Pacquiao vs. Mosley Shows Strong Signs in Early PPV Estimates
This past Saturday saw "Sugar" Shane Mosley give a lackluster effort against top pound-for-pound boxer Manny Pacquiao in their Showtime pay-per-view main event. But there is no denying the force that Pacquiao is at the box office and the early indicators of PPV buys bear that out. From the New York Times:
Bob Arum, the chairman of Top Rank boxing, said he believed the pay-per-view buys from Manny Pacquiao's defense of his welterweight title fight against Shane Mosley last Saturday would match or exceed the roughly 1.2 million buys for Pacquiao's previous fight, against Antonio Margarito.
This is significant because the fight, distributed by Showtime Pay-Per-View, was promoted heavily by CBS, in what Arum viewed as the first step toward returning boxing to terrestrial television. A number around 1.4 million to 1.5 million, Arum said, would highlight the effect of the promotion on the buy rate. Arum said he expected to know the exact number by the end of the week.
SB Nation's Bad Left Hook chimes in:
A note before we proceed: Boxing promoters always reach high on early estimates, so absolutely do not expect 1.4 or 1.5 million. 1.1-1.2 is likely closer to the final number.
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The real question is whether or not a third straight rather ho-hum Pacquiao decision over an opponent who either had little to offer or offered little once the bell rang has turned off the sort of fans that push these shows to the one million-plus mark. That's not the diehard boxing audience that pushes these shows over the top.
This is basically the expected number. Less than 1 million buys would have been a failure. Getting to 1.1 or above was probably the goal and it looks like they'll meet that number.
Top Rank and Showtime took a page out of the UFC's playbook by streaming the weigh-ins online and on Showtime Extreme as well as broadcasting some of the undercard fights in a nice 90 minute Showtime Extreme pre-show. It's doubtful that this led to much of a boost in business really, but it showed a marked change in direction from just showing a rerun of one of their Fight Camp shows in the hour leading to the fight and hoping for the best.
For much more on this fight and the rest of the action from the boxing world go read Bad Left Hook.
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Very good numbers, although Arum is obviously reaching because of what Floyd drew against Mosley.
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by Jack.Barrington on May 11, 2011 4:03 PM EDT reply actions
I'm glad so many people paid for an extremely boring PPV.
I hope this steers some casual boxing fans towards the MMA game.
This card featured really good fights on the undercard and a lackluster main event featuring the top p4p guy in the sport.
So…it was boxing’s UFC 129.
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by Brent Brookhouse on May 11, 2011 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions
that Arce fight was freakin ridiculous… in a good way.
by BeardedNerd on May 11, 2011 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
So many directions to go here...
main event featuring the top p4p guy in the sport.
But Aldo was in the co-main event!
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Uncomfortable truth: Almost no one cares about Aldo or his fight. It was nice, but probably more people cared about the Arce/Vazquez Jr. fight. I take that back; definitely more people cared about the Arce/Vazquez Jr. fight due to Arce’s following among mexicans and Vazquez Jr. being the son of a legendary Puerto Rican boxer.
by VirtualBalboa on May 11, 2011 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Uhh...
wat
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I know this may be a hard thing for hardcore fans to grasp outside the bubble, but Jose Aldo is nobody to most people watching this sport. He’s fought on a second rate sports network and basically drew no eyes to his fights for most of his career. Nobody bought a ticket to UFC 129 for Jose Aldo. Practically no one bought UFC 129 for Jose Aldo. The UFC barely promoted Jose Aldo’s fight in the leadup to the event (remember all the bitching about that?).
At least Arce and Vazquez Jr. have legitimate fanbases and sell tickets to their fights somewhere on planet earth.
by VirtualBalboa on May 11, 2011 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Ohhhh, okay.
Now I see.
I was being facetious with my Aldo comment. I’d also considered, “But Anderson Silva wasn’t on that card,” or “I don’t understand – Fedor [or Overeem?] fights for Strikeforce.”
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Yeah, I mistook where you were going with that. Sorry.
by VirtualBalboa on May 11, 2011 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions
To be honest with you, I have no interest in watching no name boxers' bouts.
Mostly because the odds of me watching them ever box again is slim to none. And if anyone thinks that UFC 129 was a boring PPV, they might be mildly retarded. The only fight that I found boring was the main event, which I expected.
then you dont know what your talking about because Kelly Pavlik is coming off losing his Undisputed Middleweight Title, Jorge Arce is a former 2 time and now 3 time champion and Wilfredo Gomez Jr’s dad is a top 100 boxer all time P4P and has a big following. Pointless to try and insult a card you know nothing about and didn’t watch.
by TheBirdsDen on May 11, 2011 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
obviously you didnt watch
because the PPV overall was anything but boring, Arce vs Gomez Jr and Pavlks fights were both good entertaining swing bouts that had big implications.
Main event was about what i expected.
nah
the crossover from boxing to mma isn’t as large as you might believe, trust me.
by Victor Rodriguez on May 11, 2011 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Why does it take so long to have these numbers published?
by Our Bovine Public on May 11, 2011 4:41 PM EDT reply actions
Takes a while for the numbers to come out from every outlet (every cable company, every sat company, online PPV’s…etc.
Then it becomes a media game of "when do we release it
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by Brent Brookhouse on May 11, 2011 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Say they got the numbers back on Sunday. Well, sunday is a down media day. You don’t release it on a down day like that. On monday there are still people talking about the fight. On Tuesday (technically this was from yesterday) once people have kind of slowed down talking about your event, then you come out with the numbers to spur it on a little more.
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by Brent Brookhouse on May 11, 2011 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions
IDK
cause Showtime said that night it did over a million buys, and I remember when Floyd fought JMM they announced that night on HBO that it did over a million buys.
Remember People
Arum said Manny vs Hatton was gonna be near 1.5 mill and ended up being 900,000 buys
Interesting considering Hatton on paper had alot more to offer than Mosley or Margarito.
Until there’s a final number I won’t believe anything anyone says. People should have learned that from every promoter jacking up the estimates only to see them generally fall much lower when final numbers are produced. If it really did exceed expectations and sold 1.2+ million then HBO is going to need to start throwing around a lot more money to get some of these stars back in the ring.
HBO needs to get rid of Ross Greenburg and kill the contract they have with Golden Boy so they can start throwing their money behind real events, lets be real, who cared about Devon Alexander vs TIm Bradley on this board?
Showtime is smart they only build good PPV cards around a star whether it was Mike Tyson (vs a slew of bums, the Cliff Etienne’s) or Evander Holyfield vs James Toney, they were smart to get in on the Manny Pacquiao business because he is the 2nd biggest PPV star in boxing (at the moment).
Not bad
Not bad considering the damage Mosley did to his career and drawing power with the Mora fight.

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