA fans ever appeared that fucking retarded ? Get your heads outta your ass NY.
by BrockLesnar Budlight on Jun 20, 2011 10:48 PM EDT reply actions
What do we call this genius new weapon of mass destruction?
A SPEAR!
It had to be said guys, sorry.
Seriously though I think it’s very disappointing that this can still happen, but MMA doesn’t need New York. We don’t have enough events to even come to the UK this year!
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