Strikeforce: Overeem vs. Werdum Results: Chad Griggs and Brett Rogers Going In Different Directions
This is a guest post by Josh Nason.
While Allistair Overeem, Fabricio Werdum and Josh Barnett were the newsworthy heavyweights coming out of Saturday's Strikeforce event, a man with mutton chops and a man with a mohawk both left impressions on me for different reasons.
Other than the weight class, you couldn't get two more complete opposites than Chad Griggs and Brett Rogers and based on their results Saturday, that includes their careers.
We're past the point of surprise with Griggs, who is 3-0 in Strikeforce and 11-1 overall. He has a story that you hear often, fighting part-time while working full-time. After a run on the regional circuit and over a year off, Griggs was resurrected to lose against Bobby Lashley last August. Lashley was gassed in the first round and submitted after ten minutes, giving the game Griggs the upset win.
Then came 7-1 prospect Gian Villante who had finishes in all of his victories. Griggs took him out in the first round via TKO. Saturday, Griggs got the experienced Valentijn Overeem in a toss-up fight. Luckily, he won the toss as Griggs got Overeem to submit in the first round after punching him in the head a lot.
But while Griggs is jubilant on Father's Day, Brett Rogers has got to be downright sullen. At 8-0, he came over in the EliteXC contract acquisition and Strikeforce booked him the right way early on. He crushed Abongo Humphrey via 2nd round TKO and responded when they gave him Andrei Arlovski, beating him by 1st round TKO. But that's when he took a jump that has caused a bit of a spiral.
In November 2009, Rogers took on Fedor Emelianenko and famously "hung in there" for a round before being dispatched in the 2nd. He got some credibility but it was clear he had a long way to go before being considered at the top level of the sport. Instead of letting him evolve though, Strikeforce gave him a heavyweight title shot against Allistair Overeem which ended quickly and violently.
After a forgettable non-Strikeforce decision win in October, Rogers was overmatched against Barnett in their first round Grand Prix bout. Three losses and all to former/current champions and a promising career now completely stalled. Too much, too soon? Without a doubt.
So what now?
For Griggs, they need to keep pushing on like they have been. Dan Cormier is an intriguing opponent that would make a lot of sense, but there might be concern about Griggs taking out another prospect. Lavar Johnson and Mike Kyle could also make for notable fights, but whatever is next, the Zuffa crews needs to ensure that they don't make the same mistake the previous regime did with Rogers.
For Rogers, he needs to hit the reset button on everything. On the broadcast, Mauro Ranallo discussed how Rogers (11-3) had been considering some type of training camp change and based on his last 18 months, that's probably a good idea. With Sean Shelby now at the matchmaking helm, there's a least a chance something can be salvaged. He needs to expand his skills and get a fight that will rebuild his confidence, win or lose.
Josh Nason (@JoshNason) is a New England-based MMA journalist that contributes to BloodyElbow.com, FIGHT! Magazine and WrestlingObserver.com. He co-hosts the weekly MMA Show on ESPN Radio affiliate WGAMradio.com.
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Good article but...
John Villante?
by DCJon. on Jun 19, 2011 6:24 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
ESPN has an MMA radio show?
iTunes link and I’ll check it out.
Griggs/Rogers, anyone?
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by Derek Suboticki on Jun 19, 2011 6:26 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Fuck no.
A guy that’s 3-0 does not face a guy that’s 1-3.
Cooper! Get two coffins. Wait...better make it three.
by lowellthehammer on Jun 19, 2011 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Look at the three, though.
Fedor, Overeem, Cheaty McCheaterson.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jun 19, 2011 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Doesn't matter.
Guy on a solid win streak doesn’t fight a guy in a slump. Rogers needs a rebound and Griggs needs either a lateral step or a slight step up.
Cooper! Get two coffins. Wait...better make it three.
by lowellthehammer on Jun 19, 2011 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Griggs needs to fight someone who has armour plating on the back of his head.
by Pyrgz Krum on Jun 20, 2011 1:06 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
And giving him
another incredibly talented grappler is not going to help his career
Bob Sapp vs. Rodrigo Nogueira Bob "The Beast" Sapp is 400 pounds, and if 300 pounds of it aren’t pure steroids, then someone has got to be fucking kidding. -SeanBaby
Fail
Somehow read that as Roger Gracie v Rogers.
Bob Sapp vs. Rodrigo Nogueira Bob "The Beast" Sapp is 400 pounds, and if 300 pounds of it aren’t pure steroids, then someone has got to be fucking kidding. -SeanBaby
It might have just be me
but I felt like a lot of Griggs punches were hitting in the back of the head.
You're not the only one. But, hey, so it goes.
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by Unabomberman on Jun 19, 2011 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions
That's how he beat Lashley
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He has legitimate power
So he’s a danger to anyone who stands in front of him and AA isn’t going for any takedowns. Arlovski is still talented but his chin is sketchy at best
Bob Sapp vs. Rodrigo Nogueira Bob "The Beast" Sapp is 400 pounds, and if 300 pounds of it aren’t pure steroids, then someone has got to be fucking kidding. -SeanBaby
his chin is sketchy at best
His chin is made from the broken echos of children crying.
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by AJB on Jun 20, 2011 7:09 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
This makes me sad...
Poor Brett. He was starting to shine, finally, and then got sorely pounded and then choked into reality.
Someone send the guy back to the undercard where he can build some confidence back.
Also: dude, go join either ATT or AKA. Pronto.
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Brett Rogers puzzles me. He inexplicably still has done nothing to improve his take down defense or guard. I mean come on, if you don’t know those basics, you are going to have a really tough time. He is getting schooled on the ground. Clueless is about right. He let Barnett pass his guard to full mount any time he wanted. How can you be that ill informed about ground fighting as a pro fighter? I don’t get it.
Werdum beat Fedor, Dos Santos beat Werdum, Joaquim Ferreira beat Dos Santos. Therefore Ferreira is WAAAAY better than Fedor. Keep MMA math alive!
Rogers a victim of Strikeforce's poor talent deveopment
Rogers is a decent fighter with potential, but he was clearly not ready for the veteran savvy brought by Overeem and Barnett. Conversely, he also didn’t need to be stuck in Challengers purgatory along with Del Rosario, Woodley, Cormier and the gang. Strikeforce’s inability to present a mid-range platform for its best prospects (i.e. a featured opening slot on a main card, or a regular TV show with more of a narrative component) hurt them in a major way and I think we’re seeing that with Rogers.
by Trust Doesn't Rust on Jun 19, 2011 9:10 PM EDT reply actions
It wasn't veteran savvy that allowed Overeem to bet Rogers.
It was pure whoopass. Two hundred cans worth.
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with more experience Rogers would have had a better idea what to do against a more technical kickboxer like Overeem, he would have been prepared for that sweep, would have a better idea how to deal with an opponent of that size, etc. I’m not saying he ever beats Overeem, but with experience and proper development he could at least hang for a little while longer and work a less predictable gameplan.
by Trust Doesn't Rust on Jun 20, 2011 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
So, you’re saying that if Rogers was a better fighter than he actually is, he might have fared better against Overeem? Sure, I agree. But he’s not.
No, I’m saying that if Rogers was a better-developed version of the same fighter he is, he would have fared better against Overeem and especially against Barnett.
by Trust Doesn't Rust on Jun 20, 2011 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
No version of Brett Rogers would have looked any better against Overeem. Unless it was a version of Brett Rogers that smuggled in a tazer in his cornhole. Then that Rogers might have squeaked by on the losing end of a unanimous decision.
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Griggs would look just as bad as Rogers
if Griggs fought Fedor, Overeem and Barnett. Actually I would like to see Rogers face Griggs to see a sloppy HW slugfest.
Go Orange(men)!
goddamn, that would be fun.
guilty, violent fun, but fun nonetheless.
by Victor Rodriguez on Jun 19, 2011 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Na he wouldn’t look just as bad. Those mutton chops are sweet
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Shave match
loser buzzes off their ridiculous hair.
by HeadKickLegSweep on Jun 20, 2011 8:53 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs

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