UFC 129 Fight Card: GSP Not Afraid of Jake Shields' Ground Game
by Nick Thomas on Apr 4, 2011 6:56 PM EDT
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UFC welterweight Georges St. Pierre is set to headline UFC 129 in front of the biggest crowd (55,000) in UFC history in Toronto, Canada on April 30th. He'll be facing Jake Shields, the former EliteXC and Strikeforce champ who's returned to his natural 170lb fighting weight in the UFC. GSP spoke to the UFC's cameras about the fight:
"Jake Shields hasn't lost in six years. He has won 15 fights in a row. But he hasn't fought me. The UFC world title is a different game."
"He's the guy that I've wanted to fight for a long time. I think he's the greatest fighter at welterweight now, he's the guy to beat. The best guys are going to clash together that night and it's going to be a good fight."
"Jake Shields is the best jiu-jitsu guy in the UFC right now. I know what he wants to do to me. He's going to want to set up his takedown with striking, put me down, mount me and try to submit me from there."
"He doesn't know what I'm going to do to him. I can try to knock him out standing up or knock him out on the floor or try to submit him. I'm not afraid to go on the floor with him and that is something different that he never faced before. Everyone that he ever fought, they were afraid to go on the floor with him but not me."
"I'm a clever fighter. I will dictate the pace of the fight, I will fight my fight and this fight will finish with still UFC Welterweight Champion Georges "Rush" St. Pierre."
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maybe he should not
but as he is saying that, for me it is more and more likely he will jab his way through a decision…
Jab?
Jake has neither Koschek’s chin nor power. GSP has nothing to fear on the feet, Jake is gonna get blasted.
Jake ate a powershot from Hendo, which is probably harder than Kos has ever been hit in MMA…imo he has a better chin than Kos, though not the power.
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by The American Ronin on Apr 4, 2011 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
And not just one, either. Shields ate a good half dozen right hand bombs in that first round, and the fact that he managed to recover is pretty astounding, really.
"I want to tell me what you see, let's go ahead and see by in the fight, what you saw, in the ring." - Tito Ortiz
While
it is impressive that Shields survived that round, it also shows that he’s very much susceptible to being hit early, hard, and often. And unlike Hendo, GSP should be able to not only stuff the takedowns, but also the sweeps that Shields likes to switch to following his shots.
From the top, GSP can play a game similar to Melendez/ Aoki.
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by ElliotMatheny on Apr 4, 2011 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Since when does Josh Koscheck have a great chin?
And since when does GSP have great KO power? I’d bet against a KO in this fight all day long and twice on Sundays.
What kind of odds can I get betting on a UD?
Tatum: I think he's a good man. I like him. I got nothing against him, but I'm definitely gonna make orphans of his children.
by Dave Strummer on Apr 4, 2011 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions
-15000
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by lowellthehammer on Apr 4, 2011 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Put me down for $15k
Tatum: I think he's a good man. I like him. I got nothing against him, but I'm definitely gonna make orphans of his children.
by Dave Strummer on Apr 4, 2011 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Me as well.
I’d be surprised if prop bets are even allowed on GSP fights at this point. It’s pointless.
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by lowellthehammer on Apr 4, 2011 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think that he will in that GSP has shown in the past that he does not fight towards his opponent’s strength. He stood with Koscheck and Fitch, but took down Hardy and Alves. However, if the fight hits the floor, while Shields is much better at BJJ, GSP is no slouch either. If Kampmann was able to survive and get out of bad positions on the floor against Shields, I don’t see why GSP couldn’t do the same.
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Everyone that he ever fought, they were afraid to go on the floor with him but not me.
Guess you missed the Mayhem fight Georges…
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by The American Ronin on Apr 4, 2011 9:00 AM EDT reply actions
Honestly
go back and watch that fight again. Everyone says this, but that RNC was NOT under the chin and Jake was doing the right things to keep it that way. Not saying Miller couldn’t have got it given time, but how close Jake was to losing is being greatly exxagerated by his detractors.
He had his back with a figure 4 around his midsection and looked like he was initially doing some sort of neck crank. At the end it looks like he got under his chin but at that point Jake knew the round was seconds from ending and may have relaxed his defense. If he had another minute or even 30 seconds he probably could have finished it, but there are many, many other fights we could say that about as well.
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by The American Ronin on Apr 4, 2011 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions
shields kappman ended with
Jake having a body triangle and working a choke. Kappman was maybe saved by the bell/time limit. Few can survive jake locking in a bodytriangle.
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by the-gentle-way on Apr 4, 2011 10:33 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You are more knowledgeable about the nuances of BJJ than I am, 0bjectively how likely was Mayhem to finish his at the end of R3 given a little more time in your opinion?
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by The American Ronin on Apr 4, 2011 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions
had more of a "Dan sevren choke" opposed to a classic rnc.
Its not quite as tight, jake was tugging at the arms so that took some of the squeeze away ,he had his jaw under which is a crap defence but it buys you time……. if there was 60(maybe less) more seconds jake was going to sleep.
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by the-gentle-way on Apr 4, 2011 11:02 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
miller is a high level bjj guy.
If he has you locked up in a bodytriangle you are in deep shit, but Jake saw the clock he knew he was in no real danger because of it.
He wasn’t anywhere close to going to sleep because of the clock. If Mayhem would have had 1 or 2 mins…………. jake very well could have been taking a nap…… BUT IF THE QUEEN HAD BALLS SHE’D BE THE KING. We can only wonder how hard Jake was trying due to the clock.
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by the-gentle-way on Apr 4, 2011 10:56 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 3 recs
GSP's got all around game
No real weakness in standing, wrestling, and ground game… That’s a tall order.
Has there been any word regarding Shields’ weight thus far? If he has another hard time making cut and we see the same Jake we saw at ufc 121 against Kampmann, we might actually see GSP finally finish somebody off.
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@ finishing sombody off…
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by SentientAndroid on Apr 4, 2011 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Im prepared for another GSP snoozefest where he does enough to win but nothing more. I thank Serra for robbing us of exciting GSP fights with his lucky punch
That’s when he can just lay on his opponent, he can’t (too risky IMO) and won’t do that with shield (standing makes more sense), he will do like he did with KOS, except shield got no KO power, so there won’t be any reason to hold back. OR shields takes him down and submit him before GSP stands up, cause he will.
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GSP fan brings up the Fitch fight in 3...2...
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by lowellthehammer on Apr 4, 2011 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
If THIS fight isn’t exciting I’ll do like nsiegel and expect the worst from every GSP fight. But I think that if there is one fight where GSP can have some fun in the stand up, it’s that one.
Boys becoming men...Men becoming wolves
JESUS CHRIST
Has everyone forgotten the BJ fight already?
And this: 
And this? 
You people are so fucking greedy.
I love when the pic of Kos is used as evidence of an exciting fight as if it means anything.
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by lowellthehammer on Apr 4, 2011 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes, good striking technique is so boring to watch. A guy punching the other in the eye for 5 rounds is so blasé. Whenever shall the monotony end?
I mean you can talk to me as if I'm some sort of heathen all you want
for not being thrilled to watch a guy jab his opponent for 25 minutes. It was pretty monotonous. Sorry if that offends you.
"[UFC]’s a great rush, eh? It makes your sphincter get real tight." - Harold Howard
by lowellthehammer on Apr 4, 2011 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Ok dude.
Agree to disagree. I’m gonna go put on my monocle and watch some cricket or something. Is that what snobs watch? I’ll give it a shot.
To be a snob you have to be British I guess?
Or maybe to be British you have to be a snob. The world may never know.
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by lowellthehammer on Apr 4, 2011 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Water hollows out a stone, jab hollows out a Koscheck.
".He still has a ground game that seems heavily dependent on lying still and hoping that his opponent won't notice his very kimura-able arm..."
by dancingChicken on Apr 4, 2011 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh yeah
who wouldn’t be thrilled to watch the same technique utilized again and again without much variation.
Seriously brah, I’m sure there’s plenty of Olympic curlers out there with picture perfect technique but that doesn’t mean I look forward to sitting through perfectly executed monotony.
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You can't blame Georges
for doing what was working extremely well. If he’d thrown more right hands, he would’ve run the risk of getting hit by a counter. GSP dominated Koscheck and you can’t really ask any more of him.
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by ElliotMatheny on Apr 4, 2011 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh I'm not trying to critisize George for fighting that way at all
but at the same time it really wasn’t the most exciting fight to watch.
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I wasn't that bored by it.
I was actually quite impressed by GSP’s ability to mix up his jabs, superman jabs, and kicks all together.
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by ElliotMatheny on Apr 5, 2011 5:31 AM EDT up reply actions
I thought that was the Koscheck fight.
I tend to be biased towards strikers . . . exciting strikers.
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by VeeisAnimated on Apr 4, 2011 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Kos always threatened with his power, it was always part of the discussion, not here.
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I always thought Koscheck power was overrated. Some guys
I tend to be biased towards strikers . . . exciting strikers.
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by VeeisAnimated on Apr 4, 2011 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
I think he is one of those guys like Bader – yes, if he winds all the way up and catches you squarely its going to do some damage, but most competent strikers see it coming a mile away.
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by The American Ronin on Apr 4, 2011 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
I hope gsp swings for the fences!!!!!!
So jake can change levels , hit him with a blast double, mount him, and lock in a mounted gil-O-teen =).
Gotta say its pretty smart to go work with Roger Gracie, but Marcelo might have been a better choice. Gsp and marcelo have a much more similar body type. Some of Rogers tricks wont be as effective for Gsp as they are for Roger. I would kill to train with Roger or Rickson. Does anyone know how much a Roger private lesson is?
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by the-gentle-way on Apr 4, 2011 10:41 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I thank Serra for robbing us of exciting GSP fights with his lucky punch
Note how only one of those fights comes after the Serra fight.
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by lowellthehammer on Apr 4, 2011 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions
What about it?
Is there some reason why we shouldn’t think the fight where GSP launches more offense than any fighter ever has in a fight before isn’t entertaining?
by Seneca Savoie on Apr 4, 2011 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Where did I say it wasn't?
Defensive GSP fan is defensive.
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by lowellthehammer on Apr 4, 2011 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions
"Lucky Punch"
Like the man himself said:
I threw that punch to hurt him and it hurt him. How is that lucky?
“The harder I train, the luckier I get.” – the Gracie’s love throwing that one around.
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by the-gentle-way on Apr 4, 2011 12:49 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah,
there’s no such thing as a lucky punch. Low percentage/ improbable/ unexpected punch? Sure. There is no luck, though. You can’t call a punch landing a “freak accident”.
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by ElliotMatheny on Apr 4, 2011 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Doesn't have to fear it
just has to respect what Shields does well and GSP should win this fight
personally I expect to see GSP bring out a new toy to go with his jab in his striking game to pick Shields apart standing.
stop writing what GSP says right underneath the video…Unless you type it in his awesome accent.
“Jake Shield aven’t loss in six years. He have won 15 fight’ in a row. But he haven’ fought me. The UFC world title is a different game.”
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by Hendo_One-Shot on Apr 4, 2011 9:26 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
You’ve misspelled “have”.
/French Grammar Nazi /
".He still has a ground game that seems heavily dependent on lying still and hoping that his opponent won't notice his very kimura-able arm..."
by dancingChicken on Apr 4, 2011 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
not sure if serious.
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by Hendo_One-Shot on Apr 4, 2011 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Of course not.
He
haveave won 15 fight’ in a row. But hehaven’aven’ fought me
".He still has a ground game that seems heavily dependent on lying still and hoping that his opponent won't notice his very kimura-able arm..."
by dancingChicken on Apr 5, 2011 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Why would he fear taking Shields to the ground? Has Jake Shields ever come close to submitting anyone top tier off his back? In fact, has Jake Shields submitted anyone top tier AT ALL in recent history? What, because he guillotined Semtex, GSP is supposed to be concerned?
*armbarred. He guillotine’d Lawler, not Daley.
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by Hendo_One-Shot on Apr 4, 2011 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions
He also
guillotined Fitch in a sub grappling match. His guillotine over Thompson was a topside/ mounted guillotine.
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by ElliotMatheny on Apr 4, 2011 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Cesar Gracie black belt, all american wrestler, pan am champ and ADCC medal
Shields has legit submission chops, even if maybe it doesn’t appear so by looking at his fight finder
I don’t think Shields is a danger to GSP off his back, or even particularly on top, in the unlikely event he ends up there. Where I do think he is a serious threat to GSP is during any scrambles that occur, particularly towards the end of a takedown by GSP.
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by The American Ronin on Apr 4, 2011 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions
i do
Askren got subbed by shields off his back iirc. Just because no one can put him there doesn’t mean he doesn’t drill it all the time.
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by the-gentle-way on Apr 4, 2011 10:49 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Well...not in that training video of the two of them that was released.
There was once where Ben was attempting a single and Jake hopped guard and put Askren in a guillotine while Ben was still standing and maintained it onto his back before eventually rolling and making him tap though.
Its the AJJ/BJJ first instincts Jake has to go along with his high level wrestling that make him so dangerous imo. He uses different hand placements than most wrestlers seem to and he manages to tweak his position a little such that it seems to give the wrestlers the impression he is going where they want him to, not realizing he wants that too by that point.
I certainly wouldn’t be shocked if he takes or drags GSP down at some point, as I think he will be willing to take some risks on the feet early on to try to get his hands on GSP. If he does manage to get him down, or if GSP takes him down, I wouldn’t be surprised in the slightest if he submits him mid-scramble.
I honestly think this will be among the most boring GSP fights ever if he has his way – nothing but jabbing and back pedaling with the occasional safe takedown at the very end of rounds.
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by The American Ronin on Apr 4, 2011 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions
youre right i was thinking of that guillotine.
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by the-gentle-way on Apr 4, 2011 11:41 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I can try to knock him out standing up or knock him out on the floor or try to submit him
Come on . . . come on. GSP is definitely a little bit more accurate than Dan Henderson but . . . Shields is a tough fighter. He’s been able to withstand two KO ending punches from Dan Henderson. Maybe there were other factors involved like the weight limit but GSP should simply be honest.
“I’ll try to KO Shields” sounds better.
I tend to be biased towards strikers . . . exciting strikers.
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erm. there’s a difference between “I can try” and I’ll try"?
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by Hendo_One-Shot on Apr 4, 2011 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Note the bold.
I can try to knock him out standing up or knock him out on the floor or try to submit him
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by lowellthehammer on Apr 4, 2011 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions
meh, don’t bother. he wants GSP to say “there’s no chance that I’m knocking shields out”
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by Hendo_One-Shot on Apr 4, 2011 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Anything else is just uppity Canadian arrogance.
by Chg91 on Apr 4, 2011 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
My bad, I totally missed that.
I’m just surprised that he’s even bothering talking about knocking opponents out. We know he has the ability but for some reason or another, its just not happening.
If there ever was a modern GSP fight that can end in (T)KO, it is this one.
I tend to be biased towards strikers . . . exciting strikers.
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by VeeisAnimated on Apr 4, 2011 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Shields only chance of winning is getting GSP down.
To bad for him GSP probably has the best TDD in the Division he blocks something like 76% of all takedowns and lands 75% off his own. Shields also has a pretty slow shot, he normally gets people down in the clinch like he did Kamp. However GSP wont just stand their while Shields holds him on the cage he will be much faster the Shields and will go to town on him in the stand up. I no people some folks dont like the comparison, but this fight will look like GSP vs Fitch. Where GSP blocks every single TDA and Just unloads on him striking wise because Fitch cant hit for shit.
Jules: Normally, both your asses would be dead as fucking fried chicken, but you happen to pull this shit while I'm in a transitional period so I don't wanna kill you, I wanna help you. But I can't give you this case, it don't belong to me. Besides, I've already been through too much shit this morning over this case to hand it over to your dumb ass.
I’m sure its way over 76%
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by Hendo_One-Shot on Apr 4, 2011 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions
These stats were posted by Shnak
Here are the takedown attempts made on GSP in the UFC:
Koscheck II: 1/4
Hardy: 0/0
Alves: 0/0
Penn II: 0/1
Fitch: 0/6
Serra II: 0/0
Hughes III: 0/3
Koscheck I: 1/4
Serra: 0/0
Hughes II: 0/6
Penn I: 1/1
Sherk: 0/3
Trigg: 0/1
Miller: 1/6
Hughes I: 2/7
Hieron: 0/3
Karo: 0/2
And to the flip side, here are the takedown attempts GSP did to those same fighters:
Koscheck II: 4/9
Hardy: 11/11
Alves: 10/12
Penn II: 4/7
Fitch: 7/9
Serra II: 4/5
Hughes III: 3/3
Koscheck I: 2/2
Serra: 0/1
Hughes II: 1/1
Penn I: 4/5
Sherk: 3/4
Trigg: 1/1
Miller: 5/5
Hughes I: 1/1
Hieron: 0/1
Karo: 6/8
Overall: 66/85.
Is it possible GSP is both the best at taking his opponents down while being the best at not being taken down by his opponents? It seems likely just by looking at these numbers.
Jules: Normally, both your asses would be dead as fucking fried chicken, but you happen to pull this shit while I'm in a transitional period so I don't wanna kill you, I wanna help you. But I can't give you this case, it don't belong to me. Besides, I've already been through too much shit this morning over this case to hand it over to your dumb ass.
by RJshock 305 on Apr 4, 2011 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
86.4% defended vs. 77.7% landed
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by lowellthehammer on Apr 4, 2011 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Thanks for some reason I kept getting 78% defended.
Oh well the point is if GSP blocks 86% of TD then i dont think Shields can get him to the ground.
Jules: Normally, both your asses would be dead as fucking fried chicken, but you happen to pull this shit while I'm in a transitional period so I don't wanna kill you, I wanna help you. But I can't give you this case, it don't belong to me. Besides, I've already been through too much shit this morning over this case to hand it over to your dumb ass.
People with much better wrestling credentials than Jake Shields have had little to no success getting GSP down. The only way this goes to the ground is if GSp wants it to
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by MattParker117 on Apr 4, 2011 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree, I highly doubt Jake will be able to get GSP down.
Kos was the only guy with an explosive enough TD to get 1 TD per fight.
GSP great fighter
GSP is just such a talented fighter and he’s such a nice guy that sometimes we lose fact that he’s truly a champion and while Jake Shields is no slouch I don’t think he’ll come close to winning. The knock on GSP that he doesn’t finish fights doesn’t hold water with me, you win any way you can, a win is a win. When I boxed I ALWAYS wanted a KO, within the first 30 sec if possible..why not? You’re in and out before you know it and the crowd loves it, but it doesn’t always happen that way. Some guys are very good defensively and some have an iron chin so you have to be smart about it and get the win any way you can.
I think
this is the fight where gsp gets a knockout. Just a gut feeling.
Damien Maia
has the best BJJ in the UFC. Shields is not even in the top 3…
I think Shields is easily in the top-3 in BJJ for MMA in the UFC, although perhaps not pure BJJ. Much like GSP is one of the 2 best MMA Wrestlers, but probably not even top-5 in pure wrestling.
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by The American Ronin on Apr 4, 2011 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Exactly.
People tend to forget that.
Jules: Normally, both your asses would be dead as fucking fried chicken, but you happen to pull this shit while I'm in a transitional period so I don't wanna kill you, I wanna help you. But I can't give you this case, it don't belong to me. Besides, I've already been through too much shit this morning over this case to hand it over to your dumb ass.
he is 3 to 5 or so ??? this is my mma bjj list for the ufc.
And probably #2 W.W. by bjj credentials. I still give the nod to Bj as one of the top dogs. Some disagree…… they are of course wrong and should be ashamed of themselves.
1.Maia
2.Bj
3.Shields
4. Paul harris ( he would be higher but leg locks are an all or nothing game you always give up position when you miss. not good for mma cause you can get mounted and/or pounded.)
5. Dos Anjos- he is slick but still coming into his own.
6. Big Nog- he’s a legend and one of my all time favorites. But without his terminator like chin his bjj is less than useful. He has always blocked an incredible amount of shots with his face before getting the sub.
7. Little nog- good but he was never his bigger brother, never will be.
8.big country- the black belt I would want to fight least.
9. J.O.E – he is only this low because of inactivity.
10. I guess I am gonna have to go with Mir.
If they are on my list I think they are great and I am envious of some or all of there skills. Being # 10 still means you are a God damn killer.
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"Wanderlei eventually got to his feet and stalked Fujita like a Japanese octopus in an all-female prison." - Sean Baby Cracked.com
by the-gentle-way on Apr 4, 2011 11:35 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
How would you rank them
on effectiveness in MMA rather than credentials?
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by The American Ronin on Apr 4, 2011 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Isn't that ranking based on effectiveness in MMA? Seemed to me, at least
Also, no G-Sot?
Might be a slow morning for me, but who is JOE?
He ranked them by BJJ credentials, not by what they have actually done or shown in MMA. And JOE is Einemo (his initials).
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"Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid." -John Wayne
by The American Ronin on Apr 4, 2011 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
no it was both.
But it was less about accomplishments and more about where I think there games are at.
The nogs would have been damn near at the top at one point, now not so much.
Its completely subjective and unscientific. Just my style.
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by the-gentle-way on Apr 4, 2011 12:17 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
g-sot is very good.
He could be on the list, but who would you take off?
"True strength is not always shown through victory. Stand up, try again and display strength of heart." - Rickson Gracie
"Wanderlei eventually got to his feet and stalked Fujita like a Japanese octopus in an all-female prison." - Sean Baby Cracked.com
by the-gentle-way on Apr 4, 2011 12:43 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I'd take off Einemo
He hasn’t fought in years. Who knows where his MMA BJJ is at?
Also, you think dos Anjos is better than G-Sot? I think the latter has shown greater success against better competition.
i will give you that one.
Dos anjos is really smooth but I could see gsot taking his place.
"True strength is not always shown through victory. Stand up, try again and display strength of heart." - Rickson Gracie
"Wanderlei eventually got to his feet and stalked Fujita like a Japanese octopus in an all-female prison." - Sean Baby Cracked.com
by the-gentle-way on Apr 4, 2011 2:41 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
hmmmmmm......?
See its hard because Bj and shields are so different.
Bj is a great wrestler/judo player.Bj is sick off his back with sweeps ,his octopus guard and subs too. With Bj all paths lead to the back. Bj wants blood or you to go sleep. And has nasty gnp when his opponents are grounded.
Shields has an awesome single, strong passing and a killer mount position(but hits like a chick). Jakes style is appealing to the judges. Plus he aways remembers “position before submission” so he’s always endangering with the potential sub and doesn’t get reversed. Plus he is big and strong.
I give the edge to because mostly because of bj’s boxing/ground and pound. You don’t know what to expect with Bj and he has fight ending capabilities from all position .
Shields only has one pitch ,his subs. Its a 101mph fast ball the question is can you hit it? But judges also love his style…. so their is that.
This one is a coin flip really.
I admire both of their skill sets for different reasons.
Side note: If Jake would knock off that silly vegan shit and devlop a taste for blood he may gain the clear edge. Its hard to be a predator who doesn’t like to kill. Lol
"True strength is not always shown through victory. Stand up, try again and display strength of heart." - Rickson Gracie
"Wanderlei eventually got to his feet and stalked Fujita like a Japanese octopus in an all-female prison." - Sean Baby Cracked.com
by the-gentle-way on Apr 4, 2011 12:13 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
What about Souza?
and who’s J.O.E.?
Anderson Silva, Edson Barboza, Jose Aldo, Charles Oliveira, Thiago Alves = Muay Thai wrecking machines!
by SentientAndroid on Apr 4, 2011 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Not UFC. Yet.
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by The American Ronin on Apr 4, 2011 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions
haha
yeah gzl, same for me. Ok well what about out of the top 3 promotions, (UFC, Strikeforce, and Bellator)? What’s your top 10 bjj list of fighters from those?
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by SentientAndroid on Apr 4, 2011 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Roger
Souza
Maia
Bj
Shields
Aoki
Paul harris
Big nog
Diaz
Big counrty
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by the-gentle-way on Apr 4, 2011 1:43 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Werdum?
".He still has a ground game that seems heavily dependent on lying still and hoping that his opponent won't notice his very kimura-able arm..."
by dancingChicken on Apr 4, 2011 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
and the little fellas like Yahya?
".He still has a ground game that seems heavily dependent on lying still and hoping that his opponent won't notice his very kimura-able arm..."
by dancingChicken on Apr 4, 2011 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah....
He’s good for sure. He could be on the list. Like I said I just rattled off some names.
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by the-gentle-way on Apr 4, 2011 1:52 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
omg i forgot werdum
- werdum
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by the-gentle-way on Apr 4, 2011 1:50 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
errr
I mean # 4
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by the-gentle-way on Apr 4, 2011 1:50 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
that was jsut off the top of my head.
The more I think about it outside of the top three it gets cloudy.
"True strength is not always shown through victory. Stand up, try again and display strength of heart." - Rickson Gracie
"Wanderlei eventually got to his feet and stalked Fujita like a Japanese octopus in an all-female prison." - Sean Baby Cracked.com
by the-gentle-way on Apr 4, 2011 1:49 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
i gotta disagree georges.....
Jake Shields is the best jiu-jitsu guy in the UFC right now
i think demian maia is higher level
Fine! I'll go build my own lunar lander, with blackjack and hookers. In fact, forget the lunar lander and the blackjack.
PRIDE fan boy
Wouldn't it be great
if GSP was to sub Shields?!
Anderson Silva, Edson Barboza, Jose Aldo, Charles Oliveira, Thiago Alves = Muay Thai wrecking machines!
by SentientAndroid on Apr 4, 2011 12:51 PM EDT reply actions
Everyone thinking GSP is going to jab his way to a decision or keep this fight standing for 5 rounds are in for a shock.
Shields will be thinking that GSP’s game plan will revolve around stuffing his take downs and keeping it on the feet.
GSP is going to shoot for take downs on Jake and GNP him on the ground. He doesnt really have much to fear from Jake on his back and GSP has some of the very best top control in the game.
GSP shooting for take downs on Shields is going to completely catch him off guard and cause him to completley rethink his game plan.
If you're having fight problems I feel bad for you son, I got 99 problems but a Fitch ain't one.
Also
I don’t think that GSP would have any problem with taking the fight to the ground. He did it too both Hughes and Penn, two men who know a thing or two about subbing other men, especially BJ. So I don’t think that he fears it at all, but I’m pretty sure that he respects it. Hell I can see GSP flirting around with a little standup for the first minute or two, initiate a take-down, get it, and sub Shields all under round one, you never know.
Anderson Silva, Edson Barboza, Jose Aldo, Charles Oliveira, Thiago Alves = Muay Thai wrecking machines!
When is the last time BJ submitted someone, other than via RNC to an already damaged opponent?
"Sometimes I wonder if the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it." -Mark Twain
"Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid." -John Wayne
by The American Ronin on Apr 4, 2011 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions
not a fair statement.
Bj enjoys punching people in the face.
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"Wanderlei eventually got to his feet and stalked Fujita like a Japanese octopus in an all-female prison." - Sean Baby Cracked.com
by the-gentle-way on Apr 4, 2011 1:46 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
That is true, and I am not trying to down play how awesome his BJJ was back in the day, but I have my doubts about how tight he has kept it in recent years.
"Sometimes I wonder if the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it." -Mark Twain
"Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid." -John Wayne
by The American Ronin on Apr 4, 2011 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
he almost choked fitch twice.
I don’t think there is any reason to think that he has let his skills back slide.
"True strength is not always shown through victory. Stand up, try again and display strength of heart." - Rickson Gracie
"Wanderlei eventually got to his feet and stalked Fujita like a Japanese octopus in an all-female prison." - Sean Baby Cracked.com
by the-gentle-way on Apr 4, 2011 2:00 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
IIRC, didn’t Fitch have an arm trapped, keeping him from any real danger?
"Sometimes I wonder if the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it." -Mark Twain
"Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid." -John Wayne
by The American Ronin on Apr 4, 2011 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions
if bj is on your back the danger is very real.
And yes jon did everything right to get out of it. I wish bj would have worked the body triangle more.bj loves to kick his leg over an arm to trap it so he can choke. I think he was setting up for that when jon got free. Hence the letting go of the body triangle.
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"Wanderlei eventually got to his feet and stalked Fujita like a Japanese octopus in an all-female prison." - Sean Baby Cracked.com
by the-gentle-way on Apr 4, 2011 2:45 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
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