Here's a clip of Jake Shields poking Georges St. Pierre's eye.
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Thank you
now people can shut the fuck up about how GSP was being too cautious
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GSP was still being too cautious.
The key is to hit the guy in the jaw really hard before the other guy does it to you.
by FreeLightningLee on May 2, 2011 1:15 AM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
Well this did happen in the 3rd round I believe..Its not like the first rounds were amazing.
by Tats16 on May 2, 2011 1:18 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
second.
I think he told the corner about it before the third started.
by Anton Tabuena on May 2, 2011 1:20 AM EDT up reply actions
GSP said post-fight, it was on the second.
by Anton Tabuena on May 2, 2011 1:25 AM EDT up reply actions
yep, and they told GSP to ko Shields right b4 the 3rd. Bad luck I'd say.
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by i_am_awesome_o on May 2, 2011 4:41 AM EDT up reply actions
it is the correct eye
good try to you
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by Earl Montclair on May 2, 2011 1:15 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
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by Earl Montclair on May 2, 2011 1:24 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
It’s obvious, based on the final damage, that GSP was eye poked, I was there, and saw Shields slap him multiple times in the mid-rounds. the video above is not the best example of the damage though.
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he poked the left....this is clear as day.
Jakes punch/slap comes form his left across the body an hits the bridge of the nose/inside right section of GSPs left eye. if you look hard enough, frame by frame, seconds 15 through 18 you can see the fingers rake across GSPs left eye.
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by F'n Clownshoes on May 2, 2011 6:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Ric Flair would be proud.
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damn
that’s some flagrant eye poking.
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by Nate Wilcox on May 2, 2011 1:17 AM EDT reply actions 5 recs
So in real time Shields is actually making a fist not just flailing an open hand at Georges face.
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by Earl Montclair on May 2, 2011 1:50 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
His hands never motioned towards Jake at all.
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by Earl Montclair on May 2, 2011 1:58 AM EDT up reply actions
His body movement looks like he could be fainting to lunge at Shields. The look of fear on Shield’s face to me looks like he is just reacting to any little movement. I’m not saying that it definitely wasn’t intentional, I’m just saying a lot of accidental stuff will look intentional in super slo-mo.
What round and time is this anyway so I can watch it full speed?
I have no flipping idea when this happened.
It seems like early…..first two rounds-ish
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by Earl Montclair on May 2, 2011 2:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Thats the Kempo karate eye poke, wonder where he learned that one.
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by R.T. on May 2, 2011 1:19 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
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by pdl on May 2, 2011 2:13 AM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
I still say Shields' poke is dirtier
A strike across the eyes with fingers outstretched – and the palm was open right from the beginning, putting his motives in question – is extremely dangerous, hence the bleeding in GSP’s eye and/or corneal abrasion.
Jon Jones is just being a dick by putting his thumb there. It’s still a bit dangerous, and I wish he didn’t do it, but nowhere near as bad as an eye poke.
by paythefighters on May 3, 2011 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions
The 2'nd one
doesn’t look much like an eye poke to me, but the top one is pretty flagrant. Now I know what you’re talking about when you say Jones was being dirty in that fight.
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by ElliotMatheny on May 2, 2011 2:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Snowden made a piece that broke down the entire fight
including his dirty moves… it was pretty obvious actually when I first watched it.
by Anton Tabuena on May 2, 2011 3:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Ahh.
I only passed over that article. To be honest, I normally don’t have a good eye for detail when I watch a fight for the first time. I just enjoy the fight, and if i rewatch it later I check for details.
I didn’t want to rewatch that fight because it makes me a sad sad panda.
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by ElliotMatheny on May 2, 2011 3:45 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah,
props to Jones, but Shogun is pure awesome and it hurts my fanheart to watch him get dominated like that. Especially when I know he’s not the same after that 3’rd knee surgery.
Here’s to hoping he beats Griffin in the rematch, and regardless of the outcome, considers a drop to 185.
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by ElliotMatheny on May 2, 2011 8:53 AM EDT up reply actions
I deleted it as soon as the PPV was finished.
To have that fight and Fedor-Silva so close together hurts my heart so.
First page that comes up.
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=jones+vs.+rua+minute+by+minute
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by ElliotMatheny on May 2, 2011 8:21 AM EDT up reply actions
sometimes, these things happen
it’s old, but still
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by exsanguinator on May 2, 2011 6:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Derp
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The fact that these pictures were posted and that they are green is the reason I hate all of you. Keep making fucking excuses for your favorite fighters. Rua had dick to offer Jon Jones that fight and you all know it. I hate MMA fans more than any other sports fans. More than Steeler and Patriot fans. I love the sport but the fans are fucking pathetic more often than not.
by Spider_Vemon on May 2, 2011 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions
*Groans*
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Derp, I surrounded your shitty comment
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Like how Jones surrounded your shitty god. Made him look like an ole bitch? Get off your high horse and stop making excuses for Rua. He got the dog shit stomped out of him by a better more talented fighter.
by Spider_Vemon on May 2, 2011 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't get your path of logic.
Jon Jones is the better fighter, therefore he can gouge eyes?
I’ll admit I doubt the eye gouging effected the outcome of the fight, but if you’re going to win anyways why gouge the poor guy’s eyes?
Oh and one more thing
Wtf
I said nothing about Rua.
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We can’t help it Jake shields and Jon Jones liike to dig for quarters in peoples eyes
I’d rather just climb this fridge
I dont care if they did. The fact is its not an excuse. Shields still lost. And Im glad he lost. And Jon Jones was superior IN EVERY WAY to Rua. And always will be. Deal with it. Sorry I just fucked your days up with some truth.
by Spider_Vemon on May 2, 2011 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
who said it was an excuse?? Jones jabs people in the eyes and grips them by the eyes and its dirty. Jones is a great fight, but also a little dirty too. My day is fine looks like we fucked yours up to get such anger from you. Have a coke and a smile and calm down dude
I’d rather just climb this fridge
The whole top thread was about eye poking, it had nothing to do with making excuses about Rua. Maybe you hate MMA fans cause your inferior intelligence level can’t keep up with us. Come back when you’re not a dumb ass.
by SpinningFistback on May 3, 2011 1:15 AM EDT up reply actions
It's Jake shields
He literally has the worst stand up of any top 5-10 fighter in any weight class. Some of the “head kicks” he threw were comical, not to mention his boxercise 1-2 combo. It’s embarrassing that he let shields stay around long enough to get poked in the eye in a purely stand up fight.
Gsp is capable of knocking shields out blindfolded, but he’d rather risk giving a post fight apology for a boring fight then losing.
by RoB_ex on May 2, 2011 1:24 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Obviously he cannot knock him out blindfolded
he couldn’t even do it with one eye.
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by Earl Montclair on May 2, 2011 1:26 AM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Psshhh... you lovers/haters...
Say whatever you want about what eye you “think” it looked like it hit.
Bottom line; throwing out an open hand, with fingers extended like, that without ever making a fist isn’t kosher. Seriously, this may not be on purpose (I’ll give the benefit of the doubt), but wow, sure doesn’t look good to be caught throwing finger jabs to the eyes of an opponent.
And to those of you who are hating on GSP for fighting “cautious” while practically blind in one eye, please refrain from commenting. If I thought my career was in jeopardy because I couldn’t see while my entire depth perception was gone and my peripheral vision was shot…. I might be a bit “hesitant” too. And, eh hem, so would you invincible “experts.”
Armchair guys wanting blood regardless of the reality of the fight are a pariah. A small majority but still, dear lord, let me poke you in the eye and then box you up.
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by Boondock Video on May 2, 2011 1:30 AM EDT reply actions 23 recs
Bottom line; throwing out an open hand, with fingers extended like, that without ever making a fist isn’t kosher.
This.
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by Earl Montclair on May 2, 2011 1:32 AM EDT up reply actions 8 recs
I think Koscheck has learned new respect for the eye.
by Tats16 on May 2, 2011 1:36 AM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
What the hell Shields, if you’d made a fist you’d actually land a hook. Shields needs to get locked away for 6 months and do nothing but box. He doesn’t even have to focus on muay thai, just plain old boxing for MMA, then go through an MMA camp, and unleash the somewhat more formidable beast. Seriously, if he had even a little bit more boxing skill, he could have really capitalized on the injured champ in rounds 4 and 5.
And seriously, there’s absolutely no good reason to have your fingers extended while trying to strike your opponent. Reminds me of when Anthony Johnson got eye poked from hell by Kevin Burns because he couldn’t close a fist. Why the fuck are you fighting if you can’t close a fist? How do you get cleared to fight if you can’t do that? It’s dangerous as hell, and doesn’t need to be anywhere near a championship fight.
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by Kaleb Kelchner on May 2, 2011 1:34 AM EDT reply actions 5 recs
so THIS is why GSP said this was his most dangerous opponent to date.
Shields wanted to get revenge on Georges’ eyes for what he does to everyone else’s eyes.
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by Earl Montclair on May 2, 2011 1:37 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I hope Manny performs well this Saturday
he trained with GSP a little when they were both here in the Philippines. Maybe Kos and Margarito resulted to voodoo to get revenge for their eye injuries.
So let me get this straight: the WWE has gone from the powerful "Austin 3:16" to the dominant and iconic "Can you smell what the Rock is cooking?" all the way to... (cue baby voice) "You can't see me." Oh, believe me, we all can see you. A blind-folded, sleeping, stuck in the basement, Stevie Wonder can see your monkey ass. - The Rock
He trained along side GSP… they both took turns hitting the pads with Roach.
by Anton Tabuena on May 2, 2011 1:50 AM EDT up reply actions
hetrainedhad picture taking with GSP a little when they were both here in the Philippines
alright, fixed. lol
So let me get this straight: the WWE has gone from the powerful "Austin 3:16" to the dominant and iconic "Can you smell what the Rock is cooking?" all the way to... (cue baby voice) "You can't see me." Oh, believe me, we all can see you. A blind-folded, sleeping, stuck in the basement, Stevie Wonder can see your monkey ass. - The Rock
I mean Shields has to answer for this BS right?
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by joker24 on May 2, 2011 1:46 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
In an interview, maybe...
To save me some time on 25% of all threads, here's the universal answer to the Fedor-debate: Fedor is the most accomplished MMA fighter ever. That is a fact. If he still is the best fighter at this point in time is up for debate.
I sort of feel bad for GSP, I’m sure he wanted to just demoralize Shields in the first and then start to close in and finish in the latter rounds, 3,4, and 5th, but alas he was poked in the eye and was relegated to what we saw. We’ll never know for sure though, I think once Jake was a little more bewildered he’d have gotten a touch more aggressive, like he did with Kos (which was less boring but still boring). Maybe even gone for a take down and done top damage the way he did Alves etc.
Going in for the kill on Jake in the first would’ve been dumb, a fresh Jake on the ground is really really dangerous. However, after that leg kick, man he should’ve been on that. He should have more confidence in his BJJ defense!
But I suppose there’s always next time. I’d really like to see him be a tad more aggressive, but I’ll never hold against him jabbing his opponent into desperation in the 1st. What surprised me was that Jake never really got desperate at all, he just sort of figured “whelp, lost this one, I guess I’ll just go ahead and dance for the next 3 rounds. Maybe I’ll catch him, my standup is really underrated.”
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by pdl on May 2, 2011 1:50 AM EDT reply actions 8 recs
How do you wake up Lady Gaga?
You poker face!! LOL
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You know what?
I didn’t use to think that she had man parts until I google image searched it, and there are some very suspect pictures.
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by ElliotMatheny on May 2, 2011 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
So can we have a Mulligan on the Kos/Rumble fight?
Seriously the GSP apologists are out of control.
I found it
Gsp’s weakness: eye poke defense
by shogunism on May 2, 2011 2:25 AM EDT via mobile reply actions 2 recs
This is a normal open palm strike!!
People do it all the time, especially if your hand hurts from punching someone’s elbow or something. Urijah Faber did only open palm strikes to MTB in the final 2 rounds of their rematch.
Shields most likely wasn’t trying to eye poke GSP so lets all relax. He could have even been reaching for a Thai clench thinking GSP was stepping in. This is no big deal, especially bc its to the wrong eye anyway.
two things
1. palm strikes are done by PALM not by fingers, so if you wanna do palm strikes make your fingers pointing upward not forward.
2. it is the right eye, did you even watch the video?
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by DK_Monster on May 2, 2011 3:26 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
oh one more thing
it wasnt like shields’ hand was injured or anything, he threw hooks with no problem at all after that eyepoke
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No, this is not an "open palm strike"
You don’t throw a palm strike like that unless you want to break your fingers, or poke your opponent in the eye.
A palm strike is thrown with the hand pulled backwards, and you hit with the heel of your palm – this is essentially hitting someone with the end of your forearm.
If you land a significantly hard strike with your fingers pointed forward like that, you’re going to break your fingers.
Why did they crop the time and round??
Would’ve wanted to see this on slowmotion in HD.
I can’t view the clip now, but I thought that in replays during the fight they once showed a clip of what looked to be a flagrant eye-poke with fingers. But by then Rogan had already decided that the injury came from a punch, so he and Goldie didn’t even acknowledge the possible eye-poke replay clip. That annoyed me.
Ya, annoyed me too
sigh what can you do?
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by i_am_awesome_o on May 2, 2011 4:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Seriously, Rogan seemed “on” to me until the Aldo fight. Then he started ignoring what was actually happening because in the second round Hominick looked good standing up. So, therefore, when Aldo was beating him on the feet in rounds 3 and 4…it didn’t matter. They were “in Hominick’s world!” “look at the head movement!” ..etc.
That carried over to the main event as the narrative should have been that GSP was TELLING HIS CORNER HE WAS BLIND IN ONE EYE! But instead they just focused on the stand-up being a surprise as though BEING BLIND would have no effect.
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by Brent Brookhouse on May 2, 2011 7:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah,
reminds me of the first Penn/ Edgar fight. Penn CLEARLY edged the first 2 rounds, and edged the next 2 IMO, the narrative Rogan pushed was that Frankie was doing so well, he was so surprised that he could be competitive with BJ.
Same with the first Machida/ Rua fight; Rogan was so surprised with how well Shogun was doing that you would’ve thought it was domination. Although I thought Shogun won, that was a very competitive fight in the early going.
Rogan is a fine commentator and I really enjoy most of his work, but sometimes he loses sight of what he should be doing, and that’s earnestly calling the action of the fight.
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by ElliotMatheny on May 2, 2011 7:53 AM EDT up reply actions
I think if Joe openly acknowledges that George can’t really see maybe they have to stop the fight. At least they certainly have more cause too, once it’s been openly acknowledged. Rogan quoted “problems” with the eye, never that he couldn’t see (as far as I can remember).
That’s instantly what I was thinking, anyway.
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by Horselover Fat on May 2, 2011 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions
wow. I missed that...
thank you!
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by Brent Brookhouse on May 2, 2011 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
No problem, I’m with you that it’s a really important issue and I thought this article was very good, so I thought I’d make sure you saw it. Maybe you can work it into some front page magic or something. It was linked to in a fanshot a few days ago, but I guess it kind of got lost in the shuffle.
by Horselover Fat on May 2, 2011 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions
gif?
Came someone make a gif out of this please? Can’t see the video at work!
Here's a bad-angled gif of it:
You can clearly see Jake’s fingers getting very close to GSP’s left eye as he’s rushing in for his takedown. Hard to tell if they hit the eye or not, though. Still searching for a better angle.
FYI, that’s different from the video (which has now been taken down)
by paythefighters on May 3, 2011 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Groin
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by tito (eight and oh) on May 2, 2011 8:40 AM EDT up reply actions
please tell me you're joking
getting poked in the eye is an excuse?
please try to spar someone with only one eye
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Serra. That’s his excuse, and understandably so (IMO). Oh, and the Alves, Fitch and Penn fights were great, only thing missing in those was finishes. GSP dominated those guys and put major beatings on them. He wasn’t tentative in those fights. I can’t really excuse the last three GSP fights though… Hardy, Koscheck and Shields. He should’ve done a lot more in each of those and vary his attacks a lot more. For some reason, when GSP has his mind set on one thing, he sticks to it and forget he’s also a master at every other technique in MMA. With Hardy, he wanted a sub and forgot his striking, both standing and on the ground. With Koscheck, the plan was to use his jab, and that’s all he did. With Shields, the plan was to keep it standing by maintaining his distance (jab) and trying to copy Henderson and catch Shields with an overhand right. That’s pretty much all he did.
It’s a weird thing to say, I know, but I feel as though GSP needs LESS gameplanning and let the fight flow more naturally, allowing him to use his array of techniques as the fight happens.
by Shnak on May 2, 2011 8:59 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
That's actually a very good point.
By all means, follow a general gameplan, but also don’t limit yourself. That said, the overhand right was landing early and often until his eye got fucked.
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by ElliotMatheny on May 2, 2011 9:03 AM EDT up reply actions
ok i wont argue with him being a lil tentative
maybe he is. i dont think so but since he didnt really finish (and get really close to finish) fights lately so i guess you can blame him for being tentative. but saying getting poked in the eye an excuse is just not right. I don’t blame him for being tentative when he only could see with one eye.
with one eye, you get fucked up distance which causes dramatic decrease in striking and even TD accuracy. and if i was GSP, I would do the same thing if i was poked in the eye, i would be super cautious cause obviously you dont wanna lose your belt.
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Oh I agree with you about the eye poke thing. That’s not a made-up excuse, it clearly was bothering him and he didn’t do much the rest of the fight. No questions there.
I was more adressing the rather tentative approach to his game in recent fights, generally. It’s all in his head. He doesn’t want to get cracked again like he did by Serra.
Tentative where?
vs. Hardy, fine. He wanted to submit Hardy, and failed.
I didn’t see him tentative elsewhere.
by paythefighters on May 3, 2011 2:59 AM EDT up reply actions
It’s funny that the eye injury occurs shortly after the announcers mention Chuck Liddell yelled something out to Shields….
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by AJB on May 2, 2011 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Also suspicious
Ric Flair, master of the Greco-Roman Eyepoke, was in Shields’ corner.
by Verklemptomaniac on May 2, 2011 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions
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by Hioki's Hamster on May 2, 2011 10:48 AM EDT reply actions
Meh.
It’s pretty shady that he shot his hand straight out with his fingers outstretched.
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by ElliotMatheny on May 2, 2011 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions
what i really find strange is
the ufc brass have made zero excuses for GSP, its as if they want GSP to get crucified by his own fans. at the post fight presser when asked about gsp’s performance all white could say was “they both respected each other” and “sheilds is no joke”, not even a peep about the eyepoke, to add to insult he went on to say that chuck told him that sheilds won the fight and it was close, really ? this is what GSP gets for being a company man and lobbying the get MMA sanctioned across Canada ?
and rogan not bringing the eyepoke during the fight, i expect this much from him, being a huge penn/diaz mark, i wont be surprised if he secretly hates georges. just last week he went on ariel’s show and pissed all over gsp and pretty much declared nick the best WW in the world. i dont know if this is genuine hate for french canadians on dana’s part or there’s some back room drama that im not aware about, but all this hate for gsp is just sickening.
Instead of hating on GSP for being cautious or boring
Shouldn’t the other top 20 WW’s in the world get the hate for not bridging the gap between Number 1 and the rest of the pack?
He can get away with being cautious because nobody has brought the fight to him to the point where he has to take risks. Maybe if somebody was as dedicated to getting as well rounded as GSP is, we would see GSP have to really try and finish fights.
Yep.
That’s a very good point. I’m tired of all the hate GSP gets for being boring or being tentative. As much as I’d like to see the hungry and aggressive GSP from pre-Serra, it’s hard to fault him for playing it safe. And really, he’s there to defend his title, and that’s what he does. It’s up to his opponents to come and take it away from him. It’s up to them to take the fight to GSP and make him work hard at keeping the belt. And so far, nobody’s even come close to do that.
GSP fans give it up.
You act like GSP would have done something differently with two eyes. He does the same thing every fight. He didn’t do shit the first two rounds. When he knocked Jake down, did he go in for the kill? No, he just stood there like he always does. One eye, two eyes, GSP is a sfae, boring fighter.
i wrote this in another post but i think this might be relevant to what you are saying
he used the overhand right and exagerrated it based on Hendo’s first round against Shields.
in the first 2 rounds it was landing, maintaining distance and setting up the spinning back kick.
after the 2nd round eye gouge/poke/scrape GSP continued w/ the initial stages of his plan because maintaining distance allowed him the best vision possible. if he had started closing distance he would have jeopardized his sight lines and increased the chances of one of the worst strikers (for top ranked fighters) to catch him w/ something and ending on his back, which is the LAST place he wanted to be.
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by F'n Clownshoes on May 2, 2011 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions
i'm not saying he wasn't being safe
i’m saying we didn’t get to see his game plan come to fruition. unfortunately, his game plan more than likely would of ended in a 5 round unanimous decision, it’s just that Jake would have looked a lot worse for wear.
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by F'n Clownshoes on May 2, 2011 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
He hit Shields with a few spinning back kicks that connected solidly early in the fight, plus he landed 4 or 5 solid overhand rights, also early in the fight. He had a superman punch that connected well, too. He was clearly dominating early in the fight, and who knows what would’ve happened had he continued that way the rest of the fight. It was clear his eye was bothering him though as he started missing his overhand rights by a feet or two. He also stopped trying spinning back kicks.
The first two rounds against BJ Penn looked safe and boring, too.
But he was actually setting up BJ for the later rounds by overworking his deltoids. GSP’s plans always start slow.
I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.
Umm, yes. He did go for the kill.
That’s how Jake got back up. GSP missed, and Jake grabbed a leg.
by paythefighters on May 3, 2011 3:02 AM EDT up reply actions
if you wanna turn a blind eye to what happened be my guest!
im not asking for dana to fabricate anything, i just want him to say it like it is, and when has dana made excuses for him ? after both kos and hardy fights GSP was present to answer his own questions and own up to his mistakes, as much as you want to believe the eye poke had no effect on the fight, you know thats far from the truth.
there is no pattern here, he always tries to finish! he woulda done the same here in the later rounds if if wasnt for the flagrant eye poke.
Finally
Its good to get some evidence in my defense of GSP. How anyone can put the blame on him after seeing the blatant eyepoke is ridiculous. And people saying it wasnt a “real” injury are just retarded, he went to the hospital and even hours after the fight his vision hadn’t returned. It doesnt take much to tear or detach your retina and if that happens you are not seeing out of your eye. I think any other fighter would have gotten the benefit of the doubt(except maybe Fedor or Lensar) but people have finally found a way to criticize GSP so they are going all out with it.
First two rounds of Koscheck looked safe too,
and that’s how it went the entire fight. Why bring up a gassed BJ who GSP fought 2 years ago? If you’re going to make comparisons, bring up his recent fights. The fact is, he doesn’t take chances. And if you watch his last three fights, what proof has he given you that makes you beleive he was going to take a chance in this fight? He can’t finish HArdy, who gets knocked out by Condit in the first round, who took a chance himself by exspoxing his chin, which could have put him down if Hardy connected first.
Against Shields, rounds 1 and 2 looked the exact same as 3,4 and 5 to me. Again, GSP knocked Shields down, but then just stood there. There’s no excuse for that. He doesn’t have the drive, he doesn’t have the will, or heart. You can turn a blind eye if you want to, but the proof is in the pudding.
Hardy treated GSP completely different from Condit. He was all defense against GSP, rolling with punches, throwing so cautiously that he went 0 for 18 from striking range. Even if GSP did stick his head out, Hardy wouldn’t have exposed his.
Against Condit, he said that he had more power in his pinky than Condit did in his entire body. Had no respect for Condit.
Same thing happened with Koscheck. Thiago was the newcomer, supposedly a stepping stone to a title shot. Kos thought he could own Thiago on the feet, and did this awful leaping jab with his head faced down.
I don’t even believe you watched the fight, given those remarks. After the first knockdown, Shields was 10 feet away and sprung back to his feet immediately. After the head kick, GSP swung violently at Shields’ head. When he missed, Shields grabbed a leg and stood up.
by paythefighters on May 3, 2011 3:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Well, maybe I'm blind then
but I stand by my statements. THe only difference was GSP was missing his strikes more, in 3,4,5. But as far as taking risks, no difference. Jab,jab, jab, superman punch, sloppy haymaker, back fist, knock your opponent down, then just stand there, jab, jab.
And the other difference is that GSP was getting hit more.
GSP was hitting Jake with the haymakers, just not cleanly. Give him his eye back and Shields gets dropped several times more.
by paythefighters on May 3, 2011 3:18 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm mad at Jake Shields.
Not just because of the eye poke but because after the eye poke he did nothing to make this an exciting fight, either. GSP couldn’t see out of one eye and Shields still clung to his crappy stand-up and did not take advantage of the opportunity that was there for him to win this fight. Maybe it was a boring GSP fight but it was a pretty boring Jake Shields fight, too.
Honey badger don't care.
It's true, they're both boring as hell
But I blame the UFC for promoting GSP like he’s such an exciting fighter, he’s not. And he shouldn’t be able to headline fights anymore. Let him co headline.
"And he shouldn't be able to headline fights anymore"
This is just plain silly – especially after some of the stuff Anderson Silva has pulled intentionally
Michael Bisping - hahaha!
Nobody else could be any more exciting against those guys
Hendo, Daley, Condit, Lawler tried against Shields and failed.
Rumble, Daley, Alves tried against Koscheck and failed.
by paythefighters on May 3, 2011 3:16 AM EDT up reply actions
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