Brendan Schaub Believes a Win Over Nogueira Will Make Him Number One Contender
by Tim Burke on Jun 13, 2011 10:00 PM EDT
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UFC heavyweight Brendan Schaub spent a while campaigning for a fight with former Pride and UFC interim heavyweight champion Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira at UFC 134, and Nogueira accepted. While a win over Big Nog would certainly be huge for his career, Schaub might be a little bit off with what he thinks he'll get out of a win - namely, the number one contender's spot at heavyweight. In a video interview with MMA30.tv, he discusses the fight:
It's the toughest test of my career. Nogueira's as tough as they come, I think he's the toughest heavyweight in the division. A win over him puts me right in the number one contender's spot and I'm looking forward to the challenge.
I'm a huge Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira fan, but a guy that's been out for over a year and had three surgeries is the toughest man in the heavyweight division? And beating him puts him ahead of, say, Junior dos Santos? I know that it's just fight promotion and he's being respectful and all, but still.
He also addresses possibly fighting teammate Shane Carwin:
It happens. There's nothing we can do to control it. If it were to happen, it'd only be for a title shot situation, and it'd have to a be a fight that changed both our lives, so man, I'll deal with it when the time comes, but I'm concerned about Big Nog right now.
In addition to those tidbits, he discusses the Frank Mir vs. Roy Nelson fight from UFC 130, and potentially fighting Mir. You can catch the whole interview after the jump.
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It shouldn’t.
"Every time I talk on the phone with someone who doesn’t know me, they call me "ma’am"." .....cut to a couple months later....... "You can alter that sig now. I spoke with someone I know on the phone and she repeatedly addressed me as a female. Fuck." - Scott C. Broussard
by Earl Montclair on Jun 13, 2011 10:03 PM EDT reply actions
It sure as hell better not.
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It won't.
He’ll at least need a win over a guy like Mir to get a title shot.
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by ElliotMatheny on Jun 14, 2011 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Mir would be a perfect opponent IF he gets past Nog first.
Anderson Silva, Edson Barboza, Jose Aldo, Charles Oliveira, Thiago Alves = Muay Thai wrecking machines!
by SentientAndroid on Jun 14, 2011 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree.
Considering that Mir is injured, I figure the timeline should work out too.
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by ElliotMatheny on Jun 14, 2011 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Lmao
Fight someone who is a contender and actually on a winning streak then you’ll be the number one contender
by rscott94 on Jun 13, 2011 10:06 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Fuck man, Frank Mir is ahead of you. Travis Browne is almost ahead of you.
"Every time I talk on the phone with someone who doesn’t know me, they call me "ma’am"." .....cut to a couple months later....... "You can alter that sig now. I spoke with someone I know on the phone and she repeatedly addressed me as a female. Fuck." - Scott C. Broussard
by Earl Montclair on Jun 13, 2011 10:08 PM EDT reply actions
I think he could, schaub been fighting people from the old folks home and all of a sudden he thinks hes no 1.
Totally. Schaub's opponents ages @ time of the fight
Cro Cop – 36
Gonzaga – 31
Tuchsherer – 34
Gormley – < 30. Sherdog don’t say.
What a bunch of old farts.
"Every time I talk on the phone with someone who doesn’t know me, they call me "ma’am"." .....cut to a couple months later....... "You can alter that sig now. I spoke with someone I know on the phone and she repeatedly addressed me as a female. Fuck." - Scott C. Broussard
by Earl Montclair on Jun 13, 2011 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions
see i knew it. another senior circuit fighter Schaub beat on his smoothly paved road to the top.
"Every time I talk on the phone with someone who doesn’t know me, they call me "ma’am"." .....cut to a couple months later....... "You can alter that sig now. I spoke with someone I know on the phone and she repeatedly addressed me as a female. Fuck." - Scott C. Broussard
by Earl Montclair on Jun 13, 2011 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Big nog is 35 you conveniently forgot that one, cro cop has not been a contender at all since joining the ufc. Gonzaga had one shot at the title and couture mopped the floor with him, yes couture. I see no one on that list of schaubs accomplishments that would back up his claim for being the number one contender, old as far as age maybe not for normal people, old in professional cage fighting and washed up definitely.
I don't either.
I just thought the concept of him fighting the ancients was extremely silly
"Every time I talk on the phone with someone who doesn’t know me, they call me "ma’am"." .....cut to a couple months later....... "You can alter that sig now. I spoke with someone I know on the phone and she repeatedly addressed me as a female. Fuck." - Scott C. Broussard
by Earl Montclair on Jun 13, 2011 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions
His last last opponent and the one he is facing are old and show it, they are noticeably slower and are no longer the threats they once were. If he is winning I don’t see why he is fighting other fighters that are/were coming off losses.
HW is thin
and he is learning. This is how prospects get brought along properly in their career. Not everyone is gonna get thrown into the deep end and survive like Lesnar. They didnt do it with Cain or Carwin and they surely shouldn’t do it with Schaub
"Every time I talk on the phone with someone who doesn’t know me, they call me "ma’am"." .....cut to a couple months later....... "You can alter that sig now. I spoke with someone I know on the phone and she repeatedly addressed me as a female. Fuck." - Scott C. Broussard
by Earl Montclair on Jun 13, 2011 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Barry, Mir, Browne, Kongo, Mittrione, Morecraft, Carwin would all make more sense than this fight, I personally don’t believe big nog should still be fighting anymore, schaub has fought nothing but people coming off losses and I think his camp is pumping him up causing him to start calling out legit top 10 fighters which may end up badly for him.
i agree that it may end badly for him
"Every time I talk on the phone with someone who doesn’t know me, they call me "ma’am"." .....cut to a couple months later....... "You can alter that sig now. I spoke with someone I know on the phone and she repeatedly addressed me as a female. Fuck." - Scott C. Broussard
by Earl Montclair on Jun 13, 2011 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions
so would struve
i really dislike schaub. never has a guy gone further on hype and politics.
the best fighter schaub has fought so far is roy nelson and he lost to him.
one thing is for sure. schaub’s easy fights are over. whoever he’s goign to fight next, he’ll have to earn it (assuming he gets past big nog)
legit gatekeeper
Jonny Bench called.
by Sterling Archer on Jun 13, 2011 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I hate him
but he’s above a gatekeeper. The limey bastard is in the top 10. Leban or Blecher are probably the current gatekeepers at MW.
"Serious sport is war minus the shooting."
George Orwell
why he is ranked where he is...
is beyond me. hes not that good, hes just not. and its not because i dont like him. i dont like shane carwin but i just got done defending him to memitim in a very spirited debate. bisping is not that good. he beats #37 ranked akiyama and the #29 ranked rivera and that lands him at #9? no, no way in hell.
Jonny Bench called.
by Sterling Archer on Jun 14, 2011 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah! screw that guy!
I can’t muster a defense of Bisping because I’ve always found the MW rankings squirrelly, it seems like after the first 5 guys they just started picking names. For instance, why is Brian Stann (14) when he just beat Jorge Sanitago (8)? That makes no sense.
Also, as I’ve previously mentioned, I hate him.
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Is CroCop the only guy he’s beaten that’s still in the UFC? Even then Cro Cop is around because of who he used to be much more than who he is now.
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Seriously??
im seriously confused as to why he would think this..
by HeadKckGdnight on Jun 13, 2011 10:10 PM EDT reply actions
Schaub has been desperately trying to hype his brand.
Frank Mir’s performance against Cro-Cop was better than Schaub’s.
I tend to be biased towards strikers . . . exciting strikers.
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This is sadly very true
"Every time I talk on the phone with someone who doesn’t know me, they call me "ma’am"." .....cut to a couple months later....... "You can alter that sig now. I spoke with someone I know on the phone and she repeatedly addressed me as a female. Fuck." - Scott C. Broussard
by Earl Montclair on Jun 13, 2011 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Eh.
Schaub could have gotten a DQ for the billion strikes to the back of the head. Mir just hugged him.
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in that Frank took much less damage than Schaub did.
"Every time I talk on the phone with someone who doesn’t know me, they call me "ma’am"." .....cut to a couple months later....... "You can alter that sig now. I spoke with someone I know on the phone and she repeatedly addressed me as a female. Fuck." - Scott C. Broussard
by Earl Montclair on Jun 13, 2011 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I actually read the first comment in reverse.
I agree, Mir did better. And that’s pathetic. Schaub vs. Beltran please.
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Hmm...
I think that Schaub SHOULD get Mir for the next number one contender’s spot seeing as how thin the division is and all, but I wouldn’t be opposed to him taking on either Mittrione, Beltran, or Pat Barry for that matter.
Anderson Silva, Edson Barboza, Jose Aldo, Charles Oliveira, Thiago Alves = Muay Thai wrecking machines!
by SentientAndroid on Jun 14, 2011 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions
hes damn close
i dont think hes nearly good enough for the cain/jds winner, but who else is there in the ufc? frank mir is the only guy i can think of who even has a claim to be above him in the pecking order
"I have smoked weed with alot of UFC champions" - Joe Rogan
"Você ta fudido. Se vai levar muita porrada, ta ligado?" - Anderson Silva
Pretty much what I was thinking
I don’t think this will make him #1 contender. But it could get him a match against Mir for the spot.
Bob Sapp vs. Rodrigo Nogueira Bob "The Beast" Sapp is 400 pounds, and if 300 pounds of it aren’t pure steroids, then someone has got to be fucking kidding. -SeanBaby
nah
if he wins this and another match, maybe. i guess it depends on his performance and what the Zuffa brass decides.
by Victor Rodriguez on Jun 14, 2011 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions
who else is there in the ufc?
It’s time to start asking who else is there in Strikeforce? If the heavyweight tournament runs to completion, the winner will be next in line, and there will be a couple other guys who could be just a win or two away.
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by Damnatio Memoriae on Jun 13, 2011 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions
yea i agree with that
overeem, werdum and bigfoot are the 3 to keep an eye on one of them will challenge for the belt in the coming year
kharitonov is what he is though and i havent seen any improvement from him since pride, hes a mid level guy in the ufc. rogers would be a good matchup with mitrione but i never see him being an elite guy in the division
and fuck barnett
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by Neil Manich on Jun 13, 2011 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
It wouldn't be
once they absorve the Strikeforce heavyweights. Which will probably in time for the next title challenge after Dos Santos.
Once they get absorbed there is still a sorting out process
that would take a year or so. Although if Megareem is still the champion they could just slot him into the title shot.
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George Orwell
at least tim sylvia's gone
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by SentientAndroid on Jun 14, 2011 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Really?
Seems like yall have a really short memory. He should have to avenge that loss before he gets Mir (or any top 5 UFC heavyweight).
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by The Lethal Haze on Jun 13, 2011 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I actually like that fight.
A big country rematch sounds just about right.
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by ElliotMatheny on Jun 14, 2011 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Only if
Schaub loses to Nog would that make sense though.
Anderson Silva, Edson Barboza, Jose Aldo, Charles Oliveira, Thiago Alves = Muay Thai wrecking machines!
by SentientAndroid on Jun 14, 2011 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I guess.
And as much as I love Nog, I doubt he will be able to pull this out. Things certainly aren’t looking good for him.
Xtreme Couture- The best never rest! The girl in my av is Kari Sweets (you're welcome).
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by ElliotMatheny on Jun 14, 2011 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions
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by spectaa on Jun 13, 2011 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Who in their right mind would want to hide that GIF?
by MMAussie on Jun 14, 2011 2:28 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
MJ responding to Pippen's comments about LeBron
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by Derek Suboticki on Jun 13, 2011 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Best part of the Mavs winning last night...
seeing the Heat cry again.
Lol
Lebron is the antithesis of a clutch player. Lebron is an awesome athlete, MJ and Dirk are awesome basketball players.
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by ElliotMatheny on Jun 14, 2011 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
in all fairness he’s done well in the clutch in some regular and playoff games. but not in the finals. and he’s not a team leader. that’s the house Dwayne Motherfucking Wade built, and it’s HIS team.
Wade is a real leader. and a more complete player.
by Victor Rodriguez on Jun 14, 2011 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions
D- Wade is the man.
I just don’t get the Lebron/ Jordan comparisons. I actually don’t really dislike Lebron, but he’s definitely not an all time great, not by his actual accomplishments.
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by ElliotMatheny on Jun 14, 2011 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions
lol wut? They should let him fight Roy Nelson again
wouldn’t mind seeing this for a second time
by av1o3 on Jun 13, 2011 10:11 PM EDT reply actions 5 recs
HAHA
what makes you think that?
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by BeardedNerd on Jun 13, 2011 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions
LOLOLOL
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by The Lethal Haze on Jun 13, 2011 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions
No
But it could get him a number one contender fight, now that Carwin is out of the mix and Lesnar’s future is uncertain.
Schaub would probably lose to Dave Herman
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I agree.
I tend to be biased towards strikers . . . exciting strikers.
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by VeeisAnimated on Jun 13, 2011 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions
That’d be a great fight. You’re good at this.
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by Tim Bernier on Jun 13, 2011 10:45 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Herman/Mitrione, dammit
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by Derek Suboticki on Jun 13, 2011 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions
and the Hawaiian dude
that KO’d my boy Skyscraper.
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by The Lethal Haze on Jun 13, 2011 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, it did for Velasquez.
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by BVandDietPepsi on Jun 13, 2011 10:12 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
Oh, I know
I’m not saying….I’m just saying.
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by BVandDietPepsi on Jun 13, 2011 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I wanted to say that UFC 110 Big Nog is a lot different that UFC 134 Big Nog
but even still, there is a precedent.
"Every time I talk on the phone with someone who doesn’t know me, they call me "ma’am"." .....cut to a couple months later....... "You can alter that sig now. I spoke with someone I know on the phone and she repeatedly addressed me as a female. Fuck." - Scott C. Broussard
by Earl Montclair on Jun 13, 2011 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Nog was looking great though.
He’d just put on a masterpiece against Randy, and had only lost once in the UFC til that point. Then Cain knocked him senseless, and Rodrigo hasn’t fought since. Definitely 2 entirely different situations.
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by ElliotMatheny on Jun 14, 2011 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually, it didn’t from what I remember. An injury to Shane Carwin did.
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His next fight was against the champ, default or not, it still made him the #1 contender.
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by BVandDietPepsi on Jun 13, 2011 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I was thinking of before that.
Cain was scheduled for a number one contender’s fight with Carwin, but Carwin was pulled to fight Lesnar. I forgot that Dana made Nog/Cain a number 1 contenders fight after that. My bad.
Still a Beer Monster.
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Understandable, TB, you’ve had a rough night.
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by BVandDietPepsi on Jun 13, 2011 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah
he had to put together that article about arianny. Must have been rough
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by BVandDietPepsi on Jun 13, 2011 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't know anything about all that
Bob Sapp vs. Rodrigo Nogueira Bob "The Beast" Sapp is 400 pounds, and if 300 pounds of it aren’t pure steroids, then someone has got to be fucking kidding. -SeanBaby
He is right
I think it is obvious he means after Dos Santos. Anyway, who is really ahead of him. This dude is the most impressive HW prospect left in the UFC. Fast. Moves his head. Athletic. Hand speed. Lol at the idea travis browne is ahead of him. The Hybrid is a legitimate contender.
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by Urijah Bieber on Jun 13, 2011 10:14 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Frank Mir
Anyway, who is really ahead of him.
"Every time I talk on the phone with someone who doesn’t know me, they call me "ma’am"." .....cut to a couple months later....... "You can alter that sig now. I spoke with someone I know on the phone and she repeatedly addressed me as a female. Fuck." - Scott C. Broussard
by Earl Montclair on Jun 13, 2011 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions
been there done that
Schaub has upside. Mir is the kind of guy Hybrid will be using as a stepping stone.
Clay Guida ensured he is now and forever the worlds most exciting and active boring fighter.
by Urijah Bieber on Jun 14, 2011 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions
and Mir is no where near a title shot
he sent Dana into verbal tirades his last two times out. Schaub has been KOing fools.
Clay Guida ensured he is now and forever the worlds most exciting and active boring fighter.
by Urijah Bieber on Jun 14, 2011 1:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah
Mir KO’d one of the same fools that Schaub did in consecutive appearances for said fighter. So either the Cro Cop victory counts for both of them or counts for neither of them. Pick one.
"Every time I talk on the phone with someone who doesn’t know me, they call me "ma’am"." .....cut to a couple months later....... "You can alter that sig now. I spoke with someone I know on the phone and she repeatedly addressed me as a female. Fuck." - Scott C. Broussard
by Earl Montclair on Jun 14, 2011 1:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Youre smart enough
To know who is as important as how.. Mir alinated many, especially White with the way that fight went.
Clay Guida ensured he is now and forever the worlds most exciting and active boring fighter.
by Urijah Bieber on Jun 14, 2011 2:16 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
If Schuab is a legitimate contender
then so is Mitrione. They both have the same 4 fight win streak against lower tier fighters.
By the time whoever wins in the Velasquez vs. Dos Santos is ready to fight again, the Strike Force tournament will be done and I bet we’ll be seeing that winner in the UFC.
No
Not really. Schaub has clearly been fighting higher level guys, just not TOP guys.
this is truf
Mitrione: Darkness, Kimbo, Beltran, Hague
Schaub: Gormley, Tuchsherereerrerrr, Gonzaga, Cro Cop
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by Earl Montclair on Jun 13, 2011 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I’d take Beltran in a fight against anybody Schaub’s beat. Don’t forget, in that one instance where Gonzaga remembered he’s a BJJ whiz, he almost put Schaub out.
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by BVandDietPepsi on Jun 13, 2011 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions
um i wouldnt
i think gonzaga and cc destroy him
beltrans fun to watch, but he really doesnt have any skills outside of a good chin and mediocre cardio
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Barely
None of the fighters Schaub beat is in the UFC anymore and Crocop should have been retired years ago.
The only one I think Schaub beats Mitrione in is against Gonzaga.
I don’t think so. He’s not saying he’s the number two contender. He said it twice in the interview. And he said Frank Mir’s top three. He’s…confused.
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Who says number 2 contender?
Srsly. After he beats Nog, he believes that will make him the next contender. This is still a ways out and Dos Santos Velasquez will be scheduled by then. It is obvious what he means.
Clay Guida ensured he is now and forever the worlds most exciting and active boring fighter.
by Urijah Bieber on Jun 14, 2011 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
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Just more TUF hyping
I wouldn’t be shocked if the UFC actually pulled it off.
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by MSEMCEE on Jun 13, 2011 10:18 PM EDT reply actions 17 recs
yea i guess i have to auto rec this
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by Cory Braiterman on Jun 13, 2011 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
It seems ridiculous
but he’s not that far off. A win over Nog and he could definitely be in a contenders match
Bob Sapp vs. Rodrigo Nogueira Bob "The Beast" Sapp is 400 pounds, and if 300 pounds of it aren’t pure steroids, then someone has got to be fucking kidding. -SeanBaby
I could go with that. Schaub v. Frank
But it doesnt make him next in line
"Every time I talk on the phone with someone who doesn’t know me, they call me "ma’am"." .....cut to a couple months later....... "You can alter that sig now. I spoke with someone I know on the phone and she repeatedly addressed me as a female. Fuck." - Scott C. Broussard
by Earl Montclair on Jun 13, 2011 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Def not next in line
Bob Sapp vs. Rodrigo Nogueira Bob "The Beast" Sapp is 400 pounds, and if 300 pounds of it aren’t pure steroids, then someone has got to be fucking kidding. -SeanBaby
If getting a win over a guy who hasn’t won since 2009 gets you a title eliminator match it is a very sad state of affairs. That just doesn’t make sense.
Initiative comes to thems that wait.
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Bob Sapp vs. Rodrigo Nogueira Bob "The Beast" Sapp is 400 pounds, and if 300 pounds of it aren’t pure steroids, then someone has got to be fucking kidding. -SeanBaby
True, but I think even Joe Silva smoking Nick Diaz’s finest weed would not try to make that jump.
Initiative comes to thems that wait.
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No one smoking Nick Diaz’s finest weed will do any kind of jumping.
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by Damnatio Memoriae on Jun 13, 2011 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
No?
Schaub has already called out Mir. Who’s only on a 2 fight streak himself. If Schaub beats him he’ll have beaten 2 former champs. They could def make the case for the fight.
Bob Sapp vs. Rodrigo Nogueira Bob "The Beast" Sapp is 400 pounds, and if 300 pounds of it aren’t pure steroids, then someone has got to be fucking kidding. -SeanBaby
He can call out who he wants. What you said was a win against Nog could get him a title shot. If that happens seriously start to question Silva’s sanity.
Initiative comes to thems that wait.
I WAS WRONG ABOUT JOE!
Who's in line behind JDS/Cain?
JOE?
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by Derek Suboticki on Jun 13, 2011 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions
FRANK MIR!
"Every time I talk on the phone with someone who doesn’t know me, they call me "ma’am"." .....cut to a couple months later....... "You can alter that sig now. I spoke with someone I know on the phone and she repeatedly addressed me as a female. Fuck." - Scott C. Broussard
by Earl Montclair on Jun 13, 2011 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
He's it.
And him vs Schaub for the title shot would make eminent sense if Schaub beats Nog.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jun 13, 2011 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions
My money is on that happening
Or breaking somebody off the SF circuit.
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by Neil Manich on Jun 13, 2011 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I completely agree and would love to see it.
I loathe Frank Mir but for him to get passed up for a title shot by Schaub would be criminal
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by Earl Montclair on Jun 13, 2011 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions
If JOE can lay off those Norwegian hot dogs and start eating their delicious salmon, thus taking off about 15-20 lbs,, and remember he is a world class grappler, I would love to see that fight.
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son of a bitch I'd actually want to see this fight
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by SSreporters on Jun 14, 2011 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Let him get more tested against a Herman or a JOE or a rematch with the guy who beat him for TUF. The TUF loser from two seasons ago should not be getting title eliminator matches by beating a guy who last won in 2009.
Initiative comes to thems that wait.
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You want him to go from beating Gonzaga/CC to fighting JOE/Herman?
No way. Schaub/Nelson II, maybe, though I doubt Roy’s interested.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jun 13, 2011 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions
fucking yikes!
wonder what his standing would be if Nelson knocks him out again?
by Victor Rodriguez on Jun 14, 2011 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions
That's def not what i said
I said it could get him a contenders shot.
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Yes, you did. Still see my post right above.
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No HE said that
I said beating Nog could earn him a contenders bout. Most likely against Mir.
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You misunderstood. I was saying yes, you are right, you did say a contender’s match and then instructed you to look at my post above responding to Derek.
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Good deal
I’m not following all too closely so I didn’t know which post you were talking about
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Harumph!
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by memitim on Jun 13, 2011 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
I will never
not rec Blazing Saddles!
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by SSreporters on Jun 13, 2011 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I keep hearing about this movie, my black friends love it. Guess I’ll go check it out.
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by SentientAndroid on Jun 14, 2011 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions
bullshit.
two former champs? yes.
but how relevant are they as far as their recent win/loss record and standing within the division? as much as i love Nog [being one of, if not THE guy that made me an MMA fan], he’s not that high up on that ladder, son. he should get the title shot when he beats a guy higher up on the contender scale.
by Victor Rodriguez on Jun 14, 2011 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions
he could
because the HW division is still really shallow. If they poach the SF HWs, he’d fall way, way down the list. Mir is ahead of him, and I think would beat him without all that much trouble.
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by Dave Strummer on Jun 13, 2011 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions
poasching SF would be optimal
but I don’t know how quick they’re going to be to do it. Diaz notwithstanding
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Yup, really, really don't like that dude
He better pray SF doesn’t collapse. I wouldn’t pick him against anyone left in that tournament.
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he might give rogers a run for his money
by HeadKckGdnight on Jun 13, 2011 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Schaub's chin can be tested
Rogers can test it for him.
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by BVandDietPepsi on Jun 13, 2011 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions
been tested.
file that shit under Nelson, Roy.
by Victor Rodriguez on Jun 14, 2011 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions
he might
But Rodgers might also truck him. I just don’t think he’s all that great at anything. I think Mitrione would give him all he could handle.
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by Dave Strummer on Jun 13, 2011 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions
i think he beats rogers
and he’d give werdum a match if it stays standing
bigfoot and the reem are bad matchups though
and fuck barnett
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makes me even sadder that i love his fighting style
but fuck everything else about him
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"Você ta fudido. Se vai levar muita porrada, ta ligado?" - Anderson Silva
I have a bad feeling
that he is going to fuck Strikeforce like he did Affliction this week.
leaving the door open for this guy to save the day
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by Victor Rodriguez on Jun 14, 2011 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions
JDS has gone 7 and fucking 0 with an absurd resume and he’s just now getting his shot.
Schaub has at least one and probably two more fights to go before his shot. At the very minimum, he has to get through Mir. I personally wouldn’t mind tossing him against Roy again. He won’t knock Roy out and Roy would test his chin again, something that hasn’t happened since then.
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by BVandDietPepsi on Jun 13, 2011 10:29 PM EDT reply actions
Here's what needs to happen:
1.Noguiera needs to pull out of this fight due to “injury” (claim he hasn’t recovered as quickly as projected)
2. Replace Nog with Dave Herman.
3. We can all lol @ Schaub when he gets tooled by Herman
4. Put Nog against Cro Cop for old time’s sake.
I was not impressed by Herman last weekend
He got hurt multiple times by Einomo who has some pretty terrible stand up. If Herman fights like he did against Schaub I think he gets knocked out. I don’t even like Schaub but I think he’d knock Herman out.
you really think he gets tooled by herman?
i thought dave herman looked really bad last weekend, einemo looked decent standing but he still hasnt fought in 5 years and gave herman a run for his money
herman has skill, but hes lazy, undisciplined and just kinda weird in his fighting style
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i realy dont want to see that nog/schaub fight
i love that old junkyard dog.. seeing these legends with shot chins being fed to && getting brutally K’od by young lion is disheartening.. shit aint fair match up the seniors against the seniors joe silva!! that nog/couture fight was a thing of beauty
by HeadKckGdnight on Jun 13, 2011 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions
schaub is not a young lion
schaub is a gatekeeper, nothing more. schab would struggle against a majority of the top 40, and thats legit. i dont care how many aging fighters they match him up against. they might as well put him in there with macho man randy savage. lets be honest, pat barry, stefan struve, cheick kongo, matt mitrione are all names that arent even in the top 20 in the division and no way would schuab beat all of them. this guy belongs no where near the title, hes delusional, hes laughable and his statement just puts an exclamation point on how badly we need to collapse the strikeforce talent into ufc.
number 1 contender….. this guy is out of his goddamn mind.
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by Sterling Archer on Jun 14, 2011 7:52 AM EDT up reply actions
No maybe he beats Nog goes and fights Mir than he is #1 contender
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by Derek Suboticki on Jun 13, 2011 10:38 PM EDT reply actions
Here come Jonathan Snowd..........my bad.
Got my contrarians confused
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by Earl Montclair on Jun 13, 2011 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
I'm offended.
Between this comment section and the front page post on HKL, I just see a lot of anti-fighter shit these days. Sure, no one would be mad if Schaub said “I’ll do whatever they tell me, I have a long way to go, I’m not even going to PRETEND to be excited that my teammate lost and opened a spot in the upper echelon of the division” – but no one would be talking about it, or him.
It’s not as funny to me as the Cerrone hate, but it still brings a smile to my face.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jun 13, 2011 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Reminds me why they call you "Delta" Derek Suboticki
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(watches joke go over my head)
The fact that MMA fans that are so educated and so into the sport can still be suck MARK ASS MARKS when fighters say things in interviews drive me bonkers.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jun 13, 2011 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions
If fighters didn’t say stupid stuff in interviews, we wouldn’t have anyone to pick on except for you and your well-crafted articles.
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And what a horrific world that would be
I just love it. Oooooh, that dastardly Donald called Mac Danzig a pussy! Does he not respect the ways of the warrior!?!?! I can’t wait to see him loseone
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by Derek Suboticki on Jun 13, 2011 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions
If Cowboy called Mac a pussy for not eating meat I am perfectly OK with that.
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by Earl Montclair on Jun 13, 2011 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Oooh Strikeforce fighters are entertaining! I HATE THEM!
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by Tim Burke on Jun 13, 2011 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Totally the same thing.
And hey – while you’re peddling untrue, misleading things about my opinions – name one Strikeforce fighter I hate that isn’t named Josh Barnett or Paul Daley. Name ANYONE I hate for being entertaining.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jun 13, 2011 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Nick Diaz: Strikeforce’s Protected Paper Champion
You constantly underrate Jacare in your rankings.
I could go on, but you get the idea. You’ll say you don’t hate them for being entertaining. No, you hate them simply for the red gloves they wear.
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I think I rate Jacare appropriately
And I don’t know if you’re up on things, but Diaz is a UFC fighter now. Yep. Tossed his SF strap in the dumpster and everything.
I have Jacare just outside the top ten. His best wins are Mayhem and Robbie Lawler.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jun 13, 2011 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions
So you like him now that he’s in the UFC. Way to make your argument sound logical.
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Again, you’re drawing blurry lines between unconnected things. Do I think Nick Diaz was protected by Strikeforce? YES! Do I hate him? NO!
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by Derek Suboticki on Jun 13, 2011 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I just see a lot of anti-fighter shit these days
Guilty. As. Charged.
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You're not this dense.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jun 13, 2011 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I would have hoped you weren’t dense enough to defend Brendan Schaub saying some grade A bogus stuff. Guess I was wrong.
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by Tim Burke on Jun 13, 2011 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don't care about what fighters say in interviews.
I’m not really defending Schaub saying that he’s ahead of Mir in the pecking order – he isn’t. I’m mocking people getting up-in-arms about a fighter inflating their place in the division during an interview after his teammate (who was higher ranked than he going in) lost.
I mean, come on. People need to realize that, if you’re talking about an active fighter – even if you’re tearing him down – he wins.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jun 13, 2011 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Honestly dude, I’m just showing you what it’s like to debate with someone like you.
And the interview was from before Carwin lost, I believe.
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You're trolling?
I’ll keep that in mind the next time you criticize me.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jun 13, 2011 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL
Beer Monster: I’m just showing you what it’s like to debate with someone like you.
Subo: You’re trolling?
at least you’re true to yourself Subo
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by The Lethal Haze on Jun 13, 2011 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions 10 recs
see
the guys in Strikeforce are winners after all!
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by Earl Montclair on Jun 13, 2011 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Cerone can call people people pussies until the end of time
I don’t like him cause of that stupid hat.
Why do you think it’s so strange that people form opinions about fighters’ personalities based on their interviews? Schaub comes off as baselessly smug to me, so I root against him. And I have a blanket policy of rooting against guys in Cowboy hats unless they are Clint Eastwood.
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by Dave Strummer on Jun 13, 2011 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I love that Cerrone calls people pussies
But I will still love Varner forever for purposefully mispronouncing Donald’s name for years. Greatest troll ever.
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by Neil Manich on Jun 13, 2011 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
That was a winner
I found myself rooting for Varner cause everyone hated him so much.
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by Dave Strummer on Jun 13, 2011 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions
So did I
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by Charles Awad on Jun 13, 2011 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey, me too! And he’s not dead or retired yet, you know. I will keep supporting him and hope he makes his way back to the UFC eventually.
by Horselover Fat on Jun 14, 2011 5:19 AM EDT up reply actions
I really liked Varner as a fighter.
Dunno what happened, maybe Razor Rob and Marcus Hicks just aren’t very good fighters, so Varner looked like a stud. But I thought he was a badass back in the WEC days.
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by ElliotMatheny on Jun 14, 2011 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I just don't do that.
I’m not going to root for or against someone because I think they’re an asshole. If I did that, I’d root for about… three people.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jun 13, 2011 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I root for some guys BECAUSE they are assholes
I mainly like fighters who are colorful outside the cage and mean as snakes inside.
People like having rooting interests in fights, and come up with all sorts of weird reasons to support them. You should try it. It’s fun.
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by Dave Strummer on Jun 13, 2011 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I just like the sport, man
That’s enough for me.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jun 13, 2011 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions
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by Neil Manich on Jun 13, 2011 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Wouldn’t you say you like an organization that promotes fights in this sport? That would seem to be more accurate.
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by memitim on Jun 13, 2011 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Remind me what you think about Barnett and Semtex again?
Since you’re such a bastion of unconditional love for all fighters. Schaub has more mouth than talent and its obnoxious, as is his commitment to elder abuse. I can’t wait for him to get the the fight that he wants against someone good, so he can get shut up again.
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by Dave Strummer on Jun 13, 2011 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Barnett's a cheater and your boy committed assault in the cage.
Do you think Schaub chose to fight Nog? Or wasn’t he calling out Mir?
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by Derek Suboticki on Jun 13, 2011 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Cerrone cheated and committed assault outside of the cage.
Just… you know. Just sayin’.
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by pdl on Jun 13, 2011 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Do you actually think his early low blow against Rocha was intentional?
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by Derek Suboticki on Jun 13, 2011 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions
He has a history no?
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by Neil Manich on Jun 13, 2011 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions
That's not really the question.
He could have a history of inside leg kicks that are a little too high. Landing a couple of illegal strikes doesn’t mean that it’s intentional every time you do it. Assholes make mistakes too, you know.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jun 13, 2011 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think every low blow he lands is automatically intentional, no. Shit happens.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jun 13, 2011 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions
You'd think he would learn to stop kicking dudes in the dong though
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by Neil Manich on Jun 13, 2011 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d hate to think they don’t work on it – it almost cost him his WEC/UFC career against Ratliff.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jun 13, 2011 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Barnett’s a THREE TIME cheat, COMPLETELY UNIQUE throughout all of combat sports.
And yeah – committing infractions in front of 20,000 people and millions at home is worse, more indicative of poor decision making and deserving of more punishment than a back-room scuffle at a local card no one cares about.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jun 13, 2011 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions
...because I know that dude.
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by Dave Strummer on Jun 13, 2011 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions
How many times did Chuck jab eyeballs?
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by Neil Manich on Jun 13, 2011 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Jabbing the eyeball isn't illegal?
Are we not going to count JDS’ win over Cro Cop while we’re at it?
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by Derek Suboticki on Jun 13, 2011 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Also
Artest won a championship a year ago, but Daley is done forever.
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by Neil Manich on Jun 13, 2011 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Artest seems like he might actually be crazy though
also, nothing is “forever” with Dana White.
I just watched that video
and according to “the Hybrid” he did, in fact, ask specifically for Nog.
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by Dave Strummer on Jun 13, 2011 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions
he most certainly did
next he’ll fight bas rutten, then tank abbott in a number one contender match.
Jonny Bench called.
by Sterling Archer on Jun 14, 2011 8:24 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
?
Between this comment section and the front page post on HKL, I just see a lot of anti-fighter shit these days.
Are you talking about my post?
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by David Castillo on Jun 14, 2011 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Ahh, ok
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by David Castillo on Jun 14, 2011 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m the one that does other things besides….
by Jonathan Snowden on Jun 14, 2011 8:34 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
travis browne, roy nelson, jds
who are those three guys? why, they’re the three people struve has lost to in the UFC.
only one of them has fought schaub. what happened? KO round 1.
do you really need me to draw a picture why this guy bugs me? and everyone else here?
and what really kills me … if this guy was in Strikeforce, saying he was the number one contender based on his record, you’d be all over him.
schaub would lose to anyone still in the strikeforce tourney
or anyone thats been knocked out of it… or any of the alternates… or my little sister.
Jonny Bench called.
by Sterling Archer on Jun 14, 2011 8:28 AM EDT up reply actions
I picked against one last night
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by Derek Suboticki on Jun 13, 2011 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions
*Saturday
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by Derek Suboticki on Jun 13, 2011 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Schaub was about to give me a wedgie, but a stiff wind blew by
and he fell over.
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by Dave Strummer on Jun 13, 2011 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions
i was the one handing out the wedgies good sir..
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by HeadKckGdnight on Jun 13, 2011 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions
There are a lot of betas complaining about Schaub’s comments here.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jun 13, 2011 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions
i just dont like how he's being fed legends that i love
guys who took the sport to another level and are basically shot.. i see what the ufc is doing tho.. the hw division is top heavy so they want to make a name for schaub by piggy backing off name fighters and hype him as some sort of legend killer..
by HeadKckGdnight on Jun 13, 2011 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions
It's the circle of life
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by Earl Montclair on Jun 13, 2011 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Snowden said "feed Liddell to Bones" and people cheered.
Everything’s okay if you like the fighter they’re doing it to. Nothing’s okay if you don’t.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jun 13, 2011 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions
That would have just been a sanctioned massacre.
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by Earl Montclair on Jun 13, 2011 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions
i dont even like lidell
and i wouldnt wish that on him.. the people who cheered are some sick f*$cks
by HeadKckGdnight on Jun 13, 2011 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I did not
Quite an a$$hole-ic call by Snowden in my opinion.
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by Chris Groves on Jun 13, 2011 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions
That's it in a nutshell
I could care less about Schaub, but I completely understand the hate that he’s getting. It has happened before though, young guns building their names off of legends. You could kinda argue that it happened with JDS (he fought CC) and with Cain (he fought Nog). I personally wouldn’t argue that because CC was on a 3 fight win streak when he fought JDS and Nog had at least one win, but you COULD kinda argue that their stock increased due to fighting aging names on their last legs.
Schaub is an up-and-coming fighter who has beaten lesser competition, is apparently building his name off of legends, and has somehow managed to sneak his way into being next in line for the hw strap while avoiding top prospects JDS, Cain, and Carwin on his way to the top. That and the fact that he got ko’d by Roy and he comes off as a douche doesn’t help much either…
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by SentientAndroid on Jun 14, 2011 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions
In this division
this will put him in contention.
Mir, Carwin, or Nelson would be good match ups. Maybe Browne or Herman if their putting him mid-tier.
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You guys are crazy with the Schaub hate. I’m not some huge fan of his but the guy’s a very decent HW. If he were a bit younger he’d be a serious, serious prospect.
He is a serious prospect even still.
Just not one fight away from a title.
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by Earl Montclair on Jun 13, 2011 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions
28 isnt all that old really.
Not everyone is Rory MacDonald
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by Earl Montclair on Jun 13, 2011 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Deluded
Infront of him IMO.
Nelson, Browne, Mir, Brock (on return), Carwin, soon to be Overeem, Werdum, Bigfoot.
theres no way brownes ahead of him
a terrible and ugly draw with kongo and a ko win over struve doesnt impress me at all
the guy throws sledgehammers, but he has a long way to go
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"Você ta fudido. Se vai levar muita porrada, ta ligado?" - Anderson Silva
His initials are BS but... He may have a point...
…I guess he has been reading Fight Matrix. (Which I’m sort of addicted to)
Filtering for UFC-only, .
1 1 Cain Velasquez
2 2 Brock Lesnar
3 4 Junior dos Santos
4 6 Frank Mir
5 7 Shane Carwin
6 11 Brendan Schaub
So if Brock’s out and Carwin drops down to sub-top 5, Schaub’s looking pretty good. But I think the real factor is Strikeforce. If you factor those guys in, Schaub falls to sub-Top 10.
The UFC’s heavyweight division is thin at best. It doesn’t take much to get yourself “in the mix.” It’s not like he’s Sam Stout trying to be relevant at 155 where you have 10 guys who could vie for the title at any time.
2011 is SF’s year to get it’s fighters noticed before the UFC absorbs it. Schaub knows he is up against the clock. Be a big fish in a small pond, or wait for the dam to burst and the SF floods in with new HW talent. He’s got about 18 months I figure.
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That's the question
Who is seriously next for the winner of JDS/Cain? Would ANYONE be against Nog getting a shot if he beats Schaub? No? Then why get pissed if it’s the other way around?
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by Derek Suboticki on Jun 13, 2011 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Nog has a body of work that would earn him that shot. Schaub had trouble with a blown out Cro Cop.
Still a Beer Monster.
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…Wait. Schaub had trouble with a blown out Cro Cop… who he finished in the third… just like JDS did. Does that mean JDS had trouble with a blown out Cro Cop?
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by Derek Suboticki on Jun 13, 2011 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Did JDS get his nose broken by CC? Your analogies are very bad.
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by Tim Burke on Jun 13, 2011 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
JDS vs Cro Cop: TKO, 3rd round
Schaub vs Cro Cop: KO, 3rd round
Mir vs Cro Cop: KO, 3rd round
Which performance was less impressive?
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by Derek Suboticki on Jun 13, 2011 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions
You…don’t know how to argue well.
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by Tim Burke on Jun 13, 2011 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Or factually
JDS won by submission.
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by Neil Manich on Jun 13, 2011 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
JDS submitted Cro-Cop
Which according to Franklin McNeill is a testament to how dangerous he can be on the ground.
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by SSreporters on Jun 13, 2011 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
Classic
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by Neil Manich on Jun 13, 2011 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions
And you suck at answering direct questions
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by Derek Suboticki on Jun 13, 2011 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Junior stalked CroCrop and wailed on him for three rounds until he quit
Not every third round finish is created equal.
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by Dave Strummer on Jun 13, 2011 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
The Junior fight was by far the most impressive
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by Neil Manich on Jun 13, 2011 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions
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by pdl on Jun 13, 2011 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
i see what your saying
and yea noone looks good against cro cop, but schaubs was the least impressive
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Schaub
Because the Dos Santos loss was sandwiched between two wins on each side for Cro Cop. Cro Cop seemed to have a pretty solid chin still in the Dos Santos fight.
The Mir loss is unimpressive in it’s own right because of how little time Cro Cop had and the eye poke he suffered an etc..and Mir did pretty much nothing but push him against the cage.
But the least impressive is Schaub, Cro Cop was coming off of the knockout to Mir and was perceived as ‘done’ in the eyes of many heading into the fight…which wasn’t the case for him heading into the Dos Santos or Mir fights
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by Chris Groves on Jun 13, 2011 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Would ANYONE be against Nog getting a shot if he beats Schaub?
I uh… lots of people, bro. Like, everyone.
If Cain is champ, well… we saw their last encounter.
If JDS is champ, they’d never fight.
You can’t exactly expect Subo’s arguments to be logical or thought out.
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by The Lethal Haze on Jun 13, 2011 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I'd kind of be upset.
Considering Cain knocked his ass out in his last fight.
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by Neil Manich on Jun 13, 2011 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I think that's the million dollar question
What is the contract language between Strikeforce and their fighters, and between Strikeforce and Showtime? The UFC somehow figured out how to get Diaz moved over, and heavyweight is where Strikeforce can help the UFC’s roster the most.
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by Damnatio Memoriae on Jun 13, 2011 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions
You know what, he's kind of right
He beats Nog he’ll probably fight Mir in a number one contender’s fight. And that’s the problem, this division fucking sucks. So how about we stop getting force fed it. I’d rather see any number of featherweight and Bantamweight fights being shoved on the undercard of TUF finale cards than fucking Stefan Struve on pay per view. HW is the worst division, stop trying to tell us it’s premier.
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This is a favorite windmill of yours
but people will always pay to see enormous dudes fight.
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by Dave Strummer on Jun 13, 2011 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions
It bugs me.
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by Neil Manich on Jun 13, 2011 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions
It's not just MMA
The HW division just… is. It’s premiere even when it’s not.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jun 13, 2011 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree that the weakness of the division is a bummer
and that some HW fights that the UFC has to put on look like they don’t belong anywhere near the division, but I still get hyped to see a HW fight, especially a fight like JDS-Carwin. Anytime you see good HW’s going at it you just have that sense that things could end in an instant, and it makes the experience very immediate.
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by Dave Strummer on Jun 13, 2011 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I honestly could care less about them
They just seem to gas and tire soooooo fucking much! That’s why I kinda stopped watching the hw’s in boxing.
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by SentientAndroid on Jun 14, 2011 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Choked out probably
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by Neil Manich on Jun 13, 2011 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions
knowing mma fans:
Overrated.
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by Earl Montclair on Jun 13, 2011 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions
It doesn't seem like anybody has him very highly rated at all.
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by Neil Manich on Jun 13, 2011 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Still too high.
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by pdl on Jun 13, 2011 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
logic means nothing in this equation
just like any other discussion about rankings
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by Earl Montclair on Jun 13, 2011 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'd say I still think Schaub is one of the better UFC HW's right now and
That Nog is still a contender.
Clay Guida ensured he is now and forever the worlds most exciting and active boring fighter.
by Urijah Bieber on Jun 14, 2011 4:04 AM EDT up reply actions
re: everyone arguing with subo
really guys you just drove right into his web and now you’re stuck good work
What do you expect?
his trolling is top 3, P4P, easy.
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by Dave Strummer on Jun 13, 2011 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions
If there was an ignore poster function on here that I could find I would use it on subo and only subo.
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by exsanguinator on Jun 13, 2011 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Once the Strikeforce HWs are absorbed into the UFC
Schaub has no chance of ever fighting for the title. I guess it’s kind of smart to try to get one now, no matter how stupid it is.
...
C’mon Son.
Defeating Nog AT BEST lets you compete in a #1 contender fight. Beating him doesn’t give you a #1 contender spot.
You’ve gotta be high.
I don’t like to use this term, but you are like one of the guys in the UFC that I felt has been completely dragged along at a snails pace and I would even say his record is just being padded.
Knocked out in the first by Nelson, who has not proved to be a top contender by any means.
Beat Gormley who was coming off of a loss.
Beat Tuchscherer who was coming off of a bad majority decision over Hague
Beat Gonzaga via decision, who was coming off of knockout loss to Dos Santos
Ko’d Cro Cop, did not look great doing it…and Cro Cop had also just been KO’d by Mir
And now you intend to KO Nog, who himself is coming off of a long layoff and a knockout loss.
And you expect to be the #1 contender?
You haven’t fought anyone coming off of a single legitimate, decisive win, let alone guys with win STREAKS…or guys who are also perceived as being on their way up in the sport as opposed to being on the brink of retirement.
I’ve never liked you Schaub, even on the 10th season of TUF, you were pissing me off. Particularly when you were saying things like Nelson has never fought anyone like you, and that’s ‘saying something’ because he had fought guys like Arlovski.
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by Chris Groves on Jun 13, 2011 10:59 PM EDT reply actions 16 recs
Never say never
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by Chris Groves on Jun 13, 2011 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Rec
And The Tree of Life was excellent.
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by BeardedNerd on Jun 13, 2011 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Good to know
I won’t be able to see it until it opens nationwide on July 8th, but I’m excited.
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by Chris Groves on Jun 13, 2011 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I watched one of the trailers...
It probably doesn’t do it justice based on the reviews for it.
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pass the pipe of whatever you’re smokin, Brendan
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by Cory Braiterman on Jun 13, 2011 11:08 PM EDT reply actions
Everyone has already said it..
but Schaub is smoking some gooood stuff. The HW division may be thin, but he is damn near the bottom. I hope Nog subs this stupid douchebag.
Exactly
Look at how many of the guys he has beaten in the UFC that have been cut after he beat them?
Gormley was cut, Gonzaga was cut, Tuchscherer would have been cut if it weren’t for his associations with Brock(just like McSweeney would have been cut sooner if not for his associations with Evans)
Mirko Cro Cop would have been cut if he still didn’t have such a devout fanbase and it wouldn’t have made Dana White look bad.
Schaub is literally the garbage man in the UFC’s heavyweight division, he’s the guy brought in to give guys who don’t belong one last lost to send them out.
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by Chris Groves on Jun 13, 2011 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Schaub is no different than other guys they build from TUF
They give them scrubs, then bigger “names” where the opponent is essentially a bad matchup stylistically or past it, and then they face a 3 out of 5 star fighter and fold.
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by SSreporters on Jun 13, 2011 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions
He’s alot better than Escudero, McGee, danzig, Wilks, and Brookins though
by Portland Raider fan on Jun 13, 2011 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Which isn't saying much
He’s good enough to be a HW mainstay but he does nothing to suggest he can be a contender.
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by SSreporters on Jun 13, 2011 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think he’s better than Danzig and I’m not sure he’s better than Brookins. And if Escudero had his head on straight, Schaub wouldn’t be better than him either. The other two you mentioned are awful, so being better than them doesn’t mean much.
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Yeah, it's up to like 400 now...
Which is probably more than the live threads in the past for regional shows.
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Some of these dudes commenting on here are insane. Schaub may not be deserving of a title shot, even after beating Nog, but to say Pat Barry, Mitrione, Travis Browne, Kongo, or Morecraft are more deserving is ignorant at best. I say if Schaub wins give him Mir and then he’ll be number one contender…that is unless they dissolve strikeforce hw’s in sooner…funny how we also talk about how weak SF is but when it comes to their heavyweights the ufc needs them pretty bad.
by Portland Raider fan on Jun 13, 2011 11:25 PM EDT reply actions
When he fights someone coming off of a real win
Who isn’t one loss away from needing to retire/be cut from the UFC…then maybe I’ll believe him as a contender, let alone a top contender.
He needs to fight someone else who has made their way in the UFC heavyweight division. Fight someone like Browne, the Barry/Kongo winner, or something like that.
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by Chris Groves on Jun 13, 2011 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Kongo has won 1 fight in his past 4, and I love Barry but Schaub would just take him down and maul him. Browne is an interesting idea though, but not if he beats Nog
by Portland Raider fan on Jun 13, 2011 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions
If Pat Barry had any fight IQ
Schaub would be put to sleep.
Browne would wreck him on power alone.
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by SSreporters on Jun 13, 2011 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Good thing power alone isn’t the only measure of a fighter, if not Marius Puda(however the hell you spell his name) would be champion of everything
by Portland Raider fan on Jun 13, 2011 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Fight IQ and wrestling skills are two different things too
by Portland Raider fan on Jun 13, 2011 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Schaub has not shown any strong wrestling skills
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by SSreporters on Jun 13, 2011 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Compared to Barry he’s a 4x national champ. Watch the Tim Hague and Cro cop fights
by Portland Raider fan on Jun 13, 2011 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Brendan Schaub never fought Tim Hague....
Am I missing something?
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by SSreporters on Jun 13, 2011 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions
No, but Pat Barry did and got tapped out and outwrestled by him and Hague sucks.
by Portland Raider fan on Jun 13, 2011 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Ahh I see what you mean
I could also say that Barry’s striking is far better than Schaub’s and he can leg kick the shit out of him and make takedowns useless.
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by SSreporters on Jun 13, 2011 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I love Pat Barry but since he’s joined the UFC he beat a horrible Dan Evensen, Hardonk (who retired afterwards) and Beltran a pure brawler…Schaub would beat his ass by being a complete UFC fighter.
by Portland Raider fan on Jun 13, 2011 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Which has been proven by actually being able to beat quality wrestlers, something that Barry cannot do.
by Portland Raider fan on Jun 13, 2011 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Fair enough
But Schaub has beaten a horrible Gormley, a horrible Tuchschscshschschschscher, a battle-torn Gonzaga, and a completely shot Cro Cop. Gormley got swarmed, Tuchscherer is easy to hit, Gonzaga’s chin is finished and so is Cro-Cop, who actually cut him up.
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by SSreporters on Jun 13, 2011 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions
A shot CroCop that choked Barry out.
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by Neil Manich on Jun 13, 2011 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions
A Barry with two broken extremities
See, anyone can do this.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jun 14, 2011 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Not trying to get into an MMAthathon but quite simply believe that Barry would get his ass beat by Schaub
by Portland Raider fan on Jun 14, 2011 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions
In all honesty I believe
Barry would land that right hand early and put Schaub out.
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by Chris Groves on Jun 14, 2011 2:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Barry gave that fight away
He was dominating him until that completely nonsensical “Brohug” moment. CRO COP IS NOT YOUR FRIEND!
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by SSreporters on Jun 14, 2011 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm just saying
The fact that Barry tapped to that ridiculous RNC should send some red flags up.
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by Neil Manich on Jun 14, 2011 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions
LOL he was a great friend back in the day…just dont think his age or the cage are his friend. IMO he is one of the dudes who truly needs to fight in a ring.
by Portland Raider fan on Jun 14, 2011 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions
and broke his hand
and his foot
and didn’t know how to win any other way because he isn’t a grappler.
can we stop it with this bullshit meme already?
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by Cory Braiterman on Jun 14, 2011 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions
getting cut by Cro Cop an cutting him is Better than getting RNC’d by him. I honestly do not think that Barry could beat Gonzaga either.
by Portland Raider fan on Jun 14, 2011 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions
hd would fuck him up
Saget>blanca
Clay Guida ensured he is now and forever the worlds most exciting and active boring fighter.
by Urijah Bieber on Jun 14, 2011 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions
This man speaks truth. Tiger Knee it is.
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Those were all UFC level HW's
this is how the fight game works. beat mid level guys and fading vets and move up the ladder. Nog was a champion a couple years ago. Schaub is a great talent to anyone who can use their eyes and judge his skills displayed. I never understand how people can’t acquire information because an opponent isn’t to their liking. Technique, speed, all these things can still be judged. Schaub is LEGIT.
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by Urijah Bieber on Jun 14, 2011 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Schaub took down Cro Cop
Cro Cop took down Barry. I know that doesn’t mean much, but still.
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by Neil Manich on Jun 13, 2011 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree, I think schaub would wreck Pat Barry
by Portland Raider fan on Jun 13, 2011 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions
not to mention the fact cain got hist title shot after beating the same guy
by Portland Raider fan on Jun 13, 2011 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Big Nog was coming off a win
And Cain beat Kongo when he was considered a contender.
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by SSreporters on Jun 13, 2011 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Dude cain fought Kongo 2 years ago, it wasn’t recent. Since the the only guy he beat was Buentello, who shouldve never even been given that fight
by Portland Raider fan on Jun 13, 2011 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I think he needs to face this man first after Nog to get in the title talk.
http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01573/Mark-Coleman_1573352c.jpg
Then this guy to get into his #1 contender’s match.
And finally when the champ is hurt he should fight for an interim title against:
http://ma-mags.com/Search/Rickson%20Gracie.jpg
That should be enough former, aged PRIDE fighters to get him a title shot.
Initiative comes to thems that wait.
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by memitim on Jun 13, 2011 11:26 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Bravo
We happen to agree immensely on this particular subject…let us savor it.
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by Chris Groves on Jun 13, 2011 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Indeed
Back to the trenches tomorrow…looking forward to our figurative duel in the heart of the battlefield on Saturday.
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by Chris Groves on Jun 13, 2011 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Just finished watching Cyborg v Carano on SHO Extreme. Damn, Werdum wrapped up Kyle awfully fast. I can’t wait.
Initiative comes to thems that wait.
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Werdum sure handled Kyle well
Too bad Kyle isn’t the one Werdum is rematching on Saturday.
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by Chris Groves on Jun 14, 2011 1:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Well, Kyle has actually fought more than one ranked guy the past few years. Reem has to hit the button on the way back machine in order to say that.
Initiative comes to thems that wait.
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In Overeem's defense
He was kinda busy winning the most prestigous kickboxing tournament around.
But don’t worry, he’s less than a week away from cementing himself as a top 5 HW…thanks to ‘the man who beat the man and then didn’t fight for a year’
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by Chris Groves on Jun 14, 2011 2:44 AM EDT up reply actions
he was fighting a lot of guys in MMA during that time
The K-1 win is great. I am psyched for this fight. But it doesn’t erase the valid criticism of his career in MMA.
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by Urijah Bieber on Jun 14, 2011 2:53 AM EDT up reply actions
We're just having a bit of fun
Just like I know the reason Werdum hasn’t fought in a year was because of the elbow injury, and then his GP fight getting pushed from April to June.
I’ve said before that Overeem isn’t really legit as a top MMA guy until he beats Werdum…he has serious potential because of how he’s handled other guys like Rogers…and his K-1 GP win speaks to his striking ability…but it’s time to ‘get some’, so to speak…and stop just thinking about how he could, and to see him actually do it.
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by Chris Groves on Jun 14, 2011 2:57 AM EDT up reply actions
I need to see his MMA defense standing
His offensive striking capabilities cannot be denied, but I wonder how the stalking, K1 style will play in MMA against fast punchers with little gloves on.
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by Urijah Bieber on Jun 14, 2011 2:59 AM EDT up reply actions
We'll certainly see I suppose
I too am very curious, even if I always come off as optimistic, about how he’s going to fair long term at the highest levels of MMA
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by Chris Groves on Jun 14, 2011 3:01 AM EDT up reply actions
How much athleticism does he have off his back against wrestlers we have no idea
Crushing guillotine and super strong, but is he able to defend against top submission HW’s when in the past he could be caught?
The best summation of what one can reasonably expect of Overeem is this – Overeem will likely have the most dangerous offense in MMA. But like the punch out characters he resembles, he can be beaten with well timed star punches, and is likely to never change. Typically even in the fights he lost he was beating the shit out of somebody with a very effective offense before being clipped, so we can expect him to win more and lose less because his ability to finish with single strikes through sheer punching/knee power appears dramatically increased. Yet a mixture of dramatically improved MMA competition, deep water and little gloves means one should be careful before crowning him too early.
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by Urijah Bieber on Jun 14, 2011 3:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Excellent points
Nobody is unbeatable.
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by Chris Groves on Jun 14, 2011 3:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Plus: I find it incredibly hard to believe he will not gas fiercely if he gets wrestled hard for a couple of rounds with all that muscle on him. We’ve seen it many, many times that cardio for standup is not worth a penny when you are getting Fitched by a wrestler. Maybe Overeem really has good enough TDD defense to stay on his feet even against someone like Velasquez, maybe his gas tank is as otherworldly as his physique (the past says: “no! Fuck no!” to this). But I find it very unlikely. As soon as he gets a high-level wrestler who can put him down, he is in trouble, IMO.
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I know everyone blames the weight cut
that is the favorite excuse of the Reem defender, that his gas tank was the reason for the KO’s he suffered. I am not so sure either. Good point.
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by Urijah Bieber on Jun 14, 2011 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions
He gassed against Werdum in their first fight and he did not cut weight for that one (with considerably less muscle). So I’m not buying that.
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The level of hate this guy gets is really confusing both as a fighter and as a person
He is damn good and skilled for a HW and isn’t a douche. It makes no fucking sense. The Hybrid is one of my favorite up and coming fighters to watch. A HW that has speed, moves his head and feet and athletic talent is going to go far. Period.
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This is a guy that stood over a downed opponent and brushed his shoulder off after he TKO’d him. There’s definitely reason to dislike the dude.
Still a Beer Monster.
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Celebration moves be part of the game.
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by Urijah Bieber on Jun 14, 2011 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I don't dislike the guy
I just don’t think he’s that impressive.
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by Neil Manich on Jun 14, 2011 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions
His nickname is pretty turrible too
Great so you get good mpg’s and have a square rear end. Super
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by Earl Montclair on Jun 14, 2011 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
It does sound like something
He picked out for himself when he was about 13.
‘Man, when I start training UFC, I’m gonna have a cool nickname, like The Predator, or the Hybrid!’
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by Chris Groves on Jun 14, 2011 1:22 AM EDT up reply actions
I can't believe this
He looks like a contender fight in fight out. The guy would easily have been in title fights with no Strikeforce but even still he could be. And soon. And contend. He has the tools.
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by Urijah Bieber on Jun 14, 2011 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m with Neil. He doesn’t look very impressive to me at all.
Still a Beer Monster.
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this is the division with Dave Herman's head movement.
Schaub is a defensive mastermind by this metric. And please no noise about CC hitting him with the left hand. He tagged Dos Santos a bunch with that left too.
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by Urijah Bieber on Jun 14, 2011 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Dos Santos doesn't have very good defensive boxing either.
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right...
He totally didn’t just prove that he can avoid damage when the game plan calls for it.
Also, can we please not talk about JDS in the same thread as Schaub? They are like two different species.
Tatum: I think he's a good man. I like him. I got nothing against him, but I'm definitely gonna make orphans of his children.
by Dave Strummer on Jun 14, 2011 8:40 AM EDT up reply actions
That's totally what I just said, too. You're right.
I hate how people act on here lol. I’m not saying he didn’t do well in this fast fight.
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by James Brady on Jun 14, 2011 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
He looks like a contender because his opponents are horrible
Gormley and Tuchscherer aren’t remotely Shark Fights material.
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by SSreporters on Jun 14, 2011 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions
those are solid wins
why did the UFC even sign them then? He crushed them guys. Good fighters crush not so good ones. I am flabbergasted at the inability for people to use their eyes.
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by Urijah Bieber on Jun 14, 2011 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions
His best two wins are Cro Cop and Gonzaga
He looked awful against Cro Cop despite the win, and could have concievably been disqualified in what was an unimpressive showing unitl the KO. This is just my own bias, but I was incredibly disappointed with Gonzaga and his game plan against Schaub.
The best fighter he’s fought is Nelson, and Nelson knocked him out.
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by Neil Manich on Jun 14, 2011 12:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Schaub didn't even touch Nelson.
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by SSreporters on Jun 14, 2011 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Nelson was a top ten HW caliber before he even went on TUF
and I think Schaub might beat him in a rematch. Nelson was in a number one contender match not long ago.
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by Urijah Bieber on Jun 14, 2011 12:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Top 10 caliber? He’d never beaten a top 25 opponent in his career when he fought Schaub.
Still a Beer Monster.
http://www.instrength.com
totally robbed against Monson, Rothwell
that is two, but he also had that sweet grapplers quest victory(totally erased now)
Big Nelson fan since the IFL. Get in my belly.
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by Urijah Bieber on Jun 14, 2011 1:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Solid wins over guys with 0 total UFC wins?
No.
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by SSreporters on Jun 14, 2011 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions
they got to the UFC didn't they.
Didn’t realize CC had no UFC wins.
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by Urijah Bieber on Jun 14, 2011 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Vagner Rocha and Sean McCorkle got to the UFC
What’s your point?
You justified those first two fights as quality wins for Schaub.
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by SSreporters on Jun 14, 2011 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
UFC wins are UFC wins
unless we personally don’t like a guy who is talented and has no real glaring holes, so instead of you know, looking at the fight and saying XY and Z is wrong with his game etc we head on over to fight finder and click on the names on his resume.
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by Urijah Bieber on Jun 14, 2011 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions
His glaring hole was shown
And then Nelson was declared the winner. Since then he’s fought guys who prior to fight time posed no threat.
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by SSreporters on Jun 14, 2011 12:57 AM EDT up reply actions
woah so a HW with huge power hit him?
and he went out? Fuck man what a weakness!
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by Urijah Bieber on Jun 14, 2011 12:59 AM EDT up reply actions
UFC wins are UFC wins
Nope. Not all wins are created equal.
Wins in the UFC, over fighters who are still in the UFC > Wins in the UFC over fighters who have since been cut
Its the only legitimate claim GSP has over Anderson… more of the guys he’s beaten are still in the UFC.
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by The Lethal Haze on Jun 14, 2011 1:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Well Leites didn't really get cut because he sucked.
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I didn't say all things were created equal
shit can someone do a fan post on strawman arguments, what they are and when not to use them. Jesus.
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by Urijah Bieber on Jun 14, 2011 1:05 AM EDT up reply actions
naw,
no opportunity for recs or wrecks.
Thinking of posting one saying Lesnar isn’t a million dollar draw though. That should make for some must see internetz.
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by Urijah Bieber on Jun 14, 2011 1:12 AM EDT up reply actions
That would be an interesting piece. Especially if you had any facts to back up what is at this point nothing but an opinion.
131 selling next to zero tickets after he pulled out of the fight kind of puts a dent in that though.
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by Earl Montclair on Jun 14, 2011 1:20 AM EDT up reply actions
that just means those guys are less important than Lesnar to Hockey crazed fans.
That doesn’t speak directly to this point at all.
I haven’t done all the research yet but ;
Liddell, Ortiz, Tyson, DLH, and Roy Jones Jr all watched their drawing power fall when their reputation as fighters fell. My fan post would include research into when these fighters stopped being able to bring in audiences around the million dollar mark after bad losses. I haven’t done this research yet so I can’t post it here or make definitive statements but clearly all these fighters stopped being million buy fighters at some point correct?
It would also include commentary on the nature of Lesnar’s draw. Lesnar was billed as an unstoppable force who with by sheer size and strength would over power everyone. First, Carwin wacked him silly in the first round. That fight in itself was not draw damaging because he came back and won. But then Cain Velasquez happened. There is no way that performance hasn’t turned off a certain number of PPV buyers. Not after he was dominated by a smaller man in all phases of the game, including his supposed strength. His super human aura is beyond shattered. That is what he relied on. And it isn’t like Cain can be written off as a fluke. That fight makes the Carwin comeback appear to be the fluke.
Lesnar isn’t beloved like Liddell, doesn’t command a loyal ethic audience like DLH, and unlike Tyson doesn’t have a library of vicious first round knockouts in our memories or commercial spots. Much of Lesnar’s draw was the mistique and legend that frankly was completely dis-proven in the cage. He was exposed. This doesn’t mean to say he “sucks” or isn’t a good HW with some dangerous tools, but it does mean the Hulk Smash monster shit was our imaginations running fucking wild. No one buys into that anymore, and he doesn’t have much to fall back on beyond that.
I am not saying he isn’t still a draw. Shit, Liddell in his final fight sold around 500k, but Lesnar will not crack a million buys on his own unless he is opposite another good draw and the card is marketed very well at the right time of the year(such as Fedor possibly as that was the fight for two years, or the UFC champion, but a title fight for his first fight back would be suicide for his long term marketability with no tune up) He could still do solid numbers. Not a million unless he wasn’t the only factor. Lesnar can’t do it by being Lesnar anymore.
The ratings of this season of TUF are horrific. If you’re naive enough to believe the biggest UFC draw on PPV is their worst TUF draw ever simultaneously, I can do nothing for ya son.
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by Urijah Bieber on Jun 14, 2011 2:46 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
As well as the fact that
He had 3 events that did over 1 million buys
granted UFC 100 was stacked as hell.
But his fights at 116 and 121 were carrying the whole card, promotionally.
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by Chris Groves on Jun 14, 2011 1:27 AM EDT up reply actions
nothing lasts forever
people were paying for a monster. He isn’t a monster anymore. See above.
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by Urijah Bieber on Jun 14, 2011 2:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Okay, fair enough
I admit that with the loss and now the overly long layoff, he couldn’t bring a million buys by himself.
I kind of took it the wrong way as ‘Lesnar wasn’t a 1 million draw’ as opposed to ’won’t be when he finally comes back’
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by Chris Groves on Jun 14, 2011 3:00 AM EDT up reply actions
He could be again though
If they come back and give him good match ups. Seriously he needs to get some tune up work in for both his prospects as a fighter and as a draw. The concern I think with his match making is him losing to a lower tier fighter completely eradicating it. This is why they stuck him in with Dos Santos when they should have straight up booked Frank Mir, Roy Nelson, Stephan Struve or Sean McCorkle(at that time). He needs a highlight as much as an opponent he can work on his game with without the risk of being completely decapitated. I think losing 12 inches of his colon probably saved his career as Dos Santos doesn’t look like a guy easily Mir’d on the ground with as athletic, explosive and hard to keep down he is. Which invariably means Dos Santos would have also shelled Lesnar into the ground inside a round.
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by Urijah Bieber on Jun 14, 2011 3:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Maybe you should do the research on strawman arguments because what I posted was the heart of the argument you were having with SSreporters.
Solid wins over guys with 0 total UFC wins?
they got to the UFC didn’t they.
UFC wins are UFC wins
(that last one can be rewritten mathematically as… wait for it… UFC wins = UFC wins)
You are, of course, wrong. You even admit it when you backtracked "I didn’t say all things were equal.
Relatively speaking, in the UFC, beating someone with a 0% UFC winning percentage is not impressive (Lesnar excepted, of course).
On a related note, when exactly is a good time to use strawman arguments?
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by The Lethal Haze on Jun 14, 2011 1:19 AM EDT up reply actions
When is a good time? when dealing with your haters when asked what you think about them wishing you can fail
UFC wins are UFC wins. They can literally be nothing more and nothing less in a strict sense. They are not of equal standing, but wins in the UFC are wins in the UFC. The guys he beat are not world beaters, but they are better than your average MMA HW and earned their shot in the big show for a reason. Schaub is doing everything he can. He is being given fights and wrecking dudes at this level in impressive fashion. He is asking for fights with guys like Mir and Nog. What else can he do?
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by Urijah Bieber on Jun 14, 2011 2:24 AM EDT up reply actions
look I don't care if you don't like dude
you still gotta wake up tomorrow, and go back to your own personal problems, so laugh at Schaub for a few months whatever ok
as an aside that means nothing – had Sean McCorkle beat Struve the UFC seriously would have given him to Lesnar as a tune up.
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by Urijah Bieber on Jun 14, 2011 12:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Great response. Folks, this is what happens when you’re on the losing side of the discussion.
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It's a Lebron reference
I think
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by Neil Manich on Jun 14, 2011 12:59 AM EDT up reply actions
I just assumed Canadians didn't give a shit about basketball.
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I hate basketball. But I heard about that. And I’ve heard about 30 quality Lebron jokes since they lose. My favorite:
“If Lebron was in Space Jam, the aliens would have won.”
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took me a second to get it
but i l o l’d
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by Urijah Bieber on Jun 14, 2011 2:48 AM EDT up reply actions
lol
I wish there were better “over your head” pics on google image search.
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by Urijah Bieber on Jun 14, 2011 1:02 AM EDT up reply actions
since we're pretending we got that initially
how is either side losing? This is purely subjective opinions being bantered back and forth here. I say Schaub has good movement, hand speed, athleticism and skills and everyone says yea but his opponents suck. I say it doesn’t totally matter because you can still plainly see he has good movement speed and athleticism, and they say yea well his opponents offered by Joe Silva in the Ultimate Fighting Championship are garbage.
No one can “win”. Except me.
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by Urijah Bieber on Jun 14, 2011 1:08 AM EDT up reply actions
I haven't been saying his opponents suck
Not once.
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yea you really haven't said much at all besides
“he doesn’t impress you”
but, I wasn’t talking about only you, or to you at that moment. No need to really disclaimer yourself here.
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by Urijah Bieber on Jun 14, 2011 2:51 AM EDT up reply actions
I went fight by fight explaining why he hadn't impressed
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It means something
As you overvalued the meaning of a win in the UFC. By your logic I think that Gleison Tibau should have gotten a title shot by now as he’s got a lot of wins in the UFC and has a lot of skills!
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that isn't what my logic says. HW is the weakest division in the universe and LW the most stacked. I mentioned the depth of the HW division.
If someone came to me and said Tebau was garbage and gave no real reason why besides the UFC opponents he had beaten and their names, I’d probably think they were being stupid too.
Relativism is a beautiful thing. So is objectivity.
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by Urijah Bieber on Jun 14, 2011 1:04 AM EDT up reply actions
nevermind you are cherry picking I see here.
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by Urijah Bieber on Jun 14, 2011 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions
I cherrypicked from your reply to my comment about his fights against Tuch and Chase
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by SSreporters on Jun 14, 2011 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Reread the chain
You guys were talking about baby-Brock and Gormley the whole time.
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by Neil Manich on Jun 14, 2011 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions
no shit sherlock
that is why I went back and made the cherry picking comment.
Man we should bring back that one. No Shit Sherlock was awesome when I was 12
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I do love calling people Sherlock.
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by Neil Manich on Jun 14, 2011 12:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes he is a douche and yes I do know him in person.
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My 2 least favorite heavyweights
At least Frank Mir knows the art of awesome entrance music.
I hate the guys massive ego…but it does result in him picking entertaining walkout music like ‘Hate me Now’ ‘Amazing’ and ‘In the City’
‘Square Dance’ by Eminem, which is Schaub’s entrance music, is a great song…but doesn’t compare to Mir’s choices.
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by Chris Groves on Jun 14, 2011 1:32 AM EDT up reply actions
i'd actually like to see Big Nog take one of the Hybrids limbs
and then beat him with it for taking this retirement circuit.
But if Schaub beats Nog then Mir is the most linear step to the title, which would atleast make it look like he is somewhat deserving.
Yeah, I agree
But I think I would actually be rooting for Mir in that fight. I’v never rooted for Mir since I’ve started watching.
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by Chris Groves on Jun 14, 2011 1:45 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t know. I think I would like to see the TUF loser of two years ago avenge that loss before he fights for a title eliminator. If you look at the calendar, Cain/JDS should take place in October. If all goes well the SF HWGP should be putting on their semi-finals by then. I would rather see the winner of the HWGP face the winner of Cain/JDS than see the winner of Mir/Schaub face the UFC champ any day of any week with bamboo shoots shoved in my fingernails.
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The HWGP 'winnar' facing the UFC champ is probably dependant on who the winner is
Overeem winning it would be a HUGE marketable fight, but Big Foot Silva winning wouldnt be as sellable, Barnett winning it would bring up the whole oh big surprise the roider won and Werdum winning might have a ‘revenge’ angle to it if Cigano wins but other than that, Cain can say ‘i just beat a guy who knocked him out cold’.
Silva, a guy who squashed Fedor and looks like a gargantuan troll isn't sellable?
This only works if you contend Brazilian fighters straight up cannot be sold.
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by Urijah Bieber on Jun 14, 2011 2:49 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree that if Rogers, Barnett, or Kharitonov win, it's not as marketable
But certainly if Silva, Overeem, or Werdum win, that’s marketable.
Silva has 2 losses, is on a 3 fight win streak, would be a 5 fight streak if he won the GP…and if Werdum upset Overeem only to be beat by Silva…then Silva would have avenged his only loss in years. That would be marketable. A guy named ‘Bigfoot’ is always marketable.
Werdum and Silva both have wins over FEDOR…and one of them would have to beat Overeem, then the other one of them, then the right side winner, to win th GP…that’s a big deal.
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by Chris Groves on Jun 14, 2011 2:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh yeah
GP winner over Mir/Schaub any day.
And yeah, going forward, it would be good for Schaub’s stock to attempt to get that lone loss to Nelson back.
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by Chris Groves on Jun 14, 2011 2:53 AM EDT up reply actions
GP winner over Mir/Schaub any day.
Well yea, I mean, defend Brenden as I may, he is only in this discussion at all because after Cain and JDS, the UFC itself is about as flush with true title contenders as Strikeforce’s WW division is right about now…
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by Urijah Bieber on Jun 14, 2011 2:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Well said
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by Chris Groves on Jun 14, 2011 3:02 AM EDT up reply actions
especially the whole spelling his name wrong
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by Urijah Bieber on Jun 14, 2011 3:21 AM EDT up reply actions
huh?
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by Chris Groves on Jun 14, 2011 3:53 AM EDT up reply actions
I spelled his name wrong
Nobody even takes the time to learn Brandon Schwabs name. Is he really that poorly regarded?
Clay Guida ensured he is now and forever the worlds most exciting and active boring fighter.
by Urijah Bieber on Jun 14, 2011 4:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh
Well I guess so, you seem to like the guy and you’re still screwing his name up.
And everybody else cares so little that they don’t even notice :)
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by Chris Groves on Jun 14, 2011 6:26 AM EDT up reply actions
LO FUCKING L
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It is funny how people tried to deny SF had a much better HW division
yet we have to hear things like this
schuab is good
but not num.1 yet. after seeing jds vs carwin i want carwin vs schaub or carwin vs nelson.
He is just middle of the road talent.
by mmablitzkrieg on Jun 14, 2011 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh, Schaub
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