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Will Nick Diaz Box Jeff Lacy or Challenge GSP for the UFC Title?

Jeff Lacy. Is this Nick Diaz' next opponent?

Strikeforce welterweight champ Nick Diaz has been extremely vocal with his frustration with MMA and Strikeforce's range of opponents in particular. Ever since his KO win over Paul Daley at Strikeforce: Diaz vs Daley, he's been making noise about exercising the option in his SF contract that allows him to take pro-boxing matches.

Various potential opponents have been floated including Fernando Vargas or even Ring World Middleweight Champion Sergio Martinez. Today Jeff Lacy's camp has issued a press release saying their man has signed the contract to fight Diaz.

From the press release:

A few moments ago, former IBF super-middleweight champion & devastating knockout artist, Jeff "Left Hook" Lacy, officially signed on the dotted line to square off against Diaz in the Fall of 2011.

Don Chargin states, "This is a very dangerous fight for both men. Not only is this fight dangerous but stylistically it is very intriguing. I expected more resistance from fight fans and media in regards to this match-up but its amazing as to the hundreds of calls and e-mails I've received from fans on both sides wanting to see this match-up take place. I've received more than a few inquiries from some other very high-profile boxers that want to step up and fight Nick. Its been a real whirlwind."

Chargin continues, "I've been around boxing for quite some time and I've seen a lot of great, tough fighters in my six decades within the sport. I believe that if Nick had been one of those kids who had picked up boxing from a youth, he'd undoubtedly be a world-champion today. Sometime within the next 2 weeks I'll be personally making the trek to Cesar Gracies gym to setup a private, closed door sparring session between Nick and a few nameless top-level contenders I have in mind."

According to BoxRec, Lacy's (25-4)last fight was in January 2010 -- a loss to palooka Dhafir Smith (24-20-5).

Scott Christ has more on Diaz vs Lacy at Bad Left Hook:

Jeff Lacy is 33 years old and hasn't clearly won a fight since 2005. Since then he's been destroyed by Joe Calzaghe, dominated by a fading Jermain Taylor and a shot Roy Jones Jr., and has gotten past the likes of Peter Manfredo Jr., Vitali Tsypko, Otis Griffin and Epifanio Mendoza by the skin of his teeth. Those are third-rate contenders, and all of them had a solid argument for having deserved the duke over Lacy. He has not looked good in almost six years. Injuries have robbed him of his punching power and athleticism.

If you want to buy into this and believe that Jeff Lacy is still a serious contender, that's nice. I'm glad that you enjoyed using him on video games or whatever. But facts are facts, and to ignore what has been staring people in the face for half a decade-plus is foolish.

I'm not saying there's no reason to be interested in this. Considering that Nick Diaz is a novice boxer at best, this is a perfectly fair matchup for him to delve into professional boxing, if it does indeed actually happen. And I realize that fans of both or either sports are going to inevitably, in some circles, treat this like it truly matters. But this is Nick Diaz trying boxing against a guy whose name value is basically zero at this point, and whose skills in the ring are just plain gone. Nothing more, nothing less.

It's important to note that the release (posted in full after the break) says nothing about Diaz signing the contract. There's also no indication that Diaz and his camp have even agreed to the terms. This could be nothing more than a PR stunt by Lacy and his camp or it could be Lacy signing a contract that Diaz and his camp have already verbally agreed to.

This matters because UFC President Dana White is reportedly headed to Stockton, CA to meet with Diaz and his manager/trainer Cesar Gracie with the intent of talking them out of Diaz boxing.

Gracie spoke to MMA Weekly about his fighter's desire to face UFC champ Georges St. Pierre and the possibility that he'll abandon his boxing ambitions if he gets a shot at GSP:

"The way we had the Strikeforce contract that we signed about a year ago, maybe a little less than that, was that here we're going to pay you this much money per fight. It's not quite the kind of money you probably should be making, but you're going to be able to make it up because you're going to be able to do boxing, and that might be the more lucrative deal. There was pluses involved and one of the benefits or bonuses, whatever you want to call it, was being able to box," Gracie explained.

"Now all of a sudden if that's taken away, we need to re-structure the contract maybe, that's the only thing. I'm thinking that Dana's going to be perceptive to this and Nick also working with that. It's just one of those things we all have to sit down and figure it out."
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"It'd be great, best case scenario for us would be Nick boxes and then he goes and fights GSP. But again, the person with the answer, the guys that have the answers to all of this and can make everything happen is Lorenzo Fertitta and Dana White."

The UFC has a vested interest in Nick Diaz NOT boxing Jeff Lacy. There is nothing good for the promotion in one of their top properties risking his reputation against a boxer whose career is on the wane. The UFC desperately needs a compelling challenger for welterweight champion Georges St. Pierre, Diaz is by far the best option on the table.

After GSP's underwhelming performance against Diaz' teammate Jake Shields at UFC 129, the UFC champ's brand may be damaged and a bout with Nick Diaz may be the only cure on the horizon.  See also:

But if he goes out and gets creamed in a boxing match against an old pug like Jeff Lacy, that significantly diminishes the value of a GSP vs Nick Diaz title fight. 

On the other hand, because the Zuffa/UFC business model is utterly dependent on severely stringent contracts, they are almost fetishistic about honoring the contracts they sign. When they purchased Strikeforce they put themselves in a position where they need to honor SF's contracts and do things like allow Diaz to exercise his option to try his hand at pro boxing. 

Will Dana White be able to head off Diaz vs Lacy at the pass? 

Stay tuned to Bloody Elbow for updates. 

UPDATE: Mauro Ranallo tweets:

CG @CesarGracieBJJ tells @mauroranallo that @nickdiaz209's bout with @lefthooklacy has been green-litless than a minute ago via web Favorite Retweet Reply

 

UPDATE: MMA Junkie has the latest:

Yet Diaz's representative today told MMAjunkie.com (www.mmajunkie.com) that the fighter is willing to forgo a trip to the ring in the event that a fight materializes with welterweight champion Georges St-Pierre.

"Barring something like (UFC president) Dana White telling us, 'Hey, we really need you to fight GSP at such-and-such a date and it conflicts with [boxing] - barring that, we're going to fight Lacy," said Diaz manager and trainer Cesar Gracie.

Of the possibility of Diaz vacating the bout with Lacy for a fight with St-Pierre, Gracie said he'd informed Chagrin about the contingency and the promoter would "have to be cool with that."

So everything is riding on the Dana White negotiations.

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The full release from Lacy's camp:

Jeff Lacy Signs to Fight MMA Champion Nick Diaz

May 6, 2011 - The hottest fighter in the mixed martial arts landscape right now is Stocktons own, Nick Diaz. He is currently riding an 11-fight win streak and has been mentioned as a potential super-fight candidate to face-off against UFC welterweight champion George St. Pierre at the end of 2011.

Due to the structuring of Diaz's contract with MMA outfit, Strikeforce, he is in a unique position where he can contractually pursue a professional boxing career in addition to his mixed-martial arts title reign.

While rumors of opponents such as former champions Fernando Vargas and Roy Jones Jr. have been floated around, neither mans team have yet solidified a contract with the young champion.

A few moments ago, former IBF super-middleweight champion & devastating knockout artist, Jeff "Left Hook" Lacy, officially signed on the dotted line to square off against Diaz in the Fall of 2011.

Lacy possesses the type of dangerous punching power in both hands that can end the double digit win streak of the rugged Northern California champion.

Don Chargin states, "This is a very dangerous fight for both men. Not only is this fight dangerous but stylistically it is very intriguing. I expected more resistance from fight fans and media in regards to this match-up but its amazing as to the hundreds of calls and e-mails I've received from fans on both sides wanting to see this match-up take place. I've received more than a few inquiries from some other very high-profile boxers that want to step up and fight Nick. Its been a real whirlwind."

Chargin continues, "I've been around boxing for quite some time and I've seen a lot of great, tough fighters in my six decades within the sport. I believe that if Nick had been one of those kids who had picked up boxing from a youth, he'd undoubtedly be a world-champion today. Sometime within the next 2 weeks I'll be personally making the trek to Cesar Gracies gym to setup a private, closed door sparring session between Nick and a few nameless top-level contenders I have in mind."

Can Jeff Lacy refocus his career to regain the once promising glory that lingered at his fingertips just a few short years back?

Can Nick Diaz's granite chin withstand the devastating punching power of arguably the hardest punching 168-pound fighter on the planet?

These questions will definitely be answered before the end of 2011 as the fight titled, "Breaking History" is fairly self-explanatory.

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Nick Diaz is pure gold.

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by RolloTomasi on May 6, 2011 2:41 PM EDT reply actions  

Stop on

He then flips off the camera man and calls him a bitch for staring at him.

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by TheFilt on May 6, 2011 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

dammit

I meant ‘spot on’.

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by TheFilt on May 6, 2011 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha

epic win/fail

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by Sterling Archer on May 6, 2011 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

He got up.

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by RolloTomasi on May 6, 2011 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Watch the fight again. Daley only knocked him down once with about 1:25 left. The first was a slip as he was ducking punches.

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by memitim on May 6, 2011 2:49 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

Maybe he was thinking of when Zaromskis also nearly KO'd him then

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by Urijah Bieber on May 6, 2011 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Uhmm, yeah, that never happened either.

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by memitim on May 6, 2011 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

dag, MMA fans really do have short memories

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by Urijah Bieber on May 7, 2011 1:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

I remember fine. He was never close to KO’ing him. Not remotely.

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by memitim on May 7, 2011 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't remember that at all.

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by Neil Manich on May 6, 2011 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

don't feel bad though dude

this fight and that particular knockdown seriously has magical properties that cause every to forget it ever happened. I myself was reminded of it once in exactly the same way in a thread with a gif just like this. Odd.

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by Urijah Bieber on May 7, 2011 1:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

I remembered this

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by Derek Suboticki on May 7, 2011 1:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

I have serious doubts that Nick’s superb MMA boxing would translate well over to the traditional boxing ring.

I’d would also be the first one in line to watch him try and put Lacey on his ass.

by jaybot on May 6, 2011 2:44 PM EDT reply actions  

Would this be the first high profile mixed martial artist trying out boxing?

I mean wasn’t Toney the first high profile fighter to try out MMA? So if Diaz loses, the score would be 1-1, and if he wins, it would be MMA 2, boxing 0.

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by ScoreCardOTN on May 6, 2011 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I suspect GSP/Diaz is pencilled in as the co-headliner for Velasquez vs dos Snatos/Lesnar

A 1,000,000+ buy PPV card would have Nick rolling in the benjamin’s

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by MattParker117 on May 6, 2011 2:44 PM EDT reply actions  

I'd rather see him fight Lacey

to tell the truth. It’s more intriguing and exciting. No matter who the opponent is, a GSP fight will never be exciting. GSP is immuned to exciting fights. I don’t care to see Diaz wrestle fucked.

by barpower on May 6, 2011 2:50 PM EDT reply actions  

that bait

was just too tasty to pass up, i guess.

by Clifford J on May 6, 2011 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

lulz

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by SentientAndroid on May 6, 2011 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

And I maintain that this lull was not his fault

He’s faced one defensive fighter after another content to survive and lose the decision. Imagine Silva facing Leites four times in a row. GSP did what he could.

This is what happens when you try chasing a knockout:

If they actually tried to win rounds or TKO GSP, then there would have been more action. There’s a reason that Jon Fitch landed more strikes to GSP’s head than Alves, Koscheck, and Hardy combined: He was trying to win, and that’s why it was a FOTN.

The only way GSP could make those other fights more exciting is by intentionally losing, as he unfortunately can’t dance like Silva can.

by paythefighters on May 7, 2011 2:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

*Jon Fitch landed more strikes from striking distance, that is. Other opponents have landed some pitter patter punches from the ground

by paythefighters on May 7, 2011 2:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Who was the last person that got "wrestle fucked" by GSP?

This meme has gotten ridiculous.

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by Damon O. on May 6, 2011 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dan Hardy

Thiago Alves
BJ Penn
Fitch

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by RolloTomasi on May 6, 2011 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

If I remember correctly "Wrestle Fucking" is what Nik Lentz does

Don’t remember any of these fights looking like that.

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by Damon O. on May 6, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

OK Wrestle-coasting?

Finishing Lite?
Boo boos-not owies?

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by RolloTomasi on May 6, 2011 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

BJ Penn who was beaten to shit and had to quit on the stool?

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by Brent Brookhouse on May 6, 2011 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

By getting pinned to the fence and banged on from top position.

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by RolloTomasi on May 6, 2011 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

What's wrong with that?

That’s not wrestle-fucking in the least. Aldo did that to Hominick.

by paythefighters on May 7, 2011 2:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think there is a misudnerstanding

I don’t think Rollo means wrestlefucking = LNP. Just wrestlefucking = you got fucked because of his wrestling

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by sitnam90 on May 7, 2011 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or Fitch, who was dropped multiple times. Or Alves, which contrary to popular belief had extended periods of GSP winning the standup.

And all 3 of the above had their faces smashedd into hamburgers

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by sitnam90 on May 6, 2011 3:41 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

alves was dropped on the feet once in that fight

and quite literally had a black ear the next day

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by Urijah Bieber on May 6, 2011 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

the only disapointing fights gsp has had were hardy and shields

i wish the others werent decisions but hell gsp beat the shit outta kos, alves, and fitch

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by milk72 on May 6, 2011 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Truthfully, i wish so true

I’m about as much of a GSP nuthugger as can be, but I’d love to see a finish. With that said, all this shit about him being boring or more of an athlete then a fighter is ridiculous. Anderson had 3 boring decisions, noone calls him an ‘athlete’. GSP paralyzed Kos’s face. That is surely the stuff of ‘athletes’

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by sitnam90 on May 6, 2011 6:28 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

how many flash ko's does gsp have?

thats why no one calls andy boring

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by Sterling Archer on May 7, 2011 8:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Okay

What about being an athelete vs a fighter? I understand some people need flash KO’s to get their wood up for a fight, but beating the crap out of someone and not finishing doesn’t mean your not a ‘fighter.’

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by sitnam90 on May 7, 2011 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

ill never say that hes not a fighter

im a fan of gsp, the guy is a model athlete. im just making a point that need be made.

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by Sterling Archer on May 7, 2011 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep


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by Damon O. on May 6, 2011 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Totally

The bj Penn fight was very exciting, that was a beating. If you didn’t think so your either a huge bj fan or blind

by 1N87 on May 6, 2011 4:36 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

that was 7 years ago....

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by RolloTomasi on May 6, 2011 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

and how many punches and elbows did he have to clock Jay with and still didn’t the KO? Jay was pretty damn green at that point in his career also. Look at how low he drops his hands after punching too. Anderson would beat his ass, bad.

by Str8_right on May 6, 2011 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh god

I hope this was a joke.

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by ElliotMatheny on May 6, 2011 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah i mean that fight was only like...

7 years ago…shessh people and their short memory spans

by C.A.M. on May 6, 2011 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yea, short memory spans



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by Damon O. on May 6, 2011 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

The problem with those fights is he didn't finish.

I’m not saying I agree, but that’s the problem.

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by RolloTomasi on May 6, 2011 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Damon O is correct

If all you care about is the finish then you believe the Mir/Cro Crop fight is better then Edgar/Maynard or Pettis/Henderson. That is ridiculous.

by malkav on May 6, 2011 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

No

He’s he’d rather not see a finish.

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by TheFilt on May 6, 2011 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

But seeing someone getting their ass kicked and finished is VERY entertaining

by Str8_right on May 6, 2011 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

It can be

but it also be super boring

by malkav on May 6, 2011 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

what?

How can watching a fight where one man gets his ass beat handidly AND eventually tko’d/ko’d or subbed possbily be boring???

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by SentientAndroid on May 6, 2011 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Coleman v Rua 2

But I get your sentiment

by Armleglegarm Head on May 6, 2011 5:09 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Look at those COMBOS!

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by RolloTomasi on May 6, 2011 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

The funny thing

is how people talk about how Coleman/ Rua like Mark was about to win that fight. It’s just asinine. Shogun dropped his ass in the 1st round (IIRC) and was hurting Mark every time he touched him. Any judge who were to score that for Coleman would be completely incompetent.

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by ElliotMatheny on May 6, 2011 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am really really impressed

On how many times you can inject the word asinine into a post.

by vicesquad26 on May 7, 2011 4:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Once?

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by RolloTomasi on May 7, 2011 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

No

He’s saying he’d rather a fighter win in one-sided grinding decision cause it proves more.

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by TheFilt on May 6, 2011 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

you're right

I misread/didn’t read there

by malkav on May 6, 2011 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Now you're putting words in my mouth.

Didn’t say anything about a grinding decision. This statement is an assumption on your part.

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by Damon O. on May 6, 2011 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Didn't try to

Its just how I (mis)read it.

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by TheFilt on May 6, 2011 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Where did I say I'd rather not see a finish?

When I said fuck a finish, I’m talking about this deluded notion that finishing a fight is the only thing that makes a fighter worth a damn. It’s ridiculous. Like everything outside of a highlight KO or crazy submission isn’t worth shit. If that were the case, many of Kid Nate’s Judo chops wouldn’t have happened.

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by Damon O. on May 6, 2011 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

My bad

I thought you literally meant ‘fuck finishes’.

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by TheFilt on May 6, 2011 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Shogun vs. Lil Nog went to a decision.

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by pdl on May 6, 2011 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

/thread

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by Damon O. on May 6, 2011 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

that’s just b/c that have insanly hard chins. A ton of those punches would have put many other fighters out. Plus they were GOING for the finish, not just laying on top of each other trying to score as many points as possible. One reason I think at some point Japanese rules need to be considered as alternative option

by Str8_right on May 6, 2011 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

You mean like Fitch’s insane chin?

Or Alves’ insane chin, who was only ever dropped by GSP (aside from walking into Fitch’s upkick?).

Or Shields insane chin, who was still defending well after Hendo’s bomb?

Or Hardy’s gumby joints?

And when did GSP lay on anyone and not going for a finish? He may not have gone for damage against Hardy, but he went for the finish repeatedly, and that’s just one fight anyway.

by paythefighters on May 7, 2011 2:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

I love me a good 15 or 25 minute war

But finishes should always be the goal, IMO.

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by TheFilt on May 6, 2011 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

I sorta agree

I can enjoy a good decision if theres a lot of action and the fitch gsp fights is probably one of my favorites to watch. But his last 3 fights i just feel like he wasn’t active enough. He just seems to be coasting imo

by C.A.M. on May 6, 2011 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

that is silly.

In the old school ufc that’s what they call a draw.

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by the-gentle-way on May 6, 2011 3:36 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

If fighting is at the heart of the sport

Finishes would be the most valued aspect. After all, in a fight, you don’t win point and there’s no time limit. Not to mention the threat of serious injury.

Even Firas Zahabi says all fighters should be going for the finish out of safety alone.

Its like the 50-50 whuard. How is that gonna help you in real life? I understand its a game, but I’m just sayin’.

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by TheFilt on May 6, 2011 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Beating someones ass and making them look foolish in the process > a run of the mill KO/TKO/Submission

By that standard, Anderson should have gotten praise for the Thales and Damian fights

by Str8_right on May 6, 2011 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

He did a Maia impression

while fight Maia

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by TheFilt on May 6, 2011 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Beat his ass? Debatable

Made Maia (and himself) look foolish? Yes

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by Damon O. on May 6, 2011 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

as far as Anderson looking foolish, so me ANY other fighter in the UFC capable and willing to pull that shit off in the middle of a title fight

by Str8_right on May 6, 2011 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

It was plenty of both


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by TheFilt on May 6, 2011 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Did GSP get his ass beat by Shields?

Just sayin’, a busted up face =/= getting your ass beat. Did he completely show that he was on another level compared to Maia? Definitetly. But an ass beating is Aldo vs. Faber, Penn vs. Sanchez, or McLovin vs. Rick Story.

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by Damon O. on May 6, 2011 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Holy fuck

Dude, he broke his nose in the first round and dropped him with a flying knee while apparently not trying.

Tell me, what do you consider an ass whooping.

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by TheFilt on May 6, 2011 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Did GSP get his ass beat by Shields?

not sure what that has to do with anything…GSP’s face wasnt that screwed up. Where Im from, you look at Maia after that fight and look at Anderson and ask who won, guaranteed response is that Maia got his ass beat.

by Str8_right on May 6, 2011 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

But an ass beating is Aldo vs. Faber, Penn vs. Sanchez, or McLovin vs. Rick Story.

Throw in Big Foot vs Fedor as well.

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by Untitled_Artistry on May 6, 2011 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

that still hurts me to think about :(

by Str8_right on May 6, 2011 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

its ok it never really happened

Fine! I'll go build my own lunar lander, with blackjack and hookers. In fact, forget the lunar lander and the blackjack.

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by gxc on May 6, 2011 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Very sad, but it happened...

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by Untitled_Artistry on May 6, 2011 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

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by RolloTomasi on May 6, 2011 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks to some bs plot device

Anderson Silva, Edson Barboza, Jose Aldo, Charles Oliveira, Thiago Alves = Muay Thai wrecking machines!

by SentientAndroid on May 9, 2011 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

all i see is an undefeated wink!

::tried to keep a stiff upper lip::

Fine! I'll go build my own lunar lander, with blackjack and hookers. In fact, forget the lunar lander and the blackjack.

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by gxc on May 6, 2011 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Antime you got your nose broken,

eyes closed and are forced to crawl after your opponent, you just got your ass beat.

If someone did that to you, would you consider your ass whooped?

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by TheFilt on May 6, 2011 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Oddly

I don’t see GSP on this list of ass beatings. Just sayin’.

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by TheFilt on May 6, 2011 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fitch vs GSP

That was an ass beating.

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by sitnam90 on May 6, 2011 6:47 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

eh, I enjoyed it

Maia got thoroughly clowned, but I also didn’t pay $60 to see it, so again *eh.

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by SentientAndroid on May 6, 2011 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

It is sad

That it took ten hours to green this.

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by Derek Suboticki on May 7, 2011 1:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

so unless you finish a fight it’s not exciting? Because that’s the argument here is that GSP has not been in an exciting fight in like 3-4 years.

My thing is I would love to see GSP finish but we have a bunch of dumb posters now that ignore the whole fight except that GSP didnt get the finish.

You wanna make a case the Dan Hardy fight was boring fine but dont tell me how boring the Jon Fitch or Thiago Alves fights were because that is plain bs.

by bigdmmafan on May 6, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

i liked the fitch fight

thought alves fight was boring

by dbcb on May 6, 2011 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

so were the two fights after alves

by Str8_right on May 6, 2011 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol you posted a gif of gsp doing a kimura wrong as proof he is a finisher?

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by the-gentle-way on May 6, 2011 3:44 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

lol you missed the entire point of the argument.

Nothing was said about finishes. He said that GSP is immune to exciting fights. Reading is fundamental.

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by Damon O. on May 6, 2011 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was more excited that Hardy was able to get out

and more disappointed GSP couldn’t end the fight right there

by Str8_right on May 6, 2011 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah but that is the wrong kind of exciting.

Like I got all excited and was yelling at the screen " what are you doing! You don’t know how to armbar or kimura? " because that wasn’t the only sub gsp messed up when it was there for the taking. See that’s not good exciting.

And then Condit KOs hardy in his very next, very awesome , very exciting fight.

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by the-gentle-way on May 6, 2011 4:28 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Off topic but

if Koscheck and Fitch had any brains they’d fight each other. Neither one can beat GSP anyway and they’d make alot of dough on that story’s build up.

by Daveyboy on May 6, 2011 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I miss this gsp

there was no trying to outpoint or trying not to lose…

all he thought was “FINISH!”

by dbcb on May 6, 2011 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

He doesn't have the will to finish anymore

Look what Condit did to him. And that fight wasn’t exciting to me.

by barpower on May 6, 2011 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hardy had no respect for Condit

He was defensive against GSP, keeping his head out of danger and rolling with punches. He never even landed a punch standing. Against Condit, he thought he had Mark Hunt’s skull:

"He’s gonna step in there thinking he can fight me like he has fought everybody else, and I’ll hit him one time and change his mind – if he’s still awake. I could beat him any day of the week, whenever, wherever. I don’t see anything in his game that concerns me. He’s not gonna hurt me with his striking, if he even lands a punch.

“He’s scrappy and he’s wild. I could close my eyes and throw a punch in any direction and it would still hit him in the face.

by paythefighters on May 7, 2011 2:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

GSP POST FIGHT KO'd

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by Untitled_Artistry on May 6, 2011 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

ah yes, and that’s why they called him “Rush”…

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by SentientAndroid on May 6, 2011 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

now they call him

georges “judges score card” st pierre

Jonny Bench called.

by Sterling Archer on May 7, 2011 8:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

haha

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by SentientAndroid on May 9, 2011 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Lacy's last fight was in December 2010

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by JCS_FM on May 6, 2011 2:57 PM EDT reply actions  

I think it makes more sense for him to box first

because if he fights george first their going to make him sign a contract, so win or lose he won’t be able to go box until its up, where as if he boxes first he can still go fight gsp if he wins.

by C.A.M. on May 6, 2011 2:57 PM EDT reply actions  

it shows

just exactly how washed up and irrelevant he is in the boxing world. This fight is of no interest to boxing fans. Zero.

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by Nate Wilcox on May 6, 2011 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

what?

A mma champion is going to finally step in the boxing ring with a legtimate pro boxer and you don’t think the boxing world will care?

by C.A.M. on May 6, 2011 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

Boxing fans were fully engaged to James Toney who(while he did have a much more legitimate prime) is similarly considered a has been and a joke to modern fans. Boxing fans will take note for sure. Will all of them? No. Will very many? Absolutely.

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by Urijah Bieber on May 6, 2011 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m not sure Lacy ever had a prime.

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by TheFilt on May 6, 2011 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

he was pretty good in the EA game :)

by Str8_right on May 6, 2011 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I read a lot of commentary before that whole thing to that effect from boxing fans brent

he was about five or six years from his last relevant win, and with all the steroids and everything Toney was fast approaching Joke status.

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by Urijah Bieber on May 6, 2011 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Because he got fat and was punch drunk

The reason no top HW would fight Toney was because he was still a legit threat.

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by TheFilt on May 6, 2011 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know a lot about boxing but

I remember watching the Oquendo fight I believe it was live and thinking Toney was pretty well shot. Bad, bad decision.

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by Urijah Bieber on May 6, 2011 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

He looked pretty good in a lot of fights leading up to it

He just didn’t belong at HW. He let himself turn into a lazy blob, partly because of his style of fighting.

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by TheFilt on May 6, 2011 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pretty amazing though that a fat, and out of shape middleweight was competitve with most contemporary Heavyweights though…almost like some Russian MMA fighter we all know and love.

by Str8_right on May 6, 2011 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or the old BJ Penn :P

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by TheFilt on May 6, 2011 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

toney is one of the most naturally skilled boxers ever

he just handled the past 5-10 years absolutely terribly

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by milk72 on May 6, 2011 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

My best friend is Scott Christ of Bad Left Hook…we talked about that fight plenty. I covered boxing prior to starting at BE (i was an MMA fan just didn’t have a place to write about it). I’m aware of boxing fan opinions.

Yes, his recent career had been a bit of a mess…but to say he was a joke is wrong. He is one of the best fighters of the past 20 years, that saves you from “joke” status IMO. He was a guy on the downside of his career but he wasn’t like Lacy, a brutally protected fighter who got trounced when it got time to play with the big boys.

I think most of the “joke” status stuff with Toney was people being defensive of the sport and thinking the idea as a whole was a joke.

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by Brent Brookhouse on May 6, 2011 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I feel you there

my original post meant to speak to that. At this point, Shamrock is a joke. He had a legit career. I know Toney was one of the all time greats and Lacy was never even great really. But both similarly garner little interest from boxing fans these days. That is all my point was. If boxing fans were reengaged to see Toney fight an MMA guy, they might be engaged to see Lacy box an MMA guy.

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by Urijah Bieber on May 6, 2011 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

See. I think it’s quite the opposite.

Toney fighting an MMA guy was a way to answer some of the “I wonder how a boxer would do?” questions. Lacy fighting an MMA guy is being seen as “they’re trying to go after a boxer that is shot”

At least looking at the immediate reaction by boxing fans over at BLH

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by Brent Brookhouse on May 6, 2011 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

that is what the reaction from MMA fans has been too mostly

but I just still think morbid curiosity would bring eyes from both sports to this fight(that will never ever happen anyway)

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by Urijah Bieber on May 6, 2011 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

If that’s there attitude its pretty freakin stupid. Even if Lacy’s shot, he’s facing a boxing neophyte in Nick Diaz. Lacy’s exactly the entry level type fighter Diaz should face to gauge where he’s at.

by Robust23 on May 6, 2011 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

How is it stupid for them to not care about the fight because they feel that Diaz is trying to get a fight with a “shot” boxer? They should care what an MMA guy they have no interest in does against a guy that is off the radar?

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by Brent Brookhouse on May 6, 2011 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have no problem with them not caring. What I do think is stupid is people thinking, as you say, "they’re trying to go after a boxer that is shot".
If its irrelevant to them they don’t have to watch, but this isn’t a scheme by the MMA world or Nick Diaz to try and prove anything to anyone.
This is Nick Diaz trying his hand at boxing, and if he wants to fight an entry level dude that’s fine. I’d watch it to see how he does in boxing

by Robust23 on May 6, 2011 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

That like comparing Apples and Dog Biscuits though

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by Damon O. on May 6, 2011 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

No. it’s the fact that Lacy is shot to shit and can’t beat journeymen at this point in his career.

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by Brent Brookhouse on May 6, 2011 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

So because his last fight was 5 months ago

the fight’s not interesting? Have you looked at his record, have you seen his opponents? It might not mean much in terms of ranking, but Lacey is no joke, and who would you rather see diaz fight in boxing? Sergio Mora, maybe Paquiao. Get out of here, let him get his wings, this is his first fight.

I’ll tell you what, it will be ten times more exciting than a GSP fight.

by barpower on May 6, 2011 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

If he fights Lacy...

I hope he gets ktfo so no other good MMA fighters thinks they can just cross over and be worth a shit in boxing.

by dbcb on May 6, 2011 3:01 PM EDT reply actions  

Why would you want that?

Your not interested in how guys like AS, JDS, or Frankie Edgar would do in boxing?

by C.A.M. on May 6, 2011 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

You can watch a lot of footage of Anderson sparring pros

He’s really really good. Tricky ass mofo.

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by TheFilt on May 6, 2011 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nope

I care how guys like AS, JDS, and Frankie Edgar would do against Okami, Lesnar, and Maynard.

I give two shits how they would do against washed up boxers

by dbcb on May 6, 2011 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

dude. Anyone that wants to try their hand at another trade should be allowed. Reem did Kickboxing, hell, Lesnar even tried to make it the NFL. And there is no shortage of football players, wrestlers, and kickboxers who have made their way to MMA. If these guys wanna try and box, why the F do you care. And if you expect them to debut against an elite boxer your bein stupid. If he wants to guage where he is he should do it against an entry level dude. Depending on how he performs he moves forward.
Seriously why the hostility

by Robust23 on May 6, 2011 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Silva may do okay against gatekeeper types, JDS…it’s hard to say honestly but let’s not pretend he’s a “world champ”

Edgar though? Edgar would get tooled.

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by Brent Brookhouse on May 6, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

no doubt, all we have to do is watch gray vs edgar 2 for that. That fight would’ve been stopped rnd 1 in boxing. Also with the smaller ring, elite boxers would wreck edgar. lets not confuse boxing with MMA and believe anyone whose good with one can easily transition to another. Lacey is over rated and has lost his ability to throw his signature power punches. Really his has nothing left to give.

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by LowkickGreed on May 6, 2011 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

with how quickly Edgar’s striking has imorved do you think if he was a life long boxer he could have been good? Or is it more he improved so much because he had so much room to improve? Just curious

by schm1583 on May 6, 2011 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why so anti-crossover?

Reem did it in K-1
Why would it be bad?
If anything it would be great for boxing.

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by RolloTomasi on May 6, 2011 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

while I agree on the appeal of the fight, Reem beat the best kickboxers in the world to and can claim to be the best in the world in kickboxing. It only be comparable if Diaz was fighting Pacman for the Super Middleweight belt

by Str8_right on May 6, 2011 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

a few things

This fight never ever happens. The UFC will see to that. Even if GSP and Diaz don’t fight next, the UFC will import a Carlos Condit type to Strikeforce to keep Nick happy.

What is with this GSP Brand being damaged stuff I keep reading? Maybe to some hardcores sure, but the fight was strictly standing, GSP was half blind, and GSP rocked him several times. All the casuals I talked to didn’t feel it was boring. The Hooters I was at in Bloomington Illinois(no where near Canada) erupted in applause when his name was read off as the victor. His brand is fine.

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by Urijah Bieber on May 6, 2011 3:01 PM EDT reply actions  

everyone at my winghouse

including the 5 people I was sitting with were bored out of their minds. It deflated the awesome action throughout the rest of the crowd.

The whole bar was pretty bitter.

by dbcb on May 6, 2011 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

ya?

I was in a noisy bar and didn’t know the extent of his eye injury, so while I was vocal about him being boring at the time, everyone from my girlfriend to all the GSP fans around me were like “dude shut up GSP rules”

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by Urijah Bieber on May 6, 2011 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

girlfriend

I mean my wife. Whoops. Gulp

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by Urijah Bieber on May 6, 2011 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don’t worry, none of us believe that you have a wife or a girlfriend.

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haha

life partner then

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by Urijah Bieber on May 6, 2011 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol

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by Bonedoctor on May 6, 2011 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

My friends who don't follow MMA as much as I do don't want to chip in on a UFC PPV

if GSP is fighting.
If that tells you anything.

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by RolloTomasi on May 6, 2011 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Other than my friends being STANDBANG fans.

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by RolloTomasi on May 6, 2011 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

but that was before this last fight right?

standbang fans probably liked this last one. GSP didn’t score takedowns, was tested a little bit, and got a knockdown in the fourth off a head kick. What would this fight do to damage his brand that the last few wouldn’t have?

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by Urijah Bieber on May 6, 2011 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Last two fights were more STAND and less BANG.

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by RolloTomasi on May 6, 2011 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

STANDBANG fans.

they like upright porn?

by Str8_right on May 6, 2011 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

who dosen't?

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by RolloTomasi on May 6, 2011 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Look at the reaction to the last UFC

Everyone was jerking off to all the fights with awesome finishes. A spinning backfist, an awesome elbow…then what happened? A boring methodical decision.

People want awesome standandbang fights; they just are scared to admit it.

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by Farthammer on May 6, 2011 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

GSP keeps doing good buyrates, and reportedly GSP/Shields is going to be another strong number, so GSP just keeps delivering for Zuffa in the money departement.

by ChicagoMMAFan on May 6, 2011 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

this fight of all the recent ones won't hurt the brand

if anything, ppv buyers will remember how awesome the over all show was. it was a stand up fight that had drama and knockdowns, and I don’t think it will tremendously impact future GSP buyrates negatively. is there any data that says it will?

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by Urijah Bieber on May 6, 2011 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

all i've heard

is the early Meltzer estimate that puts it a little under 1m… that is with the caveat that it’s the early estimates and they can vary.

by ChicagoMMAFan on May 6, 2011 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

That Hooters in Bloomington is quality. I go to ISU and we usually go there or Buffalo Wild Wings for the fights.

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by ChiCubs23 on May 6, 2011 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

What a disaster

This is a career defining moment for Diaz.

by Coeman on May 6, 2011 3:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Nick could be risking a $1,000,000+ payday taking the Lacy fight

GSP is a huge PPV draw and coupled with a Velasquez/dos Santos type of fight is a must buy PPV for fight fans. I don’t see how fighting a washed up idiot is going to makehim more money than that.

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by MattParker117 on May 6, 2011 3:06 PM EDT reply actions  

For a couple of supposed bad asses, Cesar Gracie and Nick Diaz sure hand pick opponents. So he’ll fight Jeff Lacey (who’s completley shot), but he won’t fight Tyron Woodley or Mayhem Miller? Hey, if the pay is equal, go for the Lacy fight. It’s easy money. But don’t try to tell me you’re some fierce warrior who will take on all comers.

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by Brian Mayes on May 6, 2011 3:08 PM EDT reply actions  

“The fuck is this ‘great man to ever live shit’?”

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by TheFilt on May 6, 2011 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I wish I could share the details of this. It was hilarious for me, scary as shit for some others.

by Jonathan Snowden on May 6, 2011 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

As a huge Diaz fan

I’m not sure if I’m jealous. I’m inclined to say yes, but I might have peed. Just a little.

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by TheFilt on May 6, 2011 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Are you and Kid Nate hinting that Diaz confronted you about something you wrote?

Come on you can’t say “I wish I could share the details” and not share them, cause that is practically sharing the first detail and then leaving out all the rest, which is super unfair!!!!!

by Luke Nelson on May 6, 2011 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I didn’t say he wasn’t an awesome fighter. But his whole “I’ll fight anyone anywhere” crap just doesn’t fly when you are picking out the easiest fights possible for yourself. If I was Nick Diaz and had a choice to either fight Jeff Lacey or Tyron Woodley, I’d fight Jeff Lacey too. That doesn’t quite jive with Diaz’s public persona though.

In the clearing stands a boxer And a fighter by his trade And he carries the reminders Of ev'ry glove that layed him down Or cut him till he cried out In his anger and his shame "I am leaving, I am leaving" But the fighter still remains

by Brian Mayes on May 6, 2011 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nick has been talking about being a boxer since before Tyron Woodley (Who?) was even a professional MMA fighter. By the way, there’s nothing that indicates to me that anyone has ever once approached Nick Diaz about fighting Tyron Woodley.

by Jonathan Snowden on May 6, 2011 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why would any org want the fight?

Who is Woodley and who has he beaten?

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by TheFilt on May 6, 2011 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who was the last wrestler that Nick has fought?

It’s pretty convienent that the fights with Hieron, Woodley and Mayhem all fell apart.

In the clearing stands a boxer And a fighter by his trade And he carries the reminders Of ev'ry glove that layed him down Or cut him till he cried out In his anger and his shame "I am leaving, I am leaving" But the fighter still remains

by Brian Mayes on May 6, 2011 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

He’s a heck of a lot better opponent than Cyborg Santos or KJ Noons, I can tell you that much.

In the clearing stands a boxer And a fighter by his trade And he carries the reminders Of ev'ry glove that layed him down Or cut him till he cried out In his anger and his shame "I am leaving, I am leaving" But the fighter still remains

by Brian Mayes on May 6, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good thing he's not limited to them

And I’m not sure that’s true. Woodley could easily lose to Cyborg.

I’m not sure anyone has actually been watching Woodley fight, but he’s not that good. There’s a reason he is unranked, just like all(8) of his opponents.

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by TheFilt on May 6, 2011 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ve watched Woodley’s entire professional career. Do I think he would beat Nick Diaz? No. But he would give him a very hard, frustrating fight, which is what pretty much what happens every time Diaz fights a wrestler.

In the clearing stands a boxer And a fighter by his trade And he carries the reminders Of ev'ry glove that layed him down Or cut him till he cried out In his anger and his shame "I am leaving, I am leaving" But the fighter still remains

by Brian Mayes on May 6, 2011 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

From a promotional standpoint

and even a competitive one, the fight just doesn’t make sense to me.

Nick is the #6 WW in the world and on a white hot streak, why put him in there with an unknown and unranked prospect?

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by TheFilt on May 6, 2011 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

the only thing is that it satisfys the people who are saying that diaz is ducking wrestlers

although hes fighting a prospect who honestly looks like nothing special, and that theres only a handful of people bringing the argument that diaz is ducking wrestlers anyway

basically though i agree with you, there is absolutely no point for diaz to fight woodley. noone wants that fight

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by milk72 on May 6, 2011 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

because he is the most known and highest ranked fighter in your organization

oh wait….

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by Urijah Bieber on May 6, 2011 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly

Woodley was probably thrilled with the by-out, then sick to his stomach once he realized no one had interest in him fighting for a title.

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by TheFilt on May 6, 2011 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

From a promotional standpoint and even a competitive one, the fight just doesn’t make sense to me.

Nick is the #6 WW in the world and on a white hot streak, why put him in there with an unknown and unranked prospect?

You do realize that Nick just had a somewhat competitive fight like 3 months ago with the 18-14 Evangelista Santos, right?

In the clearing stands a boxer And a fighter by his trade And he carries the reminders Of ev'ry glove that layed him down Or cut him till he cried out In his anger and his shame "I am leaving, I am leaving" But the fighter still remains

by Brian Mayes on May 6, 2011 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Define somewhat competitive

I saw a second round submission over a black belt, after he dominated the stand up.

Way to change the subject. Fact of the matter is the fight makes no sense to anyone but Diaz critics.

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by TheFilt on May 6, 2011 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Diaz lost the first round and the second round was back and forth before Santos got tapped.

The reason I brought it up was that you were implying that there was no point in Diaz fighting Woodley, both competitively and promotionaly. That doesn’t really hold up when Diaz just fought a journeyman 3 months ago.

In the clearing stands a boxer And a fighter by his trade And he carries the reminders Of ev'ry glove that layed him down Or cut him till he cried out In his anger and his shame "I am leaving, I am leaving" But the fighter still remains

by Brian Mayes on May 6, 2011 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dude

Cyborg is way more dangerous than Woodley and he won easily on two rounds.

You still haven’t answered the question.

Why should the #6 WW in the world fight an unranked and unknown opponent?

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by TheFilt on May 6, 2011 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t consider a guy who’s been stopped 10 times in his career a “dangerous” opponent for any elite fighter.

Why should the #6 ranked WW fight someone unranked and unknown? Because it’s the best challenger available in his division in the organization he’s fighting in, that’s why.

In the clearing stands a boxer And a fighter by his trade And he carries the reminders Of ev'ry glove that layed him down Or cut him till he cried out In his anger and his shame "I am leaving, I am leaving" But the fighter still remains

by Brian Mayes on May 6, 2011 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dangerous

as in literally dangerous. As in cause serious injury and pain.

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by TheFilt on May 6, 2011 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Because it’s the best challenger available in his division in the organization he’s fighting in, that’s why.

Looks like its not.

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by TheFilt on May 6, 2011 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

and that my friends is how you win an argument on BE.

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by the-gentle-way on May 6, 2011 11:56 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

yea i get that feeling as well

when tarec saffeidene is pushing you to your absolute limit you have absolutely nothing for nick diaz

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by milk72 on May 6, 2011 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

He lost that Coy fight

I was 30 feet away from the cage while it happened, watching as a Woodley fan.

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by TheFilt on May 6, 2011 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

to be fair

I don’t think he scared of those guys, he just dosen’t want a boring fight, which is probably the reason he didn’t want heiron as well

by C.A.M. on May 6, 2011 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nick Diaz usually loses in boring fights. Just sayin’……

In the clearing stands a boxer And a fighter by his trade And he carries the reminders Of ev'ry glove that layed him down Or cut him till he cried out In his anger and his shame "I am leaving, I am leaving" But the fighter still remains

by Brian Mayes on May 6, 2011 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Mike Aina fight comes immediatley to mind.

FWIW, I was reffering to what Diaz himself thinks of as a “boring fight”, which consists of him being put on his back over and over again and losing a decision. Think of the Sanchez fight, the Riggs fight or the Sherk fight.

In the clearing stands a boxer And a fighter by his trade And he carries the reminders Of ev'ry glove that layed him down Or cut him till he cried out In his anger and his shame "I am leaving, I am leaving" But the fighter still remains

by Brian Mayes on May 6, 2011 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Mike Aina fight comes immediatley to mind.

Out of 32 fights, that’s not bad.

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by TheFilt on May 6, 2011 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s not what happened in the Riggs fight and the Sanchez fight was boring only in the mind of “Brian Mayes: Shut in/Internet SUPER FAN.”

by Jonathan Snowden on May 6, 2011 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Do you have any reading comprehension whatsoever Snowden? I said DIAZ thought the fights were boring. For crying out loud, Diaz-Sanchez is one of my favorite fights ever.

In the clearing stands a boxer And a fighter by his trade And he carries the reminders Of ev'ry glove that layed him down Or cut him till he cried out In his anger and his shame "I am leaving, I am leaving" But the fighter still remains

by Brian Mayes on May 6, 2011 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think you have any idea what Diaz thinks. Nobody does.

by Jonathan Snowden on May 6, 2011 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can only go by what the man has said in the past. He’s stated on multiple occasions that he felt that some of his loses in the UFC were “boring”. Take from that what you will. Personally, I thought his fights with Karo, Diego, Riggs and Sherk were all fantastic.

In the clearing stands a boxer And a fighter by his trade And he carries the reminders Of ev'ry glove that layed him down Or cut him till he cried out In his anger and his shame "I am leaving, I am leaving" But the fighter still remains

by Brian Mayes on May 6, 2011 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

What the fuck Mayes, did Diaz steal your girlfriend or what?

by sheikybaby on May 6, 2011 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m actually a huge fan of Nick and never miss one of his fights. But I don’t like this whole “I’m a ninja, I’ll fight anybody” attitude when you’re actively seeking out an easy pay day against Jeff Lacey.

In the clearing stands a boxer And a fighter by his trade And he carries the reminders Of ev'ry glove that layed him down Or cut him till he cried out In his anger and his shame "I am leaving, I am leaving" But the fighter still remains

by Brian Mayes on May 6, 2011 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

and gsp not stepping it up to fight silva is much better?

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by gxc on May 6, 2011 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is GSP actively lobbying to fight Jonathan Goulet?

In the clearing stands a boxer And a fighter by his trade And he carries the reminders Of ev'ry glove that layed him down Or cut him till he cried out In his anger and his shame "I am leaving, I am leaving" But the fighter still remains

by Brian Mayes on May 6, 2011 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

There’s a difference between, “I don’t know if I want to move up a weight class to fight the best fighter on the planet”, and "Jeez, I don’t want to fight this Top 25 welterweight that might make me look bad.:

In the clearing stands a boxer And a fighter by his trade And he carries the reminders Of ev'ry glove that layed him down Or cut him till he cried out In his anger and his shame "I am leaving, I am leaving" But the fighter still remains

by Brian Mayes on May 6, 2011 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's not even ranked

and there’s no money in, not to mention I doubt the promotion wants it.

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by TheFilt on May 6, 2011 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

If Nick Diaz stole your girlfriend

It means he literally has stolen your girlfriend and is expecting ransom.

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by TheFilt on May 6, 2011 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

He can have that bitch!

In the clearing stands a boxer And a fighter by his trade And he carries the reminders Of ev'ry glove that layed him down Or cut him till he cried out In his anger and his shame "I am leaving, I am leaving" But the fighter still remains

by Brian Mayes on May 6, 2011 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

How funny is it that people think Nick is slow or stupid?

This guy has put himself in such a great position.

People said he was delusional calling out GSP or any pro boxer. Now it looks like he has fought and mumbled his way to either one he chooses.

Of course, GSP is the only real option.

"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."

by TheFilt on May 6, 2011 3:12 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

I do not think he is the sharpest tool in the shed, but he is not a complete idiot either. He really has taken a great career path IMO

by schm1583 on May 6, 2011 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

well gsp is healing and diaz is in SF

so why not box? even if noone cares a top mma guy will fight a semi known boxer

didnt hear to much QQ when randy whooped tooney

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by gxc on May 6, 2011 3:14 PM EDT reply actions  

Great move by Cesar and Nick...

If they wanted next fight to be in MMA they were looking at Woodley which wouldn’t have drawn well or possibly Zuffa sending someone along the lines of Kos or Condit to SF to face him and those two would be tough challenges for him.

This way he’s trying to force Zuffa and Showtime to work something out. IMO the main roadblock of Diaz/GSP is Showtime. If they just put Nick in UFC on a UFC card Showtime would go insane since outside of Fedor he has proven to be one of if not their strongest draw and they would easily have an argument that Zuffa is not running the Showtime/SF contract in good faith.

It will be interesting to see what Zuffa does, they don’t like being held hostages by fighters, but who else is GSP realistically going to fight at 170 at this point? With the SF footage owned by them, Zuffa can easily hype the fight to the casual fan and make a ton of money. I highly doubt Zuffa would co-promote with Showtime on any level, but maybe something like signing a few mid-card more known UFC guys to a SF show on Showtime or pumping their boxing PPVs on a UFC broadcast would appease Showtime.

by ChicagoMMAFan on May 6, 2011 3:16 PM EDT reply actions  

eh not really...

Nick is a pretty popular fighter, but to casual fans he’s not widely known. Also, there’s the whole Showtime contract deal. Zuffa can’t just pick good draws from Showtime and put them on UFC cards, Showtime would have a legitimate argument that Zuffa is breaching the SF/Showtime deal that was in place when Zuffa bought SF.

Running a company isn’t as easy as many people want to say it is.

by ChicagoMMAFan on May 6, 2011 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

nah dana doesnt give a shit

he just put gsp in with a guy who put millions to sleep when they watched him on cbs and still sold 900k ppvs

gsp in canada against anybody sells, if diaz is gonna be a headache then fuck him he doesnt get to headline a ufc ppv and he loses

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by milk72 on May 6, 2011 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

can we all just agree that diaz should fight aaron pryor?

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by gxc on May 6, 2011 3:32 PM EDT reply actions  

I’m intrigued about Nick Diaz fighting Lacy. Boxing is different from MMA, so I am curious to see how Diaz does in the boxing ring. Diaz won’t have to worry about kicks and takedowns though, and his opponent is a “shot” fighter.
The question then is: who is GSP going to fight next assuming that he stays at Welterweight? Many wanted Nick Diaz vs GSP next, but that doesn’t look like it’s happening. The fights that are relevant to Title contention in the UFC in my opinion are: Rick Story vs Thiago Alves, Carlos Condit vs Stun Gun, Anthony Johnson vs Nate Marquardt, and Diego Sanchez vs Matt Hughes (mainly for Diego). I feel that the winner of Condit vs Stun Gun should get the next Title shot, but I do find the winner of Marquardt vs Johnson to be an interesting challenge to GSP just based on the size of both of them.

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by chrisbboy82 on May 6, 2011 3:50 PM EDT reply actions  

I think Condit/Kim is next

Which sucks because it will delay the next GSP fight until fall :/.

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by sitnam90 on May 6, 2011 6:57 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

i have a feeling this will be one of those instances where dana doesnt deal with diaz...he'll have joe silva or lorenzo do it

kinda like cocker and fedor

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by gxc on May 6, 2011 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

DW already said he's flying out to Stockton personally.

He needs Diaz right now. And he’s sure as hell willing to pay him more than he’d make boxing.

by POW on May 6, 2011 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

mobile comment fail see below this one lol

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by gxc on May 6, 2011 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Holy shit

Stockton Airport is shittier than Stockton.

BOOSH

by Farthammer on May 6, 2011 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

business as usual man

i didnt hear he was going out there…well if dana and a pocket full of cash cant get it going then idk who can

also i didnt even realize it was you until i saw the hotdog boner

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by gxc on May 6, 2011 4:01 PM EDT reply actions  

YUP.

The hotdog boner = international sign for me.

by POW on May 6, 2011 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

"Nick Diaz has to play the game"

Dana is probably eating his words now. Maybe he is happily doing it because he is going to make a chunk of change on Diaz/GSP, but I’m not sure that he will.

Either way, it seems like Diaz heard Dana loud and clear.

After Dana said that, Diaz hasn’t shut up about two things: Getting paid and Boxing. To me, it was a clear strategy to build up his value for a possible move to the UFC. So it is no surprise to me that news is breaking that Jeff Lacy signed the fight contract on the eve of Dana flying out to Stockton to speak with Diaz about his fighting future. I can just imagine Dana walking into the room, smiling at Diaz and saying “Well done and welcome back to the UFC. You’ve just earned yourself a fight with the welterweight champion of the world and you are going to get paid for it”.

GSP/Diaz will be announced shortly, I’m just so sure of it.

by Luke Nelson on May 6, 2011 4:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Dana can make money with Nick obviously, but......

as far as MMA goes, Nick needs Dana more than Dana needs Nick.

by ChicagoMMAFan on May 6, 2011 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gracie is starting to make this a circus side show.

After the Daley fight Nick is stating that he doesnt know anything about his money and that he is killing himself.. Then its reported that he made 175K for that fight so take 20% for Cesar and its 140K for Nick.. Still great money for MMA. That is more than most MMA and boxing fighters out there and still Nick is crying.. I love Nicks hardcore demeanor and have certainly been won over but this boxing “exhibition” is a joke and he will get killed by anyone in the realm of top 10 contention. On top of that his bad boy image is a little tainted for me when he bitches and complains about money in EVERY interview.

Hey Nick, you cant even hold a two minute conversation with a half wit, get a real job and see how much youre making..

by gdflsh on May 6, 2011 4:14 PM EDT reply actions  

Remember that Cung Le vs Frank Shamrock fight

I was shocked to find out yesterday those guys made
$200,000 and $300,000 respectively for that fight.
Not really relevant to this conversation but interesting

by Robust23 on May 6, 2011 4:27 PM EDT reply actions  

one time i thought i saw a ghost

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by gxc on May 6, 2011 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

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