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The MMA Fan's Guide to Manny Pacquiao vs. Shane Mosley: A Look Back at Pacquiao vs. Hatton

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This is a guest post by Fraser Coffeen.

Let's get this out of the way right from the start: yes, I am a boxing fan. Not as much as I am a kickboxing or MMA fan, but I do enjoy a good boxing match, and will tune in for the big events. And make no mistake about it - Manny Pacquiao is a Big Event. That said, I understand why some MMA fans are hesitant to get into boxing. With a glut of weight classes and champions, plus high profile fighters moving all over weight classes, the sport can seem impossibly unwieldy to follow. There's also the length of boxing matches. When a fight is a listless, one-sided affair, 12 rounds can be an awfully long time. Even if it's only 11 minutes more than an MMA title fight, when you add in the breaks and the sheer number of rounds, it can again seem daunting. That being said, when it comes to this weekend's Manny Pacquiao vs. Shane Mosley fight, one thing is clear:

You must watch Manny Pacquiao.

Pacquiao is one of the very top fighters worldwide in any combat sport. He is an amazing athlete who delivers on the promise of his fights, as Brent already pointed out. More than that, he is an incredibly skilled tactician, and anyone who is a fan of stand up fighting should appreciate the tools Pacquiao possesses. But you've probably heard this already. So instead of just telling you to love him, I'm going to help you get there, and I'm going to do that the best way I know how - by looking at him in the ring. Here, we examine a recent Pacquiao fight that should absolutely appeal to the MMA fan. It's action packed, short, and features a highlight reel ending. What's not to love? We'll take a look at the background, watch the fight, then break it down.

Manny Pacquiao vs. Ricky Hatton, May 2, 2009

When Manny Pacquiao met Ricky Hatton, both men were riding a serious wave of mainstream recognition. Pacquaio came into the fight just 6 months removed from the biggest fight of his career - a showdown with the legendary Oscar De La Hoya. Pacquiao dominated that fight, scoring an 8th round TKO victory that sent De La Hoya into retirement. More importantly, the fight transformed Pacquiao into a superstar, raking in the 2nd largest gate in boxing history and making Manny Pacquiao one of the sport's elite.

For Hatton, that recognition hadn't come with quite as much success. A highly popular and respected light welterweight in his home country of England, Hatton made the move up to welterweight and US recognition in his late 2007 bout with pound for pound king Floyd Mayweather, Jr. Hatton put on a game performance, earning the respect of fans and his opponent before finally falling in the 10th. Since the Mayweather fight, Hatton had moved back down to light welterweight and bounced back with a pair of wins.

The Pacquiao vs. Hatton showdown would take place at Hatton's preferred weight of 140 pounds. Hatton had never lost at 140, while Pacquiao would be making his 140 debut. With a win here, Pacquiao would become world champion in a 6th weight class. Only one other man had achieved this feat previously in boxing history - Oscar De La Hoya.

Before the fight, Hatton clearly laid out the battle lines: "This fat, beer-drinking Englishman is going to shock the world again." For many, Hatton embodied the spirit of boxing's everyman - the tough, under-respected, working-man's fighter who is ready to make history. On the other side, Pacquiao was the boxing prodigy - the superstar ring genius who seemingly could do no wrong and walked in the heavy, and beloved, favorite; the skilled technician moving up in weight to the bigger's man's comfort zone, leading some to question if the move was too much. As a match, it brings to mind Anderson Silva vs. Forrest Griffin at UFC 101. And by the time the match is over, it has more in common with Silva/Forrest than just the set-up.

We'll look at the fight and break it down in the full entry.

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From the beginning, Hatton's strategy is clear: crowd Pacquiao and pressure him to keep the fight inside, while using his size advantage to wear Manny down. But it doesn't matter, because Pacquiao is just too good. There's so much Pac does right here that it's hard to touch on it all, but here are a few particularly key elements to watch for:

-Footwork - Just watch Pacquiao's feet the entire time to get a really good appreciation for his skill level. Throughout the fight, Manny always keeps his feet in the correct stance, whether he is moving away, or coming in. Also, look at how he is constantly light on his feet, until the moment he needs to throw a punch, at which point he digs his weight in to get the power from his legs, then pops right back to the light footed stepping to avoid any counter shots. One other aspect of his footwork is how quickly he can close the distance when he wants to. With one or two fast hops, he goes from being outside of range, to right in Hatton's face, then he's back out again just as fast.

-Head movement - This is an aspect of stand-up that many MMA fighters ignore, but is prevalent in boxing, and Manny shows why here. He uses small movements of his head and upper body to dodge punches, but he does it without wasting energy and motion. Typically, he moves his head just enough so that the punch misses, but doesn't move so far out of range that he disrupts his own offense or uses unnecessary energy.

-Hand speed - Not much else to say here except that Pacquiao punches fast. Really fast.

But the most impressive part to me is how he strings all of this together, seamlessly integrating footwork, hand speed, head movement, and all the other little things into every single moment of the fight. For a beautiful example, check out the first knockdown. Both men throw punches, but Pacquiao is faster and connects first. Then, before his own punch has even registered, he quickly ducks Hatton's shot. The ability to, in one motion, land a knockdown punch AND avoid a power shot is remarkable. The end result of all this skill? An all-time highlight reel KO, and one of the most exciting endings to a fight in Pacquiao's storied career.

Since this fight, Hatton has not stepped back in the ring, while Pacquiao has gone on to win titles in two more weight classes, making him the only man in boxing history to hold belts in 8 different classes. On Saturday, he defends the WBO Welterweight (147 lbs) title against Shane Mosley. Even if you don't think Mosley has much of a shot (and, to be fair, he doesn't), hopefully you'll tune in to see the artistry of Manny Pacquiao once again on display.

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The vast majority of MMA fans really hate boxing, the GSP-Shields fight is a proof of that.

by Joe_Leduc on May 5, 2011 12:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Ya there was a LOT less stalling in the clinch compared to a boxing match.

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by Kefka on May 5, 2011 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

High Level Boxing is a thing of beauty...

…can’t wait for a mma fighter w/ Pacquiao level boxing to enter MMA.

by SammyBeez on May 5, 2011 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think your wrong

I think its silly to think that you could be a fan of either sport and hate the other. Sure some people may prefer one over the other but I don’t see how you could be a fan of mma but not a fan of something that encompasses a huge part of it.

by C.A.M. on May 5, 2011 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Constant starts and stops because of clinching the other guy, thats how.

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by Kefka on May 5, 2011 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not being able to strike in the clinch bothers me

One of the reasons I moved away from training pure boxing when I was doing some casual training. I’m a short and stocky guy, and couture style dirty boxing always came more more natural then fighting at range

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by sitnam90 on May 5, 2011 1:08 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Boxing would be much better if they allow more clinch time. The nearly constant stalling is very annoying.

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by Kefka on May 5, 2011 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

But many MMA fans loved Silva vs Griffin.

1 round of pure dynamite Hollywood magic.

I tend to be biased towards strikers . . . exciting strikers.
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by VeeisAnimated on May 5, 2011 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

What an odd statement. I watch sparring matches in my Muay Thai class that are more technical and interesting than that GSP-Shields fight. You may like MMA more (obviously), but you’ve got to give skilled boxers their due. They are the best at what they do and if you looked into it, you’d realize Boxing and standup in MMA are very different.

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by LowkickGreed on May 5, 2011 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

the first time i saw him fight...

was against Barrera back in 2003.

Barrera was coming in at 57-3 and in my mind was the mutts-nuts, but manny just schooled him for 11 rounds.

I’ve been a fan ever since.

And to top it all off he has great hair!

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by macknight on May 5, 2011 12:14 PM EDT reply actions  

Most people nowadays don't know how huge an upset that was...

A relatively unknown Manny Pacquiao, who was known as a brawler with only one strong hand, moved up in weight to take on one of the baddest men in the planet. No one thought he could win, but he dominated and became an international star.

by Anton Tabuena on May 5, 2011 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dude,

I was honestly doubting Pacman when he fought Barrera. “It was Marco Antonio fucking Barrera, Pacquiao is not on the same league.” I ate my words.

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by vivero on May 6, 2011 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

pac mans great

but i really dont feel like paying 55 bucks or a bar cover to go see a card that sucks outside of the main event, when the main event itself is basically a glorified execution

mosley basically stands no shot in this fight and its terrible matchmaking, i have very little interest in this fight

"I have smoked weed with alot of UFC champions" - Joe Rogan
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by milk72 on May 5, 2011 12:18 PM EDT reply actions  

but i really dont feel like paying 55 bucks or a bar cover to go see a card that sucks outside of the main event, when the main event itself is basically a glorified execution

UFC 124?

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by lowellthehammer on May 5, 2011 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

that card still had a better preliminary card than any boxing fight

but i understand your point, what in the fuck was mckorkle doing in a co-main event

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by milk72 on May 5, 2011 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'll just never understand the premise of not watching a card because the main eventer is too good.

Is GSP a heavy, heavy favorite to win every fight at WW? Yeah. Are all of his fights thrilling? No. But I always watch him because he is P4P one of the top 2 greatest MMA fighters in the game today.

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by lowellthehammer on May 5, 2011 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

^this

Keep in mind, most people that complain about GSP will still watch him fight. I know they will watch GSP vs. Diaz if that comes to fruition.

I tend to be biased towards strikers . . . exciting strikers.
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by VeeisAnimated on May 5, 2011 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

yea well i follow that idea in mma

but i’m nothing more than a casual boxing fan, and while i like pacquiao its not life or death to me if i dont see this fight due to the weak opponent hes facing

i have a fanatical and dangerous obsession with mma and the new york giants, theres simply not enough room for me to get seriously involved into another sport.

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by milk72 on May 5, 2011 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

this is pretty good card arc/vasquez will be a fun fight plus pavilk is making his comeback

by pong102 on May 5, 2011 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Think Batista tore a quad following Pac to the ring.

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by lowellthehammer on May 5, 2011 12:26 PM EDT reply actions  

Does anyone feel as if Mosley has a legit chance to win?

by PML on May 5, 2011 12:26 PM EDT reply actions  

I do

guy has a good chin and likes to scrap, and pacman aint running away from a war so its possible he can catch pacquaio and have him in some trouble

by C.A.M. on May 5, 2011 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes and no.

NO: * Mosley for some reasons doesn’t know how to jab. He wants to fight.

  • He’s old, he simply ain’t what he used to be.
  • Did you see Mayweather Jr. outclass him?
  • How much weight is Mosley cutting to make this a fair fight? I wonder.
  • there’s more reasons

Yes.* pacquiao’s defense is suspect at times. He’s really easy to hit. He welcomes it.

  • Mosley does have power (but Pacquaio’s speed can easily nullify it.)

I tend to be biased towards strikers . . . exciting strikers.
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by VeeisAnimated on May 5, 2011 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just feel as if Mosley has the talent maybe not so much now that he is past his prime but it is hard to discount him.

by PML on May 5, 2011 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Listen, I'm a boxing fan, Pacquiao is great BUT . . .
a showdown with the legendary Oscar De La Hoya.

 . . . and Oscar de la Hoya was in the prime of his career? fighting at a conveniently smaller weight? unable to pull the freaking trigger . . . something Freddie Roach knew when he trained De La Hoya against Mayweather Jr.

For many, Hatton embodied the spirit of boxing’s everyman – the tough, under-respected, working-man’s fighter who is ready to make history

Hatton was respected for being a brawler. period. He never really learned how to box, ask his trainer, Floyd Mayweather Sr.

technician moving up in weight to the bigger’s man’s comfort zone, leading some to question if the move was too much

This was all hype. Just like Mayweather Jr. knew, Freddi Roach and Arum knew . . . Hatton was a straight brawler with no clue when it came to defense. He had a perfect style to showcase Pacquiao’s offense.

I’ll f*ck with everything written after the jump (after the YouTube) video but

Since this fight, Hatton has not stepped back in the ring,

Because he went back to drinking beers and doing cocaine lines.

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by VeeisAnimated on May 5, 2011 12:27 PM EDT reply actions  

Is it fair to really discredit the guys he fought though? In place of Oscar and Hatton who should he have reasonably been facing?

by PML on May 5, 2011 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hmmm . . . I would have to do some research to give you a better answer with PowerPoint bullet notes but here goes.

  • Like Tyson, De La Hoya was the money-maker in his time. So in essence that fight made sense. Fighting and beating De La Hoya made Bernard Hopkins, Floyd Mayweather Jr. and Pacquiao huge stars. For Pacquiao, the timing was just perfect.
  • Oh, I’m almost %100 sure there were better fighters out there for Pacquiao to fight but that was about timing, putting on a show, perfect match-making, making money. (Well, yeah boxing is a business, duh.)
  • but look at his opponents after that . . . majority of them signed to Bob Arum.
  • End note, Mayweather Jr.’s career is far better example of carefully good match-making after he cashed in on the De La Hoya PPV show.

I tend to be biased towards strikers . . . exciting strikers.
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by VeeisAnimated on May 5, 2011 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

hatton was the ring champion at jww when pac fought him so there were no better fighters at that weight.At the time of the oscar fight oscar was criticized for picking on little pac.I don’t understand how the fact he fights bob arum fighters is a problem i mean doesn’t gsp just fight dana white fighters

by pong102 on May 5, 2011 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

This.

De La Hoya was criticized by almost everyone for trying to get an easy victory against a little guy.

Hatton was number 1 at that weight class… just cause Pacquiao trounced and dominated him into retirement, doesn’t mean you should discredit the win.

Cotto was the highest ranked welterweight (not named Mosley/Mayweather, who were about to battle at that time) at the time Manny faced him. (also a huge huge star)

You know that game of trying to discredit one fighter’s career, you can play it for anyone… But it’s a pretty lame thing to do, as you can always prove a point without trying to discredit a person.

by Anton Tabuena on May 5, 2011 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

  • Cotto? Miguel Cotto before or after Margarito destroyed him.
  • Freddie Roach knows what’s up. He knows styles makes fight. There’s a reason why he avoided Shane Mosley a couple of years back. There’s a reason why they decided to make a fight with Mosley right now. People forget that. (yes, the same thing goes for Mayweather Jr. and a number of other fighters once they get to the tip-tip top.)

I’m not trying to discredit Pacquiao but trying to put a different perspective on the hype. I’m not making a claim that Pacquiao’s career is a farce or anything like that. His skills in the ring will be remembered for all off combat sports history.

I tend to be biased towards strikers . . . exciting strikers.
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by VeeisAnimated on May 5, 2011 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

“Cotto? Miguel Cotto before or after Margarito destroyed him…” with possibly loaded wraps? Yeah, it was indeed after that. :)

by Fraser Coffeen on May 5, 2011 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Seriously. haha.
Cotto? Miguel Cotto before or after Margarito destroyed him.

GSP? Before or after he got KO’ed by Serra.
Anderson Silva? Before or after he got beat up by Sonnen?
It’s easy to play this discredit-the-opponent game.

by Anton Tabuena on May 5, 2011 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes Freddie knows what's up...

but all the fans and analysts thought he was wrong and that having him move up from 135 to 147 was crazy… It just happens that Roach really is a fantastic trainer who knows his stuff… Doesn’t mean that since he was right, that the fight isn’t worth anything anymore.

the bottom line is, before the fight, most people thought it was going to be a De La Hoya victory. So discrediting the accomplishment is just revisionist history.

by Anton Tabuena on May 5, 2011 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

i mean doesn’t gsp just fight dana white fighters

 . . . hmmm . . . hmmm . . . . just hmmm.
Fortunately when it comes to MMA (read: the UFC) as the champion, you’re fighting the best available opponents at least 2-3 times out of the year. All the backdoor shenanigans of fighting the right guys with the perfectly matched styles at the right time is kept to a minimum.

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by VeeisAnimated on May 5, 2011 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dan Hardy was never a better opponent for GSP than Jon Fitch or Jake Shields at any time.

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by pdl on May 5, 2011 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Shields wasn’t available as a GSP opponent until very recently, so that’s a moot point. And you can’t have GSP always fighting Fitch every 4-5 months… you need variety in GSP’s diet!

by Shnak on May 6, 2011 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nice to see that Dana White's marketing is working with you.

Not only did Manny fight the best available opponents in his division, he moved up in weight several times and took some of the best guys in the world even when he was at a massive size disadvantage. Nice try though.

by Anton Tabuena on May 5, 2011 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

The problem I have is that the only fight that has made sense for years has been Floyd/Pac. So when the fight never gets made all fights for either fighter are less intriguing.

Should Pac have fought Cotto/Clottey/Hatton? Probably not, but in terms of name value and in two instances a size disadvanatge which increases interest was there better fights? I dont believe so.

I always wanted Berto to fight one of them.

by PML on May 5, 2011 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

sadly that fight is almost impossible to make now due to floyd and mosley is better then berto who is highly untested

by pong102 on May 5, 2011 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

revisionist history
. . . and Oscar de la Hoya was in the prime of his career? fighting at a conveniently smaller weight? unable to pull the freaking trigger . . . something Freddie Roach knew when he trained De La Hoya against Mayweather Jr.

People keep saying this all the time to try and discredit that win… but before the fight, how many people, experts, analysts, etc thought that Manny would win against De La Hoya? Almost everyone thought they were crazy for even thinking about facing such a huge guy (who performed really well against Floyd). But Manny pulled it off he went from a 135 lb opponent to 147 lbs, and beat up a guy who everyone said he couldn’t.

by Anton Tabuena on May 5, 2011 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

If memory serves me right wasnt the Oscar/Floyd fight pretty close

by PML on May 5, 2011 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yup. Split decision.

some even thought Oscar did enough to win. (He slowed down on the last 2 rounds though, and it cost him the fight)

by Anton Tabuena on May 5, 2011 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

something tells me

if Pac destroy Mosley this weekend, Floyd will NEVER face Pac. Pac always fights his ‘leftovers’ and sends them to retirement saying ‘look what you did to them and look how I can destroy them so much easier’.

by Rucker on May 5, 2011 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pac man fighting an over the hill Mosley

Can you blame us if we are not that interested. Mosley only has a chance in my mind if Pac comes out with one glove Art Jimmerson style

Just out of curiosity why are all these boxing articles on bloodyelbow? Isn’t there other sites under the SBN umbrella that are better suited to this.

It is starting to feel like this page is running out of good MMA things to talk about

Sheeeeeeeee-it

by Clay Davis on May 5, 2011 12:27 PM EDT reply actions  

You could always

not click on them.

If you love MMA it should be virtually impossible not to appreciate Pacquiao’s heart, accomplishments or style.

by cmons on May 5, 2011 12:34 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

Pacquiao fight is a cultural event at this point.

It’s a pretty big fucking deal. A combat sports site would be pretty stupid to ignore it altogether.

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by lowellthehammer on May 5, 2011 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I understand that

But there are boxing sites under this umbrella. Thats what i’m getting at.

Also, i don’t get how its a big fucking deal. He’s fighting an Old Mosley. It may be a huge deal in his home country, but i’m not sure how its relivent at all.

It would be a big deal with he was fighting Mayweather. Too bad it will never happen.

Don’t get me wrong though, I do appreciate Pacquiaos heart, skill and accomplishes. I’ve always loved watching him fight. But its hard to care about this fight.

Sheeeeeeeee-it

by Clay Davis on May 5, 2011 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

exactamundo

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by Nate Wilcox on May 5, 2011 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

This x100

People always complain about content on blogs and websites like they’re strapped in front of a screen “Clockwork Orange” style, with no choice but to watch.

You don’t like it, move along. This is a great article that bridges the gap between boxing and MMA. That’s a narrowing gap too, with that whole GSP/Roach/Pacquiao connection.

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by hobbie on May 5, 2011 1:02 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

it is a dang slow weekend for MMA

no offense to the fine flyweights fighting at Tachi Palace.
Also we look at our mission as being a one stop shop for our readers. Sure we encourage visits to the other SBN sites (and other great MMA and boxing sites) but our goal for ourselves is to give the thinking combat sports fan everything they need right here.

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by Nate Wilcox on May 5, 2011 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Thanks for the explaination

Also, just want to say thanks for all the hard work on this site.

Been reading articles on here for a long time and you rarely disappoint

Sheeeeeeeee-it

by Clay Davis on May 5, 2011 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

and double whoops

I forgot Bellator again. But we’ll be doing a preview and liveblogging Hawn vs Hieron.

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by Nate Wilcox on May 5, 2011 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I thought my title and intro made it pretty clear why this was here: to get MMA fans who may have some interest in Pacquaio, but aren’t really boxing fans, interested in his fight. And to help any MMA fans who do tune in have a little added perspective to increase their enjoyment of the fight. And, judging from the comments, it’s accomplished those goals to some degree. I see no reason not to include that sort of thing on this site, especially as we head into a weekend without any big MMA action.

by Fraser Coffeen on May 5, 2011 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

no

it’s a combat sports site and the biggest combat sports athlete in the world is fighting on saturday.

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by Nate Wilcox on May 5, 2011 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

i think the hbo guys may have been onto something

i really dont think there is much of a crossover when it comes to boxing and mma fans

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by milk72 on May 5, 2011 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

biggest combat sports athlete in the world is fighting on saturday.

Zulu is fighting again!?

by Pyrgz Krum on May 5, 2011 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Against Butterbean, I hope.

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by FRANKIE on May 6, 2011 1:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, that is clearly the case. Your perspicacity is overwhelming.

Catapultam habeo. Nisi pecuniam omnem mihi dabis, ad caput tuum saxum immane mittam.

by FRANKIE on May 6, 2011 1:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Just want to state that I am perfectly fine with there being a boxing article on BE. Also wrestling, Muay Thai, fencing, Jeet Kune Do, White Eyebrow kung fu, whatever as long as the article relates it to MMA.

Manny is great but boxing isn’t that interesting to me. It just seems so limited compared to MMA. But it is obviously a big part of MMA at the same time.

by Finian1 on May 5, 2011 12:44 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

well the idea was to give an MMA fan who is interested in watching the fight

some context and technical info so you know better what to watch for on Saturday.

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by Nate Wilcox on May 5, 2011 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Which seems perfectly reasonable

Considering the execrable level of boxing generally shown in MMA fights. Yes, the threat of the take down changes the game, but there’s no reason to abandon head movement, just as there’s no reason to get out of position to throw a shot. Watching Pacquiao work is an education in world-class striking.

By the way, can anyone explain why it seems like 90% of MMA strikers will throw a short combination (often out of range), or back an opponent up, and then put their hands down and mosey back to the center of the cage? It’s as though there’s a gentleman’s agreement to reset in the middle after any exchange unless someone rocked and ready to be finished. It drives me crazy. Look at the way Pacquiao moves around Hatton and maintains offense and the difference is immediately apparent.

This comment is intended for entertainment purposes only. Any resemblence to the actual truth is entirely coincidental.

by JoshSBooks on May 5, 2011 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

MMA fighters

seem to train a few simple combos by rote and don’t have the know how to follow up.

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by Nate Wilcox on May 5, 2011 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I figured it must be something to do with their training — especially that resetting after every exchange.

This comment is intended for entertainment purposes only. Any resemblence to the actual truth is entirely coincidental.

by JoshSBooks on May 5, 2011 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I appreciated this a lot.

Watched the KO punch in slomo about a dozen times. Winced every time. Brutal stuff.

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by lowellthehammer on May 5, 2011 12:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Why the hate for boxing?

As an MMA site i would expect coverage of a wide variety of combat sports…

You know, since my favorite one happens to combine them all.

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by rkilla on May 5, 2011 12:53 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Absolutely...

I believe that a page about a sport that encompasses ALL disciplines in combat, should (within reason) gives us updates and knowledge on all things combat. I LOVE it when we get articles on up and coming college wrestlers and boxers.

Combat sports is more than just MMA and K-1.

by Aggressor666 on May 5, 2011 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pacquiaos calves and forearms are freakish, the size of a supermiddleweights or bigger. I have no doubt he’d have been a world champion in MMA at bantam and featherweight if he wasn’t earning a bank vault per fight in boxing. MMA fans who can’t appreciate this guy are like the boxing bigots who reckon all that ‘’rolling around on the floor stuff’’ makes MMA a non-sport.

by sheikybaby on May 5, 2011 12:55 PM EDT reply actions  

If I remember correctly

there was a post on BE about wrist measurements correlating to height/weight in fighters, and they noted that Pacquiao’s wrists are eight inches around, bigger than a number of heavy weights’.

And he’s got a freakish motor, too. Wallstreet Journal had a little piece on his stamina: resting heartrate of 42 bpm, sustained exertion bumps it up to 205 bpm (which is superhuman), and he does exercises in between rounds while sparring. It’d be so much fun to watch him dismantle dudes at featherweight after getting together a little takedown defense.

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by JoshSBooks on May 5, 2011 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Good stuff Fraser! I’m not really a boxing fan, just kickboxing and MMA, but I’ve been starting to watch Pacquiao recently, and I like it.

by Horselover Fat on May 5, 2011 12:57 PM EDT reply actions  

Thanks! If you’re looking for more, check out Pacquiao’s recent fights with Miguel Cotto and Antonio Margarito, which are both entertaining, and feature the kind of spectacle that I find appealing. Not the Clottey fight though.

by Fraser Coffeen on May 5, 2011 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I watched the Margarito fight when it was on, and I very much enjoyed it. Will try to get ahold of the Cotto one, thanks for the tip.

by Horselover Fat on May 6, 2011 4:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Awesome stuff.

The more I see of Pacquiao, the more I want to search out and watch.

by Rahson on May 5, 2011 1:01 PM EDT reply actions  

it is responses like this

That in my mind completely justify this article.

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by hobbie on May 5, 2011 1:06 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I’m an MMA head first and foremost but one of the best things I’ve gotten out of it is that it’s been a gateway drug to me being able to enjoy each individual aspect. I can actually watch and digest boxing and K-1 now. I actually sat down and watched the NCAA wrestling tournament because I had a clue what was going on. All because of how much I follow MMA. More good stuff to enjoy isn’t a bad thing in my opinion.

by Rahson on May 5, 2011 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Being an MMA fan means by extension, we are also somewhat a fan of boxing, kickboxing, Muay Thai, BJJ, judo, sambo, wrestling………….etc. I am interested to read about and see masters of their arts like Manny Pacquiao.

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by kenpoboy67 on May 5, 2011 1:10 PM EDT reply actions  

I agree...kinda

I wouldn’t say being an MMA fan inheretly makes you a martial arts fan. But I do think MMA-only fans who don’t watch/enjoy other combat sports will be able to appreciate the mastery of aspects of their sport, even if they don’t have any desire to follow those aspects. Take me for instance. I love MMA, especially technical showcases. I enjoy watching clips of masters of the arts doing their thing, but I won’t or follow fighyts very closely

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by sitnam90 on May 5, 2011 2:05 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

A lot of ignorant responses here and a lot of hate on boxing from MMA fans in general.

It’s amazing how some people go on about how Manny/Mosley isn’t in the slightest bit interesting, but it’s being hyped up just because Manny is fighting, yet those same people were most likely watching all three episodes of UFC Prime time “GSP Vs Dan Hardy” and tuned into watch the fight.

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by Mckeever on May 5, 2011 1:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Will be watching this one by nefarious means, no doubt.

I hope Mosely can pull the upset. Kinda tired of this Manny/Mayweather crap and this will help kill most of that. Lets be honest though. Manny will tear Mosely AND Mayweather apart. I love watching him fight, I hate his 24/7/FC360 though. Same thing over and over. Also, hate Booboy(?) with a passion. lol I dont know why.

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by xFenixKnightx on May 5, 2011 1:27 PM EDT reply actions  

lol! Close enough.

Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."

by xFenixKnightx on May 5, 2011 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Awww how can you not like him?

He’s like everyone’s ever reliable watches-your-back-and-won’t-steal-your-chicks rolly-polly best friend. And he races dirt bikes in between Pacquiao fights.

by crisgee on May 6, 2011 8:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Holy crap

Manny is only 32?!?! Wow.

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by Hitmonchan on May 5, 2011 1:39 PM EDT reply actions  

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