Nick Diaz Will Not Enter Boxing, Fight With Georges St. Pierre Coming?
by Brent Brookhouse on May 23, 2011 2:59 PM EDT
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Rumors have been picking up a lot of steam over the past week that Nick Diaz would be skipping the rumored boxing match with Jeff Lacy and would instead face Georges St. Pierre in Montreal in December. Diaz's boxing promoter, Don Chargin, sent out a press release earlier to announce that Nick was pulling out of talks to box in the near future. From the release:
Team Diaz had contemplated transitioning over to the boxing world in a legitimate attempt to pursue a high-level boxing career. These discussions began in 2009 with long-time boxing promoter, Don Chargin and proceeded up until recent times.
Never before in the history of both sports had a pound-for-pound MMA combatant in his prime had the desire or been contractually free to attempt to transition over to boxing.
The landscape of Mixed-Martial Arts moves at a rapid pace and while Diaz's chance to make history, becoming the first true cross-over MMA star to enter the boxing ring, an opportunity arose for Nick to make a different sort of history in his primary field of fighting.
Don Chargin states, "Nick is a good kid and a very exciting fighter. Right now he has an opportunity of a lifetime as it pertains to his MMA career. While I don't doubt that Nick and his team were serious about taking the big step into boxing, it only makes sense for him to finish what he started and see how far he can go in MMA before he does anything in boxing. It's all about timing... we began these discussions over two years ago and nobody would have imagined the type of demand that there currently is for Nick as a mixed martial artist."
The press release goes on to see Cesar Gracie talk more about how it makes sense to stick with MMA for the time being.
To be clear, the Diaz/Lacy bout was more than just a rumor. It was a deal that had been agreed to but Diaz would be able to back out of if needed. I don't think your average, run-of-the-mill MMA bout would make Diaz pass up his opportunity to box.
As I've been saying around these parts for a few days now, what I'm hearing has a Diaz vs. GSP fight being announced as early as Tuesday but I would guess it will happen by Thursday.
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Nice! Thanks for salvaging my mobile post fail!
by mthom on May 23, 2011 3:47 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Pisswater
How can you resist???
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by RolloTomasi on May 24, 2011 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions
i dont see the problem
do u wanna see diaz fight tyrone woodley?
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by milk72 on May 23, 2011 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
That's all I wanna see
Best of 5. Then we’ll know for sure how good Diaz’s wrestling is.
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by TheFilt on May 23, 2011 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I need to see Diaz vs. Sonnen at MW in Alabama before I'm convinced his wrestling is up to snuff
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I actually do,
but GSP/ Diaz is a solid fight too.
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by ElliotMatheny on May 23, 2011 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Dana didn't mean Strikeforce would be conducting business as usual
he meant the UFC and by that, he meant adding Strikeforce to his MMA promotion tombstone
ahhhh nevermind i get it
whats up jon fitch? how u been
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man...
this really has to come up everytime an announcment is made that involves anything that is related to strikeforce?
negative
it one thing to say georg is going to win but to say nick will coward is a baseless statement nick is fearless he’s proven it time and time again he’ll go toe to toe with anybody even when its smarter to work his bjj
by HeadKckGdnight on May 23, 2011 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Really?
Why would Diaz shit himsel? What has he got to be afraid of, other than being hugged on the mat for 5 rounds?
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by Mckeever on May 23, 2011 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
isn't loss of bowel control
a symptom of smoking the weed?
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by bobthewriter on May 23, 2011 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Having his hype train derailed for one.
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by ElliotMatheny on May 23, 2011 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions
What has he got to be afraid of, other than being hugged on the mat for 5 rounds?
Pretty sure you answered your own question there…
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by The American Ronin on May 24, 2011 2:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Wouldn't it be funny if he didn't, though?
Imagine Diaz taking a split desicion. Oh god, the outrage. :D
Go big red!
I think I’d take off of work that week and piss people off on BE.
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by DayGeaux on May 23, 2011 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
i'm already prepared to do that when tito ortiz beats bader by flying gogoplata
its gonna happen i swear
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Wouldn't it be funny if he did?
I mean, literally shit himself on canvas the moment the cage door closes
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Yes, because Diaz has a history of bottling it in fights. What sort of a coward stands and bangs with Paul Daley anyway?
by sheikybaby on May 23, 2011 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions 9 recs
I never said coward
And Paul Daley is your test to see if you’re ready for GSP? Get real. (not to mention Diaz was this close to losing that fight)
Diaz is going to be wrestled and beaten back to Strikeforce, to continue fighting scrubs and acting like he’s beaten everyone but George.
In reality Diaz doesn’t stand a chance against Fitch. Why would he do any better against GSP?
Daley was never even close to winning that fight
when Nick went down the last time he was protecting himself before Daley even threw a punch.Watch the replay as soon as Nick went down his right arm goes up Daley hits his arm 3 or 4 times and Nick moves up to his knees.40 seconds later Daley is down.
"Don't be Scared ,Homie!!!"-Nick Diaz
by diazfan on May 23, 2011 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
the truth
"Don't be Scared ,Homie!!!"-Nick Diaz
by diazfan on May 23, 2011 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I wont win this argument with you
but I will give you some truth.
GSP fights top opponents every fight in the #1 mma league in the world.
Diaz fights second rate fighters and UFC castoffs in the #2 mma league in the world.
Not arguing just pointing out that Daley wasn't even close in that fight
and I agree with GSP fighting the best never said he wasn’t a great fighter,I just think Nick has a better chance than,Jake,Kos,Alves and BJ.Hell he can’t look any worse than Kos or Fitch did…….Right?
"Don't be Scared ,Homie!!!"-Nick Diaz
Dude, you are wrong about the Daley fight
I watched it 5 minutes ago. It was a sloppy brawl by both fighters, and Diaz was hammered and dropped twice.
Also, Diaz doesn’t beat Kos or BJ. Use your head.
ok you win
I’m calling it a night. Have a good evening KMcCaig
"Don't be Scared ,Homie!!!"-Nick Diaz
If
BJ had any cardio he would of won against Fitch.So how do you figure Nick doesn’t stand a chance,better cardio,better boxing,= if not better BJJ at this point.
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nah hes just gonna get taken down
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really?
Gsp inspires fear in Nick?
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by the-gentle-way on May 23, 2011 3:41 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Nick Diaz does not wilt
I can see GSP getting the takedown early and often, but I can’t see GSP finishing Diaz. Also, Diaz is very good at scrambling, so I can see him getting back to his feet if he gets taken down. I feel that GSP will most likely win, but he may not dominate Diaz like he has other opponents. Diaz will keep striking and stay active in any position that he is in, including on his back.
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Actually it'll probably look like this:
IN THE RED CORNER: Nate Diaz is mean mugging David Loiseau and John Danaher, Gil Melendez poses with the SF belt, and Jake Shields is advising Nick not to jump guard YET. David Terrell flips the bird to Goldberg.
IN THE BLUE CORNER: Kru Phil Nurse massages GSP’s back (sans Vaseline) while Firas helps with a breathing exercise and Greg Jackson starts off with “Well, well, well Mr. St Pierre….”
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Why is GSP in the blue corner?
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Nick
is ready for whatever you know just wants to get paid you know.. he’s tired of fighting these scrubs you know??
goddamn i cant wait to see him on sportscenter
the purchase was worth it for alistair and nick alone
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oppurtunity of a lifetime=lose to GSP
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by Discman2 on May 23, 2011 3:09 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Exactly what I was thinking
more interested in seeing him box than give GSP another unanimous decision win
ABN
or
Fight for the title in the biggest mma organization
Make the most money he’s ever made in a fight
Have a shot to become the #1 ranked fighter in the ww division
Have a shot to knock off one of the best fighters of all time.
Man, what was he thinking?
by bigdmmafan on May 23, 2011 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
Agreed
There is money here for Diaz
A chance at the UFC title
More exposure in PPV numbers and perhaps if negotiated well, perhaps PPV money due to buy rates (Randy Deal)
So I say good for Diaz to get what he wanted.
And as we all know anything can happen in the UFC.
In the end; he is going to get PAID!!!!
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Of course thats what he is thinking
I would probably make the same choice . What does he have to fear from Gsp, any significant pain or damage? No, but he will lose and go back to SF with much less value
ABN
I honestly dont know any details about this fight
but I dont think Diaz is down to relinquish his SF belt and sign with the UFC. Unless of course he really believes he is going to win that belt
ABN
as you say the details are still forthcoming, but...
I don’t remember Diaz saying anything in the past that suggests he is particularly attached to his strikeforce belt.
I suspect that Zuffa will sign him to a UFC contract before they give him the chance to take a UFC belt. There are other big figths in the UFC other than GSP… I just don’t see him moving back to SF to fight Tyrone Woodley or whatever.
I kind of remember Diaz saying
The SF belt don’t mean shit now that Zuffa bought them.
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Oh yeah I actually forgot about that interview
I remember him being quoted:
“Daley can have the belt. Its all about going over to the UFC now so… i never put that shit on anyway.”
I guess he was just using this potential boxing match hype as a way to get an immediate title shot at GSP instead of having to fight someone else first like Shields/Kampmann
ABN
Much less value based on what? The fact that he lost to GSP? Because that’s only happened to quite a few people.
On the other side, what happens if he hurts GSP worse than anyone else has recently or gets a very close split decision loss he could actually gain quite a few fans from that. Now I’m sure there’s the people that will say that scenario cant happen but unless Diaz gets destroyed I dont see anything devaluing him and even if he gets destroyed it would take 1 good performance to remind people of how good he is. Think BJ/Florian after BJ/GSP 2.
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by mthom on May 23, 2011 3:48 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Kos got Ko'd by bjj expert Paulo Thiago
So that should let u know how good Kos’s boxing is
ABN
by DL2kold on May 23, 2011 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
If he wanted to comfortably draw a paycheck and beat up on cans he'd join Eddie Alvarez over at Bellator
we should applaud Nick Diaz for wanting to fight the best…consequences of a loss be damned
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I mean what the hell man
He’s driving a Honda here and his shit’s breaking down….
by mthom on May 23, 2011 3:09 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Can't stand Diaz's personality.
That aside, this has a been a brilliant bit of negotiation and maneuvering, and I’m actually curious to see this fight. More than likely it’ll be a 25 minute GSP takedown clinic with a few bottom scares here and there, but nonetheless I’ll be tuning in to see it.
No way GSP messes with Diaz’s boxing after the Daley fight. He may test the waters, but as soon as Nick starts the pitter-patter (assuming he’s fast enough to tag GSP) it’s going right to the canvas.
Diaz’ BJJ is just as good as Shields IMO and GSP was reluctant to go to the ground with Jake. The only difference being that Jake’s stand up is so awful that he is pretty much forced to use his BJJ in almost every fight.
I don’t think GSP is safe any where this fight takes place, he’s in danger on the feet and on the ground. Diaz is going to force GSP to fight and take risks.
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by Mckeever on May 23, 2011 3:18 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
I think we see a well rounded approach from gsp this time, and that he actually puts on an exciting performance. He has been fighting somewhat one dimensional fighters since his second Penn fight, and I don’t blame him one bit for choosing to fight where he has an advantage. Nick is well rounded enough to make this fight interesting, but I don’t think gsp’s top control is an any serious submission danger. Nick may somewhat neutralize his ground offense, but I also don’t think that nick has fought anyone with gsps strength
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Yea, i think it will be more exciting than shields’ fight. Shields didn’t want to get knocked out or really end up on his back. Diaz doesn’t give a fuck.
Nick 'Honey Badger' Diaz
Diaz doesn’t give a fuck.
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by tigerlee on May 23, 2011 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
This is the only fight
That really makes sense for GSP right now. Before rematching him with people he already beat handily (Fitch, Penn etc) why not match him up with Diaz? Nick will bring the fight to GSP, and is dangerous off of his back. Unlike some of St. Pierre’s previous opponents, Diaz is dangerous in all areas of the fight game and will pressure GSP right from the bell. I love this fight and would much rather shell out $50 to see these two fight than watch Jon Fitch get beaten up for 5 rounds.
... i think
GSP’s top game is so good for him to be submitted by Diaz
by Our Bovine Public on May 23, 2011 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I dont see this meaning Strikeforce is getting axed.
Why cant this just be a co-promoted PPV with Zuffa and SHO?
Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."
Technically it wouldnt be a co-promotion since SHO is not a promotion. What I meant is that they could do a co-produced PPV.
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by xFenixKnightx on May 23, 2011 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions
They've been copromoting for a while now
Co-promotion is a marketing practice where a company uses another company’s sales force, in addition to its own, to promote the same brand or range of brands. The term is frequently confused with Co-marketing.
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The hardest thing about predicting all of this
is that Diaz hasn’t faced ANYONE who has recently challenged for the UFC belt. I guess we’ll see if he’s as good as everyone seems to think he is. The Paul Daley win was quality though.
GSP’s top control is good but when has he really fought a really aggressive BJJ fighter (from the bottom)? As much as I love Beej, he hasn’t got the most aggressive guard in the world and then there’s the whole greasing scandal (I’m not looking to start a riot here). Then you have Matt Serra who’s BJJ is more tailored towards actual BJJ competition rather than MMA imo.
I think Nick has a legit chance to get Georges tangled up in a submission over a five round period. He never tires and he will be constantly looking for some thing.
I think this fight is so intriguing. Diaz’ pressure boxing and combinations vs GSP’s stick and move jab + over hand boxing. Diaz’ slick, aggressive BJJ vs GSP’s top notch top control.
Can’t wait.
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by Mckeever on May 23, 2011 3:37 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Agreed. People who think the grappling match is said and done are not being realistic. The only dangerous guard GSP has ever been in was BJs , who primarily uses his guard for sweeps. GSP in all reality, has never been tested by a longer opponent who is a legit black belt who’s game is to sub off of his back. Diaz winning by sub is totally possible. Much more than people are implying. Diaz has perhaps the best chance to submit/KO/TKO GSP than any of his previous opponents. Not to mention Diaz turns everything into a barn burner and you got yourself an exciting matchup to say the least. GSP weakest point is certainly his Bjj.
by p123 on May 23, 2011 4:09 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 3 recs
This better mean Diaz GSP is happening or they are paying DIAZ a dump truck full of 100 dollar bills to fight T-Wood
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That was my first thought
Right after my considerations of how awesome this is going to be, and how exciting it would be if Diaz won.
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by Drunken cutman on May 23, 2011 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions
If Diaz won
I’d have to take that Monday off becuase I’d have the hangover of all hangovers from the celebration.
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by xFenixKnightx on May 23, 2011 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
IF
he won.
I tend to be biased towards strikers . . . exciting strikers.
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by VeeisAnimated on May 23, 2011 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I said if. lol
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by xFenixKnightx on May 23, 2011 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Sadly the word “if” is required to be bold, in italics and quoted.
I tend to be biased towards strikers . . . exciting strikers.
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by VeeisAnimated on May 23, 2011 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh
I don’t think that it’s likely, which just makes it all the more of an exciting prospect.
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by Drunken cutman on May 23, 2011 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Am I the only one
More interested in seeing Nick Box than watching him fight GSP? I don’t know exactly how the fight is going to play out but if I had to bet I would put my money on GSP taking him down and pounding on him for 5 rounds. I actually want to see Diaz box. That sounds really interesting to me I have no idea what would happen.
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I know the pickings are slim for GSP right now but this fight is going to be the usual GSP clinic and lot of people are gonna be dissapointed
GSP is better in every facet of the sport and is going to expose Diaz for the hyped up journeyman that he is.
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by MattParker117 on May 23, 2011 3:44 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
So who thinks this is gonna be at Rogers Centre? I do...
$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."
Ah
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by xFenixKnightx on May 23, 2011 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions
does montreal have a stadium?
where did the expos play? is that thing still there?
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by milk72 on May 23, 2011 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
OLYMPIC STADIUM
hell yeah it’s still there! bigger than rogers centre
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This is another one of those...
Diaz has about zero chance. But the UFC (and Diaz fanboys) will hype it up like he does. Can’t wait for the Primetime on this one, it’ll be a carbon copy of the one for Shields. Another great payday for the UFC and for GSP.
I see what youre saying. With Diaz he will TD rinse repeat for 5 rounds, right? Also, he will grease. lol jk I dont know I mean, Diaz isnt BJ. I think he has a way better gas tank.
To put it simply. I would rather watch GSP vs Diaz over any other fight the UFC can do right now other than GSP vs SIlva. So yeah, bring it on.
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by xFenixKnightx on May 23, 2011 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Diaz/ GSp > Silva/ GSP as of today IMO… Both guys present similar problems, and I don’t know if GSP is going to be able to deal with someone who has better striking and jj than him. Honestly I think I’m going to put money on Diaz here, this isn’t Diaz from years ago…
by p123 on May 23, 2011 4:14 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
I'm so tired of
the majority of the people out there (whether your a GSP nuthugger or not)are not giving Nick Diaz a chance at winning. Is Nick Diaz going to be scared staring at GSP across the ring? NO. Has GSP fought anyone like Nick Diaz lately? NO. This fight to GSP will be like fighting shields (because of the immanent danger that comes with bringing him down to the mat) except Diaz CAN actually put him away with his boxing, something Shields and Kos couldn’t do.
Diaz being brought to the mat and held there is an answer for a lot you defending GSP. Almost like saying, “GSP is awesome!!!! as long as GSP can just get him down and hold him there for 5 rounds.” Diaz will undoubtedly be taken to the mat during this fight. I don’t doubt that for one second. But how many people are actually saying “GSP is gonna knock him out!” or “GSP is going to submit him!!”…. Not too many. That’s because the only threat he could pose at this point to just smother diaz. Good for him if he can do that. And congrats if you actually like to watch that…
But lets take into consideration that Diaz runs TRIATHLONS. He’s not going to gas out with GSP on top of him. He will constantly scramble and/or look for the sub. IMO diaz has more tools than GSP and more than any other previous opponent, with the exception of BJ but BJ was too small with no gas in the tank.
I am definitely a big Diaz fan but i’m not naive to what GSP can do. All I’m saying is before you go ahead and say what everyone is saying, take a look at the facts, fights, and really think about it.
WAR DIAZ.
by TSMstudio on May 23, 2011 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions 8 recs
Honestly
If I was in Diaz’ camp I’d talk up his BJJ BIG TIME leading into the fight the whole time scraring GSP into thinking he really might get subbed down there, like he thought with Shields. That way, he’s pretty much effed (in his mind) in any area the fight goes to. Anyone remember GSP saying he was seriously threatened by Shields ground game? I do.
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by xFenixKnightx on May 23, 2011 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions
GSP & Co. are too smart for that.
The book is already out on how to beat Diaz, and it’s by doing what Georges does best- having a varied, unpredictable attack. We all know what Diaz will do because he’s told us- throw up gogo’s and hooks to the head. That’s what he does. But that’s not enough to beat GSP.
Georges will tag him standing, take him down repeatedly, avoid the submission and rain down blows while postured up in Diaz’ guard. But Diaz will make it a fight, and since this is MMA and Nick is a gritty sonuvabitch, there’s always a chance that he catches a high guard sub or gets Georges’ back on the cage and pelts him with a whirlwind of hooks.
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by ElliotMatheny on May 23, 2011 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Man, I just don't think GSP has a chance standing.
He doesn’t have a diverse stand-up game. He has the agility to get in and out with his jab and he has some good kicks. That is really about it. He couldn’t finish Koscheck in 5 rounds and he couldn’t finish Shields in 5 rounds. And in both fights he used the same technique over and over in trying to finish the fight. Kos = Head kick. Shields = Overhand right.
If he stands with Diaz with the idea that he’s gonna jab him to death, he’s playing with fire. History shows he’s going to catch a punch he can’t handle and get stopped.
The fact of the matter is that GSP has mostly fought one-dimensional strikers looking to hit him with one or two power shots for years. And he has avoided the power dimension that they thrive in, which is actually not that difficult to do if that is all you have to be worried about.
Nick Diaz is not a one-dimensional striker who is looking to knock him out with one punch. GSP will be in a world of trouble if he doesn’t want to go to the ground.
I disagree with the notion
that GSP doesn’t have a diverse stand up game. I think he has a vast array of different strikes, from punches/ kicks/ knees to flying & spinning attacks as well.
I think GSP can hang with Diaz standing, but he won’t want to do so for long stretches of time. The book is already out on Nick- you exchange with him once or twice, then go for a takedown and work from the top until Diaz squirms away, rinse/ lather/ repeat. GSP is better than anyone else at doing just this.
And although Nick is a very good puncher, that’s about all he has. His kicks are laughable.
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by ElliotMatheny on May 24, 2011 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I enjoy Diaz fighting...
But he will get schooled.
GSP will do what he always does. He is going to mix it up, and use superior speed to out manuveur his opponent.
Whens the last time we saw someone actually shoot in on Diaz? He hasn’t fought a Wrestler in ages. That is a FACT. He hasn’t had to worry about the takedown in years. And just because his jitz is good doesn’t mean he wants to be on his back. When’s the last time we have seen GSP in danger in someones guard?
GSP is going to mix it up so much he will keep him guessing the whole time. He won’t sit in the pocket and swing with Diaz, he is going to stay on his bike, throw the jab and go for takedowns.
I’m honestly hoping that after the first 2 rnds we see Nick looking frustrated like we say Nate during his fight with The Waterboy.
The diaz boys are tough and have no fear, but it appears to me like they hvae thin skin. I’m interested in seeing how he handles himself when he’s in the deep water with GSP
Sheeeeeeeee-it
You Son Of a ---wait, no, you're good.
Originally I was going to reply saying how you were blindly defending Diaz while overlooking GSP… but you actually crafted a good little argument here.
I, too, think Diaz is being grossly overlooked. It’s time to stop calling his boxing ‘pitter-pat,’ because he’s laying people out with it… no question. And while we haven’t seen his ground game in quite some time, we all know it’s there.
However, people’s arguments against GSP are normally a variation on the ‘mentally weak’ excuse brought forth since the Serra loss, which has been trumpeted loudly and often whenever we speak of the P4P great. I truly think that GSP enjoys people assuming he will break. He’s a battle tested champion, gone 29 rounds in his last 6 fights, and (depending on which judges you sided with in the Shields fight) won all of them. He is a legitimate threat in every aspect of the game, has great cardio, and comes in with a flawless gameplan EVERY time.
What I do hope to see is Georges finally pushed in every aspect of the game. When we see Rush without a comfort zone, we may start seeing him finish because he CAN’T play it safe against Diaz.
Good post, TSM.
Thanks jcrowe07
The fact of the matter is that GSP is one of the most dominant fighters in history. (Yet he’s the only one that puts me to sleep but that’s besides the point..) He does come in with a game plan and sticks to it. That’s the sign of a great, well educated, and prepared ATHLETE.
But i think what a lot of people forget (and I have yet to see anyone mention this on any GSP/DIAZ post yet) is the fact that diaz is a bona fide FIGHTER. That’s something no one can argue. Growing up in the streets of Stockton has embedded the fighter prowess in his DNA. Why do you think he has a perma “mean mug”. For him it’s kill or be killed. If he see’s an opening he’s going for it, game plan or no game plan.
While GSP goes in, follows the game plan to an absolute T, and gets the W… Diaz goes in trying to kill the other person. That’s going to be the main difference in this fight IMO. GSP just lacks that killer instinct and that’s really what is pushing people away more and more from the GSP band wagon (like me).
If GSP gets in a tuff spot or even a great spot , he reverts back to his gameplan, ergo the fight turns boring. If something changes in a DIAZ fight, he flows almost organically where ever the fight needs to go for him to beat the other guy down.
Yes GSP is dominant on top and Diaz hasn’t faced a dangerous wrestler in almost 7 years… BUT guess what? GSP has NEVER had a guy like Diaz under him. It’s funny that people refuse to look at that situation. But then again that’s what happens when people are too far up GSP’s ass to realize. Pull your nose out people and smell what’s on the horizon.
Either way you slice this fight is getting me excited :)
by TSMstudio on May 23, 2011 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well said buddy, rec’d
If you're having fight problems I feel bad for you son, I got 99 problems but a Fitch ain't one.
Has anyone else thought of TUF?
I mean, I hope it’s the GSP fight. But with Chael out of the picture, TUF needs a personality… Diaz definitely fits that bill. Has any other coach gotten in to fisticuffs with their own fighters? Possible with Nick.
If the fight is announced this week it’s because they’ll be coaching on TUF, which typically starts filming at the beginning of June.
It kind of makes sense. TUF did pretty well for the GSP image the last time around. Having the ultimate heel (the anti-GSP really) in Diaz creates another opportunity to cast Saint-Pierre as the ultimate golden boy.
Diaz might be the ultimate heel to Canadians
But I think there’s a real chance he gains lots and lots of fans, especially if Zuffa lets the camera roll
"EVERYTHING IS HAPPENING"
- Bob Cole
I really hope he gets under GSP's skin
I want to see him fight with a chip on his shoulder. Diaz is probably the only guy out there that can rattle him and I think that’s what he needs.
"I can be friends with anybody. Man. Woman. Cat. Dog. Fish..... Alien." -Rampage
He will expect it from Nick, thats what Nick does.
But Shields taunting him after just eating a head kick probably blew his mind
ABN
Well, if Diaz wins then you can see it
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I want Shields/Fitch…
"Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid." -John Wayne
Death before dishonor, drinks before lunch.
by The American Ronin on May 24, 2011 2:49 AM EDT up reply actions
GSP's career.......
You either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become a vilian. – Harvey Dent
by Wormwood on May 23, 2011 5:56 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I'm interested what CBS / Showtime make of this
Since negotiations with Lorenzo Fertitta are ongoing and currently positive, and depending on what Diaz’ current contract involves (just with Strikeforce, or Strikeforce and Showtime?)
Maybe it’ll have run out naturally by December. Or, maybe, they’ll want GSP vs Diaz live on CBS.
I think you are the only other one I have seen here look at this (extremely important) angle. This is not a “done deal” UFC fight by any stretch of the imagination…
"Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid." -John Wayne
Death before dishonor, drinks before lunch.
by The American Ronin on May 24, 2011 2:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Doesn't GSP get points on the PPV
how would fighting on CBS affect that?
Since we don’t really know the details of the fighter contracts with their respective organizations or the organizations contracts with their distributors, there is still a way to go before this fight becomes a reality.
Hopefully, if this works out then the MMA heavyweight division is about to get a lot more interesting.
Brent
this is your piece but you’ve been very quiet down here in the ‘basement’…
Can you give us any more info / rumours on how this will shape up (or at least how you might have heard its going to shape up)… ?
Realise its completely unconfirmed still, but there are a load of questions – some of which are alluded to above, will Showtime be invovled? Will it involve a new UFC contract for Diaz? What does this mean for SF fighters from here on out?
I realise its probably still speculation at this point because people don’t know… but perhaps you can give us your thoughts?
'if you don't have humility as a fighter, fighting will bring humility to you...'
Should be one hell of a scrap. I for one can’t wait to see Diaz on UFC Primetime.
Keep Firing, Assholes!
Time to put some meat in your pain sandwich.
by Ubernoober on May 23, 2011 7:00 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
who
deleted my fan entry about this and said I had to write my own stuff and not just link an article?
Did they not READ my own stuff at the bottom?
Diaz with the wassup hands
And if GSP even thinks about being boring during the match, you know Diaz will be all about throwin the hands up with wassup, wassup?!!? Its a classic jedi mind trick that GSP will have no choice but to fall for what with all the fans and forums turning against him lately. I can hear the boos now. This has all the makings of a super entertaining fight that I cant wait to see.
If lightning strikes and Nick win's he should immediately retire from that division
And either go up to fight A Silva (very unlikely given his unwillingness to go up in weight against Mayhem) or go box. Imagine how pissed Jon Fitch would be. It would be amazing.
If the comments here are any indication
Is it possible that Diaz becomes the fan favorite (outside of Canada) in this fight?
I’ll be cheering for him.
"EVERYTHING IS HAPPENING"
- Bob Cole
I dunno. Most people have this warm appreciation for GSP. Nick Diaz is a love or hate type of guy so GSP would prolly still be the fan favorite. I just hope the fight does NOT take place in Canada. It’s annoying that GSP has fought the last two times on native soil where he’s outlandishly the crowd favorite. I hope its somewhere neutral, or not neutral in Diaz’s favor, ie NorCal
Well Diaz vs GSP might as well be official...
and I think it’s great news
by theworldismine on May 24, 2011 12:30 AM EDT reply actions
Finally, we've started arguing about GSP versus Diaz
Instead of having to ridiculous arguments about how Diaz would against professional boxers. It makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside.
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