UFC 129 Fight Card: Official Bloody Elbow Staff Predictions
by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 29, 2011 7:01 PM EDT
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Event: UFC 129: St Pierre vs. Shields
Date: Saturday, April 30, 2011 at 9 p.m. ET on Pay-Per-View
Location: Rogers Centre, Toronto
Main Card (Pay-per-view)
Georges St. Pierre vs. Jake Shields
Kid Nate: Shields has gotten very far in MMA as possibly the best two-dimensional fighter in the game. Unfortunately for him, GSP is the best three-dimensional fighter in the game. GSP will beat him up on the feet and cruise to a decision. Georges St Pierre by decision.
Brent Brookhouse: Jake Shields is a very talented fighter, but he has no shot. I'm sorry, but it just is not going to happen. People continually bring up how Shields outwrestled and looked stronger than Dan Henderson, but they overlook that at this point in his career Henderson is best at 205 and cutting an additional 20 lb. isn't making him stronger or better. Georges St. Pierre is in his athletic peak, getting better constantly and very much at home at 170. GSP is going to do whatever he wants in the stand-up, he isn't going to die if the fight hits the ground (he swept Fitch) and the real secret to this fight is that GSP is better off his back than Shields. GSP can do whatever he wants all fight and it's not even going to be close. Georges St. Pierre by TKO, round 3.
Mike Fagan: Some people may underrate Jake Shields, but he isn't being undervalued in this fight. Shields has one avenue to victory in this fight, and the road to get there involves his wrestling improving to a level greater than Josh Koscheck, Jon Fitch, or Matt Hughes. Let's also not forget that Shields' rash of submission victories included noted such grappling luminaries as Paul Daley and Robbie Lawler. GSP's standup is far ahead of Shields, and a four-inch reach advantage is only going to accentuate that. Georges St. Pierre by decision.
Nick Thomas: On the feet, GSP is going to pick Shields apart. Can Shields get the takedown? Yes. But can that win the fight over 5 rounds? No. St. Pierre via decision.
Leland Roling: A lot of fans are hinging their upset predictions on the fact that Shields was able to take down and out grapple Dan Henderson. Unfortunately, the idea that Henderson has great takedown defense and a wrestling game that has succeeded greatly in mixed martial arts is a myth. St. Pierre, on the other hand, has both in his arsenal along with an overpowering and constant striking game on the feet. I have no doubts that Shields has some creative ways to bring this to the ground, but Shields is in for a rough night facing GSP's straight punches and jabs. George St. Pierre via TKO.
Anton Tabuena: Don't be surprised if Jake Shields grapples his way to victory. Very few people give him a chance, but I think he's a better grappler than GSP and Koscheck (who was able to stuff a lot of GSP's shots, and even took him down). IF Shields can get this to the mat, this will be a very interesting fight. If he can't, it would get ugly real fast... That being said, while I won't be shocked to see Shields grind out a victory, in the end, the logical pick would be the guy who has more avenues to win a fight. Georges St. Pierre by TKO.
Matt Bishop: I feel almost dirty counting out a guy who has won 15 straight fights against top competition like Shields has, but unless GSP makes a horrendous mistake or blows out his knee, I just don't see how Shields is going to win this one. While this is the biggest fight of Shields' career, it's just another blip on the radar for GSP. Once St. Pierre beats Shields up on the feet, Shields won't have anything left for the ground and GSP will tar and feather him. St. Pierre by TKO, round 3.
KJ Gould: GSP is too well rounded, too athletic, and too experienced against consistently world class fighters in his class. Shields is as legit an opponent as Jon Fitch was, perhaps a little more so, but I can't help but feel Shields will be just as badly brutalised. I don't watch St. Pierre fight because I think he'll be challenged, I watch him fight in the hope of witnessing a masterful and artistic performance as part of a body of work that can be poured over for years to come. St. Pierre by Decision.
Jose Aldo vs. Mark Hominick
Kid Nate: Aldo's cage rust could be a big factor here. As could Hominick's precision kickboxing. But I think Aldo is just too much. Too powerful. Too fast. Jose Aldo by KO.
Brent Brookhouse: I don't feel like getting frisky here and picking Hominick but he's got a shot. Still, Aldo is a bit more diverse in his attack and more explosive. Jose Aldo by TKO, round 4.
Mike Fagan: For all the talk of Jake Shields being underrated, I think Mark Hominick's more of a live dog in this fight. Jose Aldo is returning from a neck injury - an injury in which he opted for rehab instead of surgery - and hasn't fought since September. Hominick is technical and dangerous on the feet, which has me hoping we'll finally see Aldo's ground game. Aldo's still the big favorite here, though. Jose Aldo by submission, round 3.
Nick Thomas: Aldo is coming in with a little ring rust and after an injury but he's still favoured in this fight. Hominick needs to take this to the ground to win. On the feet, it's all Aldo. Aldo via TKO.
Leland Roling: Hominick's aggressive stalking and constant work rate on the feet has allowed his technical prowess to shine in past fights. It's a style that will offer something different for Aldo, but wading into Aldo's wheelhouse will be required in order for Hominick to work a similar gameplan. That won't bode well for his ability to maintain his feet or avoid being devastated by Aldo's diverse skill-set. Aldo via submission, round 2.
Anton Tabuena: Hominick is a very talented striker with good footwork, sure. But Aldo's Muay Thai is on another level and this would be a great way to showcase his skills... I'm just hoping we also see his ground game. Jose Aldo by TKO.
Matt Bishop: Like the main event, I feel almost dirty counting out someone as talented as Hominick. I think he's got a better shot at winning than Shields does, but Aldo is spectacular on the feet and solid on the ground. Bad combo for Hominick. Aldo is going to run head first into anything and he's going to work Hominick's lead leg over and at the very worst, win a decision. Aldo by TKO, round 4.
KJ Gould: This should be Aldo's coming out party from the relative obscurity of WEC to the big stage of the UFC. Featherweight and Bantamweight are classes that are still in an early growth stage and this should be a good showcase for fans who are still new to the lighter divisions. Jose Aldo by TKO.
Vladimir Matyushenko vs. Jason Brilz
Kid Nate: Hard to figure out how this made the main card. Guess they didn't want it on the Spike card where it would hurt the buy rate. The younger Brilz should be able to grind this one out. Jason Brilz by decision.
Brent Brookhouse: Not that I expect Couture/Machida to go five rounds. But wouldn't you rather that be a five round fight (they're both former champions) and possibly have this not make the air because of three five rounders? I mean, would that really alter your night? Especially when we live in a world where every prelim can be seen anyway? Oh, and Diaz/MacDonald is a way better fight than this and would fit into the main card much better. Vladimir Matyushenko by decision.
Mike Fagan: Matyushenko vs. Brilz, or what happens when 55,000 people take a piss break. This isn't a "bad" fight by any means, but it's an odd inclusion for the main card of the UFC's first megashow. Vladimir Matyushenko by decision.
Nick Thomas: Matyushenko is better than Brilz all around. Matyushenko via decision.
Leland Roling: "The Janitor" cleans up on the UFC 129 main card by outwrestling Brilz, although I would prefer to see Matyushenko's improved boxing on display. Matyushenko via decision.
Anton Tabuena: I would've preferred seeing Diaz vs MacDonald on the main card, instead, I get this. I'm not too excited for this, but I expect it to be a really close fight probably with Matyushenko winning by Decision.
Matt Bishop: Tough call here. Very similar fighters, but if Brilz hasn't lost the momentum he gained after he narrowly lost to Antonio Rogerio Nogueira, he'd be a solid pick here. I like Brilz on the feet and I think he'll sprawl and brawl his way to victory. Brilz by decision.
KJ Gould: Vladimir comes out to Motorhead. He's also a better wrestler in my opinion with great experience to boot. Matyushenko by Decision.
Randy Couture vs. Lyoto Machida
Kid Nate: Randy's too old. Machida's too hungry. Machida by TKO.
Brent Brookhouse: This was the fight where I kept thinking I was going to reach for an upset. I figured that Randy could get the clinch and hold Machida against the cage and get two of three rounds. But his chin is shot and even the hesitant Machida that we saw against Rampage Jackson for two rounds could put a serious dent in it. I don't want to say it, but Lyoto Machida by KO, round 2.
Mike Fagan: We're either going to see the Randy Couture that took a beating from Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira or the Randy Couture that squeaked a decision win from Brandon Vera, and neither option is appealing. Even if Randy conjures up another winning gameplan, I'm not sure he has the physical tools to implement it. I expect to see something similar to Lyoto Machida's fight with Tito Ortiz. Lyoto Machida by decision.
Nick Thomas: Machida is going to destroy Couture. Machida via TKO.
Leland Roling: We all know what Randy intends to do in this fight. He'll try to initiate a clinch and use his strength to overwhelm and wear down Machida. Machida's footwork and elusive style should be able to stop him, and Randy is the far inferior striker from range. Lyoto Machida via TKO.
Anton Tabuena: Randy has a chance if he can constantly take Lyoto down, or keep him on the fence, but I just don't think it will happen. Machida is the much better striker. He is faster, and is also very good in the clinch... At some point, Machida will find Randy's aging chin and he will end it from there. Lyoto Machida will end Randy Couture's career by TKO.
Matt Bishop: Let me tell you something, brother. Here's what's going to happen in this one, as I outlined on Thursday's radio show: Couture is going to come out, here's going to clinch with Machida. He's going to use some vintage dirty boxing and he's going to take him down. He might not keep him there, but he'll score points. And he'll score enough points to win the fight. Machida will take a round, but Couture will win two. And that is not just a Matt Bishop Five Star Bank On It Prediction. This one has been upgraded. It's now a Matt Bishop FIVE TRILLION STAR Bank On It Prediction! Couture by decision.
KJ Gould: I'd really like Couture to win and show off some of the grappling he's been learning from Neil Melanson. But then I remember his fight with Vera and remember thinking just as the fight was over that I have no desire to see either man compete in MMA again. I wasn't fussed that Couture got the nod, I was more concerned it was a horrible fight and that for all Couture had achieved he no longer had any business being in a UFC cage as a competitor. I'd like Couture to retire on a high note, but I'll make the sensible pick and say Machida catches him. Machida by TKO.
Mark Bocek vs. Ben Henderson
Kid Nate: Really competitive fight here. One I can't wait to see. I'm going to bet that Henderson's competition in the WEC was better than many think. Henderson by decision.
Brent Brookhouse: This is a very solid fight. I just think Bocek is a little bit more dangerous than guys who have given Ben fits in the past. With that in mind. Mark Bocek by decision.
Mike Fagan: Part of the reason I hate Ben Henderson is that people started ranking him after beating such names as Jamie Varner and Donald Cerrone and Anthony Njokuani. The other part is that he does the throws the whole god thing in his postfight. Mark Bocek by submission, round 2.
Nick Thomas: Henderson is going to take Bocek down at will. But that will play right into Bocek's game. Henderson will avoid getting caught on the ground, but it's Bocek via decision.
Leland Roling: A fight I've been looking forward to for sure. Bocek showed improved skills against Jim Miller, nearly stealing the fight in the end. I'm still not a huge Ben Henderson believer, mainly because many of his fights have relied on his transition skills to the submission for wins when he was being beaten. He's improved greatly however. Tough call, but I'll go with the better grappler. Mark Bocek via decision.
Anton Tabuena: Is Ben Henderson really un-submittable? I don't think so. But he has decent wrestling, and better striking than Bocek, so I think he can take this. Ben Henderson by Decision.
Matt Bishop: Tremendous matchmaking here. Henderson is a good fighter and it'll be interesting to see how he performs on the big stage of the UFC. Bocek really impressed me against Dustin Hazelett, another solid grappler. I think Henderson has a lot to prove after being posterized. He takes it. Henderson by decision.
KJ Gould: I think we'll continue to see the disparity between former WEC fighters and their UFC counterparts in the form of Bocek making Henderson look pretty mediocre. Maybe I should be giving Henderson more of a chance, but lessons should have be learned from when Stann, Cantwell, and Condit originally crossed over. Bocek by Submission.
Preliminary Card (Spike TV)
Nate Diaz vs. Rory MacDonald
Kid Nate: MacDonald has a world of potential and the skill set to beat Diaz -- in theory. But Diaz is a gamer and he will be a stiff test for the 21 year old Canadian. MacDonald by decision.
Brent Brookhouse: What a great fight! And no one is talking about it! MacDonald was a guy that everyone thought of as a huge prospect, and then he lost to Condit after giving him hell for the first two rounds. Now suddenly no one remembers who he is. Diaz is a tough test for him, but one he should pass as long as the layoff hasn't set him back too badly. Rory MacDonald by TKO, round 2.
Mike Fagan: This should be fun. I'm surprised that the UFC is tossing Rory MacDonald in deep waters after the great job in building up Jon Jones. Dude goes from Mike Guymon to CARLOS CONDIT and then Nate Diaz. That said, Rory was controlling the Condit fight until the third round, and that's pretty damn impressive for a 21 year old. This is the Fireball Showdown of the Night. Rory MacDonald by decision.
Nick Thomas: MacDonald is coming off an injury, so it's hard to pick him here. But I think he avoid Diaz's submission attempts, he can take the decision here. MacDonald via decision.
Leland Roling: This is by far one of the most interesting match-ups on the card. Hard-nosed Nate Diaz against a top notch prospect who is likely the future of the division. I'm wary to pick MacDonald here, mainly because Nate Diaz is exactly that... a Diaz. He's a gamer with a lengthy reach, bad attitude, and built-in instinct to prove himself to any and all comers. With that said however, MacDonald possesses the skills to control Diaz for three rounds and win. Rory MacDonald via decision.
Anton Tabuena: The Philippines gets free UFC PPV's, but we don't get Spike prelims. This bout has the potential to be the most action packed match up of the night, and I'm pissed that I might not be able to watch it... Anyway, I think Rory MacDonald has a bright future ahead of him, and he has a very real chance of winning, but Diaz has faced better competition, and I think he will be able to pull it out. Nate Diaz by Decision.
Matt Bishop: This is another one of those criminally underrated bouts on this show. MacDonald's wrestling is going to give Diaz problems, but I think the experience factor combined with MacDonald's long layoff give Diaz the edge here. Diaz via decision.
KJ Gould: Diaz is still developing as a fighter and is in a similar stage to where his brother Nick was just a few years ago before really getting his game together. I think MacDonald takes it this time around but could see them fighting again in a couple of years time where things could turn out differently. MacDonald by Decision.
Sean Pierson vs. Jake Ellenberger
Kid Nate: Ellenberger should blitz here. Ellenberger by commanding decision.
Brent Brookhouse: Yeaaaaah. Jake Ellenberger by decision.
Mike Fagan: Speaking of guys who almost beat Carlos Condit. Jake Ellenberger by decision.
Nick Thomas: Ellenberger is no joke. Ellenberger is going to over power Pierson. Ellenberger by decision.
Leland Roling: I think Pierson should get a bit more of a fair shake here, but Jake has stopping power in his hands. Pierson's wrestling could be a monumental oversight for Ellenberger, who should have the edge due to experience. But Pierson could provide a challenge. I'll go with Ellenberger, but I wouldn't be surprised to see Pierson make Ellenberger work extra hard for it. Jake Ellenberger via decision.
Anton Tabuena: Hmm. Ellenberger by TKO.
Matt Bishop: Tough fight for Pierson and a huge step up in competition from Matt Riddle. He has a chance if Ellenberger coming in on short notice hurts him, but even so, Ellenberger should have enough. Ellenberger by decision.
KJ Gould: Anyone who goes to a Billy Robinson seminar and gets a photo with him is ok in my book. It also helps that Ellenberger is already pretty talented this early into his career. Ellenberger by TKO.
Preliminary Card (Facebook)
Claude Patrick vs. Daniel Roberts
Kid Nate: Hard call here. Going to buck the pack and pick Daniel Roberts by TKO.
Brent Brookhouse: I'll go with Patrick here based on nothing more than feeling like Patrick will win. Claude Patrick by TKO, round 1.
Mike Fagan: Dude that sounds like a professional hockey goon or the dude that sounds like the name of the hero in some JCVD movie. Goon. Claude Patrick by TKO, round 2.
Nick Thomas: Love this fight. Only 1 loss for each fighter. Both fighters cancel each other out on the ground. Such a close fight... Bias here, picking the Canuck. Patrick by decision.
Leland Roling: Solid grappling duel here. Patrick offers a little more in terms of skill. I like him here. Claude Patrick via decision.
Anton Tabuena: Another close fight that's hard to predict... but I think it's Claude Patrick by Decision.
Matt Bishop: I cannot believe Roberts has had as many UFC fights as he has. Patrick is going to be amped up by the home crowd and take this one. Patrick by TKO, round 3.
KJ Gould: Patrick is being brought in to help warm the crowd up alongside other fellow Canadians. Patrick by TKO.
Ivan Menjivar vs. Charlie Valencia
Kid Nate: Time may have passed Menjivar by but Valencia is not necessarily the man to expose him. Menjivar by decision.
Brent Brookhouse: Menjivar should have one last grindy win left iin him. Ivan Menjivar by decision.
Mike Fagan: UFC 129 trivia: Ivan Menjivar was Georges St. Pierre's first ever MMA opponent. Ivan Menjivar by decision.
Nick Thomas: Have to go with my fellow Canuck. Menjivar is better all around. Menjivar by decision.
Leland Roling: Menjivar isn't going to resurrect his career here, but Valencia will have problems dealing with his skill on the ground and the power he sometimes flashes on the feet. Ivan Menjivar via decision.
Anton Tabuena: Charlie Valencia by Decision.
Matt Bishop: Menjivar by decision.
KJ Gould: I'll succumb to peer pressure rather than buck the trend and pick Menjivar. Menjivar by Decision.
Jason MacDonald vs. Ryan Jensen
Kid Nate: MacDonald was born to win this fight. MacDonald by submission.
Brent Brookhouse: This should be MacDonald's fight to control en route to a decision. Jason MacDonald by decision.
Mike Fagan: It's crazy to me that Ryan Jensen has seven UFC fights. Even crazier that Jason MacDonald has eleven. Ryan Jensen by decision.
Nick Thomas: Surprised to see MacDonald as the underdog here. Once Jensen gases, MacDonald takes this. MacDonald via submission.
Leland Roling: Jason MacDonald via decision.
Anton Tabuena: This card is full of toss ups. Jensen is tough, but I think MacDonald can win this. Jason MacDonald by Decision.
Matt Bishop: As Forrest Lynn said on Bloody Elbow Radio on Tuesday, this fight is straight out of 2007. This is such a woefully out of place fight on this show. I like MacDonald by submission, round 2.
KJ Gould: MacDonald by Submission.
John Makdessi vs. Kyle Watson
Kid Nate: Makdessi will put on another TKD clinic. Makdessi by KO.
Brent Brookhouse: Makdessi is fun to watch, I'm a little bummed that I probably will miss this fight. Although, if he does what I think he's going to do, they'll find an excuse to air it later. John Makdessi by KO, round 1.
Mike Fagan: My BJJ instructor is good friends with Kyle. He's going to stand in his wedding. (Or stood in his wedding? I forget when that's going down.) I'm not a sentimental man though. John Makdessi by decision.
Nick Thomas: Striker vs. submission fighter here. Makdessi keeps it standing and ends it there. Makdessi via TKO.
Leland Roling: Makdessi's versatility on the feet will put Kyle Watson on ice. John Makdessi via TKO.
Anton Tabuena: Makdessi has got nice kicks, and I haven't been impressed by Watson. Makdessi by Decision
Matt Bishop: Makdessi by TKO, round 1.
KJ Gould: Makdessi by TKO
Yves Jabouin vs. Pablo Garza
Kid Nate: Pablo Garza should outclass Yves. Garza by TKO.
Brent Brookhouse: Yves Jabouin by easy TKO, round 1.
Mike Fagan: Jabouin is outclassing Garza at the books. Yves Jabouin by TKO, round 2.
Nick Thomas: Garza's flying knee was amazing and will have the reach advantage here. But I think Jabouin is better on the feet. Jabouin via decision.
Leland Roling: Jabouin gets a bad rap for some reason, but he's a very speedy striker who continues to improve under the guidance of Firas Zahabi. Garza's reach will be problematic, and I think he can win here. But I'll take Jabouin. Yves Jabouin via TKO.
Anton Tabuena: Everytime Jabouin gets even a small step up in competition, he loses. Pablo Garza by TKO.
Matt Bishop: Jabouin by decision.
KJ Gould: Garza by TKO
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Shields
I got sold on shields watching him wrestle with Phil Davis.
I think he’s stronger, tougher, and the better grappler on all fronts.
I see GSP trying to keep it on the feet and work his Jab, but I doubt he’ll drop anything betterthan what Hendo dropped.
Shields doesn’t lose. GSP does. haha
Yeah
I think Gsp looks better, but I think Jakes muscles developed more naturally if you take my meaning.
by Roaringblood on Apr 29, 2011 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions
To be fair, GSP admits that a certain amount of his lifting is for aesthetic purposes. Says it makes him more “marketable”
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hmm
Kid Nate: Shields has gotten very far in MMA as possibly the best two-dimensional fighter in the game. Unfortunately for him, GSP is the best three-dimensional fighter in the game.
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I'M AT THE PIZZA HUT. I'M AT THE TACO BELL. I'M AT THAT COMBINATION PIZZA HUT AND TACO BELL.
THAT is the best two dimensional fighter in the game
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 29, 2011 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
Dude, at the very least
I was gonna go with just 2D, but then I was starting to wonder if the clinch is itself a specific dimension of the game, and Silva’s as good as anyone in the clinch.
I'M AT THE PIZZA HUT. I'M AT THE TACO BELL. I'M AT THAT COMBINATION PIZZA HUT AND TACO BELL.
by Anthony Pace on Apr 29, 2011 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions
meh
he doesn’t need to. Wrestlers can’t submit him or do any real damage to him.. so why worry hommie?
by Roaringblood on Apr 29, 2011 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't know if I'd go that far
It’s not his style, but he has skills. Check out the Judo chop about the switch he pulled on Marquardt for example
by RashadsLeftNipple on Apr 29, 2011 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
He also stuffed a couple of Chael's shots with busted ribs
I'M AT THE PIZZA HUT. I'M AT THE TACO BELL. I'M AT THAT COMBINATION PIZZA HUT AND TACO BELL.
by Anthony Pace on Apr 29, 2011 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions
And GSP isn't much of a submission guy.
He’s 2.5 dimensional at best. He can strike, he can wrestle, but his BJJ is still trying to catch up (besides his guard passing, which is slick as all hell).
And no, the Matt Hughes armbar by itself doesn’t account for a mastery of BJJ.
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by lowellthehammer on Apr 29, 2011 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Which has nothing to do with what I'm talking about.
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by lowellthehammer on Apr 29, 2011 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Close enough to not warrant a complete dismissal
You know Joe, Brandon Vera is considered to be a Heavyweight George St.Pierre because he just comes, comes, and comes again... -Mike Goldberg, UFC 57
Cheick Kongo looks like a cross between Evander Holyfield and pop singer Seal!
Melvin Guilard looks like a little Kevin Randelman!
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Not really.
I disagree with the 3 dimensional line Nate has tagged GSP with. Shields was never described as 3 dimensional so his shitty striking is irrelevant.
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by lowellthehammer on Apr 29, 2011 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I was going to bring up choking out Frank Trigg
But Frank Trigg getting choked out is like an MMA running joke at this point. GSP’s submission attempts on Dan Hardy were really sloppy.
It's hit or miss, which is why I say 2.5.
His guard passing is great, but I think a lot of his BJJ game is still developing. That Hardy fight certainly didn’t look like a display I would expect from a master of BJJ.
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by lowellthehammer on Apr 29, 2011 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly, all of the technique GSP uses to control people on the ground is derived from BJJ, not wrestling. That post is trying to discredit him based solely on the fight with Dan Hardy, but Georges has an entire career of stiffing submissions, passing guards, and utterly dominating elite grapplers at their own game. You can win pure BJJ matches using passes and control, so the whole “.5” thing is ridiculous.
Before the Kos fight I read posts saying that GSP had abandoned his stand-up game, making him “two dimensional” from a different perspective. People just want to discredit his skills.
Is it possible for an administrator to change my handle? I want it to be "Genki Pseudonym." I just thought of that myself.
BJJ isn’t just about having submissions. Being able to stay in top control, awareness of opponents movements on the ground, and guard passing are all a part of BJJ among other things. Position before submission, and GSP is great at controlling position. I don’t see how that makes GSP 2.5 dimensional especially since he has passed the guard of multiple BJJ black belts like Fitch, Serra, and Penn.
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I agree yet I have seen a ton of comments bashing the quality of opponents Shields has subbed while making GSP out to be a submission savant. He has subbed 2 guys in his UFC carrer. Hughes 3 1/2 years ago and Trigg 6 years ago. I doubt Shields will have to worry about submissions from GSP.
Let's face it...
…the top-competitors in MMA do not have to worry much about submissions at all anymore, except after getting tagged first. Most of the upper echelon fighters have too good a BJJ defense to be threatened by anybody unless they’re fighting an absolute submission wiz like Maia (who then usually has gaping holes in other areas).
To save me some time on 25% of all threads, here's the universal answer to the Fedor-debate: Fedor is the most accomplished MMA fighter ever. That is a fact. If he still is the best fighter at this point in time is up for debate.
Exactly, all of the technique GSP uses to control people on the ground is derived from BJJ, not wrestling. That post is trying to discredit him based solely on the fight with Dan Hardy, but Georges has an entire career of stiffing submissions, passing guards, and utterly dominating elite grapplers at their own game. You can win pure BJJ matches using passes and control, so the whole “.5” thing is ridiculous.
Before the Kos fight I read posts saying that GSP had abandoned his stand-up game, making him “two dimensional” from a different perspective. People just want to discredit his skills.
Is it possible for an administrator to change my handle? I want it to be "Genki Pseudonym." I just thought of that myself.
Shields
Shields via RNC in round 3, the new UFC Welterweight Champion of The World!!!
rory mac vs nate diaz is so damn hard to call
cant wait for that fight, i have no idea which guys gonna take it
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you know where I'm going to be on saturday?
At my GF’s best friend’s engagement party…
I’ll literally be leaving Toronto to go do that. On Saturday… during UFC 129.
Ouch. I’ll be at my wife’s best friend’s birthday party. but already explained that I’d be commandeering the living room, tv and speakers
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 29, 2011 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
ugh, I know
But I’m also in a long distance relationship, so it doubles as a chance to spend time together.
So on May 1st, I will still have never been in a city while the UFC was going on.
Not if you put that girl on a leash.
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by pdl on Apr 29, 2011 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
!!!!!!
dude, i am also leaving toronto to go to an engagement party. no joke.
if we end up at the same one, let’s organize some sort of jail break.
Fucking nuts. I’m going to an engagement party on Saturday night too, but it’s in Toronto. Weeeeeeeird.
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by Ephemeral Artery on Apr 29, 2011 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Fagan’s comments on Bocek-Henderson are pretty ignorant and quite immature.
HATE Ben Henderson? C’mon now. Grow up.
Also, quit the whole anti-religion thing. No one gives a shit about your views. You write well but your own commentary on religion gets in the way.
(I’m not a Christian but it doesn’t matter.)
by ADAMantium on Apr 29, 2011 3:19 PM EDT reply actions 8 recs
There it is! I predicted it after 4 comments, we got 8 in before it happened.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 29, 2011 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
There needs to be an "I was offended by Mike Fagan" support group.
Like a permanent fanpost where everyone can go to whine and complain about all the awful, terrible, mean-spirited things he says that hurt their feelings.
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by lowellthehammer on Apr 29, 2011 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions
are you suggesting...
“THE MIKE FAGAN HATE THREAD” ???
It’s been a while since my last hate thread went up, and I’ve since switched from Robert Downey Sr, I feel like I’ve lost my edge…
Still, even if I ain’t as good as I once was, I’m as good once as I ever was…
I'M AT THE PIZZA HUT. I'M AT THE TACO BELL. I'M AT THAT COMBINATION PIZZA HUT AND TACO BELL.
by Anthony Pace on Apr 29, 2011 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
psssh
Henderson is way over the top with that stuff. I like the guy until his post fight interview and come on, to say the things that he does is disrespectful to his opponents. Like, what if his opponent who he just beat is a christian as well? He doesn’t get to do all things through christ, or he does just as long as beating Ben Henderson isn’t one of those things?
by Luke Nelson on Apr 29, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
people so often mistake that as selection via deity but usually it means that they were inspired and were given the mental and physical strength and stamina to endure such a difficult task such as fighting.
not saying any religion is right or wrong just that most naysayers are highly uninformed.
Why bother training at all
when he’s got gawd on his side? C’mon. He sells himself and everybody in this sport short when he gets on his pulpit and starts preaching that success is attributable to a supernatural power. Delusional.
A lot of people find the mental fortitude to compete at the highest levels through their faith, whatever faith they may have.
I'M AT THE PIZZA HUT. I'M AT THE TACO BELL. I'M AT THAT COMBINATION PIZZA HUT AND TACO BELL.
by Anthony Pace on Apr 29, 2011 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I laughed so hard
when Bendo recited Phillipians 4:13 after getting nailed with the fucking Showtime Kick off the cage. Appears God has tired of your pandering, Ben.
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by lowellthehammer on Apr 29, 2011 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
lmao
The big guy doesn’t like yes men.
"Many have the will to win. Few have to will to prepare to win."
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by the-gentle-way on Apr 29, 2011 6:23 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
He’s very annoying. He actually goes “can I get an AMEN!?” the first thing he does in every post-fight interview. How fucking obnoxious and silly is that? And why are you giving shout-outs to Jesus like he’s hosting your mix-tape? He’s like, God, man. You don’t have to be on camera and audio for him to hear your thanks. That shit is for private moments, not in front of the world to make yourself look better.
And hey, I actually like him as a fighter, but god damn am I ever turned off by his antics in the post-fight interviews.
by Horselover Fat on Apr 29, 2011 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
And to explain why I find the “can I get an amen” particularly offensive, is because I’m not a christian and as such I will not give you a fucking amen, Ben. So don’t even ask. I respect your beliefs but I don’t want it projected unto myself. It’s just as stupid as if someone was going “hey vote for the democrats y’all! obama rocks wooo!!”
by Horselover Fat on Apr 29, 2011 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Volkman went the opposite way with that one and people didn't seem to mind
Well, the Secret Service did, but most people watching seemed to laugh.
Don’t listen to him, Fagan. It’s a complete double standard; they will never think twice about shoving God down our throats. Christians won’t apologize for making people of other faiths uncomfortable with their impromptu prayers and shout outs to God. If those people want to talk about religion where it has absolutely no place, they can expect to see commentary on religion, too.
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GSP all day long.
GSP via decision. Jake is tough to finish, so I don’t think he will be finished, but GSP will jab him to death for a few rounds before deciding to GnP Shields after Shields has already been beaten up and has nothing for GSP on the ground.
Aldo by TKO. I don’t see how else this will go.
Brilz by decision. I’m feeling lucky here and he did well against Little Nog. (I thought he won).
Machida by TKO. I think Randy will eat a knee at some point and get dropped.
Bocek by submission. I’m with Fagan. Hopefully Bocek chokes the god out of Henderson.
by pud333 on Apr 29, 2011 3:25 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Brent i’m putting your predicting Nate Diaz to be stopped in 2 rounds by Rory MacDonald down to a case of temporary insanity. Now stand in a corner and hang your head in shame!
A) i’m wrong pretty often
B) It just wouldn’t be me if I didn’t pick against a Diaz
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 29, 2011 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions
diazs dont get stopped.
They may get decisioned, but not stopped.
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by the-gentle-way on Apr 29, 2011 6:25 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I disagree with you guys that Aldo's muay thai is exemplary or "on another level"
but he’s quick, athletic, and has nasty power. His technique isn’t as good as several other fighters and obviously not even in the conversation with a guy like Petrosyan, but his natural quickness and savage power for a 145er makes him damn effective. Oh, and his good but over credited striking + power will totally beat Hominick’s strong fundamentals and lack of power.
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Good read.
I got
GSP TKO
Aldo TKO
Machida KO
Vladdy DEC
Henderson DEC
Diaz DEC
Ellenberger TKO
Patrick DEC
McDonald SUB
Makdessi KO
Jabouin TKO
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by Sebastiaan Tauran on Apr 29, 2011 3:46 PM EDT reply actions
"The other part is that he does the throws the whole god thing in his postfight."
Well, holy fucking shit, that is one shocking revelation. A devout Christian talking about his faith after winning a competition. That never happens in sports.
by IRH on Apr 29, 2011 3:50 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
One of these days I want an athlete to blame their religious figure for a loss
“Son of a BITCH, Jesus! Why did you let him do that crazy kick off the cage like that?”
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by SSreporters on Apr 29, 2011 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions
You don't remember this last year? Steve Johnson of the Bills after dropping the game-winning pass.
“I PRAISE YOU 24/7!!!!!!” AND THIS HOW YOU DO ME!!!!! YOU EXPECT ME TO LEARN FROM THIS? HOW?!!! ILL NEVER FORGET THIS!! EVER!!! THX THO…"
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isn’t this the same Mike Fagan that criticized Dana for being sexist, but doesn’t have a problem bashing someone for their religious views?
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by Captain Leroy Hotdog Zanzibar on Apr 29, 2011 3:57 PM EDT reply actions 13 recs
Pretty much everything right wing is fair game to criticize it seems
Sometimes the people who go out of their way to say they’re the most “tolerant and accepting” are the biggest hypocrites
I'm 'right wing' and I think religion is rediculas.
If people were as irrational about something else as they are with religion then they would be called crazy. 1+1=2 unless you want to believe its 3. I mean come on, what would you say if Henderson got on his knees and thanked Harry Potter for giving him the strength to get through the fight?
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What does rediculas mean?
I'm gonna give you three seconds; exactly three-fucking-seconds to wipe that stupid looking grin off your face or I will gouge out your eyeballs and skull-fuck you!
Mike Fagan – Blogger (also, he didn’t criticize Dana for being sexist)
Dana White – Company president
…there’s a difference
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 29, 2011 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions
The biggest difference being only one can afford the best Attorneys in the country if their comments ever land them in court.
by TheKeyboardWarrior on Apr 30, 2011 5:37 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
um…i think a lawyer who has been dead for a week could get Fagan off of any charges that come out of something like this. Is he going to be sued for joking about religion? For saying he “hates” a fighter?
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 30, 2011 9:06 AM EDT up reply actions
I personally don't see a problem with bashing people for religious beliefs
religion is a set of beliefs (and quite stupid one to say the least), people choose to believe in it without any evidence, on the other hand people don’t choose to be man/woman,straight/gay, black/white/etc.
not always will those who dumps on you be your enemies
and not always will those who take you out of shit be your friends
Really?! Why would you “bash” anyone for believing in something that you think is stupid. And also several people have experiences that are plenty enough evidence for them(myself included)
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by mischieviousbadger on Apr 29, 2011 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions
when I say bash
what I mean is I don’t respect their beliefs, I don’t respect people believing in things that have no evidence to exist. I may make fun of peoples’ beliefs but not the people themselves, I don’t use any slurs nor am I anti-semitic, but my response to religion is the same as my response to someone believing they got abducted by aliens, and trust me, just as certain as you may be to have experienced something supernatural or divine, there are people just as certain who believe they have been abducted by aliens. people can say they have had whatever experiences they say they have, I’m not going to believe them to be true until they can prove them though, and I’m not going to respect their beliefs either.
not always will those who dumps on you be your enemies
and not always will those who take you out of shit be your friends
by Orcus on Apr 29, 2011 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm an athiest
And I think that might be the most ignorant thing i’ve EVER read from you Orcus.
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by Austin Martin on Apr 29, 2011 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Everyone's ignorant.
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by lowellthehammer on Apr 29, 2011 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions
what exactly do you say is ignorant?
the fact that I won’t believe something to be true until there is proof for it? or the fact that I don’t respect a person’s beliefs in something that have no evidence to be true? how exactly is it ignorant for me to hold either assertion?
not always will those who dumps on you be your enemies
and not always will those who take you out of shit be your friends
I don’t respect people believing in things that have no evidence to exist. I may make fun of peoples’ beliefs but not the people themselves
A lot of people define themselves by what they believe. So openly not respecting their beliefs is disrespecting the person. Who are you to judge anyone, for anything at all?
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by Austin Martin on Apr 29, 2011 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions
you say you’re an atheist, if so, do you respect someone’s religious beliefs as much as you respect someone’s belief in Big Foot? or do you find both equally dumb to believe in?
not always will those who dumps on you be your enemies
and not always will those who take you out of shit be your friends
I don't believe in it
But I wouldn’t openly condescend about the issue. I have no idea the motivation for the belief.
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by Austin Martin on Apr 29, 2011 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I am enjoying this mainly because you don’t seem to know what ignorant means. That’s too funny. I think you are trying to suggest Orcus is being insensitive.
by Jonathan Snowden on Apr 29, 2011 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I really dislike
being condescended to. I don’t mean insensitive. I mean ignorant.
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by Austin Martin on Apr 29, 2011 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions
What is “ignorant” about what he said? This is your stated concern:
So openly not respecting their beliefs is disrespecting the person.
You’re concerned for their feelings as they worship the bearded omnipotent Superman in the sky.
by Jonathan Snowden on Apr 29, 2011 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
I think you do mean insensitive, no?
ignorance means lack of knowledge, if you’re an atheist to you would be ignorant to believe in a God, I can see how my stance may be insensitive to some though, not ignorant though.
not always will those who dumps on you be your enemies
and not always will those who take you out of shit be your friends
so you respect someone's belief in Big Foot
as well as chupacabras, fairies, ghosts, ufo’s, leprechauns, etc?
not always will those who dumps on you be your enemies
and not always will those who take you out of shit be your friends
Blessed be his pastaness
not always will those who dumps on you be your enemies
and not always will those who take you out of shit be your friends
by Orcus on Apr 29, 2011 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I'm so tired of FSM
It’s played out, & I’ll laugh my ass off if it becomes a legit religion because of people’s obsession over it.
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by Scott C. Broussard on Apr 30, 2011 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Blasphemy!
not always will those who dumps on you be your enemies
and not always will those who take you out of shit be your friends
Ignorance!
To save me some time on 25% of all threads, here's the universal answer to the Fedor-debate: Fedor is the most accomplished MMA fighter ever. That is a fact. If he still is the best fighter at this point in time is up for debate.
im a religious man
and everytime someone questions my faith, or religion, i see it as an act of insecurity. i dont get offended by it. it is what it is, it cannot be proven scientifically. to me it boils down to faith and belief, once you stop believing is someone or something, life loses its meaning.
btw im not offended by orcus’s statements at all, to each his own.
So you think the only possible motivation for questioning your beliefs is insecurity?
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yeah
doesn’t make much sense, I think it’s the other way around, insecurity explains people having problems with others questioning their own beliefs, if they really believe them 100% they shouldn’t have a problem.
not always will those who dumps on you be your enemies
and not always will those who take you out of shit be your friends
Faith is an epistemic failure. It's admitting that you hold a position for which you have no evidence.
If you don’t have the hard, factual evidence or reasoning, then you have no business holding that idea. Would you use a doctor that used faith as his primary diagnostic tool & curative? Would you trust the testimony of a forensics investigator if he said he used faith to find the murderer? If not, why trust it for anything else?
I’m not insecure about it, by the way, and dismissing any criticism as stemming from it is a sure way to eliminate any open discussion about it & live in an epistemic bubble. Good luck with that.
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by Scott C. Broussard on Apr 30, 2011 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Boom.
Perhaps my best years are gone... but I wouldn't want them back. Not with the fire in me now. No, I wouldn't want them back.
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by jebushchrist on Apr 30, 2011 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I personally don’t see a problem with bashing people for religious beliefs
One of the most ignorant things I’ve ever read… and I live in Los Angeles.
well
think it this way, do you think it’s ignorant to bash people for believing in fairies? And what does LA have anything to do with ignorance? Ins’t that ignorant to say?
not always will those who dumps on you be your enemies
and not always will those who take you out of shit be your friends
People tend to think that Religion is out of bounds. That’s horseshit. Everything is fair game for criticism, IMO.
plenty of ignorance in LA...just like anywhere else
…and yes it is just as wrong (the word ignorant in the context all of you are spewing on about is incorrect) to bash people who believe in anything….unless that thing can cause harm to you and your loved ones or humanity as a whole. Come to think of it it would be wise to bash those who believe in fairies, witches, Yettis, and aliens less than those who believe in God or Allah or Jehovah or Buddah…..people don’t go to war over fairies.
BTW, i am a fence-sitting agnostic. Which ever deity would like to introduce itself to me first wins my loyalties.
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by F'n Clownshoes on Apr 30, 2011 8:23 AM EDT up reply actions
ah
but than that means LA is no different than anywhere else and shouldn’t be put under the bus like that :p
not always will those who dumps on you be your enemies
and not always will those who take you out of shit be your friends
i think
that he is referencing what’s close to him as evident. our perception is our realities and such….
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by F'n Clownshoes on Apr 30, 2011 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions
if that's what he's doing than he's being ignorant (damn, how many times do will we use that word on this thread) :p
I think using personal experiences and applying it to a general population or group of people is a very erroneous thing to do. that’s how prejudice is created.
not always will those who dumps on you be your enemies
and not always will those who take you out of shit be your friends
There is a difference though
People who belive in fairies do not use that belief to deal with their own mortality (usually). Believing in god and the afterlife however is deeply rooted in managing the fear of simply perishing, without any hope to avoid that fate and no chance that there’s anything beyon. So by challenging their beliefs you are chipping away at a psychological wall that makes life bearable for people who might otherwise break under the weight of knowing that one day their body will just fail, like a machine, and all they are will simply cease to exist.
To save me some time on 25% of all threads, here's the universal answer to the Fedor-debate: Fedor is the most accomplished MMA fighter ever. That is a fact. If he still is the best fighter at this point in time is up for debate.
I wouldn't go that far
most of them are just brain washed from infancy, I was a believer once as well and the supposed afterlife never really had gone through my head, I just believed for the sake of believing, because that was taught to me since I can remember breathing.
not always will those who dumps on you be your enemies
and not always will those who take you out of shit be your friends
Most people also don’t use their belief in fairies to justify outlawing gay marriage, a woman’s right to choose, etc.
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I've always been your bff!
not always will those who dumps on you be your enemies
and not always will those who take you out of shit be your friends
The thing is that if its okay to bash people for one thing it should be okay to bash them for all and if I said some homophobic crap you can be sure that would piss people off. It just seems more or less unfair that one groups feelings will be off limit while others are fair game.
I'm gonna give you three seconds; exactly three-fucking-seconds to wipe that stupid looking grin off your face or I will gouge out your eyeballs and skull-fuck you!
Did u not read the part where he explained that some u are born with e.g. Homosexuality, whereas Religion is a choice?
exactly
not always will those who dumps on you be your enemies
and not always will those who take you out of shit be your friends
I totally agree with your way of thinking by the way, and you explained it much better than I could have. Although reading it made me see why some can, and do, get offended when I press my point of view on this matter.
thanks!
I’m so tired today I was afraid my fatigue wouldn’t let me explain myself correctly. people do get offended but nothing we can do, we can’t pretend to respect something there is no basis for believing :p
not always will those who dumps on you be your enemies
and not always will those who take you out of shit be your friends
And just to be clear, I’ve said multiple times that what Dana said doesn’t offend me personally.
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Seriously
Call a spade a spade. “Put her on a leash” is pretty much cut and dry.
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by Neil Manich on Apr 30, 2011 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Unless he stated Dana White is NOT a sexist, he wasn’t wrong. He simply withheld judgement. At most you could say “you should have said so!”. :)
To save me some time on 25% of all threads, here's the universal answer to the Fedor-debate: Fedor is the most accomplished MMA fighter ever. That is a fact. If he still is the best fighter at this point in time is up for debate.
Seems like...
…he doesn’t like ridiculous world-views in general. Consistency! ;)
To save me some time on 25% of all threads, here's the universal answer to the Fedor-debate: Fedor is the most accomplished MMA fighter ever. That is a fact. If he still is the best fighter at this point in time is up for debate.
gotcha.. I mean if you’re going to champion political correctness at least be consistent..
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Copy 10-4
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by Captain Leroy Hotdog Zanzibar on Apr 29, 2011 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions
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by Scott C. Broussard on Apr 29, 2011 8:14 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
KJ Gould: I think we’ll continue to see the disparity between former WEC fighters and their UFC counterparts in the form of Bocek making Henderson look pretty mediocre. Maybe I should be giving Henderson more of a chance, but lessons should have be learned from when Stann, Cantwell, and Condit originally crossed over. Bocek by Submission
Condit and Stann seem to be doing pretty well actually…
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Not when they originally crossed over
And that was my point. WEC guys tend to have difficulties when making the jump. Henderson can bounce back just like Condit and Stann have.
Picks
GSP-Dec.
Aldo-(T)KO Rd 3
Brilza-Dec
Machida-(T)KO Rd 1
Bocek-Sub Rd 2
Diaz-Dec
Ellenberger-(T)KO Rd 1
Roberts-Dec
Valencia-Dec
McDonald-Dec
Makdessi-(T)KO Rd 1
Jabouin-Dec
by Gobroks on Apr 29, 2011 4:26 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I believe Randy and Hominick
will walk out victorious. And GSP will win by TKO in the 4th!
People who don't have the patience for the technical aspect of MMA should think about getting into another sport. THIS ONE requires BRAINS.
by i_am_awesome_o on Apr 30, 2011 1:23 AM EDT up reply actions
I'll send Mike an e-mail that MMA is serious business...
there’s no room for joking around or expressing personal opinion in something so serious as a predictions post.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 29, 2011 4:28 PM EDT reply actions 7 recs
Email?
Brent, you know that isn’t how it’s done. You drive to his house, kick down his door, and tell him how it is. Then you hand him the maple syrup.
Guillotine.
Then you hand him the maple syrup.
Pause.
I'M AT THE PIZZA HUT. I'M AT THE TACO BELL. I'M AT THAT COMBINATION PIZZA HUT AND TACO BELL.
by Anthony Pace on Apr 29, 2011 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions
ahh
indeed
I'M AT THE PIZZA HUT. I'M AT THE TACO BELL. I'M AT THAT COMBINATION PIZZA HUT AND TACO BELL.
by Anthony Pace on Apr 29, 2011 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions
lol
I'M AT THE PIZZA HUT. I'M AT THE TACO BELL. I'M AT THAT COMBINATION PIZZA HUT AND TACO BELL.
by Anthony Pace on Apr 29, 2011 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions
This is by far one of the most interesting match-ups on the card.
Huh? By far one of the most interesting? Then how is it ‘By far’?
Is this thing at 10pm est (as shown on the article) or 9pm est
I thought main card was an hour earlier at 9pm est now so the weaklings on the east coast weren’t “falling asleep” during the main event on a Saturday of all days.
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Cheick Kongo looks like a cross between Evander Holyfield and pop singer Seal!
Melvin Guilard looks like a little Kevin Randelman!
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My fault! It’s at 9
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 29, 2011 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions
For all the people saying GSP by "Jab-Fest"-
I think Shields and the rest of his camp saw that fight, too. It’s an acute possibility that Shields could of spent part of his camp preparing to counter those jabs with something to get GSP on his back.
And with GSP saying, “Don’t blink tomorrow. Don’t blink.” I’m sure GSP is going to completely abandon his safe style of fighting to come out and blitz Shields in the 1st. Yeah, OK. I don’t think it’s a coincidence the UFC is starting this card an hour earlier with GSP headlining. They know it’s going the full 25.
Just Breed!
they've already stated all future cards after this would start an hour early.
regardless of the finishing ability of the main card fighters.
I forgot the super secret over used font.
Just Breed!
by ScoreCardOTN on Apr 29, 2011 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Have you seen Jake's stand up?
It doesn’t matter if he’s seen it because it will take him years to improve to the point where he can actually stop it.
Like I said on the radio show, I believe GSP could tell Shields what he was going to do and still be successful.
Twitter: @Mike_Fagan_13
I got bendo
by being 6 shades more athletic
by C.A.M. on Apr 29, 2011 7:54 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
If Couture wins I will shart and then eat my own underwear
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LOL your guys picks are awful…. How do so many MMA writers all have no clue about the game… Shields,Diaz are locks
Yeah maybe but NO
U C O N N Huskies
2011 NCAA Men's Basketball Tournament Champs!
by Austin Martin on Apr 29, 2011 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah man, totally!
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 29, 2011 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Cool story, bro.
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by SSreporters on Apr 29, 2011 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Be nice to Cesar! He couldn’t travel to Canada and his fighters are going to lose!
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 29, 2011 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions
thats trollific, please tell me how Jake is a lock…..really? are you actually Ceaser’s nutsake or just the next closest thing?
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by F'n Clownshoes on Apr 30, 2011 8:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Mark Hominick wins this I think
Oh yeah
People who don't have the patience for the technical aspect of MMA should think about getting into another sport. THIS ONE requires BRAINS.
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