"STOCKTON, MUTHAF*CKA!" : Joe Rogan on GSP fighting Safe, Diaz, Man Crushes, Iron Mike and More
by Shotokanman on Jun 17, 2011 6:51 PM EDT
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I don't know about you guys, but I am excited as f*ck for GSP/Diaz in October. No other fights so far this year, with the exception of Shogun/Bones, have that special golden giddy retardedness that I normally reserve only for pre-2010 BJ and Fedor. I have already ordered my "Don't Be Scared, Homie" T-Shirt (Large), have checked out plane tickets and ghetto fabulous Vegas hotel packages, secured my passport, and have begun to plant hype-seeds deep within the psyche of Brazilian Hotwife. To paraphrase my favorite homosexual former child prodigy physician: "My balls are so wet."
Because I think GSP is going to lose.
That's right, I am a Canadian un-fan of GSP. It's allowed. It's not like I didn't love the guy in the beginning, when people would call him "Rush" without an ironic smirk and derisive laugh. He spun, smashed, and back-flipped his way into my heart, all the way to the Welter-Weight Championship.
"This guy is wearing a karate gi to the cage? Oh, fuck yes." That was me, right up until they caught him cheating in the second BJ Penn fight. I couldn't believe my clean-cut Karate hero would do such a thing. Dana and BJ have since convinced me otherwise.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGyDacXx8YY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlxaJP83oVQ
A boring or safe style I can forgive, but cheating combined with the safety dance was to much for me to bear. I was, and am, a GSP fan no longer, and I cannot wait until someone finally serves this foo his lunch.
That someone is Nick Diaz.
My personal journey with Nick has been quite the polar opposite of my time as a GSP fan, beginning with the pre-fight interviews of Nick's fight with Diego Sanchez. "Who is this chump? How does he deserve these big fights and hype? I BEEN DOIN THIS SON!" was what Nick said, or something along those lines. I was fresh off watching the inaugural season of The Ultimate Fighter, and was recently terrified by the type of ground game Diego and Forrest brought to the table. Being purely a stand-up guy, confident in my one-hitter-quitter Shotokan game, I had no idea what to even suggest to the fools experiencing the Nightmare that is Diego's top control (formally, Diego has since become a Dream of his former self. I kill me). Diego really showed me the importance of knowing what to do if a guy is on top of you, and made me a big fan in the process.
And then here is Nick, talking so much shit with such a perpetual scowl I was sure he was abused at some point in his obviously troubled childhood. We have all dealt with people like this in our lives, the dude who is a little b*tch on the inside but will talk an incessant amount of shit in order to convince the world how f*cking Gangster they are. "Diego will murder this punk with techniques I don't even understand." I opined, smugly to myself (no one else was watching in 2005). Nick proceeded to give Diego the fight of his life, and more than a few people thought he won the fight based off damage and attacking off his back. My uneducated and Diego-partisan brain didn't agree, and in fact I felt justice had been served. I continued to hate on Nick Diaz, firmly in the camp of "He's a fake ass Gansta crushing TOMATO CANS in SF" over the years. I am a big Jason Miller fan, and the Nashville Incident and Nick's conseqent Miller Ducking only added more juice to my Haterade. God, did I hate me some Nick Diaz.
This is right about the time Georges uses grease in his fight with BJ, and then proceeds not to finish anyone for like 5 years straight. I am really beginning to not like GSP.
Then Nick spends the entirety of his next fight standing and banging with one of the most feared strikers in the WW division at the time. The WhiteMare, Akuma Himself- Marius Zaromskis. Keep in mind this dude was coming off three (3!) consecutive 1st round headkick knockouts. I was calling him Mini-Cop, and I wasn't the only one. Nick, quite simply, did not give a f*ck about the cemetary full of heads at Marius' feet. He talked the shit, and slapped Marius around like a little b*tch for 4 or 5 minutes. Once again my partisan brain would not allow me to fully appreciate the glory that is Diaz, mired in the loss of a new age of Right Leg Hospital.
But, deep down, Donny Downs, if you will, I was begining to really like Nick Diaz.
Especially after he tapped Mach in like a minute.
Then he outboxed the professional boxer in KJ Noons, while talking an insane amount of shit. Maybe this isn't a gimmick....
Evangelista Santos, a man who does battle with heinous demons on a nightly basis, and weilder of savage Chute Box Muay Thai, was slapped around and made to feel his leg kicks would be better suited to Tai-Bo and tapped, in under 6 minutes. Also, shit talking. Lots of shit talking.
Paul Daley is, without a doubt the hardest power puncher at 170lbs. Able to knock any man sensless with any of his 8 points of attack, and British. Not "Jolly good Bob's your uncle" type of British, but "Oi av sevro gold teeth and would wuv to FACKING SMASH you mate" type of British. Not a single fuck was given by Diaz that day, and he proceeded to stick his chin out, drop his hands, and say "WHAT BITCH" in the opening seconds of his bout with Mr. Daley. At this point, I am officially in man-love with Nick Diaz, regardless of the outcome of this match.
The outcome is Daley wilting under the pure force of Nick's personality and doing a stanky leg that would make Rashad go "Dayyy-um! That is a fresh stanky leg, I gotta start revising mine!"
I am convinced, this is not an act. Nick Diaz is straight f*ckin gansta, and Al Madrigal and Joe Rogan make this point far more relevently than I ever could. I just made that word up, feel free to use.
I am, now and forever, DOWN WITH DIAZ. Go and google that phrase and tell me the picture you find isn't the greatest f*cking thing you have ever seen in your life. I'll wait, go ahead. You're welcome.
This is not the place for an in-depth breakdown on how the play-by-play is going to go down with Georges. I will however give you an abbreviated form whilst you salivate in anticipation of said Shoto-Breakdown. There will be:
1. Shit Talking.
2. BitchSlapping (On Georges).
3. Man-Love (Greasy).
4. Fuckin' Gogo's.
And deep, donny downs, Joe Rogan feels the same way. Here is what you came in for, thanks for reading my rant, may you realize the realness that is Nick and fall hard in man-love as well. Just don't listen to him speak and you'll be ahight. Skip to 2:14 for the good stuff, but the whole podcast is worth listening to, as it is everyday.
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Fuckin Gogo's
Fuckin gangster warfare.
Learn JiuJitsu, it's fun.
Bill Belichick's NE Pats Playoff record pre "SpyGate" 12-2
Bill Belichick's NE Pats Playoff record post "SpyGate" 2-3
Holy crap
You described me to a tee. I used to despise Diaz for his antics. Post fight brawls, crying about losses, being high as a fucking kite for one of the best fights ever…
but a lot of that behavior hasn’t shown itself in a while, and he is entertaining as fuck.
Diaz via TKO round 2.
/no I am not high
BOOSH
Just seriously, do not listen to him outside of the cage. He will be your favorite fighter in no time.
"It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere."
Best.
Post.
Ever.
It takes great work and thinking to keep from doing work.
by tito (eight and oh) on Jun 17, 2011 8:47 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
Rogan thinking Tyson could even compete with Ali
is insanity. At their respective primes, Ali represents the worst possible stylistic match-up for Mike. Rock solid chin, good power, uses his length well, fleet footed. Mike would get picked apart and buried.
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by lowellthehammer on Jun 17, 2011 8:59 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
I would think a man using BD as his avatar would have more sense.
There isn’t a man on earth, living or dead, Ali or otherwise, that can take a full on power punch from a 20 year old Mike Tyson.
What your saying is there is no way Mike would be able to get inside on Ali even once, and that is poppycock sir.
I am a huge Ali fan, but Tyson before 1990 was a whole ’nother beast dude. Ali would be knocked COLD.
"It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere."
Who the fuck stopped Ali besides Holmes when he was shot to hell?
Nobody. There’s nobody living or dead etc. etc. that can take a full on power punch from Foreman but Ali fucking did it, and Foreman is 100 times the boxer Mike ever was and didn’t suffer the same reach disadvantages Tyson would. Mike may be one of the best three round HWs the world’s ever seen but prime Ali would fold him 100 times out of 100, guaran-fucking-teed.
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by lowellthehammer on Jun 17, 2011 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I disagree.
You seem to be on the “Tyson had a punch and that’s it” crowd, unfortunate.
I don’t know where people get off saying that, Tyson’s technique was impeccable.
"It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere."
by Shotokanman on Jun 17, 2011 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions
You seem to be in the “never watched both of them fight and get caught up in Tyson’s celebrity” crowd. His technique was great, his opponents were not. Many mediocre HWs could look absolutely devastating facing a punching bag.
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by lowellthehammer on Jun 17, 2011 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Dude, it's not about celebrity. I have been going back and forth on this myself for about 20 years now.
And really not the card to play regarding Tyson and Ali. Tyson may be popular but Ali is a fuckin deity.
It’s no secret Tyson crushed some cans, but Ali certainly wasn’t facing world beaters top to bottom in his 60+ fights either.
“I’ve never seen both of them fight?” No need to be a dick. But I have in fact seen both of them fight, a few times at least.
22 Year Old Ali was fucking beautiful, probably the perfect boxer. But 20 Year old Tyson? He was a fucking Freak. Ali was incredibly fast, perceptually speaking, and motor-wise. Tyson was a jacked up 200lb dude that moved like he was 135lbs.
Opponents are one way of gauging a fighter, but you can also look at him just on his own merits.
So I stick to it. The has never been another even close to Tyson in terms of Raw power, speed, aggression, and mobility. And if he got inside on Ali with any success at all, and I think he would (how could he not over 10 rounds?) he could blast Ali onto his ass enough times for a TKO at the very least.
"It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere."
Raw power
There are plenty of fighters that hit harder than Tyson. Shit, fighters that Ali has wins over.
I think Ali’s a bad matchup for Tyson, but wouldn’t count Mike out.
Meh, Louis would beat both of them, in fact, he’d beat Tyson something fierce.
"A champion is someone who gets up when he can't." - Jack Dempsey
by Jack.Barrington on Jun 18, 2011 4:45 AM EDT up reply actions
"Slow old Joe Louis beat me?"
“Joe Louis ain’t ever beat anything but a bunch of bums that stood in front of him.”
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by lowellthehammer on Jun 18, 2011 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Tyson wasnt as good as u thought
i disagree w/u about Tyson. You tell me who Tyson beat that was a great boxer?? Nobody. They gave Tyson fights in which they knew he would knock the fuck out. Yes he was scary and talented, but it only took him so far.
Tyson was scared to face Lennox Lewis and Evander Holyfield. Look what happened to Tyson when he fought the to, fighters, he lost. Who has he beat? Spinks?? Get real. Every fighter Tyson beat he should have beat. Put him in against somebody who is technical and Tyson gets his ass kicked.
Ali fought the best and even though he may have los to the best, he also beat the best. Can u say that bout Tyson? Open ur eyes son
Are you saying that Spinks wasn’t technical?
Tyson beat technicians, that’s not the issue here (IMO anyway).
The issue with comparing him to other all time great heavyweights is that the Spinks fight was his peak and, for a variety of reasons, he went downhill quickly from there. When the peak of your career is at 21 (basically 22) years old, it’s hard to compare you with great fighters who had longer to settle into their physical and technical prime.
I like Tyson, I really do, but it’s impossible to discuss him with most people. He’s either lauded as the best heavyweight ever (which is nonsense) or derided as someone who only beat bums and would fold against any of the top fighters (which is also nonsense).
"A champion is someone who gets up when he can't." - Jack Dempsey
by Jack.Barrington on Jun 18, 2011 6:04 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm not big on my boxing history
But could Tyson hit harder than a prime Foreman?
Bob Sapp vs. Rodrigo Nogueira Bob "The Beast" Sapp is 400 pounds, and if 300 pounds of it aren’t pure steroids, then someone has got to be fucking kidding. -SeanBaby
Maybe, maybe not.
I personally doubt it but it’s not worth arguing about. Ali has faced enough heavy hitters (Liston, Frazier, Foreman, Shavers) that any sort of talk of him being KO’d within a few rounds by ANYONE is ludicrous.
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by lowellthehammer on Jun 18, 2011 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Man, you did not just compare Shavers' power to Mike Fucking Tyson.
You trollin.
Regardless, yes, Foreman had some wrecking balls, bigger mass swung slowly.
Tyson? Fucking Rail Guns dude.
"It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere."
Do you honestly believe that Tyson had more power than Ernie Shavers? I can’t work out whether that’s a lack of knowledge or just delusional.
In terms of power, very, very few men even compare to Ernie Shavers. Tyson isn’t one of them.
"A champion is someone who gets up when he can't." - Jack Dempsey
by Jack.Barrington on Jun 18, 2011 4:49 AM EDT up reply actions
*Earnie
Gah, I always do this and then wonder why his name looks wrong when I read it over.
"A champion is someone who gets up when he can't." - Jack Dempsey
by Jack.Barrington on Jun 18, 2011 4:54 AM EDT up reply actions
He doesn't have a fucking clue what he's talking about.
I think that much is clear.
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by lowellthehammer on Jun 18, 2011 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm allowed to disagree.
I think Tyson hit harder than any man before or since.
Yes, harder than Shavers.
"It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere."
That's not what I said.
I said Mike hits harder, which is true.
"It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere."
I said Mike hits harder, which is true
Can you provide a link to the facts and data that prove it’s true?
www.hottopicwithphil.com
Can you?
Yall acting like your OPINIONS are somehow somehow more valid than mine because you read fucking RING.
I believe it’s true, but no, World, I don’t have a fucking time machine and a portable PSI meter to go and test out my belief, to answer your douchey question with a douchey answer.
"It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere."
Yall acting like your OPINIONS are somehow somehow more valid than mine
Really? Because I’m not the one spouting my opinion as fact which is exactly what you’re doing when you say things like:
I said Mike hits harder, which is true
So pull on your big boy pants and join the rest of us in respectful debate
www.hottopicwithphil.com
Ok, I have been talking about Ernie Terrel this whole time. Fuck ME
OK, let the fucking ass raping commence.
"It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere."
Come on bitches. Free shots on Shoto for the next 10 minutes.
I deserve this one.
"It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere."
Overeem has saved me from humiliation with his mediocre performance.
Great Gameplan though, by both guys. You could tell Werdum had rehersed his little prayer bit before. He actually got Alistair emotional there, he almost changed his scowl.
"It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere."
Oh and by the way
Ring Magazine 100 Greatest Punchers:
1. Joe Louis
2. Sam Langford
3. Jimmy Wilde
4. Archie Moore
5. Sandy Saddler
6. Stanley Ketchell
7. Jack Dempsey
8. Bob Fitzsimmons
9. George Foreman
10. Earnie Shavers
11. Sugar Ray Robinson
12. Ruben Olivares
13. Wilfredo Gomez
14. Rocky Marciano
15. Sonny Liston
16. Mike Tyson
But you’re right, I must be trolling.
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by lowellthehammer on Jun 18, 2011 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Rec’d.
Also…
“Earnie hit me harder than any other fighter, including Mike Tyson. He hit me and I was face down on the canvas hearing saxophonist Jimmy Tillis.” – Larry Holmes
"A champion is someone who gets up when he can't." - Jack Dempsey
by Jack.Barrington on Jun 18, 2011 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
You say I must have just watched "Tyson" to get my opinion
and then fucking regurgitate RING lists at me as your supporting argument? Hilarious.
Yes, I formulate my own opinions based on what I see with my own two eyes, how I hit, have been hit, and and seen other people get hit.
But why bother when I can just go to RING and get them to tell me who is teh best?
"It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere."
Y'know who else is on that list ahead of Tyson?
140 fucking pound Sugar Ray.
Hits harder than Mike Tyson.
But I have no fucking clue what I’m talking about. Ok.
"It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere."
I love how you bring up Robinson when Jimmy Wilde, who was 110lb max, usually less, is third on the list.
It obviously takes weight into consideration, otherwise it would be full of heavyweights.
"A champion is someone who gets up when he can't." - Jack Dempsey
by Jack.Barrington on Jun 18, 2011 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, so it's pound for pound.
The greatest empirical measurement of a fighter’s punching power EVER.
"It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere."
"Earnie hit me harder than any other fighter, including Mike Tyson. He hit me and I was face down on the canvas hearing saxophonist Jimmy Tillis." – Larry Holmes
Just give it up.
"A champion is someone who gets up when he can't." - Jack Dempsey
by Jack.Barrington on Jun 18, 2011 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Yea, you said that one already, but thanks for the repeat.
Just because Shavers connected with Larry harder than Tyson did, does not mean he hit harder in general.
"It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere."
the only way to solve this is to get a time machine
and line you guys up against tyson foreman and shavers after we pick them up in their primes
it’ll be like bill and teds excellent adventure except not retarded
"I have smoked weed with alot of UFC champions" - Joe Rogan
"Você ta fudido. Se vai levar muita porrada, ta ligado?" - Anderson Silva
Without a doubt Tyson hit harder than Foreman.
Maybe maybe not? Come on dude, all you have to do is use your eyes. You talk about me watching some fights…
Foreman could club a guy down real ugly, thats for sure.
But was he BLASTING mofos, making them look like cartoon characters? Folding them in half with body shots and then corking them back upright again with uppercuts? You can plainly see the ill force dealt out by Tyson.
You want to see a good example of Foreman’s power punching, check out his fight with Ron Lyle. They paste each other about 200 times full on. I think either guy would have been finished with a Tyson power combo.
"It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere."
For a bit of perspective, take Joe Frazier, speed him up 2X and make him hit twice as hard.
A regular Smokin’ Joe gave Ali fits pre-Foreman, known to be the worst stylistic matchup Ali ever had, this does not point to a favorable result against a Tyson with Cus in his corner.
"It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere."
Tyson doesn't have half the mental fortitude of Joe Frazier.
That’s what you’re missing. Tyson was a mental midget, and nobody intimidated Ali.
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by lowellthehammer on Jun 17, 2011 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Tyson would break fools before the first bell even rang.
You see how you feel after your dad dies. Not just your dad, but your best friend, your mentor, your coach, and probably one of the only people that was ever nice to you.
I suppose Tyson should have been a mental giant after that? And then have Don muthafuckin King get right up in your ass? Then have your wife and oprah verbally rape you and display your testicles for the nation to behold.
Buster was just fucking on that night, and Mike was (understandably) off.
Mental Midget. Take a look into that man’s eyes, in his prime, as he stares down another man and fucking breaks him. And tell me he is a mental midget. Poppycock.
"It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere."
fuck all y'all
joe louis is the greatest boxer of all time
"I have smoked weed with alot of UFC champions" - Joe Rogan
"Você ta fudido. Se vai levar muita porrada, ta ligado?" - Anderson Silva
Greatest HW boxer maybe.
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by lowellthehammer on Jun 18, 2011 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Him and Ali are 1a and 1b really. I have Louis first, but they’re pretty interchangeable.
"A champion is someone who gets up when he can't." - Jack Dempsey
by Jack.Barrington on Jun 18, 2011 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions
They're both incredible.
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by lowellthehammer on Jun 18, 2011 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah it feels wrong debating it at times, you just have to appreciate both.
"A champion is someone who gets up when he can't." - Jack Dempsey
by Jack.Barrington on Jun 18, 2011 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh I get it now.
You watched the Tyson documentary. That’s where you’re getting all this nonsense from.
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by lowellthehammer on Jun 18, 2011 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions
No I grew up in the 80's and have spent my life watching fights.
Pure nonsense, I know.
"It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere."
I grew up in the 80’s and have spent my life watching fights.
Then why are you the one spouting “pure nonsense”?
There has been plenty of evidence presented to you, including anecdotal evidence from boxers themselves that contradicts your theorey, but you know better right? Cause you grew up in the 80’s and have spent your life watching fights!
www.hottopicwithphil.com
Yea, I form my own opinions.
What fucking evidence? Opinions are not evidence dude. Video is.
I’ll take my own eyes over what Worldisart thinks any day of the week, but thanks for your input.
"It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere."
I'll take the opinion of Larry Holmes
Over your nonsense any day of the week.
www.hottopicwithphil.com
by Worldisart on Jun 18, 2011 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
That's awesome dude.
Someday perhaps you can maybe form your own beliefs on things without someone telling you what’s up.
"It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere."
Sorry
How foolish of me to put together informed opinions based on information from credible sources as opposed to just pulling my ideas out of my ass.
www.hottopicwithphil.com
I can tell by your post count just how often you pull ideas out of your own ass.
You should try it some time, you might enjoy it.
"It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere."
Video is evidence of punching power? And first hand testimony isn't?!?
You’re hilarious. Please tell me of this magical video analysis algorithm contained in your head that can deduce punching power from video.
You have to have some serious narcissistic complex to think that your opinion on Tyson’s punching power holds more weight than Larry Holmes. That’s not merely “forming your own belief”, that Fucking Cheney levels of arrogance.
by paythefighters on Jun 18, 2011 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow.
Thank you sir. When your head is as big as mine, it just makes it look easy.
"It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere."
You do realize the insane logic of using Trevor in that argument.
"It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere."
The Holmes and Berbick losses have as much weight
as Tyson’s losses to Williams and McBride. Which is to say none.
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by lowellthehammer on Jun 18, 2011 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions
I should have clarified my statement, or used a different boxer
How’s this:
Frazier beat Ali. Tyson beat Peter McNeely.
BOOSH
Don't you fucking besmirch Peter Mcneely!
Seriously though, even at 10 yrs old, I knew that guy was a fucking can, and I didn’t even know what a can was.
"It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere."
YoungerVitali Klitschko for sure would beat Tyson because he's better
And probably OlderWladimir would pick “prime” Tyson apart just because of the style matchup.
Tyson’s unreal power has gotten him so overrated historically. “Prime” Tyson got beat by Buster Douglas. Everyone loves to make the myth of Tyson’s prime….he got beat in his prime by Buster Douglas! I don’t care if he says he stopped training or Cus D’Amato dying ruined him or whatever excuse we’d like to make, everyone has problems in their lives that the true great ones overcome—-like say Muhammad Ali being one of the biggest cultural lighting rods in history, getting stripped of his title for politics and not being able to fight for 3 years. Maybe we should talk wistfully about PrimeAli.
Tyson was a mental midget and there is no “what if” to his story, what happened was his own doing. He didn’t overcome, and got waxed every opportunity he got to get “it” back. At best you could say “prime” Tyson was the best knockout threat ever or even scariest fighter, but that is not the same as saying best boxer.
Don’t get me wrong, I love me some Mike Tyson and wish more people would fight like him, but in terms of his actual historical greatness as a boxer, he doesn’t stack nearly as high as people like to myth him into.
Not afraid to nitpick
And that's exactly what I am saying.
Yall are getting your nuts in a twist thinking I’m saying he was the greatest boxer to ever live, when all I’m saying is at that time in his life, if he caught ANYBODY clean, they were sitting the fuck down.
Exactly. He was the biggest KO threat ever, that’s it. Comparing him to Foreman is just not kosher in my mind, totally different animals.
"It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere."
But that’s not all you’re saying. You’re saying that over the course of 12 rounds, it’s impossible to keep a young Tyson from getting inside, and also impossible to avoid getting hit cleanly by him.
by paythefighters on Jun 18, 2011 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Lets go over the list of all these dudes that avoided it.
Yea I’m not seeing any losses before the age of 20.
"It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere."
If Buster Douglas could beat Tyson from the outside,
Our man Cassius would turn his face into hamburger meat.
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by ElliotMatheny on Jun 18, 2011 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I think I am the only person in the world that thinks Buster was just the better fighter that night.
That fight was a virtuoso boxing match, put on by Douglas. I am still impressed to this day everytime I watch that fight.
"It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere."
Well, he was definitely the better man.
And a beautifully executed strategy.
Xtreme Couture- The best never rest! The girl in my av is Kari Sweets (you're welcome).
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by ElliotMatheny on Jun 18, 2011 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Keep on dreaming...
You’ll simply be reminded once more why Strikeforce champs, or fighters from any other organizations for that matter, can’t hold a candle to the UFC guys.
You obviously didn't see my list.
If you would care to elaborate on GSP’s path to victory I would love to hear that shit.
"It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere."
GSP's path to victory?
Come out in a Canadian national wrestling uniform, tell Diaz he is going to take him down, sprint across the cage while yelling “I’M PLAN TO TAKE YOUZ DOWN”, proceed to take Diaz down because Diaz’ wrestling is the worst in the division/GSP’s is the best—-and grind him in guard/half-guard, because a top level fighter in 2011 knows how to defend submissions. In the 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th rounds: repeat.
In fact, I think it would be legitimately funny for GSP to take Diaz down and barely attempt but a few strikes, get stood up 25 times and take Diaz down 26. Diaz’ standing exploits are comically irrelevant because he will not stuff a single takedown. Diaz only “path to victory” is a submission off his back…..which good luck in 2011 against GSP.
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Jun 18, 2011 9:06 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
So 5 rounds of leg kicks and Posturing up then.
You should vote for that one!
"It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere."
Funny how a guy no afraid to fight off his back doesn't waste energy defending takedowns.
But then again, Nick is constantly trying to inflict damage and finish his opponent, not take someone down 26 times to coast to yet another decision.
"It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere."
Well I'm sure GSP isn't planning on that haha
But then again, it’s a lot easier to constantly try to inflict damage when you face a bunch of hand picked, B-level fighters (or 2nd tier lightweight) who also just so happen to match your style in succession. Daley is literally his only impressive win, and again even that is a style matchup for Diaz.
Seriously, you question GSP’s path to victory like it’s gonna be a surprise when he dominates for 5 rounds? The only reason Diaz is in this position is because he’s gotten to cherry pick a long list of fighters who had no interest in trying to take him to the ground—-I’m sure the one fight he fails to show up for a drug test, it is just such a coincidence that it was Hieron (and people get on Jones for ducking Rashad…). You think Diaz is going to pull off the submission, fine, but let’s not act for one second like that’s the most likely outcome. Diaz aggression is fun, but he’s also about to get exposed barring a submission off his back, to which I say again: good luck in 2011 against GSP pulling that off.
I would probably take Maynard or Edgar over Nick Diaz at WW, let alone GSP.
Not afraid to nitpick
Taking the UFC Champ 5 rounds with "Ostrich Style" Muay Thai
doesn’t qualify as “holding a Candle?”
"It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere."
That’s true of WW and LHW, but not the other classes. SF has no depth, but it’s silly to say Melendez, Jacare, and Overeem can’t hold a candle to the UFC guys.
by paythefighters on Jun 18, 2011 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
"Jolly good Bob's your uncle"
Ah, Britain. The home of drive-by insults
Hello Ace
Very well written, props.
I got a good laugh with, "To paraphrase my favorite homosexual former child prodigy physician: “My balls are so wet.”". In addition, I agree 100% with the write up except I would add tonights fight to the top fights list.
You have to say it with a shudder in your voice. Whisper the "So."
"It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere."
I would have rec'd this if you weren't so desperate to tar GSP
Why even bring up the grease? It’s analogous to Diaz doing marijuana before his Gomi fight. Weed ameliorates pain and that could have been an advantage, but the reality is that it had no impact on the fight. More importantly, it takes away from the rest of your article.
And Zaromskis being one of the most feared WW strikers? How about GSP’s next fight at the time, where he was taking on the actual most feared striker in Thiago Alves, who just KO’d two top 10 WWs? A fight where he stood with Alves for half the fight, backed him down, picked him apart, and dropped him for the first time ever?
I’m as pumped for Diaz-GSP as anyone. However, you’re doing this fight an injustice by ignoring GSP’s standup and assuming he’s going to do “5 rounds of leg kicks and posturing”.
by paythefighters on Jun 18, 2011 12:22 PM EDT reply actions 8 recs
I think that this comment
May belong somewhere else; answering a more seious post.
Additionally, I enjoyed the post, it was a good read.
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by Drunken cutman on Jun 18, 2011 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
It just kind of spoiled it for me. The parts about Diaz are indeed a good read, but why put in that other crap?
You want to hype the fight up? The three WWs most like Diaz are Penn, Alves, and Fitch. Penn for his BJJ and boxing, Alves for his stalking style and crisp striking, and Fitch for his cardio, chin, and most importantly, desire to win at all costs. GSP did more damage to those fighters than the rest of their careers combined.
This is going to be an awesome fight…
by paythefighters on Jun 18, 2011 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions
It's only "Crap" if you are obviously a GSP fan.
I was sharing my personal experience with each fighter, the Nick parts were good but the GSP parts were not?
"It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere."
Your title is about Joe Rogan and Diaz’s shit talking.
Your opening paragraph is about being ridiculously stoked for this fight.
First of all, what does greasing have to do with any of that? Secondly, GSP’s cornerman unknowingly rubs a smidgeon of grease on places that Penn never touches and you hate him for cheating, even though it is nowhere near what anyone would deem an “excessive use of grease” banned in the unified rules? Diaz knowingly has weed flowing through his veins increasing his pain tolerance and you turn a blind eye? This is not to say that I think Diaz is cheating in any meaningful way, but how you lay off the double standards?
by paythefighters on Jun 18, 2011 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I didn't realize I was writing a formal essay.
And yes, I hate on Georges a little bit for cheating. Did it effect the fight? Maybe.
But did Georges knowingly cheat? You bet your ass.
"It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere."
If I bet my ass, it would still be mine because GSP did not knowingly cheat. The most dangerous grappler (in terms of making you lose rounds) is Fitch, and he said there was nothing unusual about GSP.
How can you call it cheating when he didn’t even break the rules?
The excessive use of grease or any other foreign substance may not be used on the face or body of an unarmed combatant. The referees or the Commission’s representative in charge shall cause any excessive grease or foreign substance to be removed.
(this wording has since been changed, IIRC)
And stop dodging the question: If you think GSP cheated, why don’t you think Diaz cheated when he fought with an illegal analgesic?
by paythefighters on Jun 18, 2011 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Now you're just being facetious.
A) Never EVER DID I ONE TIME claim Diaz didn’t cheat by blazing. Maybe he was all “Man, after I’m done this Gomi could straight split my fuckin’ wig yo and I won’t give a FUCK. HehehehehHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!” Gilly would be all
“Yea Nick, true dat, ehhhehehehehehh hee hee hee hee-”
“SHUT THE FUCK UP GIL!”
B) Are you fucking kidding me? Here it is real clear:
GSP purposely had Vaseline applied to the areas BJ might try to use for friction when trying to control someone in guard.
Nick was jonsin’ to get baked, so he did, fuck the consequences, I’m Nick fuckin Diaz YO.
GSP was trying some underhanded shit to gain an unforseen advantage, where Nick was just feeding his publicly known marijuana addiction.
I battle with the green monkey myself, his shadow is that of an albatross closing in on you from behind….
"It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere."
A) Yet you don’t care that Diaz did it, while burning GSP at the stake for it.
B) No, vaseline was NOT applied at areas that BJ would use for friction. BJ barely touched any of those areas in his whole video.
Furthermore, no rule was broken. Nobody could call that excessive grease with any honesty. Therefore it was not cheating.
by paythefighters on Jul 11, 2011 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes
Individually they all have those traits,But Nick has all those traits individually. I am a Diaz fan(hence the name) but I really don’t see where George has any advantage in this fight. I mean,honestly Nick trains with Jake and Gil. To think his TDD and wrestling hasn’t improved is pure conjecture at best.Nick has the will,chin ,cardio,stand-up and ground game to win this fight .
"Don't be Scared ,Homie!!!"-Nick Diaz
I never said that Diaz has no chance
I was refuting the tired old lay and pray accusations. These are traits that made Penn, Fitch, and Alves actually try to beat GSP rather than just taste his skillset and then resign to losing by decision (Hardy, Shields, Koscheck). Consequently, we got some very good fights.
GSP gave them a pounding that nobody at his weight class could come remotely close to, despite them being notoriously difficult to hit with any significance.
by paythefighters on Jun 18, 2011 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Well,
I think the greasing definitely had an impact on the fight- it facilitated GSP’s offense from the top. Without the grease I still think BJ would’ve lost, but I don’t think Georges would’ve done nearly as much damage from top position.
Xtreme Couture- The best never rest! The girl in my av is Kari Sweets (you're welcome).
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-Socrates
by ElliotMatheny on Jun 18, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
There's nothing definite about it
Penn barely even touched the parts that Nurse rubbed, and you can even see GSP’s skin bunching up as BJ’s leg is sliding down (which can only happen with decent friction and no significant grease).
There isn’t one thing that Penn tried in the fight or that GSP countered it with which would play out any differently with GSP straight out of the shower.
Just look at the way Penn attempted the rubber guard. He uses the wrong grip! Failure to hold your own leg in rubber guard has nothing to do with grease.
by paythefighters on Jun 18, 2011 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions
GSP postured out of BJ's high guard easier than he would've.
I’m not going to rehash this tired debate, I’m just giving my opinion. My opinion being that Georges wouldn’t have postured so easily and rained down so many shots without the vaseline on his back/ shoulders. He really did slip right through Penn’s legs a few times, there’s video of it.
Xtreme Couture- The best never rest! The girl in my av is Kari Sweets (you're welcome).
"I swear it upon Zeus an outstanding runner cannot be the equal of an average wrestler."
-Socrates
by ElliotMatheny on Jun 19, 2011 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions
gsp gets alot of undeserved hate
in my opinion he has 2 bad fights and 1 where he was just a tad too conservative
the hardy and shields fights were not good performances from him and he coulda finished kos off even though that fight shoulda been stopped
its hard to argue with his performances against bj, fitch, and alves though he was completely dominating in those fights in every aspect
2 bad fights in a dominating title reign isnt that bad if you ask me, anderson has 4 bad performances and hes the greatest of all time
"I have smoked weed with alot of UFC champions" - Joe Rogan
"Você ta fudido. Se vai levar muita porrada, ta ligado?" - Anderson Silva
Not Gsp's biggest fan
but I don’t really get all the hate he gets.I believe you’re correct 2 losses in a long career fighting the best there is…………Is really really impressive.
"Don't be Scared ,Homie!!!"-Nick Diaz
Respect.
Who needs it?
Learn JiuJitsu.
by RolloTomasi on Jun 18, 2011 6:52 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
"GSP is gonna lose"
I can’t count how many times I’ve heard that and see it not come to fruition. You can give up your dreams, it aint gonna happen.
Let the fighters fight, let the referees ref, but dear God, don't let the judges judge.
Just the people who read what I wrote, log, in, scroll down, and post comments.
Just those people.
"It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere."
by Shotokanman on Jun 19, 2011 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
It reeks of ejaculate, I know.
I just can’t stay impartial, no matter how often I remind myself all I want is a good scrap, fuck the names.
“Oh… Oh, there he is. Oh. He’s twitching. HE”S TWITCHING. HE"S TALKING TO HIMSELF OH DEAR GOD YOU ARE IN FUCKING TROUBLE MATT HUGHES!" – BJ, just on his way to the cage.
I love me some BJ.
"It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere."
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