UFC 131 Results: Dana White and the Long, Slippery Slope of Decisions
It's fortunate that UFC 131 ended with only one fight truly marred by judges. Two fights -- Kenny Florian vs. Diego Nunes and Demian Maia vs. Mark Munoz -- featured a 30-27 scorecard despite the losing fighter clearly winning at least one round. Another fight -- the opener between Michihiro Omigawa and Darren Elkins -- featured another 30-27 card. This time, however, it was accompanied by two 29-28s against the fighter most felt won the bout.
Dana White, never shy about criticizing officials, blasted the night's judging following the event, and, in an not unprecedented move, announced that Omigawa, the losing fighter in question, would receive his win bonus anyway.
"I veto, man. I don't think he [Omigawa] lost. We're going to pay you your money," White told MMA Fighting's Ariel Helwani. "And we're going to treat you like you won."
- Jonathan Tweedale, the Commissioner of the Vancouver Athletic Commission, makes a case for Elkins at SBNation.
In many respects, White's policy is a godsend. The disheartened fighter who hears Bruce Buffer announce his opponent's name can find solace in both his pocket and employer. It's good to know that your fate does not lie in what, at times, appears to be the game of chance.
That said, White's decision to ignore results handed down by the commissions -- the same commissions, mind you, that he defers to on issues like head trauma and drug testing -- opens up a set of question not so easily answered.
For starters, what about those fighters on the short end of the decision who aren't fortunate enough to have the "Dana White Scorecard" in their favor? Lyoto Machida, perhaps not unanimously, is thought by many fans to have beaten Quinton Jackson at UFC 123. The live crowd booed the decision. The crowd at my local Buffalo Wild Wings booed. Jackson looked incredulous as the scores were read. FightMetric, while not siding with Machida, scored the fight as a draw. Machida certainly didn't convince the most important person in the world, however.
"Rampage is slumping down and raising the other guy's hand and acting like he lost. ... That's not the fight I saw," White told Sergio Non of USA TODAY. "I think Rampage was the aggressor. He moved forward the entire fight."
Thus, Machida left Detroit, Michigan, without a win bonus or a chance to avenge the loss in a rematch.
Take, In a more cynical example, Jon Fitch's performance against B.J. Penn at UFC 127. The fight, even from the most anti-Fitch point of view, hinged on the scoring of a close second round. Throw in what should be a universal 10-8 round (Fitch took Penn down three times while outlanding Penn 149-2 in the striking deparment), and you have a score, at worst, as the draw the fight ended up as.
"I didn't think it was a draw. I looked at the scorecards and the two judges who had it a draw scored the first two rounds for Penn and the third round a 10-8 [for Fitch]," White told ESPN. "Personally, I scored the first two rounds for Penn and had him winning the fight. There's no doubt B.J. got pounded in the third round, but that wasn't a 10-8 round."
Due to the ambiguous nature of the decision, the UFC scheduled a rematch for Fitch and Penn, which dissipated when both fighters pulled up lame with injuries.
And what of the "winners" in fights? Let's go back to the Ultimate Fighter 12 Finale. Leonard Garcia "defeated" Nam Phan by his patented split decision. Dana White didn't see it that way, and awarded Phan his win bonus. Garcia, according to the official NSAC report, received his win bonus as well.
But if the UFC is treating Phan and his ilk as the rightful winners, how are they treating Garcia in terms of career path? Like Fitch and Penn, Phan and Garcia were scheduled for a rematch before Chan Sung Jung replaced an injured Phan.
We might find some answers in the case of Matt Hamill. Hamill earned a "W" on his record after an unfortunate bit of officiating led to Jon Jones being disqualified for throwing "12-to-6" elbows from the mount. Hamill next fought Keith Jardine, which, at best, would be described as a lateral move, and would more honestly be described as a clear step down in competition.
The issue, again, isn't such a concern in clear cut situations as Hamill vs. Jones or in nearly every fight Leonard Garcia took to the cards. The issue is where the line is drawn. If the judges had awarded the decision to Jon Fitch at UFC 127, would B.J. Penn have received his win bonus and a wink and nod from White? If "Rampage" Jackson sulked in defeat at UFC 123, would he still be scheduled to fight Jon Jones in the fall?
And, join me if you will, on the wonderful ride I call the Slippery Slope for a moment. If White is willing to, openly and brashly, ignore the decision of the judges cageside, why bother with them at all? It's clear that White holds contempt for the lot of them (with reason, as his fanbase shares the sentiment), so why not cut them out altogether? Sure, they can continue showing up and scoring fights and having those results entered into the commissions records, but imagine a scenario where UFC production cuts to White, who, in lieu of Bruce Buffer announcing the official decision, stares into the cage, points to one of the fighters, and awards him (or, perhaps, one day, her) the decision like the Roman emperors of old.
Because, you see, it's not that I'm particularly distrustful of Dana White and the UFC. Rather, I'm distrustful of all promoters in general. Should we not be skeptical of White's ability to remain objective in situations where a popular, drawing fighter (like "Rampage" or Penn) meets a "boring" fighter who is not as lucrative for business (like Machida or Fitch)? White and co. have built up enough goodwill over the years, that it's fair to give them the benefit of the doubt when it comes to committing truly nefarious acts normally associated with the Shaw family. It's the narrower decisions, however, and the decisions where the stakes are raised that we must watch with cautious eyes.
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Slope is slippery!
I wish he would just award the bonus, but still honor the judging decisions.
And if I was Omigawa, I would ask for a step down. Dude is in danger of getting cut next fight regardless
isn't that what he does though.
did Elkins not get his win bonus. if he didn’t did White break his own contract. Elkins will get a fighter of the same caliber as Omigawa more than likely. this what he would of gotten w/ that performance win convincingly or not.
Garcia “won” and was punished w/ a rematch. Garcia got his title shot (laughing to myself) and lost convincingly. Phan and fighters on this level are who he should be fighting right now anyway.
Dana will continue to judge in his own right. as long as it doesn’t hurt the winning fighters purses, who cares.
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by F'n Clownshoes on Jun 14, 2011 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Basically, if he thinks it was close but the wrong fighter won, or else there was a draw...
Then often they’ll do a rematch. Totally fair, in my mind. Neither rewarding or penalising either fighter, just running it again and see if the judges get it right, or else the fighters take Dana’s advice and “don’t leave it in the hands of the judges”.
i didn't see the omigawa fight
but the fightmetric scores made 29-28 for the other dude look justifiable.
i think it is important for dana to recognize when these guys get hosed. you can’t have someone’s career get derailed because they got screwed.
but it just doesn’t address the basic problem. when are they going to get some new younger judges? why don’t they just let fightmetric judge every fight?
What fightmetric scores? Where is this mythical card I keep hearin about?
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They reconfirmed what me and Subo were saying that night. I thought Rogan was incredibly biased towards Omigawa, and I wonder if it subconsciously helped some fans see Michihiro getting the win… First two rounds Elkins was throwing and landing more, may not have been as damaging, but he was more active. All the cosmetic damage on his face sure didn’t help people’s opinions of the fight either, I doubt.
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i'm sure it could have gone either way
it does not appear to have been a “robbery”.
a lot of the problem happens in these 29-28 fights when one round is a pure ass-kicking and the other two are close (see kampmann/sanchez and rampage/machida and belcher/akiyama and hamill/bisping and fitch/penn).
everyone knows who “won” the fight. but the 10-9 must system is what it is. the unfortunate reality of that system is that you can win the fight and lose on the scorecards.
Agreed.
I’m not saying it was a clear-cut victory for Elkins (although Subo was), but it was a really close fight given the current scoring system.
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it was a close decision
but i just can not see how anyone could give Elkins the third round
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by F'n Clownshoes on Jun 14, 2011 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Hell no!
My dad and I were watching together, and as soon as I heard 30-27 I told him that Omigawa won. I severely underestimated (or overestimated?) the judges.
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Do you think it helps though or detrimental when some MMA fans are so lenient in cases like this? Omigawa clearly won the fight, but the judges didn’t see it. Now, when MMA fans start saying things like “it could have gone Elkins way,” do you think that is detrimental to the sport in any way?
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Don't blame the fans, blame the scoring methodology
sliver-thin 10-9s being scored as 10-9s instead of 10-10; and pretty dominant rounds being 10-9 instead of 10-8. Dana didn’t think Fitch did a 10-8 against Penn? I would score that a 10-8, personally. The draw was a fair decision.
by Arca MMA on Jun 14, 2011 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don’t think it’s an issue as long as the person the commission declares as winner gets their win bonus also (and I’m pretty sure they have to get that).
As for matchmaking after the fact, I think it only really matters when it comes to title fights and getting cut. Yea, on paper it seems bogus that Hamil had to step backwards or laterally after a win, but do you really think he should fight jones or someone of that caliber again immediately after? The only time I think the slope is too slippery is if the actual winner gets cut, or the actual loser gets a title shot, otherwise, let dana throw around more money than required if he wants to.
by Phildo on Jun 14, 2011 11:15 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
let dana throw around more money than required if he wants to.
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by some schmuck in texas on Jun 14, 2011 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions
If a guy gets smashed badly but his opponent manages to DQ himself, he shouldn't be treated as if he won
As I said with draws and wrong-way decisions, I’d also be OK with DQ results becoming rematches. And everyone knows what would happen in a Hamill Jones rematch.
Because the judges decision still matters
the W or L put on your record. This is even more true outside the UFC where guys are trying to build their records. No one is going to see most of these non-UFC fights so that matters when they trying to get a shot at the big show is the judges decision (if it goes that far).
Also, as much as we complain about horrendous judging, and we should, 80-90% of the time judges decision are fine. 131 was particularly bad for judging so we are going to have an extra long bitch session about it but it’s not the end of the world
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like Machida or Fitch?
How dare you sir!!!!! For shame…….
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by the-gentle-way on Jun 14, 2011 11:17 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
fitch and machida are apples and hammers.
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by the-gentle-way on Jun 14, 2011 11:18 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah, the "Machida is boring" meme



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by Henrique on Jun 14, 2011 11:20 AM EDT reply actions 4 recs
Gifs can make a snail look exciting
I hate when people post them and are like “see hes not boring!”
but when Machida actually… unleashes he is fun. too bad he just won’t do it sometimes…
Bullshit.
For the moments Machida wants to excite, I’ll sit through 5 Fitchings for every 1 Machida moment of Zen.
The dude abides.
by wrxdonkey on Jun 14, 2011 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I would second this.
Living off his old rep of being exciting is Rampage…
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by The American Ronin on Jun 15, 2011 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
I know.
The Vertebrism around here is getting really out of hand.
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I've never seen Machida in a boring fight
granted that I haven’t seen his first 4 UFC bouts though. My first dose of the Dragon was when he fought Sokudju(?) and he subbed him. Second fight against Tito was exciting, Lyoto landed some nice counters, a nasty knee and escaped a Triangle from Tito. Third fight he ko’d a beast like Thiago and beat him at his own game. Fourth fight he made Rashad do the stanky leg seen around the world and became a champ in the process. Fifth fight was a great kickboxing match between two elite strikers. Sixth fight he got ko’d, but there was a difinitive finish and finishes are always exciting. Seventh fight the first two rounds were kinda meh, but the 3rd round was exciting. Eighth fight he ko’d The Natural witha flying front kick.
So basically I guess I wasn’t around for his earlier dormant phase, I started watching when the true Dragon was unleashed!
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by SentientAndroid on Jun 14, 2011 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
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by Damon O. on Jun 14, 2011 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
You are a god among men.
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Are you shitting me
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It doesn't matter if he is boring or not
What matters is that Rampage has more name recognition, and will sell more PPVs, thus White doesn’t “overturn” the decision.
Dana's gonna git ya for these gifs!
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Business as usual
The UFC controls the matchmaking, and they’ve always rewarded fighters that had good performances, regardless if they won or lost, they still went on to better fights.
Dana White wants control
of things that could make money (such as promoting popular fighters) but wants to pass off responsibility for things that could cost more money (like drug testing and head trauma).
In other news, water is wet and the pope is Catholic.
It’s clear that the system for scoring and judging fights has room for improvement, but the promoter circumventing the system by arbitrarily and unilaterally choosing a different winner is definitely not the answer.
That said, it’s the UFC’s money, and as long as they’re paying the fighters what they’re contracted to receive, no one can really complain about what they get paid above and beyond that. And the UFC’s matchmaking has always favored “exciting” fighters nearly as much as winning fighters, and that’s their prerogative too.
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by Damnatio Memoriae on Jun 14, 2011 11:45 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Wow you're trying hard....
All this talk of slippery slope and what if Dana’s score card doesn’t match the fans, but really, he’s only intervened when the uproar has been huge from the fans. The Rampage one is kind of a bad example because most ppl thought Machida won the fight, but lost the scoring fairly – I still remember the ridiculous amount of ten point must bashing threads on other forums lol. Even the Fitch BJPenn draw had nowhere near the facepalm response as any of the win bonus situations like NamPhan Garcia, where the outcome was flat out obvious. But more important than this, who said DW was ever looking for an answer?
He hates the fact that he has to shell out more money and deal with this crap, it was never a proposed solution at all, only a response to fan and personal outrage. All this really is, is the exact same crap he always does with side pay. Considering most of the pay a fighter receives is unkown to us and decided by Dana, this is the exact same shit except he’s now calling a portion of that side cash, “win bonus”. In the end of the day though, is it any different than if he said, Omigawa fought sikk, extra locker room bonus mada fuckas!!! (which he has certainly set a precedent for)
So at the end of the day, can’t help but feel it comes down to the exact same business as usual…
Comission decision dictates which fighter gets the win bonus contractually agreed upon.
DW controls who gets title shots, regardless of this policy.
DW controls who gets extra bonuses or side pay, policy only makes us now consider a portion of this highly variable side pay “win bonus” side pay.
Seriously, what am I missing that this is an abberation from standard Zuffa practice?
by Matty Euripides Castourkas on Jun 14, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Seriously, what am I missing that this is an abberation from standard Zuffa practice?
What you are saying is correct for the most part imo, but Dana does this very publicly rather than simply discretely paying it as he does “locker room bonuses”.
I suspect that it is his attempt at shaming the judges and ACs (indirectly) at least as much as it is fan appeasement. Some of them have been immediately post-decision, prior to any fan outrage (aside from those live), although I certainly agree that plays into it as well.
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by The American Ronin on Jun 15, 2011 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Throw in what should be a universal 10-8 round (Fitch took Penn down three times while outlanding Penn 149-2 in the striking deparment)
Thank you! I don’t care if fans want to score the first 2 rounds for BJ, but to say the 3rd round shouldn’t qualify as a 10-8 score is just blasphemous. For some reason people think you need to be on the brink of defeat, getting knocked down repeatedly, in order to be on the losing end of a 10-8 round. Penn did absolutely nothing in round 3.
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im one of the ones that actually disagrees with the 10-8
but i will admit that im not sure what the rulebook qualifies it as…so someone much smarter than myself needs to correct me. if its just about control the fight and outlanding, then yes, it was 10-8. but to me, i thought the fighter needs to be in serious trouble, ala shane carwin saturday night in round 1. bj was never in serious danger, the fight was never close to being stopped. when a ref says “you have to defend X, or ill stop the fight” or something like that and the guy makes it out of the round, thats 10-8 to me. no one anywhere was thinking that fight at any point was about to be stopped.
thats how ive always viewed it, and if im wrong, thats ok, ill own up and say i was wrong. if i wasnt at work id google the rules and read them carefully…but as it is ive spent way too much time writing this post.
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by Sterling Archer on Jun 14, 2011 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I don’t really know if and how being on the verge of defeat is looked at in the rulebook… That seems like something that could be judged much differently depending on who you are. For instance, some people thought the Carwin/Brock fight should have been stopped in the first round, others thought Brock was defending fine. With how incompetent the judges are, I hope the rules are pretty standard. And since I don’t know much other than that the 4 categories are effective striking, grappling, aggression, and octagon control… Fitch swept the board on striking, 3 takedowns to zero for grappling (Although he never passed guard or anything), Had the aggression since BJ really did nothing but lay on his back and eat punches, and control since he got the fight to the mat where he wanted it immediately and kept it there by staying active enough to not get stood up.
But my main problem is that we use a 10-point scale where 7 of the numbers are never used. Why is there such a giant range on what is considered a 10-9 round? Why can one guy squeak past the other in one round, yet get dominated in the next (without being close to being KO’ed/Submitted), and the fight is a tie going into the 3rd round?? That makes absolutely no sense to me. Like a Wookie living with a bunch of Ewoks. If Chubakkah lives on Endor you must acquit.
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heres an idea
after three rounds if no one has won the fight than the guy that looks like hs got gis ass kicked lost. cant imagine why that wouldnt be fair. so, diego sanchez, you lost your last fight.
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by Sterling Archer on Jun 14, 2011 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions
But you can’t use cosmetic damage like cuts, because Forrest can start bleeding from a strong wind, whereas BJ has adamantium skin. But using BJ/Fitch as an example because I’m so far up Jon’s ass, looking at the two men after the fight, it was clear that BJ had lost the fight, but maybe not the contest. If that makes sense. I wasn’t around for the Pride days really, but wasn’t their judging based mainly off of damage inflicted?
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correct
and it was glorious, no point fighting or stalling or lay and pray, that shit didnt fly
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by Sterling Archer on Jun 14, 2011 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I wasn’t around for the Pride days really, but wasn’t their judging based mainly off of damage inflicted?
They also judged the fight as a whole which, while sounding great in theory, means that whatever happens in the last round probably too often determines the result, regardless of what happened in the first.
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by The American Ronin on Jun 15, 2011 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions
While there is a great deal of talk about "damage" and "near finishes" regarding scoring,
the reality is that those are simply not criteria. From the NJSAC site’s listing of the Unified Rules:
(j) The following objective scoring criteria shall be utilized by the judges when scoring a round(SBNation formatting will not allow it to blockquote in the original format, so I had to remove the lines between each item).
1. A round is to be scored as a 10-10 Round when both contestants appear to be fighting evenly and neither contestant shows clear dominance in a round;
2. A round is to be scored as a 10-9 Round when a contestant wins by a close margin, landing the greater number of effective legal strikes, grappling and other maneuvers;
3. A round is to be scored as a 10-8 Round when a contestant overwhelmingly dominates by striking or grappling in a round.
4. A round is to be scored as a 10-7 Round when a contestant totally dominates by striking or grappling in a round.
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by The American Ronin on Jun 15, 2011 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
well
that most certainly makes it a 10-8 round then, whether i like it or not. thanks man, youre consistently helpful
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by Sterling Archer on Jun 15, 2011 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I understand why we get mad a judges but...
The fights need to step up as well. Maybe DFW needs to up the bonuses of the night as well. I say fighters need to step up cause this playing it safe crap can’t hurt instead of help sometimes.
And I know sometimes this isn’t always the case but if the fighter knows he/she is down 2 rounds, then they need to come out guns blazing. Never leave it up to the judges. I mean at the very worse you get knocked out but still may end up with FOTN bonus.
Gotti in boxing use to get his ass kicked and knowing he was losing use to come out swinging and sometimes pull off the win. I just think its also up to the fighters on this.
by MrSperk on Jun 14, 2011 12:42 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Great article
This really is a problem. You put my thoughts into words regarding Fitch and Machida. Rec’d.
how is it a problem with Fitch and Machida?
Fitch is the one that is injured and put himself in the box of only wanting to fight the champ or former champions, and let’s not act like Machida got bounced down the card and the rankings after the Rampage or Shogun fights. After the shogun fights, Machida was given a top flight opponent in Rampage, and after the Rampage fight, he was given a very high profile, easy to win fight, while Rampage was scheduled to fight Thiago Silva, who Machida already beat.
That's not really the point though
It seems that DW picks his “winners” in close fights based on who is easier to promote. That is the problem that i feel the Fitch and Machida situations exemplify.
It makes me happy when Dana helps the robbed
But then he ignores fights. Or scores them like a retarded casual fan. DERP RAMPAGE WAS MORE AGGRESSIVE. And I just wish he wouldnt even bother doing this. Cause those people who get robbed get robbed twice. Cause judges and Dana are stupid
The thing about this slope
is that DFW has actually managed it fairly well. The extra bonus loser money has been handed out quite a few times that we know publicly and probably even more that we don’t know about. Of the times that we do, it’s pretty much always been on fights that are WHAT THE FRACK REALLY?! level of judging shenanigans. On the closer ones, he tends to give an opinion, but stops short most of the time of blasting the judges and handing out the cash in a public manner.
Let’s put it this way. Even if he only hands out win money (publicly) a third of the time on “robberies”, that’s still giving out free money to a third of the fighters that may or may not have gotten screwed by judges. That’s more than zero. I’m kind of OK with this.
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by Cory Braiterman on Jun 14, 2011 12:55 PM EDT reply actions
In an ideal world...
We’d just not need a promoter (Who could be biased) making up for incompetent judging. But that’s the way it is, and like you said, we should be happy that he helps some of them out, at least. Optimism, more people should try it. :)
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I think you’re over reaching on White’s opinions and contributions to the “losers” of some of these fights. I think it’s important to note, cause you didn’t, that Dana has only paid the win bonus to the “loser” of fights where both fighters ar far South of making 6 figures. Fitch, Penn, Rampage, and Machida aren’t hurting nearly as bad when they lose. Is it fair? No not really. But for Dana as a fan, which he states he is time and again, and president of the company, has the power to do what is right and sometimes wrong. I don’t think helping a young or struggling fighters career is a bad thing.
i disagree with this article on the basis that dana isnt punishing the losers , which would make it a slippery slope
if he had of stripped machida of his belt after the first shogun fight , but he didnt he gave shogun his win bonus
lyoto after the rampage fight still got a marquee fight , even though but both accounts dana and the commission said he had lost
fitch was getting a rematch untill injuries struck
elkins hasnt been cut
so these are kinda win-win both fighters get win bonus and both fighters still get good fights
no one gets cut
by Richard Doughty on Jun 14, 2011 9:16 PM EDT reply actions
nice job -- we can't rely on dana...
we need to fix the judging/rules/criteria… but ooops! That’s a whole ’nother can of worms.
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i thought elkins won too
he landed way more shots in each round and had better control when the fight hit the ground. who cares if there’s blood? elkins scored more points but may not have done as much damage. he was the aggressor the entire fight, had cleaner crisper striking, controlled the cage, and never stopped attacking. he scored more points but everyone says he lost because he had a cut. … lame

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