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Strikeforce Fight Card: Looking Back at Josh Barnett's Early Years

Susumu07_medium Josh Barnett fights on American soil at this weekend's Strikeforce: Overeem vs Werdum card for the first time since failing to be licensed to face Fedor Emelianenko at Affliction III in 2009. He'll face Brett Rogers in the opening round of Strikeforce's heavyweight Grand Prix. 

Modern fans may mostly know Barnett as a poster boy for failed drug tests and an utter lack of repentance, but old school fans can remember when he was a rising young gun, carrying the flag of catch wrestling and moving up the heavyweight ranks. 

Jonathan Snowden spoke to Barnett about the win that got him invited to the UFC -- beating former UFC champ Dan Servern at Super Brawl 16 in February 2000:

The "Beast" had been an early UFC standout and was still wreaking havoc on the independent scene all over the world. He had three losses on his record - to Royce Gracie, Ken Shamrock, and Mark Coleman, all cream of the crop athletes. Since his loss to Coleman, he had gone 21-0-3 over the next three years. In short, Dan Severn was still a force to be reckoned with.

"Dan was one of my favorite fighters from the early UFC's. He was a pro wrestler of course and when you rolling German suplex a guy, you tend to leave an impression on people's minds, especially mine," Barnett remembered. "Besides me, Dan is the only person to pull it off in an MMA match. But he did it first. When I had a chance to fight him, he had already beaten Lance Gibson and Doug Murphy, two guys from my gym. So him being an idol wasn't on my mind. The only thing on my mind was to kick the living crap out of him. At the time he hadn't lost in years. And it was my chance to show everybody that I'm one of the best in the world."

In typical Severn fashion, it wasn't pretty. The two men spent most of the first three rounds clinching against the ropes or charging each other like two bull elephants. Severn managed a takedown in each round and was likely ahead on the cards as they entered the fourth and final round. But when the tide turned, it turned quickly.

"He thought he was going to ride it out. But come that fourth round, (trainer) Matt (Hume) slapped the sh*t out of me and it really woke me up," Barnett said. "I just went out there berserk, swinging on him. He tried to lateral drop me and I blocked him. That was the end of the fight."

Barnett trained with Matt Hume in his early days but also trained catch wrestling under the legendary Billy Robinson at the UWF Snake Pit in Japan. Unlike Ken Shamrock and other early MMA fighters who learned catch wrestling in Japan but referred to the style as "shoot fighting" or pancrase, Barnett has always proudly carried the catch wrestling flag. 

His early climb, including winning the eight man Super Brawl heavyweight tournament whose field included future stars like Ricco Rodriguez and Heath Herring as well as fierce competitors like Bobby Hoffman was a thing of beauty. Super Brawl effectively brought the best young heavyweights from the emerging U.S. regional MMA scene into one tournament and Barnett rose above the pack. 

He would go on to win the UFC belt against Randy Couture at UFC 36, only to be stripped of the title after failing a drug test. That was his second drug test failure with the promotion as he also failed a non-binding test the Nevada State Athletic Commission conducted at UFC 34. 

After refusing to abide by the terms of his suspension by the NSAC, Barnett fought in Japan's Pride Fighting Championships for most of the next decade. He returned to the states under the Pride banner and passed the necessary tests both there and for the first two Affliction cards. Then a surprise drug test caught him doping again and the rest is history. 

We'll see if Barnett can put all the controversy behind him Saturday.

In the full entry is a video highlight of Barnett's win over Dan Severn. 

Photo of Josh Barnett vs Bobby Hoffman at UFC 34 via Susumu's Gallery.

SBN coverage of Strikeforce: Overeem vs. Werdum

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The problem for me

is because of his history of PED use, I can’t take a single one of his wins without a huge grain of salt.

1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.

by Chris Barton on Jun 16, 2011 12:11 PM EDT reply actions  

He never used PED's.

Why does everyone point the finger at Josh all the time?

by LumberJack Larry on Jun 16, 2011 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

x

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by Cory Braiterman on Jun 16, 2011 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

I am! Those tests prove nothing.

I have met Josh numerous times, nicest guy in the world.. He says he didn’t juice.
Most juicers look the part, Josh does not.

by LumberJack Larry on Jun 16, 2011 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

The tests

Actually do prove he had PED’s in his system, regardless of how nice he was when you “met” him.

Additionally “juicers look the part” is a total myth.

1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.

by Chris Barton on Jun 16, 2011 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah like Royce Gracie, Tim Sylvia, Hermes Franca, Vinicius Queiroz

Adonises all.

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and so gavest away thy sword:
but when Muspell's sons through the dark forest ride,
thou, unhappy, wilt not have wherewith to fight."
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by VenusBlue on Jun 16, 2011 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don’t forget Kiril “The Russian Superman” Sidelnikov

My name isn't Todd.

by Tedd Welch on Jun 16, 2011 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Horrible example

That guy is at least 13’ tall compared to Tommy A. He’s obviously on something pretty potent.

by Forbidden Psychological Technology on Jun 16, 2011 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Still not sure if serious…

Boys becoming men...Men becoming wolves

by spectaa on Jun 16, 2011 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

nobody is

check out some of his other posts for the last couple days. Very odd stuff

Bob Sapp vs. Rodrigo Nogueira Bob "The Beast" Sapp is 400 pounds, and if 300 pounds of it aren’t pure steroids, then someone has got to be fucking kidding. -SeanBaby

by Chris Hall on Jun 16, 2011 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

reminds me a bit of Sheeple

Bob Sapp vs. Rodrigo Nogueira Bob "The Beast" Sapp is 400 pounds, and if 300 pounds of it aren’t pure steroids, then someone has got to be fucking kidding. -SeanBaby

by Chris Hall on Jun 16, 2011 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's failed 3 tests

It’s pretty obvious at this point he’s been doping for most of (if not all of) his career. He’ll probably always dope as long as he’s competing. Him passing a drug test just means he cycled correctly. That may mean the same thing for a lot of other fighters, but if someone hasn’t gotten caught yet, I can’t just assume they’re doing it because “every fighter is doing it”. Barnett doesn’t leave any questions about it.

I’m hoping Rogers knocks him out. Barnett always passing blame just rubs me the wrong way.

by d.rok on Jun 16, 2011 12:22 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

yeah

i really could care less about the doping — I honestly think most of the banned drugs should be legal and many of the substances they don’t test for (HGH) should be banned.
But not fessing up when you’re busted is just weak.

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by Nate Wilcox on Jun 16, 2011 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I honestly think most of the banned drugs should be legal

Me too, but here is the thing for me; It doesn’t matter what I think, it’s what every athlete agrees to as far as rules to compete in MMA. Just like I don’t agree with knees on the ground being illegal, I still think you need to be DQ’d if you do it because you agreed to those set rules.

He’s a cheater. And like you say, it’s only magnified by the fact he won’t admit it.

1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.

by Chris Barton on Jun 16, 2011 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

So when is it ok to believe the Commissions?

When Machida beat shogun the first fight?. Oh wait, No no, not that time.

When Bisping Dominated Hammill?. Oh wait, nope not that time eaither.

Oh I got it! When Josh Barnett test positive for PED’s? Ding ding, winner winner chicken dinner!

by LumberJack Larry on Jun 16, 2011 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

That second one had nothing to do with an athletic commission.

My name isn't Todd.

by Tedd Welch on Jun 16, 2011 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right you are!

That fight took place in the UK.. But I do believe the UFC brings over judges and refs from different U.S sanctions.

Do you remember who judged the fight? cause I do.

by LumberJack Larry on Jun 16, 2011 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

no and no

The fight took place in Las Vegas and it was a referee who blew the call, not the commish.

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by Nate Wilcox on Jun 16, 2011 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Huh? that fight took place in London. And it went split decison.

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by LumberJack Larry on Jun 16, 2011 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

ah my bad

i was thinking you said Hamill – Jones

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by Nate Wilcox on Jun 16, 2011 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

In fact

all of those things are unrelated.

1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.

by Chris Barton on Jun 16, 2011 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

In fact

they were all handled by the commission.

by LumberJack Larry on Jun 16, 2011 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

So are a number of things

that are unrelated to being tested positive for PED’s.

1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.

by Chris Barton on Jun 16, 2011 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Im just saying,

most fans seem to want to choose when to believe the commish, not that they are related to being tested..

I heard a story awhile ago, and had it verified by Josh himself, a very good reason why the commission has it out for him.. If he admitted it I would believe without a doubt, but his case is very strong.

by LumberJack Larry on Jun 16, 2011 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's easier for Josh

to think people have it out for him, it’s a common theme he has, than just admitting he did wrong. Nobody thinks the commission is infallible, but when you get popped 3 different times and by different commissions and the testing is done by independent labs….

you’re a cheater.

1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.

by Chris Barton on Jun 16, 2011 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Whatever...

I guess im a old fashion American, who believes you’re innocentuntil proveb guilty.

by LumberJack Larry on Jun 16, 2011 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Those positive test...

Results IS being proved guilty.

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by Sergio Hernandez on Jun 16, 2011 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Don't pull that

Judging a fight has always been and will always be a subjective matter.

We state innocent until proven guilty and we back it up by identifying criteria which defines “proven guilty.” In this case, the criteria is a NON-SUBJECTIVE lab procedure designed to identify the presence of compounds which have been deemed illegal. The procedures are designed to err on the side of caution, and numerous safeguards are in place to mitigate the chance of false positives. The odds of a false positive occurring so many times for the same person is negligible. He HAS been proven guilty, but you can’t see that because you’ve confused patriotism with anarchy and conspiracy paranoia.

You’re a troll and this is the last I will address you on this matter. Go to school.

by Shaun32887 on Jun 16, 2011 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ok, that was kind of harsh. I don’t take back my content, but I take back my tone.

by Shaun32887 on Jun 16, 2011 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

2 different commish's

2 x in Nevada
1x in California

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by Nate Wilcox on Jun 16, 2011 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, we will have to agree to disagree.

We’re all grown men, right? No need to argue. I certainly rather guys like you in a debate.. Most people have been calling me troll and are unwilling to conversate with me when we have different opinions. You guys have been cool!

by LumberJack Larry on Jun 16, 2011 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

We’re all grown men, right?

It’s up for debate.

1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.

by Chris Barton on Jun 16, 2011 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't tell me your name is Christina or something. My moms name is Christine, but everyone calls her Chris.

Sorry, I probably should have put ‘grown adults’ or something different.. It’s just that most of my friends that watch UFC are male. It kind of just came off that way.. In no way, shape or form am i sexist. I apologize if I offended any of the female fans out there..

by LumberJack Larry on Jun 16, 2011 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Alright, that one...

Was pretty good.

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by Sergio Hernandez on Jun 16, 2011 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you look him up under the Bloody Elbow staff section (about a third of the way down on the main page, Kid Nate is the first name listed), you will see that it is Christopher Barton. Fair warning.

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by The American Ronin on Jun 16, 2011 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Josh Barnett's PED use

is not a matter of opinion. It’s a matter of fact.

He’s used PEDs.

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by Worldisart on Jun 16, 2011 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Those things aren't correlated at all

You’re going to compare subjective, opinion-based poor judging with objective factual information? What do you mean by “believe” the athletic commission? It’s not Inquirer magazine. Josh Barnett failed 3 drug tests with Boldenone, Fluoxymesterone and Nandrolone metabolite in his system. That’s a fact.

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by Genki Sudo's Choreographer on Jun 16, 2011 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Anabolic steroids are banned by the US government

You won’t ever see them sanctioned by states for fights. MLB tried to say they weren’t banned by MLB so they’re not illegal. But they’re banned by the Feds, and Federal law overrules state/league sporting rules. The most you can hope for (if you’re for anabolic steroids) is with states like Texas where they just don’t test. If the UFC or MMA ever gets big enough, tough, that will be mandated to change.

I’m against them. I want to see these guys fight to the best of their natural ability. I don’t need to see them damage their bodies even more than they already do to be entertained. Plus, not EVERY fighter is doping. Some don’t need to. Some don’t want to. It’s not fair (cheating) when a fighter juices, regardless on your stance if they should be allowed to.

by d.rok on Jun 16, 2011 1:10 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

lots of things are banned by the US Govt

and yet zoloft and adderol are handed out like candy in our schools.
there was never a convincing medical case made to ban steroids. there may be one, but it wasn’t made.

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by Nate Wilcox on Jun 16, 2011 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I gave my opinion on if fighters should use them, but I never made an argument on their harmful effects or if they should be banned. That’s not my call as I don’t make policy. I have very very little say on anything our government does.

by d.rok on Jun 16, 2011 1:26 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Indeed.

I am free because I choose to be so-Me

by Kefka on Jun 16, 2011 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

AAS are NOT banned by the US Govt.

Neither is Oxycontin or Xanax. You just need a doctor’s prescription for them.

American Doctors have been prescribing Anabolics for 70 years to save lives. In 1990 they were classified as a controlled substance. Still totally legal. You just need a permission slip.

by Schwizzles on Jun 16, 2011 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Good catch

Thanks for clarifying.

by d.rok on Jun 16, 2011 1:57 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Anabolic steroids are not “banned by the US government” but their use does require a doctor’s prescription based on “legitimate medical need”. Properly used and monitored they are relatively harmless, particularly when compared to the side effects of many other prescription and OTC drugs.

Having said all of that, while I have no issue whatsoever with someone like Dana or Rogan using them, if you have agreed to compete by the rules then by definition you are cheating if you use them without a TUEC, and the fact that probably upwards of 70% of professional fighters and NFL players have used some form of PEDs at some point in their career doesn’t change that.

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by The American Ronin on Jun 16, 2011 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Going by his physique...

…I’m not sure fudge counts as a PED.

by Butter Chicken on Jun 16, 2011 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

let's try to focus on his career and fighting style here

does anyone remember his early run in the US?
anyone?

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by Nate Wilcox on Jun 16, 2011 12:24 PM EDT reply actions  

Of course I remember!

I have been following Josh’s career for a loong time now.

by LumberJack Larry on Jun 16, 2011 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wasn't 12.

I think I was around 15 when I first started watching MMA, and Josh was one of the first guys I saw. Id have to do the math, but im pretty sure i was 14 or 15.

by LumberJack Larry on Jun 16, 2011 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

You're telling me! I had to go to summer school in grade 9 because I just couldn't get it right.

Finally after dedicating my whole summer to school, tutor’s and self help books, I nailed it! Looking back on things, I don’t even know how I did so poorly. Now, math is one of my strong suites.

by LumberJack Larry on Jun 16, 2011 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hope you are trolling.

It's just a world, it's just a life.

by DirtyML on Jun 16, 2011 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Some of your comments come off as illogical and nonsensical like for example, saying something like Barnett is innocent until proven guilty about PED use when he has indeed been caught using PEDs. It makes it comes across that you are simply trying to get a reaction from others instead of trying to have serious conversations, and that makes it seem like you are trolling.

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by chrisbboy82 on Jun 16, 2011 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

In cases like this, I just recall Hanlon's Razor
Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.

"I want to tell me what you see, let's go ahead and see by in the fight, what you saw, in the ring." - Tito Ortiz

by CasualMMAFan on Jun 16, 2011 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Apparently my ex girlfriend's mother was the exception.

I think she was one of those people in Dante’s Inferno that was so evil that her soul was already in Hell and her body was possessed by a demon until her body died.

by Shaun32887 on Jun 16, 2011 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Everyone has been watching MMA since 1993. At least all internet MMA fans. That’s why those early PPV’s drew such astronomical numbers.

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by ElliotMatheny on Jun 16, 2011 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I saw Ultimate Ultimate on Blockbuster VHS in 1996

I’d be interested in seeing what rental activity shows for fan interest during the early/ Blackout years.

by Forbidden Psychological Technology on Jun 16, 2011 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's how...

I got started.

I was at least six months behind on everything. FCF and the ’dog got me through the Dark Ages. By the time I was living on my own, paying my own cable bill, I was ordering PPVs.

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by Sergio Hernandez on Jun 16, 2011 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'll admit that i stopped watching from about 1999-2006

Then I watched Sylvia vs. AA 3 and I was right back in the saddle.

I remember somebody in college (around 2003) talking about some Japanese guy beating all the Gracies. I told that guy he was full of shit.

So for those of you who were wondering, yes, I’ve always been this stupid.

by Forbidden Psychological Technology on Jun 16, 2011 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Side effect of your forbidden technology perhaps?

"Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid." -John Wayne
Death before dishonor, drinks before lunch.
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by The American Ronin on Jun 16, 2011 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was so relieved when they were finally able to diagnose it.

For the longest time I was convinced it was run-of-mill catastrophic brain trauma.

by Forbidden Psychological Technology on Jun 16, 2011 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, my interest...

Definitely waned from UFC 23-29 but when Tanner — an all-time favorite of time — got the shot at 30, I started really following it again.

Still hurts to think about the slam. :’(

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by Sergio Hernandez on Jun 16, 2011 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sylvia/ Arlovski 3 got you BACK INTO THE SPORT...!?

You are a committed fan bro. If that had been my first fight I probably never would’ve watched it again. Luckily I was introduced properly via Fedor, BJ Penn, Gomi, Hughes, and Liddell highlight reels.

Xtreme Couture- The best never rest! The girl in my av is Kari Sweets (you're welcome).

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by ElliotMatheny on Jun 16, 2011 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

It was intended as humor, but it did happen and very nearly was the end of my re-interest

Watching that main event was agonizing. That card did, however, answer the age-old question “Just how much blood can leak from the head of a thug-jitsu practitioner?”

Answer: a fuck ton.

by Forbidden Psychological Technology on Jun 16, 2011 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gotcha,

wasn’t sure if serious.

Noone ever told me how horrible that fight was, at least not before I decided to watch the trio of fights. Epic first 2 fights… how did it all go wrong?

Xtreme Couture- The best never rest! The girl in my av is Kari Sweets (you're welcome).

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by ElliotMatheny on Jun 16, 2011 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Buddy, we're talking Tim Sylvia here.

We both know there was only was way it could go – the way of awkward suck.

by Forbidden Psychological Technology on Jun 16, 2011 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I loved his first fights against Arlovski, Nogueira, and Fedor!

To be fair, Tim was a badass earlier in his career.

Xtreme Couture- The best never rest! The girl in my av is Kari Sweets (you're welcome).

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by ElliotMatheny on Jun 16, 2011 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

You make a strong case

But because I’m a stubborn prick, I elect to ignore it.

by Forbidden Psychological Technology on Jun 16, 2011 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Seems Tim is like Guida

Only entertaining when he’s losing.

"With gold thou boughtest Gýmir's daughter,
and so gavest away thy sword:
but when Muspell's sons through the dark forest ride,
thou, unhappy, wilt not have wherewith to fight."
~ Lokasenna

by VenusBlue on Jun 17, 2011 6:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Or on the gear.

Xtreme Couture- The best never rest! The girl in my av is Kari Sweets (you're welcome).

"I swear it upon Zeus an outstanding runner cannot be the equal of an average wrestler."
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by ElliotMatheny on Jun 18, 2011 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Everyone has been watching MMA since 1993. At least all internet MMA fans.

Some similar quotes from the BE comments section:

“I have been a fan since before it was called MMA…”
“I have been a fan since (or before) UFC 1…”
“It’s easy to forget when you have every PRIDE and UFC event ever on your hard drive” (an actual direct quote).

Not that it isn’t possible that there are some people for whom all of these quotes are true, but… Of course, with their vast knowledge of all things MMA, these very same guys pronounce vale tudo as “vail” (like the ski resort)…

It is kind of like how it used to be where everyone who was between 5 – 75 in the late ’60’s claimed they were actually at Woodstock…

I’m sure I will think of some other even better quotes/claims y’all have heard made by people trying to show just how hardcore they are…?

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by The American Ronin on Jun 16, 2011 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not trying to brag.....

But I’m a recognized 9th degree Grand Master in SAFTA.

Just sayin’.

by Forbidden Psychological Technology on Jun 16, 2011 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

9th degree Grand Master?!?

Of which one:

Scientifically Applied Force Training of America?

Scientific Aggressive Fighting Technology of America?

Socialists Aggro Fight Training Association?

South Australian French Teachers Association?

"Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid." -John Wayne
Death before dishonor, drinks before lunch.
Never send sheep to kill a wolf.

by The American Ronin on Jun 16, 2011 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Scrumptious Agricultural Farming Tactics Assosciation IMO

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by ElliotMatheny on Jun 16, 2011 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Super Amazing Fudge Taster’s Alliance?

Statistically Average Future Tyrannical Abbott?

Sour Apple Fencing & Tarantula Aggregate?

by Victor Rodriguez on Jun 16, 2011 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

In 7th grade Science class, I ended...

Up talking to this other kid about MMA.

Back then, the easiest way to describe was, “It’s like wrestling but they really fight.”

He asked me if I had seen “the one where the dude gets his head pressed against the cage and it broke and it fucking stabbed him in the brain.”

Because apparently, “that motherfucker died.”

I told him I must have had missed that one.

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by Sergio Hernandez on Jun 16, 2011 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm still convinced Tank Abbott murdered the guy who collapsed like a Slinky

Nothing you say will change my mind. I saw death that day while eating my piping-hot taquitos.

by Forbidden Psychological Technology on Jun 16, 2011 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

That is still one of the...

Nastiest KOs I’ve ever seen.

Just seeing his body contorted like that was mind bottling.

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by Sergio Hernandez on Jun 16, 2011 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

There should be a gif of this.

by Sqwibbs on Jun 16, 2011 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know!

Wouldn’t that be great if there was an animated gif of Tank’s KO over Steve Nelmark?

I wonder what would happen if I typed “Tank Abbott vs. Steve Nelmark gif” into google?

Xtreme Couture- The best never rest! The girl in my av is Kari Sweets (you're welcome).

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by ElliotMatheny on Jun 16, 2011 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

By jove!

There is one! Cheese and crackers!

Xtreme Couture- The best never rest! The girl in my av is Kari Sweets (you're welcome).

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by ElliotMatheny on Jun 16, 2011 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

goddamn, son!

the KO was bad enough – the pseudo-Thai dump was just insulting.

by Victor Rodriguez on Jun 16, 2011 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

In ol' timey grizzled prospector voice:

“That’s some fine snark you got, boy. Damn fine.”

/hocks chaw into rusted spittoon

by Forbidden Psychological Technology on Jun 16, 2011 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sure

It was great, but again I have an * next to every achievement. I just can’t force myself to believe he was clean so I don’t find his career accomplishments to be worth much merit.

Which totally freaking blows because his fighting style is fun and unique. I’d really like to see much, MUCH, more Catch in MMA.

1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.

by Chris Barton on Jun 16, 2011 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ve actually missed out on that. Other than Severn here, do you have any suggestions? I’ve seen his fights with Nog in PRIDE, those were amazing, but his UFC run is sort of a blank for me.

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by Tedd Welch on Jun 16, 2011 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

all of his UFC fights are must sees

Especially the Couture, Rizzo and Hoffman fights. Seeing him steamroll Semmy Schilt is fun too. And i always enjoy watching Gan McGee take a beating.
The SuperBrawl 13 tournament actually makes for pretty slow watching these days. It was in a ring and they didn’t break up clinches so it’s a lot a lot a lot of clinching up against the ropes interrupted by occasional bouts of violence.

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by Nate Wilcox on Jun 16, 2011 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Josh vs Rizzo 1

Is such a fun fight.

1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.

by Chris Barton on Jun 16, 2011 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

For sure. I lost...

My shit when Rizzo knocked him out.

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by Sergio Hernandez on Jun 16, 2011 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

You mean when...

Rizzo was a nearly a decade removed from his prime?

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by Sergio Hernandez on Jun 16, 2011 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nearly a decade?

You have your numbers confused. Rizzo wasn’t in his prime, but neither was Josh. Rizzo still had it going.

by LumberJack Larry on Jun 16, 2011 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dude, Rizzo was...

The man in the early 2000s. They rematched in the late 2000s.

Not rocket science.

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by Sergio Hernandez on Jun 16, 2011 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's worth it

to watch his entire PRIDE run. I thought he fought pretty dirty against Nastula. Also, watch his earliest fights you can get a hold of. He is fun to watch work.

1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.

by Chris Barton on Jun 16, 2011 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

definitely watch his pride run

and be permanently embittered that he lost to cro cop on 2 flukes.

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by Nate Wilcox on Jun 16, 2011 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cro Cop

has anti-catch magic.

1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.

by Chris Barton on Jun 16, 2011 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I don't see how...

Anyone comes back from the war with Nog to beat Cro Cop.

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by Sergio Hernandez on Jun 16, 2011 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I still can't believe he beat Nog

That has to be the best thing Josh ever did in MMA.

1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.

by Chris Barton on Jun 16, 2011 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

That fight could...

Have gone either way. I just rewatched it and it’s razor close.

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by Sergio Hernandez on Jun 16, 2011 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yea

I thought Nog won, but you can’t really argue since it really was that close. Regardless, huge accomplishment for Josh.

1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.

by Chris Barton on Jun 16, 2011 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

He would have took Mirko out

If only he didn’t suffer that eye injury. I wouldn’t want to get punted by Cro Cop either..It’s a shame really, he was robbed of two avenged losses and a 2006 Grand Prix trophy all in one night..

At least he got that win over Nog!

by LumberJack Larry on Jun 16, 2011 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

What was the 2nd fluke?

I know he had an eye injury, but I remember CroCop taking it to him before that happened.

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by KingLeopardSeal on Jun 16, 2011 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

the first fluke actually

in the first fight Barnett injured his shoulder taking Cro Cop down and had to stop.

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by Nate Wilcox on Jun 16, 2011 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ah Ok

Yeah that did suck, kind of the same thing with Shogun/Coleman. Although Josh was the aggressor so it’s even worse. I thought you were saying Mirko didn’t deserve the 3rd win.

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by KingLeopardSeal on Jun 16, 2011 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

no

but i consider him 1-0 in their series with the first 2 being NC’s

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by Nate Wilcox on Jun 16, 2011 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fair enough

I’d still count it as 2-0 with the UD and tapout in the same way that I still think of Jones as having a win over Matt.

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by KingLeopardSeal on Jun 16, 2011 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pawel Natsula is the worst case of getting thrown to the wolves I’ve ever sen in MMA. PRIDE had it out for that dude.

Thanks for the hints, everyone! I know how I’m spending my days off this week :)

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by Tedd Welch on Jun 16, 2011 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

True that

I was really disappointed with what PRIDE did to Nastula, I thought he had potential. Of course, he was juicing too….

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and so gavest away thy sword:
but when Muspell's sons through the dark forest ride,
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by VenusBlue on Jun 16, 2011 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

He’s got to be stupid to fail a drug test 3 times, with the wealth of knowledge and new synthetics out there designed to pass drug tests.

Hell do HGH, they don’t do blood testing, you could do it during the weigh ins and they couldn’t do anything about it.

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by DirtyML on Jun 16, 2011 12:56 PM EDT reply actions  

Main problem I have with the last test

He passed tests while he was in competition. Yet he was randomly tested while not in a competition?

How many UFC fighters are subject to random tests? How many UFC fighters are tested after each show?

In some ways it seemed like a witch hunt to

A) Get Josh Barnett
B) To stop that final affliction show

Someone somewhere was pulling some strings behind the scenes.

" Tell me something Steve, How does a guy from Puerto Rico loose a ball in the Sun? "

by aaronb on Jun 16, 2011 1:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Idk the answers to your questino

but if you get caught twice, flee to japan, and come back later… I have no problems with a surprise test before a fight. Dude has never played by the rules ever

by dbcb on Jun 16, 2011 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

If I remember right

It wasn’t really random in that sense. They had to get a positive test to re-license him or some such.

If they really want to catch guys they need to do more random testing.

1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.

by Chris Barton on Jun 16, 2011 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

If they really want to catch guys you are right

But why don’t they EVER random test guys under UFC contract? Why do they only test title fights under the UFC banner?

Just seemed odd that the whole thing went down at the 11th hour before a HUGE non UFC event. Almost too odd?

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by aaronb on Jun 16, 2011 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

CA

was doing a lot of bullshit right around then. They were harassing Nick Diaz too. That entire Commission ended up getting fired, they threw out the testing regime they used and started over. If Josh had a convincing argument ala Sean Sherk I’d be more sympathetic.

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by Nate Wilcox on Jun 16, 2011 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I still believe Sean Sherk got screwed. I’m not saying he never took steroids, I’m saying that the testing procedures CA had were so flawed as to be useless.

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by Tedd Welch on Jun 16, 2011 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

They don't only test title fights, but they always test main events

How else do you think Thiago Silva got caught?

"With gold thou boughtest Gýmir's daughter,
and so gavest away thy sword:
but when Muspell's sons through the dark forest ride,
thou, unhappy, wilt not have wherewith to fight."
~ Lokasenna

by VenusBlue on Jun 16, 2011 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

For the big commissions

If you’re a licensed fighter, they can test you at anytime for no reason. If you fail, you get suspended or lose your fight license.

It doesn’t matter if they had it out for him. They didn’t do anything outside their power and he pissed hot. Don’t cheat if you can’t handle getting caught cheating.

by d.rok on Jun 16, 2011 1:19 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Do they exercise that power with any UFC fighter though?

I’ve never heard of them using that power on anyone other than Josh Barnett?

" Tell me something Steve, How does a guy from Puerto Rico loose a ball in the Sun? "

by aaronb on Jun 16, 2011 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mainly because they don't get a positive test

but I have heard of it happening.

1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.

by Chris Barton on Jun 16, 2011 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Josh was tested as part of his license reapplication

He’d allowed his CA license to lapse. I assume everyone else has to pass this test as well when reapplying.

"With gold thou boughtest Gýmir's daughter,
and so gavest away thy sword:
but when Muspell's sons through the dark forest ride,
thou, unhappy, wilt not have wherewith to fight."
~ Lokasenna

by VenusBlue on Jun 16, 2011 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

He'd already fought twice in California under Affliction

It was a random test 10 days out of the event.

Not saying Josh is innocent per se? Just saying that the circumstances were REALLY fishy.

Like maybe a certain large promoter who already counter programmed affliction might have pulled the strings?

" Tell me something Steve, How does a guy from Puerto Rico loose a ball in the Sun? "

by aaronb on Jun 16, 2011 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Really?

C’mon, Barnett had already been busted twice before but you’re going to cast suspicion on the UFC?

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by Worldisart on Jun 16, 2011 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

In fairness

Lorenzo Fertitta was head of the NSAC when Barnett won the UFC title from Randy Couture. Barnett wouldn’t resign with the UFC for what they were offering. Suddenly Josh Barnett fails the test.

Not saying anyone is innocent or guilty.

Just saying there has been some really shady happenings in and around these test with Josh.

" Tell me something Steve, How does a guy from Puerto Rico loose a ball in the Sun? "

by aaronb on Jun 16, 2011 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not really
Just saying there has been some really shady happenings in and around these test with Josh.

I’ll let you in on a little secret, fighters in the UFC get busted too!

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by Worldisart on Jun 16, 2011 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

By random testing 10 days before they fight?

Never that I recall?

" Tell me something Steve, How does a guy from Puerto Rico loose a ball in the Sun? "

by aaronb on Jun 16, 2011 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

It wasn't random

It was part of the requirements for him to get a license to fight in California.

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by Worldisart on Jun 16, 2011 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

He'd already fought 2 times in California with Affliction

He’d fought Rizzo and Yvel on the 1st 2 Affliction shows. Why would he need to renew a license a few months later?

" Tell me something Steve, How does a guy from Puerto Rico loose a ball in the Sun? "

by aaronb on Jun 16, 2011 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Because they expire?

A fight license does not last forever

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by Worldisart on Jun 16, 2011 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

According to this

California requires every fighter to have a prefight drug test:

CSAC has among the toughest drug testing standards of any Athletic Commission in the country. It is the only commission that requires drug tests to be observed and in the presence of a commission representative prior to a bout.

Link

"With gold thou boughtest Gýmir's daughter,
and so gavest away thy sword:
but when Muspell's sons through the dark forest ride,
thou, unhappy, wilt not have wherewith to fight."
~ Lokasenna

by VenusBlue on Jun 16, 2011 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

It doesn't matter

He failed. He needs to own up to it. I’d feel sorry for him being treated unfairly if he wasn’t trying to cheat. But he was, so I don’t.

by d.rok on Jun 16, 2011 1:33 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Some of them probably are.

I served 4 yrs pen time for something I didn’t do.

by LumberJack Larry on Jun 16, 2011 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Athletic Commissions aren't court of laws

And two separate samples are tested by two independent labs. Both tests need to be highly probable positive results to fail a drug test.

He did it. And he was never charged with anything, so they don’t have to prove it beyond a reasonable doubt (which they’d have no trouble doing anyway).

by d.rok on Jun 16, 2011 1:52 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

You're...

Losing us.

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by Sergio Hernandez on Jun 16, 2011 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

See, why do you have to go and say things like this?

Because I have to believe you’re a troll who’s holding on to his schtick for a little too long.

Otherwise I have to believe you’re an idiot, and I really don’t want to do that.

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by Worldisart on Jun 16, 2011 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

By Random testing 10 days before they fight?

Never that I recall?

" Tell me something Steve, How does a guy from Puerto Rico loose a ball in the Sun? "

by aaronb on Jun 16, 2011 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

disregard

" Tell me something Steve, How does a guy from Puerto Rico loose a ball in the Sun? "

by aaronb on Jun 16, 2011 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nice to see Mr. Barnett here, trolling everyone before his big fight

He’s a man of the people. Though I will say, if he was on the juice in that Severn fight, he ought to sue his pharmacist.

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by Dave Strummer on Jun 16, 2011 1:20 PM EDT reply actions  

juice doesn't always equal nice physique

A lot of the pimple headed, 160lbs dousches in they gym are using. They just train like shit and eat like shit and don’t gain shit.

by dbcb on Jun 16, 2011 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah

I was more just joking. I didn’t realize he looked so doughy early in his career.

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by Dave Strummer on Jun 16, 2011 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hehee, Im taking your refering to LumberJack Larry, twas my 1st thought after reading his comments as well..

How do you Know where Im at? If you dont Know where Ive been...Understand where Im coming from??

by Chiggs on Jun 16, 2011 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

That was obviously at Monte Fisto :P

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by Chiggs on Jun 16, 2011 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

How did guys in the old day of MMA earn a living?

Before money and endorsements became somewhat more plentiful, how did a guy like Barnett and his teammates afford to live and train in Japan? I assume they had day jobs (kind of like athletes of other non-mainstream sports, like powerlifting), but what did someone like Barnett do in Japan?

by Pantherhare on Jun 16, 2011 1:44 PM EDT reply actions  

I`d Imagine he`s made pretty good money doing his Pro Wrestling gigs over there. He`s been a mainstay there now as long as he`s been fighting pretty much.

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by Chiggs on Jun 16, 2011 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Probably helped out with...

Training younger guys. Likely cut down on costs by crashing with someone.

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by Sergio Hernandez on Jun 16, 2011 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hugh Barnett fan…..I think it sucks that he threw away the best part of his career with the PEDs. However, I think he has the skill set to beat any HW out there.

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by Naztuu on Jun 16, 2011 1:55 PM EDT reply actions  

Is Hugh Josh's younger brother?

"With gold thou boughtest Gýmir's daughter,
and so gavest away thy sword:
but when Muspell's sons through the dark forest ride,
thou, unhappy, wilt not have wherewith to fight."
~ Lokasenna

by VenusBlue on Jun 16, 2011 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just got home and saw this...

I chuckled too….

"Life is pain, Highness. Anyone who says differently is selling something"...The Dread Pirate Roberts

by Naztuu on Jun 16, 2011 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

talk about post fail

I meant to put the chuckled comment under here……….oh well I’ll just go back to watching my Hugh Barnett fights.

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by Naztuu on Jun 16, 2011 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

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