Badr Hari's Return Marks the Beginning of a Risky Bet to Progress Kickboxing
Badr Hari returned to the world of kickboxing after roughly one year away from the sport, fighting Tony Gregory on the It's Showtime card yesterday in Lyon, France. In a world in which K-1 reigns supreme, this may not have been as hyped an event as one would imagine, but in the current climate in which kickboxing is fading from the combat sports' conscious due to K-1's financial woes -- Hari's return was met with vigor and excitement from a fanbase craving destruction.
At no point during the main event introduction on Saturday did Tony Gregory look to be a threat to the great Badr Hari. His entrance was filled with a stoic, nonchalant demeanor, absent of any signs of worry on his expressionless face. But most fans knew of his impending doom. Hari, after all, was the destroyer of hope for many of K-1's best heavyweight fighters.
As the cameras in Lyon, France panned over the crowd to a lighted tunnel that Hari was about to walk out from, the crowd stampeded to the entrance, phones and cameras raised into the air to catch a glimpse of kickboxing's bad boy. Hari walked out into the crowd of onlookers with an angry, determined look on his face. Gregory must have stolen something from Hari, and Hari was about to make him pay for his crime.
Chaos ensued as the crowd pushed the guard rails that impeded their progress toward the cleared area surrounding the ring. Every fan in the arena was angling for a better view of the action, making the scene ringside look like Mike Tyson was about to enter the ring. As Hari skinned himself of his clothing and walked toward the center of the ring, Tony Gregory's eyes saddened. The intimidating shadow of Badr Hari had already won him the fight before it had even started, an attribute that many fighters in combat sports can't say is in their arsenal of tricks.
Gregory ran around the ring, trying to avoid the awesome power of Hari's attacks. The fight was comical from the get go as Gregory ducked, dived, and dodged massive uppercuts and overhands, falling to the floor on multiple occasions despite never being hit or eating a glancing blow. Gregory was never cleaned hit with a monstrous shot from Hari, but the referee had seen enough action. Gregory was overwhelmed by Hari's aggressiveness, perhaps being unfairly shown the door even when a few knockdowns were caused by Hari's forward progress and massive frame. But we all knew what the outcome would have been... Gregory laid out on the canvas as Hari raised his hands in victory.
The fight itself wasn't the major story however. Hari's inevitable return to the sport and the need for a figure to popularize the sport once again go hand in hand. Hari has been called a revolutionary, a bedlamite, a villian, and a disgusting human being by a broad range of fans. Some love to hate him, other love to watch him fight, and a few simply want to see his criminal ways exit the sport. Despite his out-of-the-ring brushes with the law, his popularity as a fighter is still intact.
The question to be asked is whether Hari's status as a heel, a man who people want to watch whether they love him or hate him, can help grow the sport in the United States. It's Showtime's new deal with HDNet could be the beginning of a movement to raise the bar for kickboxing in terms of interest. Hari has all the key attributes that can draw fans to a fight. He's exciting to watch, an imposing figure inside the ring, and has the image of a bad boy that is intriguing to fans. He has a demeanor that mimics the "everyone is out to get me" attitude of a Nick Diaz, but he does turn off some of the fans that want to see a professional represent the sport. Hari embody that type of representative.
In my mind, kickboxing has some other issues that are more prominent. There is the idea that the sport has never truly replaced its popular, yet aged veterans. We've seen countless K-1 Grand Prix events over the years with the same names lining the roster. There is also the issue of kickboxing becoming popular in the North American market, a continent that has seen exponential growth of mixed martial arts. If It's Showtime wants a piece of the pie, it will need to prove it can grow and live for a number of years in the market. Whether or not HDNet's reach can provide a foundation for that growth is to be determined.
Is Badr Hari the man to make the happen? My gut instinct believes that Hari will have an unfortunate brush with the law that will sideline him for a very long time, crushing any hope that he can help popularize the sport stateside. It's a risky bet for a promotion like It's Showtime to put hopes and dreams on Hari's shoulder, but I have no doubt in my mind that they are keen to the possibility of Hari not being there for the long haul. We saw some great fighters yesterday who wowed us with great performances. Hari may ultimately be the name that draws eyes, but like many of the UFC's own events -- that could work in allowing those same eyes to watch the future of the sport in other fighters.
I've been a huge kickboxing fan for a number of years. I absolutely love the sport, and it's hard to explain to MMA fans exactly what it is that gets me overly excited about watching major events like yesterday's It's Showtime event over many MMA events. But Hari's story is one of those sagas that tears at a fan's heart. On one end of the spectrum, I condemn the criminal acts he's been involved with in the past, but on the other end of the spectrum -- I am infatuated with the exciting style of chaos he brings to the confines of a ring. It leaves me with some uncertainty as to whether he'll ever be able to help popularize the sport to new fans in North America.
At only 26 years of age, time is on his side, but there may be no hope in affecting the decisions he makes in his life or the people that surround him. It could ultimately hurt his career, and the sport's ability to draw in fans in the future. Can kickboxing succeed without him in other markets? I imagine it can, but his involvement would speed up the process.
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I will never understand the willful ignorance to overlook the indiscretions of athletes because they’re exciting.
Personally, I think people convicted of violent crimes should be banned from contact sports.
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by Austin Martin on May 15, 2011 2:34 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I will never understand the willful ignorance to overlook the indiscretions of athletes because they’re exciting.
It’s not a wilful ignorance, it’s the fact that that a person’s actions outside of the ring are completely irrelevant to them being enjoyable to watch inside of it.
I don’t pay to watch perfect moral citizens in a ring, I pay to watch fighters.
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by Jack.Barrington on May 15, 2011 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, good article BTW.
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by Jack.Barrington on May 15, 2011 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I try not to make watching Badr fight a moral decision.
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i'm just saying
Say the most dynamic fighter we’ve ever seen comes along. He’s a dynamic mixture of violence and technique. A amalgamation of of Jose Aldo, Jon Jones, Chris Lytle, Tyson, etc. But he’s a convicted rapist. How can we possibly allow that person to enter the ring, hexagon, or octagon, as fans?
Where does the line get drawn?
Why do people still wear “free lee murray” t-shirts or root for Ben Roethlisberger?
Why do we allow ourselves to put on a “violent equivalent” of beer goggles and watch this person, knowing what they’ve done to inflict injury on other people outside of the realm of sport? If they can snap outside the cage, what keeps them from inflicting serious injury inside if they get the chance?
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by Austin Martin on May 15, 2011 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Roethlisberger/Vick/Hari/Mayweather/ect.........
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A amalgamation of of Jose Aldo, Jon Jones, Chris Lytle, Tyson, etc. But he’s a convicted rapist.
Kind of a weird list of examples for the most dynamic fighter ever.
And Tyson is a convicted rapist. In his first fight back after his prison sentence, over 1.5 million people bought the PPV.
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by Jack.Barrington on May 15, 2011 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I disagree completely.
We have laws for a reason. No matter how broken our prison system is, if someone does their time, then they should be able to do whatever they want. Hari has absolutely suffered for his violent outbursts in and out of the ring. They’re human beings, not super heroes. I personally don’t think someone’s personal life should have anything to do with their profession, unless it directly acts as a detriment to it.
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by ElliotMatheny on May 15, 2011 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I will never understand the strong puritanical streak that runs through many combat sports fans.
We are all fans of violent, dangerous sports that attract many violent, dangerous people. We love fighters that have an aptitude and love for violence, but everyone turns into a Bob Reilly clone as soon as that violence (inevitably) makes its way outside the ring.
When fighters break rules or commit crimes, I think they should be punished according to the law or the rules of the organization in which they fight, but I feel no moral obligation to punish them myself.
My armchair psychology theory is that this hardcore puritanical reaction is a form of defense against the concept that we are somehow unevolved for watching such a violent sport.
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by Dave Strummer on May 15, 2011 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions
People that tuned into to see Badr
Got to see both Ghita and Spong annihilate guys. They even got to see Ngimbi land another incredible flying knee. It’s Showtime is doing it right. Now they just have those guys fight each other instead of local scrubs.
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Badr's good but......

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by RolloTomasi on May 15, 2011 3:01 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
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by Neil Manich on May 15, 2011 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I could look for the one where he beat TKOed Alistair in their second fight also
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Smashing counterpoint, chap!
Semmy has something to say in return.
1, 2, 3.Huh! What does that mean?
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Oh right, that.

by gzl5000 on May 15, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You mean the criminally early stoppage where Alistar was still on his feet when the ref stopped it?
That one?
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The one where he was out on his feet and grabbed the ropes?
Yes, that one.
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by Neil Manich on May 15, 2011 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Pu-lease!
He was wobbled for a moment but not out.
On the other hand there is no argument about Reems win….
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This is a ridiculous argument
They are one and one. Overeem’s power is problematic for Badr, and in 2009 Alistair couldn’t deal with Badr’s aggression.
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Rubbermatch is all Alistair.
Hope we see it.
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by RolloTomasi on May 15, 2011 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed
Way more fights I want to see Alistair in in kickboxing than in MMA.
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by Neil Manich on May 15, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
is megareem> megahari?
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by Austin Martin on May 15, 2011 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I would love to see it, especially if Hari continues his physical growth.
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by Leland Roling on May 15, 2011 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Didn’t he weigh 101 kg for his last fight? that is within his usual fighting weight over all his career (220-230)
by Carlos Estrada-Ibars Martínez on May 15, 2011 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions
This gif actually shows that Overeem's technique is better as well
Badr’s right hand drops and he leans too far left, while Overeem covers the right side of his head prior to throwing a hook and he dips down and coils to gain power.
by Austin Martin on May 15, 2011 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Badr has the better kicks IMO.
But Reem (at least in that gif) seems to have the crisper boxing (and we all know how good Reem’s knees are)
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that gif would actually be the perfect instruction tool
how to throw a hook, and how to be slow and less powerful on a hook while leaving yourself open.
I feel like I really haven’t seen Reem throw many kicks in competition. I think he’s just so confident in his hands, clinching (knees) and defensive ability to get inside that he doesn’t fight much at long range.
by Austin Martin on May 15, 2011 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Its not really very instructive on Hari
I imagine most people would start to get a little sloppy in their technique if you had already been dropped by the Reem less than a minute earlier
Criminally early?
Badr was fucking DESTROYING Alistair. Just blowing him out of the water. There was nothing early about that stoppage. Can you honestly say that Reem didn’t at least need a standing 8- count after absorbing that massive high kick?
Those are the rules. 2 knockdowns/ 8- counts and you’re out, until the finals.
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by ElliotMatheny on May 15, 2011 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Twas early.
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Twas an asskicking
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by David Castillo on May 15, 2011 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
lol @ your exaggeration. I would probably reserve “fucking DESTROYING” for Overeem’s decimation of Hari in their first fight.
Overeem is a K-1 and MMA champ, Hari is a criminal who I have no sympathy for. Maybe he should fulfill his end of the agreement and fight Overeem in MMA. That, I would like to see.
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by andrew861 on May 15, 2011 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
It’s not an exaggeration at all. Although given the rest of your post I’m not surprised at your inability to give Hari full credit for that win.
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by Jack.Barrington on May 15, 2011 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Really not an exaggeration.
Badr was blowing through Reem. I’m a big Alistair fan, but i’m a bigger fan of the truth; the truth being that Reem was getting bent over a sink in that fight.
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by ElliotMatheny on May 15, 2011 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions
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by RolloTomasi on May 15, 2011 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Are you trolling now, or something?
What does a gif from the first fight have to do with the idiocy of thinking the 2nd fight was stopped “criminally early”?
Here’s Alistair before getting knocked silly with a high kick:

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by David Castillo on May 15, 2011 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions
That was from the first fight,
not sure what your point is, we all know that Reem smashed Hari in their first fight. That doesn’t change the fact that Hari decimated Alistair in the rematch. And obviously that’s why everyone wants the rubber match between them.
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by ElliotMatheny on May 16, 2011 1:03 AM EDT up reply actions
sorry and very off topic
How do you create a fanpost? I need help finding an mma gym near me and google research seems dim.
by Mantis xX on May 15, 2011 3:12 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I'd love to see Manny Pacman fight Vitali Klitchko..........
who cares if there is like a 100 pound weight diff…….
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Although...
Badr’s complete lack of grappling skill might make up for the weight difference under MMA rules. I’d be a perfect PRIDE-style freakshow match.
Badr will never fight MMA again.
He got GRAPPLESMASHED in his only fight.
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by RolloTomasi on May 15, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
He's put on about forty pounds since then
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But has he trained Wrestle/Jits/Judo?
Weight means nothing.
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I'd like to see Gegard Mous start to fight more K-1/Showtime
I think he’s got the tools to be a real guy.
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Oh I agree
Only issue is he’d have to fight up a weight class to make any cash.
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He’s probably around 215/220 now? Thats not awful for a heavyweight. He has a large frame as well.
by Austin Martin on May 15, 2011 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, I'd love to see him compete
I just think he has trouble when he runs into the huge super heavyweights.
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Who doesn't
Semmy is kind of a freak.
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Alistair Overeem as a HW 13-2-1
Doesn't IS
have a cruiserweight division? That would be perfect for guys like Mousasi, as well as Kyotaro/ Spong/ Karaev/ Saki, etc.
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by ElliotMatheny on May 15, 2011 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions
That's not where the money fights are though
Also, try to get Saki to fight anything other than heavyweight. Dude won’t hear it.
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Interesting,
I didn’t know about that. I feel like IS has enough of a talent pool to make a really impressive cruiserweight division, and aren’t the money fights just the best matchups anyways?
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by ElliotMatheny on May 15, 2011 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions
not only does he have the tools, his physical makeup gives his a predisposition to striking
by Austin Martin on May 15, 2011 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions
You mean his hunchback?
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yup
Do you remember where that article was posted?
by Austin Martin on May 15, 2011 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Never saw it.
but Mous’s hunchback is hard to miss.
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Haha they called it sloped shoulders or something. But it was an interview with his striking coach, talking about how that helped him.
by Austin Martin on May 15, 2011 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions
People tend to forget that Hari took the first Reem fight on 2 weeks notice.
He beats Overeem again in the rubber match. Alistair can’t handle Hari’s speed.
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by Jack.Barrington on May 15, 2011 4:11 PM EDT reply actions
I think the kickboxing world can grow without Hari
His absence from the K-1 World GP last year arguably allowed us to focus on the arrival of promoted prospects Daniel Ghita, Gokhan Saki, and Tyrone Spong. Those guys made a huge splash in K-1 last year and have become all-stars this year. I think that all three could easily become popular here in the United States, especially Saki, whose explosive style will definitely win over audiences who want exciting striking.
I don’t know if I’d classify Saki as a prospect. He’s been around the K-1 circuit for roughly 6 years, and he’s simply failed against the upper echelon talent. He has a great style, but I’m not sold on him entering the elite. Ghita is a prospect, and I’d agree that Spong is as well.
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by Leland Roling on May 15, 2011 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Spong is top 3 p4p
His weight gain has just slowed him down a little and nullified any strength advantages he might have had. At cruiserweight he was fucking lethal and just as precise as Petrosyan.
Not really,
even at cruiserweight Spong wasn’t the best. Don’t get me wrong- I like the guy, but it doesn’t change the fact that he got knocked out by Carnage and Saki (2 other “cruiserweight” sized fighters). You simply can’t call him one of the 3 best strikers in the world when he doesn’t have the wins to support it.
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by ElliotMatheny on May 16, 2011 1:05 AM EDT up reply actions
As precise as Petroysan? No. He’s a good fighter and could probably be a threat, but his size really hurts him against the bigger competitors.
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