Frank Mir's Solution: Don't Train With UFC Fighters in Your Weight Class
by Nick Thomas on Apr 7, 2011 9:29 AM EDT
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"When I first got the call (about the UFC 130 match - Roy Nelson and I) were actually in the gym together the very next morning so we kind of discussed how it was going to go like 'Look, there's only so many heavyweights, I guess we're going to have to fight.' I think both of us were looking forward to fighting when there was a little bit more on the line as far as one of us having a title or pushing ourselves up into a number one contender spot. It is what it is. It's beneficial to the promoter to have two guys from Vegas fighting on their Memorial Day weekend card so I understand it and its business, so I got to just go out there and fight."HT: MMA Mania
"One lesson I learned from Jon Jones vs. Rashad Evans is if there's any heavyweights in the UFC, I'm not going to train with them anymore. Why would you? That's a potential opponent. If he gets any kind of advantage over you in the gym, learns a secret or knows something about an injury that could potentially cost you a lot of money. I think in the future if guys are smart, they'll stop training with guys in their own weight class."
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Agree
Doesn’t happen often, but I completely agree with Mir here.
Yeah...
Because it’s not like he needs to learn to deal with true HW size to beat guys like Lesnar/Carwin/etc…
Nelson is pretty damn big.
I know it’s not all lean mass, but he has serviceable takedowns and great grappling, as well as solid hands. They’re good training partners for eachother.
It is quite the conundrum, though. Either you run the risk of having to fight, or get out of the way of a teammate in your own weight class, or you only have 1 serious fighter in each weight class per gym.
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"I swear it upon Zeus an outstanding runner cannot be the equal of an average wrestler."
-Socrates
by ElliotMatheny on Apr 7, 2011 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Fighters (especially HW's)
would have to spar with straight HW boxers/ kickboxers and roll with straight HW grapplers.
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"I swear it upon Zeus an outstanding runner cannot be the equal of an average wrestler."
-Socrates
by ElliotMatheny on Apr 7, 2011 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Why can’t UFC fighters train with Strikeforce fighters? That seems to work for Cain and Cormier over at AKA, doesn’t it? Now, granted, when/if SF merges into the UFC, it’ll make things more complicated for fighters, I agree, but then, there would also be more fighters in the UFC and thus limiting the chances of two fighters who train together from having to fight each other.
If SF
were to keep running past the current fighter’s contracts, then I think that would be a great idea.
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"I swear it upon Zeus an outstanding runner cannot be the equal of an average wrestler."
-Socrates
by ElliotMatheny on Apr 7, 2011 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t see it…
Hardcore MMA fan since UFC 99
by ChiCubs23 on Apr 7, 2011 10:46 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
THE COUNTRY CLUB!!
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"I swear it upon Zeus an outstanding runner cannot be the equal of an average wrestler."
-Socrates
by ElliotMatheny on Apr 7, 2011 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm the world's sole remaining Frank Mir fan
I always enjoy the guy. He’s got great insights into the sport, knows how to promote a fight, and was actually a hell of a color man in the glory days of the WEC. That hug fest with CroCop was a stinker, but he’s still been involved in a lot of great fights.
…and I agree with him here.
Tatum: I think he's a good man. I like him. I got nothing against him, but I'm definitely gonna make orphans of his children.
by Dave Strummer on Apr 7, 2011 9:46 AM EDT reply actions 6 recs
One more Mir fan here also.
Jules: Normally, both your asses would be dead as fucking fried chicken, but you happen to pull this shit while I'm in a transitional period so I don't wanna kill you, I wanna help you. But I can't give you this case, it don't belong to me. Besides, I've already been through too much shit this morning over this case to hand it over to your dumb ass.
not me.
i thoroughly enjoyed seeing him have his a** handed to him by Carwin, Lesnar and Vera.
and i don’t see him beating nelson either
Unabashed Mir hater here
I’m not sure what it is, but the man just bothers me. Could be the 90’s action movie villain hair/goatee combo he sports, seriously, shave that shit.
by lolumad on Apr 7, 2011 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
It's the face.
I hate his face.
And then God created Saturn ... and he liked it, so he put a ring on it.
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by James Brady on Apr 7, 2011 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
i love frank mir
and you are right that we are in the minority. hes well spoke (for a fighter) and his jitz is nasty. most guys in the hw division have defense jiu jitzu, they learned enough to make themselves an mma fighter rather than boxer or wrestler. not many guys around that size with a skillset like that, and the ones that are around are in the twilight times like nog….and mir himself soon enough.
Jonny Bench called.
by Sterling Archer on Apr 7, 2011 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Used to be a Mir fan...
then i met him. Mir is douche incarnate.
If you wanna throw down in fisticuffs, fine! I've got Jack Johnson and Tom O'Leary waitin' for ya...right here!
by ODBasyoucansee on Apr 7, 2011 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions
yikes
unfortunate
but then again, how much can you really take away fromhim because of that? im a douche, people seem to deal with it.
Jonny Bench called.
by Sterling Archer on Apr 7, 2011 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Dude
it wasnt like we met him and that was it. We went to AFC 4 to support a Yukon boy and stayed at the fighters hotel. Weigh ins, afterparty, running into him here and there, dude… you’d be suprised.
If you wanna throw down in fisticuffs, fine! I've got Jack Johnson and Tom O'Leary waitin' for ya...right here!
by ODBasyoucansee on Apr 7, 2011 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Mir was there
to corner Robert Drysdale, who is a class act, really cool guy and a very dominant grappler. watch out for him the next few years,
If you wanna throw down in fisticuffs, fine! I've got Jack Johnson and Tom O'Leary waitin' for ya...right here!
by ODBasyoucansee on Apr 7, 2011 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions
sorry, but i have to do it.
he’s well spoke. funny. no offense intended.
i saw it post 'post'
im just not the guy thats gonna reply post to correct grammar fail. sometimes grammar fail happens, accept grammar fail, embrace it, love it violently. then leave $ on the night stand and leave without waking it up.
Jonny Bench called.
by Sterling Archer on Apr 7, 2011 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Same here
I thought he was a hell of alot better than Bonnar, that’s for sure. And melodramatic/ hyperbolic pre- fight trash talk aside, I really do like his opinions (on fighting mainly, but also on politics/ philosophy/ etc).
I like his fighting style too.
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"I swear it upon Zeus an outstanding runner cannot be the equal of an average wrestler."
-Socrates
by ElliotMatheny on Apr 7, 2011 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions
I'd love to see Mir doing color commentary again
I prefer him to Shamrock and probably Militech too.
Tatum: I think he's a good man. I like him. I got nothing against him, but I'm definitely gonna make orphans of his children.
by Dave Strummer on Apr 7, 2011 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah,
Alot of times he would be observing the action, make a prediction, and then it would happen (if on cue) almost right after.
http://www.headkicklegend.com/
"I swear it upon Zeus an outstanding runner cannot be the equal of an average wrestler."
-Socrates
by ElliotMatheny on Apr 7, 2011 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions
I always laugh
when he’s calling a Nick Diaz fight, and insists that his punches don’t hurt. Oh, really Frank? You mean the same punches that completely overwhelmed you and dropped you on your ass like a sack of potatoes?
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"I swear it upon Zeus an outstanding runner cannot be the equal of an average wrestler."
-Socrates
by ElliotMatheny on Apr 8, 2011 2:52 AM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn’t go so far as to call myself a fan, but I definitely don’t dislike the guy. He’s legitimately the fifth best HW in the UFC, I still think he beats everyone except the top four. He usually has exciting fights with good build-up from trash talk, and he’s smart, handsome, what’s not to like? Agreed he was very good commentator for WEC while it lasted.
by Horselover Fat on Apr 7, 2011 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I like him in the booth as well
As a fighter, he’s in the middle for me. Sometimes I cheer for him, sometimes I’m rooting for the other guy. I was glad to see him come back to a high level after his accident though.
I consider myself a softcore fan.
I've always liked Mir
Liked his commentary, liked the confident way he carried himself. He seems like a really smart and articulent guy. I always chalked up his hate to Brock fanboyism, and some people’s general dislike of intelligent people.
"Tact is the knack of making a point without making an enemy."
~Sir Isaac Newton~
And he's a bit of a snarky smartass at times,
but who isnt?
"Tact is the knack of making a point without making an enemy."
~Sir Isaac Newton~
easier said than done for heavy weights
But this is something GSP seems to be doing. Trains with some of the best… in the weight classes above him.
Training w/ Forrest will only get Frank so far,
seriously, he needs to train with HWs. Maybe you can get away with this at the lower weight classes, and train with a mixture of guys above and below your class, but at HW, how do you replicate the size and strength of Cain, or even more so a Carwin or a Lesnar?
What about
Known weight class wanderers, like Randy Couture, B.J. Penn and Dan Henderson?
It’s hard to predict where a career will go and to assume that a fighter will forever more stay at heavyweight is presumptuous as all hell.
Mir's saying this to justify more "training" with Miguel Torres
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by SSreporters on Apr 7, 2011 11:23 AM EDT reply actions 5 recs
"are they doing subtitles for JDS"?
Reporter-“Um, you busted me, I haven’t been watching the show either”.
mma-reporters, they can’t all be Ariel Helwani
Retrospectively
they definitely should’ve had Mir on as coach for TUF, and just gave Junior a tune up fight. Against a guy like Madsen, so that he could work on defending against wrestlers.
I actually think JDS is pretty funny, but it’s obviously hard for him to let his personality shine through the language barrier.
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"I swear it upon Zeus an outstanding runner cannot be the equal of an average wrestler."
-Socrates
by ElliotMatheny on Apr 7, 2011 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I can't really either,
except for maybe when Florian fought Joe Daddy, while Penn/ St. Pierre 2 was happening? I remember Kenny being the consensus #1, and still taking that fight.
Also, Chuck fought Babalu in the interim while Tito/ Ken Shammy happened, despite already being guaranteed a title shot.
http://www.headkicklegend.com/
"I swear it upon Zeus an outstanding runner cannot be the equal of an average wrestler."
-Socrates
by ElliotMatheny on Apr 8, 2011 2:59 AM EDT up reply actions
I guess Mir is calling Butterbean.
I see his point but who is he going to train with?
I'll just repeat what I said over on Mania
The problem with that, Frank, is you don’t get used to fighting the right weight of people. You, of all people, should know this, having had big problems when large behemoths with good control are dominating your position. Sure you don’t give anything away, but you don’t gain quite as much when you’re 250 and rolling with some 200 lb dude.
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by Cory Braiterman on Apr 7, 2011 12:44 PM EDT reply actions
I think this is a good strategy
I mean he needs to try something different. Bulking up to 250 didn’t work so maybe this will
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by ANDERSONS GOT THE JUICE on Apr 7, 2011 1:03 PM EDT reply actions
Nick
“UFC heavyweight champ Frank Mir has a simple solution to the teammate dilemma”
Mir is the former heavyweight champ.
"Hey, there's some blood in this puke. We could go sharking with that."
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