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UFC 131 Results: FightMetric Reports for Dos Santos vs. Carwin, Florian vs. Nunes, and Maia vs. Munoz

A metaphor for scoring the fight between Demian Maia and Mark Munoz. (Photos by Donald Miralle/Zuffa LLC/Zuffa LLC via Getty Images)

Last night's judging was like watching Manny Ramirez shag flyballs in the outfield. The judges caught some balls hit right at 'em, wandered aimlessly and made an adventure of some routine shots, and completely misplayed others leaving themselves looking foolish and incompetent and making fans wonder why the manager continues to play them in the field instead of hitting as the DH.

As always, FightMetric brings us the gory details:

  • Junior dos Santos turned Shane Carwin's face into a bloody Mark Coleman mask with a huge disparity in the striking stats. Dos Santos outlanded Carwin 104-22 in total strikes and 88-20 in significant strikes, including a knockdown in the first round.
  • Very little grappling in this one. Dos Santos successfully defended two of Carwin's three takedowns, while completing two of his own to close the fight out late in the third round. FightMetric credited him with a pass to side control as well.
  • FightMetric's Effectiveness Score gave dos Santos a 482-110 advantage. Dos Santos scored more than half of his points in the first round, awarding him a 10-8 round.
  • Dos Santos' striking performance moves him to number two in significant strikes landed per minute at 6.79. Number one? UFC heavyweight champion Cain Velasquez at 7.46. Dos Santos and Velasquez are the only fighters above 5.5. According to FightMetric, "[t]he pair also sit atop the rankings in +/-, a stat that subtracts strikes absorbed per minute (SApM) from SLpM."
  • Carwin dropped from number one in significant strikes landed per minute to number eleven. He entered with 7.65 SLpM, and left with 4.44.
  • Kenny Florian started slow in his featherweight debut. While Florian edged Diego Nunes in total strikes in round one (22-15), all of Nunes strikes were significant compared to half of Florian's. Florian turned it up in rounds two and three, outlanding Nunes by a 90-19 margin (31-16 significant strikes) in the two rounds combined.
  • FightMetric scored Demian Maia vs. Mark Munoz a 29-29 draw, with a 10-10 score in the third round.
  • Round one was all striking outside of one failed Munoz takedown attempt. Maia outlanded Munoz in every category, including total strikes (23-7) and significant strikes (20-5).
  • Munoz dominated the second round. He won every striking category, including total strikes (53-4) and significant strikes (28-4), completing a takedown, and being credited for an arm triangle attempt. FightMetric credited Maia for his guillotine.
  • The third round provided ambiguity. Munoz had slight edges in the striking, holding the advantage in total strikes (15-13) and significant strikes (11-8). Munoz completed 2 takedowns, but FightMetric credited Maia for his crank for the crucifix position. FightMetric, which requires a fighter to insert both hooks, did not credit Maia for taking the back.

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Wait a second....

Maia didn’t get any credit for the crucifix? That position is just as much an advantage as having the back “with both hooks in”, maybe more. That’s a little weird…

by Brandon Starr on Jun 12, 2011 2:04 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

He got credit for the submission attempt, but not for the position improvement

by Steve4192 on Jun 12, 2011 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Come on, Munoz obv won the third.

by umbalata on Jun 12, 2011 2:05 PM EDT reply actions  

i personally would have credited Nunes for a second knockdown at the end of the 3rd when Kenny fell to his knee

also, i have no problems with the Maia v Munoz fight being called a draw, that 3rd round was as close as you can get, and each clearly won a round before that.

by darkotto23 on Jun 12, 2011 2:17 PM EDT reply actions  

No points for back control without hooks?

So let me get this straight, when a wrestler takes a dominant wrestling-based position (back ride), he gets no credit for it? What a total crock of BJJ bias. Why should the BJJ positional improvement get rewarded but not the wrestling positional improvement.

Many wrestlers make a conscious decision NOT to sink hooks since that opens them up for reversals. Look at Rich Franklin versus David Loiseau. The Crow built a career off of baiting his opponents into taking his back only to reverse them and slice them up with elbows. Franklin was the first guy to say ‘screw that’ and stick to the wrestling-based back ride, and he absolutely crushed Loiseau with ground and pound from that position. Yet Franklin gets no grappling credit for securing that dominant position? That’s some boolsheet.

by Steve4192 on Jun 12, 2011 2:30 PM EDT reply actions  

Do I sense sarcasm?

Cause as I am sure we are all too well aware of, a wrestler can hang out in guard with sub attempts being thrown up from the bottom all day and yet somehow get awarded a round. So I again assume I am sensing sarcasm.

by HeadKickOfDoom on Jun 12, 2011 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who is talking about MMA scoring?

I’m talking about fightmatrix’s scoring system. Last time I checked, fightmatrix doesn’t determine the outcome of fights.

I’m just saying, their positional scoring algorithm is flawed if it only rewards back control based on whether hooks are in. Last night is a good example. Maia had complete control of Munoz’s back, but got no credit for it because he wasn’t in the traditional ‘hooks in’ position.

by Steve4192 on Jun 12, 2011 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

You mean Fightmetric

And I agree.

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by Derek Suboticki on Jun 12, 2011 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Doh!

Yes, I meant fightmetric.

by Steve4192 on Jun 12, 2011 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

“he absolutely crushed Loiseau with ground and pound from that position.”

I think that’s where he’s getting credit, no?

by Mike Fagan on Jun 12, 2011 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

But he gets no credit for the positional improvement. Just like Maia got no credit for taking Munoz’s back. Positional improvements are supposed to count in and of themselves.

by Steve4192 on Jun 12, 2011 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Email Rami and get his justification for it then instead of complaining about it.

by Mike Fagan on Jun 12, 2011 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

10-10? bleh

the two takedowns equal out the crucifex position

munoz had more strikes

to me… munoz 10-9 in the third

by dbcb on Jun 12, 2011 2:49 PM EDT reply actions  

If you get right back up, doesnt that negate the takedown?

A takedown is an attempt to change where the fight takes place; standing back up is exactly the same….

by Brandon Starr on Jun 12, 2011 7:26 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Normal takedowns should not even count for anything anyway(or at least very little).

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by Kefka on Jun 13, 2011 8:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

question for anyone...
Dos Santos and Velasquez are the only fighters above 5.5.

does this refer specifically to the Heavyweight division or overall in the UFC?

by Victor Rodriguez on Jun 12, 2011 4:20 PM EDT reply actions  

overall and alltime.

It makes sense, those guys throw lots of strikes, and usually don’t spend a lot of time in the octagon.

by Phildo on Jun 12, 2011 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

JDS still needs to tighten up his defense, and he badly telegraphs his uppercut. Since he lowers his guard when throwing that uppercut, he’s one counter punch away from being KO’d.

by Stroma on Jun 13, 2011 4:39 AM EDT reply actions  

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