UFC 130's Quinton 'Rampage' Jackson and the MMA Community's Attitude Toward Women
by Brent Brookhouse on May 30, 2011 2:00 PM EDT
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PrintI'm going to admit something to you, the Bloody Elbow reader. I hate when we post pictures of half-naked ring girls or any other female involved in MMA. It's a traffic driver though and, as much as people act like it is a sin, traffic is the lifeblood of long term stability and monetization of a website. More than a simple distaste for the act of posting the pictures, it is knowing what is coming in the comments (not just here at Bloody Elbow, but on any MMA site) as the discussion shifts to talk of who would and wouldn't sleep with the woman involved, who is running away from their computer for a fierce masturbatory session and what is the lewdest act each person can think of.
It's an ugly side of this sport's media and fanbase. While demanding people take the sport seriously and turning red with anger at the giggling of the uninformed when someone is locked in full guard, we are often all too willing to reduce women in MMA to soulless sex objects.
This treatment of women as props on the grand stage of MMA has allowed Quinton Jackson to repeatedly get away with dry humping reporters while we shake our collective head, laugh and say "Oh, that Rampage! He's so crazy!" Now, in the wake of UFC 130, he's at it again. This time making a joke about Karyn Bryant making him horny and then motorboating her before telling her to leave before he humps her. Give the video a watch:
Bryant is being a "good sport" about the whole thing and I'm sure some are going to say that her acceptance of the situation makes it all okay. But, we all know that Bryant, who is trying to build up her site, is more at risk than Jackson should she express any discomfort over the idea.
Let's not forget the reaction to Heather Nichols of Cage Potato when she spoke to Sports Illustrated about her experience with Jackson. Jackson "dry humped" her during an interview and, when Nichols told SI that she was uncomfortable with his actions it was met with the expected reactions from the dredges of the MMA world. Nichols was "asking for it" and should be happy that Rampage "put her on the map."
The message was loud and clear: stand there, hold the microphone, be cute, don't make the fighters look bad and be happy anyone knows who you are. Nevermind that they only know you as "that girl Rampage humped, LOLZ!"
Now, I'm all for a good laugh, but its incidents like these are partially what is keeping MMA from gaining real widespread mainstream acceptance. Bob Reilly is probably sitting in his office as I type this working feverishly to add the clip to his latest anti-MMA Powerpoint presentation he will be presenting to the New York State Assembly in the coming months. You can bet that the UFC adding mandatory anti-sexual harassment or sensitivity training to the agenda of next year's UFC Fighter Summit, if it doesn't before then.
Brett Favre's incident with Jenn Sterger was the reason the NFL began its anti-sexual harassment training and policy and its safe to say Rampage will likely be the reason the UFC does the same, and so they should.
It's a good point, but it is an issue with more than the top MMA promotion and a handful of fighters. It's that we, as a fanbase, are all too willing to accept the constant objectification of women.
Cage Potato's article reads like something well meaning. But right above the headline is the link to the "Ring Girls" section. While it's great to act as though Rampage's antics toward women are bad for the sport's growth, it's hard to take that stance too seriously when you're also writing:
Holy crap. If you're interested in watching Bellator ring girl Jade Bryce rub herself down for two minutes, you came to the right place today. My God, this chick. Video not safe for work, unless you don't mind embarassing yourself at the office.
Or:
At yesterday's weigh-ins, Felice and Nicdali produced one of the greatest staredown photos in recent memory. (Whether you prefer this one or Anderson Silva vs. Vitor Belfort pretty much depends on if you prefer chicks or dudes. Sorry. That's the deal.)
Sexual harassment? Bad. Gay jokes? Good.
And, of course they ran a "Hottest Women in MMA Grand Prix" to bring out the best comments possible from the readers.
It's unfair of me to single out Cage Potato just because they're an easy target at this moment. It's more widespread than one specific site and one specific incident.
Trust me, I realize the irony of my grandstanding on the topic when, just a week ago, Bloody Elbow ran the Kelli Hutcherson Maxim photos. It'd be stupid to say that beautiful women from the MMA world who take part in modeling shoots shouldn't be acknowledged. But the first step toward changing the sport's treatment of women is in changing the way that women are talked about.
There are ways to talk about women involved in the sport (even the ones that do sexy photo shoots) that doesn't involve the debasement of their status as human beings. It may not be the difference in gaining mainstream acceptance, but it's one of the things that can make a difference in being evolved and intelligent fans when it comes to more than just muay thai and jiu-jitsu.
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Great GIF! Great movie!
If this were any other MMA site, they’d probably have used Super Troopers or Half-Baked.
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You're gonna love it here,
that GIF is used every 7.5 minutes @ BE.
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by RolloTomasi on May 30, 2011 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
pshaw
Anyone who uses anything other than Magnificient Ambersons gifs is a troglodyte in my eyes.
by Rob Young on May 30, 2011 4:34 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I don’t know about you but this what happened with me.
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by KimboLeopoldo on May 30, 2011 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm more of a "Third Man" Man.
@scb0212
The Machiavellian.
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by Scott C. Broussard on May 30, 2011 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions
i love that snowden leaves now they all keep trying to stir shit up
by The Evil Dr Pork Chop on May 30, 2011 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Nate
Do you think I should get back in touch with Tom Myers? The last two months have been absolutely horrible in terms of school work, but now that I’ve graduated I’m ready make moves.
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by Anthony Pace on May 30, 2011 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Thank you for putting up this article Brent
Kudos to you sir!
"I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me" - Philippians 4:13
Nicely done, Brent.I however cant help but think that somewhere off the horizon
"Every time I talk on the phone with someone who doesn’t know me, they call me "ma’am"." .....cut to a couple months later....... "You can alter that sig now. I spoke with someone I know on the phone and she repeatedly addressed me as a female. Fuck." - Scott C. Broussard
by Earl Montclair on May 30, 2011 2:05 PM EDT reply actions 7 recs
Rec'd.
Also, I love you in a total non-sexual-harrassment way. I just go through your garbage and shit…
by Unabomberman on May 30, 2011 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Well said.
MMA sites should be about MMA, and nothing else.
Fighter, lover and all around awesome.
by Sebastiaan Tauran on May 30, 2011 2:09 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Brent is still going to post about boxing and such, I'd imagine.
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by Derek Suboticki on May 30, 2011 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
WOW
now what they trying to fade rampage about
by strictly_true on May 30, 2011 2:15 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
sports has characters. art imitates life.
these things work themselves out.
"It is unlikely that anyone has ever read Nietzsche or Derrida and has been inspired to open a soup kitchen"
by troy145 on May 30, 2011 2:21 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
also, comparing what Page did to Favres’ Sterge connection is outlandish.
girls do panty-dropper of the week.
these thigns workth emselves out
"It is unlikely that anyone has ever read Nietzsche or Derrida and has been inspired to open a soup kitchen"
by troy145 on May 30, 2011 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Nice to see you're not piss drunk now
But your typing could still use a little work.
Let the fighters fight, let the referees ref, but dear God, don't let the judges judge.
by halitosis on May 30, 2011 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
Rampage has to deal with how his children see this
How does he explain it to his sons… daughters?
How does Chuck talk about his antics at bars back in the day?
"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win."
Mohandas Gandhi
"The fight is won or lost far away from witnesses - behind the lines, in the gym, and out there on the road, long before I dance under those lights."
Muhammad Ali
"If MMA is like dog fighting, those are some pretty fucking smart dogs."
"I don’t want to lick any butt."
GSP
idk, the same way probably more than half of all pro athletes do? wont be any more difficult for rampage than it will be for Ben Roethlisberger.
"It is unlikely that anyone has ever read Nietzsche or Derrida and has been inspired to open a soup kitchen"
by troy145 on May 30, 2011 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
They admit to their horndoggery.
I know what Rampage did was sexual harassment, and he definitely can’t pull this kinda shit anymore, but we as a society need to CHILL when it comes to the whole “objectification of women” meme. In the case of Hutcherson, Anton’s twit pics of all the ring girls past and present, etc, these are women whose entire job is to be INCREDIBLY attractive, and be the object of our affection. That’s what they’re being paid for, and they certainly don’t seem bummed out that they’re making a living being beautiful.
Being from Vegas, I know plenty of girls who do modeling, who have been ring card girls, hell- I know some strippers. And I can honestly say that none of them have a problem with using their looks to make money. Maybe it’s just the culture of Las Vegas, but I REALLY think we can lay off the militant feminism in this case.
Xtreme Couture- The best never rest! The girl in my av is Kari Sweets (you're welcome).
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by ElliotMatheny on May 30, 2011 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
*Looks at your AV*
Sorry, I’m sure you made a really valid point, I just didn’t read any of it.
/keeps looking/
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by pdl on May 30, 2011 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Women's liberation!
Woooh!
Xtreme Couture- The best never rest! The girl in my av is Kari Sweets (you're welcome).
"I swear it upon Zeus an outstanding runner cannot be the equal of an average wrestler."
-Socrates
by ElliotMatheny on May 30, 2011 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
For the record, I count myself as a very staunch feminist.
But I also know a lot of models and a lot of girls who have done nude shoots that were clearly for the photographer’s “private collection” because it got them a legit shoot that went into their portfolio, which helped them get more legit gigs. The general line is “I’m comfortable with my body and will use it to get ahead if I need to.” And there’s nothing wrong with that when done appropriately. Brittney Palmer can probably sell her art way easier and at three times the price as random kinda cute girl who paints. I have a friend who did some sketchy modeling and photo shoots because she could earn the same amount of money in a fifth of the time as she would working a retail job, and she needed that extra time to do lab work and study.
Somebody like Arianny who totally lacks personality or any skills to speak of besides huge fake tits is in trouble. But like you said, there are a lot of girls who see the game and play it to their advantage. The issue is a large portion of society, which is magnified by the demographics of MMA, deem them cheap whores and sluts for doing it.
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-Randall Munroe
Yeah, Arianny is fucked when she turns the mid- 30's corner.
She can find a sugar daddy in the meantime though, no prob.
Xtreme Couture- The best never rest! The girl in my av is Kari Sweets (you're welcome).
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-Socrates
by ElliotMatheny on May 30, 2011 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm sure Arianny has money.
Learn JiuJitsu, it's fun.
We can put a man on the moon, build the Great Wall, scale Everest, but we can't fire Cecil Peoples.
I don't know how good she is with her money,
but considering all the pictures she takes of her fancy new outfits and vacations in tropical islands, I doubt she’s saving a ton. Arianny’s big into fitness, so she’ll keep getting work through her early 30’s, but I doubt there’s much for her after that.
Xtreme Couture- The best never rest! The girl in my av is Kari Sweets (you're welcome).
"I swear it upon Zeus an outstanding runner cannot be the equal of an average wrestler."
-Socrates
by ElliotMatheny on May 30, 2011 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions
She can find a sugar daddy in the meantime though, no prob.
The problem is, she is spending her time chasing after dudes like Josh Burkman and Tiki, rather than guys with money.
I doubt Arianny is chasing after them.
And i’m sure she could find a rich mark on the drop of a hat at this point.
Xtreme Couture- The best never rest! The girl in my av is Kari Sweets (you're welcome).
"I swear it upon Zeus an outstanding runner cannot be the equal of an average wrestler."
-Socrates
by ElliotMatheny on May 30, 2011 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe she's into the whole 'love' thing.
Poor girl.
by Unabomberman on May 30, 2011 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions
That's a good point,
I bet Tiki really fought to love her.
Xtreme Couture- The best never rest! The girl in my av is Kari Sweets (you're welcome).
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-Socrates
by ElliotMatheny on May 30, 2011 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions
If he had to fight to love her
then she’d be with Bob Cook, Chris Lytle, Robbie Lawler, or Sean Sherk.
"Someone is WRONG on the internet. What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!"
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by pdl on May 30, 2011 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
actually
she majored in fitness management and nutrition, has a great voice and I’m sure will have no problem finding other opportunities.
lol at "great voice".
My parents were both musicians and i’m majoring in voice performance… I know a good voice when I hear it. Arianny’s voice is so incredibly mediocre. Has a nasal, abrasive tone, non-existent phrasing, zero feel… everything about her singing is shitty.
Xtreme Couture- The best never rest! The girl in my av is Kari Sweets (you're welcome).
"I swear it upon Zeus an outstanding runner cannot be the equal of an average wrestler."
-Socrates
by ElliotMatheny on May 31, 2011 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Speaking up about sexual harassment isn't "militant feminism"
You do a nice job of trying to frame the argument, do you work in politics?
“Someone touched your body sexually and wouldn’t stop? Why that’s just “horndoggery”! You should laugh it off, stop with the “militant feminism”!"
Yeah, except you would respond so very differently if it happened to you personally. But so long as it’s those dumb, hot women over there who are “happy to be selling their bodies”, then it’s fine, even entertaining.
I’ve known a few strippers and models as well, and prostitutes. You don’t have to scratch the surface very far to see how unhappy many of them are, or how much early childhood abuse affected their lives and what they do now.
by Django Z on May 30, 2011 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Well personally,
I have no problem with prostitution and think it should be 100% legal. But that’s a discussion for another day.
The rest of your argument is crap because I actually said:
I know what Rampage did was sexual harassment, and he definitely can’t pull this kinda shit anymore
On the other side of the coin, Rampage has done this kind of shit to 2 OTHER ATTRACTIVE WOMEN interviewing him before. Anyone who interviews this dude should understand that he is crazy. Not to mention that Karyn Bryant flirts with just about everyone she interviews, didn’t say a single thing when Page said “I want to motorboat them titties”. Page then came close, closer, and closer still with each of his 3 motorboat attempts, and she didn’t show even an ounce of protest. Then she proceeded to put the video up on YT and label it “Rampage on Motorboating”.
This is a complete non- issue and you need to put down the crackpipe.
Xtreme Couture- The best never rest! The girl in my av is Kari Sweets (you're welcome).
"I swear it upon Zeus an outstanding runner cannot be the equal of an average wrestler."
-Socrates
by ElliotMatheny on May 31, 2011 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
word
Anderson Silva, Edson Barboza, Jose Aldo, Charles Oliveira, Thiago Alves = Muay Thai wrecking machines!
by SentientAndroid on May 31, 2011 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I feel like you said “Object of our affection” but you meant “object of our lust”. That girl in your AV is somebody daughter. The fact that your okay with treating a human being like your own personal sex toy because their lives are so fucking shattered that they’re okay with it is disgusting.
by TrueTillDeath on May 31, 2011 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Chill out bro.
“That’s someone’s daughter” is such a tired appeal to emotion. The fact of the matter is that “lust” and “affection” are very closely related feelings, and trying to say that lust is an evil thing goes against our biological makeup. I hate the fact that so many people try to make sex into a bad thing.
I’m not treating anyone like my own personal sex toy, i’m saying that she’s fucking attractive. That’s what she wants, and that’s how she makes her living. You say that all these girl’s lives are shattered, but that’s bullshit. There are plenty of women in the sex/ modeling industry that don’t have horrific stories of sex abuse as a child, just as there are plenty of women with regular jobs who WERE sexually abused.
Some people just have a realistic view of sex and don’t buy into the demonization of basic human functions.
Xtreme Couture- The best never rest! The girl in my av is Kari Sweets (you're welcome).
"I swear it upon Zeus an outstanding runner cannot be the equal of an average wrestler."
-Socrates
by ElliotMatheny on Jun 3, 2011 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm fine with objectifying the ring girls
It’s basically what their job is. They put on tiny clothes and prance around for guys. But it always makes me cringe to see competent, educated reporters and well-trained fighters treated the same way. Breaks my heart to see Miesha Tate show it off, not because that’s the kind of girl she is, but because that’s the only way to draw attention to yourself as a fighter. Sad state.
okay but dont actresses who are in blockbuster movies do the same thing? And is acting not as prestigious as fighting? Sometimes, believe it or not, women enjoy doing stuff like that – they have a good time with it. I can understand why a woman would not want to do it, but far be it for us to say that its a sad state or imply what “kind of girl she is” because she did a shoot for Maxim. Sometimes you have the tap the breaks on your do-gooder daddy instincts and understand these a strong, intelligent, capable women who are capable of making decisions that are contrary to the decisions we might have made for them.
"It is unlikely that anyone has ever read Nietzsche or Derrida and has been inspired to open a soup kitchen"
by troy145 on May 30, 2011 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, and because a woman makes a choice to do something, that makes it totally cool for men to talk about how they want to “pee in their butt”
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by Brent Brookhouse on May 30, 2011 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I said that? Mustve missed it.
"It is unlikely that anyone has ever read Nietzsche or Derrida and has been inspired to open a soup kitchen"
by troy145 on May 30, 2011 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Not YOU. But I’m saying that there is a difference between saying that it’s cool for a strong woman to choose to market her looks and the idea that their making such a choice opens them up to be spoken of as empty sluts.
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by Brent Brookhouse on May 30, 2011 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
No, you see,
that’s EXACTLY what the marketing execs want you to say. And the girls who are signing up for it know what the score is. If you’re going to dress half (sometimes FULLY) naked for everyone and their mothers to see, you’d better have a thick skin. If they don’t know the score, then that really is their bad.
Xtreme Couture- The best never rest! The girl in my av is Kari Sweets (you're welcome).
"I swear it upon Zeus an outstanding runner cannot be the equal of an average wrestler."
-Socrates
by ElliotMatheny on May 30, 2011 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
So, if a girl wants to sell her looks for a better life, its okay for men to indulge in that? They’re asking for it?
There are thousands of 12 years-olds in Thailand who did the exact same thing. Some sick fuck has sex with them every day. But ya know what, they asked for it right? They just trying to create a better life? Its okay.
The decision a women, or little girl, makes to allow a men to view her as some soulless sex object comes from a place of brokenness. From a place of poverty, starvation, or an incredible lack of self worth.
by TrueTillDeath on May 31, 2011 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I think we can all agree
that 12 is (for the most part) too young for anyone to be making those kinds of decisions.
Your generalization couldn’t be further off the mark. You obviously have a very puritanical view on sex and i’m not going to waste my time trying to persuade you otherwise.
Xtreme Couture- The best never rest! The girl in my av is Kari Sweets (you're welcome).
"I swear it upon Zeus an outstanding runner cannot be the equal of an average wrestler."
-Socrates
by ElliotMatheny on Jun 3, 2011 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I am willing...
…to go with “it’s just entertainment.” If that was the ONLY option for them to make a living, I would feel bad, but the last time I looked, the secretary of state, the most powerful diplomat in the world, was a woman.
Sex is what were are here for.
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Mohandas Gandhi
"The fight is won or lost far away from witnesses - behind the lines, in the gym, and out there on the road, long before I dance under those lights."
Muhammad Ali
"If MMA is like dog fighting, those are some pretty fucking smart dogs."
"I don’t want to lick any butt."
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by jackbox on May 30, 2011 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Breaks my heart to see Miesha Tate show it off,
Seriously? I have no issue whatsoever with her decision to play the game for what it is…
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by The American Ronin on May 31, 2011 2:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Seriously.
The notion that women showing off their body is somehow wrong is just stupid. Sex appeal is something that will help you in any career, especially sports. It’s the same with men- does anyone think that Todd Duffee would have anywhere near as much hype as he did if he weren’t built like a brick shithouse? Would Brock Lesnar be such a draw if he had Jon Madsen’s physique? Would Roger Huerta have been on the cover of SI if he didn’t have classic good looks, washboard abs, dreamy eyes, muscular calves um I mean if he weren’t a handsome dude?
Rampage takes a fucking myspace bathroom mirror cell phone pic of his abs to show that he’s in shape and seriously training for the fight. Sharapova and Kournikova have both been hugely marketable because they’re cute women athletes.
People need to stop soapboxing and acting like admiring someone’s physique is perverse or objectifying.
Xtreme Couture- The best never rest! The girl in my av is Kari Sweets (you're welcome).
"I swear it upon Zeus an outstanding runner cannot be the equal of an average wrestler."
-Socrates
by ElliotMatheny on May 31, 2011 3:20 AM EDT up reply actions
LOL!
@ the Huerta comment, you’re on a roll today. And I absolutely agree with EVERYTHING that you’re saying. Women have been objectified since fucking forever, I’m not saying it’s right, not saying it’s wrong. Honestly it’s male nature…straight male nature anyways, it’s just the way it is. I’m intensely attracted to my gf of 3.7 years, but I can’t help but notice other attractive women in skin tight clothing, little dainty clothes, or nothing at all for that matter. It’s just the way it is.
Now I may get stoned for this, but Rampage was just fucking around. Was it too much? did he cross the line? But then again people know Rampage, they know that he’s one of the most spontaneous characters in mma. It’s not too much different than other outspoken individuals like Monique and that other lady, the “How You Doing?” lady that have zero problems getting a little to fresh with their male guests…and speaking on a similar subject, didn’t Kirstie Alley get incredibly flirtatious with Jon Jones a couple months back??? And no one said a fucking thing.
So can everybody just chillax?
Anderson Silva, Edson Barboza, Jose Aldo, Charles Oliveira, Thiago Alves = Muay Thai wrecking machines!
by SentientAndroid on May 31, 2011 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I second your chill pill motion.
Xtreme Couture- The best never rest! The girl in my av is Kari Sweets (you're welcome).
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by ElliotMatheny on May 31, 2011 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I ain't sweatin' it.
Learn JiuJitsu, it's fun.
We can put a man on the moon, build the Great Wall, scale Everest, but we can't fire Cecil Peoples.
Never forget
Remember, the same MMA fan base that whiles about exploitation of women also creates .gifs like this – and, sadly, I’d imagine those kind of fans watch more WMMA than the other half.
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by Derek Suboticki on May 30, 2011 2:26 PM EDT reply actions
Ill be the first to admit that I dont watch any womens MMA. The only womens sport I watch is womens college and pro tennis, and that has nothing to do with aesthetics.
But, then again I’m not creating these gifs, buying Maxim or ogling over attractive female fighters.
Not really sure where I’m going with this.
Big Gulps, huh? Well, see ya later!
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by Matthew Roth on May 30, 2011 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
i'm part of the half that watches because he loves the sport.
but goddamn, who was that?
by Victor Rodriguez on May 30, 2011 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Miesha Tate
If Derek Jeter clubbed a baby seal on earth day while wearing a mink coat and crocodile skin boots while burning tires on an iceberg, the reaction would be "Its OK Derek, you’re a Yankee." -First mammal to wear pants
wow. thanks.
i’ve seen her fight, but i hadn’t noticed that.
by Victor Rodriguez on May 30, 2011 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Here's a non-sexualized WMMA gif for everyone to enjoy
… unless you’re some weirdo with a obstacle course fetish. In which case I give up.
when i find out. who did this !!!!!
They are fuckin dead!!!!
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by the-gentle-way on May 31, 2011 12:40 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
lol!
Anderson Silva, Edson Barboza, Jose Aldo, Charles Oliveira, Thiago Alves = Muay Thai wrecking machines!
by SentientAndroid on May 31, 2011 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I will say this, I do think it is high time that Arianny Celeste was appreciated not just for her ability to carry a numbered octagon card or to blow kisses and wave at the camera. Or to get naked in a magazine.
We need to appreciate her for the high level, visionary, recording artist that she is. Most all great performers and artists are misunderstood. Arianny is like Macy Gray, Bob Dylan and Nina Simone all rolled into one package. She makes me want to fight to love her and that my friends is why Arianny is the best.
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by Earl Montclair on May 30, 2011 2:27 PM EDT reply actions 16 recs
It's not that I WANT to fight to love her
It’s that she finally made me understood that I GOTTA.
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by Derek Suboticki on May 30, 2011 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
So
my first challenger arises. Choose your weapon….
"Every time I talk on the phone with someone who doesn’t know me, they call me "ma’am"." .....cut to a couple months later....... "You can alter that sig now. I spoke with someone I know on the phone and she repeatedly addressed me as a female. Fuck." - Scott C. Broussard
by Earl Montclair on May 30, 2011 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I choose… loud speakers blaring Celeste’s song.
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by Derek Suboticki on May 30, 2011 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
air tap
"Every time I talk on the phone with someone who doesn’t know me, they call me "ma’am"." .....cut to a couple months later....... "You can alter that sig now. I spoke with someone I know on the phone and she repeatedly addressed me as a female. Fuck." - Scott C. Broussard
by Earl Montclair on May 30, 2011 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
I dunno why that gif makes me sad.
It’s just like Toney’s thinking “WTF I’m doing here, man?? The IRS just took my money. What’s wrong with me?”
Sorry. Got sentimental for a second.
by Unabomberman on May 30, 2011 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Best Post of 2011
I choose… loud speakers blaring Celeste’s song.
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by ANance on May 30, 2011 2:30 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I just hope you are also offended by the Panty Dropper of the Week, Brent; since it’s basically the opposite sex’s equivalent to objectification.
GSP - A machine designed specifically to stop Jon Fitch from ever becoming champion.
by zakkree on May 30, 2011 2:29 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
That wasn't the entirety of the article.
as the discussion shifts to talk of who would and wouldn’t sleep with the woman involved
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by zakkree on May 30, 2011 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I am just offended they haven't made me the Panty Dropper of the Week.
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by Earl Montclair on May 30, 2011 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I think it would be called the “trenchcoat-wearing guy I have a restraining order against”…of the week.
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whatever bro
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by Earl Montclair on May 30, 2011 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
?
Please explain, is that a balloon?
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by SentientAndroid on May 31, 2011 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s one site doing a pretty clear joke post vs. the VAST majority of MMA sites posting pictures of women and then having a comment section fill with talk of wanting to “pee in butts” and discuss who would fuck the girl and how specifically they’d go about it.
I’ve made it clear that I’m not a huge an of the pantydropper thing, but it’s not exactly a widespread epidemic in the sport.
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by Brent Brookhouse on May 30, 2011 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
*huge fan
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by Brent Brookhouse on May 30, 2011 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I avoided their site for quite awhile because I thought "panty dropper of the week" sounded so stupid.
Turns out the site isn’t bad, still wish they would cut that piece.
Fair point.
And I respect your opinion. I’ve always expected the objectification to exist from both sexes to an extent, but you’re right about how ridiculous and overboard it becomes at times.
GSP - A machine designed specifically to stop Jon Fitch from ever becoming champion.
I’ve made it clear that I’m not a huge an of the pantydropper thing, but it’s not exactly a widespread epidemic in the sport.
I think what the counterpoint is, is that its not just a widespread epidemic in MMA. Misogyny is a widespread epidemic in humanity. Lil Wayne has found no issues breaking in to the mainstream, nor has Brandon Marshall or Arnold Schwarzenegger or whoever else. This isn’t a problem unique to MMA, and its important to not to create the perception that it is.
"It is unlikely that anyone has ever read Nietzsche or Derrida and has been inspired to open a soup kitchen"
by troy145 on May 30, 2011 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
It’s not UNIQUE to MMA. But MMA features it much more strongly than a sport like baseball, football, hockey, basketball…
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by Brent Brookhouse on May 30, 2011 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Does it though?
Baseball aside, football has a rapist for a superstar QB, cheerleaders which are basically the blueprint for ring girls, and a team that harassed a reporter in their locker room. I’d say the atmosphere is worse in football to be honest.
by Gitaroo_Dude on May 30, 2011 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
To be clear though
That doesn’t absolve MMA fandom either
by Gitaroo_Dude on May 30, 2011 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I can’t quite express enough that nowhere did I say to get rid or ring girls. I said that we can talk about them without going “OH DUDE! I WANNA FUCK HER SO BAD THAT I’M GOING TO MASTURBATE RIGHT NOW!”
Yes, there are rapists and horrible pieces of shit everywhere. But, as someone who worked on a site that covered ALL sports, I never saw the level of perverse commenting on any other sport that I’ve seen with regularity in MMA.
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by Brent Brookhouse on May 30, 2011 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Sorry Brent
But I think I’m taking your caps-lock statement out of context and adding it to my sig.
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Here's the way I think of it.
When you’re in a restaurant, they will show you a menu of things that you obviously would enjoy eating. But you don’t order by yelling “I can’t wait for my stomach acids to break that down into shit so I take a massive fucking dump 8 hours from now!”
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by pdl on May 30, 2011 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
You've obviously never had Taco Bell's Beefy Crunch Burrito
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by Anthony Pace on May 30, 2011 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I respect and agree with your opinion
but are you new to guys?
If you get a bunch of guys together around attractive women in little clothes they will act like morons. That’s just the way it is. If you don’t want it on the site then ban guys who post comments about peeing in butts.
This article is equivalent to arguing for getting rid of alcohol at sporting events because it some people behave like jerks. It makes sense but it’s not going to happen.
You are banging your head against a wall
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by malkav on May 30, 2011 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
No, this article is like telling men to not act like they are entitled to dehumanizing women and act like beasts. It’s not a lot to ask for, despite our culture of misogynist hegemony.
by bigstupidsmile on May 30, 2011 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
It's a lot to ask
for there to be no assholes in a large group of people. Anyone who wanders onto this site can comment. Some of those people are going to suck. Engaging them in a reasoned critique of their behaviour is not the answer. You ban them, whether it’s real life or the internet, you stop the interaction.
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by malkav on May 30, 2011 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
This is a very disturbing point. But could it possibly be because the ring girls have been made into a celebrity as well? I mean besides diehards who can name a cheerleader from any NFL team? I watch a ton of football and can’t name a single cheerleader. I’m not arguing an excuse just asking a question.
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by Mikey the Pikey on May 30, 2011 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
If you feel this way Brent you should be against ring girls.
by p123 on May 30, 2011 3:46 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Wrong. We all come to this site for the level of decorum it pursues.
We all want to see pics of hot chicks. My opinion of what one of Brent’s issues he’s articulating is the utter classless comments people make whenever a pic of said hot female gets posted. And, my wife hates it when I call her “hot”. And she is.
Life is hard....get a fucking helmet.
And, my wife hates it when I call her "hot". And she is.
Me too, and my wife constantly tries to argue to the contrary…but no one else does…
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by The American Ronin on May 31, 2011 3:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Damn Brent,
on days like this, it must be really frustrating to be you.
Not trying to put words in the man’s mouth, but I think his basic point is, enjoy, but don’t be a douche.
Is it really that hard for everyone to grasp? Serious question…
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by The American Ronin on May 31, 2011 3:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Men are going to be men. If you post a picture of a highly attractive female showing off her plump cakes, toned stomach and beautiful breasts, you’re just bound to get various responses commenting on said attributes…from “my gosh that’s an attractive young lady” to “ARGHROFLMOMER LOOK AT THAT ASS JIZZBOMBHERFACE!!!!!!!”
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by SentientAndroid on May 31, 2011 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
It doesn’t matter if it’s a ring girl, female mma fighter, hooters girl, cashier at walmart, police officer, doctor, lawyer etc. Some women no matter what the profession are just fucking sexy and we, as straight men, naturally respond to that. But of course the problem is HOW some of us respond.
No matter what though, this has been a problem since forever. Brent asking this question is similar to the whole “how women are portrayed in hiphop culture”, and that’s a whole can of worms of the most vile.
Fun Fact: Homo Sapiens have been on earth for thousands of years and women have only began to be treated “equal” with men for what, 50-60 years give or take a decade?
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by SentientAndroid on May 31, 2011 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d say the atmosphere is worse in football to be honest.
Show me the clip of Terrell Owens or Brett Favre pretending to motorboad Pam Oliver and I’ll agree with you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rzje597rVyw&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DdDGYsYXHKc&feature=related
about a minutes search on google yielded that right away
"It is unlikely that anyone has ever read Nietzsche or Derrida and has been inspired to open a soup kitchen"
Wow, that second video is just embarassaing. Was he raked over the coals by the media over it (honest question).
i dont think so. i dont think Erin Andrews would want there to be that much pub about it especially in the middle of a seasonw here she may have to interview the players again and still do her job. i think a journalist naturally wants to cover the story, not be the story.
"It is unlikely that anyone has ever read Nietzsche or Derrida and has been inspired to open a soup kitchen"
I think the only reason thats true is because baseball, football, hockey, basketball… don’t have high level female leagues. Basketball would be the exception, and I couldnt tell you if people go nuts over female basketball players or not because I dont spend any time on their websites or searching their videos or anything.
However I do know that there is a Lingerie Football League, and Jenny Finch has been much talked about in many a lockerroom. Anyone who knows anything about Ovechkin knows he’d probably make a great wingman for Page. Its really not unique. Its just easier for us to focus on it in MMA and feel like its a bigger problem here because MMA is where we spend most all of our time.
"It is unlikely that anyone has ever read Nietzsche or Derrida and has been inspired to open a soup kitchen"
hockey doesnt have a high level female league?
riiight…
and softball?
sorry your comment doesnt make any sense. except football there are female leagues everywhere. much much much more dominant than the womans mma
Ah, gravity - thou art a heartless bitch.
He means football, not soccer. :P
GSP - A machine designed specifically to stop Jon Fitch from ever becoming champion.
There are professional female gridiron football leagues? If so, they must not be thaaat popular.
GSP - A machine designed specifically to stop Jon Fitch from ever becoming champion.
You've never heard of the North Texas Knockouts or the Monterrey Black Mambas?
Shame on you for being so sexist
The LFL (Lingerie Football League) seems to be the most popular one.
by Brad Ackerson on May 30, 2011 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
What is the highest league of women’s hockey, outside of international competition?
I also adressed softball so keep trying. I dont know why everyone wants to act like such a dick because I have a slightly contrary opinion. I’m not advocating misogyny – I’m simply saying its occurrence in MMA is being overstated relative to EVERY OTHER ASPECT of Western life. The DMB song “Crash Into Me” gets played in my Dentists’ office for Gods’ sakes.
"It is unlikely that anyone has ever read Nietzsche or Derrida and has been inspired to open a soup kitchen"
There is no “highest league” in women’s hockey, the top players are mostly scattered throughout small regional leagues and university teams.
by Brad Ackerson on May 30, 2011 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Olympic women's hockey
is the highest level of women’s hockey out there. Other then that there is the IIHF women’s hockey championship every year.
Yeah, I’m Canadian, so what?
"Serious sport is war minus the shooting."
George Orwell
My two cents
I’m not even going to get into the ring girl issue, as I think that’s a completely different argument, but I’d like to talk about women sports journalists. I still think that there’s a belief among a certain portion of the sports watching population that women sports reporters are a novelty. Things are getting better in “mainstream” sports (I’m thinking of the Joe Namath incident a few years ago) but MMA is still almost completely a man’s world. The fact of the matter is, if Jackson walked up to a woman in a bar and started humping her leg and motored boated her without her permission, he would be arrested with an assault charge. However, Bryant and the other women he’s attacked have had to laugh and “play along”, despite the fact that he’s completely demeaning their place in MMA journalism with his actions. If Dana White had any sense, he’d fire Jackson immediately.
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by Donna on May 30, 2011 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
"fire Jackson immediately."
No fine, no warning, just a loss of his job for dancing along the lines of indecency/messing around in a niche sport where grown men beat each other’s face in and snap bones? Kinda harsh…
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by SentientAndroid on May 31, 2011 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
You have zero evidence...
Of this.
However, Bryant and the other women he’s attacked have had to laugh and "play along"
by Sergio Hernandez on May 31, 2011 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Just watch the videos for evidence.
You can see the discomfort in the women’s faces.
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This is some white knighting for sure.
Most guys who watch combat sports are Heterosexuals.
Marketing companies, the UFC included, bank on that to get us out to fights, to buy PPVs, and other assorted wares.
In other words, sex sells.
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2011/5/23/2185842/miss-strikeforce-2011-kelli-hutchersons-maxim-photo-shoot-and-videos
Sup bloody elbow?
You think half of these women reporters would even have their jobs if being a sexy woman didn’t help them get access and interviews?
It’s not like we’re so stupid that we can’t appreciate female MMA athletes, and ALSO not want to look at sexy ring girls.
Sick of having my wallet picked by the same people trying to make me feel bad about objectification.
by Roaringblood on May 30, 2011 2:29 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
…did you not read the post? Because you’re all “here’s a link that’s TOTALLY IN YOUR FACE” when I discussed that exact post IN the article
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by Brent Brookhouse on May 30, 2011 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions 10 recs
Sup bloody elbow?
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by Derek Suboticki on May 30, 2011 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Sup Subes?
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by lowellthehammer on May 30, 2011 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Brent, you've been doing this long enough to know
That he didn’t read the post at all.
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by Matthew Roth on May 30, 2011 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Well you kinda had to mention it, not that you linked to it, or you’d look even worse.
by Roaringblood on May 30, 2011 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Also..
Why is it ok for Gay males and women to enjoy MMA because it’s too buff guys grappling, and straight guys can’t watch a little motorboating?
by Roaringblood on May 30, 2011 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
That is sincerely the most foolish point I've ever seen made in a debate.
by Brent Ducharme on May 30, 2011 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions 13 recs
Don’t worry, give Derek 10 minutes, he can top that.
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LOL
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by Anthony Pace on May 30, 2011 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions
http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2009-10-31/is-ultimate-fighting-gay/
“I found out later that the two men sitting with the aroused women were among a growing gay MMA fan base. They told me that they were just as turned on by the action as their female friend but contained themselves for fear of retribution from the “hyper-macho” crowd. “She says what we can’t when we watch the fights in public,” one said.
Recently, gay bloggers, homophobic critics of MMA, and even straight fans have declared that one of the great appeals of the sport is its homoeroticism. They note the large number of gay men and straight women who have become fans of MMA and attribute it to the appeal of the nearly-naked hard bodies of the fighters and the intimate, often pelvic techniques of Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, the favored grappling discipline in the sport."
Sex sells to everybody. Stop acting like Straight men are bad guys.
Find some other cheap angle to write about.
by Roaringblood on May 30, 2011 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
his point
is that mma fans encourage sexism because rampage jackson did what rampage jackson does. Then he tried to slam cp.
he was hoping everybody would jump on his bandwagon and shake their head… but it’s a vapid point to begin with.
What am I missing exactly?
by Roaringblood on May 30, 2011 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
No. He’s saying that we can talk about things like this without being complete gorillas and utterly disrespectful. CP talked about it this morning as well. That’s why he brought them up. There’s no bandwagon to jump on, it’s an opinion piece. If you feel it’s vapid, that’s up to you.
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by Tim Burke on May 30, 2011 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
It's a terrible point to make as you still haven't read Brookhouse's post.
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by Matthew Roth on May 30, 2011 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
We're talking about actively creating hypersexualized portrayals of women in the MMA community
and you’re talking about the incidental enjoyment certain populations get from watching two men grapple.
by Brent Ducharme on May 30, 2011 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s not incidental when that’s why they watch it. speaking of not reading a previous article. Damn.
So you’re saying looking at Jits as an allegory for sex and tuning in just for “hard” bodies isn’t hypersexual?
Come on son.
by Roaringblood on May 30, 2011 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm saying that, if we take the next step, we're looking to find ways to lessen that trend.
You want to eliminate grappling too?
by Brent Ducharme on May 30, 2011 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
What trend?
Men like to look at women.
That’s not a trend.
I’m saying lighten up.
by Roaringblood on May 30, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Looking isn’t the issue. It’s the childish response to what you see that is the problem.
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by Tim Burke on May 30, 2011 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
its the internet
Ah, gravity - thou art a heartless bitch.
by Newfie3 on May 30, 2011 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
That is and always has been, a bullshit copout.
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by Tim Burke on May 30, 2011 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
it's life
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by SentientAndroid on May 31, 2011 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
We're just looking at it two different ways I guess, which is okay.
The trend that I’m talking about is the same one that Brookhouse is looking to identify in his article. It’s pretty straightforward.
If the crux of the discussion is “hey, we should lessen this,” then your point is quite interesting as grappling is integral to the sport whereas women being demeaned isn’t.
by Brent Ducharme on May 30, 2011 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
"lighten up"
Because I really have no point to make and I’m feeling uncomfortable
Close friends with “can’t you take a joke?” and “if I offended anyone”
Wait what?
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by Matthew Roth on May 30, 2011 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Why am I not surprised
This guy is rocking a Diaz AV?
by Gitaroo_Dude on May 30, 2011 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Ignoring the fact that motor boating a woman without permission is assault
The women he’s done this to are trying to make a living as MMA journalists. Working as a woman in a man’s world (sorry for the cliche) will be hard enough for these ladies, but Jackson’s actions tell us, “I don’t respect these women,” and by extension, you don’t have to either.
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by Donna on May 30, 2011 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Not to make excuses
but wasn’t this directly after the fight when he was interviewed? While he’s still amped up and coming off an adrenaline high, a man who’s already ridiculously spontaneous when he’s not amped? And isn’t Bryant KNOWN for flirting with basically EVERY male mma fighter?
Nothing against you at all Donna, just playing advocate I guess.
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by SentientAndroid on May 31, 2011 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Nicely done Brent
But I doubt mucchen rural change will occur without change at the institutional level. I can only imagine what goes through a female fighter’s mind as she’s sitting in her corner between rounds and and sees a skimpily dressed ring girl is parading around with a sign saying 2 or 3. Ring girls are completely gratuitous.
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by mburtoni on May 30, 2011 2:30 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
I can only imagine what goes through a female fighter’s mind as she’s sitting in her corner between rounds and and sees a skimpily dressed ring girl is parading around with a sign saying 2 or 3
hopefully she is thinking about the fight, or she’ll probably get KOd the next round
Ah, gravity - thou art a heartless bitch.
by Newfie3 on May 30, 2011 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
target audience for MMA - 18-35 yr old males
thats enough said right there.
Now im going back to MMAMania where women are embraced
Ah, gravity - thou art a heartless bitch.
by Newfie3 on May 30, 2011 2:30 PM EDT reply actions 5 recs
Still a Beer Monster.
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by Tim Burke on May 30, 2011 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions 11 recs
Love the sig...
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by The American Ronin on May 31, 2011 3:16 AM EDT up reply actions
why the hard-on for the Potato?
Anyone will tell you they’re more a comedy site than anything else. Their site mates are places like “chickipedia”, for f$#k sakes.
Also, don’t tell me Roger Huerta, GSP, and other guys don’t get views by the fairer sex for their fighting skill…
Read me trying to be funny at:
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by esquilinho on May 30, 2011 2:30 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Cage Potato is, and has gotten progressively more, terrible.
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by Derek Suboticki on May 30, 2011 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Better read
than anything you’ve ever wrote.
Just sayin’ not hatin’
by Roaringblood on May 30, 2011 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Right
I should stick to leaking Playboy pictures and then bitching about the consequences.
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by Derek Suboticki on May 30, 2011 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Lol this comment section is going to get absurd rather soon.
GSP - A machine designed specifically to stop Jon Fitch from ever becoming champion.
by zakkree on May 30, 2011 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think we've crossed into that abyss already my friend
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by malkav on May 30, 2011 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hypocrite
I’ve read the shit you post on Fightlinker/fightlinker podcasts and in fightlinker chats
You’re always awkwardly posting about women, but you’re here slamming cp?
Grow up man.
by Roaringblood on May 30, 2011 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Guh?
Examples, please.
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by Derek Suboticki on May 30, 2011 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I am pretty sure
Mr. Suboticki propositioned me in an airport bathroom. Then he said it was his wide stance. Yeah right.
Good, bad... I'm the guy with the gun.
That shit is entrapment
/continues to be Senator
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by Derek Suboticki on May 30, 2011 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d like to see some too. If you’re gonna call out the goober, do it if for a good reason at least.
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Clunky prose?
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by Jack.Barrington on May 30, 2011 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions
No, your post makes sense. That was a (joking) response to it, not a critique.
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by Jack.Barrington on May 30, 2011 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions
When did the readership of this site
turn into a bunch of dribbling, barely-literate morons like yourself?
Just sayin’ not hatin’ brah
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by Sabate on May 30, 2011 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
When I stopped posting as much because of HeadKickLegend.com duties.
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by Matthew Roth on May 30, 2011 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Fine...and when dutchbaby left as well...
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by Matthew Roth on May 30, 2011 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
It also didn't help when I gave up sobriety for Lent.
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No, not Savate.
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Fowlkes was good.
Since his departure the site turned to shit. At least Fightlinker is still funny when it gets updated once a month.
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by lowellthehammer on May 30, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Fightlinker was great when it was just Ryan & Jake posting. Once they started bringing on other writers, the quality of their content went in the toilet.
Clint is fucking terrible and subo is subo.
Ryan is the only one worth reading.
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by lowellthehammer on May 30, 2011 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m going to do the rarest of things by defending Subo and call bullshit on that comment.
Initiative comes to thems that wait.
by memitim on May 30, 2011 3:21 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
They wrote a long piece which I linked to about how big of an issue the Jackson thing is, which…as I mentioned…made them an easy target to point out that it’s hard to ever take anyone seriously (even me) when they object to this stuff given how rampant it in in MMA.
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by Brent Brookhouse on May 30, 2011 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah GSP, Huerta and Pettis are fucking gorgeous…wait, what???
Ah who am I kidding, I’m a straight male and damnit GSP, Huerta, and Pettis are fucking hot. Yeah I said it!
Anderson Silva, Edson Barboza, Jose Aldo, Charles Oliveira, Thiago Alves = Muay Thai wrecking machines!
by SentientAndroid on May 31, 2011 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions
It might be overly-simplistic to say but,...
… can’t there be BALANCE? I don’t have a problem seeing sexy women rub themselves down for the entertain of the viewers I can watch Gina Carano fight and feel like I am watching an athlete and am impressed by her skills. Another side of me says “wow! She is so hot!” when I see her splayed out in Maxim.
My wife LOVES GSP because he is A) very talented, and B) can wear a suit. I think we have these aspects in us.
Male sports reporters go into a locker room after a team wins a championship. He gets doused in champagne. Symbolic bukkake ritual. Whatever. But because the reporter is a man, he can “take it.”
A female sports reporter does the same thing. Same results and whether or not she is “cool” with it, it is seen as some sort near-rape.
I don’t think so.
But when I read stuff like such-and-such a ring girl is a “fat pig” or that Zola Frausto is a “man, baby!” … I feel embarrassed. i think we can have adult fun without being juvenile.
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by jackbox on May 30, 2011 2:31 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I would never say “don’t think that girls are hot”
That’s not the point.
It’s that I can say that I think a girl is attractive without then talking about how badly I want to nail her.
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by Brent Brookhouse on May 30, 2011 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions 8 recs
It’s that I can say that I think a girl is attractive without then talking about how badly I want to nail her.
This is it in a nutshell. THIS.
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I agree with this but I think when you call attention to cage potato or ONE fighters antics, you run the risk of creating a negative perception when there wasn’t one before. Happens all the time all over the place.
"It is unlikely that anyone has ever read Nietzsche or Derrida and has been inspired to open a soup kitchen"
He’s calling attention to Cage Potato because they wrote about it this morning. And he’s quite clear that it’s not just them, it’s all over the place.
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Theres a perception that its all over the palce anyways. And the whole point is that it exists to the level where it will be a detriment to MMA’s attempts to attain the all-important God status of “mainstream” whatever that is.
My point is that most people in the “mainstream” don’t carry the same perception, and there runs the risk of creating that perception where it didn’t exist before.
"It is unlikely that anyone has ever read Nietzsche or Derrida and has been inspired to open a soup kitchen"
I think the perception is created by Rampage doing things like this. Not because Brent is writing about the topic.
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But Namath does teh same thing on sidelines. Brandon Marshall is a woman abuser. Roethlisberger has been arrested multiple times for sexual misconduct. The list goes on. The NFL has never done better.
You of all people should know better than to oversimplify the issue and trivialize the impact of media in order to make a point.
"It is unlikely that anyone has ever read Nietzsche or Derrida and has been inspired to open a soup kitchen"
by troy145 on May 30, 2011 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The problem is that you’re making comparisons to other sports when there’s no need to. The worst thing you can do when trying to make a counterpoint is to say “B-but they do it too!” That doesn’t make it okay. It means they BOTH have to change.
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by Tim Burke on May 30, 2011 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Obviously, and again, I think its silly for you to oversimplify my point. Society is where it is today, and its fucked up, but my ONLY point is that its easier to create negative perceptions that didn’t exist before when you start calling extra attention to an issue. Its not like anyones mind is going to be changed – this is a generational issue.
"It is unlikely that anyone has ever read Nietzsche or Derrida and has been inspired to open a soup kitchen"
I completely disagree. Things never change unless you address them.
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by Tim Burke on May 30, 2011 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Address them in the proper venue, yeah.
But if BE can change misogyny, we ought to start posting articles on world hunger and peace in the Kashmir region as well.
"It is unlikely that anyone has ever read Nietzsche or Derrida and has been inspired to open a soup kitchen"
He’s addressing misogyny in MMA and on the website he writes for. Where the hell else is he supposed to address it?
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I dont get why youre so upset. Take a breath.
“The MMA Community’s Attitude Towards Women” carries an implication that its a unique problem in the world of MMA. Nevermind that one of our biggest promotion has brought women’s MMA to national audiences in the same event as the men’s, or that MMA’s biggest promotion has female referees.
The entirety of my point, one that I think is fair, and simple, and non-controversial is that we ought to be careful not to aid in creating a more negative perception than previously existed anyways. Im just nutty that way.
"It is unlikely that anyone has ever read Nietzsche or Derrida and has been inspired to open a soup kitchen"
Using the expression “where the hell” doesn’t mean I’m upset. At all. I rarely get upset at anything, and it surely wouldn’t be over this.
I just think the point you’re making is weird. You’re acting Brent’s creating a problem by talking about an issues like this. I find that to be ridiculous, and completely backwards. We can agree to disagree, it’s all good.
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I guess for me is its a culmination. I get this impression from a lot of things on BE.
"It is unlikely that anyone has ever read Nietzsche or Derrida and has been inspired to open a soup kitchen"
Right now? No. I’m openly lazy and I dont post here much anymore so itd take work to find the kinds of things Im thinking of.
Maybe one day I’ll get feeling motivated and make a well-thought out and reasoned fanpost for people to shit on. The irony!
"It is unlikely that anyone has ever read Nietzsche or Derrida and has been inspired to open a soup kitchen"
I can't speak for everybody,
But I pretty much just shit on everything.
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Roethlisberger has been arrested multiple times for sexual misconduct.
He has?!?
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by The American Ronin on May 31, 2011 3:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Is that the line? I think of myself as progressive towards woman’s rights as they come, but unfortunately I still do objectify women to an extent. I do find women attractive, I try and be respectful and not stare and ogle but there are times when I do think about nailing them. I do not post those thoughts on an MMA board but does that make a difference?
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by Mikey the Pikey on May 30, 2011 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
YES!
Saying people shouldn’t think about sex is some middle ages shit.
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by Brent Brookhouse on May 30, 2011 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I fucking hate Pikeys.
".He still has a ground game that seems heavily dependent on lying still and hoping that his opponent won't notice his very kimura-able arm..."
by dancingChicken on May 30, 2011 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I think thats how people generally behave in real social interactions but forum/blog comment sections tend to be a little more shortbus.
Not quite. I go out with some friends and when there are attractive females about they stare but in a creepy sort of uncomfortable way. I feel uncomfortable for the females. Not saying I didn’t look too but I gave a glance, enjoyed the view and moved on while some of my boys will stare not breaking contact until the woman is completely out of view. Not giving a fuck if she is made uncomfortable by the eye rape.
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by Mikey the Pikey on May 30, 2011 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Sounds like you might have to upgrade your friends.
Also… “eye-rape” … that’s a little ridiculous and makes light of people that have been victims of actual assault.
Sigh...
okay, and as an homage to Archer, eye-banging…
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by The American Ronin on May 31, 2011 3:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh boohoo!!
So you guys are adults. Most guys aren’t and especially aren’t when they get on the internet and they can behave like juveniles in a semi-public forum.
I say semi-public because that is what the internet is. Everyone can see what you are saying, but they can’t see who you are.
You just sound like the dude who is crass with his male friends but then turns around and says “yeah those guys are pigs” when his girlfriend shows up.
by Luke Nelson on May 30, 2011 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
GSP in a suit....Gina splayed out in Maxim
Hmmm, something is different here, now what is it…
by Django Z on May 30, 2011 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
It’s human nature and it’s never gonna change. Get over it.
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by ANance on May 30, 2011 2:32 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 2 recs
Somehow straight male athletes in other sports..
..have changed their “human nature” so that they don’t grope female reporters. Why not MMA?
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by Sabate on May 30, 2011 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
really? Joe Namath on the sideline of a Monday Night Football game comes immediately to mind.
"It is unlikely that anyone has ever read Nietzsche or Derrida and has been inspired to open a soup kitchen"
by troy145 on May 30, 2011 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Namath
hasn’t been a “male athlete in other sports” in what, 35 years or so?
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by The American Ronin on May 31, 2011 3:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Agree to an extent
Amazing piece! I can easily say the most thought provoking piece I have read on this site.
When I watched Rampage dry hump that reporter it made me feel uncomfortable and I am a Rampage fan. His actions post 130 were also unacceptable. Unfortunately the old adage is true though, sex sells. Football has scantily clad cheerleaders that we see at least once every 15 minutes. There are websites dedicated to them. From beer to TV and cars women are used to sell products directly to men. So why not MMA?
It is not just a man thing as well, there is a site that has a panty dropper of the week right? And I know a few females that are more interested in watching the weight ins then the actual fights themselves.
I personally don’t care to see the ring girls, the cheerleaders or the crazy beer commercials with mostly naked women, but that’s just me and I realize that I am in the minority. There should be a fine line where objectification is tolerated. Unfortunately Rampage crosses that line with every female he come into contact with on camera.
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by Mikey the Pikey on May 30, 2011 2:33 PM EDT reply actions
I think the MMA community is diverse enough
for each of us to have our places to visit. BE’s standards is higher than in many other blogs, which is why I love it here, but I wouldn’t say Cagepotato and the likes would have to be careful with their content, their content is what makes their sites great for their readers. I’ve gone to Cagepotato a few times, and found the site to be offensive not only from their readers but from the writers as well, but I just don’t go back because it’s not for me. MMA is followed by a wide variety of people in high school all the way to their late 40’s, it’s understandable to have a difference in perspective. The only thing I’m against really is Rampage dry humping reporters, I think our focus should stay on the athlete and not the community.
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and not always will those who take you out of shit be your friends
I just wanna watch fights and look at nice girls.
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by underrated ground game on May 30, 2011 2:38 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
sup bloody elbow?
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by Matthew Roth on May 30, 2011 2:39 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Oh jog on.
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by pdl on May 30, 2011 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Fuck that
I just watched the interview and changed my opinion. IMO, you can’t judge fighters for anything they say after a fight. They’ve just been through a naturally traumatic experience and don’t have it all together, having just been hit in the head really hard a bunch of times.
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by mburtoni on May 30, 2011 2:41 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Yeah
Because Rampage got hit so much.
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by underrated ground game on May 30, 2011 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Not to mention that he…uh…has a history of doing this?
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by Brent Brookhouse on May 30, 2011 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
that makes no sense
if that were true all fighters would be doing crazy stuff after their fights, yet they don’t…
not always will those who dumps on you be your enemies
and not always will those who take you out of shit be your friends
Yep, boys will be boys
Sometimes athletes just need to go assault some women. Really nothing to be done about it.
mburtoni, you make a lot of sense.
by Django Z on May 30, 2011 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
do we expect any more or less from rampage?
in pride, he was asked how he was going to celebrate his victory and his answer was “im gonna fuck my ass off tonight”
Ah, gravity - thou art a heartless bitch.
by Newfie3 on May 30, 2011 2:42 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Yeah IMO he toned it down a lot.
He didn’t ACTUALLY motorboat Karyn, it was more of an air-motorboat. And he did warn her about how he can be around women post-fight rather than just humping her without warning. We should really be applauding how far Rampage has come along as he has matured.
by Rob Young on May 30, 2011 3:02 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 3 recs
There are ways to talk about women involved in the sport (even the ones that do sexy photo shoots) that doesn’t involve the debasement of their status as human beings
This is all my thoughts on the topic in one sentence. Well put Mr. Brookhouse.
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As I live and learn,
is:
Dig and Be Dug
In Return.
-Langston Hughes (no relation to Matt)
They are involved in the entertainment industry
that debases anyone’s status as human beings.
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George Orwell
I guess
I just don’t get the seemingly biological need (on forums) to actually explain, in detail, what you would do to said woman. Are you hoping you have something in common with the other six guys who are looking at these pictures with their pants around their ankles? There’s everything wrong with sexual repression, but I kind of miss the days when prom was a sexual rite of passage, and the prom queen didn’t already have a facebook page full of nudes to accompany her own one nine hundred number.
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by David Castillo on May 30, 2011 2:48 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Rampage is ALPHA.
That’s what alpha males do. You’re just mad because you’re not alpha. You like it when he is so ferocious in the cage and knocking people out, and that’s as much of a byproduct of his alphaness as the way he deals with women. You gotta take the bad with the good. Rampage ain’t no perfect human being, homie. But he’s ALPHA.
by Rob Young on May 30, 2011 2:48 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Someone didn't see the Rampage/Helwani interview.
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by lowellthehammer on May 30, 2011 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
That's some beta ass shit to say
You must not even be the alpha of yo’ litter
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by Derek Suboticki on May 30, 2011 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
My litter?
Sorry, but I don’t want to go there.
by Rob Young on May 30, 2011 4:40 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
yeah we treat women like pieces of meat
lets call all of the other sports, and have them get rid of their cheerleaders and what not. i hate going to a basketball game and have to watch the dancers in between time outs. they should all be wearing sweaters…..
i mean the Cowboys dont need those hot ass women dancing around their field. its degrading to women…..
get a life guys. you make it sound like its only mma who like women. its everywhere, and in everything, not just sports.
dude is trying to score some serious brownie points with the ladied
Ah, gravity - thou art a heartless bitch.
by Newfie3 on May 30, 2011 2:48 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I didn’t say “get rid or ring girls” which would be the equivalent of “get rid of chearleaders”
I said, when you see a ring girl, you don’t need to express how badly you want to fuck them in the comment section of an internet post.
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by Brent Brookhouse on May 30, 2011 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
no, because i have a girlfiend and that would upset her
but its the internet. an online blog. take what is said with a grain of salt and chill out a little bit.
Ah, gravity - thou art a heartless bitch.
I don’t know. My thing has always been that I am the person I am no matter where or how I am interacting. I was raised to believe that it is part of being a man. So to me, if you’re willing to “say things” just because you’re on the internet then that doesn’t speak all that highly of you as a person.
to be clear, I’m not saying that about YOU specifically but rather the universal “you” who has learned to be a dick on the internet because “It’s just the internet”
Internet media IS the media for MMA
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by Brent Brookhouse on May 30, 2011 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
True
but with all due respect to BE and other MMA sites (which certainly beat others when it comes to breaking news) I’ve yet to see an MMA centric website beat out Fighters Only when it comes to comprehensive coverage of everything MMA.
Magazines like FO are the reason why I think that if the print media puts out quality stuff, it will not become obsolete.
I’ve yet to see an MMA centric website beat out Fighters Only when it comes to comprehensive coverage of everything MMA.
I find BE to be much more of an op-ed place than a breaking news site, it is a rare day I visit any other MMA sites unless following a link.
It is the quality of the articles and the level and type of commentary that draw me here. I can exchange insults with just about anyone, but I take no pleasure in it ost days, or in seeing it go on between others in the comments.
Pretty ideal balance here between allowing adult conversation and keeping it civil done by the mods here imo…
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by The American Ronin on May 31, 2011 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Internet media is fast becoming THE media for everything
And it’s not a problem restricted to MMA internet posting. Any news site or pretty much any site where one can post freely will have its share of obscene, mysoginistic, overly descriptive posts
Yes, cheerleaders, dance teams and ring girls
Let em all go!
I’d be much happier attending sporting events.
Also, this is where we are headed. It may take 30-50 years but we’ll get there. Just hope I live to see it.
More women athletes, more women coaches and trainers, more women owners of sports franchises = less women shaking their asses in short shorts at sporting events.
It would be interesting to hear a comment from Bryant about the situation in this video.
I think it would be easier to just ban the minority of people that post these type of things rather than trying to convince them to change their ways. You’d have a better chance of teaching my dog to do the macarena.
Good topic to drum up the comments on a boring monday after a lackluster card though.
It's just a world, it's just a life.
MMA's fanbase is largely made up of meatheads or guys that wish they were meatheads.
These kind of actions by the community should come as no surprise, and nobody’s going to change the way they act on the internet because of the protections afforded by anonymity. Well-written piece but pointless all the same.
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by lowellthehammer on May 30, 2011 2:55 PM EDT reply actions
actually
i totally agree.
i agree with Brookhouse’s points as well, but as he also suggests, it’s disingenuous to make these points and cater to the same mentality for the sake of traffic. While I recognize that simply featuring a swimsuit spread of a female fighter’s cheesecake shots is not an excuse for lewd commentary, it is largely tolerated.
The next move after this article is for BE to put its money where its mouth is an dole out bannings for things that it considers unacceptable. I just don’t see that happening.
ideas? got a head full/one-man penny dreadful
Just because we don’t publicly announce bannings doesn’t mean they don’t happen.
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But it's soooooooooo much funnier when you do.
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maybe you should
if this is about change, let’s make it happen.
ideas? got a head full/one-man penny dreadful
It serves a purpose as an example and a warning when you do.
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by The American Ronin on May 31, 2011 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
fap
"I have smoked weed with alot of UFC champions" - Joe Rogan
"Você ta fudido. Se vai levar muita porrada, ta ligado?" - Anderson Silva
haha
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by SentientAndroid on May 31, 2011 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
At the end of the day dont you guys carry the banhammer? Just start daeling out punishments to people who warrant it.
"It is unlikely that anyone has ever read Nietzsche or Derrida and has been inspired to open a soup kitchen"
The guy “dry humps” reporters and he still has a job? Ring girls and Maxim shoots and all that other kind of embarrassing stuff aside, this thing with Rampage is bullshit. Some day he’ll do it to a reporter who doesn’t find it convenient to pass it off as “funny.”
by bevedog on May 30, 2011 3:01 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
yes
but what we’re actually waiting for is a reporter who doesn’t find it convenient to pass it off as “funny” and an establishment that takes her seriously enough to take appropriate action.
ideas? got a head full/one-man penny dreadful
Absolutely
Not trying to blame the reporters—it’d be much better if the UFC just stepped in and said “whatever she says, that kind of behavior is not OK,” and backed it up with something.
Listen, all this hugging and shit, it's nothing. K-1. Stand up fights. Real Knockouts.
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by Matthew Roth on May 30, 2011 3:05 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
hiyo
People do not like to think. If one thinks, one must reach conclusions. Conclusions are not always pleasant.
- Helen Keller
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by The Blackula on May 31, 2011 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree sexual harassment is totally unacceptable, but
what’s wrong about discussing women physical attributes? Specially regarding ring girls, whose profession is exactly to be hot and in small outfits to entertain the public.
Again, there’s a difference between talking about how attractive they are, and discussing if you would go anal or not.
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by Brent Brookhouse on May 30, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
No doubt about it. But nothing wrong about posting pictures of the hottest ones and even making the CagePotato tournament. The purpose of ring girls are exactly this.
BTW I am not even into girls, so I am totally unbiased in this matter.
by mmablitzkrieg on May 30, 2011 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Let's remember The Girls Guide to MMA has the Panty Dropper of the week and all. They go more in-depth that the standard "she's hot," or "I wanna bang her!"
Those gals really get into their commentary. More power to them, but shouldn’t we at least put forth the thought that each gender objectifies differently? Because what they do is quite thorough.
by Unabomberman on May 30, 2011 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions
It's still objectification. Females just do it differently.
I mean, they talk about pet names, relationship material, etc. That’s not something to be so easily discounted. it’s the female equivalent of “I Wanna Bang Her!” Hell, they even rate the guys by numbers.
or you think that’s just fine? If we’re joking then, cool, but I think we should keep context in the picture. What if some dude actually writes to them and accuses them of being sexist? Would he not have a genuine point?
by Unabomberman on May 30, 2011 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Totally agree with you. I mean, we should refrain from posting things like “I would totally abuse Ariany’s anus so that she wouldn’t be able to sit down for a whole month”, but saying you’d love to do her or something like that should come as no surprise and should not offend anyone.
by mmablitzkrieg on May 30, 2011 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't take me wrong. I LOVE Girl's Guide to MMA, but sometimes it creeps me out. That's all.
Sometimes the female psyche is a strange place. I’m sure there are girls around here who can attest to the same about us neanderthals.
by Unabomberman on May 30, 2011 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I usually only read the Panty dropper of the week, but I usually laugh at it.
by mmablitzkrieg on May 30, 2011 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions
We women are indeed a strange people
But I’m quite sure you recognize the tongue-in-cheek aspect of the Pantydropper posts.
To me the difference is this. For almost all of modern history and cultures, a woman’s worth has been measured by her beauty and her ability to produce children. A man’s worth has been more about his ability to provide for his family and protect them. (I apologize to any anthropologists out there for my overly simple analysis). So, take for example a post where men talk about how much they want to screw Miesha Tate vs. a Pantydropper of the Week post with Rich Franklin. Miesha has had to work especially hard to be seen as a professional in a predominantly male sport. So, showing a gif of her ass repeatedly jiggling becomes demeaning because it’s almost as if to say, “We don’t care how hard you train. We just wanna focus on your nice ass.” To me, it’s not the same as us making a joke about doing Franklin on a teacher’s desk, because talking about how hot he is doesn’t put his worth as an MMA fighter in question. Franklin is recognized for his accomplishments in MMA, and he just happens to be good looking.
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by Donna on May 30, 2011 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
How is that a good example?
There are plenty of pics of Miesha’s ass out there that she took to prominently feature it. I don’t see her getting angry that people admire her good looks.
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by Charles Awad on May 30, 2011 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Like I posted above, I actually enjoy the commentary on your site, but the “panty dropper” bit is in poor taste and not funny.
I think you do yourselves a disservice and get taken less seriously because of it. Just my opinion, but I’m a fan of your writing and I also think the people calling this hypocritical are right.
It reminds me of the roller derby craze amongst urban hipster gals – “it’s not exploitation if we exploit ourselves!” Yes, yes it still is.
You have good points to make about MMA, but you end up being known for rating fighter’s “do-ability”. I can’t even recommend your site to my girlfriend or many women friends who are big MMA fans because they’d read the panty dropper bit and ask me “what is this @$#%!?!”
I'm not against the panty dropper of the week. In fact, I support it.
That I get creeped out or not is my business. If the girls are having fun then so be it, but what they are doing is objectification. No different than what we do all the time.
Not all objectification is bad, but it becomes so when someone gets hurt because of it. That’s why I insist so much about context. Again, the Panty Dropper is not a bad thing.
I’m not hating, but am all for calling stuff by what it is. No harm in that, right?
by Unabomberman on May 31, 2011 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions
It is 100% objectification of men.
And I hope we’ve never given the impression that we don’t think it is. Strangely enough, the guys have always given us a “please, objectify me” vibe that we find funny and interesting. I think it’s easier for men to deal with though because they’re never judged based on the size of their boobs or the perfection of their butt. It’s a novelty for them.
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I understand that you don’t like Pantydropper of the Week, but the feedback we’ve gotten from it has been overwhelmingly positive. It drives people to our site. However, people have said that our site lacks credibility because of PDOTW and I think people who believe that can’t see the forest for the trees. I would hope that the other posts we do show that we have credibility as true MMA fans.
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Yeah I like PDotW(?)
I find it rather humorous, it doesn’t bother me at all, but it also doesn’t bother me when I see a post from some guy saying that he’d love to have Palmer sit on his face and fart bubbles, but I mean that’s just me. I’m 26 and sadly maybe movies like American Pie, Miss March, How High, Harold and Kumar and countless other debauchery(?) films along with Dave Chapelle and other blue comedians have me desensitized to extreme comments/behavior.
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by SentientAndroid on May 31, 2011 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
And let’s be clear, I’ve read most of the “panty dropper of the week” posts and I don’t think I ever read something to the equivalent effect of “I’d pee in her butt.” like there were in the Hutcherson thread. These are not comparable circumstances.
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There are bounds of reason.
Equating “I’d pee in her butt” with the standard dumb male comments is kinda unfair. Both are objectification, but one is kinda awful while the other is, well, natural.
Saying you’d pee on someone’s butt is not really natural…unless you are into that sort of thing, in which case: Ew.
by Unabomberman on May 31, 2011 1:54 AM EDT up reply actions
If you can't laugh at "pee in her butt"
then you probably have a wildly different sense of humor than I do. I cracked up the first time I heard that in conversation.
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by ElliotMatheny on May 31, 2011 2:09 AM EDT up reply actions
“pee in her butt” should not be taken literal,its a immature “dat ass”.What ever happened to "ill buy that for a dollar’ kids these days.
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by KimboLeopoldo on May 31, 2011 2:17 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm not a native english speaker so maybe I'm losing a bit of the cultural context here, but when someone says "pee in her butt," I assume they mean "pee in her butt."
by Unabomberman on May 31, 2011 2:27 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
It's completely tongue in cheek.
There’s nothing serious about that phrase.
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by ElliotMatheny on May 31, 2011 3:21 AM EDT up reply actions
more like pee in cheek,heyo
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by KimboLeopoldo on May 31, 2011 3:36 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Exactly
I find it humorous as well.
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by SentientAndroid on May 31, 2011 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s a degrading, dehumanizing act. That’s the way I see it. If you had a daughter maybe you’d understand. It’s one thing to say a woman is hot, it’s another thing to say I would excrete my urine in her rectum. even if you think it, keep it to yourself.
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Only if you take the phrase literally.
If you aren’t serious all the time, then it isn’t so bad.
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by ElliotMatheny on Jun 3, 2011 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I want to go on record as saying that anal is gross.
And I won’t root for a fighter who advocates it.
by Scabby Knuckle on May 30, 2011 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
For this you get a rec and a bump.
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by KimboLeopoldo on May 30, 2011 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Is he gonna give birth to a Heineken keg can?
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by Anthony Pace on May 30, 2011 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I have absolutely no problem with hot ring girls, etc. In my opinion, if a woman chooses to use her looks to get ahead in her chosen career path, that’s her choice and she will have to live with its implications. And, more power to her. I do think it’s creepy and sometimes disrespectful when there is too much talk about what a guy would like to do to her, and even though she’s using her looks and sex appeal, I think it sometimes goes too far. But, I know a lot of guys who talk (amongst themselves) like that so I kinda just try to ignore it and don’t get that worked up about it.
However, Rampage’s behavior was completely out of line. This would not be acceptable in any other normal job situation, with good reason. She is a professional and was trying to do her job, and was put in a position where, in order to continue to do her job, she had to play along and marginalize herself. It was ridiculous. It’s one thing to make comments about hot girls but it’s completely different to harass someone as they are trying to do their job, and then to just get away with it.
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by KatGirl on May 30, 2011 3:10 PM EDT reply actions 13 recs
If you have no problem with hot ring girls...
…but are upset by this video posted by Karyn then I think you simply don’t get how sexism works.
You can’t applaud strippers, ring girls and cheerleaders and then be shocked by this kind of behavior. They are part of a system and one reinforces the other.
When women have power and opportunities they don’t become ring girls and strippers and someone like Rampage wouldn’t dare do what he does, nor would the female reporters laugh it off.
But without much power and with limited ways to make money – sure this is exactly what happens.
I wouldn’t say that ring girls and strippers are glaringly positive representations of what women are capable of accomplishing, but I’m not going to blame someone for looking at them or commenting about how hot they are since they are there for just that purpose. They are there to be objectified as females, and they get paid for it. They’ve made a decision to do what they do and that all goes along with it. Women have so many other choices of what they can do that I just can’t buy into them being forced into these jobs. I don’t applaud their choices of professions but they do have to take some responsibility for choosing them.
With that said, I am well aware that I am pretty tough on women about these kinds of things. I have worked in a male-dominated field for my entire career and I got ahead by making sure I was just better than everyone else. I tend to think women who take jobs where they are just there to be looked at are taking the easy way out.
Honey badger don't care.
I do think it’s creepy and sometimes disrespectful when there is too much talk about what a guy would like to do to her, and even though she’s using her looks and sex appeal, I think it sometimes goes too far.
Some dudes just don’t know when to stop. The internet allows for that. If a person’s name, address and photo were posted every time they made a comment, you wouldn’t see this sort of stuff (or at least not as much). But yeah. Definitely creepy.
I agree with everything you said, but it should be pointed out that not only did Karyn put this up on Youtube, but she titled it “Rampage on … motorboating.”
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Um, that's a little silly.
She better not have a word of complaint if that’s what she’s going to title the damn video.
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by Derek Suboticki on May 30, 2011 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I would agree with that. She can’t really complain if she’s promoting it that way. I might’ve made a different decision about it.
Honey badger don't care.
I think for her, and some other women, it’s easier to be “in on the joke” than to have to admit she’s upset about what happened.
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Is she upset about it?
I mean, has she said anything yet?
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by RolloTomasi on May 30, 2011 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed, she's trying to fit in by going along with it
Check out the new ESPN book for a lot more stories about what happens behind the scenes in a heavily male sports work environmen.
Speak up and get let go or keep quiet and suffer. Hard choices.
Not to mention
how easily she could’ve cut out that ending sequence if she had a problem with it. If this were REALLY an issue, the title of this article would be “Karyn Bryant sues Quinton Jackson for lewd sexual harassment.”
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by ElliotMatheny on May 30, 2011 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions
How the women portray themselves results in the appropriateness of said comments.
There is a world of difference between someone like Arianny and Karyn. When Arianny posed naked for Playboy, she wasn’t revealing her SAT scores. Arianny’s job is to walk around the ring wearing a bikini. Her constant attention whoring on twitter – all her behavior, sets herself up as a piece of meat. That’s what she is. She’s a big girl and she knows what she’s doing. So comments towards her about wanting to hump her or whatever, is all fair game as far as I’m concerned.
HOWEVER, Karyn, on the other hand, is trying to build her site and gain some legitimacy as an MMA reporter. Unfortunately, Rampage put her in a tough spot where she had no choice but to laugh it off. Her laughing it off does not give carte blanche to idiots on forums to say she somehow was okay with it, or she should be happy she got attention, or whatever. Same for the girl who got humped by Page.
In the end, I too have said silly things about various women, and no one is perfect. But there is a line, and that line is drawn by each woman and how they want to portray themselves. If you want to take you clothes off, all the more power to you. Just don’t be surprised when I say you have a flat ass.
by pud333 on May 30, 2011 3:17 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Nothing a person does sets them up as a piece of meat.
Do you honestly believe that Karyn isn’t using her looks to get ahead as well? It might not be as blatant but there is a very good reason the majority of female sport reporters are young and attractive.
I don’t care if the girl is a porn star those types of comments are at the least out of place in an MMA blog.
Didn’t know that but it really doesn’t matter. Her actual age is irrelevant my actual point. It is how old she looks which is much younger.
Nice attempt at a deflection but not very effective.
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Mostly naked chicks holding round cards is pointless to me. I watch MMA for the fighting.
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by Wrestling Uber Alles on May 30, 2011 3:24 PM EDT reply actions
I know I'm in the minority here
But I would prefer it if ring girls just didn’t exist.
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by Neil Manich on May 30, 2011 3:28 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
I don't mind ring girls. What I do mind is ppl treating them like they're somehow newsworty
ie. Hutcherson’s f’ing main page article for getting a maxim spread
Sexual harassment? Bad. Gay jokes? Good.
Harassment and jokes are two completely different things. One is not okay and one is okay.
You Americans are like a bunch of whiny little children crying to mommy because someone hurt your feelings.
This is kinda Brent's house.
If somebody walks in to my house and says something offensive, I tell them I don’t like it and to change their behavior. If they don’t, I politely ask them to leave. If they act belligerent, I hit them with a framing hammer until they leave.
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Yep,
It’s totally because we are Americans. You nailed it.
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by Brent Brookhouse on May 30, 2011 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Blah blah
you’re calling her an artful liar at this point, pretending to know her mind. If she was bothered she could have lightly and playfully tapped Rampage’s head with the mic and told him to behave. There are many nice ways to say ‘no’ but save face. Stop with the wanna be psycho babble.
Her response does nothing to change the fact that this was innappropriate.
Besides it is more common sense than psychobabble to say that a MMA reporter isn’t going to want to upset one of the biggest names in the sport.
The average male thinks about sex 5,000 times a year. We don’t need to hear that inner dialogue every time a picture of a pretty woman is posted. Some things can remain private and no one cares what you might do to that girl you have a lottery’s chance of ever doing in the first place.
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by memitim on May 30, 2011 3:35 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Agreed
To me it is a simple distinction “Great ass”, “flat ass” etc type comments, while crass, are probably to be expected in such a forum.
Comments of the “I would stick _ into her ____ until ____” variety have absolutely no place outside of adults only websites.
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by The American Ronin on May 31, 2011 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I commend you for even saying this.
The reason this is happening is because large parts of the MMA audience don’t really think of women as people, at least people that deserve the kind of respect they themselves get. And they don’t want to change the way they think because they can get away with it. e.g. There wasn’t much pressure on white males in the past to respect gays or black people, and so they didn’t, and so they didn’t.
It’s tough to get someone in a privileged position to generate any kind of empathy, but we have to at least try, so I commend you for writing this article.
This whole thing would have never happened if Rob Stevens kept Bryant on a leash.
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by pdl on May 30, 2011 3:45 PM EDT reply actions 5 recs
HEYO
It took the whole thread but somebody finally won.
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Semi Justified?
I think it is kind of unfair to critisize guys for saying these kinds of things when you have women who clearly are only chosen for jobs due to their looks or sex appeal. That one girl interviewer for instance who interviewed Cariaso and absolute butchered Urijah Faber’s name, couldn’t remember who Frank Mir was fighting, and asked the most boring and generic questions possible yet she manages to get interviews with MMA stars and alot of people watch these interviews. Another example is Arianny posing for Playboy, she used her body/sex appeal as a way to make money and gain publicity. While I may not personally partake in the sexual comments made I think that if a women uses her sex appeal or body as an advantage in life then you have to be ready to deal with those kind of comments. Lastly I think to single out MMA is unfair for the simple reason that there are more porn sites on the internet than there are any other sites. Sex(and explicit dipictions and descriptions) are all over the internet. As a parting comment I would like to say that I would feel the same way if women or homosexuals made comments about men if they were using sex appeal as a tool to beenfit themselves.
One word for you sir:
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by The American Ronin on May 31, 2011 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Rampage walked the line surprisingly well here
Came close to overstepping with his corniness, but she walked away charmed and laughing her ass off.
He can pull this kind of shit off, it’s like part of his schtick.
Have you got any friends Brookhouse? When ever there are a bunch of red blooded males out on the town having a drink, there are going to be lots of discussions about sex and hot women. I don’t understand all of this fuss. If I see a girl walking past wearing yoga pants with a great ass, all I can think about is face planting dat ass.
It’s ok for me to think about that, but I can’t say it out loud? Why not?!
If you're having fight problems I feel bad for you son, I got 99 problems but a Fitch ain't one.
Would you say it out loud in front of a bunch of females? Because this isn’t just your buddies getting together to talk about whatever. There’s more to this community than men.
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Maybe not a bunch of females.....
But stuff like that is discussed infront of females all the time. For example if a mix of males/females are sat around talking together and the males are reading a newspaper with nude pics in or w/e, it would be talked about out loud, the girls join in!
If you're having fight problems I feel bad for you son, I got 99 problems but a Fitch ain't one.
…and there’s usually a certain degree of restraint from everyone involved, as not to offend anyone that might not have the same moral standards as yourself.
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Not really much restraint. It seems to be completely different in the UK, people talk openly about sex without worrying about offending people. There are even sex tv shows shown during prime time tv slots. It’s no big deal.
If you're having fight problems I feel bad for you son, I got 99 problems but a Fitch ain't one.
as an American living in the UK i see your point. watching a show like Celebrity Juice, which has women and men actively using sexual innuendo in all contexts shows how unaffected most people are about sex and the humor that goes along w/ it,
i can look past all of the immature posts about what so and so wants to do to (insert hotties name here) mostly because i was a dumb horny kid once also. the fact that Karyn named the you tube video "Rampage on … motorboating" makes me sweat this even less.
while i’m all for improving the dialog (on all fronts) and i agree in principle w/ what Brent is saying/asking, i also understand that sex/sexuality is pretty funny and sometimes simple immature idiocy is just that. simple.
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by F'n Clownshoes on May 30, 2011 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Hee hee, the UK is the last county I look to for how to create a good culture
Sexism is still rampant there, along with a bunch of other social ills.
Because you are not out on the town with your buddies having a few drinks. You’re on a discussion board with a bunch of strangers. There’s a difference.
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by memitim on May 30, 2011 4:08 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Cat call?
Have any of you guys seen the UK comedy series “The inbetweeners?”.
That’s the standard banter amongst pretty much all young people living in the UK.
If you're having fight problems I feel bad for you son, I got 99 problems but a Fitch ain't one.
That is true, but that doesn't mean it's good or right.
There really are some great advantages to strong, powerful women. It isn’t all bad. ;)
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by Mckeever on May 30, 2011 4:01 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
This is so much bigger than MMA
And I’m sure you know this but the tone of the article reads like you’re admonishing MMA fans for being the only uncivilized people on the internet. If you don’t want people to post lewd comments on this site, just say that.
I do agree with you that Rampage should stop molesting reporters though.
I'm not much interested in Karyn, but let me show you what I would do with this ottoman
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by Wrestling Uber Alles on May 30, 2011 4:07 PM EDT reply actions
There's an Internet issue and an mma issue.
And they are separate. Internally, be needs to establish some ground rules or anonymity will lead to creepiness, taken to 4chan worthy extremes. It’s the Internet, not any relation to MMA, just the result of what had been the accepted standard for comments here.
As for MMA, it’s about the athletes and their relations with the media – someone needs to hold Rampage accountable for crossing a line and it should be Dana, as someone with power and an interest in the media position of the sport.
Hilarious. It’s like a science experiment.
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by memitim on May 30, 2011 5:36 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
This situation is take out of context
Everyone knows that Rampage is an entertainer and doesn’t have to go the lengths of Chael Sonnen in regards to Pro-Wrestling style antics. Next thing you know someone is going to complain about King Mo bringing girls in during his entrance.
You DID see the part where one of the reporters he did this with talked about wanting to kick him in the nuts to get him away and felt horribly uncomfortable. And by speaking out about it she was called a bitch by a big chunk of the MMA fanbase right?
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by Brent Brookhouse on May 30, 2011 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey Brent.
Think you can get an interview with Bryant about the whole incident, see what she thinks?
by Unabomberman on May 30, 2011 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I can picture that conversation
BB: Hey I was hoping to talk to you about the incident after 130.
KB: What incident?
BB:: …….
KB: ….?
/Interview
by hewsdaddy on May 30, 2011 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
I just think that someone should actually go and ask her. I mean, is it our place to get offended for her? Is she not a grown woman capable of making her decisions?
Or, she could’ve just played along and felt really, really bad about the hwole thing—I’ve seen that happen, too.
I just don’t think the discusion was presented properly. Not hating on brent as he did make solid points, I just think we need more info.
by Unabomberman on May 30, 2011 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions
but here's the thing
she doesn’t need to be offended herself, it’s something that’s inappropriate to do. It’s not as bad as some of his previous victims though, but I still thought it was inappropriate.
not always will those who dumps on you be your enemies
and not always will those who take you out of shit be your friends
But that's a cultural thing, then.
If she doesn’t give a shit, then who should? The answer should be: Those that would.
But shouldn’t we get to that when the time comes? Are you sure it is okay for us to jump to conclusions in the case no harm was done? (In this particular case, his other humping was bad stuff definitely ‘cause the Cage Potato girl clearly said she didn’t like it)
by Unabomberman on May 30, 2011 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions
that wasn't the only time he humped a reporter
there was an incident in Japan as well, and the Japanese girl laughed it off and got away. I don’t think she complained either, but in my view that doesn’t make it okay either. If I slap 100 women on their asses and only get slapped 70 times, the fact that 30 didn’t slap me doesn’t make it an appropriate behavior, and any type of criticism I get from that behavior is much expected.
not always will those who dumps on you be your enemies
and not always will those who take you out of shit be your friends
well you did say ‘if she doesn’t care then who should?’ it doesn’t really matter if she cares or not, it’s not an appropriate behavior, that’s all I’m saying…
not always will those who dumps on you be your enemies
and not always will those who take you out of shit be your friends
That's kind of facetious.
I asked a question. I wasn’t being rhetorical. Should I not have asked it, then?
The people who care should care, and I believe the majority does. And that’s where the whole “being inapropriate” stems from, and that ain’t wrong, all I’m saying is that there well may be exceptions to the rule in which case we should only care when actual harm was done like in the case of Heather Nichols.
by Unabomberman on May 30, 2011 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions
my first reply to you was that it was an inappropriate behavior, I’ve been saying the same thing over three comments now, I did answer your question, it doesn’t matter if she herself finds it offensive or not, actual harm was done, it’s a behavior that demeans women in general, everytime it is used harm is done, doesn’t matter if the one girl doesn’t take offense to it, it’s an attack on women in general.
not always will those who dumps on you be your enemies
and not always will those who take you out of shit be your friends
I didn't understand you until this actual post, then.
That’s certainly a valid way of looking at things. I’m not 100% in that bandwagon as it is too complex to overtly generalize in that way, but yeah, it could be said that that is a complicated spot to put chicks, generally speaking.
I’d like for someone to sit Rampage down and explain this stuff to him and how it is being seen, and see how he reacts or what he has to say. I don’t think he means ill, but that doesn’t change things, I guess.
by Unabomberman on May 30, 2011 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm sure someone actually explained it to him
he certainly showed more restraint this time around than he has previously.
not always will those who dumps on you be your enemies
and not always will those who take you out of shit be your friends
I think both sides in these kind of arguments are generally 80% unrealistic to support their point of view
and I see that reflected in these comments. Suffice to say that the actual original material before it became a pissing contest, that being, your actual article, Brent, is a great piece that I agree with. So good job on that front.
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that was a rather wordy comment, I still am on like two hours of sleep in the past four days
but yeah, I think it made sense. Maybe
And then God created Saturn ... and he liked it, so he put a ring on it. ... Always a ninja
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Stop going inside my brain and making sentences on the internet I want to make.
Seeing this turn into a Twitter mini-shitstorm is kinda sad.
If Derek Jeter clubbed a baby seal on earth day while wearing a mink coat and crocodile skin boots while burning tires on an iceberg, the reaction would be "Its OK Derek, you’re a Yankee." -First mammal to wear pants
I both agree and disagree. It's all within context.
Was it exploitative? it was a crude sexual joke, yes, but how did Bryant feel? If she feels bad then, fuck it, she should’ve said something and shit ain’t funny no more (and still isn’t even if she only expresses her frustation later); but if she felt “on the joke” and not offended, then what’s next? Is she wrong? Should she be anchored down to a prescribed response? Should we get outraged for her in that case? If she didn’t, is he bad for women’s liberation?
Sexual harrassment is not cool, but someone should start acting like a fucking grownup and start asking those involved.
People keep saying “if she didn’t complain…who cares?” But reporters HAVE complained about Rampage pulling that shit in the past only to have MMA community come down on them for being “bitches” who “asked for it”
So Bryant may not have had an issue with it, or maybe she did and knows that if she says something it will turn into an issue about HER rather than the situation. But even if she didn’t have a problem with it…what we have is a fighter repeating behavior that reporters HAVE SAID was offensive to them in the past.
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by Brent Brookhouse on May 30, 2011 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions
do you have a link about those incidents?
also isn’t Rampage still married?! I was already wondering about that when he talked about clubing with girls etc.
He thanked his wife (Yuki) in the postfight, IIRC
seconds before offering to by drinks for attractive big breasted women.
I don’t think Rampage has ever made any pretenses of being faithful.
here’s one, and here’s the other
not always will those who dumps on you be your enemies
and not always will those who take you out of shit be your friends
I’m with you on this Brent, but I think it muddies the issue to bring the use of models to sell the sport, to sell products or what have you. They’re job is to be ogled, right or wrong, but Karyn is a reporter, and Rampage is way over the line there. And yeah, he did this before which is another reason why I can’t root for the guy. He’s like a 13 year old fool with muscles.
What's this war in the heart of nature? Why does nature vie with itself? The land contend with the sea? Is there an avenging power in nature? Not one power, but two?
by Kwisatz Haderach on May 30, 2011 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Not only did she not complain
She titled the video in a way to both exploit the incident and make light of it.
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by Derek Suboticki on May 30, 2011 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions
YES. You are right, Brent.
Rampage shows a tendency to do this kind of thing with female reporters. BUT we should focuse on those cases to make the argument, instead of this one where we just can’t be sure, don’t you think?
by Unabomberman on May 30, 2011 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t really compare what Rampage did to the fact that the sport is, like beer, cars, and everything else, sold with hot eye candy. Karyn is there to do her job, and her being a good sport about it, doesn’t mean Rampage isn’t an idiot. But this is still a small time sport, so no fine, no suspension or any of that business will be forthcoming, I’m sure. I also wasn’t thrilled with Page being such a sensitive little bitch with Ariel all week, mad-dogging him and generally acting like an ass. Good thing about MMA is that I can root for Jon Jones to beat the hell out of Rampage while I cheer him on. As to the rest, men are dirtbags a good portion of the time, and that’s just how it is.
What's this war in the heart of nature? Why does nature vie with itself? The land contend with the sea? Is there an avenging power in nature? Not one power, but two?
by Kwisatz Haderach on May 30, 2011 4:49 PM EDT reply actions
I think Zuffa won’t have much problem with Rampage’s behavior with the reporter, because few outside the MMA-addicted crowd probably saw it.
But what about right as Rogan was finishing interviewing him in the ring and he started about the “after party on me, especially if you got the double-D’s” and started doing the melon-squeezing gesture? Plenty of people still tuned into the PPV got treated to that.
Rampage walked the line surprisingly well here
Came close to overstepping with his corniness, but she walked away charmed and laughing her ass off.
He can pull this kind of shit off, it’s like part of his schtick.
by Cunny on May 30, 2011 4:57 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Not gonna lie, I was F' pissed when Kelli Hutcherson's shoot made front page
that was the most annoyed I’ve been at BE ever I think
Greetings from Mania!!!! I come in good peace and w/ good intentions, I have rec's to trade and admiration for you moderation and writing prowess.
The Mania vs B.E. feud is never ending, sometimes gaining steam and sometimes dormant. You think your smart, we think we’re men, it’s a vicious cycle. I propose we harness the energy into something both substantial and productive.
I am here to challenge you and am only interested in competing against your best.
We have a pool of 50+ filling out picks for a small wager on mmaplayground.com, I see you have a similar betting game going on. My proposition is that you gather your 10 largest brains and I will do the same. We have a multi-event pick off (details to be negotiated), no money involved, purely for bragging rights and site superiority. No longer will we be able to bicker over which site is what as we will have a common neutral battle ground to prove our worth. This would decrease the tension as well as reinforce our pride for our homeland.
You have 24 hours to assemble your 10 man/women crew (no site staff aloud) and you also need to elect a team captain.
Only the team captain can cross over and comment on the other site so that this doesn’t get messy.I will captain the mania team and instruct my men to unite in a truce until we receive your response. Have your captain meet me tomorrow on the mania “money pool” thread or forever regret missing the chance to prove your superiority. If all goes well this could be a continuous battle and could end up doing good for both sites.
Again i come in peace and look forward to your response.
I like the feeling of hunting down what I feed my family. If there’s a beast out there capable of hunting down Brock Lesnar, he would do it and make me the trophy on his den wall. But the laws of nature dictate that I’m going to be the one who goes into the wild and comes home with the evening’s bounty. - The #1 ranked HW in the world...
by DrewMoney$$$ on May 30, 2011 5:19 PM EDT reply actions 4 recs
Xtreme Couture- The best never rest! The girl in my av is Kari Sweets (you're welcome).
"I swear it upon Zeus an outstanding runner cannot be the equal of an average wrestler."
-Socrates
by ElliotMatheny on May 30, 2011 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions
if you are the captain i will trust you to pick your 9 best to accompany you. you have 24 hours.
I like the feeling of hunting down what I feed my family. If there’s a beast out there capable of hunting down Brock Lesnar, he would do it and make me the trophy on his den wall. But the laws of nature dictate that I’m going to be the one who goes into the wild and comes home with the evening’s bounty. - The #1 ranked HW in the world...
by DrewMoney$$$ on May 30, 2011 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Again
Put this up where people can see it in the Fanposts. I’m on a ridiculous string of picks this year and looking to show off.
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
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by Derek Suboticki on May 30, 2011 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions
You're gonna want to talk to MostDiabolicalHater.
He is the betting game chieftain.
Xtreme Couture- The best never rest! The girl in my av is Kari Sweets (you're welcome).
"I swear it upon Zeus an outstanding runner cannot be the equal of an average wrestler."
-Socrates
by ElliotMatheny on May 30, 2011 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions
make a fanpost to unite your team, do whatever you feel is needed to put your teams best foot forward. I will unite my team. We will start with the tuf finale.
We go 5 events.
I am heading to the pool and will return later to answer all other questions.
I like the feeling of hunting down what I feed my family. If there’s a beast out there capable of hunting down Brock Lesnar, he would do it and make me the trophy on his den wall. But the laws of nature dictate that I’m going to be the one who goes into the wild and comes home with the evening’s bounty. - The #1 ranked HW in the world...
by DrewMoney$$$ on May 30, 2011 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions
UFC only, or Secondary Leagues?
I’ve done way better in the Secondary leagues over the last few seasons.
Have you ever noticed that anybody driving slower than you is an idiot, and anyone going faster than you is a maniac?
George Carlin
playground is ufc only
I like the feeling of hunting down what I feed my family. If there’s a beast out there capable of hunting down Brock Lesnar, he would do it and make me the trophy on his den wall. But the laws of nature dictate that I’m going to be the one who goes into the wild and comes home with the evening’s bounty. - The #1 ranked HW in the world...
by DrewMoney$$$ on May 30, 2011 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Why?
you chicken?
Don’t tell me Mania is only full of McMMA fans.
Learn JiuJitsu, it's fun.
We can put a man on the moon, build the Great Wall, scale Everest, but we can't fire Cecil Peoples.
whats that about Rollo?
And here you are saying you didnt say any bad shit about mania over here
Making sammich’s, fetching beers, and making him look good in pools and bets……being Cali’s bitch really is as great as it sounds…now I know why Jay loves it so much.
Future Money Pool winner, Cali Bones.
Pro sig bet record: 1-3-0
Actually, playground has a secondary league for all other events.
Still a Beer Monster.
http://www.instrength.com
we are keeping it simple and going ufc only. if this works we can look into expanding the second time around.
I like the feeling of hunting down what I feed my family. If there’s a beast out there capable of hunting down Brock Lesnar, he would do it and make me the trophy on his den wall. But the laws of nature dictate that I’m going to be the one who goes into the wild and comes home with the evening’s bounty. - The #1 ranked HW in the world...
by DrewMoney$$$ on May 30, 2011 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions
What do I need to do?
"Every time I talk on the phone with someone who doesn’t know me, they call me "ma’am"." .....cut to a couple months later....... "You can alter that sig now. I spoke with someone I know on the phone and she repeatedly addressed me as a female. Fuck." - Scott C. Broussard
by Earl Montclair on May 30, 2011 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions
MMAMania is calling out the BE betting squad.
Xtreme Couture- The best never rest! The girl in my av is Kari Sweets (you're welcome).
"I swear it upon Zeus an outstanding runner cannot be the equal of an average wrestler."
-Socrates
by ElliotMatheny on May 30, 2011 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions
HA!
That is fine. Given the content of the comment sections over there, this should be no sweat. I don’t mind trowing a few stones into the shallow end of the gene pool.
"Every time I talk on the phone with someone who doesn’t know me, they call me "ma’am"." .....cut to a couple months later....... "You can alter that sig now. I spoke with someone I know on the phone and she repeatedly addressed me as a female. Fuck." - Scott C. Broussard
by Earl Montclair on May 30, 2011 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Here's the post:
I am here to challenge you and am only interested in competing against your best.
We have a pool of 50+ filling out picks for a small wager on mmaplayground.com, I see you have a similar betting game going on. My proposition is that you gather your 10 largest brains and I will do the same. We have a multi-event pick off (details to be negotiated), no money involved, purely for bragging rights and site superiority. No longer will we be able to bicker over which site is what as we will have a common neutral battle ground to prove our worth. This would decrease the tension as well as reinforce our pride for our homeland.
You have 24 hours to assemble your 10 man/women crew (no site staff aloud) and you also need to elect a team captain.
Only the team captain can cross over and comment on the other site so that this doesn’t get messy.
I will captain the mania team and instruct my men to unite in a truce until we receive your response. Have your captain meet me tomorrow on the mania "money pool" thread or forever regret missing the chance to prove your superiority. If all goes well this could be a continuous battle and could end up doing good for both sites.
Xtreme Couture- The best never rest! The girl in my av is Kari Sweets (you're welcome).
"I swear it upon Zeus an outstanding runner cannot be the equal of an average wrestler."
-Socrates
by ElliotMatheny on May 30, 2011 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I want to see this happen SO MUCH
that I had to hand deliver it to the man himself. Plus it looks less abrasive without all the random bold letters.
Xtreme Couture- The best never rest! The girl in my av is Kari Sweets (you're welcome).
"I swear it upon Zeus an outstanding runner cannot be the equal of an average wrestler."
-Socrates
by ElliotMatheny on May 30, 2011 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Make it a Fanpost.
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
Editor, HeadKickLegend.com
Still Subo at Fightlinker.com
by Derek Suboticki on May 30, 2011 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions
i do not feel comfortable making a fanpost on enemy territory. I suggest your captain make the post to unite his troops. He can copy tand past my challenge and then add his battle cry below.
I like the feeling of hunting down what I feed my family. If there’s a beast out there capable of hunting down Brock Lesnar, he would do it and make me the trophy on his den wall. But the laws of nature dictate that I’m going to be the one who goes into the wild and comes home with the evening’s bounty. - The #1 ranked HW in the world...
by DrewMoney$$$ on May 30, 2011 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Why isn't a staff writer like Geno making this post?
"Someone is WRONG on the internet. What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!"
-Randall Munroe
you banned geno and i'm our captain, and no staff is aloud.
I like the feeling of hunting down what I feed my family. If there’s a beast out there capable of hunting down Brock Lesnar, he would do it and make me the trophy on his den wall. But the laws of nature dictate that I’m going to be the one who goes into the wild and comes home with the evening’s bounty. - The #1 ranked HW in the world...
by DrewMoney$$$ on May 30, 2011 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Geno got banned?
By the way, what was Mrosko’s username before going with his real name?
Xtreme Couture- The best never rest! The girl in my av is Kari Sweets (you're welcome).
"I swear it upon Zeus an outstanding runner cannot be the equal of an average wrestler."
-Socrates
by ElliotMatheny on May 31, 2011 12:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Hey man. Go for it if you want to make it a fanpost. I’ll put the stamp down on kids that get out of line here.
Managing Editor - BloodyElbow.com - SBNation's mixed martial arts headquarters.
by Brent Brookhouse on May 30, 2011 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
sounds good, i will put up a fanpost tomorrow on both sites at the same time.
I like the feeling of hunting down what I feed my family. If there’s a beast out there capable of hunting down Brock Lesnar, he would do it and make me the trophy on his den wall. But the laws of nature dictate that I’m going to be the one who goes into the wild and comes home with the evening’s bounty. - The #1 ranked HW in the world...
by DrewMoney$$$ on May 30, 2011 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Because someone had to
you think your smart,
by Balrog on May 30, 2011 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ha!
Learn JiuJitsu, it's fun.
We can put a man on the moon, build the Great Wall, scale Everest, but we can't fire Cecil Peoples.
He starts with this:
Greetings from Mania!!!! I come in good peace and w/ good intentions, I have rec’s to trade and admiration for you moderation and writing prowess.
Then back hands with this:
You think your smart, we think we’re men, it’s a vicious cycle.
While he is repping folks who have this to say:
BE has an article on the main page about this sort of thread
i say fuck them!!
by Newfie3 on May 30, 2011 11:33 AM PDT reply actions
And that’s the general sentiment. Before today I wasn’t aware there was a “vicious cycle” or rivalry. All I knew was one of MMAmania’s managers ranks Alistair Overeem the #1 HW in the world. That was enough. This nonsense seals it. Pass.
Initiative comes to thems that wait.
Yeah that would be me
I don’t believe in bias-free writing, no matter how skilled the author. Therefore, I prefer to get mine out in the open right away and let people make up their own minds from there.
Not a perfect system, but it helps me make peace with my daily nonsense.
It is not enough to succeed. Others must fail.
by Jesse Holland on May 30, 2011 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I understand but it immediately skews my perception as a reader. I’m left scratching my head thinking is this for real or is this for some kind of reaction. Which then I break it down and there is no possible way anyone who watches this sport can think Reem is the #1 HW in the world today, especially as long as you’ve had him there, so I’m left with the conclusion that I’m being worked. Then that makes me throw out the whole thing. I understand a little bit of anarchy for a purpose but not just anarchy for anarchy’s sake.
Initiative comes to thems that wait.
"You think your smart..."
This line is so totally wonderful because of the typo.
by bigstupidsmile on May 31, 2011 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Brent...nobody runs away from their computer to masterbate. The computer is the temple for this activity.
I apologize in advance if this was already posted above…too much seriousness to read.
Have you ever noticed that anybody driving slower than you is an idiot, and anyone going faster than you is a maniac?
George Carlin
Hypothetical question
If you were another female reporter trying to do your job, and you saw this going on, how would you feel about it?
I can tell you how I feel about it as a male reporter. I think it’s ridiculous.
If you’re in public, you need more than two consenting adults. If I ran naked through my hometown, maybe one or two people would “consent.” Others would call the police. (Others would vomit before they could find their phones to call the police.)
by Beau Dure on May 30, 2011 5:23 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
“If you were another female reporter trying to do your job, and you saw this going on, how would you feel about it?”
This is such a poignant issue, and I’m worried that it’ll get lost in the shuffle here.
Twitter: @Mike_Fagan_13
Now, let me start this off with the fact that I am by no means calling myself a female reporter...
But Beth and I talked about this, and we both said that if we were interviewing Jackson on tape for Gals Guide, and he did that, the interview would be over.
Gals Guide to MMA
Okay...now I read the whole thing and have a few thoughts
Rampage is a very immature person, and was even described by his own camp as a big child.
He’s basically a man operating on about 90% unchecked Id.
One of the reasons that mma threads also feed on this stuff is that many of us men who check our Id’s because of the social contract of civility, but on the internet, we are more anonymous than in our daily lives.
Rampage acts on impulses many males feel, but for one reason or another, would never act upon.
Have you ever noticed that anybody driving slower than you is an idiot, and anyone going faster than you is a maniac?
George Carlin
by Snatchl on May 30, 2011 5:29 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I agree that women shouldn’t be objectified in MMA (or elsewhere) and that Rampage can be an ass, but I don’t think he was at fault for anything in the Heather Nichols-incident. If anything, she was beeing absurdly unprofessional hitting on him during the interview by saying: “I have an idea for a romantic movie, starring you and me, it’s about a wrestler who falls in love with a ring girl, are you in?”
Rampage simply responded to this, like an animal of course, but still.
More on proper time and place
I happen to cover women’s sports a good bit — some Olympic sports and a lot of soccer. That means I’ve talked with a lot of women whose looks have drawn a lot of attention. (Think ESPN Page 2, maybe SI’s swimsuit issue, certainly a lot of blogs).
Yes, I’m heterosexual — very happily married with two kids.
But even before I was married, I absolutely would NOT let myself think of the women I was covering in terms of how attractive they are. You just can’t do that. It’s an interview. Not a bar pickup.
If I’m alone with friends, I’ll talk about celebrities I find attractive. Not co-workers. Not athletes I cover or might interview.
I don’t know how this isn’t common sense.
by Beau Dure on May 30, 2011 5:36 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I love this piece
For the record, yesterday I said Rampage acts like a complete ass and is not funny. I was told to “chill out”. Then I talked about Archer and Frisky Dingo.
BOOSH
Chill out.
Learn JiuJitsu, it's fun.
We can put a man on the moon, build the Great Wall, scale Everest, but we can't fire Cecil Peoples.
I still can’t bring myself to watch this. But I’ve been uncomfortable watching Rampage in interviews since he knocked out Chuck; truth is, the guy is beyond arrogant and is not very intelligent, plus he’s just a rude person – to women and men, and his fans, and really anyone who’s trying to help him build up his career by asking him a few questions. I’ve been waiting for him to have a melt down and say/do something he can’t have Dana bail him out of, and maybe this is it. People have been apologizing for this jerk for way too long.
" Rock crushes scissors! But paper covers rock. And scissors cuts paper! Kif, we have a conundrum. "
------ Zapp Brannigan
by Hellsing on May 30, 2011 6:43 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I don't really know how to state my stance on this, so I'll do a little free association to see what happens
I saw the video, and I laughed. Rampage also might be my favorite fighter, so there obviously could be bias here. But I view what he did as harmless. If he’d grabbed her breast, obviously that would be heinous, but here I just see him playing the character that he’s cultivated. Most reporters probably understand what you’re going to get from Rampage, so I doubt Karen Bryant was shocked or appalled by whatever happened. Indeed, she responded rather playfully, in my opinion. I doubt if Rampage had done something to which a female reporter responded with repulsion, he would’ve have aggressively continued on; I don’t know for sure, but Rampage seems to just be a harmless, horny teenage kid in a grown man’s body.
On women: I was walking through campus two days ago when two drunk girls approached my group of friends. They asked if any of us had a cigarette, and I was the only one who did. I was already reaching for my pack when one says, “If you want to barter, my friend will show you her boobs for a cigarette!” I obviously wanted to see her boobs, but I just said, “No worries.” Then the friend pulls down her top and says, “Well, we had to give you something!”
It was awesome.
So, while men — being generally physically stronger and historically oppressive of the opposite sex — must respect women with an eye to physical realities and gentlemanly decorum, I don’t think it’s necessary to treat them as some delicate flower on the verge of extinction. Both men and women are sexual beings. When a guy says, “I’d love to pee in her butt,” it’s obviously gross and juvenile, but I think ultimately harmless. As you want to maintain a certain atmosphere on Bloody Elbow, I understand your issue here, Brent. Just for me, however, I’m not gonna get too riled unless someone starts suggesting violent/illegal things…
I was carried to Ohio in a swarm of bees, I'll never marry but Ohio don't remember me.
by Anthony Pace on May 30, 2011 6:48 PM EDT reply actions 4 recs
I can do all things through HGH, synthetic steroids, and testosterone injections which strengthen me" - Balco 4:13
by Wrestling Uber Alles on May 30, 2011 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Thanks for responding.
I was carried to Ohio in a swarm of bees, I'll never marry but Ohio don't remember me.
by Anthony Pace on May 30, 2011 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks for your life story.
"Are you going to believe me or your lying eyes" Groucho Marx
by KimboLeopoldo on May 30, 2011 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
How about you don't read the goddamn post then?
I was carried to Ohio in a swarm of bees, I'll never marry but Ohio don't remember me.
by Anthony Pace on May 30, 2011 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
3 paragraphs
Ever read a book? thousands and thousands of paragraphs, it takes days!
Learn JiuJitsu, it's fun.
We can put a man on the moon, build the Great Wall, scale Everest, but we can't fire Cecil Peoples.
by RolloTomasi on May 30, 2011 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Couldn't agree more bud.
Funny that Princeton girls trade flashes for cigarettes! Makes me wish I got a 4.0 in HS and took up smoking.
Xtreme Couture- The best never rest! The girl in my av is Kari Sweets (you're welcome).
"I swear it upon Zeus an outstanding runner cannot be the equal of an average wrestler."
-Socrates
by ElliotMatheny on May 31, 2011 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions
These girls come from money more than intelligence
If you know any rich fraternity girls, brother, they’re all the same…
I was carried to Ohio in a swarm of bees, I'll never marry but Ohio don't remember me.
by Anthony Pace on May 31, 2011 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Well just checked her twitter..
Plus, he didn’t ACTUALLY motorboat me! Never even touched me… I do have a pretty good right hand in case. Knees aren’t bad either. LOL
so that is pretty much the end of that, I guess there is still a case to be made for the tone of the commentary on this site, but she seems pretty over the whole Rampage ish.
It's just a world, it's just a life.
Even if she’s okay with it, acting first and assuming it would be cool is kinda crazy on Rampage’s part and just begging for trouble if he continues. Reminds me of a Louis C.K. bit
Louis C.K. seems to have the definitive perspective on many things.
@scb0212
The Machiavellian.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on May 30, 2011 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions
No it's not
These people aren’t in a private place. They’re in a workplace. If two of your co-workers did this, they’d be fired. If I ran through the office naked, it wouldn’t matter if another co-worker “consented.” No one else wants to see that.
Yeah,
pretending to motorboat someone is unacceptable, and degrading not only to women- but to the entire United States of America! And by extension, THE ENTIRE HUMAN RACE. We shall have no pantomiming any gratuitous, lewd sexual acts, for they debase the female gender and diametrically oppose the staunch Abrahamic values our western civilization is founded on!
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by ElliotMatheny on May 31, 2011 2:06 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm pretty sure
that I don’t work at a place where guys get ko’d, limbs are broken, half naked women carry octagon shaped boards with numbers on them, and even my own boss publicly calls women bitches, just sayin…
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by SentientAndroid on May 31, 2011 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions
just because she's okay with it doesn't make it okay.
not always will those who dumps on you be your enemies
and not always will those who take you out of shit be your friends
I didn’t say it was acceptable behavior, I just commented that she doesn’t seem to regard it as an issue from a personal perspective, however from a social or work place perspective, it is obviously unacceptable.
It's just a world, it's just a life.
Yes it does
If she isn’t bitching and moaning about it, then noone else should
Dear audio diary: Today I may have accidentally registered myself as a sex offender! WHAT IS WRONG WITH MY LIFE
- T-Rex
Does anyone remember this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDSLbGdtnBA
I was carried to Ohio in a swarm of bees, I'll never marry but Ohio don't remember me.
OH PLEASE...NOT SOLELY AN MMA PROBLEM, ITS A HUMAN PROBLEM.
It’s an ugly side of this sport’s media and fanbase…we are often all too willing to reduce women in MMA to soulless sex objects.
The NBA, NFL, College Football etc all have scantly clad women frolicking & gyrating around at every intermission. Please remove those horse blinkers from your eyes.
MMA is no different than any other sport that uses half naked women to garnish its appearance to the public.
It’s an ugly side of this sport’s media and fanbase
Not to defend Jackson’s behaviour, but you sound like someone who only thinks MMA is plagued with this problem.
For the record, I’m against the sexual objectification of women.
by higgledy-piggledy on May 30, 2011 7:14 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
just for the record a motorboat is face in breast, he was’nt even close to that, he is light hearted
, handle it or don’t, it is what it is.
by Chayne Hudson on May 30, 2011 7:30 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Making an issue out of nothing
Just like all of the homophobia stuff this site was railing about
Dear audio diary: Today I may have accidentally registered myself as a sex offender! WHAT IS WRONG WITH MY LIFE
- T-Rex
by sitnam90 on May 30, 2011 10:54 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Rampage is obsessed with all titties,
men or women’s. When he was a coach on TUF, he couldn’t get enough of Titties’ titties.
Just Breed!
by ScoreCardOTN on May 30, 2011 10:54 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Schoonover felt highly objectified and degraded.
Xtreme Couture- The best never rest! The girl in my av is Kari Sweets (you're welcome).
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-Socrates
by ElliotMatheny on May 31, 2011 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Lets get over ourselves
Sexual provocativeness like this isn’t the reason the UFC isn’t as large as the NFL. Some people are just a bit squeemish with violence and even if the UFC turned into some Glee gay-fest it still wouldn’t make it mainstream with those people.
If you’re a guy and you were offended by his act then get over yourself, you’re probably just jealous and afraid to admit it. If you’re a chick and were offended then lose some weight and put on some makeup and you won’t have to be jealous of other women being hit on all the time and not you.
One of the more inbred comments I have read on this particular thread. That’s saying something.
Initiative comes to thems that wait.
by memitim on May 30, 2011 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You don't have to agree
But if you can separate what you feel is “right” for society or whatever from the reality is, there’s no problem with this.
Rampage is a smart guy, he looked for social cues with this check to see if he could go farther or not- she wasn’t offended so who gives a shit? Not the NFL or baseball fan who doesn’t watch MMA, they don’t search the web for obscure videos to prove that MMA is sexist so that they can go back to watching baseball.
But amatueor “journalist” wanting to make a name for himself or the fledgling reporter on ESPN will try to capitalize on something like this for personal gain. Yes personal gain, they aren’t doing it for their inner sense of altruism.
by kibbled_bits on May 31, 2011 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, but that’s not what you said and not the point of this article. Karyn is a credible journalist, she is not amateur in the MMA world. Sure, Karyn might get some attention from this and she might be working that angle but it doesn’t make Rampage’s actions any bit more acceptable in a professional environment. When he has a camera and a mic infront of him for an interview he is in a professional environment.
And saying something like:
If you’re a chick and were offended then lose some weight and put on some makeup and you won’t have to be jealous of other women being hit on all the time and not you.
Even if it is a weak ass attempt at a joke is still a juvenile statement.
Initiative comes to thems that wait.
If she was offended..
Or wanted to downplay this scene, I would have expected for her to edit this part of the video and talk to Rampage about it afterwards person to person. But she must have posted it which means she’s getting publicity and making money off of it.
Now I’m not going to compare female journalists to prostitutes but there is a double edged sword here. Male journalists wear suits and female journalists wear blouses & on average are at least above average looking. Is this a coincidence?
This is a job that works out for many women because sex sells and it doesn’t have to be sex acts but sexy journalists reporting the news which they have every right to do but they have to deal consequences.
The irony is that I don’t think women are usually bothered by this sort of stuff until someone points it out to them and facilitates the guilt. Just let it go already everyone.
by kibbled_bits on May 31, 2011 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Your bobbing and weaving behind the statement you made. Sure, Karyn might enjoy this and get a boost from it. But, this statement is just beyond myopic:
This is a job that works out for many women because sex sells and it doesn’t have to be sex acts but sexy journalists reporting the news which they have every right to do but they have to deal consequences.
Ask Lara Logan about the consequences of being an attractive journalist and if she should just “deal with the consequences”.
You give up the world line by line you become an accomplice to your own annihilation.
Initiative comes to thems that wait.
Rampage Jackson does not equal viscous mob
Having to deal with a lighthearted and humorous Jackson is different from being groped by a group of egyptians
Dear audio diary: Today I may have accidentally registered myself as a sex offender! WHAT IS WRONG WITH MY LIFE
- T-Rex
by sitnam90 on May 31, 2011 2:02 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Not the point. He is saying that being an attractive journalist means you have to deal with the consequences, which is bullshit. No one should have to put up with inappropriate or violent behavior because they are attractive. Should Logan just deal with the consequences because she is attractive? Of course not. It’s a stupid, misogynistic premise.
Initiative comes to thems that wait.
Okay
You dont seem to get that equating Bryant to Logan mean your equating jackson to gang rape (gang grope?) . He was obviously pointing out that being an attractive journalist means you have to deal with NORMAL consequences of being attractive, such as being hit on. That does not translate into poor Logan having to deal with being attacked. Going to extremes does NOT make your point correct
Dear audio diary: Today I may have accidentally registered myself as a sex offender! WHAT IS WRONG WITH MY LIFE
- T-Rex
Hmmm,
I read the article and I read the comments. Then I watched the video. I should have watched it first and not even bothered with the rest.
by Slappy san on May 30, 2011 11:58 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
My take on it all: it’s a harmless side of media and fanbase. Girls do photoshoots, so what? I have no problem finding women foxy and still respect their position as athletes or reporters. With that said, I think Quinton has an attitude towards women/female reporters that is really awkward and uncomfortable to watch, but he gets away with it because he has a socially very powerful personality, and does it in a confident way. I think this lack of good taste is more about him specifically, not so much in general.
I’ll stop looking at these kind of pictures when the women stop posing for them (God forbid!)
Now, I think making a whole post about the Maxim spread of the girl I had never heard of or remember seeing, probably wasn’t necessary. Leave that for a place like…Maxim.
However, if we are talking purely about a fighters ability, we don’t need to post sexy pics of them (Gina, Meisha). As well, when we talk about Cyborg or someone, we don’t need the played out butterface and looks like a guy comment. In other words, it isn’t just the “hot” girls that fall victim here.
On the third hand, if an attractive female like Meisha does twitter a bikini pic of herself, I have no problem seeing it in the appropriate post (over and over again). As well, I have tons of respect for anyone who keeps themselves in tremendous physical shape.
Now this in no way justifies behavior like Rampage’s, and I would have zero problem if Dana fined him or something for personal conduct. As for the media, sexing it up, sensationalizing everything and showing the most graphic images possible, is the world we live in. If something crosses a line with me, I no longer view it or visit their site. i don’t go tell everyone else what they should look at or what their line should be.
Bottom line is this, if you don’t like the content, avoid it. If you are offended by images of beautiful or ugly women, don’t look at them. There are endless sites on the web and always room to start your own. If you aren’t willing to do this, then…
Just about in any other sport Rampage would’ve gotten a metric ton of shit for that – and not just from the media but from the company. The only reason he’s getting away with it is because even the Zuffa brass apparently still think MMA does not have to follow the society’s rules to be accepted in the society.
BTW – don’t give me any of that ‘I want MMA to stay in the fringe’ BS. The more accepted MMA is – the more money there is in the sport – the more MMA will there be. But as long as UFC is okay with their public face dropping f-bombs and acting like an a**hole in public and with Rampage pulling garbage like this, we can all forget MMA getting accepted to the level football, basketball and ice hockey etc are.
Then again, I don’t expect anything to change any time soon.
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by Monday Morning Martial Artist on May 31, 2011 6:42 AM EDT reply actions
Awesome article Brent
I couldn’t agree more about this. I really wish MMA fans as a whole would be more mature, mature enough to realize that what Jackson is doing to female writers is in bad taste and completely over the line. Of course, the bigger problem here is that the UFC doesn’t seem to care what Jackson is doing. If Jackson was in any other professional sports league, you think he could get away with doing this crap? No way in hell.
This was not as uncomfortable to watch compared to the dry humping interview
But i agree with you on all points.
by Papercut Elbow on May 31, 2011 11:24 AM EDT reply actions
It sucks because shes a good interviewer and asks some great questions and isnt even taken seriously
A lot of female MMA fighters seem to have the same deal going on. People either objectify them or fear them but no one seems to respect them. Even Cyborg falls under the fear category no one gives her props they just all have comments about her femininity. The reason there isn’t WMMA is because people wont give them any respect no matter how good they are. They could put together a strong division there are a ton of women fighters fighting in promotions. Also the tweet tweet posts with the countless pics of Arianny doing nothing but chillin at clubs and posing is cheesy. We’re playing into a vacuous shallow part of the sport and giving it too much attention.
by Papercut Elbow on May 31, 2011 11:31 AM EDT reply actions
The UG is weighing in...
One of their comments
the better one was when he was dry humping that white whore reporter from cage potato lol.
Some people just don’t get it.
Gals Guide to MMA
fuck
someone really said that shit? Now that’s fucked up.
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by SentientAndroid on May 31, 2011 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions
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