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Sonnen Suspension Upheld 4-1: Live Updates from Chael Sonnen's CSAC Hearing

Chael Sonnen at May 18 CSAC Hearing. Photo by Jabsngrabs.com via MMA Weekly.

UFC middleweight Chael Sonnen is appearing before the California State Athletic Commission today. They re-suspended him a few days ago based on contradictions between his sworn testimony at his previous CSAC hearing and the statements of others, notably Nevada State Athletic Commission official Keith Kizer. 

For a comprehensive update on the whole drama, I recommend Cage Side Seats

Quick summary is as follows: Sonnen was suspended by the CSAC for a failed drug test after UFC 117. At his appeals hearing he claimed that the Nevada Commission had cleared him for medical use of testosterone. The CSAC halved his suspension at that time. Reports quickly emerged that NSAC head Keith Kizer denied having approved anything. Then Sonnen pled guilty to a felony money laundering charge from his real estate business. Then the NSAC announced they would have to hold a hearing before licensing him. The UFC wanted Sonnen to coach The Ultimate Fighter and fight Michael Bisping in a #1 contender elmination match. That was apparently scotched after a meeting with Kizer. Then the CSAC announced they were re-suspending Sonnen and here we are.

Here we go with live tweets from Josh Gross of ESPN and MMA Junkie's Steven Marrocco after the jump.

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MMAjunkieSteven At Chael Sonnen's CSAC hearing...it's cramped. Only one commissioner has found the Executive Officer's conference room.
JoshGrossESPN NSAC executive director Keith Kizer to testify via streaming video. Sonnen and CSAC exec. officer George Dodd will also be witnesses.
MMAjunkieSteven Deputy DA Karen Chapelle making opening statement. Laying foundation of CSAC's suspension. Statements to Kizer on center stage...    

JoshGrossESPN First sniping between lawyers re: entry of evidence of Sonnen's statements in interviews. The state wins this one. The clips will be heard.
MMAjunkieSteven Objection overruled on introducing clip. Watching clip from Sonnen's Dec. Hearing
MMAjunkieSteven Sonnen interview with Inside MMA being played now.
JoshGrossESPN  Sonnen's attorney Steve Thompson says the felony conviction in Oregon should play no part in his licensing in California. Eloquent opening.    

MMAjunkieSteven  Thompson reveals Sonnen is under consideration to coach next season of tuf and fight bisping in no 1 contender bout.
JoshGrossESPN  Keith Kizer is being sworn in now.
JoshGrossESPN Fancy moving camera by remote control allows Kizer to see Sonnen's attorney Thompson. Money well spent, California.
JoshGrossESPN Kizer recalls a conversation with Matt Lindland in 2008 re: therapeutic use exemption. But Sonnen's name wasn't brought up specifically.
MMAjunkieSteven  Thompson now crossing Keith Kizer.
MMAjunkieSteven Kizer denies calling Sonnen a liar and fraud in March meeting re: seconds license for TUF. Chaplains objects to line of questioning.    

JoshGrossESPN Chapelle objects to Thompson's questions re: when & what Keith Kizer knew. Said issue is what Sonnen knew, not what Kizer or Lindland knew.

JoshGrossESPN Thompson is working hard to establish that Sonnen was informed by Matt Lindland that he was cleared in Nevada in 2008.    

JoshGrossESPN Kizer just name dropped me. Good times. He's being asked about denying conversations with Sonnen related to TRT, use exemptions.    

MMAjunkieSteven The dude sitting next to me, one Josh gross, makes appearance on the record in relation to exchange bn Dodd and Kizer at dec. hearing.
JoshGrossESPN And @arielhelwani gets a mention. It's a media party. @MMAjunkieSteven is jealous.    

JoshGrossESPN Sonnen is taking the oath, he's testifying now.

MMAjunkieSteven  Chael is testifying now. Chappelle asking him what he's done to rehabilitate himself.

JoshGrossESPN Too bad Matt Lindland is in Poland. His name is being brought up a lot.

MMAjunkieSteven Sonnen says he's comfortable with testimony in Dec. Hearing.

JoshGrossESPN Sonnen is very understated. He said he never intended to make it sound like he had a conversation with Keith Kizer.
JoshGrossESPN Sonnen said Lindland made it sound to him as if he was cleared for TRT in Nevada and California.
JoshGrossESPN Sonnen affirms he never spoke with Kizer, other commission director or a commissioner re: TRT or a use exemption.
JoshGrossESPN Sonnen stands by his testimony on Dec. 2.
MMAjunkieSteven Sonnen said he rec'd none of kickback money re: real estate fraud case.
JoshGrossESPN Sonnen said UFC would give him a job 18 days from now. "A once in a lifetime opportunity to be a coach on The Ultimate Fighter."
JoshGrossESPN The winner of the fight between coaches (Michael Bisping) would earn a title shot against the UFC middleweight champion.
MMAjunkieSteven Sonnen says he's handling licensing matters himself now in wake of suspension.
JoshGrossESPN "If I don't get my license today I'm effectively retired. That came from the boss, Dana White." -- Chael Sonnen
MMAjunkieSteven Chael: I don't want to retire today

MMAjunkieSteven Chael: I am just asking you to go back to work.
JoshGrossESPN "I worked for this chance my whole life. I don't want to retire today." Chael is welling up. He's talking about himself.
JoshGrossESPN Commissioner Anthony Thompson asks for details on the real estate plea. "We did not set out to break the law."
MMAjunkieSteven Sonnen answering questions about real estate case.

JoshGrossESPN Commissioner Christopher Giza gets to the "veracity" of Sonnen's comments.    JoshGrossESPN Dr. Giza has consistently been the best commissioner in California for years. He's going after Sonnen on inconsistent statements.    

MMAjunkieSteven Commissioner Christopher Giza says Sonnen has given contradictory statements that call into question his truthfulness and rehabilitation
MMAjunkieSteven Dr. Van Lemons asks Chael about his testosterone usage.
MMAjunkieSteven You couldnt imagine a Chael Sonnen more different now than the one we've grown to love (and hate)    

JoshGrossESPN Sonnen says he understands he need testosterone therapy for his "survival." Has testosterone of "93-year-old man."
JoshGrossESPN Dr. Van Lemons asks about Sonnen's TRT treatment, what he's taking and how he's taking it. Sonnen said he's monitored at least 2x a month.
MMAjunkieSteven  You couldnt imagine a Chael Sonnen more different now than the one we've grown to love (and hate)
MMAjunkieSteven Sonnen says he still takes testosterone, Lemons says he needs second opinion on its use    
JoshGrossESPN  Dean of the commission, John Frierson, is speaking now: "It's very hard for me to believe in your second chance."
JoshGrossESPN Tone of the commissioners suggests they will not rule favorably for Sonnen. But they've fooled me before. Testimony is wrapped.
JoshGrossESPN Actually, Sonnen's testimony is wrapped. Sonnen's lawyers are asking to examine George Dodd (CSAC exec. officer). And they're allowed.
MMAjunkieSteven We're back. Thompson asks to call George Dodd to testify on whether any athlete has previously been suspended for white collar crime    
MMAjunkieSteven Chappelle objects but Thompson gets to question Dodd, who says nobody under his watch has been suspended for white-collar crime.
MMAjunkieSteven  Evidence to be entered into record now being discussed.    
JoshGrossESPN  So far no question/mention re: what UFC officials knew about Sonnen's TRT therapy. UFC Dr. Davidson declared last Dec. he was told in 2009.    
JoshGrossESPN  Sonnen's camp is attempting to enter a declaration from Matt Lindland. Chappelle asks it to be stricken & Calif. won't allow it into record.    
MMAjunkieSteven Matt Lindland's declaration not entered in it's entirety into the record.
MMAjunkieSteven  Closing arguments begin. Chappelle        
JoshGrossESPN   Chappelle: Sonnen "always has someone else to blame."
MMAjunkieSteven  Chappelle says commissions should stick together. "I don't know how you can ever really trust him."    
JoshGrossESPN "I don't know how you can ever trust him," she says. Chappelle is weaving a picture of Sonnen as someone who does not tell the truth.
JoshGrossESPN  Thompson: Sonnen made mistakes but is a "fundamentally good person." Reiterates that Sonnen's testimony was based on what Lindland told him.        
MMAjunkieSteven  Thompson wishes in hindsight that they'd spent more time in previous hearing clarifying interactions with NSAC
JoshGrossESPN  Thompson said this shouldn't be "a game of gotcha" and asks commissioners to consider White's words that no license means Sonnen is done.        
JoshGrossESPN Thompson is talking up how much UFC supports Sonnen through their willingness to put him on TUF and a potential title fight.    
JoshGrossESPN  Commissioners will deliberate now.
MMAjunkieSteven  CSAC discussing options for what to do with Sonnen's current suspension.
JoshGrossESPN   Not sounding great for the Sonnen camp. We'll get a decision here soon.
MMAjunkieSteven  From what I'm hearing so far in deliberations, it's really not looking good for Sonnen
JoshGrossESPN Dr. Van Lemons gets back to testosterone use. Said he has serious issues of allowing its use in competition. Completely agree with that.    
MMAjunkieSteven  All commissioners agree that Sonnen's conviction and statements to commission do constitute discredit to MMA
MMAjunkieSteven Commissioner Hernandez issues motion to uphold indefinite suspension, and it's seconded quickly
JoshGrossESPN  Public comments are being made. A woman, Marika Taylor, speaks passionately on behalf of Sonnen. As does attorney Raffi Nahabedian.    
JoshGrossESPN  Sonnen's mother is speaking.    
JoshGrossESPN   She said she went to doctor w/ Chael and is convinced he needs testosterone whether he competes or not. Just to get out of bed in morning.
JoshGrossESPN Sonnen's mom (sorry, she didn't give her name): Did he really lie the last time he was here? 
MMAjunkieSteven  Commissioners vote 4-1 to uphold chaels suspension.    

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C'mon Chael, you can do it buddy

The world needs you

We need you.

Best of luck.

by Hashmo on May 18, 2011 1:31 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Sadly,

it seems like the only way to revive TUF’s ratings and get some exposure for the little guys. I’m actually pretty disappoint, and I am by no means a Sonnen fan. Bisping/ Mayhem should be a good replacement, though.

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by ElliotMatheny on May 18, 2011 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Agreed

When i saw that I thought it would be a silver lining to Chael getting of after the crap he pulled.

by Bombadilillo on May 18, 2011 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

DONE

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by DJ Pullout on May 18, 2011 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Suspended

WOW

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by DJ Pullout on May 18, 2011 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

If the needle doesn’t fit you must acquit!

If you can't wow them with brilliance, then baffle them with bullshit.

by DayGeaux on May 18, 2011 1:40 PM EDT reply actions  

JoshGrossESPN Josh Gross Kizer recalls a conversation with Matt Lindland in 2008 re: therapeutic use exemption. But Sonnen’s name wasn’t brought up specifically.

Well, well, well… look who’s changing his story now? I knew all along something was fishy from Kizer’s side…

Can we please be done with these BS kindergarden-level feuds and have Sonnen back in the Octogon as soon as possible? Please!!!

by Shnak on May 18, 2011 1:40 PM EDT reply actions  

I’ve heard that a few times, actually. Point remains that Sonnen did NOT talk to Kizer. Nor was an exemption given. There was a conversation, not an application. Sonnen lied, I’m not sure how that’s disputable so far.

by BKdroid on May 18, 2011 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pretty sure Sonnen said a few times that his manager had talked with Kizer about this stuff…

by Shnak on May 18, 2011 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

After Kizer said he had never talked to Sonnen. I don’t necessarily trust either of these guys. But I have 0 faith in Sonnen’s ability to differentiate between right/wrong. The guy just strikes me as needing a mixture of therapy and meds.

by BKdroid on May 18, 2011 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

If he comes back, will he still be doing the same stuff?

by Razzel on May 18, 2011 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

He’s a pathological liar and sociopath. Of course he’ll be doing the same thing. I haven’t heard him admit to doing anything wrong, yet. Other than maybe the guilty plee for fraud.

by BKdroid on May 18, 2011 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

When did Kizer plead guilty for fraud?

by David_ on May 18, 2011 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, the big question is not how they’re going to handle the suspension, it’s how they’re going to handle his “medical issue” in future fights.

by Razzel on May 18, 2011 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s a really good point. And one that I’ve yet to see officially mentioned. It seems like they didn’t believe that he even has it, but standard procedure is to cut down a suspension if it’s fought in the least bit.

by BKdroid on May 18, 2011 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

this whole thing has just been a mess. I don’t believe either side has been completely truthful

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by Noah'sArk on May 18, 2011 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Then one of them would have to admit to being wrong. As long as they’re never under oath in the same room, the have deniable plausibility (in their twisted minds)

by BKdroid on May 18, 2011 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

  • plausible deniability?

by BKdroid on May 18, 2011 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

“I wouldn’t know. I’d have to consult Matt, who’s not here right now”

"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."

by TheFilt on May 18, 2011 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Lindland was his manager back then. Kizer already admitted that he talked with Lindland back in ’09 about HRT treatment.

by David_ on May 18, 2011 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

right... Kizer talked to Lindland regarding HRT

just not in reference to Chael Sonnen…

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by The Lethal Haze on May 18, 2011 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thompson is working hard to establish that Sonnen was informed by Matt Lindland that he was cleared in Nevada in 2008

And Lindland is The Law, so The Law told Sonnen he was cleared.

OPEN AND SHUT. SONNEN REDEEMED.

by Rob Young on May 18, 2011 1:48 PM EDT reply actions  

YES

But not quite the same without the epic “Doctor”

by BKdroid on May 18, 2011 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

If Sonnen had admitted that he was using PEDs right away, would his suspension be over yet?

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by outlander78 on May 18, 2011 1:52 PM EDT reply actions  

It probably would still be the full suspension

but he wouldn’t be in the situation he is in now.

by verloc on May 18, 2011 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Chael is just a bad looking guy. He looks, like genitically off center or sick or something. Like the type of guy you’d meet in the Texas Chainsaw Masscre house, feeding people to pigs

by warren305 on May 18, 2011 1:55 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

I honestly think it's the testosterone

Saw the guy on MMA Live the other month and I swear you can actually see his face getting wider as you watch. Shouldn’t mess with your hormones unless you absolutely have to man…

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by Mattyjudo on May 18, 2011 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

So, either Sonnen gets his license back and coaches on the next TUF season against Bisping with a title shot awarded to the winner, or Dana retires him. Uhh what? Why would Dana force Sonnen to retire, and how would he even do that? That was a weird statement…

by Shnak on May 18, 2011 2:20 PM EDT reply actions  

I think he meant, Dana will cut him if he doesn't get his license

and Chael doesn’t want to go back to the smaller promotions so he will just retire

by Matt D on May 18, 2011 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’d be extremely surprised if Dana cuts Sonnen, arguably the 2nd best MW in the world, if he doesn’t get his license today… extremely surprised.

by Shnak on May 18, 2011 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

why would that be surprising

why would dana want to keep a fighter on his roster, even if he is the 2nd best MW in the world, if he can’t get licensed to fight. He would just be taking up a roster spot

by Matt D on May 18, 2011 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Because there is no limit to the UFC’s roster space and they don’t have to pay him while hes not fighting

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by Day Man on May 18, 2011 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

except for his insurance, which I assume is quite costly given his need for hormone replacement therapy since he has the testosterone levels of a 93 year old man.

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by keyboardwarrior on May 18, 2011 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

1) UFC insurance only covers accidents/injury, not things like TRT
2) In group policies, one person’s insurance isn’t more expensive than the others. It is all averaged out together.

by carpediem on May 18, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

why would dana want to keep a fighter on his roster, even if he is the 2nd best MW in the world, if he can’t get licensed to fight.

by Matt D on May 18, 2011 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Because there is no limit to the UFC’s roster space and they don’t have to pay him while hes not fighting

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by Bonedoctor on May 18, 2011 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

that makes absolutely no sense. Keep a guy on your roster that can’t fight.

Because there is no limit to the UFC’s roster space and they don’t have to pay him while hes not fighting

and if this was true, the UFC wouldn’t cut anyone. Clearly, there is a limit on their roster space.

by Matt D on May 18, 2011 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

there's a limit for active fighters

since they are contractually obligated to give them fights within a certain time frame. if they don’t want to give those fighters fights the only option is to cut them. sonnen’s case is different

by yngjzy on May 18, 2011 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ding

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by Day Man on May 18, 2011 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Totally doubt there is any intention of cutting him if he doesn’t get licensed today. Sonnen is just going for a heartfelt speech, portraying a situation where he just wants to go back to work. Making the dude unemployed doesn’t sound like a deserving punishment, especially in tougher economic climates, I suppose.

by babyoilbadboy on May 18, 2011 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed. I have a feeling he is lying to the commision again. Testosterone deffiecent or not cannot questions the guys balls.

by carpediem on May 18, 2011 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

He said Dana said it.

We’ll see if DW has any comment soon hopefully

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by GDPofBLC on May 18, 2011 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

If it helps Chael get licensed

then I don’t think Dana would mind getting name-dropped in this situation at all. It’s only a talented employee trying to come back to work and earn Dana some PPV moneys, by being dramatic in his hearing.

by babyoilbadboy on May 18, 2011 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lol

At the people acting like Chael is an exciting fighter, sells ppvs, or a star.

L…..O…….L…….

by warren305 on May 18, 2011 2:38 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

Sonnen says he understands he need testosterone for his “survival.” Has testosterone of “93 year-old man.”

by Rob Young on May 18, 2011 2:39 PM EDT reply actions  

he is not alone

look at Duffee’s frail physique

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by keyboardwarrior on May 18, 2011 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

poor Duffee

I think I saw him on a charity telethon as the poster child for testosterone deficiency.

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by Nate Wilcox on May 18, 2011 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can you imagine the hell he went through?

The shame and embarrassment?

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by TheFilt on May 18, 2011 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Perfect example of why roids alone don't make you a good fighter

People say Overeem cheated as if getting that big, string and skilled is just a T injection away.

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by TheFilt on May 18, 2011 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

aaaaaand testimony is done.

awaiting decision.

by Rob Young on May 18, 2011 2:40 PM EDT reply actions  

IMO

He should get a probationary license with the stipulation that there be a second opinion given on the TRT treatments. By a REAL doctor this time.

by BKdroid on May 18, 2011 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Man...they are trying so hard to get Bisping a title shot...

At least they’re considering him fighting Sonnen. I figured they let him beat 3 or 4 mid level guys and say he earned it.

Although part of me would LOVE to see Bisping vs. Anderson. But just because i hate bisping.

I’d think Anderson would be in the -800 range for that fight.

by xfreekx on May 18, 2011 2:43 PM EDT reply actions  

Thompson asks to call George Dodd to testify on whether any athlete has previously been suspended for white collar crime

As much as I dislike Sonnen. These guys are the athletic commision, not a court of law. Stay within your boundaries. The fraud case should have nothing to do with this suspension IMO.

by BKdroid on May 18, 2011 2:48 PM EDT reply actions  

Rampage went on a literal Rampage

and absolutely no repercussions in his professional career

by Hashmo on May 18, 2011 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

true

but he’s also not guilty of a federal crime.

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by Cory Braiterman on May 18, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

So?

Is this a federal court?

by BKdroid on May 18, 2011 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

ofc not

I actually agree with you, merely pointing out the differences to Hasmo from what Jackson did and what Sonnen did.

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by Cory Braiterman on May 18, 2011 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

The answer is NO

He was already handed a sentence by the court system. this hearing is (should be) about issues that directly concern his athletic profession

by BKdroid on May 18, 2011 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry, didn’t see your reply before I dropped this one.

by BKdroid on May 18, 2011 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes and no

Fraud has plenty to do with it when it involves a pathological liar.

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by TheFilt on May 18, 2011 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

IF anyone is wondering what LIndland is doing in Poland

He’s being violently assaulted by Mamed Khalidov on Saturday.

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by MattParker117 on May 18, 2011 2:54 PM EDT reply actions  

Can not disagree with this.

by BKdroid on May 18, 2011 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

You only believe he lied and told half truths because Keith Kizer said so. But there is no way on Gods green Earth Kizer could lie. Of course he remembers every single conversation verbatim he has ever had in his life. THATS RIDICULOUS.

by SprucesWild on May 18, 2011 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

uh

if you think the only half-truth, lie and prevarication was the Kizer incident, then you’re dumber than Chael.

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by Cory Braiterman on May 18, 2011 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Please enlighten me with all the lies that he said under oath???

by SprucesWild on May 18, 2011 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

He said he spoke to Kizer and got approval from him to use HRT in Nevada. That turned out not to be true.

by carpediem on May 18, 2011 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

for fucks sake

really? after all these months and all the recaps out there? you still don’t know what was said and done?

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by Cory Braiterman on May 18, 2011 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

maybe

it’s the fact that sonnen is a known liar already? you know, the part where he lies about things constantly? maybe that’s what’s tipping the scales against him here?

by yngjzy on May 18, 2011 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

The difference between your Kizer and Chael example

Is that there is paperwork signed when Kizer gives exemptions, otherwise everyone could get popped and say, “Oh, the AC said it was cool though.”

That’s the big difference in this he said vs. he said.

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by Dallas Winston on May 18, 2011 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Has he ever applied for an exemption for TRT to fight in Nevada?? If not there would be no paperwork to speak of. Seems from all I read that it was just a conversation about the use of it.

by SprucesWild on May 18, 2011 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

The point is

If he ever applied anywhere, as he should have if he expected exemption, there would be some type of paperwork trail.

The fact that neither he or any of the ACs can produce any paperwork reflects poorly on Chael saying he was exempt.

It’s not like special exemptions for something like this are handled with a smile and a handshake.

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by Dallas Winston on May 18, 2011 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

sure thing gramps

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by SentientAndroid on May 18, 2011 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Am I the only one sad

that

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isn’t Dave Chappelle? God that’d be awesome.

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by Cory Braiterman on May 18, 2011 2:57 PM EDT reply actions  

I was just thinking the same thing. After the RKelly/MJ/OJ bit he did I’m sure Dave would be a better substitution.

by vile(nt)green on May 18, 2011 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

interview with Inside MMA?

What’s the deal with the interview he did with Inside MMA? Did he say anything in that interview that contradicted what he said at a hearing?

by Shnak on May 18, 2011 3:00 PM EDT reply actions  

That might be that Spanish impersonator, not Sonnen.

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by GDPofBLC on May 18, 2011 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think

If this goes good for Sonnen, White says he did threaten to retire Sonnen but is glad he can put him on the boob tube now.
If it goes bad, White denies making that claim and doesn’t retire him.

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by GDPofBLC on May 18, 2011 3:06 PM EDT reply actions  

What?

Are you suggesting that Chael Sonnen lied?

by Konartist on May 18, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

The retirement thing seems ridiculous to bring up, I fail to see why it should have any relevance on the case.

by Superstitiousmma on May 18, 2011 3:20 PM EDT reply actions  

Compassionate Reasoning

This is like a kid who got kicked out of school on academic probation

There is always grounds for compassionate appeal

by Hashmo on May 18, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Looks like Chael is retired.

Just gonna have to fall back on that real estate business I guess. He actual has better chances of being a politician.

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by GDPofBLC on May 18, 2011 3:25 PM EDT reply actions  

Oh snap
JoshGrossESPN – Options regarding Sonnen’s possible suspension are discussed. Commissioner Gene Hernandez makes a motion to uphold indefinite suspension.

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by Tonley on May 18, 2011 3:25 PM EDT reply actions  

ARRAHRHR Y NO VIDEO!!!!!

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by GDPofBLC on May 18, 2011 3:26 PM EDT reply actions  

We all know Sonnen lied.

I think he would do better to just say, “sorry I lied. I made some poor decisions. But fighting is my life. Please give me another chance and I won’t do this again.”

But that’s probably difficult for a guy like him. This is why I keep my lies simple. Easier to keep track of :)

by pud333 on May 18, 2011 3:26 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

I agree

I don’t think he is big enough to be accountable in such a way though.

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by GDPofBLC on May 18, 2011 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh god its BJ Penn all over again
Sonnen’s mother is speaking.

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by MattParker117 on May 18, 2011 3:29 PM EDT reply actions  

And now Sonnen's mom is speaking....

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by Tonley on May 18, 2011 3:29 PM EDT reply actions  

Mrs Sonnen
She said she went to doctor w/ Chael and is convinced he needs testosterone whether he competes or not. Just to get out of bed in morning.
Sonnen’s mom (sorry, she didn’t give her name): Did he really lie the last time he was here?

thanks Josh

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by MattParker117 on May 18, 2011 3:32 PM EDT reply actions  

Sonnens mother speaking????
Who’s next Bjs mom

by itsnotthatserious on May 18, 2011 3:34 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

and neither do mma judges

by mikeI981j on May 18, 2011 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Little easier to analyze and less subjective than a fight

don’t ya think?

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by Dallas Winston on May 18, 2011 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not only that they're not even close to being the same job

If you need the sarcasm font to pick up on sarcasm I’ll do that to help you out lol.

by mikeI981j on May 18, 2011 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

wait

i thought you hated decision prone wrestlers…

by T.P. Grant on May 18, 2011 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh well.

I’m still tripping on the people forgetting that this cat talks better than he fights, and even that’s debatable.

by Rahson on May 18, 2011 3:36 PM EDT reply actions  

He beat Nate and Okami back to back and gave Anderson his only competitive fight in the UFC – the guy is a legit middleweight contender

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by Day Man on May 18, 2011 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m well aware of what he’s done. He also got caught lying and cheating. Being a legit contender doesn’t mean you get to circumvent the rules. And on that note, he’s more notorious for his mouth than his skills.

by Rahson on May 18, 2011 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Im not talking about the rules – you made it seem like he wasn’t that good of a fighter with your “talks better than he fights” line

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by Day Man on May 18, 2011 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, of course he’s a good fighter. But some people are acting like we are losing an all-time great when in all honesty, they just want to hear him jaw. While he did give Silva his best fight yet, he lost the same way he always does. I never meant to imply he wasn’t good. He’s very good. He just has severe limitations that will keep from being great. People seemed to have forgotten that because of mountains of trash talking.

by Rahson on May 18, 2011 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Damn

Loses his real estate license, then he turns around and loses his fighter’s license too. Homeboy fucked UP.

by Tedd Welch on May 18, 2011 3:37 PM EDT reply actions  

Unless you are actually voted into political office.

by BKdroid on May 18, 2011 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well. In that bizarro world where he was. He never would’ve fought Silva, which means he never would’ve popped, never been suspended, etc, etc.

by BKdroid on May 18, 2011 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes

That’s kinda what I was alluding to with the bizarro part. The point is, it wouldn’t have been as big of a deal to the MMA world in that scenario

by BKdroid on May 18, 2011 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is going to be a Teachable Moment for a lot of up-and-coming MMA fighters

by Tedd Welch on May 18, 2011 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

All starts with the man in the mirror...

Won’t work until he changes his ways.
No message could have been clearer…

by 0U on May 18, 2011 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Seriously

They’ve dodged a few big bullets like this recently. Including Carwin’s connection to a Steroid shipment

by BKdroid on May 18, 2011 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's true...

But he still would’ve beaten Anderson which would be huge.

by xfreekx on May 18, 2011 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

No he wouldn't

That’s why it would be a NC.

by Konartist on May 18, 2011 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

It would have robbed Andy of some of his luster, though, no doubt

by Tedd Welch on May 18, 2011 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

C'mon man...it takes a while to overturn the decision...

For at least a month or two he’d have been champ.

And sure it’s a NC but everybody knows who wins. Does anybody really consider Gomi/Diaz a NC?

by xfreekx on May 18, 2011 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

That would be your opinion there. The weed was considered a performance enhancer and it was argued that Nick felt less pain amongst other things during the match. You can’t pick and choose when it comes down to it.

by Empty Thoughts on May 18, 2011 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

ya kinda can.

That’s why tylenole isn’t on the banned list, because the substances are picked and chosen to be on the banned list.

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by the-gentle-way on May 18, 2011 4:22 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

A NC ruling doesn’t change the fact on how fans view things. It also wouldn’t change the allure that would’ve been lost if Chael had won.

by Empty Thoughts on May 18, 2011 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Somehow I think that if this were the UFC champion that his indefinite suspension would find a way to get overturned.

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by Day Man on May 18, 2011 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

ROFL.

Well played.

I hate Chael but don’t like this news.

Fighter, lover and all around awesome.

by Sebastiaan Tauran on May 18, 2011 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was thinking that Lorenzo would work some of his contacts from his days at the NSAC

and try to get his pals at the NSAC to talk to the people at CSAC and convince them to cancel his suspension.

by Konartist on May 18, 2011 3:42 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah

It was stupid enough of Chael to take testosterone and then caught taking them. But he went one up and hen called the NSAC chief a liar.

I just don’t see how he didn’t have this coming.

Karma is a motherfuckin bitch.

by Konartist on May 18, 2011 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

The thing with Chael is:

He talked himself into a unwinnable situation.
To quote an old wrasslin’ reference:

CHAEL SCREWED CHAEL

by Maclovio Williams on May 18, 2011 3:44 PM EDT reply actions  

Is there a live stream this time?

Does anybody know if he brought his “Doctor”? Because that dude was awesome.

by av1o3 on May 18, 2011 3:45 PM EDT reply actions  

I hate this decision.

Like him or not, Chael is one of the best MWs in the world and not getting to see him fight is a shame.

by Empty Thoughts on May 18, 2011 3:46 PM EDT reply actions  

Personally, I cared. I’ve been a fan of Chael since I first saw him in the WEC. I’ve been even more of a fan with the new improved Chael of the past couple years.

As a fight fan, you don’t care that arguably the #2 MW in the world is being forced to sit on the bench instead of putting on interesting fights?

by Empty Thoughts on May 18, 2011 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

So good fighters

should have no reprecusions for their actions?

by Bombadilillo on May 18, 2011 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Not sure where I said that. He though has had repercusions for his actions and continues to have them. The commission lessoned his suspension after he made many valid arguments and then once he is eligible to fight again, they restore the suspension and increase it to a indifinite period. Due to the questions of a outside commision…

It’s a case of the commisions abusing their power in a way that our court systems can’t for that very reason.

by Empty Thoughts on May 18, 2011 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

It was extended because they found out that those “many valid arguments” were lies

by BKdroid on May 18, 2011 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Seriously

What were his valid arguments? I never finished puberty and here’s this pothead doctor who isn’t even an MD that can back me up?

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by Neil Manich on May 18, 2011 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lol YES

He lied to them and they lowered his suspension. Found out it was a lie and put it back. Man so unfair to Chael…

by Bombadilillo on May 18, 2011 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

How about this, point out what arguments were proven invalid because obviously the CSAC thought they were plenty valid back when they halved his suspension.

As far as I can tell the only real questions the CSAC had for Sonnen were involving his conversation or lack of one with Keith Kizer. Something which could easily be argued as having been a miscommunication, a he said she said situation, or Chael outright lying. Especially when Chael has multiple people willing to testify that conversations of this nature did happen to some extent.

Saying that, I personally think Chael lied about having talked to Kizer. That doesn’t mean though that their being unable to prove whether he did or didn’t should end up with his 1 year turned to 1/2 a year suspension should be turned in a indifinite one. The commissions abuse their power and have for way to long in a way that our court systems can’t.

by Empty Thoughts on May 18, 2011 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

How do you not get this

Supsension 1/2ed because Chael said he talked to Kizer

He didn’t and this was revealed to be a lie

They suspend him again.

by Bombadilillo on May 18, 2011 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

It was halved because he stated he talked to Kizer who said that he didn’t. Sonnen then claimed that he spoke poorly and used the term “I” when he should have stated that his management team had. Kizer then admits to having had said conversations with Chael’s management but continues to state that it wasn’t about Sonnen in specific.

It comes down to whether or not you think Chael purposefully lied to the commission or simply chose his words poorly. I believe that he lied, but I also believe that there is more than enough evidence to prove otherwise or at the very least leave the question asked. What is lacking here is the evidence that he intentially lied or misled yet he is still being punished for having done so.

Now, how are you not getting it?

by Empty Thoughts on May 18, 2011 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is ridiculous

You don’t “accidentally” say, “I spoke to Kizer and got the OK”. That’s just a totally unreasonable claim.

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by Chris Barton on May 18, 2011 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ve heard people make similar mistakes before, so I’m not sure how ridiculous it really is.

As I said though, I personally think he lied. I have no proof one way or the other though and neither does the CSAC or the NSAC outside of Kizer’s sworn testimony being weighed more heavily than Chael’s.

by Empty Thoughts on May 18, 2011 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly

He’s lucky they didn’t go after him for perjury.

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by Chris Barton on May 18, 2011 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t mind one bit, he was a liar and a cheater, and a douche who ran his mouth for no reason. I’ve never considered him close to number 2 either.

All of his crazyness wasn’t in the least bit entertaining for me, neither was his style inside the cage.

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by ReAnimator on May 18, 2011 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s not a matter of how good he is. If he screwed up, he screwed up. All he’s done is lie. Rules are rules. And really, the only reason Dana hasn’t cut him already it because people like hearing him talk. Me upset with him for lying.

by Rahson on May 18, 2011 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry about all the typos.

by Rahson on May 18, 2011 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know why people are mad at his conviction being a factor

The commision is trying to assess weither he lied or “misspoke”. How does him being convicted of a felony around the same time not shed light on his character, or lack thereof.

by Bombadilillo on May 18, 2011 3:52 PM EDT reply actions  

Does talking shit about Chael

still count as fighter bashing now?

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by Chris Barton on May 18, 2011 3:53 PM EDT reply actions  

I think Chael has been an exemption to that rule for a while lol

by BKdroid on May 18, 2011 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

hahaha

touche

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by Chris Barton on May 18, 2011 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good riddance.

I hate people who think they’re invincible.

by robotplague on May 18, 2011 3:55 PM EDT reply actions  

You reap what you sow.

All I have to say.

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by RJshock 305 on May 18, 2011 4:00 PM EDT reply actions  

http://twitter.com/#!/JoshGrossESPN

Indefinite means suspended until his license in California expires June 29. Sonnen goes on MMA commission watch list. Can apply elsewhere.

by Piru P on May 18, 2011 4:13 PM EDT reply actions  

You've been Triangled Son!

I hate to see people lose their career, but I hate Chael Sonnen more.

by b_radical on May 18, 2011 4:19 PM EDT reply actions  

In a weird way, I feel bad for the guy

I mean, he’s been a borderline bigot in interviews and statements and near-sociopathic in his willingness to lie to anyone at any time…

But he’s also by far THE Anderson Silva nemesis at 185. And as a fan I feel the poorer for not seeing that story through, even though I logically understand and support this ruling.

by LBo on May 18, 2011 4:21 PM EDT reply actions  

ah man, and a rec for you my good sir.

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by SentientAndroid on May 18, 2011 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree, he should be subjected to criminal perjury charges.

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