Navigation: Jump to content areas:


Pro Quality. Fan Perspective.
Login-facebook
Around SBN: Trent Richardson Interviews Fellow Brown Brandon Weeden

Ryan Hall vs Kurt Pellegrino Grapplers Quest Superfight Preview

Ryan Hall (red shirt) competing at ADCC 2009 via ADCCBarcelona.com

This is a guest post by Patrick Tenney, part of the Bloody Elbow Grappling Coverage Team. The 2011 Grapplers Quest US National Championships take place Saturday June 18 starting at 8:00 a.m. at  the Mennen Sports Arena, in Morristown, New Jersey.

This weekend we’ll see giants collide in MMA, but we’ll also be treated to another exciting crossover submission grappling superfight between the freshly retired (from MMA) Kurt "Batman" Pellegrino (Black Belt under Hermes Franca) and Ryan Hall (of 50/Fifty BJJ in Arlington, VA; Black Belt under Felipe Costa).

In essence Ryan Hall is continually getting put up against strong athletes with very good Brazilian Jiu Jitsu backgrounds in their own right and he’s able to shut them down with his natural abilities and technical prowess.  Ryan is an ADCC 2011 invitee and he’s coming fresh off of training for the Mundials; his mind, I’m sure, has switched into no-gi mode in preparation for the ADCC.

Something many people aren’t taking into account in this match is the fact that Ryan took Hermes Franca out at one of the GQ superfights, Hermes is the man who awarded Kurt the rank of black belt in BJJ and in doing so caused the rift between himself and Marcus Aurelio (one of the four black belts present when Hermes himself attained the rank).  Kurt’s got to feel at least a little motivated by getting the shot to take out the grappler who last year beat the man who awarded him his rank.  Kurt himself aside from being a black belt in BJJ is a two time New Jersey state wrestling finalist with 10 wins by submission in MMA under his belt.

Grapplers Quest has been putting on these superfights with increasing frequency, pitting some of the top tier grapplers MMA has to offer against some of the best competitors of the Brazilian Jiu Jitsu competition circuits.  With more and more crossover appeal between the two sports and with even more mixed martial artists realizing the potential advantages of having a diverse and total Jiu Jitsu game added to their arsenal we will no doubt see more of these in the future; especially with current MMA stars like Ben Henderson amongst others competing in major grappling competition.

After the break we'll delve a little bit deeper into some videos of past Hall vs. MMA superfights and get some predictions from some of our regular grappling contributors here at Bloody Elbow.

Star-divide

It seems recently that Ryan Hall has been tearing through the superfights against current and former MMA fighters set up by Grapplers Quest. He’s taken out Hermes Franca:


 

He’s fought off Diego Sanchez and Jorge Britto:


 

He’s beaten Nam Phan and Wilson Reis:


And one for the road, just because everyone loves a good D’Arce choke:


Kurt Pellegrino vs. Marcos Avellan (wrestling intensive!):


 

Some predictions from your friendly neighborhood Bloody Elbow Grappling Coverage Team:

Ben Thapa: Pellegrino is a good black belt. Ryan Hall is an elite black belt. The difference between the two isn't that great in a cage, but when the rules are grappling only and for ten minutes, the gulf widens. One or two mistakes by Kurt and Ryan will have enough of an opening to crack things wide open for his game and strategy. Pellegrino may be able to avoid the submission, like Diego Sanchez did, but I strongly doubt he can avoid being swept at least once or have his back taken. Ideally, Kurt would want to stay out of the 50/50 guard entirely and smother Ryan's game from side control, as Tanquinho Mendes did so nastily in the Worlds this year. Ryan probably cannot match the takedown ability of Pellegrino and will pull guard and hunt the sweep and submissions from the bottom. Pellegrino does have plenty of guts and will assuredly come forwards and engage as much as possible. This will be a fun battle to watch, but I have to give Hall the nod for his competition experience and ability to get leglocks from the bottom.  Ryan Hall.

Josh:  Ryan Hall is a 24x Grapplers Quest Champion and one the world's premiere grapplers.  Kurt Pellegrino is a talented jiu jitsu artist and wrestler but Hall is to much in the match up.  Hall recently defeated Diego Sanchez (another guy with great wrestling and jitsu) on points, but I think he can finish Pellegrino.  He uses that funky
50/50 style that he's perfected to latch on a heel hook.  Ryan Hall by Heel Hook.

Tom Grant:  Kurt Pellegrino is a great fighter and phenomenal grappler, I have nothing but respect for the man. But he is going into Ryan Hall's world at Grappler's Quest. I give Kurt the conditioning and wrestling edge, but Hall has a guard that will make Kurt remember the Diaz "double bird" triangle fondly. Ryan hall by Decision.

Patrick Tenney:  I’m not really objective here at all, it’s pretty well known that I’m a Ryan Hall fan; he’s a NoVA kid like me and a lot of his grappling flow has inspired mine; I’ve seen him train, been to his school, rolled with his students and watched his matches intently; I can tell you straight off that he’s going to avoid the takedown game with Kurt, if Kurt tries to come inside on Ryan he’ll end up in the 50/50 and odds are… he’ll be tapping or getting his back taken/being swept.  Once Ryan is able to establish his favored positions he’ll start hunting for the subs; triangle, heel hook, or an RNC.  The best shot Kurt has in my opinion is to try and dictate the positions better than Ryan can, if Kurt can turn this into a wrestling match and not get forced by the referee to engage in bad positions he may eke out a win, if Kurt is to win by submission the only way I see it going down is if he can get on Ryan’s back and brute in a rear naked choke; everyone needs to keep in mind though that Kurt is absolutely no slouch when it comes to leg locks and he's scored a few wins via Achilles locks and the like; Ryan has to keep that in mind when and if he's going for those leg lock positions.  Ryan Hall by Submission (heel hook).

K.J. Gould:  I'm a big believer in sports specificity when it comes to training as well as competing actively. Pellegrino has been somewhat active in MMA, but Hall has been really active in both straight BJJ competition as well as No Gi submission grappling and at a high level. Pellegrino will put up a spirited effort but I just see Hall being able to work his sweeps and take the back and actually having an easier time of it compared to his bout with Diego Sanchez. Ryan Hall by Decision.

So will we see the young phenom, mma grappling superfight hunter and current Jiu Jitsu competition circuit regular prevail?  Or will we see Batman break the superfight losing streak that his MMA compatriots have racked up in the GQ superfights?

Poll
Ryan Hall or Kurt Pellegrino?
Ryan Hall
110 votes
Kurt Pellegrino
21 votes

131 votes | Poll has closed

Comment 22 comments  |  1 recs  | 

Do you like this story?

Comments

Display:

i think kurt should do himself a favor and retire from grappling as well, he’s gonna get spanked in this match.

by Bigbub on Jun 17, 2011 4:12 PM EDT reply actions  

Fight should be a lot fun

I don’t really see how Hall loses this fight. Although, I thought that Hall had said he was trying to transition to a more Roger Gracie style of play (takedown, pass, mount, choke) but he seems to be continuing with his slick guard play.

"Serious sport is war minus the shooting."
George Orwell

by malkav on Jun 17, 2011 4:19 PM EDT reply actions  

That's Roger Gracie in a gi

No Gi it’s takedown, take the back, choke. And Hall admits while he’s attempting to improve his takedowns he#s got a long way to go before he can take down wrestlers so he won’t neglect his sweeps and back takes to arrive at the same destination – a choke from back control. Plus he’s still modeling himself on Marcelo Garcia as well.

by KJ Gould on Jun 17, 2011 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

he just switched over to Alliance apparently

because he’s been working with Marcelo so much

"Serious sport is war minus the shooting."
George Orwell

by malkav on Jun 17, 2011 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah Hall is becoming a bit of camp jumper

from Irvin to Brasa now to Alliance

not saying it is good or bad, it just appears to be

aka BuckeyedBear34

by T.P. Grant on Jun 17, 2011 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Considering that he’s stayed a long time at each camp, repped them fully and left on good terms from Brasa, I think he’s fine.

When Hall left Irvin, there wasn’t the competition team there is now. Plus Marcelo’s guidance may help him break through a bit more.

InStrength dot com.

by Ben Thapa on Jun 18, 2011 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

like I said its not a bad thing

just a trend that is developing with him

aka BuckeyedBear34

by T.P. Grant on Jun 19, 2011 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

I like watching Kurt compete, but...

I think the best he can hope to do is make it to the buzzer and lose on points. When Hall loses, it’s to the elite guys.

by beeran on Jun 17, 2011 4:31 PM EDT reply actions  

I've rolled with Kurt

He’s really good and people don’t give him credit for it. Also training with Marcelo Garcia and Kenny Florian will definitely help him prepare for this match. I’m not saying he’ll win, but it will be a lot more competitive than people think.

If you want to know what I think go to HeadKickLegend.com

Managing Editor of HeadKickLegend.com

Follow me on twitter @HeadKickLegend

by Matthew Roth on Jun 17, 2011 4:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Holy crap

That Franca match was beautiful to watch.

BOOSH

by Farthammer on Jun 17, 2011 5:22 PM EDT reply actions  

yea and hall was sick that day, i remember skipping part of the expo in boston to watch that matcha nd it was well worth it.

by Bigbub on Jun 17, 2011 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hall said he heard Sanchez’s knee pop during a kneebar attempt in their match.

I don’t know if that was the kind of pop we get when we sit somewhere too long or if Sanchez is slightly injured, but it doesn’t bode well for stubborn UFC fighters with upcoming fights…

InStrength dot com.

by Ben Thapa on Jun 17, 2011 5:48 PM EDT reply actions  

so the crazy man doesnt tap?

I am not surprised.

"Many have the will to win. Few have to will to prepare to win."

" A black belt only covers 2 inches of your ass. The rest is up to you." - Royce Gracie
"Wanderlei eventually got to his feet and stalked Fujita like a Japanese octopus in an all-female prison." - Sean Baby Cracked.com

by the-gentle-way on Jun 17, 2011 5:59 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

My left arm makes a "pop" sound every time someone gets it isolated, regardless of how sloppy or loose the hold is....

another guy I roll with has a knee that pops any time he opens his guard. It’s actually really helpful when I’m rolling with him because it gives that fact away lol

Doesn’t mean that we both shouldn’t get them checked out…. but hearing the pop definitely doesn’t mean we are holding out from tapping for too long…

by Brandon Starr on Jun 17, 2011 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ll go for Hall. Pellegrino isn’t enough like a soldier to win this match

"The men who get on best with women are those that get on best without them" Lee Christmas

by StevenGiles on Jun 17, 2011 6:42 PM EDT reply actions  

@kurtpellegrino – I told @Grapplersquest that I wasn’t going to be doing the super fight sorry guys if no one knew xo

Still a Beer Monster.

http://www.instrength.com

by Tim Burke on Jun 17, 2011 6:49 PM EDT reply actions  

S.O.B.!

this upsets me, lol

aka BuckeyedBear34

by T.P. Grant on Jun 17, 2011 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Damnit!

-The artist formerly known as AboveThisFire

Got the Summer hatin on me cus I'm hotter than the sun. Got the Spring hatin on me cus I ain't never sprung. Winter hatin on me cus I'm colder than ya'll; and I will never I will never I will never Fall. - Lil' Wayne

The bluebirds can sing but the crow's got the soul - William Elliott Whitmore

The mat is my church, the ground is my heaven, Jiu-Jitsu is my religion. And once you hit the ground you're in my world. My world is like the ocean, I’m like a shark and most people don't even know how to swim - Draculino

If I live in a castle and you want to kill me, storming the gates is probably not the best idea. You'd do a lot better hitting me in the head with a brick when I come out for the mail. -Ryan Hall

by Patrick Tenney on Jun 17, 2011 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Comments For This Post Are Closed


User Tools

"I'm working on the intricacies of details of maneuvers that he still doesn't even know the names of." - Frank Mir

FanPosts

Community blog posts and discussion.

Recommended FanPosts

Chilli_pickle_283g_hot_small
Junior Dos Santos' Worst UFC Win is Stefan Struve
Wario_small
BECW3 UFC 146 Recap & Live Post discussion
Wario_small
BECW3 UFC 146 Live Post
Madmen_icon_small
Dan Hardy: The Outlaw (Short documentary film)
Me_2_small
Farewell Frank Mir

Recent FanPosts

Small
The Most Valuable Non-UFC Fighters
Small
USA chants during ufc fights!?!?!?!?!?
220px-johnnycash1969_small
Fighters you aren't sold on ?
Small
Duane Ludwig's chasm...ouch
Rousimar-palhares-picture_small
An Appeal to SBNation
Lebowski_excited_grin_small
Top 5 Potential Replacements for Vitor Belfort Against Wanderlei Silva
Obp_small
Help me get a job

+ New FanPost All FanPosts >

MMA Rankings

USA Today / SB Nation Consensus MMA Rankings