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Will the Nevada Commission License Chael Sonnen to Coach The Ultimate Fighter?

Chael Sonnen appearing before the California State Athletic Commission.

We posted Saturday that Dave Meltzer had reported that the UFC is looking at Michael Bisping and Chael Sonnen to coach the 14th season of The Ultimate Fighter

We didn't get into Meltzer's coverage of the complications that decision means for the UFC and the Nevada State Athletic Commission. Both Bisping and Sonnen are coming off a series of incidents that may give the commission pause. Bisping behavior during and after his last bout against Jorge Rivera, which included an illegal knee to the face of the downed Rivera and spitting on or at Rivera's corner post-fight is hardly laudable behavior but is far less problematic than Sonnen's issues.

Sonnen has pled guilty to a felony in a federal money laundering case and will be sentenced on April 8th. More problematically, Sonnen failed a drug test after UFC 117 and then gave testimony to the California State Athletic Commission claiming to have had conversations with Nevada Athletic Commission Executive Director Keith Kizer that Kizer denied. Cage Side Seats summed it up best:

While Chael Sonnen got his suspension cut in half at his hearing with the California State Athletic Commission this afternoon, he may have gotten himself in more trouble thanks to a statement about a conversation he claimed to have had with Keith Kizer, the Executive Director of the Nevada State Athletic Commission.  Sonnen claimed that he had spoken to Kizer about his use of testosterone as part of hormone replacement therapy, had the use approved by Kizer, and was told by Kizer that he didn't need to mention it again.  At the very least, Kizer had already told me that Sonnen had never requested a therapeutic use exemption for testosterone when it was revealed that Sonnen's claim would be based around testosterone replacement therapy.  With Sonnen's claim on the record involving a conversation with Kizer, I got in touch with him again to get his thoughts on what Sonnen said today.

He immediately noted that "I have never talked to Chael Sonnen in my life," regardless of the subject.  With regards to Sonnen's licensing in Nevada when the California suspension expires, he added that it would have to wait until after the California suspension expires, and then "if Mr. Sonnen wants to get a license here in Nevada, it's probably best if he appears before our commission as opposed to me giving him one administratively."  As far as the comments during the hearing could be an issue:  "Possibly.  I mean anything's a possible issue, but yeah, it's probably best that he appears before the commission and explains what he meant by that.  I'm very confused."

Sonnen then compounded his issues with Kizer by disputing Kizer's account of events.

With that background, we'll hear from Meltzer on the thinking and back room dealing going on in trying to book Sonnen and Bisping for TUF 14 in the full entry.

Update: Dana White commented on the issue to MMA Junkie:

White admits the NSAC issue could be a problem for any coaching plans. He confirmed he recently met with Kizer to discuss Sonnen's situation but didn't divulge details of the outcome.

As of now, though, White said no decisions have been made about the coaching slots.

"We have no clue who will coach; Chael has a ton of problems (right now)," White said.

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From The Wrestling Observer (subscription required):

The decision, rumored for weeks, is controversial and will likely be heavily criticized if it does happen. Some will say Bisping and Sonnen are being rewarded at a time when both should not be rewarded. On the flip side, the belief is that the two, because of their strong personalities and interviews, can create another dynamic similar to Rashad Evans and Quinton Jackson, or Ken Shamrock and Tito Ortiz, which resulted in not only the two highest rated seasons in the history of the show, but also huge PPV numbers in each case. I would not expect going in that these two will produce that level of business, but they are the type of personalities that one would expect to lead to a much talked about season. What this ultimately looks to come down to is how commission members will vote on Sonnen, or if UFC wants to risk Sonnen going before the commission given Kizer's assertion, that all evidence is true, that Sonnen lied, using his name, to get his California suspension for failing a steroid test reduced. UFC has a lot of pull, as their hierarchy includes former commissions and the former Executive Director, and their shows bring the commission a ton of revenue. I'm pretty sure if the commission had its way, they wouldn't want to go against UFC, but would also not want to be put on the spot and have to vote. So this could go a lot of different ways. If the feeling is Sonnen won't get the votes to get a license, rather than him apply and be turned down, I would think they will change plans. Chris Leben and Wanderlei Silva were names considered in the past for Bisping to coach against but they are trying to get Silva to fight Vitor Belfort on 7/2.

...if (Sonnen) does not apply, he would not be able to coach, eliminating a major boost to his career, name recognition and drawing power, as well as eliminate him from a major fight. Sonnen would be favored to win such a fight, and then earn a title shot. If Anderson Silva is still the champion, such a fight would be expected to do huge business, and even if Silva isn't champion, Sonnen with his verbal skills and coming off a high-profile win and challenging for the title would be expected to do strong business.

Sonnen, Lorenzo Fertitta, Dana White and other major UFC officials had a private meeting several weeks ago with the Nevada commission in an attempt to smooth things over and get Sonnen licensed. At the meeting, Sonnen was asked directly by Kizer why he claimed he had a conversation with him regarding approval of testosterone use when no such conversation took place. Sonnen admitted that he had never directly talked with Kizer, claiming he didn't mean to imply that he directly talked with him, but that his manager, Matt Lindland, had gone over his need for medical use of testosterone in February 2008, prior to his March 26, 2008, fight in Las Vegas with Bryan Baker. Still, there was no mistaking Sonnen at the California hearing saying he directly talked with Kizer, and on MMA Live right after, he reiterated that story. When Kizer's denial of a conversation ever taking place, he claimed Kizer told him to keep things quiet, that everything was taken care of, and that Kizer had to deny it due to HIPPA laws. In fact, that law is not applicable in this instance, and the only two cases where testosterone replacement therapy has ever been allowed in Nevada in the history of the sport are both basically public record, the cases of Dan Henderson and Todd Duffee.

Cage Side Seats explains Sonnen's current version of events regarding the he said/he said between himself and Kizer:

  • Sonnen's latest story is that he misspoke at his CSAC hearing and what he meant was that his manager Matt Lindland had dealt with Keith Kizer about his medical use of testosterone in February 2008, prior to Sonnen's fight in Nevada the next month.  Lindland via telephone corroborated Sonnen's story.
  • However, Kizer, when recalling his phone conversation with Lindland three years ago, claimed that he did indeed speak with Lindland about the procedure for getting a TUE, but that Lindland didn't mention Sonnen's name at the time and never followed up again afterwards.  Hmm, a cynic would suggest that they were scared off by all the hoops they would have to jump through to get an exemption.
  • Lindland disagreed with Kizer saying he followed up by email, though he wasn't able to produce that email for the commission nor could they themselves find it when checking their archives of deleted emails for the time period in question. 

The UFC is on the horns of a dilemma because it's precisely Bisping and Sonnen's behavior that drives fan interest in their coaching The Ultimate Fighter, but it puts their home-state athletic commission in a very awkward spot. 

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Sonnen is caught in a public lie regarding the commissioner of NSAC

I severely doubt he gets licensed any time soon anyway.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Apr 4, 2011 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

How was he caught in a public lie? For all we know, Kizer might be the one lying here. Nothing’s been proven, other than people hate Sonnen.

by Shnak on Apr 5, 2011 7:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Chewbacca defense next?

He was caught in a lie because he said things under oath that weren’t true regarding conversations he didn’t have with NSAC director. He claimed to have been authorized supervised testosterone replacement therapy and he was not. He pissed hot which still isn’t allowed under supervised testosterone replacement therapy.

What kind of proof would you like? Some fancy reproducible scientific experiment? No one can find the emails they claim were sent. Kizer could take the stand under oath?

by dr cagelove on Apr 5, 2011 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

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by Cory Braiterman on Apr 4, 2011 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think you should be shat upon at all

unless you know…that’s like your thing or something

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by Fake Emcee on Apr 4, 2011 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Glad to know i’m not the only one who doesn’t want to see two clowns (I apologize for FB) try to coach grown men when they can’t even manage to control their own actions.

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by MrTechnique420 on Apr 4, 2011 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bisping's spit was all he really did wrong.

There’s no proof or reason to believe that he deliberately kneed Rivera on the ground just for the fuck of it. Clearly he pulled the trigger too quick and that’s his fault, but I’m not quite ready to call the guy a cheater for ONE foul. I’d certainly not put him on the same level as guys who have taken PEDs and then committed financial fraud.

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by pdl on Apr 4, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

The spitting is enough for me.

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by Tim Burke on Apr 4, 2011 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Spitting at a guy who was dick to you for weeks and provoked you is not ok and shouldn't be rewarded.

It should be punished per the UFC’s Personal Conduct Policy. Oh. Right.

Being disrespectful and petulant isn’t the same as reportedly lying under oath, as I believe Sonnen was under oath at his appeal. Nor is it as bad as using PEDs for a fight, especially a high profile, headlining title fight. Not to mention committing fraud and only avoiding jail time by losing his real estate license and entering a plea deal.

I don’t see how the two guys are even in the same category.

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by pdl on Apr 4, 2011 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wouldn’t have them in the same category in terms of offensive things they’ve done, no. I do have them in the same category regarding my original statement – neither should be rewarded with a TUF spot based on the shit they’ve done.

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by Tim Burke on Apr 4, 2011 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good point

Bisping’s a hothead, not a cheater and a convicted felon.

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by TheFilt on Apr 4, 2011 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

He's not a convicted felon but...

I think spitting on someone can be considered assault…

by Atgreat on Apr 4, 2011 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

How about spitting at someone's feet?

Who did Michael Bisping spit on? NOBODY. It was horrible sportsmanship but lets stick with the facts here Bisping didn’t spit on a coach he spit at the feet of a coach.

by who me on Apr 4, 2011 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Feet are a part of people.

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by Tim Burke on Apr 4, 2011 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

On your feet is, At your feet isn’t. Bisping spit on the floor in front of someone.

by who me on Apr 4, 2011 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

He spit at the people. COME ON.

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by Tim Burke on Apr 4, 2011 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

The story is that he spit on the floor in front of the guy. Spitting on the floor in front of someone’s feet where I am from is the prelude to someone getting punched. It’s definitely an insult but it’s not spitting on someone. If people are going to be throwing around felony assault then they need to get the fact correct about what actually happened here.

by who me on Apr 4, 2011 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bisping’s version is that he spit at the floor. If you watch it, he clearly spit at the corner guys. Even his own boss believes that. They couldn’t punch him because they were on the other side of a cage wall, which made it even more cowardly. Obviously the assault thing is a little much, but playing down what he did doesn’t fly with me either.

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by Tim Burke on Apr 4, 2011 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m not playing it down at all. Heck in some places spitting at someone’s feet can also be considered assault (particularly if it’s a police officer). It’s just that if you are going to damn a man to hell for spitting you should at least get the spitting facts straight.

by who me on Apr 4, 2011 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Team sports comparisons never work.

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by Tim Burke on Apr 4, 2011 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Only Sith deal in absolutes

In this case, I think they totally work.

My point is just that it will make you crazy if you spend too much time worrying about guys getting what they “deserve,” whether they are team athletes, combat athletes or hedge-fund managers.

Tatum: I think he's a good man. I like him. I got nothing against him, but I'm definitely gonna make orphans of his children.

by Dave Strummer on Apr 4, 2011 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

God you are on a role. Both of these deserve a rec.

by castleeb on Apr 4, 2011 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Unless we’re arguing for collective bargaining rights for fighter. I on’t think that’s a rebuttal to his point.

by Anton Chigurh on Apr 4, 2011 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Clint Eastwood said it best...

“Deserve’s got nuthin’ to do with it, kid”

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by duck on Apr 4, 2011 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I respect your reasons but disagree

We were all talking about Brock being too boring and mild mannered just a few days ago, I thought we need characters on TUF. (I enjoy seeing the “real Brock”, but many want him to play the heel). We’ll see how the current season shapes up, but overall TUF has lost its luster with me. I would be more interested in seeing Sonnen and Bisping go at each other than anyone else I can think of right now. And if i’ts professionalism you desire, a good number of the fighter typically chosen are more akin to meatheads on an MTV show than professional athletes anyway. Say what you want about Bisping or Sonnen, neither are in the same league of classlessness as Junie Browning or many of the other clowns they put on that show.

by Anton Chigurh on Apr 4, 2011 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Seriously

Who the fuck am I supposed to root for in this situation? I can’t stand either of them.

by barpower on Apr 4, 2011 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

that Bisping & Sonnen’s behavior shouldn’t be encouraged, but I disagree with your 2’nd premise. Having these 2 men on TUF will deliver very good ratings, and that is definitely the best way to give exposure to the lighter weights. As much of a purist as I see myself as, I’ve gradually warmed up to the business aspects of the MMA game, and at least on TV- ratings are king. The way I see it, the more eyes we have on the little guys, the better.

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by ElliotMatheny on Apr 5, 2011 5:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

not the best bob

"Cry in the dojo. Laugh on the battlefield"

by lawdawgfightcrew on Apr 4, 2011 1:34 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Not the best Ambassadors of the sport

It would seem like they are getting rewarded for some terrible behavior. But it would be very entertaining!

"Cry in the dojo. Laugh on the battlefield"

by lawdawgfightcrew on Apr 4, 2011 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hope he gets licensed, he is the most intriguing characters in all of MMA
Only difference between Sonnen and the other fighters is he got caught
If you dont think fighters use PEDs I have an ice cream shop at the north pole to sell you

by nsiegel on Apr 4, 2011 1:37 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm a bit confused...

Sonnen has to be licensed by the NSAC to be a coach on TUF?

Or is his spot on TUF dependent upon him getting a license so he can fight after TUF?

by CB_MMA on Apr 4, 2011 1:40 PM EDT reply actions  

my understanding

based on reading Meltzer is that Sonnen would have to be licensed to coach TUF.

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by Nate Wilcox on Apr 4, 2011 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

He has to be licensed to coach. Or even to be there participating at all, even if not technically a coach or second.

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by The American Ronin on Apr 4, 2011 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I believe he needs a second’s license to be able to coach cageside.

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by Tim Burke on Apr 4, 2011 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

The fights are unsanctioned

because of the rules regarding reporting, etc. etc.

I was wondering this same thing myself. What is the specific license that one needs to “be around dudes training and in an unsanctioned fight”?

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by Cory Braiterman on Apr 4, 2011 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

The fights are sanctioned. This is only an issue if the UFC has to do the show in Nevada. It could go elsewhere and be fine.

Anyone who thinks the athletic commission is going to make a big stand and make some pretty important enemies is silly.

by Jonathan Snowden on Apr 4, 2011 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Anyone who thinks the athletic commission is going to make a big stand and make some pretty important enemies is silly.

This is something that will be resolved in meetings between Zuffa reps and the NSAC – if it makes it to a licensing hearing that means it has already been worked out.

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by The American Ronin on Apr 4, 2011 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not that I disagree

But why should the athletic commission be scared of making enemies? Shouldn’t it be the other way around?

BOOSH

by Farthammer on Apr 4, 2011 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

The UFC generates a whoooole lotta income for them.

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by Tim Burke on Apr 4, 2011 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

And is a nice place to end up when you feel you’ve finished your government service.

by Jonathan Snowden on Apr 4, 2011 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

True, but

real talk between business and government are private conversations about private matters. Had Sonnen never gone public with the Kizer BS this would be a non-issue. Because it did I don’t think it goes away as easily as most imagine.

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by The American Ronin on Apr 4, 2011 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

If it wasn't complete BS

I don’t think Kizer would care, but Chael(and Lindland now) lied and brought him into this.

"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."

by TheFilt on Apr 4, 2011 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Even so

I can’t see a government body publicly buckling if it came to that, particularly given that the Ferrtita’s main business is heavily regulated by the same state.

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by The American Ronin on Apr 4, 2011 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Remember, Fertitta was ON that commission. As Snowden alluded to above, guys get jobs with them after they’ve done their time (Marc Ratner). It’s not a black and white “government vs. private enterprise” thing. The whole thing is a big shade of gray.

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by Tim Burke on Apr 4, 2011 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s not just Ratner. Half their team has NSAC ties.

by Jonathan Snowden on Apr 4, 2011 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I understand who is involved, I am just saying that it is highly unlikely that it happens because of the way the Sonnen/Kizer thing played out so publicly.

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by The American Ronin on Apr 4, 2011 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Again, had this been more of an internal and less of a public issue, that sort of influence would have likely made the difference. Because it was in a very public forum, with a public reply and implied threat by Kizer, I don’t see this ending well for Sonnen, at least not in Nevada.

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by The American Ronin on Apr 4, 2011 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

NSAC may not want to get too pushy with Zuffa but lets face facts, Zuffa isn’t pulling out of Vegas regardless. They may figure something out behind the scenes but Kizer isn’t going to cave publically on this as his own reputation has been called out by Sonnen’s statements. The key here will be if they can do enough to build a buyable excuse for Sonnen’s comments that also lets Kizer stand by his statements and have Chael appear contrite enough for them to give him another chance. Kizer can’t be seen as being bullied by Zuffa and the relatively small MMA world, he still has to deal with all these big time boxing promoters too.

Besides would Zuffa really be willing to take this to the nuclear option level for Chael freaking Sonnen? If Kizer says no Zuffa’s going to say ok and get some new coaches for TUF (Sonnen/Bisping can go fight in another state). They aren’t going to butt heads like that for one guy to be on a reality show.

by who me on Apr 4, 2011 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

My thoughts exactly

The NSAC has never gave the UFC any real problems and even if they did, why not shoot the show somewhere else?

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by TheFilt on Apr 4, 2011 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

the two round fights are sanctioned?

since when. I thought that was the entire issue with going to two rounds and why Sherdog wound up on the shitlist.

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by Cory Braiterman on Apr 4, 2011 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

They're sanctioned exhibition matches

that’s why they have commission judges

Conducting an experiment on knocking people out in particular ways would be unethical.

by Chris Hall on Apr 4, 2011 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

They aren’t unsanctioned, they’re just considered exhibition matches.

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by Tim Burke on Apr 4, 2011 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

mmmmm

interesting semantics. I wonder why thats the case

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by Cory Braiterman on Apr 4, 2011 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

you don't have to report the results of exhibition matches

Conducting an experiment on knocking people out in particular ways would be unethical.

by Chris Hall on Apr 4, 2011 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

you don't have to do that either if its unsanctioned :P

I’m curious why the line even exists between exhibition, professional and unsanctioned tho

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by Cory Braiterman on Apr 4, 2011 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Because they’d take serious heat for running unsanctioned matches, considering how much they’ve publically pushed for sanctioning. There’s no reason for the fights to be unsanctioned, really.

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by Tim Burke on Apr 4, 2011 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exhibition bouts are still sanctioned and regulated by an athletic commission. Guys on Tuf have to make weight and they have judges and refs from the athletic commissions. Kizer frequently sits ringside at TUF bouts. The big difference here is that they don’t count on a guys record thus they don’t have to be reported (oh and TUF fighters don’t get paid for the fights).

by who me on Apr 4, 2011 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bold added
NAC 467.895 Effect of suspension or revocation of certain licenses. (NRS 467.030)

     1. Every promoter and matchmaker shall take notice of the bulletins of suspension sent out by the Commission and shall not permit any person under suspension to take any part as a participant or in arranging or conducting contests or exhibitions during the period of suspension.

     2. A person whose license has been suspended or revoked by the Commission shall refrain from participating in or matchmaking or holding contests or exhibitions during the period of suspension or after the revocation.

     3. A person whose license has been suspended or revoked is barred from:

     (a) The dressing rooms at the premises where any program of unarmed combat is being held;

     (b) Occupying any seat within six rows of the ring platform or, if the program is being held in a fenced area, within six rows of the platform of the fenced area;

     © Approaching within six rows of seats from the ring platform or, if the program is being held in a fenced area, within six rows of seats of the platform of the fenced area; and

     (d) Communicating in the arena or near the dressing rooms with any of the principals in the contests or exhibitions, their managers, their seconds or the referee, whether directly or by a messenger, during any program of unarmed combat.

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by The American Ronin on Apr 4, 2011 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

I think you are right.

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by The American Ronin on Apr 4, 2011 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thats a good point, it says nothing about unlicensed fighters! Since thats the case, they have absolutely no authority to keep him from the show. This is pretty much a debate ender right here.

by MRR1 on Apr 4, 2011 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, they still do. Because the fights are sanctioned, he needs some type of license to coach. Whether it’s a second’s license or whatever, I don’t know. I think it is, but I don’t know enough about it. Like Snowden said, they could simply do the show in another state to get around Kizer, but they’ve never done it in another state before so…who knows.

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by Tim Burke on Apr 4, 2011 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thats true, but the most i think they might be able to do is keep him from corning fighter, not from being in the same time zone like being suspended does. And tbh honest at that point it would be Kizer just being petty if he said he wasn’t allowed to corner either.

by MRR1 on Apr 4, 2011 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haha, why would it be him being PETTY?

Sonnen lied to the faces of another commission and, essentially, dragged Kizer’s name through the mud to do so. He has every right to be as hard on Sonnen as humanly possible.

by Jonathan. on Apr 4, 2011 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is it possible Sonnen wasn't lying *about Kizer*?

I’ve never had the highest opinion of either, to tell you the truth…

by Diz D on Apr 5, 2011 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

rec’d for winning the debate lol.

by MRR1 on Apr 4, 2011 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would love to see any combination of Sonnen, Bisping and Mayhem coach. Maybe knowing the coaches could be counted on for high level douche baggery they could focus on recruiting fighters based on fighting skill more than perceived reality TV friendliness.

Have to wonder if they didn’t get some sort of tacit approval from the NSAC prior to any public mention of this.

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by The American Ronin on Apr 4, 2011 1:41 PM EDT reply actions  

Correct me if I'm wrong

but I believe the prosecutor in the felony conviction is recommending only probation for Sonnen (part of the plea deal). The judge can obviously ignore that and jail the Chael, but I do not think his felony conviction will be barring him from coaching.

Does the Vegas athletic commission take into account his felony conviction in their decision making process (knowing Vegas’ history with troubled fighters, this seems doubtful)? What exactly is going to hold Chael up, a he said/Mexican guy said with Kizer?

I get neither guy should be awarded for their antics, but what are the real grounds to stop them?

Go Orange(men)!

by SUmonkey on Apr 4, 2011 1:42 PM EDT reply actions  

Sonnen lied under oath about talking to Kizer

regarding his testosterone replacement therapy in the course of a farcical testimony that included bringing an osteopath in to testify as his medical doctor.
If you actually take old fashioned notions like the law and the sanctity of governing bodies seriously it would be really hard to license Sonnen without a hearing. And if Sonnen appears before the NSAC I would expect he’d only compound the damage with more false and ridiculous statements.

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by Nate Wilcox on Apr 4, 2011 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

You really think Nevada isn’t going to license him again? I doubt Sonnen will go in there and put his foot in his mouth again if they make him attend a hearing after his suspension is up. He will go in there kiss Kieths ass, get licensed and it will be forgotten except for a few posters who will talk about it for the next 10 years or so(fuckin’ sonnen that dirty cheater!) Thats my prediction anyway!

by MRR1 on Apr 4, 2011 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have a feeling...

That Sonnen gets re-licensed without any major headaches. After his suspension is served, the arguments become a political he said/she said spin fest with nothing 100% provable either way. If Sonnen appears in front of the commission, I really don’t see any further punishment coming down the pike for Chael.

by Lodz on Apr 4, 2011 1:47 PM EDT reply actions  

A whole lot of Drama...

But in the end money talks. The NSAC will license both Sonnen and Bisping. Sonnen defeats Bisping with a unanimous decision and fights for the strap.

Michael Bisping - hahaha!

by MichaelD8 on Apr 4, 2011 2:10 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

I want to see Bisping vs Sonnen coaching against each other on TUF

I don’t care about everything else I just want to see them coach. I know it’s a strong possibility that it won’t happen but I don’t really care for Cruz or Faber. I think Bisping/Chael will get higher ratings and it will be generally more entertaining.

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by ANDERSONS GOT THE JUICE on Apr 4, 2011 2:10 PM EDT reply actions  

It will be more entertaining than just about any other combination of coaches but . . . I really doubt it will get higher ratings. Most non-MMA fans don’t know their backstories.

Remember, Chael Sonnen single-handedly made the PPV of UFC 117 reach $1 million. Except, that never actually happened.

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by VeeisAnimated on Apr 4, 2011 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think it would get higher ratings than Cruz/Faber. But then again I don’t care much about ratings because I will be watching it and that’s all that matters to me haha

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by ANDERSONS GOT THE JUICE on Apr 4, 2011 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't want to see Bisping

Sonnen can at least make a claim to be the #1 contender in that division, but Bisping, while a quality fighter, is clearly a notch below and his antics are way less amusing. 209 vs. Mayhem is still the best idea I’ve heard.

by Trust Doesn't Rust on Apr 4, 2011 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

209?

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by ANDERSONS GOT THE JUICE on Apr 4, 2011 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

diaz, et al

Conducting an experiment on knocking people out in particular ways would be unethical.

by Chris Hall on Apr 4, 2011 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

You want to have a fun season of TUF?

Do a Strikeforce vs UFC coaching scenario. Think King Mo vs Jon Jones or, even though he was just on, Nick Diaz vs Kos. There are other ways to make it interesting without having a convicted felon and a brat headline the show.

by memitim on Apr 4, 2011 2:20 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Best ufc vs strikeforce scenario

is bisping vs mayhem. Its arguably even better than bisping sonnen.

by xicer on Apr 4, 2011 2:58 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I know the weightclasses are different but I think Rampage vs. Mayhem could be fun

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by DreamingOfFighting on Apr 4, 2011 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

what is the timetable for when this season would be filmed/aired?

just curious how long we could expect to see these two out of action for.

by woooburn on Apr 4, 2011 2:21 PM EDT reply actions  

I think the idea was having the TUF 14 coaches fight in December. Film in the summer, show starts in September, guys fight at the end of the year.

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by Tim Burke on Apr 4, 2011 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

perfect. thanks.

not too concerned about either sonnen or bisping, just didn’t want anderson sitting on the shelf for too long (if the gsp or okami fights don’t materialize).

by woooburn on Apr 4, 2011 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm pretty sure it will be soon

since they’ve already had try outs for the contestants.

by av1o3 on Apr 4, 2011 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Television is entertainment

These two guys would be very entertaining.

by High Knee Destroyer on Apr 4, 2011 2:31 PM EDT reply actions  

Glad there is finally an article on this topic here. This could be the big issue surrounding whether Chael will be on TUF or not.

by who me on Apr 4, 2011 2:36 PM EDT reply actions  

Junkie just reported Dana said it’s looking ‘unlikely’ for Chael to be the coach fyi.

by MRR1 on Apr 4, 2011 2:49 PM EDT reply actions  

added

thanks!

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by Nate Wilcox on Apr 4, 2011 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

In fact, that law is not applicable in this instance, and the only two cases where testosterone replacement therapy has ever been allowed in Nevada in the history of the sport are both basically public record, the cases of Dan Henderson and Todd Duffee.

Bwa? Todd Duffee is allowed testosterone replacement therapy? He’s 25 and stacked as hell. I can see Hendo because he’s 40, but Duff? Seems off to me.

by Confucius on Apr 4, 2011 2:49 PM EDT reply actions  

:D

Come one when you look at Todd Duffee isn’t the first thing that comes to mind " naturally low testosterone levels"?

by who me on Apr 4, 2011 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

gaa, it's been one of those days......

unnaturally low testosterone levels

by who me on Apr 4, 2011 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hmm

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by DreamingOfFighting on Apr 4, 2011 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hope they do license him

Tuf is beyond stale to me, but I could watch he and Bisping go at though. It would also be interesting to hopefully see Sonnen out of character, because I’m fairly sure he hams it up quite bit. I know Bisping has a genuine douchey streak, I’d like to see if Chael really does as well.

by Anton Chigurh on Apr 4, 2011 7:11 PM EDT reply actions  

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