Joe Rogan: Fedor Fighting Above His Weight Class Doesn't Work
by Nick Thomas on Apr 4, 2011 6:57 PM EDT
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UFC commentator Joe Rogan shares his views on Fedor Emelianenko's imminent return to competition. The Russian MMA legend is coming off two straight losses to Antonio Silva and Fabricio Werdum and Rogan thinks he needs to lose some weight before returning to elite competition in July. Now that Strikeforce is under the Zuffa banner, will Fedor have to take such opinions into account?
"I think at the highest levels of the game, you can't be rolling around fat at 230 and fighting those guys. We saw that in the Bigfoot Silva fight. Bigfoot Silva, he walks around at 290 pounds. (Fedor) is an amazing athlete and he has put on some incredible fights over the years but, I think, once you get to the highest levels of the game, you can't come in fat and you can't be fighting way above your weight class."HT: MMAWeekly.com
"There are guys at 185 that are bigger than him. Anthony Johnson is way bigger than Fedor, that's reality. He has a bigger in his frame; he walks around heavier than him. Anthony Johnson weighs 230 and he's not fat at 230, he's a big swole up at 230."
"I think Fedor is an amazing talent, an incredible athlete. I really admire his mind and his mindset when he goes to compete. It's really fun to watch, that he's so nonchalant with his big belly and he goes in there fucks people up. But the reality is that's not going to work in the upper echelon in the sport, any more at least."
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It's actually true, too.
Johnson surely puts on some fat in between camps. I wouldn’t say he’s bigger than Fedor, but they’re probably the same size.
Fedor definitely needs to fight at 205. He could realistically make 185, but that would be a tough cut, and I think he would be a good sized light heavyweight.
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by ElliotMatheny on Apr 4, 2011 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions
anthony johnson does not have the same build as fedor.
Fedor is a much bigger build. I have stood next to johnson. He’s not that big at all. At 230 johnson looks like he is reacting poorly to a bee sting.
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by the-gentle-way on Apr 4, 2011 6:27 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Fedor has a bigger build,
but Johnson is 6’2, and stacked with muscle. I doubt he has any more body fat at 230 than Fedor does.
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by ElliotMatheny on Apr 4, 2011 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions
No way, Anthony looked fatter at 230 his face was way bigger and fatter than Fedor’s, unless he carries all of his fat in his face.
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His face is definitely plump,
but I honestly don’t think he’s carrying any more fat than Fedor at 220/ 230.
Granted, he has a shirt on, but he doesn’t exactly look like a fatass. Different people carry fat in different places, for AJ it looks like his face blows up a bit.
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by ElliotMatheny on Apr 5, 2011 12:51 AM EDT up reply actions
That's what I figured.
The more muscle you have, the more water weight you can cut. Muscles have glycogen & water in them; the more dry muscle tissue you have, the more water you can carry, the more water you can cut. I wouldn’t be surprised if Johnson walks into the cage at 190ish.
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by ElliotMatheny on Apr 5, 2011 12:58 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m sure he does walk in at 190+, as do GSP, Alves, Hardy, Fitch (previously) and other top WWs.
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by The American Ronin on Apr 5, 2011 1:00 AM EDT up reply actions
I think
Johnson walks in heavier than those guys. Maybe not Alves, because he’s huge himself, but IIRC, Georges has said he’s inbetween 180/ 185 on fight night.
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by ElliotMatheny on Apr 5, 2011 1:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Georges' has said a few times
He’s about 192-193 in the cage.
Gleison Tibau has fought at 188lbs in the cage as a LW, according to his camp. They say he does best around 179 in the cage so he lost weight. How crazy is that?
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That is nuts.
Johnson must be 200ish in the cage, then.
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by ElliotMatheny on Apr 5, 2011 1:27 AM EDT up reply actions
I would guess Johnson and Alves were both around 200 in the cage, which is at or above the “safe” limit for most anyone weighing in at 171.
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by The American Ronin on Apr 5, 2011 1:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah
that’s an enormous weight cut.
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by ElliotMatheny on Apr 5, 2011 1:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Alves was supposedly 188-192 in his title fight with GSP (he said it on the pre fight press conference), and now he’s a bit lighter with this Dolce diet stuff, I guess.
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by dancingChicken on Apr 5, 2011 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I can’t believe that he gained 33 lbs in 27-ish hours.
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by Derek Suboticki on Apr 5, 2011 1:45 AM EDT up reply actions
IV's
In other weight limited sports, at the highest levels, 25-30 cut is standard. Like everything else, some guys can go beyond the limits of even other pros.
Diego Corrales(RIP), 6’1" used to cut 30lbs to box at 135lbs.
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33 pounds would be just under 4 gallons of water. Of course there is also bowel contents and glycogen stores that are removed and replaced.
33 pounds for a guy weighing in at 156 is a bit beyond what is generally considered “safe”, although “safe” or rules of thumb obviously varies with the individual.
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by The American Ronin on Apr 5, 2011 1:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Mike Dulce says
All fighter should drink 3 gallons of water(24lbs) the Wednesday before the cut. It allows them to cut safely and rehydrate more.
He also says to drink 2 daily.
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Somewhat counter-intuitively, guys drink a huge amount of water starting a week or so out up until 24-30 hours before weigh-in as part of the endocrine and electrolyte manipulation that goes into doing a cut correctly.
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by The American Ronin on Apr 5, 2011 1:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Like hyperhydration for a small cut
Somehow, when I drink a gallon of water quickly I piss out 2 gallons that day.
I try to drink 2 of the course of the day.
When you start hydrating that much, you feel a lot better. At least I do.
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I completely agree
I drink huge amounts of water throughout the day, including during the night and have for as long as I can remember.
I used to win small bets multiple times in college because I could go to bed at a then 190 or so and without exception wake up 8-10 pounds lighter just by not drinking any during the night. No idea how much was water vapor exhaled, how much was urine and how much was sweat but it was never less than 8 pounds.
Haven’t tried it in years, and in fact don’t even have a scale in our house (with a wife and 4 daughters no less).
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by The American Ronin on Apr 5, 2011 2:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Same here
Sometimes I go to bed at 165lbs and wake up at 158-160.
Poor guy. Living in a house with that many ladies…. Do you even get to use the bathroom or do you just shower at work? : )
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Right. I am almost always the last one to bed and the first one up, so it works out. Working from home helps too, although I have been stuck showering at the gym more times than I care to remember, especially when we only had 2 bathrooms and the oldest was at home from school.
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by The American Ronin on Apr 5, 2011 2:39 AM EDT up reply actions
After really thinking about it
It takes a manly man to live with 5 women.
My little sister turned my dad into a punk. I can’t imagine what 4 would do to man. I’ve attended more tea parties than I care for as is.
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It's not the glycogen,
so much as the water in the glycogen. The more muscle tissue, the more glycogen, the more water. Meaning that the more muscle you have, the more water you can cut.
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by ElliotMatheny on Apr 5, 2011 8:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Its about 15g/kg stored (so about 3 pounds for a guy at 205), but I don’t know exactly how much is removed during a cut, but like with removing excess weight on a race-prep bike, every little bit helps add up to a significant total reduction.
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by The American Ronin on Apr 5, 2011 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Given how yoked Gleison is
it doesn’t surprise me at all. As I mentioned before, the more muscle you have, the more water you can drain. 33 is unreal though, there’s no way that cut doesn’t catch up to you by the 2’nd & 3’rd round.
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by ElliotMatheny on Apr 5, 2011 1:53 AM EDT up reply actions
I think it's a little premature
to say that a guy that ruled HW for ten years is all of a sudden too small. His loss to werdum had nothing to do with size.
For sure bigfoot overpowered him and wrecked him, but one fight doesn’t mean Fedor can’t compete at that level.
Cain only weights about 10lbs more than fedor and carries some extra fat and look what he just did to Brock.
Cain is a much much leaner 245lbs than Fedor. If Fedor decided to cut like other fighters, he could easily make 205 and maybe even 185.
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by gabriezim on Apr 4, 2011 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Fedor has the frame of a middleweight, but its not like he’s out of shape now. Some people just naturally carry more fat. Even Roy Nelson is probably in better shape than everyone on BE or 95% of the population
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Fedor is a big strong guy. He would lose a lot of strength going to middle. He would look good at lhw.
I like him best at HW. You ask why at Hw??? Cause fuck those ogres that’s why. I still think fedor would fuck Brock up and probably carwin too. BigFoot would rape both of those guys./m
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by the-gentle-way on Apr 4, 2011 6:07 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Lol I think Fedor
Would Brock fuck up
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"would brock fuck up"
You forgot your question mark. However the answer is Yes. Brock would fuck as soon as he gets punched in the face, kinda like he usally does.
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by the-gentle-way on Apr 4, 2011 6:33 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Still don't know the name of that street?
I’m thinking Ocean Ave
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Fedor carries more fat
because he eats whatever the hell he wants. He’s said this on multiple occasions, that he doesn’t watch what he eats. With proper diet, and a more advanced S&C program, Fedor could easily lean out.
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by ElliotMatheny on Apr 4, 2011 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly
And now at this point I doubt he’ll be aquiring the Dolce Diet, maybe he would do just enough to reach 205 for one or two fights. People need to face the facts, Fedor is starting to fade. Would you rather he go out like Chuck Lidell, taking far more brain damage than is necessary, or at least retire with his brain intact?
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by halitosis on Apr 4, 2011 9:31 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Well,
it would be a tough cut, but he could probably make it. Can you really say that Fedor’s bigger than guys like Sonnen, Marquardt, Okami, or Hendo? I think they’re all about the same size.
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by ElliotMatheny on Apr 4, 2011 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions
It seems that way because you are seeing those guys next to guys close in size (weight class) and we are looking at Fedor constantly next to guys like Fabricio or Bigfoot. When you see Fedor in person he is built like a truck. 205 is doable, 185 is impossible. His core is too big.
impossible? hardly
What would you say is Fedor’s bodyfat%?
If you guess 10%, that means that 1) you’re delusional and 2) he’s carrying 23 lbs of fat.
If you guess 15%, 1) you’re getting closer and 2) He’s carrying 34 pounds of fat.
If he diets hard and loses no muscle (almost impossible without anabolics) he can still lose 20 pounds of fat. Leaving him with 196 pounds of muscle/water/organ/bones and 14 pounds of fat at exactly 6.66% bodyfat and a total of 210 pounds. Can Fedor get down to 6%? Sure, he could. He has what I’ve always assumed to be tremendous discipline. But he could easily get down to 215 and just cut ten pounds of water.
Now if he did get down to that 6-7% with no muscle loss, he could also (more realistically) get down to 205, just from dieting. Surely, he could cut the water if absolutley necessary and get down to 185. I most certainly wouldn’t advise it, but it is feasible.
Now consider that Fedor may carry more than 15% BF.
by Schwizzles on Apr 4, 2011 10:19 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The width of Fedor is enormous for his height. Look at his body, look at the length between the edge of his neck to the edge of his shoulders, look at his mid-section. Yes, there is fat on there but it is wide and it is thick with muscle and bone. Compare him with Bigfoot from the neck down and look at their cores. Bigfoot is taller certainly but their width is comparable. You can’t get that down to 185 and be able to fight. Maybe I should have made that clarification. No way he could fight at 185.
He's definitely got a solid build.
Really though, the 185 speculation is moot, because we all know Fedor would never starve himself like that. He would still be able to eat pretty well at 205.
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by ElliotMatheny on Apr 4, 2011 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions
He could comfortably make 205 but I think if he commits himself he can still rock it against the HW’s. I just don’t know if he has it in him to do what he needs to do to upgrade his skills to compete against the top guys. If he doesn’t have it in him to do that I don’t think he will have it in him to make the sacrifices he would have to make to get to 205 and succeed there.
He said
he’d be willing to drop down to fight Hendo. I like that fight alot. Rogan is right though, Fedor can’t fight above his optimal weight class (205) anymore. There are too many skilled, big heavyweights these days.
I think he could stay in the top 10 at HW, but I think he could be top 5 and contend for titles at 205.
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by ElliotMatheny on Apr 4, 2011 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions
he can still succeed at HW
he just needs the right matchups, which is what M-1 had been carefully managing for years.
To be fair, matchups are huge in determining the outcome of every fight for every fighter, not just Fedor.
He can't compete against elite HW's anymore.
Werdum and Bigfoot were both barely top 10/ top 15 at the time of their fights.
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by ElliotMatheny on Apr 7, 2011 4:26 AM EDT up reply actions
He could probably make 205, but given the visible excess fat Cain was carrying at 244 he might be able to as well.
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by The American Ronin on Apr 5, 2011 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Against Brock he was relatively lean.
I think 205 is out of the question for Cain
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He could probably make it. Hell he for sure could make it, but I get kind of tired of dudes trying to cut insane amounts of weight just so they can fight smaller dudes. So much suffers as a result. The gas tank, the speed, and your health. I like it when guys just fight at their sensible weight. For Cain it’s HW. He does great there (obviously) and what he lacks in size he more than makes up with in Grappling skill and speed. I really want to see him fight Carwin.
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by Dooda on Apr 5, 2011 1:04 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Idk, man.
I think a cut to 205 would be VERY hard for Cain. The guy has a very solid build, with little body fat at 240. I wouldn’t put him at any more than 10% body fat.
I think he would be seriously drained by cutting to 205.
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by ElliotMatheny on Apr 5, 2011 1:22 AM EDT up reply actions
To make the cut, he would probably have to diet down and lose muscle mass, not just water weight. He probably couldn’t even LOOK at weights either.
For Cain, HW seems like his natural weight class.
I agree.
Maybe somewhere down the road he might have to try and drop to 205. At this point, I think he’s just fine.
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by ElliotMatheny on Apr 7, 2011 4:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Without knowing more info, such as lean body mass, there is no way to say definitively.
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by The American Ronin on Apr 5, 2011 1:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Thank you. Yeah, all we know is, if he wanted to make 205, he could. He’d have to lose some muscle and some of his extra fat, but getting there isn’t the question, it’s his performance once he gets there, we really don’t know the rest.
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Hmm, I was thinking in terms of holding ability to perform as a constant, not questioning whether he could get to 205 regardless of performance consequences.
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by The American Ronin on Apr 5, 2011 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't.
Werdum and Bigfoot were obviously bigger than him, and it played a big role in BOTH fights.
Fabricio is a solid 240, and you can’t say that his length didn’t factor into his ability to lock up that triangle. You think someone with Jon Jones legs would’ve locked up that triangle as easily?
Fedor did well striking with Bigfoot, but when he got taken down and size became a huge factor, Fedor got dominated.
Cain weighs 10 lbs more than Fedor, but is also taller, has a larger frame, and has a lower body fat %. He MIGHT be able to make 205, but it would be a stretch. Whereas Fedor could make 205 easily. The guy carries around jiggly belly fat. With a better diet, S&C program, and a marginal water cut, Fedor would be 205 no problem. And it’s not like the guy is a stranger to the sauna, he goes into a sauna on a weekly basis.
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by ElliotMatheny on Apr 4, 2011 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions
No water cut needed, just lose the fat, water cut for middleweight.
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Well,
he would probably need to cut a few lbs of water. Nothing like what Phil Davis, Jon Jones, Rampage, Forrest, etc all have to lose, though.
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by ElliotMatheny on Apr 4, 2011 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Cain has also been blessed with an enormous easter-island head
He’s a pretty big man, I’d love to see a side-by-side comparison with Fedor.
Fedor has a massive core, possibly one of the strongest in the sport due to his Judo background, but his legs are tiny.
"Massive core".
I always hear this re: Fedor, and honestly have no idea what the hell that means. Generally the “core” refers to the muscle groups of the abdomen, posterior chain, and thighs.
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by ElliotMatheny on Apr 4, 2011 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions
As in,
he has wide hips? Sure.
“The core” is such an overused, nebulous term though.
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by ElliotMatheny on Apr 4, 2011 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Its not so much overused
as much as completely misused, along with the word ‘frame’ in relation to body sizes.
"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."
Look at how wide his abdomen, look at the distance between the obliques, it isn’t just fat. That is muscle and bone there.
Fedor definitely
has a big frame. No argument there.
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by ElliotMatheny on Apr 4, 2011 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions
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It’s more than a big frame. He has the core of a bull. Especially for his height. The abdomen, and the surrounding muscles, the core. That’s what I mean. This is the Mayo Clinic’s core description:
Fedor's trunk isn't very big or muscular
its just fat.
Compare him to a guy like Feijao and you will see that he doesn’t have a very big ‘frame’ either.
‘Frame’ size is widely overused and misused. Frame size is determined by the size of the wrist and elbow joints, not the shoulders and hips.
A large frame is only about 10% larger than a medium frame, which is about 10% larger than a small one.
"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."
There is no bone there
and it is mostly fat.
Fedor is thick around the waist because he’s fat. If he was lean, his abdomen would be much smaller and he would appear more V shaped.
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Combo
of muscle, fat, and bone IMO. The guy definitely has a stout build- wide hips, broad shoulders, etc.
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by ElliotMatheny on Apr 5, 2011 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Its not opinion
Its a fact.
There is no bone between the ribs and the anterior crest of the ilium. It may appear that way but there is not.
In Fedor’s case, he has a lot more fat around the abdomen than the average athlete.
"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."
To elaborate
All people have relatively the same size bones.
Unless Fedor is disfigured his trunk is no more bony than the next guy.
"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."
I think
he has a pretty wide frame relative to his height. Just a stout build in general.
I understand that there aren’t any bones between the ribs and the hips, but there is muscle. If Fedor were extremely fat, he would have folds of skin there. His skin is pretty taught, and you can see the outline of his abs. I’d put him at around 16% bodyfat.
Are you trying to say that it’s impossible to have wide hips?
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by ElliotMatheny on Apr 5, 2011 12:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Not at all
I’m saying that having wide hips and shoulders makes a person appear to have a ‘large frame’ when truthfully any person can add mass to the shoulders and hips, making them appear to have a ‘large frame’.
The hip is not the crest of the ilium(the top of the ‘pelvis’). The hip joint is the where the head of the femur meets the antebellum.
In order to appear to have wide hips, a person must have lots of mass around the thigh, pelvic and gluteal regions.
A person can have a large trunk and be very muscular without appearing bloated and fat(compared to the average pro athlete).
A lean muscular person should never really appear to have overly large hips. The thigh and glutes may be extremely well-muscled, but you wouldn’t build an uneven amount of muscle around the pelvis itself.
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I don't think
Fedor does have an uneven amount of muscle around the pelvis, though. He has some fat around his midsection, sure. I think he’s around 16% B.F.
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by ElliotMatheny on Apr 5, 2011 1:26 AM EDT up reply actions
I was just answering your question :)
Are you trying to say that it’s impossible to have wide hips?
Its impossible to tell what someone’s BF% is without measuring it. They could carry lots of adipose tissue around or very little, you never know. Its also really hard to look at a picture and determine composition.
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Oh, I hear you man.
Just from what I’ve seen of Fedor, I would guess that he’s hovering around 16% body fat, but like you said- the only way we could know is by doing a real test.
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by ElliotMatheny on Apr 5, 2011 1:55 AM EDT up reply actions
There is absolutely no way to get an accurate BF estimate from pictures or even seeing them in person. Even skin calipers are notoriously inaccurate as 2 people who “look” identical, and even who caliper essentially identically can have internal and intramuscular fat differences that lead to several percentage points difference in total BF.
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by The American Ronin on Apr 5, 2011 1:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Yep. We`d need to cut him open...
Which could be detrimental to Fedor`s career…
It´s amazing the amount of fat you can accrue around your intestines. I remember from medschool… Some skinny guy could be all fat on the inside… Yuch.
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by BlueberryMuffin on Apr 5, 2011 3:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Ha!…although there are some here who might agree with your suggestion of cutting him open. We will have to stick with hydrostatic testing. As an aside, are you still in med school or finished? Any field preference yet?
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by The American Ronin on Apr 5, 2011 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions
The thing is that fighters like Antonio Silva are starting to become the norm of the Heavyweight Division. Guys cutting to 265 who move well for their size are appearing more and more as the sport keeps growing. Guys who aren’t 265 like Mitrione, Schaub and Velasquez are still much larger than Fedor, and they move well and aren’t plodding Heavyweights. With Fedor, there’s age and just Heavyweights getting better these days that’s working against him.
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Ive been saying this for years
and by no means am I the only one.
Seconded.
I was fine with him staying at heavyweight as long as he kept winning, but it’s obvious that the sport has evolved to a point where his skill and speed aren’t enough for him to cruise past young, talented, TRUE heavyweights.
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by ElliotMatheny on Apr 4, 2011 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Sorry to all the huggers out there but
Rogan goes out on tangents that are so off the wall. EVERY sport I can think of the athlete in that particular sport has progressed!!!!! WTF??? You think Jerry West could hang with Jordan? How but Babe Ruth with A-Rod? McEnroe with Sampras?? Arnie with Tiger Marciano with Tyson???? Football may be the exception to the rule…
Joe lay off the weed bro, it’s starting to catch up with ya…
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i dont get why you're bashing Rogan
you’re agreeing with him here…
by stiffUpperLip on Apr 4, 2011 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions
You should work on that selective listening
he said “in the last 20 years” and “our generation” multiple times
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by Cory Braiterman on Apr 4, 2011 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe I'm being a little too picky, I guess....
But still, shit MMA has only been around 20 years tops. OF COURSE guys are going to evolve. I used to like the guy but he’s kinda like Metallica. Yeah they were cool back in the day, but the things they say and do turned them into a buncha toolbags.
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by GirlsBeatMeUp on Apr 4, 2011 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Rogan’s always been like that.
Very few elite fighters from Fedor’s era are still here. I don’t think it’s a knock on his ability. He’s one of the last to resist the changing of the guard, but his time is over.
by M.Sphinx on Apr 4, 2011 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
If Cheick Kongo can do it, so can Fedor. People need to stop acting as if Cain is so far and above everyone else.
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Oh so fighters DONT improve. Gotcha.
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That’s besides the point and really not what I said at all. Try again.
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I’m not saying Fedor couldn’t hang with Cain, I’m just saying that your using the Kongo fight as an example isn’t entirely relevant. I think we’d both agree that Fedor and Cain are both much better fighters; Cain has just shown us that recently.
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It’s not beside the point at all. If that’s not what you’re trying to say, you don’t understand what you are saying.
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It is beside the point because nowhere did I even imply that Cain couldn’t improve at any point in his career. My point was that if Kongo could hang with Velasquez not too long ago, it shouldn’t be such a farfetched thought that Fedor can too. Reading comp 101, sign up for it.
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your thoughts don't make sense
because the counterpoint, as raised by Mandalore, is that Cain has improved by leaps in bounds since the Kongo fight, as evidenced by the Brock and Nog destructions.
Cain/Kongo happened on June 13, 2009. What has fedor done since? Observe:
W Brett Rogers
L Fabricio Werdum
L Antonio Silva
We can logically say that Cain has improved dramatically and Fedor has regressed some in the time since Cain fought Kongo. Thus, using the Kongo fight to judge the competitiveness of Cain/Fedor is just dumb.
You’re a fucking idiot 101
No need to call me a fucking idiot. That’s a bannable offense on here.
As for your reply, its clear you also have trouble with reading comprehension. As I said and as I’ll say again “nowhere did I even imply that Cain couldn’t improve at any point in his career”. Cain may have very well improved and/or fixed the holes in his game but those two fights (Lesnar and Nog) are hardly indicative of such improvement. In fact, many might very well argue that Cain could’ve taken out both an old Nog and striking incompetent Lesnar BEFORE the Kongo fight.
I find it quite amusing that you mention the date of the Kongo fight as if it was 10 years ago. It happened in June 2009 and considering Cain’s long layoff and surgery, that wasn’t that long ago buddy. That list of Fedor’s losses doesn’t mean shit. There’s no crossover between those fighters and each and everyone of those fighters might actually be better than Kongo, we don’t know. Your thoughts don’t make sense.
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Didn't you hear?
Anyone who wins the belt is completely untouchable. That is until they lose. Then they’re just punks who can’t take a punch.
Thank you.
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He's not be sarcastic
That is all true. I read it on the internet
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A Fedor who trains properly and sharpens his skills can beat anyone in the heavyweight division. A Fedor who trains in his comfy confines in Russia with mediocre sparring partners and only works on his boxing and casting punch, abandoning any serious ground game work, will get beaten by the elites.
He has become too predictable. The second round of the Silva fight was a perfect example. Bigfoot knew exactly what was coming, with the casting punch, ducked under it and did a routine take down. Fedor never got back up and never worked even remotely well in half guard and mount. He looked like an amateur. He has the skills, he just hasn’t sharpened them and I am sure he didn’t have a guy Bigfoot’s size get full mount on him in camp and whale on him so he could remember how to roll out to half guard from mount.
The Holland trip is a good sign since he is working both wrestling and kickboxing. He needs to recalibrate his ground game and he can get right back. Does he care enough tho?
casting punch...
…has this become a telegraphed overhand right?
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by ElliotMatheny on Apr 7, 2011 4:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Oscar Robertson
could last with Erving who could last with Bird who could match with M.J. who could last with Kobe who can last with Lebron/Wade/Durant
by Austin Martin on Apr 4, 2011 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm just saying, basketball is the wrong example
A prime Wilt could last with Kareem could last with Kareem, David Robinson, Shaq, now Howard. It goes that way at every position.
by Austin Martin on Apr 4, 2011 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions
If any basketball player from previous eras could hang with today’s best, it’s Kareem. It helps to have the unstoppable shot — Kareem either made the skyhook or missed on his own, but there was pretty much nothing the guy guarding him can do about it. You’d have to be 11 feet tall to have a chance of blocking the shot.
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Hakeem blocked it multiple times.
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by The American Ronin on Apr 5, 2011 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Your basketball math is way off
You honestly think that Oscar could put up the kinda numbers as MJ, Kobe, or Lebron in a 82 game season.
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by GirlsBeatMeUp on Apr 4, 2011 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Do you realize The Big O averaged a triple double…… For his career
by bigc4277 on Apr 4, 2011 6:15 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
During his prime*
*during the highest paced basketball in history AKA there were many, many more possessions to get points/rebounds/assists.
The game of basketball is incredibly more athletic now than even in the early 80s let alone before that, just watch the games. The early 80s definition of a fadeaway is an open jumper now. Bigger, stronger, faster.
Not afraid to nitpick
This is true
In all sports as well as general population. We are all healthier, stronger, smarter, etc than generations before us, by and large. The dieting and athletic tricks our athletes do with their bodies would be crazy talk to a guy in the 60s.
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I'm pretty sure Oscar is Lebron's dad
They are essentially mirror images of each other athletically. And Lebron’s mom…nevermind
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Do you realize that if "Big O" played in the NBA today...
He’d be lucky to average a double-double in 10 straight games. He was great but just two different eras.
Just like the Tyson-Ali question. If those two were to battle in their prime Ali would get obliterated, hands down.
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by GirlsBeatMeUp on Apr 4, 2011 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions
IDK about that tho
Its tough to generalize with the all-time greats. Ali was a special athlete and so is Oscar. By and large I agree with the sentiment, but if given the same playing field as far as training, diet and preparation, Ali is tough to bet against regardless of generation. Also, boxing (unlike basketball) was at the height of its popularity during Ali’s era. Its not like more athletes flocked to boxing after the Ali era. He was truly fighting the best of the best during his prime.
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Your completely wrong
These days we do have a higher level of medical care and longevity to the career, but the people I are all freaky athletes, and the later ones (MJ, Kobe) didn’t really start working out until later in their career. Great basketball players from the last 40 years, and I mean transcendent players, could last with the ones today.
by Austin Martin on Apr 4, 2011 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions
"Lay off the weed",
as if marijuana actually adversely effects your cognition. Do me a favor, and educate yourself before you say something stupid.
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by ElliotMatheny on Apr 4, 2011 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions
At 6'1 around 204
I’m bigger than Fedor, based on frame. If I weighed as much as Fedor, I would feel extremely fat, overweight and out of shape.
But if this guy has been training at a championship level for that long and still weighs that much, I doubt he’ll ever make 205
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He just
eats whatever the hell he wants.
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by ElliotMatheny on Apr 4, 2011 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Like whole mules and live oxen?
Lol, seriously can’t imagine weighing 235 lbs or whatever he weighs. Let alone fighting guys who cut to 265.
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Fedor has a solid layer of muscle
underneath the fat. I’d probably put him at around 15-18% B.F.
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by ElliotMatheny on Apr 4, 2011 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions
So how much do you think he weights at 8-10% before any kind of hydro cut?
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Well,
Based on the assumption that he’s hovering at around 15-18%, and got himself down to 8-10%, he would probably be around 210-215. From there, it wouldn’t be hard at all to cut the rest in water weight. He probably sweats out close to that during his sauna sessions.
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by ElliotMatheny on Apr 4, 2011 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions
On a somewhat related note
I want to see pictures of Anthony Johnson, BJ Penn, and Tim Sylvia hanging out ten years after they retire.
at a buffet of course
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by the-gentle-way on Apr 4, 2011 6:11 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Big Tim
is already one step ahead of you, my man.
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by ElliotMatheny on Apr 4, 2011 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Hahahahaha!!
BJ would be soooooo fat! It seems like the day he retires he’ll also retire from ever doing physical activity again…
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by Austin Wilson on Apr 4, 2011 8:19 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Idk man
he’ll probably go surfing quite a bit. And I imagine he’ll be training fighters as well (holding pads for a pro is actually a pretty good workout in itself)
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by ElliotMatheny on Apr 4, 2011 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Hahaha I know man it was a joke ;)
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by Austin Wilson on Apr 5, 2011 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Accurate in his assessment, is Joe Rogan.
by HarmlessNinja on Apr 4, 2011 5:40 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 2 recs
great insight Rogan
how about talking Genki Sudo out of retirement now?
Who's the only one here who knows illegal ninja moves from the government?
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thanks dude, now I gotta go to bed and try to get to sleep thinking of Genki coming back from retirement.
by basvanderwolk on Apr 4, 2011 5:58 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Fedor at 205
Would be a beast. He could probably extend his career 3 more years.
by High Knee Destroyer on Apr 4, 2011 5:53 PM EDT reply actions
Agree 100%
If he can still somewhat hang with the best heavyweights in his chubby frame, imagine how quick and explosive he would be at 205! I wanna see Fedor vs Jones!
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by Austin Wilson on Apr 4, 2011 8:22 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Ya that too!! Hopefully Shogun can get back into his form
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by Austin Wilson on Apr 5, 2011 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree with Rogan
I just don’t see Fedor losing the weight. I think he needs to do it to have a chance to be a champion again, but it’s hard to even imagine what Fedor would look like at 205, let alone how he would fight.
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Talent vs Age vs Size
It’s obvious that when talent is equal, being bigger should be an advantage in fighting. The thing is, when Fedor was younger he had the talent to bridge that size gap. Now, he’s older, a bit slower etc, and the size is much more of a factor.
Joe is spot on as usual. Cept all that moon stuff, that’s just crazy talk.
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exactly
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by the-gentle-way on Apr 4, 2011 6:20 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
It’s not just the size it’s the quality of fighters at that size. The overall talent level in the heavyweight division is drastically higher than it was 5 years ago. Was Bigfoot Silva a much bigger fighter than Fedor? Hell yea he was but that’s never been a problem before. What Fedor ran into isn’t just that Bigfoot was bigger it was that Bigfoot is also a tremendously talented and highly trained well rounded fighter. Even if Bigfoot was the same size as Fedor his skill level would of made for a competitive fight, with the weight advantage on top of the high level of skill and training then we can see what happened.
In 2006 no one could touch him at heavyweight but the division finally caught up to Fedor, I have to wonder at how successful he would be at light heavyweight where the talent level of fighters has always been way ahead of heavyweight? That would be a very interesting test for him at this point in his career.
Exactly. Fedor simply evolved as a well rounded fighter ahead of the other HWs (as BJ did at LW), reached a point and rested on his laurels. He won through technique, speed and fight IQ, areas he no longer has an overwhelming advantage in at HW.
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by The American Ronin on Apr 5, 2011 12:59 AM EDT up reply actions
what do you mean?
Everyone knows that Fedor does great against huge fighters like Hong Man Choi and Mark Hunt and Brett Rogers. Oh wait…
It's a real shame when there are guys not living up to their potential
over something so simple as diet. I know it’s one thing to expect everyone to cut like Johnson, but I think Fedor should be able to make 205 and still have enough fat leftover to render a whole crate of soap. It’s a shame to see a talent like his wither over the fact that he can no longer dominate people of a size he had no business dominating in the first place. Fedor is an incredible talent, and the talk of the game “passing him by” is in a way unfair because he was competing at a handicap in the first place by going up against guys far to much bigger than him. It’s only a matter of time that a guy like Bigfoot Silva came along with the requisite skills to prevent anyone in the world 55 pounds lighter than him from beating him. It’s just not a reasonable expectation anymore, and I would love to see Fedor fight at 205.
Those who think Fedor needs to stay at heavyweight because that’s where his legend was made, go cry into your pile of snotty “PRIDE never die” rags. His legacy is fine where it is, but I would love to see him compete, at least once, even past his prime and in unfamiliar territory, without the incredible handicap that made him famous. I would hate to see him go out like this (his size finally catching up to him) when he could once more prove that he’s got the stuff to compete with the best in the world.
LHW has long been more full of dangerous, well rounded fighters than HW
There is zero chance Fedor has an unbeaten run like he did if he fought at LHW instead, negating his speed and skill advantage.
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by The American Ronin on Apr 5, 2011 1:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Who says
He has to go unbeaten? I’d say his speed and head movement will serve him just fine at LHW. He might not have as much of an edge but he won’t have to survive under any 285 lb. guys again.
At LHW,
Fedor is no longer going to be consistently faster than his opponents. I doubt he is faster than Shogun, Rashad, or Lyoto, for instance. Also, his opponents will be much more skilled.
Will he win fights? I’m sure he would win a few. But I’d be shocked if Fedor broke the top 5 at LHW.
Whereas his recent bouts
Have demonstrated he’s doing just fine with that speed edge against guys 55 pounds heavier than he is, amirite?
I'm not saying that,
I think Fedor has been passed by a little bit. The best bet for him, imo, is to get a solid camp and work on his skills. It may be too late, but if he can modernize his skill set he should be competitive with the top level HWs. Going to Holland is a step in the right direction, but he should probably do much more.
At LHW, he would face opposition that is exponentially more skilled than he faces at HW. He won’t be faster, and his strength advantage frankly isn’t going to be that big at all. I think he gets wrecked by the majority of top 10 LHW’s. Would he win a few? Sure. But I think he is more competitive at HW than at LHW. No matter what, his days of being #1 are over.
Pretty much exactly as I see it too.
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by The American Ronin on Apr 5, 2011 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m not sure he would fare much better at LHW, there are too many skilled, athletic guys there, although it would be fun to see him do it in Strikeforce’s LHW class.
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by The American Ronin on Apr 5, 2011 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions
That was the assumption
I think he would fare poorly in today’s UFC HW against the top guys, and although we disagree on this point, I think he would do okay (not great) but okay at LHW.
Oh I agree he would do okay, pretty well even, but I don’t think he’d ever sniff a legitimate title shot.
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by The American Ronin on Apr 5, 2011 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
+1
I’m glad I’m not the only one who doesn’t think Fedor would automatically wreck the 205 division. He has always won by having better speed and endurance than his competition—along with being deceptively strong of course. At 205 his speed advantage would be completely gone, and the skill level of his opponents (assuming he fought top 10 guys) would be multiples higher.
What he needs is better training camps, not to change weight classes. Fedor may just be getting old.
He should train with Snooki (Size + Athleticisim)
by Wormwood on Apr 4, 2011 6:36 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
That’s better than Chyna’s version. I like how the blonde (Michelle McCool?) jumped in the air just before impact to maximize the visual effect.
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I figured it was to stop over-rotation
Wow that woman is tiny.
I was wondering why she did that until i realized that if she hadn’t, she prolly would have lost all of her teeth when snooki’s head smacked into her face
by Wormwood on Apr 4, 2011 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The fact that this video was the highlight of Wrestlemania
Proves I’m in the right place. Now I shall cast my hypo-critic scorn on those who still watch.
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I didn't exactly see UT and HHH on SportsCenter
Limping around for half a match and laying down the other half. Wrestling sucks now. Not even worth the virus on my computer I got from streaming it.
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Well the four foot chunky drunk is a mega-star for some unfathomable reason.
Well the four foot chunky drunk is a super star for some reason.
by who me on Apr 4, 2011 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I'll have respect for Snooki
when she can prove she knows how to read.
Yes, I completely stole that from wwtdd
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by Cory Braiterman on Apr 4, 2011 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Wait what?
That’s Snooki from Jersey Shore?
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by SentientAndroid on Apr 5, 2011 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions
The only downside of 205...
Is that while he’ll be fighting people his own size, he’ll also be fighting people with a greater skill level.
I don’t think anyone would disagree that the LHW Division (technique wise) overshadows the HW division. Though…the SF LHW Division is pretty thin. Also most or the top guys are in the UFC.
by A K I R A on Apr 4, 2011 6:49 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
But that’s the issue is it not? Fedor relies simply on his ability to win fights at HW. Are there guys who are more technically skilled in the HW division? Most probably, yes. But when you’re giving up 40/50/60 pounds come fight night, size plays a big part in the equation too.
Should he drop down to 205, he’s fighting guys who are a similar size and then we get to see where he is at, at this point in his career as far as his ability is concerned, rather than having to say “But he is so much smaller than X” every time.
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I'd personally
Love to see Fedor vs. Anderson at catch weight. That is a freaking super fight. The two greatest fighters of all time that have split the last decade (which will be the golden era of MMA)
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Someone posted a recent picture of Fedor on Sherdog, he’s lost a good 20 lbs so it seems like he will be dropping to LHW. I’m surprised BE hasn’t made an article out of that picture yet given that they write articles based on obscure post on UG by Dana or Rogan.
care to share a link?
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by DreamingOfFighting on Apr 5, 2011 5:58 AM EDT up reply actions
In today's game, diet is a weapon
Like it or not, it’s the reality. I give much respect to Fedor for not starving himself to gain an advantage, but imagine him at 205!! He would MURDER dudes.
Fedor vs Jon Jones = $$$$$
He wouldn't even have to starve himself
He just has to diet a little in between fights and I bet that he wouldn’t have to cut much.
I give much respect to Fedor for notstarvingcontrolling himself to gain an advantage,
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Johnson dropping 50 pounds is like Rampage doing the same – much of it is simply a steady loss of excess body fat over the course of a camp, with only part a true dehydration/rehydration cut.
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by The American Ronin on Apr 5, 2011 1:59 AM EDT up reply actions
This will be the only time
You hear Fedor and Anthony Johnsons name in the same sentence.
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by ANDERSONS GOT THE JUICE on Apr 4, 2011 8:25 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Fedor at 205
What made Fedor a great HW was his speed as well, he will propably lose that edge if he did fight at LHW, not to mention it would be the first time he would be cutting so i’m not sure how he would handle such a drastic change, he isn’t 20 years old.
All great fighters lose eventually, the whole Fedor problem starts and ends with his shoddy promotion M-1, they really put the payout ahead of their fighter in so many levels, he should retire, sadly i’m not interested in seeing another Fedor fight since most of the good HWs are fighting in the Grand Prix.
Nah man,
what made Fedor great was his ability to adapt and transition extremely well. Yes- he’s fast, yes- he’s strong, and yes- he hits hard. But really, it was his well rounded skills, his ability to excel from any position, his lightning quick transition game that set him apart from his contemporaries.
I wouldn’t say Fedor was significantly faster than a prime Crocop, Arlovski, or Randleman, but it was his patience, his smarts, his ability to adapt and react instantly that carried him to victory over all those men.
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by ElliotMatheny on Apr 4, 2011 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Fedor was very well rounded
for a HW. Even today he is well rounded, but particularly 5-10 years ago he was the MOST well-rounded HW about.
At LHW, there are much more well-rounded fighters. These guys are also more athletic and faster. Fedor would have serious trouble against someone like Jon Jones, or Machida, etc.
Rogan is absolutely right
Fed or cannot be competitive With modern super heavyweights and should drop down to LHW after fightIng Couture at a catch weight of 215.
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I don't think
they would be able to make that fight right now. Unless they would be willing to have Randy fight over in Strikeforce.
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by ElliotMatheny on Apr 4, 2011 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Randy is definitely the guy
To break in the new Strikeforce under Zuffa
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Ugh…some fighters’ genetics lend themselves to defeating heavier opponents through a characteristic that their smaller weight provides them: speed. See Edgar, Frankie and Johnson, Demetrious. As that speed fades, so to does their competitive advantage, which is unfortunately not one that can be located at a lower weight class.
"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito Ortiz on Vitor Belfort at Affliction:DOR
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