Joe Rogan Jumps Into the Rampage Jackson Debate
by Brent Brookhouse on Jun 2, 2011 7:04 PM EDT
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Quinton Jackson's post-UFC 130 interview with Karyn Bryant was talked about almost as much as his fight with Matt Hamill. In the interview Jackson made jokes about Bryant "making him horny" before "motorboating" or at least "air motorboating" her chest. This after previous incidents which had led to reporters complaining about his behavior.
The incident led to my writing about the MMA community's attitude toward women. The fact that Bryant said that she was okay with the situation meant that many fans were willing to write the situation off as "if she doesn't care, I don't care" with no regard for the pattern of behavior and failure to learn by Jackson.
If that weren't bad enough, Jackson began retweeting comments about how his actions were "alpha" before taking to tweeting at Bryant about showing her how an "alpha" acts and suggesting Ariel Helwani is gay following their bizarre interview. After Maggie Hendricks wrote an article at Yahoo's Cage Writer blog about the Rampage/Bryant situation he then said that he bets Maggie is "ass ugly."
If that weren't enough, Cage Potato points out that UFC color commentator Joe Rogan chimed in on the situation on the Underground responding to a forum critique of Hendricks' writing:
I think Rampage occasionally gets out of line, and I think some of what he does in interviews [is] unfortunate. I also think that's a part of his charm. He's not a f*cking dentist, he's a cage fighter, and he's one with a very unique personality. I don't think he should be given a free pass for some of the questionable things he does, but I do think that this woman in question is all kinds of c*nty. The Skywalker broke down everything that's wrong with her and her sh*tty, c*nty brand of writing to a f*cking T. That, was worthy of the #BOOM.
(editing of words done by Bloody Elbow.)
I'm sure we'll hear the usual defenses of Joe's bad behavior. "He's a comedian!" "This is how guys talk!" And the other similarly weak excuses.
But if you really want to take that stance, you can't advocate that people treat MMA with the slightest bit of respect on the level of other sports. While the NBA, NFL and MLB run campaigns addressing the homophobic slurs used by their stars (as well as leveling fines for tens of thousands of dollars) or taking part in the "It Gets Better" campaign against bullying, the UFC embraces this behavior.
We all know from Rogan's treatment of Tomas Rios (calling him a "f*g") that there's no punishment coming. Rogan won't be suspended, fined or reprimanded. Maybe they'll tell him to "say sorry" but it will be as hollow as his "apology" to Rios in which he apologized for calling him "f*g" by calling him "c*nty."
Rogan's behavior is so far beyond what would be allowed from anyone in a position of far less visibility in any other sport that it actually demands MMA not be taken seriously by the mainstream. To pretend that the behavior of visible members of the UFC doesn't actually impact the amount of respect and, in turn, the amount of coverage the sport receives is plain ignorance.
I'll turn to Cage Potato to sum up one of the problems with even covering these stories:
In a way, all stories like this feel manufactured, in the sense that us members of the media care about them, despite the fact that the majority of sports fans don't give a rat's ass. It's just not part of their conversation. Nine out of ten UFC fans will side with Quinton Jackson and Joe Rogan every time, because Rampage and Joe are awesome, and motorboating is hilarious, and who the f*ck is Maggie Hendricks anyway?
At the end of the day, that's the world we live in. One where a female reporter talking about an issue concerning her profession and gender is turned into the villain while the fans all smile and laugh.
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THIS is what will prevent MMA from being mainstream.
You act like a second-rate sport, you will be treated like a second-rate sport.
@scb0212
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by Scott C. Broussard on Jun 2, 2011 7:08 PM EDT reply actions 12 recs
I completely agree. What happens in the cage won’t be what holds the sport that we all love from being truly mainstream. It’ll be the things like this. It’s sad, and it’s embarrassing.
by GetYourHeadStomps on Jun 2, 2011 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Realistically, the very violence that is the sport creates a lower ceiling for popularity.
But shit like this prevents it from reaching that height.
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by Scott C. Broussard on Jun 2, 2011 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You're Wrong: this stuff actually helps mma
Naw. “Shit like this” actually increases the popularity of the UFC and MMA. Face it, the fan base of MMA is mostly young males. And they find stuff like this entertaining. When stuff like this is put out there, it attracts members of the fan base. And it isn’t sexist either. There are clips of Jackson dry humping everything from stationary objects (doors, posts), to guys (training partners, random dudes), to women. It is just something that, in his words, “alpha male”, types find funny. And it is funny for Christ’s sake. Fighting is a “wild” sport and fighters are generally male and kind of “wild.” So are the fans. Generally.
This isn’t football or baseball. The NFL, MLB, etc. try to keep their atheletes under tight control in an effort to widen the fan base as much as possible… to old, young, and both sexes. That is because the fan base has a lot of potential in every direction. I don’t care what Dana says about MMA being bigger than the NFL eventually. That ain’t gonna happen. Nearly 50% of the population will never like MMA (girls). That’s just a fact. Sure, a lot of girls do like it. But the large majority have no interest in it and, if they do watch it, it is only because their man wants to.
So as far as the actual potential fan base, stuff like this actually helps MMA. There is nothing wrong with it. It is what it is. If you want to see someone give a girl flowers as tears ruin her make up because she did a beautiful spin, go watch figure skating. If you want to see pumped up dude get crazy on a reporter… watch MMA.
I don't know how much it helps mma...
but if there weren’t a market for this kind of behavior, the top grossing movie in this country would not be Hangover 2.
by John Danaher's Hair on Jun 2, 2011 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
To be fair ...
Figure skating spiked in popularity when Nancy Kerrigan got hit in the knee.
And network tv remains hesitant to touch the UFC and the biggest advertisers are hesitant to touch the UFC. The fact that you can’t prevent the president, one of its biggest stars, and the announcer from constantly saying dumb shit will constantly hinder the sports’ development.
"So he basically called me a Jew. I was confused because I'm black and Methodist."
by rocket8188 on Jun 3, 2011 1:00 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
That's not fair
And that’s not “how it is.” That is how it is marketed. The face and image that MMA puts forward is entirely up to the promotions, and I would argue that the UFC has a very permissive attitude about this kind of behavior because it fits their desired angles and storylines with the fighters. Hell, their whole gimmick with the nu-metal, the gladiator music, and pro-wrestling style behavior is to play up the whole tough hetero male image.
I think if MMA is going to become mainstream, then it needs to be something that everyone can enjoy (and yes, I believe men, women, and children can enjoy it equally). The WWE wisened up and dropped the cussing. The UFC needs to wisen up and drop the homophobia and sexual harassment. There is no place for these things in the martial arts and in the sport of MMA.
It is fair, and...
No, Jackson’s behavior was not sexual harassment. As I noted, he has done similar things to men. It is just his sense of humor. Also, to qualify as harassment she has to be … harassed (offended). It was all in jest, she knew it, and all the involved parties knew it. People like you are the only ones who feel “harassed”, and if someone can’t watch two adults joke about motor-boating, then someone needs to grow up or grow a pair.
Also, women will never enjoy MMA equally with men for the same reason women don’t fight in school, bars, and clubs nearly as often as men nor compete in wrestling as often as men. Men naturally enjoy combat at a much higher rate than women do. That is just how nature has been designed. Much more women will always be able to enjoy games like football and baseball.
The last thing this sport needs is for everyone to act like GSP.
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by mma_dude on Jun 2, 2011 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
What? Is there no middle between bland-as-toast and borderline-sexual-harasser?
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by Scott C. Broussard on Jun 2, 2011 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Sure
Diaz, Nick.
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by RolloTomasi on Jun 2, 2011 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I agree
Who the hell wants champions with gatorade endorsements?
I want that guy who overdosed on energy drinks and ran over a pregnant woman.
BOOSH
by Farthammer on Jun 2, 2011 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
Ummmmmm?
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No Truces??
I guess the Gatorade execs didn’t see the post-fight bro-hug with Koscheck.
by John Danaher's Hair on Jun 2, 2011 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Am I the only one who doesn't give a fuck if MMA goes "mainstream"?
I like MMA just where it is, big enough to notice
small enough to avoid ESPN overload.
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by RolloTomasi on Jun 2, 2011 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
I just want, at a minimum, for it not to be seen as a freakshow sport.
I want the athletes to be respected as top-level athletes.
@scb0212
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by Scott C. Broussard on Jun 2, 2011 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Done and done
Learn JiuJitsu, it's fun.
I spend way too much time on the SB blogs......it's embarrassing.
Also, when they appear on TV, I want the fighter not to need to explain what "ultimate fighting" is to the audience.
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by Scott C. Broussard on Jun 2, 2011 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I already think we're there brah.
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I spend way too much time on the SB blogs......it's embarrassing.
Not sure about that - Jones had to give a lengthy explanation on Leno...
Also, as tweeted by Chris Nelson:
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by Scott C. Broussard on Jun 2, 2011 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions
People still watch Leno?
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by RolloTomasi on Jun 2, 2011 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
i guess we'd have to define what constitutes 'mainstream' as well, right?
are we referring to popularity, size, mass promotion, social acceptance?
by Victor Rodriguez on Jun 2, 2011 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I really don't care.
I accept it, it’s popular to me.
Too many are concerned about how MMA is perceived, I really couldn’t care less.
It’s here to stay.
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Today, sure
What about next year? People had similar confidence in NASCAR, poker
by Forbidden Psychological Technology on Jun 2, 2011 8:24 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
NASCAR is booming right now.
where you been?
btw I hate NASCAR, but damn, it’s blowing up.
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I spend way too much time on the SB blogs......it's embarrassing.
Maybe "NASCAR" and "blowing up" shouldn't be used quite like that...
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by Scott C. Broussard on Jun 2, 2011 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions
and BOOM goes the dynamite
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“I accept it, it’s popular to me.”
Selfish.
If you think MMA is in some deeply penetrated cultural or financial standpoint as to not need to augment it’s profile – that business as usual will help it continue ad infinitum – you’re clueless and delusional.
Don’t be a taker.
And since when has growth impacted MMA or the UFC negatively? Who on earth thinks shit has gotten worse for MMA isnce the 2005 explosion?
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by Luke Thomas on Jun 2, 2011 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
Selfish?
What do you suggest I do?
Get all pissed off when a fighter says some dumb shit?
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by RolloTomasi on Jun 2, 2011 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions 10 recs
I've got better ways to spend my time
like posting Sexyama GIFs on BE.
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Why shouldn't he be selfish? He's the consumer.
Who watches a TV show so that the actors on the program can keep their jobs or make more money?
BE A TAKER!
The UFC wants you to consume its product. I too am opposed to the “mainstream at all costs” mindframe. One, the sport has gotten watered down as a result. Two, it’s already bigger than boxing, so it’s mainstream enough. I don’t care in MMA continues ad infinitum, and you shouldn’t either unless it’s gonna line your pocket somehow.
by Grease S. Pieces on Jun 2, 2011 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Thanks for saying
what I’m too dumb…..developmentally disabled to say.
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you shouldn’t either unless it’s gonna line your pocket somehow.
Ding ding ding.
Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.
by Geno Mrosko on Jun 3, 2011 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Nascar, Poker, Snowboarding, etc.
All had sudden initial popularity, all cooled significantly. That impacts revenue.
You also need to look at the certainty that at some point, there will be a serious injury/death in the Octagon. Maybe even live. If MMA is still a niche sport that caters to its current demagraphic, it will effectively die in North America.
Or, if by that point it’s established itself with some level of credibility and mainstream acceptance, it’ll probably survive.
by Forbidden Psychological Technology on Jun 2, 2011 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Good point
And one reason skateboarding is still around is that people like Tony Hawk are actually decent guys.
One day, even the most hopeless pimply keyboard warriors from the UG will grow up and have real girlfriends or develop some family ties with people who don’t put up with this nonsense. If the sport hasn’t grown up with them, the demographic dies.
by Beau Dure on Jun 2, 2011 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Tony Hawk is decent?
His ex-wives, and his best man (whose wife Hawk was nailing behind his back) all disagree.
BOOSH
Fuck Rampage hes a joke i hope he gets ktfo in his next fight
by Scal on Jun 2, 2011 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Stay classey there pal .
" Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth. " ~
Mike Tyson
by MidWayMonster54 on Jun 3, 2011 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions
I disagree that this is what will prevent MMA from being mainstream. The sport of MMA will prevent MMA from going mainstream. It doesn’t matter how much the sport is cleaned up, the majority of society doesn’t want to see a dude beating the shit out of another dude…especially if he’s not wearing boxing gloves.
by Stroma on Jun 2, 2011 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Agreed.
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by Scott C. Broussard on Jun 2, 2011 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Because
Joe is awesome, and motorboating is hilarious, and who the f*ck is Maggie Hendricks anyway?
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by RolloTomasi on Jun 2, 2011 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
In a way, all stories like this feel manufactured, in the sense that us members of the media care about them, despite the fact that the majority of sports fans don’t give a rat’s ass
This is the truest thing written so far. There are no victims in this ‘scandal’. There is no victimizer. NOBODY is trying to villainize Karyn Bryant. It sure as hell wasn’t an assault. I was watching a highlight reel of hers and she has made unsolicited sexual jokes in previous interviews. If that exact exchange had happened off camera at a party somewhere, everyone would give even less of a rat’s ass…a rat’s ass I want to pee in!
by Grease S. Pieces on Jun 2, 2011 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
A rat's ass
FOR ME TO POOP ON!
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You know there are female MMA reporters besides Karyn Bryant right?
They are the victims of this story.
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by Neil Manich on Jun 3, 2011 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
How exactly are they victims?
Is it because if they were in Karyn’s shoes (which they weren’t), they would have been offended? Is it because Anderson Silva is gonna follow Rampage’s lead and start making sexual jokes towards female reporters? They’re not victims because nothing bad will happen to them as a result of Rampage’s actions towards Karyn.
by Grease S. Pieces on Jun 3, 2011 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions
This is dumb
Go read what Beau Dure has been writing.
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Are you serious? Why hasn't he been fired?
Because when he first started he worked for free. Dana remembers that shit and is loyal to those who help the UFC (see: Griffin, Bonnar, Liddell, etc.) Rogan catches a lot of hate (unwarranted in my opinion) and this “the sky is falling” reaction to what Rampage said and what Rogan thought it is a sad commentary on the state of this country.
Well maybe that’s taking it a little far, but you get my point.
by Patrick79x on Jun 3, 2011 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
When Joe Rogan actually says something like that actually during UFC commentary, then the two will be closer to equivalence.
This was a posting on an internet message board.
by Rob Young on Jun 2, 2011 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I guarantee that if Don Imus knew how to use the internet (lol)
and he posted what he said about those girls on some sports forum as opposed to saying it on the air during his show, he’d still be on the air today.
Yes, he was obviously much higher profile, but you’re missing my point. Imus made his controversial comments on the air during his show. Since I bolded it last time and that didn’t suffice, I’ll repeat it.. Imus made his controversial comments on the air during his show. He said it in the most official of official capacities possible. Rogan however, didn’t make these comments (or the comments toward Tomas Rios, for that matter) during a UFC broadcast (even if he did, he is on PPV whereas Imus said it on MSNBC, a basic cable channel with stricter language standards but that’s neither here nor there). He posted in an internet forum.
That is why these two things can’t be compared.
by Rob Young on Jun 2, 2011 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
the whole point of this exercise
is to check Rogan’s behavior while it’s on the UG.
This is a guy who regularly goes on major television programs to debate MMA legalization etc. If he pulls this shit on Katie Couric or someone it’s a major set back for the sport.
The point is to nip it in the bud while it’s still on the UG.
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To be fair,
It is less likely to occur against someone like Katie Couric because Joe can likely recognize she has journalistic integrity. Maggie Hendricks is not Katie Couric.
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by Super Dingus on Jun 7, 2011 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions
furthermore
Imus didn’t get fired until sponsors started pulling out. there was no moral basis for his firing. he was suspended for two weeks and once CBS radio started to realize the show was getting dropped like a hot brick of shit, they dropped him to minimize damage and claim it was the right thing to do.
by Victor Rodriguez on Jun 2, 2011 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Lately he has been pretty average.
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by spectaa on Jun 2, 2011 7:17 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Ugh
this should not happen. Rampage’s actions were bad enough (aaalmost humorous, even?), all this other bs from him and rogan after the fact is just disgusting.
Nine out of ten UFC fans will side with Quinton Jackson and Joe Rogan every time, because Rampage and Joe are awesome, and motorboating is hilarious, and who the fuck is Maggie Hendricks anyway?
yep
although I know who maggie hendricks is and don’t like her
but im in the 9.
The fact that Bryant said that she was okay with the situation meant that many fans were willing to write the situation off as “if she doesn’t care, I don’t care” with no regard for the pattern of behavior and failure to learn by Jackson.
…that was…kind of in the story. Other reporters HAVE cared and rather than learning a lesson it continued. Lucky for him it was someone who turned out to be okay with it THIS time.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Jun 2, 2011 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Bryant loves it...
Reporters love attention — right Brent?
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by mma_dude on Jun 2, 2011 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
So Rampage is annoying.
It’s not a crime. Even that CagePotato reporter only showed dissatisfaction after the fact. If someone makes unwanted advances, you have to tell them, otherwise they can be misinterpreted as welcome/accepted. Perhaps you wanna play the ‘unprofessional’ angle. I can’t speak for the Japanese reporter, but the interviewers (Bryant and CagePotato girl) took the interviews in a casual direction (apparently casual=unprofessional to the media overseers) by proposing a hypothetical romantic comedy starring herself as Rampage’s love interest and by asking how ‘the homeboys’ react towards him. The interviewer is just as responsible for dictating the pace of the interview. I’m not a Rampage apologist because I don’t think he did anything wrong, nor am I attacking the reporters because I don’t think they did anything wrong either. I don’t know where it’s written that sex-talk and innuendo is out-of-bounds for interviews with athletes.
by Grease S. Pieces on Jun 2, 2011 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions
You've got to be kidding me..
So, in your theory, I can go and hump/motorboat anyone I want? And its not sexual harassment, unless they tell me ahead of time to not do that?
So from now on, every female reporter that wants to interview should start like this:
“good fight tonight Quinton, but before we start, I just want to let you know that I would prefer it if you didn’t put your face in my breasts, or if you didn’t start humping me… Now, about your fight…”
They don't have to tell you ahead of time...
…but they should at least show some dissatisfaction WHILE you’re doing it. Giggling and laughing is like the EXACT opposite of what you should do when someone is harassing you. You clearly took my explanation overboard or maybe you honestly don’t understand when words like “stop” or “don’t” can be useful.
by Grease S. Pieces on Jun 3, 2011 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I totally disagree...
We all know how fickle Dana White can be, especially with the media.
If this reporter, or any reporter, starts to make a big fuss, especially with one of the more marketable fighters in “Rampage”, they are likely to lose their credentials.
Or she might fear that other fighters might black ball her.
Or maybe she doesn’t have the backbone to stand up to a loudmouth muscled out fighter..so the best she can do is laugh nervously…
It should not be a womans job to let a 200+ MMA fighter know that she doesn’t like him harassing her. They should just not do it to begin with.
by Fedorable on Jun 4, 2011 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
we don’t even know if Bryant doesn’t care because of her access she has to UFC events. and because it might be revoked.
also it doesn’t matter that she doesn’t care. that behaviour is just contra-productive for changing a bad, biased view on MMA when pushing this sport into the mainstream.
"No man dies for what he knows to be true. Men die for what they want to be true, for what some terror in their hearts tells them is not true."
Please refer
To this interview with Karen, where she says she didn’t care. Hell, her husband was holding the camera.
http://itsfightingstupid.blogspot.com/2011/06/karyn-bryant-reflects-on-infamous-motor.html
Because it makes female reporters look like mere objects, a ridiculous insult to women who have spent decades fighting for equality and the right to be taken seriously. End of story.
by Beau Dure on Jun 2, 2011 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions 19 recs
reporters period are objects...
Objects that report… The best reporters are able to remove all bias and emotion.
Faber, Florian, Diaz, 'Mayhem', Mousasi, Fedor
that is utter horseshit and a complete myth
there is no such thing as true objectivity and reporters who hide behind it are hiding their actual agenda.
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by Nate Wilcox on Jun 2, 2011 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions 8 recs
objectivity exists, it's not a myth...
infact, Rampage did a good job of objectifying that reporter.
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by mma_dude on Jun 2, 2011 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
bullshit
so there is no difference between, say, the BBC world news and Fox?
i see what you’re getting at, of course, but the actual statement you wrote there is just wrong.
“what is truth, said jesting pilate, and did not stay for an answer”
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Not that I expect half of the people here to get it.
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In the Hendricks article it says Rampage hit Steve Cofield in the crotch, why did he do that?
It's just a world, it's just a life.
Why censor cunt, but not fuck?
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Missed that. I honestly didn’t censor anything initially. But we’re trying to move away from the “swears” so i quickly edited fag and cunt.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Jun 2, 2011 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions
The c-word is much worse and vulgar than the word fuck.
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by RagingNoodles on Jun 2, 2011 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Which is fine. And he’s free to use the word “cunt” on his podcast and in his standup as much as he would like. But it’s a different story when Joe Rogan, UFC employee, uses it on a public forum and directs it at a member of the media (MALE OR FEMALE).
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Rogan’s podcast != public forum
standup comedy performed in front of an audience != public forum
internet message board = public forum
got it.
Perhaps a better demarcation is if Rogan represents only himself or someone/something else.
His podcast & comedy are his shows, but this reflects badly on the MMA community as a whole.
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by Scott C. Broussard on Jun 2, 2011 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions
When Joe Rogan says some shit about a member of the media on a public forum as a representative of the UFC, he’s going to get called out on his shit.
When Joe Rogan is doing standup or his podcast as a comedian/entertainer, he can do as he pleases.
Do you not understand the distinction?
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when he's speaking on the UG
about the UFC he might as well be on the mic. It’s a public forum.
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by Nate Wilcox on Jun 2, 2011 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I mean
I’m that 10th guy that thinks this was wrong, but I just don’t really care all that much to express any anger about it. I hate the Skip Bayless I AM SO OUTRAGED AND OFFENDED schtick that I just avoid it whenever possible. Is it wrong? yea. Should ’Page stop being an asshole? yea. Am I gonna get worked up when the offended party shrugs it off? nope.
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Rampage acts the fool sometimes, we all know that.I didn’t think he was THAT out of line.The reporter thought it was funny. Now Joe, he’s gonna say whatever he wants, you think the UFC CAN shut him up? That’s what makes Rogan who he is.He walked away from a major t.v. career because he wouldn’t take crap from the suits.This is MMA, some people are NEVER going to accept it, it may NEVER be politically correct. I don’t know much about that deal with the other guy, i do know he retracted Fag, and called him a Cocksucker. Is that insensitive? Sure. It’s stuff guys say instead of fist-fighting.If Rogan starts censuring himself, he just won’t be Joe, Rampage? He’s had a great career that’s almost over, enjoy him while you can.
Point about Rogan
The hate on Rogan for using the word “cunty” is misplaced entirely. First off, the term is often used to describe both men and woman when they are, in fact, acting cunty. I’ve heard Rogan many times use the same word to describe dudes. Point is, this is not sexist.
On top of that, even if the word was being used simply because she was a woman, there are also insults out there we associate with men. You might call a man a “dick” but you probably wouldn’t use the same word to describe a woman who was acting similarly. Does it make it sexist to call a man a “dick”? No. Just because we use different words to describe men and woman doesn’t necessarily make those words sexist. Sure, it’s not the nicest thing in the world to refer to someone as a “dick” or call them “cunty,” but being mean is not the same as being sexist.
by dropkick101 on Jun 2, 2011 7:24 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
the consistent thread
in Rogan’s behavior is a pattern of intimidating reporters who say things he doesn’t like. The sexism and homophobia are just the tropes he uses in the process.
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I would argue there’s nothing wrong with the guy saying how he feels about reporters, or whoever else. And, in context, he didn’t use the word “fag” against Rios to question his sexual orientation, nor did he use the word “cunty” against Hendricks to put her down as a woman. In context, the word “fag” was synonymous with “pussy” or the like, and the term “cunty” was exactly synonymous with “whiny” or “bitchy.” Words are only as bad as the context they are used in.
by dropkick101 on Jun 2, 2011 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The implied insult is that Rios was "weak and pathetic" - implied by being a "fag" (i.e. homosexual).
Rogan admitted this himself. I doubt he’s an actual gay-basher, but he uses the linguistic baggage of one.
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by Scott C. Broussard on Jun 2, 2011 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Sorry to quibble over semantics.
There’s no difference between “actually being a gay basher” and “just using the language of one.” The language we use is a window to how we think about the world. The fact that Rogan used “f*g” as a synonym for weak and pathetic, given that f*g is well-known in the US as a derogatory towards gay people, gives us some insight into how he really feels about all those “f*gs.”
by gzl5000 on Jun 2, 2011 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
OK
Joe’s prolly not a homophobe, just an occasional asshole.
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If fag meant pussy, which in turn meant weak or a sissy
then he is using a derogatory word for gay men in a derogatory manner. That’s still unacceptable.
BOOSH
he also resorts to the oldest trope of the sexual harrasser
“only the ugly girls are complaining and its because they’re just jealous”
that crap hasn’t been acceptable in the US for 20 years.
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that crap hasn’t been acceptable in the US for 20 years.
that crap hasn’t been acceptable in the US for 20 years.
I like the moral standpoint there as if the US is the benchmark of what is morally and ethically acceptable in the world.
we are dealing with a US based sports property
that has to navigate the absurd, hypocritical US media gauntlet. I honestly personally couldn’t give a single shit about their behavior but I want to see the sport succeed which means following certain guidelines of behavior on the part of its public representatives.
This is about practicality, not morality.
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errr
maybe it’s just you haven’t been in high school for 20 years…
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Thats weak..
Would you ever tell your boss that a co-worker (especially a female) is being cunty? HELL no…
Could you imagine if John Madded went on a website and called Female reporter Suzy Kolber “Cunty”… He would probably lose his job in 5 seconds flat.
So therefore, there is no reason that Rogan should be able to use the word, even if it isn’t in a sexist context
I understand Rogan is vulgar as hell in his comedy routine, but he should be able to censor himself when it comes to MMA, especially when he is one of the most recognizable face’s of the biggest MMA organization in the world.
Yup
He acts like a bully, knowing full well that 9/10 posters are gonna laugh, tell him that he’s awesome and now think they have free reign to call female journalists c***s.
Doesn’t mean that I’m not a fan, but this is just dumb….
by mthom on Jun 2, 2011 8:19 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
i think you mean that it's not Rogan's intent for it to be sexist.
same as the situation with Tommy Rios. he didn’t mean to call him gay, imply he was gay or put gays down. his use of these words is not the textbook definition people usually ascribe to them. same situation, different word.
by Victor Rodriguez on Jun 2, 2011 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions
what does Rogan mean with
but I do think that this woman in question is all kinds of c**ty. The Skywalker broke down everything that’s wrong with her and her shitty, c**ty brand of writing to a fucking T.
"No man dies for what he knows to be true. Men die for what they want to be true, for what some terror in their hearts tells them is not true."
has anyone the link to the UG thread
also thanks for explaning
"No man dies for what he knows to be true. Men die for what they want to be true, for what some terror in their hearts tells them is not true."
argh, didn't see that. thanks
"No man dies for what he knows to be true. Men die for what they want to be true, for what some terror in their hearts tells them is not true."
The Skywalker is on the money..
It’s questionable reporting on Brent’s side to not make mention of it or make a direct link from joe’s quote to the article.
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by mma_dude on Jun 2, 2011 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/mma.cfm?go=forum.posts&forum=1&thread=1823705&page=4
This is a direct link to Skywalker’s post, it is the 2nd one from the top I believe.
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by DirtyML on Jun 2, 2011 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
It took me so long to figure out what "c**ty" was
it was like a puzzle.
The UFC's response to this sort of thing is Limited by what's in a fighters contract
Beyond withholding discretionary bonuses there’s not a lot the UFC can do in terms of discipline otherwise there risking a lawsuit.
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Just embarrassing stuff from Joe Rogan. So embarrassing on a lot of levels. I like him as a commentator but this behavior is making me shake my head.
"Caol Uno was like Mutoh. He developed into a star overseas and then returned to his home country a much bigger deal. Dokonjonosuke Mishima is like Kobashi because they both do moonsaults. Don Frye is like Stan Hansen because they are both fat dumb rednecks with mustaches." - Jonathan Snowden
yes yes. somehow his choice of words reminds me a lot of the f-bomb incident… and when he played the semantics-game a few month later with Bas Rutten on his show with stuff like “I have gay friends” and other highlights like “I love gay people”
"No man dies for what he knows to be true. Men die for what they want to be true, for what some terror in their hearts tells them is not true."
Yeah. One of the cheapest excuses in the book is pulling the “I know [insert person], he’s my friends, how can I be [racist, sexist, homophobic]?” It’s a cheap and worthless tactic. I also hate the excuse of, “I didn’t mean it like that, why are you trying to act like I meant it like that? I meant using that historically racist/homophobic/misogynist term as something else.” Such lame and pathetic excuses.
It’s funny, one of the thing Joe Rogan always shits on is the stereotypical douchebag/meat head being ignorant. He’s a lot closer to that stereotype than he would like to admit.
"Caol Uno was like Mutoh. He developed into a star overseas and then returned to his home country a much bigger deal. Dokonjonosuke Mishima is like Kobashi because they both do moonsaults. Don Frye is like Stan Hansen because they are both fat dumb rednecks with mustaches." - Jonathan Snowden
by RagingNoodles on Jun 2, 2011 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions 9 recs
It’s funny, one of the thing Joe Rogan always shits on is the stereotypical douchebag/meat head being ignorant. He’s a lot closer to that stereotype than he would like to admit.
Yes, that is definitely true, especially when it comes to sexism and homophobia. In general he just seems to think he’s way more laid back and open-minded than he really is.
by Horselover Fat on Jun 2, 2011 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
please stop the hate
In all honesty I find these sort of MMA needs to be taken seriously stories as very trying, and more press on sexism in MMA, and peoples behavior really boring. If Joe Rogan is homophobic, or a bigot, or just insensitive, let him. To think that people peripherally involved with making MMA fights happen represent MMA is far too broad. MMA is a sport, it is represented by the athletes that compete in it. If there are no promotions people will still do MMA because they like to, and I would be there watching. Let people talk, let them tell the world who they are, but don’t connect things that are not related, MMA does not speak, people do. Leave it at that.
How often do you see and hear Rogan on a UFC broadcast? And how often do you see and hear an individual fighter? Rogan is one of the most visible people in MMA.
To think that people peripherally involved with making MMA fights happen represent MMA is far too broad.
I’m going to leave it as this. I’ve talked to people in positions of power in places that COULD cover more MMA but they DO take this kind of stuff into consideration. It’s very easy to say it doesn’t impact the sport. But there are a lot of people who won’t jump in the waters because they know what being tied to this behavior can mean for them.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Jun 2, 2011 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ve talked to people in positions of power in places that COULD cover more MMA but they DO take this kind of stuff into consideration.
Where’s that story?
by John Danaher's Hair on Jun 2, 2011 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions
clerificaton
I’m not saying that it doesn’t impact the sport, just like I’m not saying that I think what Rampage did is cool. but i dont like to tell people how to behave or what to say. within reason. I’d much rather have the honest ugly truth than a pretty lie. although the media seems concerned with things like this, all they are really worried about is protecting their business interests, and i just don’t care about people making money.
Joe Rogan… there hasn’t been much to like about him lately.
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by spectaa on Jun 2, 2011 7:32 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Rampage and Joe are awesome, and motorboating is hilarious, and who the f*ck is Maggie Hendricks anyway?
…Is what I was gonna say.
I like that MMA has an edge. I hate interviews with most athletes where all they do is say the same recycled soundbites because the team/leagues PR reps have them all bound and gagged.
If David Stern walked in the room one day and shouted “you guys are acting too black! You’ll scare the children!” and instituted a dress code and code of conduct and stuff, I’d be considerably less interested in the fighters outside the cage.
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by Peter Nathaniel Fury on Jun 2, 2011 7:39 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Does it really have to be one way or the other, though? Just because some people dislike Joe Rogan acting like an idiot when he’s the colour commentator and arguably the second-most well known non-fighter in MMA doesn’t mean that all colourful characters are henceforth seen as bad for the sport.
Besides, 99% of all pre-fight interviews are recycled soundbites (“I’m gonna knock him out”, “I’m getting my hand raised”, etc.).
by wonderfulspam on Jun 2, 2011 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Why is everybody so obsessed with comparing MMA/UFC to NFL and NBA etc. and whine about how these things don’t happen (or if they do, are harsly punished) in those leauges? Does MMA have to be like all the other sports leagues with the cookie-cutter interviews and media interaction that will follow? Can’t it just be itself in all it’s violent, raw and uncut glory?
by the guy with the big nose on Jun 2, 2011 7:44 PM EDT reply actions
MMA has tons of "cookie-cutter interviews" already.
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by Scott C. Broussard on Jun 2, 2011 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Another funny fact..
“One interesting side note to the story, the cameraman on the initial interview was actually Karyn’s husband, Wade. It’d be interesting to see what most guys would do if their girlfriend or wife were in Bryant’s situation on Saturday night.”
Dunno how he restrained himself and filmed that, I don’t know if I would have been too cool with it personally.
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So Karyn’s husband is always behind the camera when she’s flirting with these fighters? And yeah, she does pretty much flirt with all of them. Must be awkward pretty much all the time for him.
Can we just let his go already ?????
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by MidWayMonster54 on Jun 2, 2011 8:04 PM EDT reply actions 5 recs
Honestly, I could give a shit.
I feel like a bunch of feminists are complaining when I read pieces like this on BE…
/shrug
by wrxdonkey on Jun 2, 2011 8:04 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
I know! How dare we want to respect women!
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by Scott C. Broussard on Jun 2, 2011 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Some of us believe that all people should be treated equally and that there should not be caveats and addendum which alter the treatment based on creed, race, color or gender.
It’s a whacky fucking idea, I know.
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Feminism actually hurt women in a lot of ways...
And is often used as an insult due to the perceived short sighted nature of many of its adherents, leading to not only the lack of true equality between the sexes, but an actual backlash due to these now ingrained inequalities created by the movement. Feminism wasn’t like Women’s Suffrage where it was a tit for tat equality they were looking for, but the retainment of current privileges, along with equality on all other fronts. For example, if something like maternity leave was fought for they would fight for specifically that, instead of also having paternity leave made as well.
Protip: Business don’t dislike women because they are women, they dislike the fact they may end up taking weeks off of work due to a personal choice. If Men also had the ability to take off for the care and acclimation of a newborn, there would be much less discrimination based on the loss of work time as it would be gender neutral barring prolonged medical difficulties.
by Jacob Hayes on Jun 2, 2011 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Protip: Business don’t dislike women because they are women, they dislike the fact they may end up taking weeks off of work due to a personal choice.
I can just see the check box on the job application:
Will your have your uterus removed as consideration for this position?
Don't get hysterical!
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by Scott C. Broussard on Jun 2, 2011 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I'm not sure if we're on the same page.
From wiki:
The history of the notion of hysteria can be traced to ancient times; in ancient Greece it was described in the gynecological treatises of the Hippocratic corpus, which date from the 5th and 4th centuries BCE. Plato’s dialogue Timaeus compares a woman’s uterus to a living creature that wanders throughout a woman’s body, “blocking passages, obstructing breathing, and causing disease.” The concept of a pathological, wandering womb was later viewed as the source of the term hysteria, which stems from the Greek cognate of uterus, hystera (ὑστέρα).
So your thesis is that feminism causes inequality between the sexes. Tell me for example, what did women do about childbirth before maternity leave? Pretty sure businesses didn’t like women leaving jobs to have children even when they didn’t have to pay for maternity leave. So how exactly did feminism cause this great sexual divide?
I can't speak for him, but...
there’s a particular sect of sociologists and psychologists who theorize that women entering the work place has caused deterioration of generations since it began.
Take it for what you will, I could give a damn. My wife works, my mom works, and my sister takes care of the babies. Honestly, for the sake of my nieces and nephews I like her being home. It’s an unfortunate situation all the way around that one parent can’t be there for the household 24/7, and I don’t care if it’s a man or a woman.
Really, without a parent at home, kids get into some wild times.
Feminism exacerbates inequality between the sexes...
You can say the feminism movement was taken over by people that were too militant or whatever, but at the end of the day, the movement became much more about securing whatever they possibly could for women instead of addressing equality at a fundamental level.
Feminism has caused huge issues. There was a time when the “matron” of the house was held in incredibly high regard. She wasn’t out making money working 9 to 5, but she was raising the next generation. Now, that’s not a problem in of itself, the problem was women not having the option to go work out in the world. However, in the process of securing that ability they did so in such an absolutely denigrating and belligerent way they actually tore apart the respect held for people that take that private leadership role. They basically acted like being a stay at home “mom” was worthless for years, and only really rolled this insanity back in the mid 80’s.
Now look at the situation we’re in. Stay at home parents are generally frowned upon by anyone that hasn’t done it, male or female, however males have it even worse as they don’t even have the lingering residual “pity respect” that women get. What I mean by pity respect is that general sentiment of “Oh, you have to say home with the kids. What a shame. I feel for you.” type stuff that is all too common.
Everyone being allowed to work? Great. Everyone being allowed to take care of the children? Great. Anything else? That’s where problems start.
The best way I can put it is you can’t just go one way with things at the point we’re at in society. Things like equal pay for equal work don’t engender a widening divide, because they speak to our inner compass of fairness, it also equally empowers both sexes and any other applicable traits. However, things like paid maternity leave without paid paternity leave widen the divide. Same goes for the family court that system that wildly favors the female parent in all matters.
At a certain point you have to take the tact of a rising tide raises all ships, otherwise someone is going to be upset that they got scuttled.
Holy fuck, really?
There was a time when the "matron" of the house was held in incredibly high regard. She wasn’t out making money working 9 to 5, but she was raising the next generation.
Yes, you’re absolutely right, women should have stayed happy with this and not fought to have a choice in what they could do with their lives. Sure “matrons” don’t get paid or have time to themselves or get to exercise intelligence or talents that they may possess, but they’re raising the next generation! That’s gotta be worth some internal pride, right?
You want paternity leave, fine, I think that’s a great idea too. BUT, I’m thinking that a pay divide between genders and/or races for the same amount of the same work is a little more important than getting paternity leave for white men, who tend to be at the top of that pay gap.
The idea that a rising tide raises all ships is very meritocratist. If you believe the United States is a meritocracy, you’re welcome to do so. I disagree vehemently, and I don’t think this conversation will go anywhere productive.
by gzl5000 on Jun 2, 2011 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
whooosh
Pretty much everything he said went right over your head. He very clearly said woman should be able to work , but should also be resepcted if THEY choose to stay home.
Furthermore, there are some studies now that delve deeper into the pay gap and find that there is not truely a pay gap. Do not have a link, but I know that a professor I had did one of the studies and told us about it.
I'll copy-paste my reply below.
Pretty much everything he said went right over your head. He very clearly said woman should be able to work , but should also be resepcted if THEY choose to stay home.
Your post implies that the “respect” women had as “matrons” was sacred and worthwhile and now things are so much worse because women trashed that. The reality is, there is no public respect for homemakers, never was. How respected was the “matron?” Marital rape wasn’t made a crime in all US states until the 1990s (North Carolina was a holdout, for example).
Should women be able to choose homemaking? Sure! Should men? Also sure! The problem is that your stance seems to be that women did damage to themselves by trying to do anything about it. Those feminists are just so awful for being angry about oppression, why couldn’t they be nicer about it? Yes, some feminists are militant and angry. But this whole “respect for homemakers” argument just does not fly, a homemaking woman in the 1920s was little better than property. I’m not weeping for that loss.
Furthermore, there are some studies now that delve deeper into the pay gap and find that there is not truely a pay gap. Do not have a link, but I know that a professor I had did one of the studies and told us about it.Really. Some professor in some class told you about some research he did this one time. Uh huh.
-http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1983185,00.html
-http://www.census.gov/prod/2010pubs/acsbr09-3.pdf
-http://www.nationalpartnership.org/site/PageServer?pagename=issues_work_epd_map
-http://www.iwpr.org/press-room/archive/on-equal-pay-day-study-finds-women-earn-less-than-men-2013-whether-they-do-the-same-job-or-different-jobs/view
Do let me know when you find some evidence. The US Census Bureau holds that there is indeed still a gender-based (and race-based) pay gap.
by gzl5000 on Jun 2, 2011 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
No
I maybe should not be talking for him, but his point was that in SOME aspects things were made worse. Not that there should not be equality or the feminist movement as a whole was a bad thing. It is not an all or nothing concept.
As far as the study I mentioned, I probably should not have because I did not see the methods behind it just the conclusion, but it was about looking past the surface number at some of the factors, and after factoring in lost time from maternity leave( among other things) the pay divide diminishes to a non significant number… Not to say we have equality yet, just that we might be doing better in some areas than perceived.
Women shouldn't have been forced to be bare foot and pregnant...
And the fact that’s all you got from my post kinda shows me exactly how stuck in your thinking you actually are.
I specifically said they were right for wanting to have a choice, but they were absolutely one hundred percent wrong in denigrating and destroying the private leadership role they had. It did nothing to gain them the access to public roles, and made private roles worth much less, and at the end of the day didn’t accelerate their access appreciably in any way.
In the simplest possible terms, they chose to gain the right to work in the public(outside) world at the expense of everyone male and female that would have chose to work in the private(inside) world, when they didn’t have to do so.
This is the thing.
Your post implies that the “respect” women had as “matrons” was sacred and worthwhile and now things are so much worse because women trashed that. The reality is, there is no public respect for homemakers, never was. How respected was the “matron?” Marital rape wasn’t made a crime in all US states until the 1990s (North Carolina was a holdout, for example).
Should women be able to choose homemaking? Sure! Should men? Also sure! The problem is that your stance seems to be that women did damage to themselves by trying to do anything about it. Those feminists are just so awful for being angry about oppression, why couldn’t they be nicer about it? Yes, some feminists are militant and angry. But this whole “respect for homemakers” argument just does not fly, a homemaking woman in the 1920s was little better than property. I’m not weeping for that loss.
Apples and Oranges.
Or Strawman, take your pick, on the marital rape thing. It speaks to respect for the gender, not respect for the job that gender was primarily employed in. To give an example of the difference look at the nursing profession. It wasn’t used as a sacrificial lamb and is now a lucrative profession for both male and females, despite being a female dominated job before feminism.
You’re excusing feminists for doing dumb things because they were angry? How is that different from excusing a guy like Rampage from doing something dumb because he’s horny?
Or Strawman, take your pick, on the marital rape thing. It speaks to respect for the gender, not respect for the job that gender was primarily employed in. To give an example of the difference look at the nursing profession. It wasn’t used as a sacrificial lamb and is now a lucrative profession for both male and females, despite being a female dominated job before feminism.
Respect for a gender and respect for a job the gender primarily did were pretty much the same thing back then. That was the entire point, that women had almost no choice in occupation.
You’re excusing feminists for doing dumb things because they were angry? How is that different from excusing a guy like Rampage from doing something dumb because he’s horny?I’m saying you’re overstating the damage done by feminists and putting a serious nostalgia filter on the “respect” women used to get back then.
How the hell can anyone act like they know what it was back then.
None of us were there… one things for damned sure, and it’s that 2 parents working = less time with the kids.
I’m not a parent, nor will I ever be at the rate I’m going (and I intend to keep it that way), but I’m not in favor of a system with 2 full time working parents.
There's a thing called writing.
Some people did some writing about how things were like before they are now. It’s called history! Sometimes there’s even cultural analysis in this “history,” or personal stories about how life is for a specific group of people. That’s called “qualitative evidence.” Try reading.
Your solution to sexism is to have women accept having no choice in how they spend their lives because childcare will suffer? Two working parents can successfully share household duties and childcare, it requires compromise from both. Women already tend to make plenty.
Damn it, every time I try to walk away, lol.
Look, some of your points are valid, but everything from you is so black or white, you mention compromise being required for families where both parents work. All the while stating that stay at home is a shit alternative and the stay at home parent has never been respected.
And using oral tradition or even text as if it were an accurate marker of history is a fucking joke. You think if the Nazis won that the history books would paint them as murdering savages?
Just look at US texts discussing how we conquered the savage native American hordes.
I'm seeing things in black and white because I see discrimination?
K.
Oral tradition is actually one of the only ways to counter that “history as written by winners” thing. Feminist writings are indeed one of the few ways to hear about how things were for women back in the day.
They weren't the same thing back then...
Just like they aren’t the same thing now. People respected men more than women as a whole, but that had little to do with the job, as the job held great respect. To prove my point using a terrible bit, people were more apt to choose a wife in consideration with their perceived homemaker abilities than solely based on looks and personality, and this is in a culture infinitely more sexist than the one we currently live in. To say that the respect garnered by a homemaker wasn’t immense flies in the face of reason.
They cause other damage besides just this, but it’s an easy thing to compare and contrast. What damage did the women’s suffrage movement cause? You can gain rights without causing damage in your wake, and usually if you’re going to cause damage it better damn well be worth it either via expediting the outcome, or changing it entirely.
Are you going to follow this with “You know what causes racism? Black civil rights advocates!”
by VirtualBalboa on Jun 3, 2011 8:40 AM EDT up reply actions
gzl5000...
Your response is terrible… can’t believe this is the sum of what you got from it. If you’re willing to divulge, what do you do for a living?
BUT, I’m thinking that a pay divide between genders and/or races for the same amount of the same work is a little more important than getting paternity leave for white men, who tend to be at the top of that pay gap.
“I am disappoint”
/facepalm
Unless he's in porn
That pay discrepancy between genders is pretty universal regardless of profession.
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Ass hats, jesus.
I’m a troglodyte because I think it’s bullshit when you guys whine about Rampage’s behavior being consistent?
I’m not even a fan of Rampage, but these rants on shit like this are pathetic.
Seriously, everyone put on a meat helmet to ride bicycles and when you want to get a woman’s attention, be sure to use your inside voice and say “madam, would you be so kind as to bestow your contact information upon me?”
I’ve got a mother, sister, and wife that I care about, but the way you guys blow this shit out of proportion is ridiculous.
How the fuck does calling someone a cunt immediately = you disrespect an entire fucking gender?
Get the fuck out of here, not every woman thinks of cunt as some mind blowing insult.
Joe Rogan nailed it in one of his stand ups when he said there’s 3 words that were show stoppers and cunt was one of them… in the fucking 80s.
Apparently in 2011 too, sheesh.
Rebecca West:
I myself have never been able to find out precisely what feminism is: I only know that people call me a feminist whenever I express sentiments that differentiate me from a door mat or a prostitute.
by Beau Dure on Jun 2, 2011 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
It's
“I couldn’t care less.”
If you could care less…..
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I spend way too much time on the SB blogs......it's embarrassing.
rule #1 of internet discussion
NEVER say “could care less”, it will derail the discussion Every. Fucking. Time.
If I didn’t know who Maggie Hendricks was I might have a different opinion. But I do know who she is and I have read her “work” before and I couldn’t agree more with Joe Rogan. She IS all kinds of “cunty” or bitchy or whatever term you want to use for a post-modern feminist with an axe to grind.
As much as I like Joe
He should be fired for that.
I am Genuinely going to miss Macho Man Randy Savage. RIP
I’d rather have Rogan callin women cunts than mainsteam MMA. I like how it is now
by AHutch on Jun 2, 2011 8:12 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
They do realize Publicity is directly tied to Publication
Why does this keep happening? C*nty…really?
I am Genuinely going to miss Macho Man Randy Savage. RIP
Kid Nate:
You should make a feature called “This Week in Bans” and post all the people who got banned, why, etc. Then it can serve as a guideline for improper conduct, plus be entertaining.
Hope it posts this time, two fails so far :(
It's just a world, it's just a life.
ah it would be unfair to those who were banned
and would just stir up endless horseshit. We have four simple rules. Follow them people.
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come on, Nate!
throw us a bone! they’ve only gotten funnier!
by Victor Rodriguez on Jun 2, 2011 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I always just see people disappear and then go “Hmm I wonder what they did”
How many people have been banned in total anyways? I’m going to guess 500.
It's just a world, it's just a life.
It's the way of the world...
people have the right to act like boorish douchebags (within the law), others have the right to decry them for it and call for action, the UFC has a right to sit on the wall or have a publicist issue a statement or levy a fine, and still others have the right to choose to sit these discussions out. All must then accept the consequence of their own actions.
So, posters: please stop calling for these articles to cease. If you’re going to defend the rights of the individuals to act as they are, then accept the fact that not everyone will feel as you do. That works both ways….
by John Danaher's Hair on Jun 2, 2011 8:21 PM EDT reply actions 7 recs
Pathetic
Not Rampage’s actions, or Rogan’s thoughts…but this whole faux outrage over the entire situation.
When Rampage gets flirty with these chics, it should be obvious to anyone with two eyes that he’s doing it for the camera and playing a character. So why take him seriously?
Do you think if Rampage was really assaulting that Japanese reporter, that Mirko crocop would have sat across the room and just laughed at it? And hey, if you don’t want to play along with the whole Rampage schtick, maybe you should be smart enough not to tell him you think that him and you would be great in a romantic comedy together when you interview him. If you’re going to say something like that, maybe you should be a little more like Karen Bryant and be willing to have some fun with what is sure to follow that prompt.
Also…who gives a care what Joe Rogan said? He called a spade a spade — you have some stupid reporter making a mountain out of a molehill, trying to stir up trouble. Report on the news, don’t manufacture it, lady.
And personally, I love the fact that people affiliated with the UFC don’t have a short leash wrt what they say when talking to fans, let them speak freely. Everyone in the world talks like that, so why pretend that we dont? This country is too damn sensitive.
In closing…everyone who is on here saying they are standing up for women’s honor and respect…you sound like a bunch of dorks. Good day.
by MMA Nerdery on Jun 2, 2011 8:24 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
When Rampage gets flirty with these chics, it should be obvious to anyone with two eyes that he’s doing it for the camera and playing a character. So why take him seriously?
Playing a character? He’s interacting with a real person. If it was pretend for Rampage, it was only pretend for him. Yes, Karen Bryant may have told the world it was totally fine and no problem. The reported her dry humped for real was not so happy about it. Consider this: ever think that maybe Karen is telling the world what she knows she has to? Otherwise people like you would jump down her throat for being “too sensitive.”
Do you think if Rampage was really assaulting that Japanese reporter, that Mirko crocop would have sat across the room and just laughed at it?You would be real, real surprised how often shit like that happens in real life.
And hey, if you don’t want to play along with the whole Rampage schtick, maybe you should be smart enough not to tell him you think that him and you would be great in a romantic comedy together when you interview him. If you’re going to say something like that, maybe you should be a little more like Karen Bryant and be willing to have some fun with what is sure to follow that prompt.So saying the words “romantic comedy” gives someone else the right to do whatever they want to you without your permission? Duly noted.
And personally, I love the fact that people affiliated with the UFC don’t have a short leash wrt what they say when talking to fans, let them speak freely. Everyone in the world talks like that, so why pretend that we dont? This country is too damn sensitive.Talk about an assumption. Just because you and your friends talk a certain way does not mean everyone does. Speech like yours tells me that this country is not nearly sensitive enough.
by gzl5000 on Jun 2, 2011 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Playing a character? He’s interacting with a real person. If it was pretend for Rampage, it was only pretend for him. Yes, Karen Bryant may have told the world it was totally fine and no problem. The reported her dry humped for real was not so happy about it. Consider this: ever think that maybe Karen is telling the world what she knows she has to? Otherwise people like you would jump down her throat for being "too sensitive."
Yes, playing a character. People play characters in the real world every day (you likely play one when you go to work, I know I do). I am not saying that Rampage or anyone else should be free and clear to do whatever they want at any time under the guise of “playing a part,” and Jackson needs to be mindful not to truly cross anyone’s personal boundries when playing the part of “Rampage.” And as far as I can tell, there’s only one person who is claiming that he crossed her personal boundries.
You would be real, real surprised how often shit like that happens in real life.
I would be very surprised if sexual assaults were committed on camera in front of large crowds with the sexual assault-ee laughing along with it.
So saying the words "romantic comedy" gives someone else the right to do whatever they want to you without your permission? Duly noted.
Can I just ask what response you think that “reporter” intended to provoke when she said to Quinton “Rampage” Jackson: “I have an idea for a romantic comedy, starring me and you, ivolving a ring girl who falls in love with a fighter.”
Talk about an assumption. Just because you and your friends talk a certain way does not mean everyone does. Speech like yours tells me that this country is not nearly sensitive enough.
In you personal life, when amongst friends, you don’t call people motherf**ers or h*mos or things of that nature?
Yes, playing a character. People play characters in the real world every day (you likely play one when you go to work, I know I do). I am not saying that Rampage or anyone else should be free and clear to do whatever they want at any time under the guise of "playing a part," and Jackson needs to be mindful not to truly cross anyone’s personal boundries when playing the part of "Rampage." And as far as I can tell, there’s only one person who is claiming that he crossed her personal boundries.
That “part” he is playing has crossed boundaries before, in similar and inappropriate ways.
I would be very surprised if sexual assaults were committed on camera in front of large crowds with the sexual assault-ee laughing along with it.Apart from the assault-ee laughing about it, you would indeed. Ever heard of the assaults at the Puerto Rican Pride Parade? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZZI2YivXGk
That’s not the only video or article, there’s plenty more to find.
Can I just ask what response you think that "reporter" intended to provoke when she said to Quinton "Rampage" Jackson: "I have an idea for a romantic comedy, starring me and you, ivolving a ring girl who falls in love with a fighter."I’ll tell you what she probably didn’t mean: “Please motorboat me right now, you can touch me if you want.”
In you personal life, when amongst friends, you don’t call people motherf**ers or h*mos or things of that nature?Motherfucker, sure. It’s an insult that’s lost all literal meaning in the United States. H*mos/c*nts/f*gs? No, I do not.
1) I maintain that actual sexual assaults do not occur frequently infront of witnesses who do nothing but stand by and giggle at it.
2) As far as anyone knows, there is only one person who he has crossed the boundaries with. And it was the girl who said “we should be in a romantic comedy together where we fall in love.” And she didn’t say word one until Hendricks got on her high horse.
3)I didn’t mean that they were never committed on camera, but I don’t think it happens with any real frequency. I am not watching that Puerto Rican parade thing but it sounds unfortunate.
4)I didn’t ask what she didn’t mean. I asked what kind of response she expected to provoke from Rampage Jackson when asking that question. What did she expect to have him do? What did she expect him to analyze that comment as?
5)You don’t say h*m* or f*g? You are a true white knight.
by MMA Nerdery on Jun 2, 2011 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
1) I maintain that actual sexual assaults do not occur frequently infront of witnesses who do nothing but stand by and giggle at it.
You really would be surprised. I gave you the evidence I could find, but go to a “Take Back The Night” event on a college campus sometime.
2) As far as anyone knows, there is only one person who he has crossed the boundaries with. And it was the girl who said "we should be in a romantic comedy together where we fall in love." And she didn’t say word one until Hendricks got on her high horse.I find it hard to believe you haven’t seen the dry-humping video. The woman in that one said after that she WAS uncomfortable with it.
4)I didn’t ask what she didn’t mean. I asked what kind of response she expected to provoke from Rampage Jackson when asking that question. What did she expect to have him do? What did she expect him to analyze that comment as?She should be “expecting” him to do what he did? There’s a difference between flirting and motorboating.
5)You don’t say h*m* or f*g? You are a true white knight.Your sarcasm is appreciated. Not wanting to use hateful language does not make me perfect or a white knight.
Apart from the assault-ee laughing about it, you would indeed. Ever heard of the assaults at the Puerto Rican Pride Parade? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZZI2YivXGk
That’s not the only video or article, there’s plenty more to find
Seriously? The fucking video you posted practically glorifies the behavior with the fucking beat dropping every single time the crowd goes back to harassing the friggin’ broads.
Oh wait, can I not say broads to you? I mean “classy ladies of curvaceous stature.”
Get the stick out of your ass. Women don’t need you or BE defending them from this shit.
Furthermore you’re the genius who brought up “white men” earlier, then you post this video of random women being sexually assaulted by a horde of people and not a single “white man” is present.
I’m not sure who your beef is with, but you sure have a lot of it to go around.
After watching the whole video, I’m concerned that you really believe there is no difference between the shit Rampage did, what Joe Rogan said, and the actions taken by the young men in that video.
Seriously? The fucking video you posted practically glorifies the behavior with the fucking beat dropping every single time the crowd goes back to harassing the friggin’ broads.
Perhaps that’s why things like that happen? Did I say “I endorse the person who edited this video?” I assumed you could judge for yourself what was right or wrong about the video.
Get the stick out of your ass. Women don’t need you or BE defending them from this shit.You’re a charmer, you are.
Furthermore you’re the genius who brought up "white men" earlier, then you post this video of random women being sexually assaulted by a horde of people and not a single "white man" is present.White men was in regards to who tends to be at the top of the pay scale. When did I say sexism was limited by race?
After watching the whole video, I’m concerned that you really believe there is no difference between the shit Rampage did, what Joe Rogan said, and the actions taken by the young men in that video.No, they’re not the same. The common thread between all of them is sexism.
I’m not sure who your beef is with, but you sure have a lot of it to go around.Funny you say that, you just seem hell-bent on attempting to rabidly attack everything I post. What’s got you so threatened?
eh, no more an attack than it is a response.
Apologies if you feel like I’m attacking you. I’m inclined to walk away here shortly.
I’m more inquisitive than anything as to what your background is that makes you so adamant about these perceived injustices.
You asked what my profession was before...
I’m a grad student studying to be a counselor, meaning I hear about discrimination a fair amount from my clients. That leads me to be pretty vehement in discussions about it. Apologies if I’ve gotten overly worked up, I tend to sometimes.
No biggie, I think we both did. I don’t think less of you, but your profession certainly makes sense of your feelings. I apologize if you feel like I’ve trivialized them.
It’s legitimate to you, and I’m equally passionate regarding these situations when the situations involve less grey area.
i.e. the parade you posted was revolting and had me incensed.
It's cool dude.
I didn’t feel like you were trivializing me, just disagreeing. Agree to disagree on this one!
Here's the real question
What is this cunty, faggot talk really adding? Let’s say people are still vindictive. Rogan still says Hendricks is a shitty writer and fucking moron. He just stops short of calling her a cunt or Rios a faggot.
What’s missing?
Nothing.
Even if you think Rogan should be free to say these things because the mainstream is too santized and uptight, what’s really added to UFC or MMA with the tolerance of this dogshit? Nothing. It benefits nothing. It seeks only to legitimize boorish, discriminatory behavior.
The truth is if you want to be mean, vindictive or horrible to a person, you can do it without crossing the line. And even if you think that line is arbitrary, people in positions of power don’t. So it’s there, like it or not. You can still be a bully and not get dragged into problems like this.
You have to have positively zero verbal discipline and a total lack of social awareness to understand what language is appropriate for which audiences and in which formats. It’s easy to get your point across and even be a raging asshole without resorting to the bottom of the barrel stuff like this. You have to be desperate to say you can’t communicate without these hugely charged terms.
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by Luke Thomas on Jun 2, 2011 8:31 PM EDT reply actions 28 recs
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I was raised in a family where "cunt" and "mother fucker" were (and still are) terms of endearment.
Since some of you seem to think this translates to a lack of intellect or wit, there’s several doctorates and masters within my immediate family and several more beyond that (not that we’re without our asshats).
The idea that I can’t call someone a “cunt” and someone else shouldn’t call me a “dick” is ridiculous.
“Verbal discipline” is the right word for it, and I’ve never been a fan of policing/censoring myself outside of situations that don’t impact my fiduciary goals.
by wrxdonkey on Jun 2, 2011 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Bingo:
"Verbal discipline" is the right word for it, and I’ve never been a fan of policing/censoring myself outside of situations that don’t impact my fiduciary goals.
The day that this shit has a tangible effect on Rampage’s, Rogan’s and the UFC’s bottom lines will be the day that you see change and/or action. Anyone claiming to “know” exactly what kind of effect this has on their wallets is bullshitting.
Regarding your family’s use of those words as terms of endearment, I have a similar family, but context is everything and Rogan certainly wasn’t using those terms as eskimo kisses.
by John Danaher's Hair on Jun 2, 2011 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions
It goes both ways.
Degrees nor a lack of them dictates intelligence.
Let’s just call it mental capacity. The point is that abrasive language is an exceptionally inaccurate measure of one’s intelligence.
No one's really arguing about intelligence
It’s about acting in a way that shows a complete lack of sense of empathy, maturity or discipline.
Also, any time someone brings up their degree as a sign of their “intelligence”, you know you’ve already conceded your intellectual superiority.
Also, any time someone brings up their degree as a sign of their "intelligence", you know you’ve already conceded your intellectual superiority.
Can I sit on your face while I drool on myself?
Don’t be so “cunty.”
=D
I don't know
But at least it won’t be the first time you drooled yourself.
#BOOM
Did you call Nate a "fag" live on the air?
While drinking and doing your show?
Completely agree. I don’t understand why this is such a hard concept to grasp for people like Joe Rogan and Dana White. You can be all the jerk and asshole you want to people without resorting to derogatory sexual slurs.
by Horselover Fat on Jun 3, 2011 6:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Well
Bryant didn’t care. Rampage didn’t care. The author did though.
Now its not wrong that the author cared, but she wrote her piece under the guise of self-righteousness, which is totally ridiculous in of itself when you consider that no one cared.
Her piece was also written terribly. OF COURSE the internet is going to crucify her. BUT, she got what she wanted, because now everyone’s talking about her piece.
She put herself out there like Bryant did. Her choice. How can she complain?
by Pooki on Jun 2, 2011 8:33 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Porn stars take three cocks in their ass at once. They also think they have great careers. Moms around the country have a right to express that their daughters would be better served going to law school.
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im not sure how that adresses what i said at all, but sure.
However, condemning porn publicly would be rather ridiculous, and if people stepped up to put the lady in her place, than they have every right to speak how they wanted to speak, just like the author.
I’d rather have my kid say cuss-words, than condemn other peoples actions.
I keep hearing "Cutty" when I read c**ty
“You pregnant.”
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by RolloTomasi on Jun 2, 2011 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
but I do think that this woman in question is all kinds of c*nty.
Sounds like a personal attack to me
Different
from a condemnation. He’s expressing his view. The lady is demanding we agree with her.
And he’s not? And you’re not?
She’s saying she’s offended. That’s “c**ty”?
(Actually, if the male equivalent is “cocky,” was Rogan saying she’s overconfident? That would be weird.)
NO
read her article Beau.
She’s arguing that all reporters should stop interviewing Rampage until he drops his schtick.
Im not demanding that everyone agrees with me. Niether is Joe. The lady in question, is. Thats a huge difference.
Riiiiiiight. Because i get thrills when i use the word cunt.
Im leaving my comments on an article written. Just like you. Except!!!!!! and heres the kicker, i actually read everything in question. The Author was ridiculous and spouting her ideology, and thats why everyone got on her case.
well then your reading comprehension must be low, because you state
“She’s saying she’s offended. That’s "c**ty"?” in response to me speaking about her condemning others.
She didnt say she was just offended, she demanded that the world stop tolerating the type of behavior. Which is quite obviously different from her saying she’s offended.
So i apologize if you read the article, judging by your response it just seemed fairly clear that you didn’t.
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by Neil Manich on Jun 2, 2011 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
When a controversial event happens in MMA/UFC involving the media
Joe Rogan giving his opinion is as dangerous as asking Allen Iverson about practice.
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Can we get rid of this double standard?
Seriously. She was called c*nty, where is the uproar every time someone uses the word d*ckish? I can respect almost all of the other “word prohibitions” in regards to things like race/creed/sexuality/et all, but this one just seems like a complete double standard. We aren’t talking about wage standards here, we are talking about profanities that describe someone being an asshole.
Same goes for the whole call to arms in relation to female sports reporters, it only really exists because women’s sports are generally unpopular. Rampage wanted to motorboat a female who he is genetically programmed to want to impregnate. Fantastic. What if he had wanted to motorboat Robert Pauslon from Fight Club? Would that still be a problem, I mean theoretically he wouldn’t be genetically programmed to want to mount him. So then would it be an innocent joke? What if Rampage was attracted to men? Would that flip flop what was a problem and what wasn’t?
This is much ado about nothing. I didn’t agree with the uproar over c*nty being used to describe that guy, but I got the concern. Using a term with female connotations to mean weak etc etc. However, that doesn’t exist here. The reporter was a female. So it we’re calling d*ckish and c*nty the male and female versions of asshole, he chose the right gender.
Context.
When do men get called “dicks?” When they act like jerks, or are overbearing. When do women get called “cunts?” When they’re assertive. One is worse than the other because women are “bitches” when they act like men do.
Same goes for the whole call to arms in relation to female sports reporters, it only really exists because women’s sports are generally unpopular. Rampage wanted to motorboat a female who he is genetically programmed to want to impregnate. Fantastic. What if he had wanted to motorboat Robert Pauslon from Fight Club? Would that still be a problem, I mean theoretically he wouldn’t be genetically programmed to want to mount him. So then would it be an innocent joke? What if Rampage was attracted to men? Would that flip flop what was a problem and what wasn’t?I have absolutely no idea what point you’re trying to make here. Motorboating a stranger and/or a professional trying to do their job is going to be offensive and insulting no matter who is involved. Genetics don’t have a damn thing to do with it. The fact that Rampage, as a highly paid and valuable fighter, is using his power as such to get away with demeaning a lowly online reporter on camera, does.
lol
Your context is some of the non contextual stuff I’ve seen in my life. What’s the difference between being assertive and being overbearing? Nothing except the eyes of the beholder. They are both assholes if the person viewing it thinks they are an asshole, using a non gender neutral profanity shouldn’t be grounds for outrage.
You’re basically proving my overall point with everything else you said. Hundreds of athletes curse and do unprofessional things and no one generally cares at all. Unprofessionalism isn’t what is causing the outrage here. It’s the supposed sexism. Keep something in mind. Diaz is hailed often for his flipping off of an opponent while submitting him, about the most “unprofessional” act ever. Where is the outrage? Doesn’t exist, because a female wasn’t involved, and no “slurs” were used.
Nevermind the Strikeforce brawl... at least that was appalling and on nation tv.
This is an interview none of the mainstream will ever even see.
That's the thing...
You can be upset about Rampage motorboating a female during an interview. I can accept you think that’s a problem. However Rogan calling a female who is an asshole c*nty isn’t sexism. It’s no different that calling a guy d*ckish. I still wouldn’t agree at all, but I’d at least understand the argument if he called her d*ckish, because you could make some roundabout issue of him calling her unfeminine as a slur.
I’m trying not to make this a Rampage being Rampage thing, but what if he had just stared at her chest the whole time? Would that be better or worse? It’s a legitimate question because I’ve seen female reporters stare at the musculature on GSP before, hell I didn’t even mention the whole Sexyama thing, where I’m pretty sure the only reason the reporter didn’t mount him mid interview was there were cameras rolling. There was no outrage about either of these things.
It’s a double standard, I hold everyone to the same thing. I don’t care if a female reporter ogles some fighter, and I don’t care if a fighter wants to ogle some reporter woman. Same goes for a male reporter and like Gina or one of the various good looking female fighters. I also wouldn’t care if Carano went up to like Arial Hewani and pulled a ME WANT SNOO SNOO and made a mocking crotch grab movement. I don’t see it as a problem either way unless the other party felt it was a problem.
rogan
i expected better from you man. first of all when did they start becoming “cage fighters”? didn’t you spend years trying to convince people they are martial artists? now they are “cage fighters” which i guess is supposed to excuse bad behavior? which way do you want it? martial artist or backyard brawler? you can only have one.
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You seem to be unaware of Joe Rogan’s personal crusade against taboo words. He doesn’t believe that there should be words that people aren’t allowed to use at all. — Hold on to your seat because here comes some philosophical shit — It’s your reaction to his use of the word "cunt" is what gives the word power. The power you give, that’s the power which people who mean to inflict harm can use at will. When Joe trivializes the term, puts a "y" at the end and uses it repeatedly for no good reason, what he’s doing is taking that power away. The women who hang out with Joe are EMpowered by his language because they’re desensitized to it – the next time someone uses it to belittle them they’ll be less affected.
In essence, Benny boy, Joe Rogan is a crusader for the rights of blacks, woman, and homosexuals, and you are the bigot.
by Pooki on Jun 2, 2011 9:08 PM EDT reply actions 5 recs
Because language should be devoid of meaning and context should be stripped from everything.
A question for everybody here, since it happens all the time. When the fuck did comedians and entertainment products become more relevant than philosophy, sociology, and linguistics professors, and aren’t you a little fucking ashamed to live in that world?
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by pdl on Jun 2, 2011 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
What are you doing to change it?
Seriously, why am I expected to give a fuck?
For the arts? For bullshit studies?
I do volunteer work, pay taxes, and help my neighbors in excess.
Am I a senseless half wit if I choose to speak crassly in spite of the fact that it makes some people uncomfortable?
Nope
because no one has ever had a choice about what world they are born into. Ever.
Comedians and entertainments products are more relevant because people have greater access to them than Philosophy and sociology professors. How can that even be a serious question? The answer is clearly obvious.
And why can someone take in a philosophical point from a comedian? Its our interpretation of events that matter more than the events themselves.
because no one has ever had a choice about what world they are born into. Ever.
Clearly this means that nothing can be done about the world as it currently is and things will remain as they are now forever and ever. Why change your use of language? “Gay” will always mean “happy” and “thou” will always be the preferred form of address to another person!
Words
only pisses someone off if they let themselves get pissed off.
How i want to change the world is not the way everyone wants the world to be changed. The word is HUMILITY.
So instead of looking outwards and complaining about any given thing, its far more beneficial to look inwards at yourself, and adjust your own perception. Thats how you can, actually, change the world.
Words only pisses someone off if they let themselves get pissed off.
Go to a place where the people in power and/or or the majority of the population do not share your skin tone and/or gender and/or sexual orientation. Tell me how words feel then.
They will feel
exactly how i let them feel. And thats the point.
No, I'm saying you need to actually DO it.
Not just say what you “hope” will happen. The point is, it’s a hell of a lot easier said than done. The point is, you don’t get to tell others what to do with their feelings, or how they should interpret your words. They’re your words, you bear responsibility for them.
You just have to do it. Its simple. Life makes victims of us all. There’s way more important things to get offended at than words.
I'll let you have the last word.
1. Some people are victims more than others. Way more.
2. Words carry meaning. Sometimes they lead to more than words.
1. Those who get called names are much less victims than those with serious problems. Like those watching their children starve to death in front of them. Those are real victims. People who overreact to name-calling have growing up to do.
2. WE ourselves are the people who give those words their meaning. Personal Responsibility. Getting offended at others is putting a band-aid over a wound. We will continue to get hurt unless we focus on ourselves.
I hate pulling this card, as I have here before,
but when a group of white guys jumped me for being “a fucking spic who needs to go back to Mexico* with all the other dirty beaners immigrants” then it’s kinda hard for me to think that language and real problems are not connected in any way.
*I’m not even Mexican
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by pdl on Jun 2, 2011 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well, the problem is obviously you getting jumped. Not them calling you a racial slur.
If you stopped the racial slur, you’d still get jumped.
If you stopped the jumping, then you’d just be getting called a name. Which you should be able to deal with, considering that you’re not even mexican.
I'm breaking my word. I promise I'll stop after this.
There is a real connection between the slurs they used and the violence that happened. It’s not as simple as you make it out. Ignoring that they called him “spic” leaves out why this kind of violence happens. Usually words really are not just words. They’re a window into the world we really live in.
They’re a window into the world we really live in.
Agreed, but the words themselves aren’t the problem. Get rid of the word and nothing changes, instead of spic you get called beaner, or instead of cunty you get called bitchy. The word itself isnt the problem.
My parrain thinks that all Mexicans should go back to Mexico...
…but he looks Mexican himself, so they try speaking Spanish to him all the time. Really funny.
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by Scott C. Broussard on Jun 2, 2011 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions
>_<
I live in a place just like that where I’m the gross minority and in spite of all the foul shit I’ve ever been called, I don’t really give a damn.
I walk it off and let it go because ultimately it is not what defines me or my happiness. I’m responsible for that.
Because you're a tough person :)
I’m similar to you, I have been jumped, experienced racist abuse etc, and I shake off the words, but ultimately, we miss the point if we fail to accept that we are in the minority, and the majority of people find slurs distasteful, painful and perhaps even harmful, so we should strive to avoid them imo.
'No matter what your ideology may be, once you believe you are in the possession of some infallible truth, you become a combatant in a religious war."
When the fuck did comedians and entertainment products become more relevant than philosophy, sociology, and linguistics professors, and aren’t you a little fucking ashamed to live in that world?
That’s bullshit. Credentials from academia do not exempt someone from having the desire to manipulate or from the baser drives of the condition. For every Cornell West and Oliver Sachs and Richard Dawkins (all of whom I’m a huge fan of) there are 2 quacks with a cause trying to hide behind a degree. Comedians, artists, musicians, etc. have views informed by experiences that are no less valid than academicians’ studies.
by John Danaher's Hair on Jun 2, 2011 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions
The idea is that the academic is better trained & more knowledgeable in their chosen field that the avg. person.
This isn’t to say that a PhD is an automatic mark of competency (hell, Michael Behe has one), but it should be a sign that they are more skilled in that given area that the typical person.
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by Scott C. Broussard on Jun 2, 2011 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I like this article:
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by Scott C. Broussard on Jun 2, 2011 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions
This is valid criticism on some level, but wildly misses the point. I've seen 50 people reference comedians and TV shows here for discussing serious topics
and not once has Hannah Arendt, Derrida, Karl Popper, Foucault, Theodor Adorno, Habermas, Debord, Badiou, or Karl Popper been referenced.
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by pdl on Jun 2, 2011 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I've discussed Foucault with Subo & RDL before.
Also name-dropped Wittgenstein & Kuhn, and use Beckett in my sig. I’m probably the most pretentious guy around here.
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by Scott C. Broussard on Jun 2, 2011 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Philosophy went downhill after Mill.
And I don’t just say that because I did way better in ancient philosophy than I did in modern philosophy.
Frankfurt School of Logic disagrees with you,
and the entire situationist movement is awesome. Guy Debord and Baudrillard are kickass. Also, check out Anti-Oedipus by Deleuze and Guattari. One of the most insane things I’ve ever read that was a legitimate intellectual text. From page one:
The mouth of an anorexic wavers between several functions: it’s possessor is uncertain as to whether it is an eating machine, and anal machine, a talking machine, or a breathing machine (asthma attacks).
Take that, Broussard!
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by pdl on Jun 2, 2011 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions
You're into Continental philosophy & phenomenology?
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by Scott C. Broussard on Jun 2, 2011 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions
It started with a major interest in revolutionary studies and sociology
and reading Camus (for the context of a pied noir) after Fanon got me into the french existential stuff, which is obviously a gateway drug to continental philosophy. I’m most into critical theory, existentialism (but not Kierkegaard or Nietzsche and not just because fuck spelling those names), and post structuralism most.
What’s your poison?
If I had to summarize my viewpoint concisely, I’d call myself a Neo-gramscian post-democratic syndicalist. If you’re the BE Pretentiousness champion, I’M COMING FOR MY BELT! CHAMPION 2011!
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by pdl on Jun 2, 2011 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm being seduced by the hardcore scientific, metaphysics-is-useless crowd.
I respect existentialism as an artistic style, but it flounders as a philosophy for me. Philosophy is about facts, about reality, and while phenomenology tries explaining how the world seems (though it uses ridiculously muddled language often), it rarely tells us anything concrete. Hell, Derrida once tried explaining away special relativity as a social construct. WTF?
You can be all those things you list, but until you start applying them here, you’ll never take my belt!
I love Nietzsche, though. Sacred cows make for great hamburgers.
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by Scott C. Broussard on Jun 2, 2011 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Because Derrida is a badass, and Of Grammatology is straight up pimp.
I freakin’ love deconstructive critiques.
I’d like to hear your thoughts on Debord and Baudrillard with the whole society of spectacle, hyperreality, and simulacrum. I’ve found all of it pretty fuckin’ relevant to MMA.
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I'm not that familiar with them, though my closest friend loves Derrida.
I have a slim knowledge of Baudrillard, so my guess is that you’re angling for something regarding how we interpret the events based on the way that the information is related to us (i.e. bias in favor of nono-UFC fighters, accepting that unworthy fighters are worthy of a title shot because of marketing, etc), then these un-truths become the new reality we operate under.
Of course, I could be completely wrong with all that. Please email me if you want to discuss any of this. It’s not like the philosophy dept. at my university is worth a bucket of warm piss.
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by Scott C. Broussard on Jun 2, 2011 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Your email is just gmail.com link.
You’re a mod, use your magic.
Also, people who can’t use your and you’re properly are idiots, because I’m drunk and nailing it.
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by pdl on Jun 3, 2011 1:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Are you wanting me to email you?
Is that the “magic”? I’m apparently less coherent upon waking than you are when drunk.
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by Scott C. Broussard on Jun 3, 2011 9:01 AM EDT up reply actions
I'd say the sweeping away of fuzzy metaphysics for cold lucid logic was an improvement.
I also approve of the scientific bend it’s taking in the English-speaking world.
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by Scott C. Broussard on Jun 2, 2011 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions
You’re stepping on some toes here…
"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito Ortiz on Vitor Belfort at Affliction:DOR
by Rundownloser on Jun 3, 2011 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions
this is an MMA forum...
You expect those names to be on the tongues of the majority? People look for their own truths in ways that are digestible for them, and; in the case of this discussion, if that should come from Lenny Bruce, Andy Kaufman or Gil Scott Heron, I think that it’s just as apt as the names that you mentioned.
by John Danaher's Hair on Jun 2, 2011 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I'll take Gil Scott over South Park.
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by pdl on Jun 2, 2011 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions
well played.
But your tastes do not make others less valid, and that’s what discussions on the internet are for, no?
by John Danaher's Hair on Jun 2, 2011 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions
To be honest
It isn’t even worth the time to try and explain Gramsci’s theory of hegemony and how it pertains to the current patriarchal/racist situations within MMA to some members of our community. They won’t read it and will instead argue that some halfass clip from Carlos Mencia validates their ideas about ‘reverse racism’ and why it is totally fair to call some reporter a c*nt since it is okay to call guys dicks. Simply put, if they already fail to understand institutional imbalances of power, then it is almost not worth the effort to try and get them to get it… either that or they are 17 and I can only pray they meet a decent and patient professor that will explain things slowly and in small words, because I don’t have the time or the patience.
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Irony
Aren’t you kinda demonstrating the attitude of the hegemony which Gramsci so harshly excoriated? Try and break it down for people, if nobody’s interested, explain more and direct them to links. But don’t be arrogant and commit a fallacy of bifurfaction in the process.
'No matter what your ideology may be, once you believe you are in the possession of some infallible truth, you become a combatant in a religious war."
I don't understand why Dawkin's God Delusion book is popular
I thought it sucked
by Austin Martin on Jun 2, 2011 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions
It does. Belligerent & bad philosophy.
His forum users worship him as a deity (how ironic).
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by Scott C. Broussard on Jun 2, 2011 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions
It's better than Christopher fucking Hitchens.
If I ever meet that guy I’m putting his cigarette out on his neck and smashing that glass of shitty scotch in his goddamn eye.
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by pdl on Jun 2, 2011 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Hitch can write, and his social criticisms are great, but he, too, sucks at the philosophical side.
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by Scott C. Broussard on Jun 2, 2011 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions
They’re both better than Sam Harris. In End of Faith, dude spends the vast majority of the book using a scientifically minded perspective to attack concepts of blind faith and belief without reason…and then spends the last part of the book talking about how great Eastern mysticism is based upon his experiences with meditation and the like. I wanted to shoot him out of a cannon.
"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito Ortiz on Vitor Belfort at Affliction:DOR
by Rundownloser on Jun 3, 2011 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions
"Letter to a Christian Nation" was great - short & punchy.
End of Faith was so-so (though I’m a big fan of meditation, I don’t ascribe any spiritual significance to it), and I’ve found the discussion of Moral Landscape more interesting than the book itself. I personally doubt that science can define any normative statements, but I’m hardly wedded to the idea.
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by Scott C. Broussard on Jun 3, 2011 9:04 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m a moral skeptic, bordering on moral nihilism, so he didn’t really grab me with any of that.
E.O. Wilson has a good try in Consiliance [sic] about science, in that case biological evolution, serving as a foundation for morality. It doesn’t work, but it was a decent attempt.
"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito Ortiz on Vitor Belfort at Affliction:DOR
by Rundownloser on Jun 3, 2011 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm not defending the book, because I'm not a huge of it, but...
Belligerent & bad philosophy.
are terms that can be used to describe the view of the institution that he’s working against…
by John Danaher's Hair on Jun 2, 2011 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions
So? That doesn't improve his book any.
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by Scott C. Broussard on Jun 2, 2011 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions
agreed.
But not all of his works are like that, and that was meant to be for mass consumption, so I can see why he went that way.
by John Danaher's Hair on Jun 2, 2011 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Just for the record, I’m an atheist and a huge Dawkins fan; when I first read “The Selfish Gene” it completely changed the way I view the world and I’ve read and enjoyed and learned from lots of his other books.
“The God Delusion” is awful. Almost as intellectually dishonest as the institutions he attacks and simply poorly written and researched. The way he butchers Aquinas is just pitiful and embarrassing, the way he consistently misrepresents religion is reprehensible and his unflagging superiority irritating. He should leave philosophy to those who care about it enough to actually understand how it works. I love and admire the man, but he keeps making a fool out of himself. The only one of the “New Atheists” I’ve read who was actually worth it was Dennet.
agree completely
was so disappointed by “The God Delusion” he completely sets up a straw man for what he thinks religious enquiry is an then burns it down.
Dawkins’ breed of atheism is as faith-based, absolutist and ignorant as any religion.
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If only people’s atheist heroes were folks like Hume. That guy is funny as shit.
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by Rundownloser on Jun 3, 2011 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Baron d'Holbach, bitches.
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by Scott C. Broussard on Jun 3, 2011 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
It's popular...
because it was written for mass consumption. The Ancestor’s Tale, Collected Works and A Devil’s Chaplain are all great. Anyone who takes down the idea of organizaed religion on an evolutionary biological scale is peachy by me.
by John Danaher's Hair on Jun 2, 2011 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions
No.
and aren’t you a little fucking ashamed to live in that world?
I gives nay fuck.
It’s wonderful you should try it.
Learn JiuJitsu, it's fun.
I spend way too much time on the SB blogs......it's embarrassing.
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Every comment section is like a knife fight, and then pdl brings a gun.
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by Rundownloser on Jun 3, 2011 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Anyone who's ever heard Rogan really sitting and shooting the shit knows that he despises racism, sexism, damn near any -ism.
So how does his use of colorful language change any of that?
For all intents and purposes, UFC is synonymous with MMA. It’s a privately held company pulling in a quarter billion dollars or more each year. Why would they give a crap about “going mainstream” or being considered politically correct? The organization is run by a slob who can laugh at his critics as he and his partners make more in a month than most of us will earn in our lifetimes. There are enough meatheads who will shell out for the PPVs and pay for a live ticket that they don’t have to kiss ass the way a sport like Nascar does. Their sponsors could dry up and blow away and it would make only a tiny dent in their profitability.
The fact that lowest common denominators like Rampage and Rogan are involved in the sport doesn’t affect my interest in viewing the product. Until the day someone shows me that the fights are rigged, I’ll still watch. My buying decisions will be dictated solely by the quality of a given event, not the quality of the people who produce it. If the latter meant anything to me, I’d quit buying prescription drugs and gasoline and any of a number of other products made by contemptible bastards who present a civilized public face.
Solution?
Rampage should motorboat a male reporter. Who’s it gonna be?
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Well he already spent six weeks harassing a guy who I can only remember by the name "Tiddies" thanks to the taunting,
and then groped his tits. So I don’t think you’re solving much…
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by pdl on Jun 2, 2011 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hey, that dude had a great rack.
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What's the nomenclature for motorboating the tripod?
Something goggles right?
by Austin Martin on Jun 2, 2011 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Why is there no blame being put on the UG for “publishing” this material then? The forum is just as responsible as the writer. Like FHM when they recently had a similar situation, the onus always falls back on the publication.
http://in.news.yahoo.com/fhm-apologises-androgynous-model-andrej-pejic-femiman-insult-093445082.html
They’re a forum, not a publication. Rogan used his account to post on the forum, they didn’t make the conscious decision to publish it.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Jun 2, 2011 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Rogan
Really needs to learn that you can’t just keep calling out individual writers/reporters every time they grind his gears ever so slightly. You never see this type of attitude in the NFL, NBA, MLB etc. I don’t mind MMA not being completely mainstream, for me its part of the charm. But it sucks when people who aren’t familiar with the sport still walk around with opinions of it that you would have found in the 90’s…..and you have moments like this that makes you wonder how far have we really gotten?
While I don't condone their behavior
I think another part of the issue is that certain forms of media don’t receive the same form of respect as others. No offense to anyone, but nowadays it seems anyone with a microphone and a website is a “journalist” or “reporter” and some of the people within the sport don’t respect the newer forms of media or reporters that don’t have an established understanding of mma or lack some of the support and professionalism of mass traditional media.
In addition, the internet and the ever expanding and invasive forms of propaganda pushed on fighters and those in the sport are bound to push people to say things they shouldn’t or catch them acting as they would outside of their profession. Direct access to media removes the filter and people act like they do at home instead of how everyone expects/requires them to act.
There are incidents similar (granted not the same) to this in other sports where athletes do something out of character caught in the public eye and/or lash out against those who chastise them. If anything this makes MMA more like the mainstream.
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Yes, but
Its still the internet. This form of media doesn’t get the same respect as ESPN or newspaper columns. Not saying that she doesn’t know what she is writing, but the type of writing doesn’t receive the same notoriety. I don’t think Rampage or most athletes know the reporters for Yahoo, but they know all the guys on ESPN and for the big papers and TV shows.
by theBarbarian17 on Jun 2, 2011 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I see. So you need to be a TV personality or work for the major shows on ESPN in a show host format to have your count. Thanks for clearing that up.
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It’s not that online journalists opinions don’t count, it’s just not held as highly or respected as much because it’s new and the lack of a barrier to entry makes it possible for almost anyone to dish out this kind of journalism. I know I’m not alone in thinking this, Joe reiterated it today. The athletes and guys running the show know where their bread is buttered, and most money comes from bigger forms of media and thusly they walk gingerly around them.
by theBarbarian17 on Jun 3, 2011 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Iole and Helwani are probably the biggest exceptions
due to their understanding and legacy within the sport.
Iole and Helwani?
are you kidding me. No disrespect, both guys are excellent reporters, but neither of them is a long-time follower of the sport nor has any particular expertise in it. They have great sources, relationships and reporting skills but that doesn’t make them MMA experts.
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They understand better than traditional reporters and have a legacy of using those great sources and relationships to release big/respected stories/articles. Not saying they are super experts at mma, or even better than all the other online journalists, just that they convey their understanding or the sport and do so frequently and professionally in a way that is usually respected by those in and around the sport.
by theBarbarian17 on Jun 3, 2011 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions
YAY!!!
Let’s play perpetuate the stereotype.
NFL players aren’t dentists. NBA players aren’t dentist’s.
While I’m not beside myself about Rampage’s behavior, if you expect your league to be competing with the big boys, you better raise your standards.
I don't know what's more unfortunate: what Rampage did, Rogan's online rant or the general response from MMA fans.
Actually, I do. It’s the fans. When I guy says that he doesn’t care about this because he doesn’t care if MMA ever goes mainstream, then I’m sad because this person thinks the only reason the kind of behavior Rogan and Rampage exhibited is wrong is because a nameless mass of mostly irrelevant people care about it for some irrational reason. If a fan says he doesn’t care because words don’t matter, then I’m sad because this person has no idea of how the world works. If a fan tries to defend the actions of Rampage and Rogan then I just feel angry.
I am in agreement with the sentiment that this is bad for MMA. The one thing I have to say is that the UFC/MMA is not a sport on the level of the NBA, NFL, NHL, MLB, Nascar, or any other major sport and we need to stop comparing them. Maybe in 10 or 20 years, but at the moment to compare what the UFC does to the NBA isn’t a relevant stance to take.
Now, I'm not sexist
some of my best sexual partners have been women, but I’m just saying wasn’t giving them the right to vote enough for those people?
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by Fake Emcee on Jun 3, 2011 12:17 AM EDT reply actions 4 recs
Yeah well
they’re gonna suffer some more if my DAMN DINNER ain’t on the table on TIME!
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Btw
Although I’m still somewhat a fan on some level, it’s pretty well know at this point just how boorish of a character Rampage can be. Rogan can be just as pigheaded on occasion, but then rather reasonable at other times.
I think it’s fucked, and although I feel no sympathy for Bryant in this instance I do feel bad for others like the Cage Potato girl that got groped and then criticized for complaining about it afterwards. Some people must really have a hard time understanding just how strong the desire to please can be, and the uncertainty that comes along with being presented with unforeseen circumstances on the spot (especially with a individual as intimidating as Rampage). I mean, who was really going to have that girls back? The crew was more than happy to sit back and catch the whole instance on film without offering any objections from their end.
We’re all red-blooded males here but come on guys, there’s clearly a time and a place (like late at night in the bushes outside of their house).
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You know what I hope happens?
I hope Rampage keeps doing this shit. And I hope he pulls it on a female reporter who couldn’t give two fucks and hauls off and blasts him straight in his nutsack. And then releases the video of Page crumpled over in pain so the Internet can laugh at him and it can be forever immortalized. Also, we’ll need a .gif.
Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.
by Geno Mrosko on Jun 3, 2011 1:03 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
"...Page crumpled over in pain so the Internet can laugh at him..."
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by Scott C. Broussard on Jun 3, 2011 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions
This sort of garbage is ridiculous
You would think that professionals would have a higher standard of behavior than a drunk 20 year old. I take that back, even as a drunk 20 year old I can handle myself better than that, as can the majority of my peers, even while heavily intoxicated. Has the thought ever crossed Dana’s mind that maybe if he reigned in his employees a little bit to what is generally considered decent behavior, networks would be more receptive to handing him the keys to their moneymaker for a few hours to show some upstart “sport” that nobody’s ever heard of. Just a suggestion, but usually ESPN doesn’t show many highlights of Bron Bron motorboating courtside reporters. Jussayin.
by CaliforniaCreamPuff on Jun 3, 2011 2:59 AM EDT reply actions
Just Give up with this Sexual Harrassment crap
If Karyn Bryant wasnt insulted by this than what gives you the right to or Maggie Hendrix? Im sick of this stuck up persona alot of writers are covering. If you want to make a true difference in the world try to do so with a different sport or different profession ! Rampage was being himself and yeah he can be offensive to some people just like this crappy article you wrote is. Im offended by your lack of a sense of humour and your negativity turning me towards this negative response. Maybe we can blame it on Rampage or maybe we should blame it on you for this crappy writing job you did. After I watched the interview in question I was left laughing and feeling joy from Quentin’s personality and humor, which is why he chose to say what he did- so he can make people laugh and have fun not for you to be offended or any females. If you dont like it too bad he will not change nor does he need to because he is a cage fighter and what he did was okay. He drawed attention to the sport and himself and if you think he needs to apologize than I think you need to take it easy, relax and dont take things so seriously. This was in good fun and the reporter was having fun too infact I can tell she was smitten by it and was complemented by his remarks. She is attractive and thats the real issue with this , if its an attractive female she does attract attention and occasionally some sexual remarks, but at the end of the day most of them want that kind of attention and only will make a fuss about it if the person is ugly or revolting than it becomes sexual harrassment. my point is this is being blown outta proportion and everyone needs to relax and know when to call it quits and go back to living their life focusing on their problems leaving other peoples feelings to them !
by Mitchell Harrington on Jun 3, 2011 4:23 AM EDT reply actions
This is the mentality we are dealing with here
at the end of the day most of them want that kind of attention and only will make a fuss about it if the person is ugly or revolting than it becomes sexual harrassment.
This quote sums up the problem (as well as prevailing attitudes) in sooooo many ways.
Casual misogyny FTW!!!!!!!!!
Also, I got a warning for “name-calling” – no idea where that was from. I wish mods would quote the offending post so I know not to do it again. :(
Disregard last sentence
I referred to Tim Kennedy using a mean word.
Joe Rogan would so get banned from BE in less than 24 hours.
Rogan just be saying whats on his mind!
Thats what i love bout this sport, the honesty of it all, from dana whites straight up take it or leave it approach to the moment the door of the octagon closes and all a fighter has got is what he has put in! man i couldnt care less what rogan says as long as he isnt being told what to say like the rest of the f**king world!
Where there is only a choice between cowardice and violence, I would advise violence.
~ Mohandas Gandhi
Ugh...
What bother me is not he language that Rogan uses but what he’s actually saying. He’s just pissing on a person’s career through a blanket statement.
Is there no Law against Rogan's dumb comments?!
"No man dies for what he knows to be true. Men die for what they want to be true, for what some terror in their hearts tells them is not true."
please, some native help me out with this
Isn’t c*nty a quite strong word for describing women? first time i see it, but i guess there is a “u” missing, isn’t there?
Rogan is out of mind then, the girl is a little suggestive, specially in a interview i saw of her with mousasi, but that is by far crossing the line…
by Carlos Estrada-Ibars Martínez on Jun 3, 2011 9:52 AM EDT reply actions
yes
Cunt, or how ever you use the word, is very very offensive. Ask most females, and they would say that the word Cunt is 10x’s more offensive then bitch or anything along those lines.
So for Rogan to use it, then just assume its not offensive to women is plain ignorant (Or he knows that not so long ago his boss called another Female Reporter a dumb bitch, so he probably wont get in trouble for a “funny” word like cunty)
My opinion
Regarding the Rampage motorboating incident:
1. It is sexist since:
A) Because Bryant the "motorboated" reporter got this response because she’s an attractive (to me) female reporter and that is unfair. If Rampage was joking or not, and Bryant wasn’t offended, sometimes women don’t know any better (that was a sexist comment by me too) and men regardless, have to honorably protect them (women). Believe me I know since I have done my fair share of treating women badly and what Rampage did was disrespectful to women, plain and simple.
And B) how would Rampage feel if the tables were reversed and I jokingly “motorboated” the mother of his children: Yuki? Rampage would look at me, maybe laugh, then think about it and powerslam me into the ground rite?
2. If it’s comedy or entertainment you’re talking about: Everyone knows that sex and poop/fart jokes are the easiest laziest comedy around (I enjoy them as much as the next guy btw) and Rampage and Rogan have to:
A) Represent the MMA community better.
And B) put some more effort into being funny and entertaining which they are more than capable of doing. BTW Rampage’s numerous ball and crotch shots are funny as hell. HAGO
forgot to add
And I forgot to add:
3. I personally think the majority of Rampage’s interviews are funny as hell, especially compared to the normal MMA fighter interview routine. I saw a few of the oft criticized recent Ariel Helwani interviews and thought those were also pretty amusing. Also regarding Rampage’s "gay" jokes, I insensitively think those are funny and at least Rampage tries to be entertaining.
It saddens me
That shit like this gets 400 replies and news about actually MMA gets bypassed.
I’m not saying this shouldn’t be talked about because i think it should, but in my opinion it gets way too much attention.
Fighter, lover and all around awesome.
by Sebastiaan Tauran on Jun 3, 2011 4:54 PM EDT reply actions
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