Sonnen Suspension Upheld 4-1: Live Updates from Chael Sonnen's CSAC Hearing
UFC middleweight Chael Sonnen is appearing before the California State Athletic Commission today. They re-suspended him a few days ago based on contradictions between his sworn testimony at his previous CSAC hearing and the statements of others, notably Nevada State Athletic Commission official Keith Kizer.
For a comprehensive update on the whole drama, I recommend Cage Side Seats.
Quick summary is as follows: Sonnen was suspended by the CSAC for a failed drug test after UFC 117. At his appeals hearing he claimed that the Nevada Commission had cleared him for medical use of testosterone. The CSAC halved his suspension at that time. Reports quickly emerged that NSAC head Keith Kizer denied having approved anything. Then Sonnen pled guilty to a felony money laundering charge from his real estate business. Then the NSAC announced they would have to hold a hearing before licensing him. The UFC wanted Sonnen to coach The Ultimate Fighter and fight Michael Bisping in a #1 contender elmination match. That was apparently scotched after a meeting with Kizer. Then the CSAC announced they were re-suspending Sonnen and here we are.
Here we go with live tweets from Josh Gross of ESPN and MMA Junkie's Steven Marrocco after the jump.
MMAjunkieSteven At Chael Sonnen's CSAC hearing...it's cramped. Only one commissioner has found the Executive Officer's conference room.
JoshGrossESPN NSAC executive director Keith Kizer to testify via streaming video. Sonnen and CSAC exec. officer George Dodd will also be witnesses.
MMAjunkieSteven Deputy DA Karen Chapelle making opening statement. Laying foundation of CSAC's suspension. Statements to Kizer on center stage...JoshGrossESPN First sniping between lawyers re: entry of evidence of Sonnen's statements in interviews. The state wins this one. The clips will be heard.
MMAjunkieSteven Objection overruled on introducing clip. Watching clip from Sonnen's Dec. Hearing
MMAjunkieSteven Sonnen interview with Inside MMA being played now.
JoshGrossESPN Sonnen's attorney Steve Thompson says the felony conviction in Oregon should play no part in his licensing in California. Eloquent opening.MMAjunkieSteven Thompson reveals Sonnen is under consideration to coach next season of tuf and fight bisping in no 1 contender bout.
JoshGrossESPN Keith Kizer is being sworn in now.
JoshGrossESPN Fancy moving camera by remote control allows Kizer to see Sonnen's attorney Thompson. Money well spent, California.
JoshGrossESPN Kizer recalls a conversation with Matt Lindland in 2008 re: therapeutic use exemption. But Sonnen's name wasn't brought up specifically.
MMAjunkieSteven Thompson now crossing Keith Kizer.
MMAjunkieSteven Kizer denies calling Sonnen a liar and fraud in March meeting re: seconds license for TUF. Chaplains objects to line of questioning.JoshGrossESPN Chapelle objects to Thompson's questions re: when & what Keith Kizer knew. Said issue is what Sonnen knew, not what Kizer or Lindland knew.
JoshGrossESPN Thompson is working hard to establish that Sonnen was informed by Matt Lindland that he was cleared in Nevada in 2008.
JoshGrossESPN Kizer just name dropped me. Good times. He's being asked about denying conversations with Sonnen related to TRT, use exemptions.
MMAjunkieSteven The dude sitting next to me, one Josh gross, makes appearance on the record in relation to exchange bn Dodd and Kizer at dec. hearing.
JoshGrossESPN And @arielhelwani gets a mention. It's a media party. @MMAjunkieSteven is jealous.JoshGrossESPN Sonnen is taking the oath, he's testifying now.
MMAjunkieSteven Chael is testifying now. Chappelle asking him what he's done to rehabilitate himself.
JoshGrossESPN Too bad Matt Lindland is in Poland. His name is being brought up a lot.
MMAjunkieSteven Sonnen says he's comfortable with testimony in Dec. Hearing.
JoshGrossESPN Sonnen is very understated. He said he never intended to make it sound like he had a conversation with Keith Kizer.
JoshGrossESPN Sonnen said Lindland made it sound to him as if he was cleared for TRT in Nevada and California.
JoshGrossESPN Sonnen affirms he never spoke with Kizer, other commission director or a commissioner re: TRT or a use exemption.
JoshGrossESPN Sonnen stands by his testimony on Dec. 2.
MMAjunkieSteven Sonnen said he rec'd none of kickback money re: real estate fraud case.
JoshGrossESPN Sonnen said UFC would give him a job 18 days from now. "A once in a lifetime opportunity to be a coach on The Ultimate Fighter."
JoshGrossESPN The winner of the fight between coaches (Michael Bisping) would earn a title shot against the UFC middleweight champion.
MMAjunkieSteven Sonnen says he's handling licensing matters himself now in wake of suspension.
JoshGrossESPN "If I don't get my license today I'm effectively retired. That came from the boss, Dana White." -- Chael Sonnen
MMAjunkieSteven Chael: I don't want to retire todayMMAjunkieSteven Chael: I am just asking you to go back to work.
JoshGrossESPN "I worked for this chance my whole life. I don't want to retire today." Chael is welling up. He's talking about himself.
JoshGrossESPN Commissioner Anthony Thompson asks for details on the real estate plea. "We did not set out to break the law."
MMAjunkieSteven Sonnen answering questions about real estate case.JoshGrossESPN Commissioner Christopher Giza gets to the "veracity" of Sonnen's comments. JoshGrossESPN Dr. Giza has consistently been the best commissioner in California for years. He's going after Sonnen on inconsistent statements.
MMAjunkieSteven Commissioner Christopher Giza says Sonnen has given contradictory statements that call into question his truthfulness and rehabilitation
MMAjunkieSteven Dr. Van Lemons asks Chael about his testosterone usage.
MMAjunkieSteven You couldnt imagine a Chael Sonnen more different now than the one we've grown to love (and hate)JoshGrossESPN Sonnen says he understands he need testosterone therapy for his "survival." Has testosterone of "93-year-old man."
JoshGrossESPN Dr. Van Lemons asks about Sonnen's TRT treatment, what he's taking and how he's taking it. Sonnen said he's monitored at least 2x a month.
MMAjunkieSteven You couldnt imagine a Chael Sonnen more different now than the one we've grown to love (and hate)
MMAjunkieSteven Sonnen says he still takes testosterone, Lemons says he needs second opinion on its use
JoshGrossESPN Dean of the commission, John Frierson, is speaking now: "It's very hard for me to believe in your second chance."
JoshGrossESPN Tone of the commissioners suggests they will not rule favorably for Sonnen. But they've fooled me before. Testimony is wrapped.
JoshGrossESPN Actually, Sonnen's testimony is wrapped. Sonnen's lawyers are asking to examine George Dodd (CSAC exec. officer). And they're allowed.
MMAjunkieSteven We're back. Thompson asks to call George Dodd to testify on whether any athlete has previously been suspended for white collar crime
MMAjunkieSteven Chappelle objects but Thompson gets to question Dodd, who says nobody under his watch has been suspended for white-collar crime.
MMAjunkieSteven Evidence to be entered into record now being discussed.
JoshGrossESPN So far no question/mention re: what UFC officials knew about Sonnen's TRT therapy. UFC Dr. Davidson declared last Dec. he was told in 2009.
JoshGrossESPN Sonnen's camp is attempting to enter a declaration from Matt Lindland. Chappelle asks it to be stricken & Calif. won't allow it into record.
MMAjunkieSteven Matt Lindland's declaration not entered in it's entirety into the record.
MMAjunkieSteven Closing arguments begin. Chappelle
JoshGrossESPN Chappelle: Sonnen "always has someone else to blame."
MMAjunkieSteven Chappelle says commissions should stick together. "I don't know how you can ever really trust him."
JoshGrossESPN "I don't know how you can ever trust him," she says. Chappelle is weaving a picture of Sonnen as someone who does not tell the truth.
JoshGrossESPN Thompson: Sonnen made mistakes but is a "fundamentally good person." Reiterates that Sonnen's testimony was based on what Lindland told him.
MMAjunkieSteven Thompson wishes in hindsight that they'd spent more time in previous hearing clarifying interactions with NSAC
JoshGrossESPN Thompson said this shouldn't be "a game of gotcha" and asks commissioners to consider White's words that no license means Sonnen is done.
JoshGrossESPN Thompson is talking up how much UFC supports Sonnen through their willingness to put him on TUF and a potential title fight.
JoshGrossESPN Commissioners will deliberate now.
MMAjunkieSteven CSAC discussing options for what to do with Sonnen's current suspension.
JoshGrossESPN Not sounding great for the Sonnen camp. We'll get a decision here soon.
MMAjunkieSteven From what I'm hearing so far in deliberations, it's really not looking good for Sonnen
JoshGrossESPN Dr. Van Lemons gets back to testosterone use. Said he has serious issues of allowing its use in competition. Completely agree with that.
MMAjunkieSteven All commissioners agree that Sonnen's conviction and statements to commission do constitute discredit to MMA
MMAjunkieSteven Commissioner Hernandez issues motion to uphold indefinite suspension, and it's seconded quickly
JoshGrossESPN Public comments are being made. A woman, Marika Taylor, speaks passionately on behalf of Sonnen. As does attorney Raffi Nahabedian.
JoshGrossESPN Sonnen's mother is speaking.
JoshGrossESPN She said she went to doctor w/ Chael and is convinced he needs testosterone whether he competes or not. Just to get out of bed in morning.
JoshGrossESPN Sonnen's mom (sorry, she didn't give her name): Did he really lie the last time he was here?
MMAjunkieSteven Commissioners vote 4-1 to uphold chaels suspension.
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C'mon Chael, you can do it buddy
The world needs you
We need you.
Best of luck.
by Hashmo on May 18, 2011 1:31 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
hmm
The world needs a mouthy, one dimensional wrestler with no sub defense and a higher decision ratio then Jon Fitch?
We must be in worse shape then I thought.
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by ShaiZ on May 18, 2011 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
Sadly,
it seems like the only way to revive TUF’s ratings and get some exposure for the little guys. I’m actually pretty disappoint, and I am by no means a Sonnen fan. Bisping/ Mayhem should be a good replacement, though.
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by ElliotMatheny on May 18, 2011 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed
When i saw that I thought it would be a silver lining to Chael getting of after the crap he pulled.
by Bombadilillo on May 18, 2011 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Sign that kid up for dance classes.
Got some serious torso rhythm.
She was bumping to Kid Cudi something HARDCORE
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JoshGrossESPN Josh Gross Kizer recalls a conversation with Matt Lindland in 2008 re: therapeutic use exemption. But Sonnen’s name wasn’t brought up specifically.
Well, well, well… look who’s changing his story now? I knew all along something was fishy from Kizer’s side…
Can we please be done with these BS kindergarden-level feuds and have Sonnen back in the Octogon as soon as possible? Please!!!
I’ve heard that a few times, actually. Point remains that Sonnen did NOT talk to Kizer. Nor was an exemption given. There was a conversation, not an application. Sonnen lied, I’m not sure how that’s disputable so far.
He’s a pathological liar and sociopath. Of course he’ll be doing the same thing. I haven’t heard him admit to doing anything wrong, yet. Other than maybe the guilty plee for fraud.
Yeah, the big question is not how they’re going to handle the suspension, it’s how they’re going to handle his “medical issue” in future fights.
JoshGrossESPN Josh Gross Thompson is working hard to establish that Sonnen was informed by Matt Lindland that he was cleared in Nevada in 2008.
? lol
If Matt said it must be okay, he is the LAW
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by GDPofBLC on May 18, 2011 1:47 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
I think Lindland was his manager back then. Kizer already admitted that he talked with Lindland back in ’09 about HRT treatment.
right... Kizer talked to Lindland regarding HRT
just not in reference to Chael Sonnen…
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by The Lethal Haze on May 18, 2011 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I wish they would of streamed this live again
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I wish they would *have* as well.
Much more lulz potential with this hearing.
If Sonnen had admitted that he was using PEDs right away, would his suspension be over yet?
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It probably would still be the full suspension
but he wouldn’t be in the situation he is in now.
Chael is just a bad looking guy. He looks, like genitically off center or sick or something. Like the type of guy you’d meet in the Texas Chainsaw Masscre house, feeding people to pigs
by warren305 on May 18, 2011 1:55 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I honestly think it's the testosterone
Saw the guy on MMA Live the other month and I swear you can actually see his face getting wider as you watch. Shouldn’t mess with your hormones unless you absolutely have to man…
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So, either Sonnen gets his license back and coaches on the next TUF season against Bisping with a title shot awarded to the winner, or Dana retires him. Uhh what? Why would Dana force Sonnen to retire, and how would he even do that? That was a weird statement…
I think he meant, Dana will cut him if he doesn't get his license
and Chael doesn’t want to go back to the smaller promotions so he will just retire
I’d be extremely surprised if Dana cuts Sonnen, arguably the 2nd best MW in the world, if he doesn’t get his license today… extremely surprised.
why would that be surprising
why would dana want to keep a fighter on his roster, even if he is the 2nd best MW in the world, if he can’t get licensed to fight. He would just be taking up a roster spot
Because there is no limit to the UFC’s roster space and they don’t have to pay him while hes not fighting
"You should work for 15 minutes to knock your opponent out, submit him, or improve your position to give yourself the best chance of doing either." - Dan Hardy
except for his insurance, which I assume is quite costly given his need for hormone replacement therapy since he has the testosterone levels of a 93 year old man.
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by keyboardwarrior on May 18, 2011 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
why would dana want to keep a fighter on his roster, even if he is the 2nd best MW in the world, if he can’t get licensed to fight.
Because there is no limit to the UFC’s roster space and they don’t have to pay him while hes not fighting
"Live fast, die." ~ GG Allin
that makes absolutely no sense. Keep a guy on your roster that can’t fight.
Because there is no limit to the UFC’s roster space and they don’t have to pay him while hes not fighting
and if this was true, the UFC wouldn’t cut anyone. Clearly, there is a limit on their roster space.
there's a limit for active fighters
since they are contractually obligated to give them fights within a certain time frame. if they don’t want to give those fighters fights the only option is to cut them. sonnen’s case is different
Totally doubt there is any intention of cutting him if he doesn’t get licensed today. Sonnen is just going for a heartfelt speech, portraying a situation where he just wants to go back to work. Making the dude unemployed doesn’t sound like a deserving punishment, especially in tougher economic climates, I suppose.
by babyoilbadboy on May 18, 2011 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed. I have a feeling he is lying to the commision again. Testosterone deffiecent or not cannot questions the guys balls.
by carpediem on May 18, 2011 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
He said Dana said it.
We’ll see if DW has any comment soon hopefully
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If it helps Chael get licensed
then I don’t think Dana would mind getting name-dropped in this situation at all. It’s only a talented employee trying to come back to work and earn Dana some PPV moneys, by being dramatic in his hearing.
by babyoilbadboy on May 18, 2011 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Chael just went all in right there.
That’s pretty bold.
Anticipations killing me
by itsnotthatserious on May 18, 2011 2:28 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
come on sonnen we need you back in the octagon
by sandvilage on May 18, 2011 2:33 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Lol
At the people acting like Chael is an exciting fighter, sells ppvs, or a star.
L…..O…….L…….
by warren305 on May 18, 2011 2:38 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Sonnen says he understands he need testosterone for his “survival.” Has testosterone of “93 year-old man.”
he is not alone
look at Duffee’s frail physique
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by keyboardwarrior on May 18, 2011 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
poor Duffee
I think I saw him on a charity telethon as the poster child for testosterone deficiency.
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Can you imagine the hell he went through?
The shame and embarrassment?
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Perfect example of why roids alone don't make you a good fighter
People say Overeem cheated as if getting that big, string and skilled is just a T injection away.
"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."
Man...they are trying so hard to get Bisping a title shot...
At least they’re considering him fighting Sonnen. I figured they let him beat 3 or 4 mid level guys and say he earned it.
Although part of me would LOVE to see Bisping vs. Anderson. But just because i hate bisping.
I’d think Anderson would be in the -800 range for that fight.
Thompson asks to call George Dodd to testify on whether any athlete has previously been suspended for white collar crime
As much as I dislike Sonnen. These guys are the athletic commision, not a court of law. Stay within your boundaries. The fraud case should have nothing to do with this suspension IMO.
true
but he’s also not guilty of a federal crime.
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by Cory Braiterman on May 18, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
ofc not
I actually agree with you, merely pointing out the differences to Hasmo from what Jackson did and what Sonnen did.
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by Cory Braiterman on May 18, 2011 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Did Rampage lie to two athletic commissions about his Rampage?
by who me on May 18, 2011 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Yes and no
Fraud has plenty to do with it when it involves a pathological liar.
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by Cory Braiterman on May 18, 2011 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions 15 recs
IF anyone is wondering what LIndland is doing in Poland
He’s being violently assaulted by Mamed Khalidov on Saturday.
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Just wanna say
let this be a lesson to the younger folks in the crowd on how shit goes down in the real world when you lie to people who have the power to make your life miserable. Is it fair or right? Not really, no, but it still happens. It pays to mind your Ps and Qs, especially when you’re under oath and there’s video documentation about the half-truths, white lies and outright fibs you’ve said.
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by Cory Braiterman on May 18, 2011 2:56 PM EDT reply actions 7 recs
You only believe he lied and told half truths because Keith Kizer said so. But there is no way on Gods green Earth Kizer could lie. Of course he remembers every single conversation verbatim he has ever had in his life. THATS RIDICULOUS.
uh
if you think the only half-truth, lie and prevarication was the Kizer incident, then you’re dumber than Chael.
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by Cory Braiterman on May 18, 2011 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
for fucks sake
really? after all these months and all the recaps out there? you still don’t know what was said and done?
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by Cory Braiterman on May 18, 2011 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
The difference between your Kizer and Chael example
Is that there is paperwork signed when Kizer gives exemptions, otherwise everyone could get popped and say, “Oh, the AC said it was cool though.”
That’s the big difference in this he said vs. he said.
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by Dallas Winston on May 18, 2011 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Has he ever applied for an exemption for TRT to fight in Nevada?? If not there would be no paperwork to speak of. Seems from all I read that it was just a conversation about the use of it.
The point is
If he ever applied anywhere, as he should have if he expected exemption, there would be some type of paperwork trail.
The fact that neither he or any of the ACs can produce any paperwork reflects poorly on Chael saying he was exempt.
It’s not like special exemptions for something like this are handled with a smile and a handshake.
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by Dallas Winston on May 18, 2011 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
sure thing gramps
Anderson Silva, Edson Barboza, Jose Aldo, Charles Oliveira, Thiago Alves = Muay Thai wrecking machines!
by SentientAndroid on May 18, 2011 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Am I the only one sad
that
MMAjunkieSteven Closing arguments begin. Chappelleisn’t Dave Chappelle? God that’d be awesome.
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by Cory Braiterman on May 18, 2011 2:57 PM EDT reply actions
I was just thinking the same thing. After the RKelly/MJ/OJ bit he did I’m sure Dave would be a better substitution.
by vile(nt)green on May 18, 2011 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
interview with Inside MMA?
What’s the deal with the interview he did with Inside MMA? Did he say anything in that interview that contradicted what he said at a hearing?
I think
If this goes good for Sonnen, White says he did threaten to retire Sonnen but is glad he can put him on the boob tube now.
If it goes bad, White denies making that claim and doesn’t retire him.
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The retirement thing seems ridiculous to bring up, I fail to see why it should have any relevance on the case.
by Superstitiousmma on May 18, 2011 3:20 PM EDT reply actions
It's desperation
Like most of Sonnen’s shenanigans.
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I'm hoping this isn't another Sonnen lie(it is)
Retire please.
by 0U on May 18, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Compassionate Reasoning
This is like a kid who got kicked out of school on academic probation
There is always grounds for compassionate appeal
Looks like Chael is retired.
Just gonna have to fall back on that real estate business I guess. He actual has better chances of being a politician.
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Oh snap
JoshGrossESPN – Options regarding Sonnen’s possible suspension are discussed. Commissioner Gene Hernandez makes a motion to uphold indefinite suspension.
If Derek Jeter clubbed a baby seal on earth day while wearing a mink coat and crocodile skin boots while burning tires on an iceberg, the reaction would be "Its OK Derek, you’re a Yankee." -First mammal to wear pants
We all know Sonnen lied.
I think he would do better to just say, “sorry I lied. I made some poor decisions. But fighting is my life. Please give me another chance and I won’t do this again.”
But that’s probably difficult for a guy like him. This is why I keep my lies simple. Easier to keep track of :)
by pud333 on May 18, 2011 3:26 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
oh god its BJ Penn all over again
Sonnen’s mother is speaking.
http://unintelligentdefense.blogspot.com
And now Sonnen's mom is speaking....
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Mrs Sonnen
She said she went to doctor w/ Chael and is convinced he needs testosterone whether he competes or not. Just to get out of bed in morning.
Sonnen’s mom (sorry, she didn’t give her name): Did he really lie the last time he was here?
thanks Josh
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Sonnens mother speaking????
Who’s next Bjs mom
by itsnotthatserious on May 18, 2011 3:34 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Thanks for everything Chael
Back to the motion for indefinite suspension, which was seconded by Giza. 4-1 motion passes, the indefinite suspension remains.
It was a fun ride but:
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by MattParker117 on May 18, 2011 3:34 PM EDT reply actions 4 recs
4-1 vote to uphold Sonnen's suspension
via MMAJunkie
Little easier to analyze and less subjective than a fight
don’t ya think?
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by Dallas Winston on May 18, 2011 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Not only that they're not even close to being the same job
If you need the sarcasm font to pick up on sarcasm I’ll do that to help you out lol.
Oh well.
I’m still tripping on the people forgetting that this cat talks better than he fights, and even that’s debatable.
He beat Nate and Okami back to back and gave Anderson his only competitive fight in the UFC – the guy is a legit middleweight contender
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I’m well aware of what he’s done. He also got caught lying and cheating. Being a legit contender doesn’t mean you get to circumvent the rules. And on that note, he’s more notorious for his mouth than his skills.
Im not talking about the rules – you made it seem like he wasn’t that good of a fighter with your “talks better than he fights” line
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No, of course he’s a good fighter. But some people are acting like we are losing an all-time great when in all honesty, they just want to hear him jaw. While he did give Silva his best fight yet, he lost the same way he always does. I never meant to imply he wasn’t good. He’s very good. He just has severe limitations that will keep from being great. People seemed to have forgotten that because of mountains of trash talking.
Damn
Loses his real estate license, then he turns around and loses his fighter’s license too. Homeboy fucked UP.
it's nice knowing that there are consequences in the real world. If you cheat and lie, you will suffer the consequences
by darkotto23 on May 18, 2011 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Well. In that bizarro world where he was. He never would’ve fought Silva, which means he never would’ve popped, never been suspended, etc, etc.
All starts with the man in the mirror...
Won’t work until he changes his ways.
No message could have been clearer…
by 0U on May 18, 2011 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Dana must be thanking Lucifer
that Anderson pulled off that triangle. If Chael was the champ when all this went down it would be a disaster for the UFC.
by xfreekx on May 18, 2011 3:38 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
i don't think Sonnen would have become the champ since he tested positive for Testosterone, if anything it would have been a NC
That's true...
But he still would’ve beaten Anderson which would be huge.
No he wouldn't
That’s why it would be a NC.
C'mon man...it takes a while to overturn the decision...
For at least a month or two he’d have been champ.
And sure it’s a NC but everybody knows who wins. Does anybody really consider Gomi/Diaz a NC?
That would be your opinion there. The weed was considered a performance enhancer and it was argued that Nick felt less pain amongst other things during the match. You can’t pick and choose when it comes down to it.
by Empty Thoughts on May 18, 2011 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions
ya kinda can.
That’s why tylenole isn’t on the banned list, because the substances are picked and chosen to be on the banned list.
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by the-gentle-way on May 18, 2011 4:22 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
A NC ruling doesn’t change the fact on how fans view things. It also wouldn’t change the allure that would’ve been lost if Chael had won.
by Empty Thoughts on May 18, 2011 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Since I suppose someone should get up on their high horse and preach from the moral high ground
If you lie, and get caught lying, its generally better to admit it and apologize than to pile on more lies.

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by Cory Braiterman on May 18, 2011 3:39 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
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by Cory Braiterman on May 18, 2011 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
ROFL.
Well played.
I hate Chael but don’t like this news.
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by Sebastiaan Tauran on May 18, 2011 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I was thinking that Lorenzo would work some of his contacts from his days at the NSAC
and try to get his pals at the NSAC to talk to the people at CSAC and convince them to cancel his suspension.
The thing with Chael is:
He talked himself into a unwinnable situation.
To quote an old wrasslin’ reference:
CHAEL SCREWED CHAEL
by Maclovio Williams on May 18, 2011 3:44 PM EDT reply actions
Is there a live stream this time?
Does anybody know if he brought his “Doctor”? Because that dude was awesome.
I hate this decision.
Like him or not, Chael is one of the best MWs in the world and not getting to see him fight is a shame.
I have no problem with the decision.
He fucked himself over. And let’s be real, before he talked up the Silva fight, nobody cared about Sonnen. He was just the “I did not tap out” guy.
by Rahson on May 18, 2011 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Personally, I cared. I’ve been a fan of Chael since I first saw him in the WEC. I’ve been even more of a fan with the new improved Chael of the past couple years.
As a fight fan, you don’t care that arguably the #2 MW in the world is being forced to sit on the bench instead of putting on interesting fights?
by Empty Thoughts on May 18, 2011 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
So good fighters
should have no reprecusions for their actions?
by Bombadilillo on May 18, 2011 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Not sure where I said that. He though has had repercusions for his actions and continues to have them. The commission lessoned his suspension after he made many valid arguments and then once he is eligible to fight again, they restore the suspension and increase it to a indifinite period. Due to the questions of a outside commision…
It’s a case of the commisions abusing their power in a way that our court systems can’t for that very reason.
by Empty Thoughts on May 18, 2011 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Seriously
What were his valid arguments? I never finished puberty and here’s this pothead doctor who isn’t even an MD that can back me up?
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Lol YES
He lied to them and they lowered his suspension. Found out it was a lie and put it back. Man so unfair to Chael…
by Bombadilillo on May 18, 2011 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions
How about this, point out what arguments were proven invalid because obviously the CSAC thought they were plenty valid back when they halved his suspension.
As far as I can tell the only real questions the CSAC had for Sonnen were involving his conversation or lack of one with Keith Kizer. Something which could easily be argued as having been a miscommunication, a he said she said situation, or Chael outright lying. Especially when Chael has multiple people willing to testify that conversations of this nature did happen to some extent.
Saying that, I personally think Chael lied about having talked to Kizer. That doesn’t mean though that their being unable to prove whether he did or didn’t should end up with his 1 year turned to 1/2 a year suspension should be turned in a indifinite one. The commissions abuse their power and have for way to long in a way that our court systems can’t.
by Empty Thoughts on May 18, 2011 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions
How do you not get this
Supsension 1/2ed because Chael said he talked to Kizer
He didn’t and this was revealed to be a lie
They suspend him again.
by Bombadilillo on May 18, 2011 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions
It was halved because he stated he talked to Kizer who said that he didn’t. Sonnen then claimed that he spoke poorly and used the term “I” when he should have stated that his management team had. Kizer then admits to having had said conversations with Chael’s management but continues to state that it wasn’t about Sonnen in specific.
It comes down to whether or not you think Chael purposefully lied to the commission or simply chose his words poorly. I believe that he lied, but I also believe that there is more than enough evidence to prove otherwise or at the very least leave the question asked. What is lacking here is the evidence that he intentially lied or misled yet he is still being punished for having done so.
Now, how are you not getting it?
by Empty Thoughts on May 18, 2011 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions
This is ridiculous
You don’t “accidentally” say, “I spoke to Kizer and got the OK”. That’s just a totally unreasonable claim.
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by Chris Barton on May 18, 2011 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ve heard people make similar mistakes before, so I’m not sure how ridiculous it really is.
As I said though, I personally think he lied. I have no proof one way or the other though and neither does the CSAC or the NSAC outside of Kizer’s sworn testimony being weighed more heavily than Chael’s.
by Empty Thoughts on May 18, 2011 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly
He’s lucky they didn’t go after him for perjury.
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by Chris Barton on May 18, 2011 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t mind one bit, he was a liar and a cheater, and a douche who ran his mouth for no reason. I’ve never considered him close to number 2 either.
All of his crazyness wasn’t in the least bit entertaining for me, neither was his style inside the cage.
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I don't know why people are mad at his conviction being a factor
The commision is trying to assess weither he lied or “misspoke”. How does him being convicted of a felony around the same time not shed light on his character, or lack thereof.
Does talking shit about Chael
still count as fighter bashing now?
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hahaha
touche
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by Chris Barton on May 18, 2011 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Good riddance.
I hate people who think they’re invincible.
Its actually nice to see the commision have some balls
They usually fold after getting yelled at.
You reap what you sow.
All I have to say.
You Sir are weak and unable to look evil in the eye and deal with it! Jack Bauer.
The fall of Chael Sonnen has come even faster than the rise.
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by Neil Manich on May 18, 2011 4:08 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
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Indefinite means suspended until his license in California expires June 29. Sonnen goes on MMA commission watch list. Can apply elsewhere.
You've been Triangled Son!
I hate to see people lose their career, but I hate Chael Sonnen more.
In a weird way, I feel bad for the guy
I mean, he’s been a borderline bigot in interviews and statements and near-sociopathic in his willingness to lie to anyone at any time…
But he’s also by far THE Anderson Silva nemesis at 185. And as a fan I feel the poorer for not seeing that story through, even though I logically understand and support this ruling.
Also, ironically 4-1 is kind of how the rounds went in Chael's title shot
by LBo on May 18, 2011 5:11 PM EDT reply actions 4 recs
ah man, and a rec for you my good sir.
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by SentientAndroid on May 18, 2011 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree, he should be subjected to criminal perjury charges.
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