Lyle Beerbohm Prepared to Utilize Ground Skills Against Shinya Aoki
by Nick Thomas on Apr 5, 2011 9:51 PM EDT
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Strikeforce lightweight Lyle Beerbohm is coming off his first career loss to a gritty Pat Healy at Strikeforce Challengers 14 so he's very motivated to get back on the winning track when he faces one of the world's top lightweights, Shinya Aoki. Beerbohm talked to MMA Fighting and claims he isn't worried about Aoki's bone-breaking brand of submissions:
"I don't think my sprawl-and-brawl is up to par. I'm not that type of fighter. I definitely have to be aware of his tricky submissions, but I have to kind of fight him a little bit different. I don't want to be on my back with him, so I have to push the pace and either get on top of him or beat him up against the cage."Apr 9th, live on Showtime from San Diego, California:
"I like to go to the ground, and he's one of the best grapplers in the world at lightweight. I think it should be an exciting fight, and I'm not afraid to go to the ground with him. I'm really not. He might think that no one wants to go there with him, but we'll see what happens when we get there."
"I like to use elbows, and now I can. I'm there to win and finish."
Lyle "Fancy Pants" Beerbohm (15-1) [Num. 64] +190
Loss Pat Healy - Decision (Unanimous) Strikeforce Challengers 14
Win Talon Hoffman - Submission (Guillotine Choke) ROTR 15
Win Josh Calvo - Technical Submission (Guillotine Choke) ROTR 14
Shinya "Tobikan Judan" Aoki (26-5) [Num. 4] -225
Loss Yuichiro Nagashima - KO (Flying Knee) Dynamite!! 2010 [K-1/MMA rules]
Win Yokthai Sithoar - Submission (Keylock) Deep 50 Impact
Win Marcus Aurelio - Decision (Unanimous) Dream 16
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The fight matrix rankings are always a bit funny. 63 others are better than Lyle? I know he’s not a world beater, but some of those 63 others are a bit sketchy.. Jadamba at #10? Thomson below JZ who he beat.
Rankings aside, I hope this is a good fight, but I just can’t see Lyle keeping it alive on the ground.
They just use
an objective, scientific formula to calculate rankings. Shaolin & Ludwig are his 2 best wins, and they aren’t exactly considered elite these days.
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by ElliotMatheny on Apr 6, 2011 5:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Aoki, what do you think about Fancy Pants going to the ground with you?
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by Earl Montclair on Apr 5, 2011 9:23 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
Haha!
Love it.
Skinnyass nerdy geek jab that will straight fuck you up.
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by TrailerParkTrash on Apr 5, 2011 9:37 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
maaaaaaan I was in such disbelief when this happened.
I was also drunk, but yeah. that night was awesome. Minowa KOing Soko and that.
Triple respect
For an Ackbar, hadouken, AND a Dr. Octagonecologyst reference.
Go to the ground, please.
And prove how dumb you are.
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by TrailerParkTrash on Apr 5, 2011 9:36 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
It's so deceptive that Aoki's record doesn't show the loss to Nagashima because it was mixed-rules
You’d think by reading this that he was on a hot streak when in fact he’s coming off his most humiliating loss
If Aoki loses...
will he finally drop like a rock in the rankings?
Losing to Beerbohm would send him on a tumble. Beerbohm is not an elite guy like Melende and it would fully show that Aoki can’t compete in a cage with unified rules. At that point I’d probably lower him to 15 or possibly lower depending on the overall performance.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 5, 2011 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions
If only we could have the benefit of seeing all fighters in both a cage and a ring.
Would Randy be a former champ if he had to fight in a ring? Doubt it.
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by lowellthehammer on Apr 5, 2011 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Would Randy be a former champ if he had to fight in a ring? Doubt it.
Randy would have dominated Wand in any environment.
Tiger pit?
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by lowellthehammer on Apr 5, 2011 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions
No but seriously.
Randy vs PRIDE LHWs would’ve been pretty fucking awesome. Rampage, Shogun, Arona, Wand would all have been incredible fights.
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by lowellthehammer on Apr 5, 2011 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions
its stunning to me that people have aoki as the 4th best lightweight
sure the guy has a grapplers chance in every fight, but does anyone think that the majority of the ufc guys wouldnt have their way with him?
i think theres a pretty strong possibility that he gets beat here, when you cant strike its very hard to be successful in any division other than heavyweight
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tell that to eddie alvarez and crusher.
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by the-gentle-way on Apr 6, 2011 12:38 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Aoki could beat Beerbohm standing in this fight. Nobody remembers it, but Aoki was actually pretty effective at keeping Melendez off him early in the fight using kicks. With the obvious exception of the Nagashima debacle, his muay thai look improved in recent fights since he started training in Thailand.
That’s true. he’s better on his feet than people give him credit for and Beerbohm is flat bad standing.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 5, 2011 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Aoki landed 2 good body kicks during the last 30 secs of the first round. The three or so he threw before that were largely ineffective. One was a foot-slapper against Gil’s stomach, another didn’t land, and the other one was caught and sent Aoki to the mat. He shoulda/coulda thrown more kicks since Gil had no intention of catching them and following Aoki to the ground at that point in the fight, and a lot of that round was spent at kicking range.
On the other hand, the knees in the 2nd that Aoki threw as Gil was coming forward had some starch on them and made Gil take notice.
I was one of the authors of the Port Huron Statement.
Openly cheering for a ground battle here.
Take ’im down Lyle.
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by lowellthehammer on Apr 5, 2011 10:07 PM EDT reply actions
This would be a horrible loss for Aoki, he would be losing to a guy who just lost to a journyman. But Aoki will win.
Bring the Cup home to Detroit in 2011!!!
He just lost to a pure kickboxer in an MMA-rules round, exhibition or not
He has zero business at #4.
Not afraid to nitpick
You just stole my argument!
I watched that video again the other day. Way too much fun. Fedor’s bolo punch to the mat was awesome.
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by ANDERSONS GOT THE JUICE on Apr 6, 2011 1:11 AM EDT up reply actions
he didnt get subbed by a kickboxer
He got flashed KOed, By a very talented kickboxer.
99% of the time Aoki tools that Guy, but sometimes things don’t go as planned that’s why we watch the fight.
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by the-gentle-way on Apr 6, 2011 12:47 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Can you imagine Frankie Edgar getting KOed and people saying
Oh hey, that doesn’t count, it was a flash KO he’d win that 99% of the time, he’s still #1???
Me either.
Not afraid to nitpick
yeah actually. if they weren't idiots. which is where lots of fans run into problems.
He would for sure stay in the top 5.
If frankie got leveled by Buakaw when he shot in for his takedown I would say the same thing.
99.9999999% of the time the ground fighter gets the takedown, but a fast kickboxer has that one chance before the rape on the ground starts. Everyone that knows anything about fighting knows this. It wasn’t a lucky knee.No strike a pro throws is lucky. However its very low percentage and was one of his only paths to victory.
Very bad things were about to be done to that little cross dresser, and in a rematch
He would get worked on the mat.
"True strength is not always shown through victory. Stand up, try again and display strength of heart." - Rickson Gracie
"Wanderlei eventually got to his feet and stalked Fujita like a Japanese octopus in an all-female prison." - Sean Baby Cracked.com
by the-gentle-way on Apr 6, 2011 9:34 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
absolutely
He should have hip tossed him or just pulled guard.
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"Wanderlei eventually got to his feet and stalked Fujita like a Japanese octopus in an all-female prison." - Sean Baby Cracked.com
by the-gentle-way on Apr 6, 2011 11:45 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Exactly
He clearly thought the same thing you and I and everyone else thought: During the MMA portion of the fight, Aoki is invincible.
That wasn't MMA.
Y’know how all those people say that The Reem’s K-1 fights shouldn’t affect his MMA ranking? Some goes for this aforementioned freak show .
by Rob Young on Apr 6, 2011 1:42 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Except you know unlike Reem fighting K-1 kickboxing rules, it was MMA rules at the time
It was a freak show that, after the kickboxing round, Aoki should have dominated in his MMA domain against a kickboxer.
Not afraid to nitpick
Beerbohm is full of shit.
He’s obviously employing the Koscheck/Rumble pre-fight strategy.
Dear Lyle
I know you’d like to prove to the world how awesome on the ground you think you are. You do not want to go to the ground with Aoki. Really, you don’t.
- Signed, anyone who’s seen Aoki fight ever.
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by Cory Braiterman on Apr 5, 2011 10:26 PM EDT reply actions
"/>As stupid as this looks
he still got the sub. Fucking amazing.
that's what I'm scared guy from philly looks like.
The crab walk of doom
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by the-gentle-way on Apr 6, 2011 12:50 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I would probably panic and jump out of the ring if he came at me like that.
by Horselover Fat on Apr 6, 2011 8:09 AM EDT up reply actions
As long as I hate Aoki
This guy, just get wrecked by second-tire Bam Bam Healy, now says he wanna test his ground skill against Aoki?
The one-dimensional Aoki that got to No.2 155er all by his ground skills, a place that Lyle might never be?
Healy is right, this guy held his head to high.
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And rice. A lot of.
alright.
That’s a boring fight, and proves Lyle will choke on big stage. Healy might not beat him convincingly, but he just can’t beat Healy on that night anyway, Healy is just to big n too strong for him.
I actually think he can take Aoki, but definitely not on the ground, and I don’t want Aoki win any fights in the states. Going to the ground with Aoki is a very dumb thing for him to say.
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And rice. A lot of.
Going to the ground with Aoki is a very dumb thing for him to say.
How so?
He said he doesn’t have the same caliber of sprawl and brawl as Gil Melendez and therefore will not be able to implement the same gameplan. That sounds smart to me. He recognizes that just because Gil did it does not mean he can do the same thing. He’s going to have to find another way to beat Aoki, and that he will probably be forced to do it on the ground. He’s not saying he WANTS to go there.
I got Aoki winning this. I think that if the fight hits the ground and Lyle scrambles, he is going to be in trouble. Beerbohm also doesn’t have that good of standup, but he does push forward, which could be his downfall as well.
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i think a better title to this article should be:
“Lyle Beerbohm Prepared to Utilize Ground Skills Against Get Submitted by Shinya Aoki "
I think a better title would be
“Lyle Beerbohm prepared to utilise ground skills like when Anthony Johnson stood with Dan Hardy”
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