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What's Keeping MMA Out of New York? Is It the Unions Going After the UFC, or is It the Lack of a Union in the UFC?

Most fans of mixed martial arts are well aware of the many efforts Zuffa and the UFC have put forth to get the sport legalized in the state of New York. Press conferences and rallies have been held, lobbyists have been hired, economic impact studies have been undertaken, and yet, so far, it has been for naught. The credit for stymieing these endeavors is usually laid at the feet of the state’s massive budget crisis, its Byzantine bureaucracy, or the current boogeyman of MMA regulation, New York Assemblyman Bob Reilly, who in the past has compared the sport to prostitution and dog fighting.  Now entering the fray on the side of the "nays" is Unite Here,  a labor union whose members work predominantly in the hotel, food service, laundry, warehouse, and casino gaming industries. They have released a memo detailing their reasons as to why the New York Legislation should reject  bill S01707Awhich would authorize mixed martial arts in the state:

• Unlike in boxing, where both federal and New York State laws have been passed to protect the athletes from exploitative and coercive promoter contracts, mixed martial arts fighters do not enjoy "outside-the-ring" protection from unscrupulous promoters.

• In the largest mixed martial arts promotion, the Ultimate Fighting Championships (UFC), fighters have spoken out against coercive contract provisions that lead to perceived unfair fighter pay. 

They go on to cite the lack of a Mohammed Ali act in MMA, the UFC's position as a monopoly, and the abusive nature of their contracts (specifically the "champion clause", fighter status as independent contractors, and "image rights") as all reason to vote "no". Valid reasons to be against mixed martial arts? Perhaps, but according to the  UFC's response their opposition has nothing to do with the sport or even the UFC:

"the real motivation for its "opposition" is the fact that a company in Las Vegas, a totally separate business outside of New York, has not acquiesced in a culinary union organizing drive; the only nexus between these two situations is the fact that some of the owners of the UFC happen to be partial owners of that separate company in Nevada."

 Dana White expanded on this, explaining who and what was the real culprit in keeping MMA out of the Big Apple (HT: MMAFighting): 

"It has nothing to do with mixed martial arts the reason that we're not in New York," White said. "It has to do with the Culinary Union. The Culinary Union is spending millions of dollars of all these people who pay dues to keep us out of there because my partners, the Fertitta brothers, are the largest non-union gaming company in the country. So these union idiots, all these people work in the Culinary Union, pay their money towards dues, this is what all their money's being spent towards. Fighting the UFC from coming there and bringing money into the state of New York."

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For what it is worth, long time MMA reporter, and even longer time New York residence, Eddie Goldman shot down Dana White's theories on his radio show, No Holds Barred (Transcript thanks to Zach Arnold at Fight Opinion):

"(In) 2008, The Culinary Workers Union Local 226, part of the umbrella organization, the umbrella union Unite Here, did start a corporate campaign against MMA in New York which was ill-advised and I’ve said so publicly and privately many, many times because whatever Station Casinos does and whatever the Fertittas do, really the sport of MMA is a legitimate sport (and) stands on its own merit. And MMA in New York would not only be UFC, would not only be the Zuffa organizations, but you would see a tremendous growth, a tremendous springing up of new organizations all over the state from local, indigenous New Yorkers. So, it’s not just a question of bringing in this Nevada gaming organization that’s on trial at the NLRB. It was very ill-advised and they stopped it. They really haven’t done anything in a few years on this issue. But people like Bob Reilly and the people in the New York state legislature that are opposed to MMA are not doing so because they got some union contributions. They’ve gotten union contributions all along, for decades. The trade union bureaucracies and the Democratic Party have been tight-in-bed for decades, this is absolutely nothing new. But, these people like Reilly are against fighting sports…"

"By the way, on the issue of unions, Keith Wright who is the head of the Assembly Labor Committee, is one of the big supporters of the bill to legalize MMA. He’s publicly spoken out on this issue and he’s a guy very much tied into the unions. So, if the unions are the problem, why is Keith Wright actively supporting this?"

Goldman makes a solid point that many of the bill's biggest supporters are also hardcore pro-union politicians. But that still doesn't mean that Unite Here and the Culinary Union are not actively fighting MMA in the Empire State  as a means of hitting back at Frank and Lorenzo Fertitta. 

So, has the struggle to bring mixed martial arts to New York become something of a proxy war for an even bigger struggle taking place in Nevada between the Fertitta's Station Casinos and the Culinary Workers Union? The answer to that question is... I don't know nor do I think it really matters in the grand scheme of getting MMA regulated in New York. What does matter is that from these statements  it looks as if the UFC has settled on a strategy of focusing on the opposition possible ulterior motives for denying MMA, and that those voting against it are, in effect, in the Unions' pocket. True or not I hope they abandon this strategy immediately, because it is one I feel is doomed to make things even worse.

Is it really wise on the UFC's part to bring attention to the Fertittas struggle with unions, to the fact that Union Local 226 (along with the Bartenders Unions, Local 165) has filed a complaint against Station Casinos with the National Labor Relations Board, alleging that "the company has illegally used threats, intimidation, interrogation, surveillance, bribery, discouragement, discrimination, discipline and physical assault against employees engaged in lawfully protected union activities." Accusation that, in a surprise move, Stations Casino decided to present no defense against when offered the chance in court. In a state with with the highest union membership rate in the nation I don't think it would be wise at all.

Current polls put support for legalization at around 39% in New York. Attacking unions and drawing attention to less than stellar labor relations is not going to win over union members and union households, who we should remember vote in higher numbers than the general population. What will win support is something I have recommended before in the comment sections, and that is for the UFC to step aside and let someone else, someone with no attachments to Zuffa, to take the point in lobbying to get bill S01707A passed. It's too late for Zuffa and the UFC: the story of legalization is now the story of their business practices. They have become a liability and the longer they remain active the more it will be about them and unions. But they can help by throwing support behind a local proponent (may I recommend Stephan Koepfer, Founder of The Coalition to Legalize Mixed Martial Arts in New York) and then retreating into the background. Before, with the UFC's strategy of making sure that they were always viewed as synonymous and ubiquitous with mixed martial arts it made sense for them to be at the forefront guaranteeing that only they would really benefit from its passage. But that threat no longer exists. They have crushed all their enemies, seen them driven before them, and have heard the lamentation of their women, and now only they remain as anything remotely close to a major promotion.

As strange as it may sound, the UFC is not helping the sport of MMA in New York.

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by Derek Suboticki on May 19, 2011 1:16 PM EDT reply actions  

It may be a pride factor that prevents them from taking your recommendation to step aside. I’m certain Zuffa/Dana White/The Fertitta’s want the full credit for getting MMA legalized in New York, and from the statements made here by Dana White they appear not to realize they’re shooting themselves in the feet. The major thing to me here is that MMA needs someone with clout equivalent to or greater than Bob Reilly’s in New York State politics, someone who can speak with equal gravity on the matter. The reason for this is I feel most legislators are generally indifferent to having MMA legalized, they simply only have one rope tugging on them for a vote, and that vote is unfortunately to uphold the sport’s ban.

Also, excellent Conan reference. Am I the only one intrigued by the reboot?

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by Anthony Pace on May 19, 2011 1:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah, I don’t think many members of the NY assembly or their constituents really care about MMA or the UFC, but this is partly why i think it is a mistake for the UFC to be so involved – the opposition can make it about them. If the only thing voters know about MMA is the UFC and if the bill comes across as a legalize the UFC bill it’s that much easier to attack. People in NY may not care about MMA a lot but a lot of them care about unions so if they start to identify the bill with the guys who hate unions that isn’t going to help with an already uphill battle.

As for Conan, Sorry but I’ve heard from a pretty reliable source that it blows.

by John Nash on May 19, 2011 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think the indifference factor is key.

Even Reilly doesn’t campaign on MMA. It’s a side project for him, not key to his elecition platform. The sport is still too small for a significant amount of people to care whether it’s legal or not, as is the economic impact.

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by pdl on May 19, 2011 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Yep. We like to villianize Reilly for this on MMA sites but when you get right down to it he hasn’t done all that much to stop this besides the occasional assembly speech as to why he doesn’t support the bill. He’s not waging a war here he just occasionally answers some questions about MMA when asked in interviews and publically votes no on the subject when it is brought up.

by who me on May 20, 2011 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Speaking of...

Douche Reilly was on the YES network here in NY last night talking about this very subject and even goes into the Union theory…

http://web.yesnetwork.com/media/video.jsp?content_id=14965499

by Fokman on May 20, 2011 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

thanks for the link. Reilly has made some good points about the economic numbers that have been presented before but it gets overshadowed by a lot of silly stuff. Reilly mixes in some real concerns with a bunch of crap and dilutes his entire message.

by who me on May 20, 2011 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

interesting piece

I doubt unions have too much influence over this matter.
Didn’t know about Fertitta bro’s dealings with the culinary union, that is a shame. Vegas is a decent place to work largely because of their efforts and the efforts of other unions.

by tkired on May 19, 2011 4:41 PM EDT reply actions  

I’m sure a bunch of people are going to have trouble imagining any scenario were the UFC doesn’t take the lead – manly because they can’t ever imagine them being a negative. But I think you’re right, when dealing with people who aren’t familiar with fighting or are sitting on the fence it’s probably best not to use Dana or the Fertittas as representatives for the sport. Dana dropping f-bombs and getting into feuds with reporters is not going to go over well in most houses and the Fertittas… well they run a casino, and that’s a pretty sleazy business to be in. I think they’ve done great for the sport but appearance wise they’re horrible.

by George BLACKenschmidt on May 19, 2011 7:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Hey Bro thanks for the well written and informative piece

Being from NY my whole life it is frustrating we cant get MMA legalized, with that said I also didnt know Station Casinos treated their workers so badly. NYC is a Union city. A lot of my friends are Union members and in NY you dont mess with Unions.

by Papercut Elbow on May 20, 2011 9:22 AM EDT reply actions  

interesting to hear about unions and NY

by tkired on May 20, 2011 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Goldman makes a solid point that many of the bill’s biggest supporters are also hardcore pro-union politicians. But that still doesn’t mean that Unite Here and the Culinary Union are not actively fighting MMA in the Empire State as a means of hitting back at Frank and Lorenzo Fertitta.

Yep there is a difference between “a union” and “the unions” here. It’s not surprising that hotel and food service union in one state are upset about Station’s anti-union stance against hotel and food service workers in another state. So are they fighting against it for “revenge” reasons? most likely. Are their efforts part of the reason they can’t get this passed in New York? probably not. I think pdl hit the nail on the head when he said the real issue here is indifference, a lot of just people don’t know or care about the issue.

by who me on May 20, 2011 12:30 PM EDT reply actions  

oops

a lot of people just don’t know or care about the issue.

by who me on May 20, 2011 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, as I mentioned to Anthony Pace in the comments most politicians and their constituents don’t care about MMA one way or another, which is why I think it is a mistake for Zuffa to be at point letting the discussion be about them. There is such little interest in it that it’s an uphill battle just to get the assemblies attention long enough to get it passed, so why risk getting pro-union officials in a hugely pro-union state turning their attention to the labor policies of the owners? Rallying the few in the public who care to their side isn’t going to tip it, but union solidarity could easily derail it. Wouldn’t it be easier just to have Zuffa take themselves out of the picture and let it be a local matter. They could offer help behind the scenes, publicly throw support behind domestic groups like the The Coalition to Legalize MMA in NY and direct their fans to do the same without risking a thing.

by John Nash on May 20, 2011 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Edited to “founder”. And thanks for commenting.

Also, off subject, but do you have any recommendations where someone Icould study Sambo in Los Angeles?

by John Nash on May 20, 2011 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

In LA? Not much really. The closest would be Gokor’s place really.

by Stephen Koepfer on May 20, 2011 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

And I just read your last blog post which I missed before writing this (I actually cranked this out a week ago after Fight Opinion brought it up), and it is a much better summary of the situation. Shit, if I’d seen it before I would have just posted a link and called it quits. I recommend everyone check it out here.

by John Nash on May 20, 2011 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

No worries. I am glad actually that you did not see mine. Kind of an independent verification if you will.

There is also this new bit as of yesterday:

“Dana White Continues to Push Anti-Union Storyline on Forbes Sportsmoney”
http://uscombatsports.com/index.php?option=com_flexicontent&view=items&cid=191&id=8877&Itemid=27

Also, you can listen to Helwani push the Zuffa party line here:
http://righthookny.com/2011/05/19/519-ariel-helwani-and-mma-in-ny-on-the-right-hook/

by Stephen Koepfer on May 20, 2011 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

From Lampasona’s article (emphasis mine):

a source close to the New York branch of said union has claimed that many leading members within the Empire State are fans of the combat sport. Further, parent organization for the Local 226, Unite Here, has not put in any lobbying money effort against MMA since 2008.
The one criticism Unite Here has levied against the sport this year came in the form of a memo to the State Senate, where the bill to sanction MMA is expected to pass by a landslide, saying that the UFC exploits non-unionized fighters.
This is what I don’t get about Zuffa’s strategy: why bring up a conflict with the Unions and draw attention to their behavior in Nevada? Why risk getting pro-union persons, which New York is full of, riled up because they want to blame the unions? If they’re trying to get the sport sanctioned it makes no sense.

Now if they’re trying to use their troubles in NY as an opportunity to make an attack on a group that has been a pain in the ass to their to casino business, then it makes some sort of sense.

by John Nash on May 20, 2011 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

They’re possibly using MMA in NY as a platform to attack the unions because of what Station Casinos have been going through in the guise of not getting MMA regulated and legalised in New York. In which case they’re purposely generating a conflict of interest when Station Casinos and Zuffa should be kept completely separate as their limited liability status should suggest.

by KJ Gould on May 21, 2011 6:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

There is still something bugging me… This union story came up so fast and suddenly as a plan of attack (when there was some union resistance years ago, Zuffa denied it). We started hearing rumblings about it with cryptic comments, etc, back at the Jones vs Shogun press conference. Not in the presser officially, but “off the record” type comments. Then this real concentrated media blitz over a span of weeks. One thing is for sure, Zuffa does not do things without reason. But, whatever the reason, it is not helping us here in NY.

by Stephen Koepfer on May 21, 2011 10:39 AM EDT reply actions  

Interesting,

this has been a very informative thread.

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by ElliotMatheny on May 21, 2011 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I live in Manhattan, I’m a card-carrying union member (Carpenters Local 608), I’m a professional mixed martial artist, and yet I’m in no way qualified to comment on the issue.

Listen to that Koepfer guy.

by casey manrique on May 21, 2011 11:24 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

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