BJ Penn Will Not Fight at UFC 132 in July
by Nick Thomas on Apr 8, 2011 9:07 AM EDT
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Sources indicated while the UFC was actively seeking a new opponent, Penn preferred to reschedule his next contest.Dave Meltzer (subscription only) is reporting that the real reason could be an injured B.J. Penn:
B.J. Penn’s next fight is up in the air. Penn suffered an undisclosed injury and is getting it looked at and getting an MRI done this week. Depending on how that goes will depend if he’s moved back a show or given a new opponent for 7/2.
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Goddammit Leeroy.
Noooo I was so happy that BJ wouldn’t face Jon “Winning” Fitch again…. Now they’ll probably just reschedule that bout altogether
by Hashmo on Apr 7, 2011 7:36 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 4 recs
Damn. I guess this is why they booked Wandy/Leben.
Dammit keep Condit on the card and have him fight Stun Gun.
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by SSreporters on Apr 7, 2011 7:44 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
That is an excellent suggestion.
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by The American Ronin on Apr 7, 2011 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Brilliance.
Plus Condit gets to continue his run to UFC WW Champ.
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I don't know, man
Condit/ Stun Gun is a toss up.
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by ElliotMatheny on Apr 8, 2011 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't know.
I’m an admitted Condit lover, but I honestly just think he’s a little tiny bit better at EVERYTHING than Stun Gun.
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Really, EVERYTHING!?
I tend to think that DHK is a tad better at that whole “wrestling” thing.
If Condit wins, it’s by pushing the pace on Stun Gun throughout, standing and on the ground (probably from his back), and then pouring on the pressure late for a stoppage. I tend to think DHK would probably take him down at will and win a top control centric decision, though. Miura was giving the dude fits and is nowhere near the overall grappler that the Dongman is.
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by ElliotMatheny on Apr 8, 2011 2:29 AM EDT up reply actions
I guess to each their own, but I think he could wrestle with him. He isn’t a great wrestler by any means, but I think good enough to keep it upright, where he would completely outclass DHK.
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A strong wind could get Condit down.
Kampmann, Ellenberger, and MacDonald were all able to get Condit down frequently, and I think DHK is a better takedown/ top control artist than any of them.
CC definitely has the edge standing, though.
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by ElliotMatheny on Apr 8, 2011 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I think DHK takes it.
The short-term memory in MMA is mindblowing. Condit looked good against Hardy, but lets not forget the fight before that, where he got schooled for the majority of the fight against a 20yo in his second Zuffa fight. I don’t think that Condit can keep on his feet, and i think that Diaz’ guard is more dangerous. Kim has suspect cardio though, so perhaps Condit can pull it off in the end like against MacDonald.
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by ElliotMatheny on Apr 8, 2011 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions
I was talking about MacDonald, not Condit :)
Should have made myself more clear though, thanks.
schooled for the majority of the fight against a 20yo
Do you mean that fight he won? Doesn’t matter what happens before that, he won. Like Anderson-Sonnen, people got pissy about an immediate rematch because when it comes down to it, Sonnen lost decisively, so no rematch. Same thing, Condit decisively beat McDonald, so it doesn’t really matter if Rory did well before that.
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The condit/Macdonald stoppage was the very definition of controversial
Macdonald won that fight, he was still holding on
by 1N87 on Apr 8, 2011 11:14 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I wouldn’t really call it controversial at all, its just that it happened with under 20 seconds remaining in a fight Macdonald had largely dominated but he was getting cracked by Condit and offering almost no defense. I don’t want the ref thinking “this guy can probably take 10 more seconds of this beating without any real permanent damage” or some shit like that.
Would I favor MacD in a rematch? Probably, but iirc even he wasn’t upset by the stoppage.
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by The American Ronin on Apr 8, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
MacD was getting his ass whooped.
If that fight didn’t get stopped, it would’ve been a 10-8 round at least, and perhaps even a 10-7.
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by ElliotMatheny on Apr 8, 2011 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions
You are missing the point.
I’m not disputing whether he won or not. When analyzing how a potential matchup could go down between two fighters, we look at how they performed against previous opponents. As in, watch the fights and see how they would stack up, not just look at the fight finder. What happens before the fight ends does matter, a whole lot actually.
BJ just probably didn't like who they wanted him to fight
Injury, my ass.
Either way, 132 is stacked enough that they didn’t need Penn.
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by BVandDietPepsi on Apr 7, 2011 7:49 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I completely agree
TBA is a fierce rival, appearing on nearly every Strikeforce card at every weight class imaginable. I wouldn’t take a fight with him (sometimes her).
by Hashmo on Apr 7, 2011 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think they will be kept on separate paths until one loses.
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by The American Ronin on Apr 7, 2011 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions
GOD FUCKING DAMMIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why couldnt we have Condit vs Penn! This card kind of lost some fire in my eyes. Its a good card but seeing Penn vs Condit would have blown me away.
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I have a feeling this is Penn deciding who he feels is a worthy challenger.
Fitch is obviously number one contender. Condit isn’t. I can totally see why Penn may be bombing the fight.
As an MMA fan I would like to see Condit and Penn fight. As has been mentioned between Brookhouse and Breen, it doesn’t serve MMA well to declare a couple of fighters worthy and the rest simply card-fodder.
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by Obviously5Believers on Apr 7, 2011 8:02 PM EDT reply actions
Condit needs to fight either Koscheck, John Howard, Ebersole!, Stun Gun, or Anthony Johnson if he was available. Any one of those fights I am behind
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by ANDERSONS GOT THE JUICE on Apr 7, 2011 8:04 PM EDT reply actions
Ebersole and John Howard?
Ebersole needs to pick up some more wins first. John Howard is on a two fight losing streak so he has no business fighting Condit either.
Oh and Koscheck said that he can’t even start training till summer because his face is still fucked up.
Other than those I agree with the list, Ellenberger would be good too.
Condit already fought and controversially beat Ellenberger
Great fight but not rematch worthy.
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i think your being alitttttttle hard on howard
he lost to a big wrestler and to alves…..he had no business fighting alves and stood his own for a good portion of the fight
should doom fight condit? i say no but i wouldnt think it was way out of his league
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by gxc on Apr 7, 2011 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions
His point still stands tho
Joe silva is not going to put a guy on a two fight losing streak against a guy who’s arguably making a title run
Conducting an experiment on knocking people out in particular ways would be unethical.
Howard is not a serious contender. For Condit to be positioned for a title fight because he happens to be the best guy that GSP hasn’t beaten the crap out of yet rather than because he has fought and proven that he deserves it against the top contenders in the division is…unfortunate. If Rick Story beats Alves, he should jump over Condit in the rankings and in the title fight talk instantly. And that will probably happen before Condit steps in a ring again against whoever.
by VirtualBalboa on Apr 7, 2011 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Thank you. Rec'd.
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people arent dying to see alves gsp 2..so i do agree that story would be thrown into title shot and save condit for furture title fights
ufc needs all the available middle tier WWs available for gsp to take to canada and gnaw on
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by gxc on Apr 7, 2011 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I think that they want to build up new WW stars
Because their current one probably isn’t staying at 170 much longer.
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i can get down and sloppy with a little shaking up of the WW devision
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by gxc on Apr 7, 2011 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Condit would wreck Ebersole and Howard in one night
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Howard would hang with Condit.
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by ANDERSONS GOT THE JUICE on Apr 7, 2011 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Howard nearly lost to Dennis Hallman
And struggled with Chris Wilson and Tamdan McCrory en route to split decisions.
Howard is fun to watch but he would get KTFOd.
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Condit wouldn't KO him
He would probably tap him out but thats all I see happening
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by ANDERSONS GOT THE JUICE on Apr 7, 2011 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I could see Condit tapping him too
Howard’s “muay thai” is sloppy to watch and Condit would pick him apart.
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Ebersole needs to fight Hardy.
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No... just no.
Hardy is on a 3 fight losing streak.
Hardy is on a 3 fight losing streak against guys miles better than Ebersole. Ebersole is really the level of guy he’d be fighting if he were cut by the UFC.
by VirtualBalboa on Apr 8, 2011 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions
How does that eliminate Ebersole?
Who has one win in the UFC.
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Is this going to be the first July card that will lack superstar power?
Wand / Leben certainly isn’t worthy of a main event, or even co-main event at this point.
Well, it’s not top-heavy, but it is very deep.
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by BVandDietPepsi on Apr 7, 2011 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Son of a Bitch!
I was gonna get tickets to this shit! I had my hotel room booked and ready to rock ass in Vegas! I got on here seeing if anything was going on about Penn getting a new opponent and I just got my dreams shit on! This sucks.
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by lawdawgfightcrew on Apr 7, 2011 8:28 PM EDT reply actions
Ugh
Penn/Condit was the fight I was REALLY looking forward to on this card.
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If BJ Penn is doing this because he wants to fight a better opponent in what would be a better fight (and a rematch of a wholly competitive first bout), I’m not about to complain. Trying to force #1 contender fights between mediocre fighters because they’re who is available when better guys are out for whatever reason is lamesauce.
lamesauce=fitch fighting style
Fitch is a very tough dude and a bad ass but his fighting style is lamesauce! Penn vs condit would have been a much more exciting fight than fitch Penn 2. I’m getting tired of all these re matches lately.
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by lawdawgfightcrew on Apr 7, 2011 10:55 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I think Condit is a little better than mediocre
I should have satyed out of Cain’s strawberry patch.
He is an OK fighter and a man who’s career will probably be spent ranked at #7 in the world, regardless of what he does. Funny thing is, when K-1 and boxing were at their peaks, dudes used to rematch all the time because, hey, those were the best guys and so they fought each other a bunch. UFC fans, for whatever reason, want to be told that some guy who’s barely top 10 should get a title shot or get an eliminator because they’re fresh instead of deserving. The worst part about that ends up being how those middling talents were “legitimate title contenders” from then on to the end of time, like Daley and Roy Nelson.
by VirtualBalboa on Apr 8, 2011 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions
While I agree in theory with this, there is little interest in seeing a fight like GSP/Fitch 3+ times when the loser has shown nothing to give any indication he would fare better in a rematch. Fitch deserves one with a win over BJ perhaps, but like Kos, after he gets dominated twice there is no need to see it ever again.
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by The American Ronin on Apr 8, 2011 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
BJ is just buying some time so he can bulk up to rematch Machida.
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WAR Fat Penn!!!!
Conducting an experiment on knocking people out in particular ways would be unethical.
Aldo is going to dispose of Hominick quickly..
and we can have Aldo/Mendes for the Featherweight title.
If a 135 lb title fight is held with no supporting draws beneath it
Thus leading to maybe 250-350,000 buys, did the fight ever happen?
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I was hoping we would see Jones vs. Evans on this card
but I think Jones has a lengthy medical suspension after the Shogun fight. I remember seeing that the suspension could be lifted earlier if an orthopedic doctor clears him though.
Its an indefinite suspension, pending orthopedic clearance of his right hand iirc.
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by The American Ronin on Apr 8, 2011 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Aldo beats hominick, aldo moves up and fights bj
I know…never gonna happen…..but I want to see those two before bj retires
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by HERZ on Apr 7, 2011 11:32 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I know that would mean bj moving back down…which makes it even more unlikely….but a guy can dream
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by HERZ on Apr 7, 2011 11:35 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm glad this fight isn't happening again.
I think Penn and Condit should fight. That would be a sick fight!
That's the fight
everyone wants right now, for sure.
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by ElliotMatheny on Apr 8, 2011 3:54 AM EDT up reply actions
undisclosed injury = imaginary injury
Sorry. I guess I can't have the picture of my wife in the kitchen anymore...
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