USAT/SBN May 2011 MMA Consensus Rankings: Light Heavyweight
by Richard Wade on May 26, 2011 11:49 AM EDT
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| Rank | Fighter | % | Promotion | Last Rank |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Jon Jones | 99 | UFC | 1 |
| 2 | Mauricio Rua | 95 | UFC | 2 |
| 3 | Rashad Evans | 92 | UFC | 3 |
| 4 | Quinton Jackson | 88 | UFC | 4 |
| 5 | Lyoto Machida | 86 | UFC | 5 |
| 6 | Forrest Griffin | 77 | UFC | 6 |
| 7 | Ryan Bader | 69 | UFC | 7 |
| 8 | Dan Henderson | 68 | Strikeforce | 7 |
| 9 | Phil Davis | 63 | UFC | 9 |
| 10 | Thiago Silva | 49 | UFC | 10 |
| 11 | Gegard Mousasi | 45 | Strikeforce | 12 |
| 12 | Antonio Rogerio Nogueira | 43 | UFC | 11 |
| 13 | Rich Franklin | 38 | UFC | 13 |
| 14 | Rafael Cavalcante | 35 | Strikeforce | 14 |
| 15 | Muhammed Lawal | 32 | Strikeforce | 15 |
| 16 | Matt Hamill | 28 | UFC | 17 |
| 17 | Alexander Gustafsson | 23 | UFC | 19 |
| 18 | Renato Sobral | 21 | Strikeforce | 17 |
| 19 | Randy Couture | 19 | UFC | 16 |
| 20 | Vladimir Matyushenko | 19 | UFC | 29 |
| 21 | Cyrille Diabate | 17 | UFC | 20 |
| 22 | Roger Gracie | 15 | Strikeforce | 20 |
| 23 | Luiz Cane | 15 | UFC | 25 |
| 24 | Keith Jardine | 14 | Strikeforce | 22 |
| 25 | Stephan Bonnar | 14 | UFC | 24 |
With #1 Jon Jones "ducking" former teammate #3 Rashad Evans, Evans will instead step into the Octagon against undefeated #9 Phil Davis at UFC 133.
In a rematch of their UFC 76 bout, #2 Mauricio "Shogun" Rua will face #6 Forrest Griffin.
#4 Quinton "Rampage" Jackson will attempt to cut to the front of the line for a title shot when he takes on #16 Matt Hamill at UFC 130.
#7 Ryan Bader is set to squash unranked Tito Ortiz at UFC 132 in one of the more pointless fights that will take place this year.
And in one of the more fascinating fights that will take place this year, #8 Dan Henderson will take on heavyweight Fedor Emelianenko at Strikeforce: Fedor vs. Henderson.
Based on the premise that all MMA rankings are subjective but that it’s still useful and informative to know who the online MMA community as a whole ranks as the best fighters in MMA, we collect and average the rankings of the top MMA websites to produce our consensus rankings. We compile the top MMA rankings from each of our sources and award 25 points for a first place ranking, 16 for a 10th place ranking, 1 for a 25th place ranking. A formula is used to "normalize" the data so all fighters are awarded points from those lists that do not include a full 25 fighters. This formula ensures that each ranking site awards the same number of total points regardless of how many fighters they choose to rank. Each fighter’s total is divided by the number of possible points to determine their standing in the Consensus Rankings.
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Seriously Mat?
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by MattParker117 on May 25, 2011 8:13 PM EDT reply actions 5 recs
"What?"
He’s pointing out the fact that you’re trolling via your rankings. Ranking Jones below the guy he just annihilated is not ridiculous — it’s IRL trolling. Congrats.
Good luck with the Rapture tomorrow!
by Wrestling Uber Alles on May 25, 2011 8:34 PM EDT reply actions 6 recs
Trolling?
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by Matthew Roth on May 25, 2011 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes
Jones wrecked Rua
Rua wrecked Machida
Machida wrecked Evans
Jones has not faced Evans or Machida
Rua has not faced Evans or Machida
Given that, it would be sensible to rank: Jones, Rua, Machida, Evans
Your Ranking: Evans, Machida, [Jackson],Rua, Jones
We call that “trolling” on the internet.
Good luck with the Rapture tomorrow!
by Wrestling Uber Alles on May 25, 2011 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I disagree.
Seeing as how Jones fought incredibly dirty in his fight with Rua, I’m choosing to ignore the result. Evans has the best overall record against top 10 opposition in the past 3 years making him #1. Then Machida. Then Jackson. Then Rua who suffers from lack of activity. And then Jones who has two top 10 wins in his career and is quickly becoming known as a dirty fighter.
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by Matthew Roth on May 25, 2011 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL!
That’s fucking awesome! Thank God consensus rankings don’t mean shit about who gets title shots and such. Holy crap.
Good luck with the Rapture tomorrow!
by Wrestling Uber Alles on May 25, 2011 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions
expand on the fighting dirty accusation
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by Urijah Bieber on May 25, 2011 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions
He fights dirty.
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by Richard Wade on May 25, 2011 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions
He beat Rua
Good luck with the Rapture tomorrow!
by Wrestling Uber Alles on May 25, 2011 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions
He fights dirty.
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by Matthew Roth on May 25, 2011 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Re: Inactivity
Inactivity counts for Rua but not Evans.
Good luck with the Rapture tomorrow!
by Wrestling Uber Alles on May 25, 2011 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Rua was inactive cause of injury. Evans was inactive because of Rua.
I can’t hold that against Rashad.
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by Matthew Roth on May 25, 2011 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Evans also was inactive because of injury or he would have faced Rua instead of Jones
But it’s cool. As long as there are no rules for rankings, have fun with it!
Good luck with the Rapture tomorrow!
by Wrestling Uber Alles on May 25, 2011 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions
You rank Jones #5 for fighting dirty, yet you have Thiago "Whizzinator" Silva at his highest ranking of #6?
pretty sure your just making all this up as you go along
Mark Hunt's Special Move: Oceanic Heritage! Years ago someone told Polynesian DNA that everyone was surrounded by sea monsters and it believed them. It made humans that were immune to head injuries, fast enough to run on the highway, and big enough to use the carpool lane. Putting two of them in the same ring is like telling your local tectonic plates to fuck themselves.
by Kevin Jennison J. Zametov-St Pierre on May 25, 2011 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
He cheated after the fact. He's not a dirty fighter in the cage.
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by Matthew Roth on May 25, 2011 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Doesn’t doing roids give you an unfair advantage in the cage? Something a dirty fighter would do.
Keep Firing, Assholes!
Time to put some meat in your pain sandwich.
by Ubernoober on May 26, 2011 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
it was probably pain killers not roids.
He has career threatening back injuries.
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by the-gentle-way on May 26, 2011 11:55 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
He actually cheated before the fact. Hence the need to cheat again after the fact.
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by Tim Burke on May 26, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Slapping your opponent in a disrespectful way
PEDs, fake weewees, yea Thiago is a dirty fighter too.
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by Urijah Bieber on May 26, 2011 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Evans was inactive because of injury, too.
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by SSreporters on May 26, 2011 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Speaking of dirty fighters, you gave Cup Cheick Kongo the 2nd highest ranking of anyone who voted in HW.
If you can't wow them with brilliance, then baffle them with bullshit.
Im still confused how he ranked Roy Nelson below Brandon Schaub to be honest.
by Spider_Vemon on May 26, 2011 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
They've been active since they fought each other.
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by Richard Wade on May 26, 2011 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Roy losing a decision to a guy
who would tear Schaub apart and dance on the pieces doesn’t downgrade him in my book. Schaub feasting on old timers and not paying any price for being KO’d by Big Country doesn’t sit great with me either.
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by Dave Strummer on May 26, 2011 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Could not agree more...
"Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid." -John Wayne
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by The American Ronin on May 26, 2011 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
At least you are honest about your dishonesty I suppose...
Unlike some of the others with votes that count who also don’t grasp the who rankings concept…
Such as…
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by The American Ronin on May 26, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
What did I miss
Only viewed the fight once, but what was dirty about it?
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A handy dandy reference guide I created awhile back:
Elbows to the throat at 1:30 on the clock in Round 2, :031 on the clock in round 2, 0:28 on the clock in round 2, 0:13 on the clock in round 2, all clearly intentional. Just rechecked the second half of that round in slo-mo. There were a couple unintentional looking ones in round 1, the round 2 ones were clearly aimed at the trachea, just barely lifting off the neck and then dropping back down.
Thumb jammed straight in Shogun’s eye with 2:43 shown on the clock of round 1. Hand wide open and spread and just digs it into his eye. Also puts an open hand to his eyes standing around 1:34 of round 1. Also a headbutt around :025 left in round 1.
All times are what the UFC graphic clock shows as left in the round. Not gonna make anybody do subtraction since arithmetic sucks.
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cool, even more reasons to root against him
I hate when I feel something at the same time as a mass of others as it means I have to jump on a band wagon. But I am really starting to consider jumping on the anti-Jones wagon here.
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by Urijah Bieber on May 25, 2011 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions
i will save you a seat.
I have named it "the snitches get stitches wagon: a coalition against Jon “pinocchio” Jones" . I should have business cards made up by next week.
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by the-gentle-way on May 26, 2011 12:00 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Does that make you rank him below #1?
Bernard Hopkins has a reputation for riding the line on rules too, but it doesn’t make what he did to Pascal any less impressive. The Detroit Pistons won every one of their championships with tactics most people would call dirty, but they were still impressive teams. The Denver Broncos used a blocking scheme that is now illegal because of the damage it does to defensive players to win their two Super Bowls.
I personally like athletes who are a little rough, but even if you don’t, it doesn’t mean you downgrade their accomplishments.
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by Dave Strummer on May 26, 2011 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions
This make it sound so much worse than it actually was.
I be tossin' and flossin', my style is awesome
Causin' more family feuds than Richard Dawson.
Zuffa now owns every top light heavyweight out there. I wish that there was some sort of uniform system for the contributors to use to these rankings as so many people like to use these rankings as evidence for their arguments.
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Not ranking Jones #1 is ridiculous.
Sourest of sour grapes.
by jpayne on May 26, 2011 12:09 PM EDT reply actions 5 recs
sadly i kinda agree
pinocchio is a wrecking machine.
"Many have the will to win. Few have to will to prepare to win."
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"Wanderlei eventually got to his feet and stalked Fujita like a Japanese octopus in an all-female prison." - Sean Baby Cracked.com
by the-gentle-way on May 26, 2011 12:13 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
i bet money on Rua
and Jones is #1
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by Cory Braiterman on May 26, 2011 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Im just wondering if the rankings of an obviously biased individual should be factored into the consensus rankings here on bloody elbow. I use to respect these rankings but now I question their integrity
sooo..... you want your subjectiveness to reflect others subjectiveness
In a totally subjective ranking system?
"Many have the will to win. Few have to will to prepare to win."
" A black belt only covers 2 inches of your ass. The rest is up to you." - Royce Gracie
"Wanderlei eventually got to his feet and stalked Fujita like a Japanese octopus in an all-female prison." - Sean Baby Cracked.com
by the-gentle-way on May 26, 2011 12:15 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I want a slight sign of reason. not just “I reject the out come of a fight completely while excusing an obvious cheat in Thiago Silva”
by Spider_Vemon on May 26, 2011 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Ignoring the result because of Jones' illegal moves is stupid
As if it somehow greatly impacted Rua’s destruction of Jones….
:rolleyes:
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You know cause a spinning back elbow of doom had nothing to do with it.
by Spider_Vemon on May 26, 2011 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
You see that low blow that made Rua drop to his knees?
This followed up an illegal “hop attack” when Rua was on his back and Jones played leapfrog with him.
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by SSreporters on May 26, 2011 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
The entire fight was dirty. Actually it started dirty right away
Jones attacked with a flying knee but it was before Shogun counted up to “Three Mississippi”.
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by SSreporters on May 26, 2011 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
You see this attack? If Jones wasn't so dirty earlier
Rua would’ve already put him to sleep or crippled him with leg kicks because Jones can’t cope with strikers.
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by SSreporters on May 26, 2011 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I know right? I mean had Jones not been such a dirty prick there’s no way rua woulda been lying on the ground saved by the grace of Herb Dean whilst he was tapping, leaving his entire fan base in total denial and disbelief. That damn dirty jones!
by Spider_Vemon on May 26, 2011 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I distance myself from the rankings of Matthew Roth.
Distance!
by Brent Ducharme on May 26, 2011 12:19 PM EDT reply actions 8 recs
after subo's and TRE's
Fuckups with rankings, can we just exclude HKL from the consensus part? Truthfully, as an editor of website its not becoming to let personal bias and emotion control something like that.
Jones is one, rashad is two, three is either griffin or page, and four or five is machida or rua. Those are the top six guys, and Bones is one. there is just no way to substantiate any other argument.
by Austin Martin on May 26, 2011 12:19 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 3 recs
Why am I being dragged into this?
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by Derek Suboticki on May 26, 2011 1:37 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I thought your rankings made the most sense. Everyone else’s ranking that was similar had Bader above Forrest, which for the time being I don’t agree with. I think your starting to reach Snowden fandom. You could say the sky is blue and 150 people would argue just because.
If you can't wow them with brilliance, then baffle them with bullshit.
Having Lil Nog over Davis
doesnt make much sense
D'oh!
That was an oversight – Lil Nog and Davis should be flipped.
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by Derek Suboticki on May 26, 2011 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Makes sense now
Other than that though I thought you hit the nail on the head
You made some weird rankings last time and I never miss an opportunity to sully your name
by Austin Martin on May 26, 2011 2:51 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
matt roth
you made your list to get attention right?
it worked…
I will always back the Englishman - from Hardy to Daley to Hathaway - because we are an island nation and I am an ex-pat living in California. Lee Murray comes from the same village as me. Where I live now Fabricio Werdum is a neighbor, as is Bruce Buffer. I am also a Diaz fan!
by hooligun on May 26, 2011 12:21 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
I have to put it somewhere
But this is disgusting from the UFC and preposterous.
http://www.mmafighting.com/2011/05/25/ufc-to-offer-mirko-cro-cop-one-more-fight/
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I don't usually check out the breakdown
on the rankings but what’s up with the 4.4s? Are those used when guys just rank the top 10 or something along those lines?
by TMadeBurner on May 26, 2011 1:10 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Guys, I ranked Jones where I did because I think it's funny
The fact you guys are all angry about it just makes me laugh even more. Next month he’ll be back at #1, I was just funning you.
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How does USA Today even publish these, at least with a straight face…
And, for once, I almost agree with Subo…
/needs a shower now…
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by The American Ronin on May 26, 2011 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions
They publish the overall rankings...which are fine.
People are mad about my ranking of Jones. That’s it. But with it being consensus it doesn’t cause issue in the overall ranking.
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by Matthew Roth on May 26, 2011 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Uncool
Being part of the most publicized ranking system in the sport, and then using it as a platform to make a joke out of it. That’s majorly uncool. If you don’t want to treat the privilege with a modicum of respect, then you should bow out. Either respect the process, or don’t.
by Rich Hansen on May 26, 2011 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Ha okay...let's get mad at me
And not Iole for ranking Hamill over Phil Davis. Or Leland ranking Feijao over Phil Davis. I’m not trying to pass the buck but when it doesn’t have an overall effect on the rankings at the top (#1 spot) there isn’t an issue. But ranking Hamill over Phil or Feijao over Phil drops Davis’ spot more significantly.
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by Matthew Roth on May 26, 2011 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions
When are you planning to put an end to the joke of having Subo as an editor on HKL?
by Horselover Fat on May 26, 2011 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Whenever you want to step up and start writing.
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by Matthew Roth on May 26, 2011 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Sorry, let me continue that thought.
Now that Tim is over here full time, I’m looking for a new writer. If you’d like to step up, I’m open to talking.
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by Matthew Roth on May 26, 2011 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Times are really that tough, eh? Thanks for the offer, but I was never any good at creative writing (much like Subo). I believe my limited efforts are better focused on bitching and cursing in the comments section.
by Horselover Fat on May 26, 2011 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Nah, times aren't really that tough.
I’m just trying to extend the invite to write. :D
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by Matthew Roth on May 26, 2011 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Okay, yeah. I’m still not sure whether you’re serious or not, but then again you did hire Subo, so.. as I said I’m sorry but that is just not something for me. I’ve never even written a fan post, for gods sake. I’m sure you’ll find someone more suited for the job. Can’t sink much lower than Subo anyway.
(God, now I almost feel bad.. if you’re reading this, sorry Subo! I didn’t mean to go further than just the one stab to start it all but I kept seeing openings, I swear I don’t really hate you that much. There will be no more subo jokes from me for a long time, I promise.)
by Horselover Fat on May 26, 2011 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions
:(
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by Derek Suboticki on May 28, 2011 1:30 AM EDT up reply actions
None? We're all doing this pro-bono.
You’re talking about MMA anyways, why not write something that’ll get read by people around the world.
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by Matthew Roth on May 27, 2011 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Isn't that what I said?
You were IRL Trolling. I called it.
Good luck with the Rapture tomorrow!
by Wrestling Uber Alles on May 26, 2011 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Yep...this was me poking the bear
And it was a massive success. As I said above, in my opinion, what I did doesn’t matter to the overall rankings. Ranking Lorenz Larkin over Gustafsson or Hamill over Phil Davis has an actual impact on where Alex and Phil are ranked. I don’t see the outrage with those.
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by Matthew Roth on May 26, 2011 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Sure
Like the 10 people who vote for Ron Paul in protest of the establishment. Their votes are meaningless but they get to make a statement. I get it man. But I was on to you! :)
Good luck with the Rapture tomorrow!
by Wrestling Uber Alles on May 27, 2011 6:45 AM EDT reply actions
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