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Jon Jones' Management Continues Mishandling Rashad Evans Situation

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As discussed yesterday, Jon Jones will now not have the surgery on his hand which was the reason for pulling out of the planned UFC 133 bout with Rashad Evans. I pointed out at the time that Jones' manager Malki Kawa dropped the ball in how the situation was handled. Rather than shut down their public statements, Kawa continued tweeting all yesterday and today. In an effort to smooth the situation over he actually made things worse by tweeting gems like this in terms of why Jones vs. Evans can't simply be moved to August 6:

RT not enough time. June 11 to aug 6 is less than 8 weeks and he's coming off an injury.

As Mike Fagan pointed out: 8 weeks is 56 days, or exactly 8 weeks. And he's also not "coming off an injury." He has had this issue with his hand since college and is now choosing not to get it fixed. It's really time for Kawa and Jones to step away from the media, formulate a smart media plan and then execute it. At a time where desperate excuses aren't needed, Kawa continues to throw them out.

Let's run down the way that Kawa allowed the situation to play out in public one more time:

  • Jones and Rashad is on the table and is, without a doubt, one of the biggest fights on the UFC's schedule. It is also the kind of fight that could turn a star into a superstar.
  • Jones pulled out of the bout needing to have surgery on his hand.
  • Rather than play up that this is something that he "needed" to have fixed for the good of his career, Jones was allowed to talk in public about how it is a situation he has been dealing with since college which doesn't impact his fighting but he just wanted to get corrected now.
  • Once Evans was tied up with Phil Davis, Jones and Kawa announce that Jones was told he didn't need the surgery (which was always the case) and that he was making the choice to not have it. This after previously stating that he was choosing to have a surgery he admittedly didn't need.
  • Then, Kawa goes on Twitter to say that Jones will fight again before the end of the year...just not against Rashad.
  • When pushed on why Jones can't fight Rashad on August 8, he claims that 8 weeks is not 8 weeks and that Jones will be coming off an injury which has existed since college.

Look, Jones doesn't have to actually be ducking Evans for it to look like Jones is ducking Evans. Kawa is failing at his job. He is making a fighter who had built up a reputation as an unstoppable wrecking ball appear like he's going out of his way to avoid a fight with a guy who may be "in his head."

It would not have been hard when announcing that he was pulling out of the fight to drop some media friendly soundbites "I want my hand at 100% when I use it to break his jaw" or, at the very least, avoid ever saying that you're choosing a surgery you don't need over a fight.

Kawa is dropping the ball on, what should be, the easiest fighter to sell in the entire sport. It's making for a great example of just how few legitimate sports management types there are in the MMA game at this point.

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My guess is Jones will fight the winner of Rampoage/Hammill in Denver with praying Rampage wins.

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by MattParker117 on May 14, 2011 3:08 PM EDT reply actions  

*the ufc praying

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by MattParker117 on May 14, 2011 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh well

I still dislike Evans and will root Jones all day.

by truck on May 14, 2011 8:12 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

I came here to post a pic of Meathead saying that very thing.

I guess it was a fat changup waiting to get smashed outta the park.

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by RolloTomasi on May 14, 2011 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

So it's a Barry Zito fastball?

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by James Brady on May 14, 2011 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

I would say something snarky about Zito and join in on the hilarity but

I’m a Mariners fan so…….I’ll just keep my mouth shut.

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by RolloTomasi on May 14, 2011 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

As a diehard Giants fan, that man makes me sick.

$18 million down the drain, year after year.

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by bcpjkell on May 15, 2011 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Compare to Dominick Cruz, who had a similar situation.

He announced before the Jorgenson fight that he would have surgery to fix a recurring/nagging injury. He offered to delay it if the TUF coaching spots were open, but those went to Brock and Junior so he went ahead with the surgery and is now going to fight the top contender.

Dominick controlled the whole story, start to finish. Made it clear his hand had been jacked up for awhile and it had to be fixed soon. Fought his scheduled fight. Offered to mess up his plans to help out the UFC (unlike Jones messing up UFC plans)*. Then posted a disgusting post-op picture on his hand. Now he’s fighting on schedule with his recovery.

*This is what makes me most nervous. Knowing Malki and Jones, this whole thing looks orchestrated for one purpose. Negotiations.

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by pdl on May 14, 2011 3:10 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

This is what I said!
Do I believe he has hand injuries from wrestling college? Sure, it’s completely possible. However, when a fighter has spent time burying a former teammate, it calls into question the real reason for pulling out of the fight. The first is the fact that Jones may be taking off time to get married, which would obviously take time away from the fighting mindset. But if he was planning on getting married, why bother building up the fight in such an aggressive manner? The second is that it could be a ploy to renegotiate a contract. This wouldn’t be the first time that Zuffa has dealt with a star who attempts to renegotiate after a massive media push. The third is that Jones could be legitimately hurt and just found out about the timetable recently. I obviously don’t believe this and think this is a ploy from Malki Kawa.

Malki is trying to get PPV %. That’s my guess. And he’s ruining his best fighter’s marketability in the process. Cause he’s a jag.

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by Matthew Roth on May 14, 2011 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Malki's treading a thin line

I can’t imagine Dana’s gonna put up with ANY request to renegotiate now that Jones has screwed over DW’s summer.

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by duck on May 14, 2011 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Where's Jen Wenk in all this?

Shouldn’t she have 86’d Jon Jones and Malki Kawa’s Twitter-ing privileges by now?

by SteveevaD on May 14, 2011 3:12 PM EDT reply actions  

Well...

Jen Wenk signed on with Authentic Sports Management. Malki has reestablished himself as First Round Management, who do not lisk Wenk on their About Us page. Which is… well… interesting.

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by pdl on May 14, 2011 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

To further explain

Malki had a partnership with Authentic Sports. They split. Wenk handles all the PR for Authentic. Malki handles all the PR on his own. Without any sort of a degree. Which means that contract negotiations which usually need a lawyer or some legal background? He doesn’t have that. PR? He doesn’t have that.

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by Matthew Roth on May 14, 2011 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Craziest is that fuck Ken Pavia

Who is considered one of the worst in the business, is more qualified to manage fighters just cause he has a law degree. Never took the Bar but he has a JD.

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by Matthew Roth on May 14, 2011 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

First Round Management. As in, when you’re in the first round of your career, he can be helpful. Once you get to the “championship rounds” dump his ass.

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by Brent Brookhouse on May 14, 2011 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also, maybe…maybe update your site champ.

“Jon Jones defeats Ryan Bader, gets UFC Light Heavyweight TItle Shot” is the most recent “news item” on the front page.

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by Brent Brookhouse on May 14, 2011 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's not even good for that.

Gotta remember that he was Jones’ third manager over the course of his UFC career. I know Jones was with Genet for the Hammil fight, and worked with KO Reps before that. So Malki wasn’t even there for the First Round.

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by pdl on May 14, 2011 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Who do you manage right now? :)

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by TheFilt on May 14, 2011 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was expecting to read the name Florian :P

That’s awesome, man.

You guys stole Nate from that leech Hammer?

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by TheFilt on May 14, 2011 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

When is Royce signing?

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by TheFilt on May 14, 2011 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Took me a minute to get it.. clever.

by Horselover Fat on May 15, 2011 7:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Awsome! :)

Really did make me laugh out loud. Thanks – I needed it.

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by outlander78 on May 15, 2011 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is bullshit. Rashad Evans isn’t getting any younger and he’s been waiting for a title shot since Shogun was the champ. He has waited and who knows how he’ll be with such ring rust. I think Jones and his camp want Evans to fight again, hoping he will lose and they won’t have to fight him for the title.

Now I am not saying it’s because Jones is scared or worried about Evans. Nothing I’ve seen gives me any evidence of that, but something is going on and it’s fuckin’ bullshit for Evans. If I was him I would hound Dana and the UFC for this.

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by LowkickGreed on May 14, 2011 3:14 PM EDT reply actions  

Great article

Brent, great work here. I hadn’t thought of thongs that way.

by b_radical on May 14, 2011 3:15 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

how do you usually think of thongs?

Conducting an experiment on knocking people out in particular ways would be unethical.

by Chris Hall on May 14, 2011 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Personally?

Like this

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by The American Ronin on May 15, 2011 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ok

I am really hoping that Jones career doesnt go down the shits because of his shitty management team.

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by RJshock 305 on May 14, 2011 3:16 PM EDT reply actions  

No doubt that this is a big misstep

But it doesn’t change the fact that jones has been winning in dominant fashion in the marquee division of MMA’s biggest promoter. As long as he continues to win (and hopefully gets new management) this shouldn’t be anything but a small hiccup in his career.

I think its more of an indication of a larger problem that Brent stated – there is not a wealth of good management for fighters right now.

Conducting an experiment on knocking people out in particular ways would be unethical.

by Chris Hall on May 14, 2011 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, Jones is scared

He’s more athletic, stronger, faster, tougher, and better in every aspect of MMA than Evans; furthermore, he’s never been taken down, never even lost other than a DQ when he had already, literally, broken his opponent. And he’s ducking Evans.

Some people are bizarre.

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by Wrestling Uber Alles on May 14, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

agreed

just a horrendously handled situation

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by Sterling Archer on May 14, 2011 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not only is Evans a better fighter, he alsoknows how to beat him from training with him

Evans just hopes that Evans loses now to Davis in order not to fight him.

by CVD on May 14, 2011 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Evans is a better fighter?

Jones is the (basically) undefeated champ in the weight class. How is Evans better? Jones has wrecked everyone he’s fought lately. Wrecked them. Evans is going to get crushed and then he’s either going to retire or flee the weight class.

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by Wrestling Uber Alles on May 14, 2011 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

You really believe that.

You really think Evans is a better fighter then Jones?

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by RJshock 305 on May 14, 2011 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I dont think so, Also WTF is it about everyone saying Machida is over cause he got KOed by FUCKING Shogun, and Lost ro Rampage because he was aggressive enough.

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by RJshock 305 on May 14, 2011 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just like those “secrets” Serra passed on to Hardy before his GSP match, right?
Every fighter is going to say they know the “secret” to beating the other guy. But Jones just gets better and better each fight, by leaps and bounds, and as he fine-tunes how to use his reach advantage, leverage and strength, I don’t see anyone in the LHW division at his level.

by Dootch on May 14, 2011 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why isn't Evans the champ?

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by Wrestling Uber Alles on May 14, 2011 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

He didn't get to fight Rua.

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by Richard Wade on May 14, 2011 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Better boxer is perhaps debatable, but Rashad is not remotely close to Jones is wrestling ability, MMA or otherwise…

Then again, he did manage to unexpectedly beat Greg Jones so…

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by The American Ronin on May 15, 2011 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

Evans has the better resume

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by Matthew Roth on May 14, 2011 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, he doesn't.

Jones has one DQ loss and has destroyed Rua and Bader.
Evans got knocked the fuck out and beat an over-the-hill Liddell.

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by Wrestling Uber Alles on May 14, 2011 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOL OK

Rampage, Forrest, Liddell, and Thaigo Silva…you’re right though. Wins over Vera and Stephan Bonnar are totally relevant.

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by Matthew Roth on May 14, 2011 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

He did beat them.

But come on, He wanted nothing to do with Silva, and Rampage standing. He pulled a GSP and took them down over and over again, and did very little on top.

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by RJshock 305 on May 14, 2011 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah

im really impressed by any fighter that has more decision victories than knockouts and subs combined

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by Sterling Archer on May 14, 2011 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

even being the decision machine he is of late

gsp cant even claim that

jones career > rashads career

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by Sterling Archer on May 14, 2011 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Better Resume doesnt mean Better Fighter.

Jones is the better Fighter, I dont see how people say he isnt better then Evans. The amount of improvement he shows in every fight is breath taking. The only things Evans has changed is the amount of time he lays on people.

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by RJshock 305 on May 14, 2011 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

agreed

85+% of his fights dont even give the jugdes a chance to tell you how badly he beat his opponent… because hes left them a mangled mess on the ground as hes walking away without a scratch on him….

i just dont get some peoples logic

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by Sterling Archer on May 14, 2011 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hamil and Shogun are Perfect Examples.

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by RJshock 305 on May 14, 2011 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is the most patently absurd thing I've ever read.

After Bader and Shogun, none of Jones’ wins are relevant. Bisping is a better name on Rashad’s resume than anybody else Jones fought.

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by pdl on May 14, 2011 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

so we fault jon?

for not having the opportunity to fight bigger names?

he has passed each test with flying colors, and flying knees, spinning backfists/elbows and a whole lot of blood… rashad has been brutally KO’d and has had to lay on opponents so judges can tell him he ‘out pointed’ his opponent… and this is true in more than half of his fights….

so how is jones not the more impressive fighter with a more impressive career?

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by Sterling Archer on May 14, 2011 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

You clearly don't understand what "impressive career" means.

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by pdl on May 14, 2011 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

impressive [ɪmˈprɛsɪv]
adj
capable of impressing, esp by size, magnificence, etc.; awe-inspiring; commanding

career [kəˈrɪə]
n
1. a path or progress through life or history
2. a profession or occupation chosen as one’s life’s work
3. (modifier) having or following a career as specified a career diplomat
4. a course or path, esp a swift or headlong one

i just add those two…right?

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by Sterling Archer on May 14, 2011 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

thats dictionary math

and it just did work

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by Sterling Archer on May 14, 2011 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

i know i'm messing

Unlike MMAth, dictionary math is infallible

by Body Triangle on May 14, 2011 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Of course MMAth work

Michael Bisping is better than Jon Jones.

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by SSreporters on May 14, 2011 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

just nearly spit coffee all over

my screen, thanks for the laugh, I needed that.

by proflex on May 15, 2011 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think that is called...

Archer’d!

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by The American Ronin on May 15, 2011 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

nope, i think you're just being a contrarian

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by Austin Martin on May 14, 2011 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

You’re right. We can’t know until they’ve both completed the Wipeout course. Then we can be certain!

by Pyrgz Krum on May 14, 2011 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't forget the Wonderlick test...

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by RolloTomasi on May 15, 2011 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

lol @ Jake Obrien as an "irrelevant fight"

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by RolloTomasi on May 15, 2011 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

I haven't seen enough of him,

and I can’t remember him standing out much, so I put him in the same league as Galvao.

After checking his stats, I see that his biggest win was a decision against Heath Herring in 2007, and his most recent win being over a year ago vs. a guy named Toni Valtonen.

Seems pretty irrelevant in the scope of this discussion, no?

By the way, did you write an article for Listverse a month or so back?

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by RearNakedChoker on May 15, 2011 1:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nope, not me.

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by RolloTomasi on May 15, 2011 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Its funny

Its a top 10 list about a combat sport written by Rolo (note the one L) Tomasi, so I thought it might be you, but then I thought, “why would he only use one L in his name and not write his article about MMA?”

Trippy though. Check it out :

http://listverse.com/2011/04/20/top-10-worst-moments-in-boxing-history/

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by RearNakedChoker on May 15, 2011 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

That MF'er stole my name!

That I stole from L.a. Confidential.
Nice article btw.

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by RolloTomasi on May 15, 2011 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ah...

No wonder the name sounded familiar! :P

Yeah, after I read it I was gonna come in here and ask why you chose to do a boxing article over MMA, but now it all makes sense.

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by RearNakedChoker on May 15, 2011 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

wow,

a logical argument that makes sense, not something you see everyday, good job with that one.

by proflex on May 15, 2011 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

and bisping???

the guy he beat by split decison???

smh…

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by Sterling Archer on May 14, 2011 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I believe i already clarified this.

Better resume does not make better fighter.

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by RJshock 305 on May 14, 2011 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

i would say jones has both

better resume and career, given the trajectory of his career, ability to improve fight to fight, and looking at HOW he has won those fights

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by Sterling Archer on May 14, 2011 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jones' resume may not be as deep as Rashad's yet

But he’s beaten the best people put in front of him, more than Rashad can say, at an earlier point in his career.

by Gitaroo_Dude on May 14, 2011 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

but, theyre not even that different

17 fights compared to 14. so jon jones is 3 dry humping decisions away from being on par with rashads ‘brand’?

smh

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by Sterling Archer on May 14, 2011 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I mean Rashad has had more opportunities to fight Top 10 guys

But Jones has the distinction of actually beating his best opponents, where Rashad got deposed by the Karate Kid.

by Gitaroo_Dude on May 14, 2011 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

The only differences are

1. Jones has not quite competed against the level of competition that Rashad has yet. No big deal though. If one can actually prognosticate a bit and judge talents and skill sets they can see that Jones is the better fighter.

2. He has accomplished what Rashad has, capturing the title in his weight class, at a younger age.

I’d say their careers are on par with each others at this point with Jones being the better fighter.

Of course it’s ridiculous, to me, to say who has the better career because they aren’t over yet.

It’s like comparing Tiger Woods to Jack Nicklaus five years ago. Now look what’s happened.

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by dedstrk316 on May 14, 2011 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

and with far better

and more impressive success

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by Sterling Archer on May 14, 2011 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

This

Shogun is the best fighter either guy has faced, and Jones beat him in a way I don’t think anyone but the most deluded Jones homer could have imagined.

Rashad > Jones though, sho nuff.

by Gitaroo_Dude on May 14, 2011 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

And He's Obviously

On a faster track. If the UFC would have put Evans on this fast of a track would he have been where he is now? Possibly but I doubt it.

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by dedstrk316 on May 14, 2011 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

room for argument either way

but a very valid well made point nonetheless

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by Sterling Archer on May 14, 2011 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes

He fought Shogun once and Bader. I agree with you. And if Matty hangs in with Rampage one can count him in there too.

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by dedstrk316 on May 14, 2011 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

im not so sure about all that

matt is fighting rampage by default, not because he earned it,,, being on a 2 fight (yes, 2 fight) win streak over the likes of tito and jardine should not equal a fight with rampage

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by Sterling Archer on May 14, 2011 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Doesn't matter

If he does well then he showed he earned it. Whether he got there by default or not. If he gets smoked, which I believe he will, then it shows that he definitely will never get to that level. He is ranked #17 which isn’t great but he definitely a tough test for most upcoming fighters. A test which Jones passed with ease despite the “loss”.

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by dedstrk316 on May 14, 2011 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

i say he gets smoked

brutal brutal ko…

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by Sterling Archer on May 14, 2011 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agree

He’s slower than molasses. Rampage should box him up with ease.

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by dedstrk316 on May 14, 2011 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

After he ran through Shogun. Jones will brutalize Evans with Strikes, and Elbows. I will honestly be surprised if Evans gets more then 15 strikes in.

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by RJshock 305 on May 14, 2011 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I really appreciate a good smh

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by Dave Strummer on May 14, 2011 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd say that means we both have excellent taste.

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by Dave Strummer on May 14, 2011 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is the most patently absurd thing I've ever heard

yeah, let’s cancel out his two highest caliber fights and then compare his resume to a guy who’s been competing at the top of the division for longer

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by Austin Martin on May 14, 2011 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Other than beating a top 10 fighter and the #1 LHW in the world

Jones’ resume is terrible.

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by SSreporters on May 14, 2011 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

trying to discount those two

and the manner in which he did them are a tall order

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by Sterling Archer on May 14, 2011 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

'is' a tall order?

meh…

like when to use ‘to’ or ‘too’

fuck english

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by Sterling Archer on May 14, 2011 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jones lost to Matt Freaking Hamill

Let’s hold off on the hype talk until he beats Anderson Silva at 185.

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by SSreporters on May 14, 2011 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

hahahahahaha

well done.

lost to hamill… youre a good sport

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by Sterling Archer on May 14, 2011 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

This article is seriously confusing

Bottomline is Jones has issues with his hand id say thats a big enuff reason to pull out of a fight. To be honest im not very interested in this matchup so its kind of like ehhh

by mortarz on May 14, 2011 3:22 PM EDT reply actions  

Are you really excusing Jones?

REALLY?!

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by Matthew Roth on May 14, 2011 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

does he deserve excusing?

and who needs this blockbuster matchup with these other great match ups lined up for the rest of the summ……..heeeeeeyy….waitamiunte….

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by Sterling Archer on May 14, 2011 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

no

just… no

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by Sterling Archer on May 14, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hate the term ducking, but....

one can’t honestly believe there’s not an agenda being played to here, besides circumstance?

If it’s one giant troll against Rashad Evans, that is both incredibly impressive and extremely childish. If it’s just a serious clusterfuck of PR and flapping jaws, good god. How would anyone consider working with this guy already, let alone moving forward? If it’s a duck, not many of us will be privy to that inside loop of knowledge…. any-which-way we’ll all just sit back and enjoy the bumpy UFC summer ride together.

by SteveevaD on May 14, 2011 3:33 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

You really thing Jones is ducking Rashad?

Jones is the one who said he’d fight Rashad in the first place.

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by Wrestling Uber Alles on May 14, 2011 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

whatever his intentions, he certainly f’d over Rashad and is looking like a giant douche. It doesn’t matter what his reasons are.
He should freakin fight Rashad in 8 wks

by Robust23 on May 14, 2011 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Malki and Jones are trying to kill two birds with one stone. Rashad waited so long for a shot at the belt. Jones’ little ploy screwed him out of another year without a title shot. Meantime, Malki gets to posture for PPV% points. I have to imagine Dana is pissed. These guys are fucking with his business for their own kicks. He should let the rest of Malki’s fighters know they are going to be in Facebook prelim fights till they drop him.

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by memitim on May 14, 2011 3:36 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

I actually don’t think Dana is pissed. He already said that he spoke to the doctor’s and there definitely was an injury.

by Robust23 on May 14, 2011 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, that was before all this. Check in with him after he just lost the Brock/JDS fight, Maynard/Edgar, and now Jones isn’t having the surgery after the fight has already been canceled. I bet you will get a different reaction.

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by memitim on May 14, 2011 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why consider this mismanagement?

The old saying is that the only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about. Jones is probably making enough from his sponsors, personal appearance fees, etc., that he’s not at risk of going broke from being idle a little longer. Meanwhile, developing the “heel” or “phony” or “coward” persona is a great way to increase the click rate on stories about him and the buy rate on the eventual PPV when he does fight. So, great, more people will buy the PPVs because many would consider it satisfying to see him lose.

by Scabby Knuckle on May 14, 2011 3:37 PM EDT reply actions  

One of the great lies in this world that still gets repeated “there’s no such thing as bad press”

Yeah…there REALLY, REALLY is.

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by Brent Brookhouse on May 14, 2011 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with you about there being such a thing as bad press, but I don’t know that it can be as detrimental in fighting as in, say, politics or entertainment. Well, at least when it comes to top 10 fighters that might be true, since guys outside the top 10 could get arrested and it would scarcely matter to anyone.

Just as in novels, it’s so much whether you like or dislike a main character. What matters is that you feel strongly one way or another in the first place and develop what feels like a vested interest in the success or failure of the character. Brock Lesnar is a prime example of a guy who elicits polar extremes of fan sentiment and draws enormous interest for more than just his athletic capabilities.

by Scabby Knuckle on May 14, 2011 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is definitely true, but it’s worth noting that Jones isn’t doing anything that is negative in such a way as to eliminate buys and potential dollar signs. He’s getting bad press in such a way as to increase eyeballs and scrutiny, be it from people who want to see him lose, and people who want to see if he CAN lose.

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by James Brady on May 14, 2011 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mitrione is a genius

Matt Mitrione made the best business decision of his life dropping Malki. Good for him! Hopefully i can’t be banned for management bashing but Malki Kawa is a fucking idiot!

by OrionUlrich on May 14, 2011 3:39 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Making this a bigger deal than it is. It's Jone's own choices that ake him look like a douche

Jon Jones changed his mind is basically the entire story. He wanted the surgery now he doesn’t.
He f’d over Rashad Evans in the process and doesn’t wanna fight him now and thus is coming of as a douche.
Regardless of what Malki Kawa says those are the facts. It’s his own choices that make him a douche not his managers.

by Robust23 on May 14, 2011 3:41 PM EDT reply actions  

Look, Jones doesn’t have to actually be ducking Evans for it to look like Jones is ducking Evans.

Exactly. Jones just has a manager that doesn’t know how to manage his fighter, or the press. I’d be immensely surprised if Jones was actually scared to fight Evans. Who, might I add, isn’t as good of a wrestler, striker, has a five inch height disadvantage, and a ten inch reach disadvantage. He’d be nuts to be scared of Evans.

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by T.C. Engel on May 14, 2011 3:57 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

hey hey hey

dont be displaying facts in a place like this… some on this board dont know how to process them

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by Sterling Archer on May 14, 2011 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, oh, sorry.

Rashad would crush Jones, he's ducking him! He unlocked the secret to beating Jones at Jackson's!
Better?;)

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by T.C. Engel on May 14, 2011 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

the Ban font

never makes anything better :p

Conducting an experiment on knocking people out in particular ways would be unethical.

by Chris Hall on May 14, 2011 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm confused

Two months ago I was being told on this forum that Evans was scared to fight Jones because of his whole “friends don’t fight friends” thing, but now apparently it’s Jones afraid to fight the smaller guy who was knocked out a couple fights ago,
 I can’t believe that it could be that fickle fans bum-rushing from one side of the opinion boat to the other based on tweets, now could it?

by Dootch on May 14, 2011 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Everything about this is just sad

Petulant fans went from hating on Rashad for no real reason (oh no, he grabs his crotch!) only to turn on Jones and now stick by Rashad. It’s so tiring.

by Gitaroo_Dude on May 14, 2011 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

If this isn't ducking I don't know what is...

This makes the Diaz vs Mayhem thing seem like it was nothing.

If Jones simply changed his mind about the surgery, they wouldn’t be resisting the idea of putting the Evans – Jones fight back together.

Question is, why are they ducking Evans? It’s not like Jones can’t beat him.

It’s like one big f-you move. Only it’s not just an f-you to Evans, it’s an f-you to Dana, the UFC and the MMA fans as well.

I am seriously disgusted by this situation.

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by Peter Nathaniel Fury on May 14, 2011 3:59 PM EDT reply actions  

yea yea yea all jonesyboy got to do is win in

spectacular fashion(semi spectacular even) and alot of us will forget this little incident.. if he wins and his star grows big enough his new mainstream fans arent even going to care about past alleged ducking or w/e.. now on to bigger news…. “return of the dragon” is on (i dont remember seeing so many soccer kicks last time i seen it!!)

by HeadKckGdnight on May 14, 2011 4:16 PM EDT reply actions  

Nah, there is a whole segment of fans that are turned off to Jones and will be for a long time to come because of this bs. But, we will be tuning in in anticipation of watching him get put to sleep. Maybe after that he will learn some humility.

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by memitim on May 14, 2011 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think he needs to learn any humility. Why would he? In the modern era of MMA, his ascent is almost unheard of.

Haters are really, just going to hate.

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by Austin Martin on May 14, 2011 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not just humility. How about just being professional? Ever since he had the spotlight thrust on him he has completely disappointed except in the cage. I guess that is all that matters but I’m already done with his nonsense. He is approaching pariah status fast.

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by memitim on May 14, 2011 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

He isn't even 24!!!!

Not everyone can be GSP or say the right things all the time. I think his performances have earned him the chip on his shoulder. I can be a fan of a fighter because of who he is outside the cage, but I can also be a fan of what he does INSIDE the cage, regardless of who he is outside. And that is where I stand with Jones.

And you can say NOTHING of his professionalism. Every interview I’ve seen with him in a non-MMA outlet makes him out to be a very well spoken and articulate representative of the sport. This situation is not professional, but it is not his fault. He has absolutely never had to manage each word that comes from his mouth to this degree yet, and he’ll learn.

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by Austin Martin on May 14, 2011 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

good point

only the die hards are aware of his holier than thou image… i know many casuals that still think hes the second coming of chuck in the cage with the perception of randy outside it….

oh, how wrong they are… who am i to spoil that for them..?

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by Sterling Archer on May 14, 2011 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

The same can be said about only the die hards ragging on Rashad but the whole arena booed him after the Jones fight when he entered the cage. It gets around a lot quicker than you think.

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by memitim on May 14, 2011 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

nah, rashad has always been heel-esque

atleast in my circle of friends, and im the only one deeply entrenched. they dont even watch countdown shows, just ppvs (on my dime!)

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by Sterling Archer on May 14, 2011 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

And Jones is becoming heel-esque but in a kind of sneaky, snake-like kind of way. Watch what happens if he does face Rampage or another big fan favorite.

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by memitim on May 14, 2011 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

C’mon. This bs he pulled with Rashad is professional? Please. It is bush league nonsense and immature.
I enjoy watching Jones fight but I will enjoy even more when he is staring at the ceiling wondering what the hell just happened.

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by memitim on May 14, 2011 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good luck with that

What is immature is the insistence that he’s “ducking” Rashad when it’s far more likely that he truthfully is injured and the situation is just mishandled in the public relations sense. As if Jones has anything, at all, to fear from Rashad.

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by Austin Martin on May 14, 2011 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not fear. Just fucking with him and making him wait another year for a title shot he deserves now. It’s bullshit. You want to cheer for him, fine. Enjoy. But, it is still a bush league move. Plain and simple and I hope Dana buries every other Malki fighter till they drop him.

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by memitim on May 14, 2011 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

truthfully injured....

with an injury that, according to him, affects neither his grappling nor his striking

by trickthethaifighter on May 14, 2011 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Here we go again...

memetim the first to defend M1’s BS, like pulling Fedor for no damn reason whenever they needed to “rework” contracts. But always the first to call out Jones’ similar situation.

by Dr.WavvyCrockett on May 14, 2011 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Uhmm, there was a reason. His hand was broken and I have always said M-1 was sleazy in hiding an injury and using it as an opportunity to rework their contract. I guess you missed that part. just pick out what works for your narrative.

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by memitim on May 14, 2011 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

No...

Actually you’ve claimed again and again that M1 was “building a legacy”. Also, what was your excuse for Fedor never fighting Overeem (before he got smashed)?

The only narrative here is how much of a hypocrite you are when it comes to Jones, versus your man crush Fedor.

by Dr.WavvyCrockett on May 14, 2011 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

You’re a waste of time. I can go thru it all and explain it, as I have with you a dozen times, and you will still repeat the same bullshit. I’m not feeding the troll. Sorry dude, move on.

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by memitim on May 14, 2011 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you could point me to some previous posts

where you were as hard on Fedor/M1 as you are on a Jones (the guy who took a title fight on 6 weeks), maybe that would resolve this. As a matter of fact I’d offer an apology.

by Dr.WavvyCrockett on May 14, 2011 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

There are countless times I have criticized M-1. Especially Vadim. Just because I have defended them on other occasions doesn’t mean I still acknowledge the many things wrong with Vadim and his management of Fedor and M-1. You can go back as far as a fan post I did last September. In it I clearly call Vadim a coward and a liar about things he said in the past. I have also called them sleazy for using his hand injury to rework their contract.
And for the thousandth time, Fedor never ducked Reem. It was always supposed to be a build up to his third fight with Strikeforce on PPV. It is not remotely like this situation with Jones.
So, for the umpteenth time I have explained this again. Happy?

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by memitim on May 14, 2011 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

in all honesty

EVERY pro athlete is arrogant some know how to play to the media better than others the humble fighter schtick is B.S. they have to be quocky alot of other sports have teams combat athletes are in a ring or cage with someone of equal or higher skill you cant lack confidence going against someone trained to separate you from your sense.. even super respectful thai fighters are quocky they dont tlk tho you have to just look at the way they move their body language ooze arrogance and alpha male “this is my ring” type attitude

by HeadKckGdnight on May 14, 2011 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

True

Because if Shogun gets outclassed everywhere, then you just know there are LHWs lining up to KO Jones.

I suppose this where you argue Dan’s H-Bomb will level Jones, or the M-1 LHW champ will be Jones’ undoing.

Do people even watch Rashad? He has great TDs with average top control and a questionable gas tank. Given his reach disadvantage, how is that the blueprint to beat Jones? I still feel like an Ishii with ah head on his shoulders was the kind of style matchup to compete with Jones, but he’s a nut and quit MMA.

by Gitaroo_Dude on May 14, 2011 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Truth.

Also, boo Vera and Hammil, despite the fact that Jones absolutely mauled both in ways no one else had. Irrelevant wins. Rashad struggling with Forrest and Liddel then landing the KO punch? We’ve found Jones’ kryptonite.

I can’t believe I’m even bagging on Rashad, because I’ve liked him longer than most of these guys hopping on his bandwagon.

by Gitaroo_Dude on May 14, 2011 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I guess you missed Fabricio’s mauling of Vera.

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by memitim on May 14, 2011 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I did along

Along with Gabe.

But I still think Jones’ was in its own category of viciousness. That elbow was straight from Hell.

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They dont call them Hellbows for nothing.

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by RJshock 305 on May 14, 2011 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I suppose this where you argue Dan’s H-Bomb will level Jones, or the M-1 LHW champ will be Jones’ undoing

.
Yeah, that’s where I’m going to go with it. Please, if you going to attempt to stereotype me at least get it right.

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by memitim on May 14, 2011 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

The thing to me is, that Jones deserves a little time off after the Shogun fight

he had camps for a #1 contenders fight AND a title fight within the span of what, four months? Even if his hand didn’t affect the phases of his game, it had to at least be uncomfortable. He earned the right to see doctors and decide if it was worth it to get surgery after that amount of training.

Rashad is partly at fault for this situation because its HIM who decided to sit out in the prime of his career, waiting for a title fight and risking the possibility of getting injured. Jones owes nothing to the fans, or Rashad, that would put the longevity of his career at risk. Rashad is the person who chose to wait during the prime of his career, and this is probably why he doesn’t want to quit camp for Davis and wait for Jones at this point

Not only this, but at the highest levels of the sport, an 8 week camp is not just an 8 week camp. No doubt Jones has probably risen to his natural body weight that we’ve heard hovers around 235 or more. After the Bader fight, he was (relatively) uninjured and already in shape for camp and in the proper weight cutting range. For title fights, the last thing one wants to worry about is cutting weight in camp while properly feeding your body. He would probably need a month to a month and a half to get to the correct weight range where it’s purely maintenance until time to start cutting. So we’re looking at 3 to 3.5 months before he can fight, which is not August 6th.

Everyone needs to stop putting endless pressure on this guy and realize that the only mistake he’s made is not satisfying the insatiable appetite of MMA media and fans. He’s a young kid and wants to perform at his best, and not cave to our bloodthirst, and I completely respect that.

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by Austin Martin on May 14, 2011 4:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Here’s the thing though. They already said right after the Shogun fight that Jones deserved a little extra time off before his first title defense, thus making the Rashad fight tentatively for about September – October. This was before any of this surgery BS.. so nobody was expecting them to make him fight Rashad right away, it was understood that they were giving him a few extra months since he had two fights so close together.

And then this whole injury charade started.. which by the way, I called BS on then too, because that surgery and recovery they talked about would take no longer than 8 weeks before he could train at 100%, thus allowing him to have a full camp and still fight Rashad in say October. So already then that was a bit suspicious to me, and I couldn’t understand why the original proposed timetable for a fall fight couldn’t happen with his minor hand surgery thing.

What happens next is they book this lame Rashad – Davis fight.. and then of course once the Davis fight has been booked and starting to settle in, Jones and Kawa come back and say “hey guys, we didn’t need surgery after all! we will be fighting in the fall but not against Rashad”. So now the situation REALLY stinks, it reeks, it’s putrid BS. I don’t see how anyone can look at all of this and not think that it’s a massive clusterfuck of mismanagement by Kawa, and it’s damn sure looking like Jones is ducking Rashad, which doesn’t make any sense since it’s the biggest fight the UFC has on the horizon and should be of great interest to everyone.

To me it’s just very frustrating, they have this perfect storyline for the fight and has began building steam for it, I was getting pumped for it and now it looks like it might not happen? For no apparent good reason at all? It’s just too stupid. I sincerely hope mr White puts his foot down and damn well forces Jones to fight Rashad first thing before anything else.

by Horselover Fat on May 14, 2011 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

No one is giving him flack for wanting more time off. If he said he didn’t want to fight until the fall, no one would fault him. His camp has handled this whole situation like a bunch of amateurs though.

by Mike Fagan on May 14, 2011 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

agreed

its not the time off, its the reasoning for the order of operations…

monkey fucking a frisbee comes to mind

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by Sterling Archer on May 14, 2011 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

But the precedence has become "let's take it out on the fighter!"

when it’s a clear case of his manager and PR team being a clusterfuck of morons.

And would Rashad really want to take a title fight after close to a year and a half layoff?

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by Austin Martin on May 14, 2011 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

His management represents...

The fighter.

He HIRED them to do that. Why would he hire people to make decisions he doesn’t approve of?

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by Sergio Hernandez on May 14, 2011 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well considering

that his management got him to a title shot, when did you think he was gonna find fault in their management style? They’d have to screw up before he figures out they are incompetent, right?

by proflex on May 15, 2011 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

his management didnt get him the shot

uncle dana called and made it happen, not a whole lot of ‘managing’ going on there

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by Sterling Archer on May 15, 2011 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Swerve

Why do I think this is going to culminate in Rashad and Jones coaching opposite each other on TUF?

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by thetakeover on May 14, 2011 4:19 PM EDT reply actions  

yet you know if you hold on

he will do some crazy fight ending shit that will make it all better

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by Sterling Archer on May 14, 2011 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I still don’t understand why they pulled out of the fight 3 weeks before meeting the surgeon and getting this last opinion.

by Phildo on May 14, 2011 4:28 PM EDT reply actions  

The Rahsad - Jones fight needs to happen now!!

I totally agreed with the last articles about a bad PPV summer and poor TUF ratings this fight needs to happen. The UFC needs a big blockbuster PPV this summer I’m sure DW will convince the two to make it happen.

by Coeman on May 14, 2011 4:35 PM EDT reply actions  

I’m surprised Jones doesn’t claim he is just doing everything he can to avoid fighting a friend. He should move to California and become an apartment complex handyman, only returning to face Evans when he learns that Greg Jackson is dying.

by Finian1 on May 14, 2011 4:46 PM EDT reply actions  

Whatever reasons you want to put on it, or dismiss

Jones is avoiding a matchup with Evans. This is called ducking.

by warren305 on May 14, 2011 5:09 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

ducking means hes afraid

is this what youre alleging?

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by Sterling Archer on May 14, 2011 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually

Ducking means to evade, or dodge, a situation or person in which one doesn’t want to deal with. So technically he is ducking Rashad.

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by dedstrk316 on May 14, 2011 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

fair enough

i concede that one

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by Sterling Archer on May 14, 2011 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can guarantee

He’s not afraid of Rashad though.

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by dedstrk316 on May 14, 2011 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

i feel like weve accomplished something.

time for scotch.

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by Sterling Archer on May 14, 2011 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rum and Coke was the drink of choice for my evening

I have to get up in a few hours to go to work. Can’t get to out of control.

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by dedstrk316 on May 14, 2011 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hope you are trolling or kidding when you say that.

Give me two reasons why Jones should be afraid to fight evans.

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by RJshock 305 on May 14, 2011 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s not about being afraid. It’s about screwing Rashad out of a title shot for another year. You can duck for more reasons than just fear. He can do it just to be a prick.

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by memitim on May 14, 2011 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

At least Jones fought for the belt...

Fedor ducked Alistair for how many years? Yet Jones’ pulls a suspect move and you can’t wait to get the “he’s ducking” meme rolling.

by Dr.WavvyCrockett on May 14, 2011 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, he ducked Overeem for years, please. You sound ridiculous. He joined Strikeforce in 2009. Reem was doing K-1 at the end of 2009. Then Reem had a K-1 commitment in April of 2010 and Fedor was committed to Werdum since December of 2009. Get your facts straight before you come at me with that nonsense.

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by memitim on May 14, 2011 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

LOL

Alistair committed to K1 only AFTER Fedor’s management refused to give him the fight. Then called him out AFTER he was committed to K1. You don’t remember or you just want to forget?

by Dr.WavvyCrockett on May 14, 2011 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wrong. Move along troll. Nice chatting.

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by memitim on May 14, 2011 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

No, he’s not. Fedor never ducked Reem. The plan was always to have Fedor fight Reem in his third fight, which was supposed to be on PPV. The two of them were supposed to be on a CBS card together against Werdum and Rogers respectively and it was supposed to build to their PPV bout. Fedor’s hand got hurt in a Sambo tournament and M-1 sleazily used the injury to rework their contract. Reek fought in K-1 in April then beat Rogers. If Fedor beat Werdum then the two were supposed to meet in the fall on PPV, per Fedor’s contract. He lost to Werdum, the rest is history.
It is nowhere near agreeing to a fight. Pulling out for surgery, waiting till Sugar is signed to fight Davis, and then coming out saying that he is not going to have the surgery and will fight that year. Just not against Sugar. They are not remotely analogous.

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by memitim on May 14, 2011 7:36 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

1.He doesn't think he can beat him

2.He wants to make him wait to play with his head
3. In his own mind he feels bad about the situation and doesn’t want to deal with it
4. Holding out for more money
5. Just doesn’t want to

Its no coincidence that he pursued in out for this fight, instead of any other fight. If the hand is the same as its been since college, and requiring surgery, its way too convenient to decide to take time off to handle it now. I mean, personally believe what you want about Jones as an individual. This guy had a fight with a former mentor, decided to take in out for the fight, then had doctors come in and say that there’s no way he needs surgery. Would you think it was ducking if tito ortiz did it, or bisping or anyone that you don’t think is unbeatable?

by warren305 on May 14, 2011 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

In his own mind he feels bad about the situation and doesn’t want to deal with it

This is what I feel is actually happening. I think he knows he fucked up and Jackson is trying to patch things up and this entire thing is out of hand. Evans will never accept any kind of reconciliation though.

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by dedstrk316 on May 14, 2011 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lol

If tito ortiz pulled out of a fight with Chuck Liddell in the exact same sequence of events, what would you say? If Rashad Evans pulled out of this same fight, and the exact sequence of events happened, what would you say. Just because you think Evans has nothing for Jones and its a foregone conclusion, doesn’t mean he does.

L.O.L.

by warren305 on May 14, 2011 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is this in response to me

"I will do nothing lightly. When I walk, I will walk heavily. When I fight, I will fight with conviction. When I speak, I will speak strongly. When I love, I will love with everything"

by dedstrk316 on May 14, 2011 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

No

Archer and RJ, just keeping the line moving. I like symmetry.

by warren305 on May 14, 2011 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I didn't think so

Sorry. I was confused. Time to drink and get my mind right.

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by dedstrk316 on May 14, 2011 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

when did i say its a foregone conclusion?

dont get me wrong, i do think that, but those thoughts are for me, i dont type them in black and white because ‘anything can happen in a fight’

did you break into my mind and steal my thoughts? get out of there, you damn well better not have planted anything in there either….

wheres my totem??

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by Sterling Archer on May 14, 2011 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lol, i tried but my ex-wife kept materializing and kicking me in the balls

The ‘foregone conclusion’ part really isn’t the point, and I’m not saying he’s scared of Evans, but he is ducking him.

The kicker for me is that he’s not pursuing the fight now that his surgery is off. He had a fight on with the guy, the biggest fight on the UFC’s radar at this point, and he waits until his opponent lines up another fight and say, ‘nevermind about that surgery thing I said, but you guys fight first and then I’ll fight you’ come’on….

by warren305 on May 14, 2011 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jon Jones is a monster

Don’t get me wrong. But this smells like horse hsit

by warren305 on May 14, 2011 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

no problems with any of that

im a jbj fan, but i agree this stinks to high heavens. i will however continue to defend that its not because hes scared of evans. whether its bad pr fumble or hes doing it to fuck evans with mind bullets….whatever that case may be it sucks, i just dont think its because hes scared of suga

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by Sterling Archer on May 14, 2011 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

...

".He still has a ground game that seems heavily dependent on lying still and hoping that his opponent won't notice his very kimura-able arm..."

by dancingChicken on May 14, 2011 5:25 PM EDT reply actions  

Yaaaaaaaawn....(smack) (smack)...[Rubs eyes....reads article headline and first 3 sentences]

…………(falls immediately asleep into a deep coma) Wake me when something with substance happens

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Cheick Kongo looks like a cross between Evander Holyfield and pop singer Seal!
Melvin Guilard looks like a little Kevin Randelman!
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by Jonnycaz2.0 on May 14, 2011 5:39 PM EDT reply actions  

yeah, the marketability of the best young fighter in the sport is worth nothing.

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by Brent Brookhouse on May 14, 2011 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I didn’t “chide you for a contradicting opinion.” I chided you for being a dick. If all you can do is come into an article and bitch that you don’t want to read it, you’re being a dick.

And then…you know…what ninjames said

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by Brent Brookhouse on May 15, 2011 7:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

easy bro

that was funny and all, but brent is in my opinion one of the better talents on this site, and he tries on a daily basis to provide us with something to discuss. i think he does a good job.

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by Sterling Archer on May 14, 2011 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

that was funny and all

Well.. no, not really.

by Horselover Fat on May 14, 2011 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

ok maybe not funny

but an admirable attempt to use the keyboard to its fullest

no one can ever take that away from him

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by Sterling Archer on May 14, 2011 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

You really are too kind, sir. Maybe I will try it out too some day.

by Horselover Fat on May 14, 2011 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes, yes we all are

fans and pundits alike, yes we are

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by Sterling Archer on May 14, 2011 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thats lame

This Guy is a HELLUVA professional fighter with nothing to gain from faking an injury

by mortarz on May 14, 2011 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

except a PPV % clause in his payout

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by duck on May 14, 2011 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

who knows?

his camp has already admitted that he could have fought with the injury, it doesnt effect his ability to fight in any capacity. he however pulls out to have the surgery.. and now, hes not having it…so…

whats the deal holyfield?

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by Sterling Archer on May 14, 2011 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

How does having a hand injury NOT affect your fighting?

I mean I know he could have fought with the injury but obviously it bothers him and I’m sure he’d rather fight Evans at 100% no?

by mortarz on May 14, 2011 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

because he said

it doesnt effect his ability to fight

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by Sterling Archer on May 14, 2011 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

what?
“This is an injury that’s been recurring since I was a college wrestler, it doesn’t affect my punching or grappling, but I am taking the time and the proper measures to correct this now, so that it doesn’t happen again. I look forward to getting back to training and to my first title defense. As for Rashad, let’s see what happens with Phil Davis. I will be watching that fight with great interest.”

http://www.mmamania.com/2011/4/26/2133933/jon-jones-issues-statement-on-hand-injury-that-forced-him-to-withdraw

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by Sterling Archer on May 14, 2011 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know people don't usually go around

getting surgery done on themselves and then rehabbing because they think it’s alot of fun. I’m led to believe Jones should just get it done and move on. I know it’s ruining alot peoples dreams of seeing Evans getting TKO’d but that’ll have to wait.

by mortarz on May 14, 2011 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

so...

now your saying jones is just kidding and does need the surgery and it does affect his punching and grappling?

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by Sterling Archer on May 14, 2011 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

not a huge fan of Rashad, at all

but the man deserves the title shot next. the UFC either has to make the fight in 12 weeks or force Jones hand. in my mind, it’s only fair.

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by F'n Clownshoes on May 14, 2011 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

this

i can fully get behind

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by Sterling Archer on May 14, 2011 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

why not, right? Phil gets his time off that we were all going on about when this fight was made, Rashad waits 4 more weeks rather than 6 months,and Jones has a full camp. Win, Win, Win.

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by F'n Clownshoes on May 14, 2011 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

am I being complimented or dismissed?

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by F'n Clownshoes on May 14, 2011 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

he has a fun toy out

generally a good thing

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by Sterling Archer on May 14, 2011 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

But, that was always the plan. If you remember Dana was targeting September/October for Rashad/Jones. Then Jones bagged out of the fight all together saying he needed surgery. He never planned on fighting Evans. He even said he would fake an injury, just now it is for different reasons.

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by memitim on May 14, 2011 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

its fair to say

you are looking forward to jbj getting his lights turned out

its equally fair to say im a huge fan of his in ring dominance

so, who do you think is the answer to the riddle?
honest question.

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by Sterling Archer on May 14, 2011 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Like I said, I love watching Bones fight. No one is remotely like him. But, even though he is devastating with his stand up he is also sloppy and doesn’t have KO power yet. There are a lot of mistakes he couldn’t get away with with guys like Machida or Rampage. One of those spinning elbows gets timed right and it’s lights out. But, my dark horse always has and will be Roger Gracie. There is no one remotely with his ground skills and no way for Jones to prepare for him. He makes even the slightest mistake on the ground and it’s over.

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by memitim on May 14, 2011 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

interesting

so you have jones over rasahd?

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by Sterling Archer on May 14, 2011 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I do. His strengths are Rashad’s strengths and he is better at them. I don’t think Rashad would last that long with him.

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by memitim on May 14, 2011 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

homie, Archer just gave you a direct quote from the injured man in question. Your argumen’t got a leg to stand on

by Robust23 on May 14, 2011 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

i know...

im still at a standing 8 count over the fact that he rebuttled my direct and detailed quote from jones regarding the exact situation (with a link to support) with…

I don’t know people don’t usually go around
getting surgery done on themselves and then rehabbing because they think it’s alot of fun

im literally wobbly in the knees from that comment

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by Sterling Archer on May 14, 2011 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

he said if I'm not mistaken

paraphrase; does not effect my grappling or striking, but……..
something to that effect, if correct than no , it does not.

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by F'n Clownshoes on May 14, 2011 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

sigh....

The tiniest bit of reading of the article or an understanding of the facts surrounding this would save everyone a ton of irritation.

by Lodz on May 14, 2011 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've read the article

There is nothing about money or any quotes from Jones here. Just criticizing how Kawa is handling it so…

by mortarz on May 14, 2011 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

You are jumping around like crazy. Take a breath, concentrate on one thing at a time, and when you have grasped that one, move on to the next. If you really think I am going to spend my time explaining this whole thing to you you are crazy. Do the legwork and reading yourself like a big boy.

by Lodz on May 14, 2011 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

this website has articles?

i thought it just had comments sections to hurl factless allegations and topped with insults

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by Sterling Archer on May 14, 2011 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

i love reading my own posts

and checking the time stamps on each watching my spelling and grammar swirl down the toilet with the more scotch i consume

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by Sterling Archer on May 14, 2011 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

This one is far too precise

More Scotch!!!

Conducting an experiment on knocking people out in particular ways would be unethical.

by Chris Hall on May 14, 2011 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

hahahah

i reread it 3 times ti make sure!!

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by Sterling Archer on May 14, 2011 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

to*

dammit.

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by Sterling Archer on May 14, 2011 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

much better sir

Conducting an experiment on knocking people out in particular ways would be unethical.

by Chris Hall on May 14, 2011 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

no, well perhaps

first he has a nagging injury that doesn’t really affect his game that he wants to fix. (as champ I can understand this) because of this the Rashad fight is scrapped, again, no problem there. now, he is opting not to have his surgery but is refusing to re-u and fight Rashad. either he is ducking, dicking around w/ Rashad, or he wants something from the UFC, i.e. money.

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by F'n Clownshoes on May 14, 2011 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not the seriousness of the injury. The intentions. He cancels his fight with Rashad to have surgery. Rashad signs to fight Davis. Jones announces he isn’t having the surgery and will fight this year, just not Rashad. Which means he screws Rashad out of a title shot that is rightfully his for another year. I think that about sums it up.

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by memitim on May 14, 2011 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

nice article

if this is really about money, why is he doing it now? as awesome as jon jones is, it seems a little premature. right now the UFC could basically cut him and what would he do – go to bellator?

who knows what jones is thinking, i guess. extremely disappointed that we aren’t going to see evans/jones, however.

by Clifford J on May 14, 2011 5:57 PM EDT reply actions  

So the UFC would cut Jon Jones?

Seriously? I thought the UFC was supposed to House the best fighters on the planet not cut them.

by mortarz on May 14, 2011 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

HA

DO You realize how foolish that would be for the UFC to Cut Jon Jones. He is the biggest star they have. Undefeated, Demolished everyone put in front of him, ONLY 23 years old, and hasnt even entered his prime as an athlete or fighter. In 3-4 years when he is to big to cut to LHW he will take some time off bulk up and proceed to Destroy the HW division. Jones vs Overeem would be one hell of a fight.

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by RJshock 305 on May 14, 2011 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

He is FAR from the biggest star they have...

But in short order could and should be. Which makes Kawa’s handling of the situation all the more surreal.

by Lodz on May 14, 2011 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

You got two strikes...

Already, have swing for three?

He is the biggest star they have. Undefeated

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by Sergio Hernandez on May 14, 2011 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's Fedor undefeated

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by Neil Manich on May 14, 2011 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

That should definitely...

Become something that is said.

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by Sergio Hernandez on May 14, 2011 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fedor got hit with an illegal strike and lost

Jones hit a guy with an illegal strike and lost

I know what you’re saying, but the situations are pretty much opposites.

/nitpick

by Tedd Welch on May 14, 2011 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

actually, now more than ever, it would be a smart move for the UFC

now I don’t think they would or should, but I can see how cutting a young fighter with the potential for global super stardom could be a smart move now, before he gets to big in the eyes of the casuals, media, and money makers (corporate sponsors)

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by F'n Clownshoes on May 14, 2011 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jones is their LHW Champ and has dominated that division

what kind of ridiculous trend is that setting? So we can have Fedor 2.0 type situation of a guy who is CLEARLY the class of his division outside the UFC?

by mortarz on May 14, 2011 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

focus on what I am saying

Jones is young and either dumb or a manipulative genius. the UFC needs to keep the fighters they have in line. It’s what they do. Jones has not yet come close to being a draw like Lesnar, GSP, or even Forrest.
Where exactly will Jones fight? 2 dominating fights over nobodies in some B level promotion? Bellator, please. (although his idiot mgr might push him that way) Regardless, after either scenario ends Jones comes back to the bigs w/ tail properly forced between his legs, knowing, without a shadow of a doubt, who’s the boss.
Again, I stress this is me playing the role of Dana and Co.

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by F'n Clownshoes on May 14, 2011 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cutting a champion isn't a trend they want to set

If it’s more money he wants then pay him. Why even give Bellator a chance to house both Alvarez AND Jones? That would be ridiculous. Bellator isn’t Strikeforce yet I don’t see why they’d give them a chance to be on that level where they are housing top tier talent. Minus Jones the UFC could never say they house the best 205’er in the world.

by mortarz on May 14, 2011 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

the only folks who know Eddie or think he is one of the best......

is on this forum or others like this one. The point would be to make Jones see his mistakes, and sorry but paying him ain’t gonna do it.

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by F'n Clownshoes on May 14, 2011 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

The people who also pay Dana white and the UFC's bills are on this forum

I forget what Fagan said about the traffic this site generates but it’s a staggering number. IIRC in the millions. Bellator would for sure see a huge bump in ratings.

by mortarz on May 14, 2011 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

UFC brand would take a MASSIVE hit from that move.

Cutting Jones would be, literally, the dumbest fucking thing the UFC has ever done. Every single thing about that idea is completely stupid.

If the UFC wants to teach him a lesson, they keep his as champion and they don’t book him for anything. No appearances. Don’t put him in Unleased episodes. Remove him from the online catalog. But most importantly, don’t give him fights. Sure they lose out on PPV dollars from 205 title fights for a few months, but it won’t be long before Jones’ baby momma and their kids are asking daddy why they are have to buy Toaster Pops instead of pop tarts.

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by pdl on May 14, 2011 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

rec'd for toaster pops

Delicious!

Conducting an experiment on knocking people out in particular ways would be unethical.

by Chris Hall on May 14, 2011 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

so happy that you think i'm so f'n stupid.

keeping title fights off the shelf hurts the other top rated fighters at 205 does it not? PDL, I respect your opinion 99% of the time and recognize that you have some real knowledge about this game, but relax on the jeering for jeerings sake. I proposed this as an extreme. If this scenario really is Jones vying for clout, or loot, or power than it is not beyond Dana and Co. to eliminate the problem. While I agree that punishment would be the best opyion, I do not like the idea of punishing other fighters for his arrogance…..again this is assuming he is making a power play of sorts.
 I don’t generally toss insults around and try not to ever argue on a forum or discussion. I’m over it…

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by F'n Clownshoes on May 14, 2011 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I never insulted you.

You’re probably a guy with a real name with real friends who probably like you. Your latest idea was just really dumb. That was your Hula Burger. Lets see your filet o fish.

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by pdl on May 14, 2011 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

My filet would be Jones v Evans in 12 weeks rather than 8. Phil gets his time off like he originally had planned before stepping up for the UFC. Rashad doesn’t have to wait 6-9 months. Jones can’t bitch about a short camp. The fans get the fight that we all originally wanter, and the media gets to jump back on the “heated tension” between two former training partners……better?

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by F'n Clownshoes on May 14, 2011 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Much.

But that’s working under the assumption that Jones and Malki aren’t holding out for negotiations.

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by pdl on May 14, 2011 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

ah, well that's what i want

and I do think Johnny Bones and Malki are making some sort of play at PPV dollars in some capacity.

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by F'n Clownshoes on May 14, 2011 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

That boat have sailed already

when Jones signed a contract with the UFC. I don’t think DW will be played like that.

by Coeman on May 14, 2011 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

actually that's why I made my stupid comments.

i don’t think that how Jones and Malki are going about this i.e. jerking around w/ the UFC and frogstomping a potential huge PPV against Rashad.

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by F'n Clownshoes on May 14, 2011 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

continued…. will sit well w/ Dana and Co, which given his volatile nature and his perceived long leash might do something extreme as a form of punishment.

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by F'n Clownshoes on May 14, 2011 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Really

How does it make sense to cut a dominant and winning champion?

Conducting an experiment on knocking people out in particular ways would be unethical.

by Chris Hall on May 14, 2011 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

if it reiterates the UFC philosophy which is no fighter is bigger than the company, and they feel Jones doing something to change this dynamic than yes, it is. Oh, winning the belt in dominating fashion, but not defending it yet does not a dominant or even defending champion make.

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by F'n Clownshoes on May 14, 2011 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ok

we can change it to dominant fighter and current champion of their highlight division.

But in no way does it make sense to cut him while he’s winning . Especially while he’s ranked number 1, that would hurt the UFC’s reputation of the best of the best.

Conducting an experiment on knocking people out in particular ways would be unethical.

by Chris Hall on May 14, 2011 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just feel like if the UFC would not even come close to losing its status as the Bigs.

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by F'n Clownshoes on May 14, 2011 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

They wouldn't

But its still a horrible precedent to set.

Conducting an experiment on knocking people out in particular ways would be unethical.

by Chris Hall on May 14, 2011 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

i’m simply playing Devils advocate

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by F'n Clownshoes on May 14, 2011 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

But you're doing it with a completely unreasonable argument

Conducting an experiment on knocking people out in particular ways would be unethical.

by Chris Hall on May 14, 2011 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

what I’m trying to stress is that Dana and Co have done things that have set awful precedents in the past, and while I understand it would be a bad overall play for MMA as a whole Zuffa is, generally speaking more concerned w/ the UFC than they are MMA as a whole.

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by F'n Clownshoes on May 14, 2011 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

not to mention “mma as a whole” is a lot smaller playing field than it was six months ago, at least at an elite and relevant level.

by Lodz on May 14, 2011 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Strikeforce was also irrelevant before they got Fedor

If Jones goes to Bellator. Well that just might be the spark

by mortarz on May 14, 2011 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Strikeforce was also irrelevant before they got Fedor

If Jones goes to Bellator. Well that just might be the spark

by mortarz on May 14, 2011 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Strikeforce was also irrelevant before they got Fedor

If Jones goes to Bellator. Well that just might be the spark

by mortarz on May 14, 2011 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

It would damage the sport nevermind the UFC

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by SSreporters on May 14, 2011 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

not saying it does make sense

to be clear

just saying if they did, jones would be fucked becuase he’d have nowhere to go.

i would wait till i established my name more before i pulled that kind of brinksmanship if i was him.

by Clifford J on May 14, 2011 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Either Jones is actually ducking

Or this is a situation gone terribly wrong for him.

Either way, get this boy a fight, damnit!

Conducting an experiment on knocking people out in particular ways would be unethical.

by Chris Hall on May 14, 2011 6:15 PM EDT reply actions  

Personally

I don’t think this will be a big deal for Jones in the long run. Although it is an indication of the piss poor management he employs.

It really sucks more for Rashad but a win over Davis still leaves him in good position for contendersip. A loss there would be pretty devastating for him I would think.

Conducting an experiment on knocking people out in particular ways would be unethical.

by Chris Hall on May 14, 2011 6:22 PM EDT reply actions  

maybe jones is ducking evans

out of respect for evans. He and his coach know evans would get blown out so they are pulling this stunt so the fight wont happen. Lets not forget before all this drama went down these guys were really close.

by TaylorMaysCantCover on May 14, 2011 6:55 PM EDT reply actions  

id say it fairly safe to say

this is not the reason

Jonny Bench called.

by Sterling Archer on May 14, 2011 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

That makes sense, make Rashad leave his camp, THEN pull out of the fight because he respects him.

by Phildo on May 14, 2011 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jon wanted Rashad’s locker and this was the only way to get it.

by Tedd Welch on May 14, 2011 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

and rashad always got the best parking too.

by Lodz on May 14, 2011 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

definitely not the reason.

by Lodz on May 14, 2011 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

They were never really close.

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by James Brady on May 15, 2011 3:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

And the big winner in the end is ...

… Imperial Athletics, who is using Rashad’s presence there to lure other big-name fighters into joining them: Anthony Johnson has already done so, and no doubt more will follow.

And now Jackson’s and Imperial have a dandy little rivalry going, as Johnson is fighting Nate Marquardt, and Jorge Santiago is fighting Brian Stann, in addition to the Jones-Evans fight, if it actually ends up happening.

by CalicoTomcat on May 15, 2011 4:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

This is tedious, very tedious.

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by RolloTomasi on May 14, 2011 7:43 PM EDT reply actions  

A perfect way to kill career momentum

I see Jon Jones as being like a friendlier Mike Tyson. Fast rise to popularity, very young when taking the title, incredibly brutal fighting style, intimidating other fighters. Part of that is self-reassurance, though, the hope that one day Jones will face his Buster Douglas / Holyfield.

This dilly-dallying around the Rashad fight sets a very bad precedent. Whether this is all from his management or just him, he needs to put his foot down and say “Yeah okay, I’ll fight Rashad”.

by Pyrgz Krum on May 14, 2011 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

It really looks like Jones is ducking Rashad

as silly as that sounds.

UFC should put Jones vs Rashad back on schedule, Phil Davies needs another fight before he can face someone of Rashad’s caliber.

by elmojo on May 14, 2011 10:08 PM EDT reply actions  

They should just build Jones a stadium in upstate New York and get this over with.

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by Rundownloser on May 15, 2011 12:14 AM EDT reply actions  

Malki Kawa...

Is not someone who I’ve gotten a good impression from both times I’ve been in the same room with him. First, he creepily hits on Kenda Perez, second time, he acts really immature and arrogant when he was asked, very nicely, to keep his voice down while an interview was going on close by. Mitrione’s comments only further cement how inept the dude is at his job.

by Mustafa G on May 15, 2011 12:25 AM EDT reply actions  

Mishandling this?

Jones’ management team are effin’ geniuses!

Now they’re gonna get Rashad pulled out of the Phil Davis fight, and instead make Rashad wait for Jones to come back, maybe until November.

How can Rashad possibly be expected to beat an opponent twice his size off an 18-month layoff?

Jones will literally go off as a 20-1 favorite – and when the fight happens, don’t blink. Rashad will be lucky if he lasts longer than Chad Ochocinco did on that bull.

by CalicoTomcat on May 15, 2011 12:55 AM EDT reply actions  

Wow

The hype really is getting out of control

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by RolloTomasi on May 15, 2011 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

This reminds me of Tito when he was ducking Chuck.

By the time this match happens someone may find a way to beat Jones and this match will no longer be a title match.

by BrothaDarkness on May 15, 2011 1:21 AM EDT reply actions  

Just checked on Jon Jones to see if he mentioned Rashad at all. His latest tweet
“This is the kind of champion I am,” with a link to the In the Moment show with him and Shogun except he cut out all the Shogun parts. Basically him just talkin about how he’s awesome.

Dude’s an awesome awesome fighter, but I just can’t like his personality. He’s way too much of an arrogant prick.

by Robust23 on May 15, 2011 1:30 AM EDT reply actions  

Interesting ...

.. how a big dude who acts that way (Jon Jones) is “arrogant,” while a little dude who acts the same way (Rashad) is “cocky.”

by CalicoTomcat on May 15, 2011 2:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

I definitely heard at one point

That Jones could barely close his hand or shake hands without serious pain. This was after the “doesn’t affect striking/grappling” comment. I think John Morgan said it on Junkie Radio, and he’s hardly one to talk out of his ass.

by Cunny on May 15, 2011 1:43 PM EDT reply actions  

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