Eddie Bravo vs Royler Gracie 2 Scheduled for ADCC
by KJ Gould on May 11, 2011 10:13 PM EDT
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It's the rematch many expected would never happen. At the Abu Dhabi Combat Club No-Gi Submission Grappling tournament in 2003 Eddie Bravo scored the most significant win of his career by beating legendary grappler (from a legendary family) Royler Gracie via triangle choke. Eddie Bravo was thoroughly thrashed by Leo Vieira in the next match at that same tournament , but the Gracie win was so significant that Bravo has managed to use it to help make a career in being a Jiu Jitsu guru while pushing his take on the Rubber Guard and his 10th Planet Jiu Jitsu schools.
Since then efforts from both sides have been made to make a rematch happen but it has failed to materialise thus far for one reason or another. Now it looks like it might finally happen as the official ADCC Facebook page announced the match up:
ADCC will make 2 "masters" superfights on World Championships.
Fight time 10min
Eddie Bravo VS Royler Gracie
Mario Sperry VS Renzo Gracie
Mario Sperry vs Renzo Gracie is a pretty great match up as well as both have been pioneers in the BJJ and MMA world with Sperry learning his craft under Carslon Gracie who was known for favouring the top game and almost having a wrestling mindset to the submission game which Sperry took with him when he co-founded Brazilian Top Team that has been home to the Nogueira Brothers, Ricardo Arona and Paulo Filho, to name a few. Sperry was also an early ADCC champion and Absolute (open weight class) champion in 1998. Renzo Gracie should need no introduction having found success in ADCC and MMA as well, his last MMA match being in Abu Dhabi last year against Matt Hughes.
As for the Bravo vs Royler rematch, Royler has still been competing where as Bravo has not competed since the ADCC 2003 tournament. Bravo can train seriously from now until September but just like last time I'd have to chose Gracie as the favourite. Should Bravo win again, don't be surprised if we witness and ego explosion. I'm still somewhat dubious if this will actually happen, but it's certainly the closest its come so far.
Eddie Bravo vs Royler Gracie 1 ADCC 2003 Video:
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I can't imagine this is actually going to happen
Eddie has so much to lose and very little to gain. I don’t know why he would agree to fight Royler again. You can bet your ass that Royler won’t be caught by surprise by rubber guard again. I would also put money on Royler if I were a betting man
I'd argue it wasn't rubber guard that caught him the first time
I don’t think Bravo had even developed his version of RG by then, and was at most just pulling his leg up high.
There's no argument to be made
That triangle and the set up was as traditional as it comes…which is to be expected from a Machado BB.
BOOSH
He didn't use rubber guard for the finish
but he was using it right before the finish.I think he had certainly been working on the rubber guard even if he hadn’t fully developed the system he outlined in his instructionals.
I’m also going to weakly argue that I meant that Eddie was a unknown quantity to Royler before the match and now he, and his system, are well known.
Royler training specifically for a match
Is going to be different then training for a tournament which is a lot more random. The most Bravo did was have Rubber Guard, High guard (what is that, crackhead control?) and he managed to thread his arm through to get an overhook (Zombie?). Otherwise it was a lot of stalling and a lot of trying to pull his leg down without a lot of success.
you're right about one thing
“Eddie has so much to lose and very little to gain. I don’t know why he would agree to fight Royler again.”
by polevaultking on May 12, 2011 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I realize
that a lot of people in the grappling community seem to hold Bravo in disdain, including yourself, KJ, but I really don’t get it other than the old guard being sour about someone working to evolve grappling. You use terms like “ego explosion”… I just don’t get it other than the sour grapes. Every video and interview I’ve ever seen of Eddie has shown a guy who’s respectful, well spoken and has a concise viewpoint that makes a lot of sense. Maybe it’s because I’m an outsider to this particular world, but it really is off-putting to me.
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by Cory Braiterman on May 11, 2011 9:47 PM EDT reply actions 30 recs
Here's why people have a problem with Eddie
Like I’ve heard him say “I’m try to help jiu jitsu” but he disrespects the gi calling it irrelevant when all the masters have been using since its origins. He claims that 10th planet jiu jitsu is better for MMA and no gi, even though the best gi players are the best no gi players (ex. Marcelo Garcia, Ryan Hall, etc). None of his guys do well in competition. He gives everything a stupid name even ones with established names and claims credit for moves and positions that he didn’t create.
The naming convention is retarded as in their students and some of the instructors are unreasonable and claim that every technique that resembles something in that system is "x" name and was made by Eddie Bravo. Plus the rubber guard is impossible for most people because of the flexibility it requires, which is the basis of his game.
He built his whole career on Royler’s back but hasn’t compete since ADCC 2003 like KJ mentioned. I hope Royler smashes him.
by StrangeD84 on May 11, 2011 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
i have never seen him take credit for a move
including the twister, which he has repeatedly said is straight from wrestling. renaming something is good for two reasons: branding and coaching. The latter especially, as you can shout out instructions from your corner without allowing the other guy to know what you’re saying. That’s a page straight from regular team sports and is something more camps should work on.
He has stated the gi is bad for MMA grappling and it is. It’s fine to train with a gi, for obvious reasons (like any training is good), but if you’re specifically working for MMA grappling, then it is inferior, since you won’t be using a gi in competition. Again, this come across as nothing but sour grapes. Butthurt, for those less literary minded.
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by Cory Braiterman on May 11, 2011 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions 10 recs
I sort of agree
Eddie admits it in small interviews. But what does Joe scream? “Twister”? or “Twister, also originally called the guillotine in wrestling”?
Now who reaches a bigger audience?
I’m not saying Eddie doesn’t admit it, but he sure doesn’t make it his mission to point it out.
BOOSH
I think Joe calls it a twister as that what he knows it as from training with Eddie
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Joe was at Machado's gym
Well before he met Eddie. That’s how they met.
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Gi vs No Gi is a different debate to whether Eddie Bravo’s take on No-Gi grappling is actually the best for MMA, considering it’s theoretical and Bravo has never been in an MMA fight himself. I’d take the grappling for MMA of Matt Hume, Erik Paulson, Greg Nelson, Ricardo Liborio, Greg Jackson, Dave Camarillo, Frabicio Werdum, Mario Sperry and Pat Miletich over Eddie Bravo.
Yes you can point to guys like Shinya Aoki and George Sotiropoulos but they were already at a black belt level for some time before encountering Bravo, which leads me to this point: certain parts of Rubber Guard can be used successfully as a tool but not necessarily as a stand alone system. It is not a magic bullet to use against wrestlers, and there are other more proven guards that should be learned first and foremost.
by KJ Gould on May 11, 2011 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Look,
I find Bravo annoying as fuck myself, but the fact that blackbelts like Shinya Aoki want to work with him is a mark in his favor, not against him.
Also is Sotiropoulos even a black belt yet? I thought he was a 10 planet brown…
I don’t know much, all I know is, when Sot uses his rubber guard, people don’t get u[. Awesome.
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KJ
certain parts ofRubber Guard10th Planet can be used successfully as a tool but not necessarily as a stand alone system.
sums up my views on Bravo’s system, and a few guys at my BJJ academy who started out in 10th planet and moved to traditional BJJ. There is plenty of stuff that works in 10th Planet but they should be viewed as tools in a tool box.
Very well put. I got Royler big in this.
The latter especially, as you can shout out instructions from your corner without allowing the other guy to know what you’re saying.
…unless he’s read any of Bravo’s well-publicized instructional books. Or listened to Joe Rogan on commentary!
The weird names
are less about being a secret code, and more geared towards being a mnemonic device and coaching tool. Instead of awkwardly describing physical details, there’s a specific term for different moves, and if you’re well versed in those terms, it can be very useful.
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by ElliotMatheny on May 12, 2011 6:45 AM EDT up reply actions
to be fair
if you’re reading his books/videos/attending his classes, then at least he’s making some coin from you.
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by Cory Braiterman on May 12, 2011 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Only the attending classes part
The Internet has a tendency to spread information freely and illegally.
is EVERY term he uses
available on the series of tubes? Wouldn’t surprise me either way
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by Cory Braiterman on May 12, 2011 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Pretty much
He makes his name and $ off of those silly names.
The internet does it’s best to steal it and distribute it for free.
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I use the rubber guard all the time.
Honestly, without it, I’d be in alot of trouble.
If you can’t do it, you’re not stretching enough, or you’re in horrible shape..
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by RolloTomasi on May 11, 2011 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Or you have reconstructed knees
And if you would be in trouble without rubber guard…maybe train more fundamentals?
BOOSH
by Farthammer on May 11, 2011 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
the rubber guard is not good against a 300 lb. man.
It can be smash passed with very good success.
The rubber guard is most effective on people who have crap jits.
Good posture and keeping your hands off the mat really take the wind out of the sails for it.
That being said a good high guard is quite useful.
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by the-gentle-way on May 12, 2011 1:09 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Unless you are a super heavyweight
why the fuck would you ever be grappling a 300 lb. man?
Was noone else impressed with how completely defensive and ineffectual Barboza was on top when Lullo pulled him into rubber guard? I definitely was. Lullo has shit striking and zero takedowns, but was able to neutralize Edson’s deadly striking for periods of time simply by pulling guard and working the rubber guard.
Aoki and Sotiropolous have both had great success using 10’th planet/ rubber guard moves.
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by ElliotMatheny on May 12, 2011 6:42 AM EDT up reply actions
If you can’t do it, you’re not stretching enough, or you’re in horrible shape.
I couldnt disagree more
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I think there’s very few movements in BJJ apart from the rubber guard where that level of flexibility is needed, so it isn’t really essential to be that flexible. Also, just because you aren’t that flexible, it isn’t necessarily because you’re in “terrible shape”. Many people injure their knees/ankles and can practice BJJ perfectly well, and be in excellent physical shape
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You are beyond misinformed.
The gi basically IS irrelevant in MMA, the only merit it has is helping grip strength/ endurance, and forcing you to be more technical with your armbar escapes (the more defined gi grips make it harder to escape an armbar). Marcelo and Hall are great grapplers, but not in MMA. Bravo’s system is more geared towards MMA than it is straight grappling, although a well rounded grappler with solid rubber guard, lockdown half guard, and use of the truck/ twister guard can have an extremely varied, potent grappling game.
The school is still young, and the negative preconceptions of 10’th planet prevent there from being many people who ever even give it a try. I’ve been training at an EB affiliate, and can tell you that they emphasize solid fundamentals just as much as they teach the 10’th planet stuff. Lockdown half guard has been the biggest addition to my game, although I’m slowly picking up some rubber guard moves. The truck is also a great way to attack a turtled opponent.
You’re creating this straw man of an Eddie Bravo fanboy who claims he’s the fucking greatest ever/ invented modern grappling, and it just isn’t there. What EB is- a creative grappler who noticed some positions and transitions that could be used more in submission grappling/ MMA. Rubber guard and lockdown half guard are especially useful for MMA because you can stay tight and prevent the opponent from striking effectively while still generating offense. Something which is much harder to do from more traditional guard/ half guard.
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by ElliotMatheny on May 12, 2011 6:37 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
OK, well, here's some things to consider
- Bravo beat Royler by triangle, not by any rubber guard setup, but ultimately by wrist control and clearing an arm for a leg to go through. His Rubber Guard system was completely theoretical and untested in competition by Bravo, yet forms a strong basis to his curriculum. The best parts of 10th Planet Jiu Jitsu are the parts that work in BJJ to start with.
- A lot of people practicing the Rubber Guard from how Eddie teaches it have had ligament damage and even patella dislocation. Eddie Bravo’s method of stretching is also dangerous when compared to that found in legitimate Yoga sources, and Bravo either misses out important finer points for safety, or comes up with something ridiculous like the Heel Hook Stretch. Players such have Robert Drysdale have shown their take on the Rubber Guard and included the important aspect of hip movement so you’re not completely torquing your own leg. This has since been addressed by the “10th Planet All Stars” section on the Rubber Guard by Bravo students who appear to be more clued up about safely using the RG then he is.
- A lot of the names are moronic and some are unnecessarily full of sex and drugs innuendo. Claiming to name moves that “didn’t previously have a name” is actually a case of “I don’t know the name, so instead of looking it up, I’ll give it a name”. I don’t care that the Wrestler’s Guillotine is a Twister (which Jean Jacques Machado called it), but having moves called ‘Douchebag’, ‘Baby Arm’, Stoner Control, Retard Control, etc doesn’t exactly lend accessibility to his style of grappling.
- Similar to the innuendo mentioned, the heavy marijuana references are unnecessary. I have no problem if someone wants to use marijuana and is even involved with the culture, I just think grappling culture and martial arts culture shouldn’t have drug culture stapled on to it. I’m pretty sure parents wanting to get kids into martial arts don’t want it tied together either.
- Plenty of other more accomplished, better grapplers have done legitimately more to advance grappling then Bravo has, particularly guys like Marcelo Garcia, Ryan Hall, Jeff Glover, Robson Moura, Pablo Popovitch, Robert Drysdale, Roberto Abreu etc but none of them have benefited from a free infomercial every other UFC courtesy of Joe Rogan’s commentary. Bravo’s success is as much to do with his single Gracie win as it is the benefit of nepotism.
- You can bet your ass we will not hear the end of it if Bravo somehow manages to beat Royler a second time to the point either Bravo but in particular his followers will be insufferable.
by KJ Gould on May 11, 2011 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions 12 recs
now those
are somewhat better examples than the previous poster has given. Here’s the 2 cent rebuttals for a couple.
The best parts of 10th Planet Jiu Jitsu are the parts that work in BJJ to start with.
Well duh, you can’t reinvent the sport, and somehow, I don’t think he’s trying to.
none of them have benefited from a free infomercial every other UFC courtesy of Joe Rogan’s commentary.
That’s a legit criticism… of Rogan, not Bravo.
if Bravo somehow manages to beat Royler a second time to the point either Bravo but in particular his followers will be insufferable.
If I was 2-0 against one of the best grapplers of the decade, you’d bet your ass I’d be crowing it to the world.
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by Cory Braiterman on May 11, 2011 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Well duh, you can’t reinvent the sport, and somehow, I don’t think he’s trying to.
The fact that they’re the best bits is telling of the quality of the ‘new evolution’ of Bravo’s grappling contribution.
That’s a legit criticism… of Rogan, not Bravo.
It is, but also explains a lot of his success and why so many people are trying it and either getting injured or missing out on some fundamentals that Bravo might fail to cover. He does have good fundamentals, he’s a BJJ blackbelt under JJ Machado, but certain elements in his system appear to take priority over others when they shouldn’t.
If I was 2-0 against one of the best grapplers of the decade, you’d bet your ass I’d be crowing it to the world.
So, no problem with me writing “don’t be surprised if we witness an ego explosion”?
the problem with writing it
is it comes across as that disgruntled feel to it. You’ve elucidated some of the complaints you’ve got about it, but it’s still not the best attitude in general. Perhaps if you changed it to say "don’t be surprised if we witness a well-deserved ego explosion"? well-earned is also perhaps acceptable. Not giving credit or at least couching where it’s coming from is one-sided and has a poor tone, imo.
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by Cory Braiterman on May 11, 2011 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
It'll be well earned
It’ll likely be really long lasting, heavily milked and brought up at every turn, if not by Bravo, by his followers most of whom I find to be particularly obnoxious.
I would be more shocked and genuinely impressed if Bravo can claim a submission victory via several steps of the Rubber Guard system then a non-rubber guard system. I don’t have many issues with his use of the scorpion half guard / lockdown or ‘twister side control’ other than it not being a be all end all.
It's a grappling match.
Limiting yourself to any one approach would be asinine. If Eddie tries out rubber guard and is successful- cool. If he uses more traditional methods, then so be it.
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by ElliotMatheny on May 12, 2011 6:58 AM EDT up reply actions
really at this point
its just editorial criticisms. I see your side and am just devil’s advocating other points of view, even if I do agree with some of yours and theirs.
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by Cory Braiterman on May 11, 2011 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions
You can't think you're making a point here.
The best parts of 10th Planet Jiu Jitsu are the parts that work in BJJ to start with.
Of course. More than just “BJJ”, the most effective things in grappling are universal across all styles. 10’th planet JJ is just one approach to grappling, which emphasizes staying tight and using incremental adjustments and advances to achieve a submission, pass, or sweep. The rubber guard is just one way of playing guard without the gi; lockdown is just one way to play half guard without the gi. The truck and twister are just another way to attack the back.
Nobody in their right mind thinks that Bravo has accomplished more than the guys you listed, but he has some creative ideas and is willing to experiment and develop things which haven’t really been explored as of yet. Does he really deserve your scorn for that?
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by ElliotMatheny on May 12, 2011 6:54 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yo, KJ!
You should go to a 10th Planet school and write an article about it. I’d be really interested to hear your take on it after going to a few classes. I bet you could even get a sit down with Eddie easy if he knew your attitude toward his system.
by Krumpenstein on May 12, 2011 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't understand why Eddie would do this
Like others have said, this seems he has a lot to lose here. I really hope Royler wins.
Joe Rogan just came.
"If I had a dollar for every brain you don't have, I'd have one dollar." - Squidward Tentacles
I heard Eddie say on one of the last Rogan podcasts that he’s willing to fight.
by SkeezinSteevin on May 11, 2011 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Dude...guys.
Guys.
No wait…seriously….guys.
What if…
Guys
What if everyone did hella drugs and just tripped balls, man. You know? Like…
Guys listen.
Like what if we all did DMT? We would be so much smarter than everyone else. Why doesn’t everyone do a shitload of DMT and weed? Here, listen to this Linkin Park music me and my bros made.
BOOSH
by Farthammer on May 11, 2011 10:21 PM EDT reply actions 8 recs
I rec'd this,
and I’m a Bravo fan. Such a chill dude, but you can really tell when he’s stoned, lol.
by Aggressor666 on May 11, 2011 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Welp, there goes the 7th seal.
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by Patrick Tenney on May 11, 2011 10:32 PM EDT reply actions
wow you quite plainly do not like Eddie Bravo
Tell us how you really feel next time.
by Nick Travaglini on May 11, 2011 10:37 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Just saw your background is in catch wrestling. Your Bravo hatred couldn’t be attached to the bravo- josh barnett beef from the UG a few years ago?
by Nick Travaglini on May 11, 2011 10:42 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Nope
You’ll find plenty of BJJ guys with criticism as well. I’ve not even mentioned his e-debate with Josh Barnett, or his Dark Planet Catch Wrestling mock website, or how after crapping on catch for several years might now be using it as part of how he markets 10th planet as a Catch / BJJ mix (as per an article on the first UK affiliated 10th Planet gym). All criticism so far can be seen in above comments.
Any way to read this e-debate?
I would love to read it
Google Eddie Bravo Josh Barnett
And click the ninjashoes url. The original thread on the underground (which Bloody Elbow posted about a couple of years back) no longer exists unfortunately, and wasn’t archived.
The Dark Planet thing is so painfully unfunny I wouldn't even bother taking offense.
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by lowellthehammer on May 11, 2011 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions
The funny thing about that debate is
while Josh Barnett does love catch wrestling, he is also pretty good BJJ black-belt himself! I believe his black belt is under Erik Paulson … but I’m too lazy to look it up.
I alway heard
He got his BB for general knowledge, not because he trained for years and years to be a BJJ black belt.
"He got his BB for general knowledge, not because he trained for years and years to be a BJJ black belt."
That’s the reason every good blackbelt is a black belt. Knowledge.
When you train bjj every day of your life you don’t do it to get a black belt. If you were doing it for a belt that would makes no sense. You can buy one of those for $5.00. You train because you love it, Because you want to learn all you can and teach all who want to learn. Then after you have enough knowledge you get a black belt from a teacher. The knowledge and skill is what you work for for years . A belt is just a representation of that knowledge and skill.
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by the-gentle-way on May 12, 2011 1:28 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Well
The story I heard anyway, which was on sherdog forums so don’t take it as concrete fact, that he was given the black belt so he could compete in Black belt level tournaments and they were acknowledging that his knowledge in catch wrestling allowed him to compete on a black belt level
His belt is from Erik Paulson who is a Machado Black Belt.
You missed the entire point of my .
My point is if you spend thousands of hours learning to pass guard, play guard, and mount (positions that didn’t exist in catch)from a bjj black belt. When said teacher says you are a black belt, you are a black belt.
As far as "working for your black belt " goes. Its not the belt that josh worked for. It was the knowledge and because he worked for the knowledge, he got the belt. See what I mean? Its a little bit of a Philosophical difference.
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by the-gentle-way on May 12, 2011 2:25 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Mount existed in Catch
It’s the Top Saddle. Guard didn’t tend to be as detailed because of the pin situation, but there were leg wrestlers who used body scissor moves to great effect as well. But regardless, Barnett hasn’t competed in any Catch Wrestling rules matches only MMA and submission grappling which allows your game to be developed differently. Josh teaches BJJ at CSW in a Gi, as does Paulson, a couple of times a week.
I have no idea how to link a post, so I’m copying and pasting.
“Technically Barnett has a BJJ black belt under Erik Paulson, who got his from JJ Machado.
Barnett’s fought a few times in a gi in BJJ/submission grappling tournaments, but I do agree with you that Barnett’s style is primarily catch with some modifications primarily for defensive work rather than a wholesale importation of BJJ into his extant skill set.
Which is why I want to see a Barnett vs. Cain match – similar skill sets with one being younger and stronger and the other being craftier and more experienced.
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by Tree Frog on May 8, 2011 3:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Rigan Machado, not JJ
Barnett actually teaches BJJ classes once or twice a week at Paulson’s gym, full gi and everything. Paulson teases him and calls him Jiu Jitsu Josh.
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by KJ Gould on May 8, 2011 7:48 AM EDT "
So you don’t have to go by Sherdog’s word. You have mine and Gould’s.
InStrength dot com.
Yes
That is far more respectable then sherdog XD. That is why i put the disclaimer up from the beginning
I rec'd this,
and I’m a Bravo fan. Such a chill dude, but you can really tell when he’s stoned, lol.
I don't get the Bravo "hate"
which I don’t think Gould is engaging in here, but it’s all about context. Eddie Bravo smokes way too much weed to even have an ego. I think his heart is in the right place, but his head is up in smoke, where every move is forgotten, and so the revelations cause him to think up silly terms like the “truck”, “crackhead control”, and so forth.
Bravo is trying, whether his theories are misguided or not, and for that ambition, he deserves some credit. I mean, I don’t know my jiu jitsu as well as most of the guys here, but the vaporizer is badass, and legitimately original as far as I know.
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by David Castillo on May 11, 2011 11:20 PM EDT reply actions
That's a common misnomer.
Your short term memory is only affected when you’re actually high. We all know Bravo likes the ganj, but to say that smoking bud makes you forget every move you’ve learned (despite YEARS of training under JJ Machado, and years after of teaching/ grappling/ competing/ etc) is totally off base.
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by ElliotMatheny on May 12, 2011 7:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Bet Bravo tests Positive
If they even get tested, prob not. On another note just given people’s polarizing attitude towards Bravo this match will get interest in the ADCC, I’m surprised it took this long to make the match.
by theBarbarian17 on May 11, 2011 11:38 PM EDT reply actions
have you ever encountered
a white belt who sucked in the gi, then claimed he cared more about no gi and started doing some rubber guard stuff, had moderate success against other white belts and thus never developed proper fundamentals of the guard, then everyone else got better and they lost their advantage, and then they quit?
Hey Jitsoo
Go home and get your fuckin shine box!
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by the-gentle-way on May 12, 2011 2:30 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 3 recs
Sperry vs. Renzo is an interesting match-up. I’ll have to do some research to see how Sperry’s game matches up to Renzo’s.
Too bad we can’t get guys like Danaher, Rillion or Liborio to do them this year too. Just stuff the mats with dream match-ups between legends and film it all.
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Cannot wait
Seriously the ADCC world championship is in my home city. The arena I am assuming it will be in is a 1/2 hour tram ride. I have never seen 2 elite grapplers against each over in person(I have seen Eddie Bravo take this piss out people in rolling before) and I get to see Renzo and Royler Gracie and Bravo as well as the actual tournament life is good.
Very jealous of you sir
If you go you should do a blog or something while your there. Let us know what were missing.
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by HERZ on May 12, 2011 5:05 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
can bravo make weight?
he does not look like 65kg anymore… royler on the other hand is always skinny/athletic
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