UFC President Dana White Tells Tito Ortiz to Put Jenna Jameson 'On a Leash'
by Mike Fagan on Apr 28, 2011 1:02 PM EDT
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PrintYou'd think Dana White would learn. He was forced to apologize (Update: While White offered a non-apology apology for his word choice, he never apologized to Hunt. Details below.) after calling Loretta Hunt (then of Sherdog) a "fucking dumb bitch" and her anonymous source a "faggot" and a "pussy" in April of 2009 (video here). (As a side note, try to find video of the apology. The UFC took down the official video (it was the lead in to a fight week video blog), and I've had no luck finding a transcript. If I remember correctly, the apology was more PR move than legitimate remorse.)
It looked like Dana White had himself under control. Sure, he'll always have that aggressive and abrasive Alpha Male personality, but it seemed as if someone got in his ear and told him to, you know, think before you say something.
And now this:
@jennajameson hey jenna SHUT THE FUCK UP and mind ur biz! @titoortiz put her on a fuckin leash!!!less than a minute ago via Twitter for BlackBerry® 
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It won't be so easy to scrub this from the history books.
There's nothing concrete about what caused this blowup, but I would wager that it has something to do with Jenna Jameson making light of Chuck Liddell's penchant for losing consciousness in recent years. (Update: It may also have to do with this tweet from Jenna following a back-and-forth between White and Tito Ortiz.)
I'll go ahead and be the voice of reason here. Yes, Dana White shouldn't say these sorts of things in a public venue. Yes, images of female subjugation aren't appropriate coming out of the mouth (or Blackberry keyboard) of the head of a professional sports organization. Yes, Dana White should apologize.
At the same time, Dana White isn't the Worst Person in the World as I'm sure some people will paint him to be. He can be an asshole about things, and he certainly has issues with women and language and public relations, but if this was a friend of a friend, you'd think less of the guy and move on with your life.
I don't want to sound like I'm brushing this under the rug, because this is worthy of getting kicked out of all but the most depraved of friendly house parties. Society has deemed this sort of behavior inappropriate of a man of White's stature and in the forum in which he let his voice be heard. This sort of thing has consequences.
But I'm sure we'll hear calls for White's job, comparisons to Roger Goodell and David Stern, and all sorts of bad analogies and hyperbole. Trying to rehabilitate Dana White's views on the fairer sex isn't worth my time.
[Update] Loretta Hunt informed me that White never apologized to her for his attack, only for his comments about the anonymous source. She provided a link to a Comcast story detailing White's "apology":
"I chose some words that offended and hurt some people," White said. "Anybody who knows me knows I would never, ever maliciously attack somebody who wasn't attacking me. As far as the gay and lesbian community, my comments were not directed toward them. I'm actually a supporter of many of their issues. The last thing I would ever want anybody to think about me or think is cool is to go out and attack somebody because of their sexual orientation. That was not my intention. That was not the way I said it and I apologize to anybody that I've offended or hurt."
White, though, never directly apologized to Hunt. He also told ESPN.com in a separate interview that he "absolutely, positively meant to attack (Hunt). Absolutely."
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Poor choice of words there, Dana.
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Would this really be the first time Jenna was on a leash?
by rtwil on Apr 28, 2011 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Dana White is only saying what every MMA fan have been thinking for a while now… What’s the problem?
by Shnak on Apr 28, 2011 1:06 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
The whole "higher standard, public example" thing.
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Not me.
But the mainstream media might. Bad press like this hurts public perception of the UFC, which in turn could hurt sales.
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So, you’re objecting to his use of the words “SHUT THE FUCK UP”, something that everyone says 50 times a day, including many on TV? Of all things Dana says all over the place, you’re objecting to the words “SHUT THE FUCK UP”? Really?
Nope.
The “put her on a fuckin leash” statement comes across as misogynistic. I’m sure he didn’t mean it that way, but that’s what it reads like.
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Haha, pretty much.
Although it’s not that huge a deal. I think the UFC’s relative obscurity will actually help in this situation, as there probably won’t be a huge public backlash.
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You think so?
Honest question. I just figure he doesn’t mean it in an specifically misogynistic manner, but more that it’s an expression of how he feels.
Having trouble explaining myself with this one.
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Every MMA fan has been thinking for a while now that Jenna should “SHUT THE F’ UP” and that Tito should “put her on a leash”?
I don’t think the majority of MMA fans give 2 shits or have been thinking about Jenna at all.
What they do care about is the sport gettin represented in a bad way.
absolutely. the backlash is due to the fact that it's the head of the UFC saying this,
not some ordinary shmoe. it’s one thing to tell her to shut the fuck up, it’s another to say that any woman needs to have a leash put on her. whether you agree with the statement/sentiment or not, it’s pretty damned offensive. cue the half-hearted ‘apology’ in 3, 2, 1….
by Victor Rodriguez on Apr 28, 2011 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Dear Newspeople and women's rights activist of America.
I humbly and sincerely apologize for asking that an independent contractor of mine put his wife on a leash. I should have been more tactful and respectful when requesting such a procedure to be done. Next time I would requests that said contractor should ask his wife go back to work and finish the line of 150 independent contractors that are waiting for her; next to the vivid video offices in the San Fernando Valley. It is expected that once she returns to work she would find it rewarding and fullfilling..
Sincerely and apologetically yours
Dana (I donated to NOW) White
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by Maelstromaku on Apr 29, 2011 6:56 AM EDT up reply actions
I laughed...
So…
Yea.
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by tito (eight and oh) on Apr 28, 2011 1:06 PM EDT reply actions
She shouldn't talk about UFC related matters
When Tito wins a fight she can have her twitter priviledges back
by Hashmo on Apr 28, 2011 1:08 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
This is a symptom of a greater problem.
Dana regularly engages the trolliest of trolls on his twitter, even pointing out that they are brand new accounts clearly made solely for that purpose. And he doesn’t do anything clever of funny, he calls them shitheads and pussies and keyboard warriors. It’s not just unprofessional and damaging to the UFC brand, it’s completely unnecessary.
Also, you just don’t fucking talk about a guy’s wife like that. You don’t say that shit. Every adult should understand that.
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by pdl on Apr 28, 2011 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
wait, what?
how does White’s “unprofessional” behavior “damage the UFC brand”???
I’ve always thought Dana’s vulgar, brash antics were a deliberate attempt to carve out a niche for himself and the UFC in the sports market…and it has worked. if Dana was a mild-mannered, milquetoast kind of guy, you know damn good and well that the UFC would get a lot less attention than it does.
I think your assertion is nothing more than a trite platitude with nothing to actually back it up.
I’ve always thought Dana’s vulgar, brash antics were a deliberate attempt to carve out a niche for himself and the UFC in the sports market…and it has worked.
If he wants to do more than carve out a niche at this point, change might help.
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says the guy who HASN’T successfully built a billion dollar business.
hit the bricks, son. tell your story walkin.
Seriously, that's the argument you're going to use to refute me?
And how many billion dollar businesses have you built? Get real.
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There’s certainly value in being more aggressive, engaging, etc. than the Sterns and Goodell’s of the world. I’m not sure why that immunizes him from criticism for statements like this though.
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Wouldn’t be the first time she has had to wear a leash.
by DonkeyOatey on Apr 28, 2011 1:10 PM EDT reply actions 7 recs
Oh snap!
And: pics.
lol
Why didn't I know about this stuff in '95?
by rdmcurator on Apr 28, 2011 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Pics or it didn't happen.
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by ElliotMatheny on Apr 28, 2011 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions
frankly i don’t care. sure professionalism is important, but it’s twitter. i hate when dana lies more so than when he talks like a sailor. but he talks his mind. keep it up but be professional when you need to be.
oh and tito stinks. i’d rather have an angry tito than a tito who acts like a servant to dana.
keep it up but be professional when you need to be.
As a public figure who’s trying to be taken seriously by mainstream America, that should be all the time.
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Agreed that this is typical Dana.
But just because it’s a common occurrence doesn’t mean it’s right.
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Jenna has been put on a leash more than once, actually, and there’s plenty of pics and vids of it, so…the problem with what Dana said is what? That he isn’t proposing she get paid for it?
by Vox on Apr 28, 2011 1:12 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
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hey,
this could have happened ‘ON NATIONAL TELEVISION!!’
by Victor Rodriguez on Apr 28, 2011 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Call me insensitive......
But “putting a leash on someone” isn’t sexist or specifically demeaning to women.
For instance sometimes I think you guys should put a leash on snowden. I didn’t know it was offensive to women in particular
by RoB_ex on Apr 28, 2011 1:14 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 10 recs
Well, the issue isn’t so much the leash stuff as much as it’s Dana perpetuating the idea that Tito Ortiz should keep “his woman” in line. Not to mention that Dana should be above such things as responding to Jenna Jameson’s stupid tweet in public.
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Dana should be above responding to Jenna’s stupid tweets because her tweets really are ridiculous (I’m recalling her Twitter battles with Koscheck and Frank Mir’s wife in the past). But if he’s going to respond then it’s silly to call out Tito with the leash thing. I think it was much more of a dig at Tito and not Jenna, and Dana should just keep it between him and Jenna.
Honey badger don't care.
If you think his use of the leash idiom is the big thing here, then you don’t really understand the issue.
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So… the issue is that he told his employee (Tito) to control his wife about remarks she’s making about another company employee? Pretty sure my boss would tell me to control my wife if she was harrassing a co-worker of mine.
by Shnak on Apr 28, 2011 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
I think I might be contrasting with Fagan a bit here, but it’s as much the way he said it as the fact that he said it. Publicly.
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Seriously?
You wouldn’t have a problem with your boss telling you to “control your wife”?
That’s… unfortunate.
When it’s someone badmouthing dana and how he’ll hold it against someone forever then it’s “well…any boss would do that if someone was badmouthing their company in public”
When it’s dana acting like no other boss in the world would/should it’s “well..this is different from a normal job and it’s refreshing!”
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 28, 2011 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
But we can see
In many instances he doesn’t hold it against them forever. I think this is more like a conversation and an argument between people that know each other for a long long time. Where once friends. Tito and Jenna have their own tweet wars. DW feels comfortable tweeting this.
Maybe how he said it wasn’t the most tactful, but I agree with Dana in principle. If Jenna is harrassing Liddell for no reason, he’s got every right to remind his employee (Tito) that an employee’s wife shouldn’t be harrassing another employee.
He’s not an employee. I think the UFC is pretty clear about that.
by Jonathan Snowden on Apr 28, 2011 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions
He has every right to remind his independent contractor that his wife should not be harassing his employee. (which Chuck is)
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Via twitter? By telling him to keep her on a leash? No.
by Jonathan Snowden on Apr 28, 2011 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Its a Private business. Unless Rules have been set up within the private company that impedes the president of said company from making public statements then he has that right.
Since the UFC is not a government entity nor a publicly held corporation with a board of directors that has to work under different rules of disclosures then he may just have that right. No matter how low one may think it is.
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Or how unprofessional it presents the UFC to the public.
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He has every right to, sure. That doesn’t mean he should, though.
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There are no written rules or laws which prevent me from fucking another guys wife
but I can’t imagine him saying “Aw shucks, there weren’t rules so I guess I have nothing to be upset about.”
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Oh one can be upset. But as it was said on a previous post. He has a right but it doesn't mean he should at least for tacts sake.
Oh ask the LT Governor of California how if felt doing his employee’s wife. He kind of went aww shucks. : )
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the only reason this appears sexist
is because she has indeed been on leashes before, and the crumpled up socks from 10 years ago under my bed in my parents house can prove it.
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by Sterling Archer on Apr 28, 2011 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL
I’m not a fan of Dana’s trash talking but somebody had to say it.
Jenna needs to learn how to shut the fuck up.
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Fagan, I generally agree with everything you write, but you’re making a non-story into an issue here.
You’re making it sound like Dana said something incredibly sexist and told her to get on her knees or something. She probably said something about him that he found offensive, so he told her to shut it. As for the leash comment, so what? That’s a standard type of thing people say when somebody needs to curb their words or actions. Who gives a shit?
And I’m sick of the “we need to be accepted by mainstream America” thing. This is how Dana White has always been, and the UFC regularly gets a million buys on PPV. Jon Jones was just on the Tonight Show. Randy Couture and Rampage Jackson have been featured in mainstream Hollywood movies. UFC clips are regularly shown on ESPN. The company could be on HBO or network television if they really wanted to. And the sport is only continuing to get bigger and more popular. What more do you want?
by dropkick101 on Apr 28, 2011 1:16 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Well, sure. But I was speaking a bit rhetorically. Plus, it’ll be sanctioned in NY in a matter of time. And the sport is continuing to grow that it might potentially “compete” with the NFL shortly. The fact is that Dana White’s off color comments will have literally zero effect on either of those things.
nothing Dana says surprises me anymore
not always will those who dumps on you be your enemies
and not always will those who take you out of shit be your friends
Just two days ago
Dana posted a video where he removed all his CFO’s office furniture and replaced it with kid furniture. He then called him out, by name, for thousands of people to see.
How is this any worse? Jenna has a vagina, I get it.
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I haven't seen that video
but did Dana do anything to appear sexist, homophobic or racist? if the answer is no to anything I just wrote, than I can understand why people aren’t talking about it.
not always will those who dumps on you be your enemies
and not always will those who take you out of shit be your friends
I just don't get it
Its only sexist to a person who wants to read it that way, IMO.
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You just don't get it because you're a man!
Ha?
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Holy Fuck!!!!
You guys think it can be perceived as sexist because it could be taken as Dana telling Tito to control his woman. You can even make the leap and say Dana is calling Jenna a bitch. Can is the key word.
I don’t get it because Dana talks this way(and much worse) to everyone.
"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."
If I can make this leap,...
…so can other people. Stupid assumption or not, it doesn’t help the UFC’s public image. It doesn’t hurt it a whole lot, but it doesn’t help.
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telling a guy to control 'his' woman is very sexist
so is calling a girl a bitch, or to put them in a leash. combine both and that is not just sexist, but very sexist
not always will those who dumps on you be your enemies
and not always will those who take you out of shit be your friends
If you want to read it that way
If he had told Rampage to keep Tiki and a leash, no one would care.
"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."
yes
because Tiki is a guy, if you tell tick to jump on a tree no one would care either, but tell Rampage to jump on a tree and the internet would explode, and rightly so, you still don’t see the difference?
not always will those who dumps on you be your enemies
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I see the difference.
People only care when it can be sensationalized. Racism, sexism, etc.
no
people only care when there is sexism, racism, etc…
not always will those who dumps on you be your enemies
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by Orcus on Apr 28, 2011 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Look
I don’t agree with Dana’s comments, nor do I want to defend his stupidity. But there is no way you can realistically tell me that the race card, or sexism card is pulled for a legitimate reason every time.
not every time
but in this case it is justified.
not always will those who dumps on you be your enemies
and not always will those who take you out of shit be your friends
black history month
is more racist than this is sexist
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by Sterling Archer on Apr 28, 2011 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not familiar with American culture
so I can’t comment on that, not sure if it was a joke either.
not always will those who dumps on you be your enemies
and not always will those who take you out of shit be your friends
not a joke
im being very serious. this is not sexist, just because you can make a shoe fit does not mean it fits or was intended to fit that particular foot.
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by Sterling Archer on Apr 28, 2011 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Of course it’s sexist to suggest a man should and is entitled to “Control his woman.” What is wrong with you?
by Jonathan Snowden on Apr 28, 2011 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
subjective
as pointed out already by someone else this is something that could be said with the exact same purpose and in the exact same context to a man. its not about her being a woman. again, subjective. my point is that some things can be viewed as sexist, others cannot be disputed as sexist, they are sexist regardless of context.
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by Sterling Archer on Apr 28, 2011 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions
It's 100% about her being a woman.
Dana addressed the man she’s in a consensual romantic relationship with to get her under control and put her in her place. He said this rather than addressing Jenna as a fellow human being. There is no way that wasn’t a sexist comment.
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by pdl on Apr 28, 2011 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
its not that i dont see that angle
im just saying if it were a male manager/coach/trainer, dana could have said the same thing. that is all.
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by Sterling Archer on Apr 28, 2011 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions
We wouldn’t have. That kind of dismissal is reserved for women.
by Jonathan Snowden on Apr 28, 2011 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions
perhaps
im standing by this due to the fact that i honestly used the same line to one of my employees (male) about one of his employees (also male) recently, i think last week, at work. the guy two levels down came to me with a problem rather than following the chain of command. the problem wasnt an actual problem, just a system in place that he didnt, nor needs to, understand. so i sent him on his way and told his boss, my employee to keep his guy on a leash because he wasted my time by having that meeting with me. that time was wasted because i was not on this very website stirring a pot…rather i was sitting with someone two levels below me talking about thins he doesnt need to be involved with.
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by Sterling Archer on Apr 28, 2011 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Ouch. I’d hate to be that guy.
Interesting point on the subjectivity of sexism, though. To me, Dana’s remark is clearly sexist, although the actual text isn’t inherently sexist.
yeah
99% chance you are correct…
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by Sterling Archer on Apr 28, 2011 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions
w00t?
His remark may (!) be acceptable, because it was refering to an underling. The remark about Jenna puts her in the same place though – but Tito is NOT higher up in the chain of command. They are supposed to be equals. This illustrates exactly what is wrong with Dana’s comment, guys.
The reason this is hard to see is simply that many people still feel a man should be “in charge” in a relationship and this whole equal-partners thing is just modern-age window-dressing anyway. In every relationship, there is a dominant partner. True equality does not exist (excluding maybe some verrrrryyyy few examples). But that, is a different discussion. ;)
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There’s an entirely different context when a man tells another man to put his wife on a leash vs. a manager telling his subordinate to keep a guy on a leash (or shorter leash or whatever).
Like a lot of gender, racial, etc. issues, intent plays a big role in the analysis.
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That's just stupid.
And I got tired of your show mid-way through the first season. Recycle jokes much?
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Whoa whoa whoa. He may or may not be stupid, but his show is absolutley not tired!
If you can't wow them with brilliance, then baffle them with bullshit.
i do find black history month racist though, not aggressively by any means, but good ol’ morgan makes a valid point. lets stop giving things that dont need special attention, special attention
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by Sterling Archer on Apr 28, 2011 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I couldn’t see the vid because I’m at work. What did ole Morgan have to say?
If you can't wow them with brilliance, then baffle them with bullshit.
morgan freeman, its an interview he did with mike wallace where wallace attempted to acknowledge that its black history month looking for the typical reaction from a black man, most certainly to follow it with a question like ‘what dies it mean to you?’ or some handjob of the sort. freeman quickly says that black history month is stupid and insulting. black history is american history. he then asks if mike wallace what month is white history month. wallace says hes infact jewish, so freeman rephrases, ‘what month is jewish history month?’. wallace obviously says their isnt one, so freeman asks him if he wants one. wallace says no, and freeman says ‘good, me niether’. really powerful stuff. you can actually see wallace getting the point half way through. he sheepishly asks freeman how we will ever get over racism to which freeman says ‘stop talking about it.’ that simple. worth watching post work, with a glass of scotch no doubt.
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by Sterling Archer on Apr 28, 2011 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
That was awesome
Have never seen that before. I liked “I know you as Mike Wallace and you know me as Morgan Freeman.” That drove the point home perfectly.
"I will do nothing lightly. When I walk, I will walk heavily. When I fight, I will fight with conviction. When I speak, I will speak strongly. When I love, I will love with everything"
its very eye opening.
hence in my opinion my original comment holds water, and a lot of it. black history month is more racist than danas tweet is sexist.
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by Sterling Archer on Apr 28, 2011 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Ironically
The very fact that his name is ‘Freeman’ implies that his family had bought their way out of slavery a long time ago.
"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."
and how does Morgan Freeman's have any sort of authority?
I call something racist when something is racist, I call something sexist when something is sexist, I call something homophobic when something is homophobic, staying silent will not get rid of these problems…
not always will those who dumps on you be your enemies
and not always will those who take you out of shit be your friends
are you implying that had it been you rather than mike wallace having that discussion it would have ended differently?
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by Sterling Archer on Apr 28, 2011 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I think his point
is that by specifically declaring one month ‘black history month’, you’re essentially saying everything is non-black history.
I agree, if that’s what he meant. Its extremely patronizing by blacks have contributed so much to America, it should just be American history.
"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."
circle
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by Sterling Archer on Apr 28, 2011 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah
I’m not gonna get into the black history debate, since I’m not American, but I’m only replying to the “don’t talk about it” to get rid of racism.
not always will those who dumps on you be your enemies
and not always will those who take you out of shit be your friends
i believe you cant get rid of it, you just cant. some people are inherently ignorant… its the way of the world. trust me, i value your opinion on the matter, i read your posts and theyre well gathered. fundemental differences in opinion are ok, and yours is logical.
Jonny Bench called.
by Sterling Archer on Apr 28, 2011 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree with you about that
That’s why I mentioned the fact his name is ‘Freeman’.
Its a name a lot of freed slaves took during those times. There’s a good chance that he never experienced the type of shame and oppression that most black people his age have.
Sidney Portier, is a real ninja. He said he never thought he was anything less than anyone else because he grew up in Barbados. Where everyone was black.
He said when he came to America to be an actor, he was shocked and pissed because they only wanted to cast him as a servant or driver. Nevertheless, he thought of himself as ‘the man’ and sure enough he was cast as ‘the man’.
"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."
i dont mind talking about it if you dont. it may be the wrong place to do so, in which case im sure mike will step in and say ‘not here boys’ but im not debating, more of a spirited discussion. i know youre not ‘wrong’ just as much as you know im not. just different. red isnt better than blue, its just different. im actually exceedingly interested in your opinion due to the fact your not from this country. im also leaving work to go out to dinner…so i may not respond after this.
either way, good stuff all around, you and filt, cheers.
Jonny Bench called.
by Sterling Archer on Apr 28, 2011 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I certainly think it is wrong to stay silent when it comes to racism though
having a voice is what helped reduce the amount of racism we have to deal with during our lives, so I certainly don’t agree with that line of thinking. good talking to you too brother, peace out.
not always will those who dumps on you be your enemies
and not always will those who take you out of shit be your friends
typo
patronizing, blacks have contributed so much to America, it should just be American history.
"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."
who gives an eff about Morgan Freeman?
the guys a pedofile in my book. Any sicko that wants to marry his step grand-daughter has something wrong with them.
But
Of course he’s black and has experienced racism… but I think its crazy to look at him for perspective on anything.
"that guy just brings it to every post superbowl party there is, this guy is a stone-cold killer Jaws" - Jon Gruden on Ray Lewis
On cauliflower ear: "This guy’s tough. His ears are like potatoes. Looks like he got stuck in the birth canal, had to beat him out with a stick." - Don Frye
"He's still a little wobbly on his feet, ya know? Either that or he's got good rhythm." - Don Frye
by Matt Millen draft advisor on Apr 28, 2011 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
That's what I'm saying
Thank you for reminding us all he married his granddaughter.
"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."
things i didn't know...
….for $800 alex.
Jonny Bench called.
by Sterling Archer on Apr 28, 2011 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions
From the most reputable source I could find:
http://www.nationalenquirer.com/celebrity/morgan-freeman-incest-shocker-insider-charges
The handful of other articles I checked all referenced the Enquirer article.
So…. ya….
Jose Canseco was a source once too…
So… ya….
"that guy just brings it to every post superbowl party there is, this guy is a stone-cold killer Jaws" - Jon Gruden on Ray Lewis
On cauliflower ear: "This guy’s tough. His ears are like potatoes. Looks like he got stuck in the birth canal, had to beat him out with a stick." - Don Frye
"He's still a little wobbly on his feet, ya know? Either that or he's got good rhythm." - Don Frye
by Matt Millen draft advisor on Apr 28, 2011 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Of course, I understand the point you're trying to make
I just don’t agree.
First of all, I’ve never heard the expression ‘jump on a tree’.
Second, if it was said in the right context to Rampage, it wouldn’t be racist.
"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."
I don't know the saying you're talking about
but not all sayings can nor should be used for everyone. plus, not all sayings are politically correct either, just because there is a ‘saying’ doesn’t make it right to say it.
not always will those who dumps on you be your enemies
and not always will those who take you out of shit be your friends
no
he just told him to put her on a leash, you don’t need to call someone a N to appear racist either, it depends on the context of the conversation. (again, I’m using racism as an example for you to understand).
not always will those who dumps on you be your enemies
and not always will those who take you out of shit be your friends
sure you can
not always will those who dumps on you be your enemies
and not always will those who take you out of shit be your friends
You can
I just won’t agree.
Here in America, the word ‘nigger’ is nothing like the word ‘bitch’.
I am not selectively choosing to turn a blind eye to sexism, but you cannot compare the words.
"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."
I'm not equating the words
simply using them as examples, you fail to realize that.
not always will those who dumps on you be your enemies
and not always will those who take you out of shit be your friends
I undertand you example
and disagree.
What Michael Richards did would be perceived as racist by nearly anyone. He actually used the word nigger over and over. Dana never used a slur.
You’re not getting that part. You can say it was implied, I can say it wasn’t.
Lets agree to disagree.
"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."
well, when you put them into context, it’s the same as saying ‘bitch’ is what I mean.
not always will those who dumps on you be your enemies
and not always will those who take you out of shit be your friends
I get that
I even said it myself.
Once again. You can’t compare implying the word bitch to repeatedly called someone a nigger.
"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."
you can use it as an example
because sexism is just as bad as racism, unfortunately, it takes racist examples to show people that, because those people don’t feel that sexism is just as bad as racism, due to sexism itself.
not always will those who dumps on you be your enemies
and not always will those who take you out of shit be your friends
people don’t feel that sexism is just as bad as racism, due to sexism itself.
I was going to leave it at the “agree to disagree” part, but since you said it first – this.
There are things that are implicitly or directly sexist, but when they’re called out, the response is deemed overly sensitive due to sexism itself.
"Ellismania is, along with the black President, a symbol of the future." - Mayhem Miller
Tweeter!
Here's the thing
It doesn’t take racist examples.
I understood this whole time and take offense at the notion that I could only see sexism if it was compared to racism. I also take offense at the idea that I believe racism is worse than sexism. I never said that.
I talk almost daily with people about sexism. I know some woman have it really tough.
This isn’t the place, but I could talk all day about the ways women and people of color have been used and neglected in America.
Disney movies are a perfect example of how we see women.
Where are all the strong maternal figures in their movies? Dead or gone. Why is that?
"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."
I'm sorry if you take offense
but I don’t see how else to explain it, if you can’t find something sexist to be sexist than you are being ignorant to sexism. I’m sorry, but how else could I show you how something is being sexist without drawing some kind of example with something else that’s just as bad? In this case I chose racism because nowadays there are less racists than there are sexists and people can get the general sense of it.
not always will those who dumps on you be your enemies
and not always will those who take you out of shit be your friends
if you can’t find something sexist to be sexist than you are being ignorant to sexism.
This is the problem, I knew it could easily be seen as sexist and even acknowledge that Dana is sexist.
I’m a black man(like you), but you don’t have to put things in racial terms for me to get it. That’s all I’m saying.
I completely agree that sexism is no better than sexism. But I never said any different. I just didn’t like the comparisons and the example you used.
"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."
if you can acknowledge that his statements are sexist
than I’m cool :p
not always will those who dumps on you be your enemies
and not always will those who take you out of shit be your friends
btw, this comment was a joke.
Probably poorly-timed.
"Ellismania is, along with the black President, a symbol of the future." - Mayhem Miller
Tweeter!
Alright, good.
Just wanted to clear that up – I wouldn’t say something like that seriously.
"Ellismania is, along with the black President, a symbol of the future." - Mayhem Miller
Tweeter!
well
then there is your problem, you don’t see how language is a powerful tool and don’t think people should be criticized for how they use it. fortunately, most of us don’t agree with you :p
Dana is a business man and a lot of people look up to him, just look at everyone who defends everything he does, he should lead by example since he’s in front of the media all the time.
let me ask you this, if Kramer from Seinfeld is calling someone the N word repeatedly, would that be racist or is it only racist for those who wants to see it that way?
not always will those who dumps on you be your enemies
and not always will those who take you out of shit be your friends
if Kramer from Seinfeld is calling someone the N word repeatedly, would that be racist or is it only racist for those who wants to see it that way?
This makes literally no sense. You are better than this, Orcus.
Not only did Dana never once use a slur in that tweet, comparing the n word and bitch is just ludicrous and downright disingenuous.
"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."
it's not ludicrous at all
put it in context, you said the following:
Its only sexist to a person who wants to read it that way, IMO.
it sounds like you’re arguing that there isn’t a problem of sexism, that it only exists in the eye of the reader, likewise, racism would only exist to those who are very sensitive about the subject, but this isn’t true, and it isn’t true when it comes to sexism either. Sexism is sexism, what Dana said is very sexist, it’s not only to those of us who wants to read it that way, it’s not that we want to read it that way, it’s sexist because it is. that’s it.
not always will those who dumps on you be your enemies
and not always will those who take you out of shit be your friends
I understood exactly what you mean
An enraged Michael Richards yelling the word nigger at a black man over and over is in no way comparable to what Dana has said. Period.
I knew someone would respond with this argument, but its just not comparable.
You do not need to be sensitive at all to see that Michael Richards was trying to use a hateful word(repeatedly) with a long history of violence in order to excite a response. Was it racist? I believe so. Do I care? No. He’s an idiot.
I’ve heard the phrase thousands of times, “Get him on a leash”. In this particular instance, its a woman who could use a leash. Is that sexist? It can be.
"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."
Is that sexist? It can be
no, it is. you correctly take into account the history of racism but you don’t do the same when it comes to sexism.
not always will those who dumps on you be your enemies
and not always will those who take you out of shit be your friends
no, it can be. It’s just as technically sexist to not say something because of the sex of the recipient as it is to say it because of their gender.
sexism (ˈsɛksɪzəm) [Click for IPA pronunciation guide]
— n
discrimination on the basis of sex
now that's hilarious
and very erroneous to say the least. you should take gender, race and sexual orientation into account when choosing your language, always.
not always will those who dumps on you be your enemies
and not always will those who take you out of shit be your friends
I disagree completely
That mindset fosters discrimination as much as anything else. Treating another person differently because of race/creed/religion/gender is discrimination. It’s not doing anybody any favors
I laugh at your ignorance
not always will those who dumps on you be your enemies
and not always will those who take you out of shit be your friends
I laugh at your self-righteousness
You should say the same thing to a white christian man, as you would a black muslim woman. Same goes for NOT saying.
crazy
not always will those who dumps on you be your enemies
and not always will those who take you out of shit be your friends
When I say “NOT saying”, I mean that if you wouldn’t use a slur with someone of a different fillintheblank than you, you shouldn’t use it with someone of the same fillintheblank as you. Therefore race/gender/etc aren’t really taken in to account, it’s the slur that is focused on. That’s just my opinion, though. Going back to my padded room, now.
I'm sort of with you on this.
You should take gender, race, and sexual orientation into account when choosing your language if you care about your image.
If you’re fine with being labeled a racist, homophone, misogynist, whatever – then speak freely. Not everyone will agree with everything you say, but if you want to be as universally accepted as possible, you steer clear of things that could cause controversy.
"Ellismania is, along with the black President, a symbol of the future." - Mayhem Miller
Tweeter!
In America
You will always offend someone regardless of what you say.
IMO, the idea that you can’t tell Jenna to shut the fuck up is discrimination in itself.
"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."
I don't live in America
and he isn’t being criticized for the “shut the fuck up” part,
not always will those who dumps on you be your enemies
and not always will those who take you out of shit be your friends
In the States
‘Get (so-and-so) on a leash’ is a very common saying.
If Jenna was a woman, this is a non-story.
"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."
by TheFilt on Apr 28, 2011 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
you mean if Jenna was a man
and it is an issue because she isn’t, and rightfully so.
not always will those who dumps on you be your enemies
and not always will those who take you out of shit be your friends
Jenna isn't the owner of the UFC
not always will those who dumps on you be your enemies
and not always will those who take you out of shit be your friends
He doesn't seem to care
Neither does anyone else.
It reminds me of the saying “worry about your pockets. Not mine.”
Unless of course, this tweet “ruins the sport”.
"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."
Hahaha.
No, her image doesn’t matter because she’s not fronting a billion-dollar company that’s (presumably) trying to break into the mainstream.
"Ellismania is, along with the black President, a symbol of the future." - Mayhem Miller
Tweeter!
let me use a different example for that
what my neighbor says impacts society on a much more different level than what my Mayor says, do you see the difference? What Jenna says or does doesn’t affect the MMA community as something DW has to say.
not always will those who dumps on you be your enemies
and not always will those who take you out of shit be your friends
by Orcus on Apr 28, 2011 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
It should be obvious
but like you said ‘Tom’(if that is your real name), Jenna’s just not important. Dana is.
"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."
and what Dana does/say
is very important, even if it’s about unimportant people, like Jenna.
(and Tom is a nick name I had since I can remember, and I’m not giving you my real name :p)
not always will those who dumps on you be your enemies
and not always will those who take you out of shit be your friends
It seems that these was Jenna reaction to watching the Liddell video where they kindda poked at Tito this was Jenna’s tweet
@danawhite your the last guy in the world that should be ragging on Tito not being liked. Um, you pay him a fortune
Well stirring the pot
and she holds her own
At the end of the day @danawhite is the fucking daddy! #titoortiz is a has been! #huntingtonbaybitch @jennajameson pipe down about Dana!
in reply to ↑
@beni_henney fuck you punk ass… Say that to titos face…. Lolololol, is probably kick your scrawny ass
now you just lost my respect
and I can see why you’re blind to sexism. peace out
not always will those who dumps on you be your enemies
and not always will those who take you out of shit be your friends
but you're still blind to the sexism at hand
let’s move on from this, we’re not going to change each other’s mind :p
not always will those who dumps on you be your enemies
and not always will those who take you out of shit be your friends
In no way am I blind
I wholeheartedly believe Dana is sexist.
I just don’t think this tweet is a big deal or the best example of it.
"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."
but you don't see why people would take issue with what he said?
not always will those who dumps on you be your enemies
and not always will those who take you out of shit be your friends
Of course I do
But at the same time, what he does to his employees(for everyone to see) is a lot worse.
"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."
worse than what people here seem to view it as sexist?
I doubt that
not always will those who dumps on you be your enemies
and not always will those who take you out of shit be your friends
Maybe I see it that way
Because he’s part of an industry that I hope to make my career in.
"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."
trust me
I definitely take offense to him acting like a kid too, I criticize him for using the F-bomb all the time in front of camera’s, but that doesn’t compare to him using the word ‘fagot’ or ‘bitch’ or something in that context.
not always will those who dumps on you be your enemies
and not always will those who take you out of shit be your friends
Here's where we differ
In America, the word ‘faggot’ has been used like word ‘nigger’ in many ways. To invoke shame, hate, fear and violence.
The word ‘bitch’ is not nice, but has no where near the connotation of the other two.
"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."
but I’m not equating the words, just drawing an example on how neither should be used.
not always will those who dumps on you be your enemies
and not always will those who take you out of shit be your friends
Correct
I’m letting our arguments spill together.
If he had called Jenna a bitch that would be undeniably sexist, even though he would probably say the same thing about Tito. :)
"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."
Morgan Freeman isn't the president of black people
please have a mind of your own or stfu
not always will those who dumps on you be your enemies
and not always will those who take you out of shit be your friends
by Orcus on Apr 28, 2011 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well this was the first time I saw that interview
But not the first time I have come in contact with that idea. It is a good idea and we are farther from a world without racism or sexism when you are picking and choosing the things you say to people based on the color of their skin or their gender. I’m aware that the people I speak to are humans with feelings and I try to speak to them in a way that all humans would appreciate. No more, no less.
Dude,
He played God on a movie.
Morgan Freeman isn’t the president of black people
Funny shit.
I can picture Barack right now….
“And what does Morgan Freeman have to say about this?”
"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."
lmao
seriously, sometimes I read stuff that takes me out of character, like wtf did that come from :p
not always will those who dumps on you be your enemies
and not always will those who take you out of shit be your friends
I just realized
Maybe he’s confusing Morgan Freeman with Nelson Mandela.
"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."
I doubt Mandela feels that way though, but even if he does, I feel there isn’t any one person that can speak for all of us in general.
not always will those who dumps on you be your enemies
and not always will those who take you out of shit be your friends
I was just joking
cause he played him.
And Mandela is the president of black people.
"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."
ah ok
that one passed right above my head hehe, I forgot about that movie :p
not always will those who dumps on you be your enemies
and not always will those who take you out of shit be your friends
I never said that he should speak for anyone
It was just that he pretty much said the opposite of what you did, in an interview that was referenced earlier in this thread.
I just disagree with your assertion and I think it does more harm than good.
and I completely disagree with his assertions
I think they do more harm than good.
not always will those who dumps on you be your enemies
and not always will those who take you out of shit be your friends
I will admit that...
…He is talking about a hypothetical that is almost entirely impossible to achieve and speaking in realist terms, to ignore peoples differences is to turn a blind eye to injustices.
But I’ve grown up in a place that has become very multicultural and I’ve watched the way young people treat each other and it just seems like more and more they are ignoring the differences between them. So that is why I think Freeman is onto something.
if the young people are growing into a culture that needs not to distinct the differences between each other
than society will change itself in the future to where we don’t need to point out racism/sexism/homophobia because quite simply, there will be none. but we aren’t there yet, and to be honest I don’t see much promise with today’s kids either (just go read some youtube comments for a while and you’ll see what I mean, though I believe most of those are just trolls, it still shows the level of ignorance our societies have when it comes to bigotry).
not always will those who dumps on you be your enemies
and not always will those who take you out of shit be your friends
by Orcus on Apr 28, 2011 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Sometimes I think that....
….the comments on youtube videos are made by the same 5 self loathing losers. There is a lot of hate on there and it is lame.
But at the same time, speaking of youtube, there are some pretty inspiring things on there as well.
…wow. I hadn’t even connected those.
"Ellismania is, along with the black President, a symbol of the future." - Mayhem Miller
Tweeter!
Its a mind fucker
In so many ways both Morgan Freeman and Mayhem were prophets.
"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."
The way your post reads...
…is like they were both assassinated or something.
by black dragon on Apr 29, 2011 9:03 AM EDT up reply actions
wait,
Nelson Mandela was also an AMERICAN president?
by Victor Rodriguez on Apr 28, 2011 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions
A little humor.
http://www.theonion.com/articles/do-we-really-want-another-black-president-after-th,11365/
"Ellismania is, along with the black President, a symbol of the future." - Mayhem Miller
Tweeter!
There is a long documented history in this country of blacks actually wearing leashes, shackles, chains etc. Then there’s the whole Jim Crow and lynching era.
I just don’t agree with the comparison.
"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."
There’s also a history of women being treated like second-class citizens, and in many countries that still happens.
Not saying it’s on par with slavery, but I’m just pointing out that women have also faced persecution to some extent.
"Ellismania is, along with the black President, a symbol of the future." - Mayhem Miller
Tweeter!
That is obvious
But you still can’t compare telling Tito to put Jenna on a leash with using the word nigger.
"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."
again you're failing to understand my example.
not always will those who dumps on you be your enemies
and not always will those who take you out of shit be your friends
Are you crazy?
Slavery?!! This is a common conversation between two rivals if anything DW treats her like equal.
Uh, no?
Nowhere did I say that this was a harkening to slavery. TheFilt said there’s a history of blacks being mistreated in the United States, hence the sensitivity to racism.
I just pointed out that there’s also a history of women being mistreated, hence the sensitivity to sexism.
"Ellismania is, along with the black President, a symbol of the future." - Mayhem Miller
Tweeter!
Ugh
So Chuck can make a video about no one liking Tito, but Tito’s wife points out an obvious fact that Chuck can’t make it out of a fight now without getting smashed, and Dana gets all uppity about it? Kind of a double edged sword. I don’t think it has anything to do with Jenna being female, more so Dana getting mad that she made fun of his bestie Chuck. Really is a non story tho, but maybe we can get back some of that Tito/Dana hate that used to be kindda fun.
I think more people would care
if it was someone other than Jenna Jameson.
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by Cory Braiterman on Apr 28, 2011 1:21 PM EDT reply actions 7 recs
Yep.
She deserves it anything she gets. Simple as that.
Seeing as her big mouth and bad attitude nearly ended Tito's career
and put him in jail, I’d say she’s a lost cause. But a leash wouldn’t hurt.
“Hey, Rampage. Put Tiki on a leash.”
Since she’s female, apparently she is not a regular person and is therefore free from criticism or harsh words.
"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."
“Since she’s female, apparently she is not a regular person and is therefore free from criticism or harsh words.”
That’s not what anyone is saying.
Twitter: @Mike_Fagan_13
I don’t expect Bloody Elbow readers to be sensitive to gender issues, but if I do expect a certain level of reading comprehension.
Twitter: @Mike_Fagan_13
by Mike Fagan on Apr 28, 2011 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I expected writer's
to take things into context and not create their own narrative.
"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."
You mean the narrative that Dana White has a history of irresponsible and inappropriate behavior with regards to women, slurs, etc.?
Twitter: @Mike_Fagan_13
In both this case and the Lorretta Hunt situation his comments had nothing to do with them being woman, if they were men his reaction would have been similar.
I do agree though that both can be perceived as slurs against women, and that perception can be all that matters.
it can be a slur against women, but most of the time it is just a derogatory term towards a specific person. Similar to calling a guy an asshole.
well he called hunt’s source a pussy, who i would guess was a guy. It is not uncommon for him to use a derogatory term at someone.
And "pussy" is derogatory..
precisely because it alludes to femininity. Likewise bitch. In either case, a sexist attitude is absolutely implicit to using the word as an insult.
"With gold thou boughtest Gýmir's daughter,
and so gavest away thy sword:
but when Muspell's sons through the dark forest ride,
thou, unhappy, wilt not have wherewith to fight."
~ Lokasenna
Ah, the old etymolygy argument.
Yeah, that’s a whole ’nother issue in and of itself. But I agree with you.
"Ellismania is, along with the black President, a symbol of the future." - Mayhem Miller
Tweeter!
I was a little general in my previous post.
It’s not that she’s free of criticism or harsh words, but being female, you’ve got to be much, much more careful about how you say and approach things given how sensitive the issue of feminism is.
"Ellismania is, along with the black President, a symbol of the future." - Mayhem Miller
Tweeter!
Good thing that's not the issue at hand.
"Ellismania is, along with the black President, a symbol of the future." - Mayhem Miller
Tweeter!
See what I said below.
In the end, this is not a massive deal. It’s not going to kill the growth of the UFC or ruin the sport or anything like that.
But it’s not at all helpful in putting out a positive image of the sport.
"Ellismania is, along with the black President, a symbol of the future." - Mayhem Miller
Tweeter!
Since she’s female, apparently she is not a regular person and is therefore free from criticism or harsh words.
More or less, yeah.
"Ellismania is, along with the black President, a symbol of the future." - Mayhem Miller
Tweeter!
Should have told her to smell the glove
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yeah I don’t see it being that sexist. I have a buddy who fly’s off the handle and we joke that he needs to be but on a leash. Maybe not the wisest choice of words, but not that out of line. Besides a leash is just a tuesday at the office for Jenna.
rec'd for Tap reference...
Ian Faith: They’re not gonna release the album… because they have decided that the cover is sexist.
Nigel Tufnel: Well, so what? What’s wrong with bein’ sexy? I mean there’s no…
Ian Faith: Sex-IST!
David St. Hubbins: IST!
by John Danaher's Hair on Apr 28, 2011 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions
A proffesional cock sucker mocks Chuck Liddell and Mark Coleman among others, BE readers shold have been angry at Dana White if he HADN’T said what he did!
Dana’s being an idiot but let’s see what’s going on with the NFL?
(source: http://www.signonsandiego.com/nfl/arrests-database/?appSession=626294083513673)
4/26/2011 Albert Haynesworth Washington DT Grand jury indicts him, charges him with misdemeanor sexual abuse. He allegedly fondled the breast of server at Washington restaurant on Feb. 13.
4/19/2011 William Moore Atlanta S_ Arrested, charged with charged with speeding, driving with a suspended license and failure to appear in court, which stemmed from previous tickets.
4/12/2011 Kenny Britt Tennessee WR Arrested in New Jersey after car chase with police. Charged with felony: eluding an officer.
4/4/2011 Mike Vrabel Kansas City LB Arrested at casino in Indiana, accused of theft of beers.
4/3/2011 Louis Murphy Oakland WR Arrested in Florida after traffic stop. Police say he had a bottle of Viagra pills for which he did not have a prescription.
3/29/2011 Aqib Talib Tampa Bay CB Felony arrest warrant issued in Texas for Talib and his mother in connection to March 21 incident in which gun was fired. He faces charge of aggravated assault with a deadly weapon stemming from fight with his sister’s partner.
3/26/2011 Jason Peters Philadelphia OT Arrested in Shreveport, La., charged with resisting arrest after being pulled over because of loud music coming from his vehicle.
3/25/2011 Johnny Jolly Green Bay DE Arrested in Houston after traffic stop, charged with possession of codeine with intent to distribute. He pleaded guilty to one codeine possession charge from 2008. Sentenced to a drug treatment program and five years of deferred adjudication.
3/19/2011 Bryan McCann Dallas CB Arrested by Dallas police, charged with public intoxication.
3/17/2011 Mario Henderson Oakland OT Arrested in Florida and charged with carrying a concealed firearm. He was pulled over for playing music too loud.
3/12/2011 Chris Cook Minnesota CB Arrested in Virginia on suspicion of brandishing gun during fight.
3/4/2011 King Dunlap Philadelphia OT Arrested, charged with reckless driving and disorderly conduct in Nashville after allegedly driving his SUV onto sidewalk in front of Bridgestone Arena and refusing to move.
2/12/2011 Michael Bush Oakland RB Arrested, charged with DUI in Indiana after being pulled over at 3:47 a.m. Pleaded guilty to misdemeanor reckless driving, one year probation, 20 hours community service, $1,000 in fines.
2/12/2011 Legedu Naanee Chargers WR Arrested in Indianapolis, charged with public intoxication and resisting arrest. Police said he came across crime scene and was told to leave but did not. Not tendered contract three weeks later.
2/9/2011 Kenny Britt Tennessee WR Criminal complaint filed against him alleging theft by deception. He allegedly failed his pledge to pay two bail bonds companies for friend arrested in January 2010.
2/2/2011 Albert Haynesworth Washington DL Charged with assault. Police say it was a road rage case and Haynesworth allegedly assaulted another driver. He was not arrested.
1/31/2011 Everson Griffen Minnesota DE Arrested on suspicion of felony battery. He allegedly assaulted police officer near USC campus.
1/29/2011 Everson Griffen Minnesota DE Arrested and charged with public intoxication in Hollywood.
1/17/2011 Laurence Maroney Denver RB Arrested after police found guns and drugs in car with four other men in St. Louis.
by MMABookworm on Apr 28, 2011 1:24 PM EDT reply actions 16 recs
And that's just 2011...my god.
I don't always hope for draft picks, but when I do, I prefer Owen Marecic.
by tito (eight and oh) on Apr 28, 2011 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Rec’d. Awesome. Eat it, everyone who thinks what Dana does or says is somehow going to ruin the sport.
I don't think anyone here thinks this will "ruin the sport".
But it sure as shit isn’t helpful.
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Tweeter!
This one made me laugh!
4/4/2011 Mike Vrabel Kansas City LB Arrested at casino in Indiana, accused of theft of beers.
I like this one:
4/3/2011 Louis Murphy Oakland WR Arrested in Florida after traffic stop. Police say he had a bottle of Viagra pills for which he did not have a prescription.
by MMABookworm on Apr 28, 2011 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
have their been any mma arrests?
off the top of my head i cant think of anything, is that due to the lack of ridiculous amounts of money being piled on top of people? or the general martial arts attitude
"I have smoked weed with alot of UFC champions" - Joe Rogan
"Você ta fudido. Se vai levar muita porrada, ta ligado?" - Anderson Silva
Leben got arrested for drunk driving semi-recently.
I think Rampage got arrested as well. And there was that one aspiring MMA’ist that took mushrooms and killed his friend or something, eventhough that isn’t UFC related.
Pretty sure Leonard Garcia was arrested for involvement with a cocaine ring or something. He was cleared, though.
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damn i forgot a big one
chael sonnen
"I have smoked weed with alot of UFC champions" - Joe Rogan
"Você ta fudido. Se vai levar muita porrada, ta ligado?" - Anderson Silva
And Melvin got arrested for Cocaine use once as well.
If i’m not mistaken. Looks like there have been a few!
its telling though when the bengals still have more arrests
"I have smoked weed with alot of UFC champions" - Joe Rogan
"Você ta fudido. Se vai levar muita porrada, ta ligado?" - Anderson Silva
Its part of our strategy
Conducting an experiment on knocking people out in particular ways would be unethical.
by Chris Hall on Apr 28, 2011 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Wasn't arguing that there are more arrests in MMA or NFL.
You asked if there were any, i listed those i remembered.
i'm just saying how ridiculous it is that the bengals still have more arrests
especially compared to “dangerous cagefighters”
"I have smoked weed with alot of UFC champions" - Joe Rogan
"Você ta fudido. Se vai levar muita porrada, ta ligado?" - Anderson Silva
umm..
Lee Murray.
Biggest bank heist in UK history.
I think that tops all those NFL charges.
Sheeeeeeeee-it
by Clay Davis on Apr 28, 2011 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Joe Son?
…and plenty more. Warmachine is in prison right now for ex. My guess is that MMA fighters will probably be more likely to come in conflict with the law (not the elite though, necessarily).
To save me some time on 25% of all threads, here's the universal answer to the Fedor-debate: Fedor is the most accomplished MMA fighter ever. That is a fact. If he still is the best fighter at this point in time is up for debate.
Sighs....goddamn you "Fat" Albert Haynesworth....
They made a video game about Yakuzas. It’s called Yakuza. And it’s about Yakuza
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I look at it like this
Dana thinks the UFC exists in the same league as the NFL, NBA, etc. Then act like it! I can’t begin to fathom the reaction if Roger Goodell or David Stern posted this on their twitter. I don’t find what he says to be offensive, but he needs to find some happy medium between being the brash guy that draws in casuals and being so unprofessional that he keeps the sport from advancing.
Dana being overly sensitive
He really, really should not give a flying fuck about what Jenna says ever and in any format.
This tweet just makes him look like a hot head who can’t control what he says and puts way to much stock in people’s whose opinion or thoughts have next to no effect on his business.
On today’s edition of “blowing things out of proportion” we have an often featured guest, mr. Mike Fagan…
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by Austin Martin on Apr 28, 2011 1:25 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 7 recs
I’m not sure what I’m blowing out of proportion. The bigger issue here may be that BE readers have become so used to White’s behavior that this is seen as acceptable.
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by Mike Fagan on Apr 28, 2011 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions 16 recs
How is it unacceptable? He used no derogatory language and I’ve heard this used both ways. People just freak out because dana speaks his mind. You have no idea what she said to set him off, so you have his reaction to demonify him with.
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by Austin Martin on Apr 28, 2011 1:45 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 4 recs
Doesn't matter what she said to set him off.
As a public figure and representative of MMA, he should be above this. Dana “speak[ing] his mind” like this is unnecessary and does nothing to help the growth of MMA.
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Let’s cut the bullshit, this is a quarrel between friends.
by Coeman on Apr 28, 2011 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Quarrel between friends or said completely maliciously,...
…you need a sense of decorum. How hard is that to understand? Everything else aside – sexism, homophobia, whatever you want to point at that Dana does – there’s a certain standard to which public figures are upheld. Dana consistently falls below that standard. As a professional, he should be above getting in Twitter arguments and throwing f-bombs around in public.
"Ellismania is, along with the black President, a symbol of the future." - Mayhem Miller
Tweeter!
Who set the standards?
Who’s to say that what he said is wrong. I see this in business all the time people get angry say crazy things and make up or not. Don’t be a prude, I rather somebody like Dana speak his mind than some guy that is ripping everybody a new asshole behind close doors.
I see this in business all the time people get angry say crazy things and make up or not.
It’s irrelevant whether Dana and Jenna make up.
What is relevant is airing your dirty laundry in public like that.
I’m not being a prude – I couldn’t care less if every other word he said was “fuck”. But social decorum dictates that you shouldn’t go around swearing constantly. He violates these social norms, which conflicts with his goal of getting the UFC into the mainstream.
"Ellismania is, along with the black President, a symbol of the future." - Mayhem Miller
Tweeter!
Mainstream is
Steven Tyler swearing on Idol. Mainstream is Jersey Shore. Mainstream is far from what you think it is.
Steven Tyler caught some shit for swearing on Idol, too.
Jersey Shore also catches flak for its negative portrayal of Italians and New Jerseyans (New Jerseyites?). Companies have pulled their ads from MTV because of that show. So tell me how that’s good for business, please.
"Ellismania is, along with the black President, a symbol of the future." - Mayhem Miller
Tweeter!
1) Telling a husband to put his wife “on a leash” is, at the very least, subject to interpretation as sexist.
2) Outside of threatening him or his family, it doesn’t matter what she said to set him off.
3) Like I said IN THE POST, this isn’t something that I find personally offensive. And I certainly did “demonify” him. I’m not sure how anyone could come to that conclusion from what I wrote.
Twitter: @Mike_Fagan_13
by Mike Fagan on Apr 28, 2011 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
How is the leash analogy any more demeaning than someone referring to someone else as “whipped?” He didn’t call her any names.
In response to Alicks, the BE community is not really in line with the majorit of adolescent males/ young men in terms of mentality. I doubt this bothers more than .01 percent of people who follow mma
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by Austin Martin on Apr 28, 2011 1:55 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
“How is the leash analogy any more demeaning than someone referring to someone else as "whipped?" He didn’t call her any names.”
Men/husbands should not control women/wives.
Twitter: @Mike_Fagan_13
"Men/husbands should not control women/wives"
Sounds like someone is seriously pussywhipped.
by drain on Apr 28, 2011 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
If you wanted to not get banned
You could have said “Wives shouldn’t control their husbands either. No one should control their partner.”
"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."
i dont really care...
i dont post that often anyway. more of a lurker. Fagan just seems to be real high and mighty here like he’s the self-appointed champion of women’s rights or something. I’ve been happily married for 10 years, but this just comes acreoss as some sissyboy whining to try to win some points with girl-power nation.
by drain on Apr 28, 2011 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
At what point in the post do you get that notion? Where I say this shouldn’t be a big deal and he shouldn’t be vilified as the Worst Person in the World?
Listen, I don’t mind criticism of my work. I do mind people misrepresenting what the hell I said. I’ve been anything but “high and mighty” on this issue.
Twitter: @Mike_Fagan_13
comments like yours make me realize that i’m glad im heterosexual. Now proceed with painting your nails….
by drain on Apr 28, 2011 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I just worry for the future of the sport. How are MMA fans ever going to reproduce?
by Beau Dure on Apr 28, 2011 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
lol
I’ve seen this gif thousands of times and just now did I notice the guy behind him looks like he’s smoking a joint.
not always will those who dumps on you be your enemies
and not always will those who take you out of shit be your friends
by Orcus on Apr 29, 2011 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
In response to Alicks, the BE community is not really in line with the majorit of adolescent males/ young men in terms of mentality. I doubt this bothers more than .01 percent of people who follow mma
I agree with that last statement. But as I’ve said, statements like this can only hurt the growth of MMA. There’s no upside to it.
"Ellismania is, along with the black President, a symbol of the future." - Mayhem Miller
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I was vague.
“statements like this” = “Dana’s outbursts”
"Ellismania is, along with the black President, a symbol of the future." - Mayhem Miller
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Well I think his point is that no one will give a shit about this, so if you don’t either why bother making a sensationalist post about it? At least that’s my take on it. Telling someone to put their significant other on a leash is a fairly common and tame insult, I doubt it will make the front pages (except for on BE heh)
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If someone tells my wife to shut the fuck up…I’m pissed
If someone tells me to keep her on a leash? I’m dropping them
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 28, 2011 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Either way I’d be fired up, but living in boston fighting just isn’t worth it. Words don’t mean anything. Only way I’m getting “street” is if anything physical occurs with her. People can jaw all they want, and I can be as tough as I am, but I’m not inpenitrable to knives. Most people aren’t.
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by Austin Martin on Apr 28, 2011 2:07 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Fuck that, YOU GET IN THAT ASS!!
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by spectaa on Apr 28, 2011 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You open that asshole up and get a spray can and spray his whole asshole up. Larry was here! Then you eat a snickers bar and throw the wrapper on the floor! Fuck his whole asshole up! Then you walk out that bitch and leave the door wide open so he know you been there….
I love Leon Black
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"He's still a little wobbly on his feet, ya know? Either that or he's got good rhythm." - Don Frye
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One of the best CYE moments of all time IMO
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by ElliotMatheny on Apr 28, 2011 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions
You should only fight people you know are cool
that way, if anyone gets stabbed you can apologize and move on.
"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."
Haha yeah that, shit
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by Austin Martin on Apr 28, 2011 2:13 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
All he said was put her on a leash. Not like he told Tito to go smack his woman around so she’ll know her role.
Just out of curiosity, how many females are there on here that find his tweet repulsive and sexist?
I don’t see anything that bad about it.. but ‘m a guy, and stuff like this doesn’t bother me that much. People need to stop being so thin skined. We don’t want to live in a world that is this PC, its pathetic.
Lets hope there’s no appology, i’m sick of people appoligizing for stuff they are not sorry for.
Sheeeeeeeee-it
by Clay Davis on Apr 28, 2011 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
At least one.
I’m not a female, but I told my girlfriend about it. Granted, she’s very sensitive to gender issues and the whole feminism thing, but yeah.
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That's a ridiculous statement.
Just because it’s someone’s standard behavior doesn’t mean there’s nothing wrong with it.
Ted Bundy, killing people? Nothing wrong with it – he’s just being who he is.
Extreme example, but see the point?
"Ellismania is, along with the black President, a symbol of the future." - Mayhem Miller
Tweeter!
Wow Extreme to say the least,
We are talking about a few comments not about raping killing and eating humans. Each public figure has his own personality I think that being honest direct and real is what we need. Hiding your thoughts and ideas behind close doors is stupid. Last week Luke Thomas was talking shit to one of the commentators and some complained that because he is now the senior editor of SB Nation MMA he should tone it down. Why? The world is changing people are free to speak there minds.
Sure, people are free to speak their minds. And other people are free to react to that.
If Dana’s in business to make money, why say unnecessarily say things that will turn them off from his business?
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Tweeter!
Who said it does?
I don’t feel his statements are in any way shape or form hurt the business. We need to start listening to people the way they really talk, hence the Howard Stern reference. You can hear many stars, directors important CEO speak the way they usually speak.
Name one CEO who talks like Dana, because I can’t think of any. Not being a wiseass, seriously.
His comments won’t kill the business, but they don’t help. Like I said, social norms – being polite, respectful, calm, and not vulgar.
By talking the way he does, he perpetuates the stereotype that MMA fighters and fans are a bunch of brash, loudmouthed asses. As the face of the UFC, he should be doing his best to present the UFC in a positive light.
"Ellismania is, along with the black President, a symbol of the future." - Mayhem Miller
Tweeter!
Not everybody
Is DW but many of them talk in a way that you will not approve.DW will not effect anybody who’s stereotyped MMA . Personally I feel Dana is speaking my language and I feel many MMA fans feel the same. Dana does many positive things and you won’t see him going on ESPN cursing and swearing it’s only Twitter for god’s sakes.
It’s only Twitter? Tell that to Gilbert Gottfried, or any number of other people who’ve tasted the repercussions of their tweets.
Dana White himself isn’t gonna change anyone’s mind. But the way “speaks his mind” does nothing to help the cause of MMA acceptance. I don’t know how you can’t grasp that.
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I can't because
It doesn’t. The regular fan doesn’t give a shit what DW is tweeting or say they probably don’t know all these TMZ like stories are happening. it’s the hardcore fans that even realize that these stories are even happening. What will bring MMA acceptance is more fighter’s exposure more appearances on TV shows. Not a tweet DW made.
Ugh. Do you even read what I write?
As I’ve tried to make abundantly clear – will Dana’s actions cause the UFC to lose fans? No.
Will Dana’s actions help gain fans in the future? No. No one watches the UFC because they say, “That Dana White, I like his attitude! He’s right, Jenna should shut the fuck up!”
People don’t watch or at least approve of the UFC because, “Those guys are a bunch of crude neanderthals!” Dana helps, even if unintentionally, support this idea every time he does something like this.
The regular fan doesn’t care. The regular person doesn’t care, because it’s irrelevant. But for those who oppose MMA, this is perfect ammunition for them to use against it. Why continually give them that for no real benefit?
"Ellismania is, along with the black President, a symbol of the future." - Mayhem Miller
Tweeter!
But for those who oppose MMA, this is perfect ammunition for them to use against it
This is the whole point. I say haters will always find something to latch on to inorder to discredit even if you’re a saint. If you live your life scared of what other people think or do you’ll end up being slaved to other people opinions.
Crude neanderthals?
Sorry if i’m not sympathetic towards a jerry springer, trashy, meddling ex porn star who interjects her opinion into an otherwise bantering exchange. I actually lean towards thinking this was all a joke, but even if it wasn’t, I feel zero need to cry foul here.
Is Dana a crass, bigoted, insensitive asshole? He sure is, and it’s been that way for a while. I don’t condone it, and I don’t think it’s a great way to carry yourself, but it’s obvious he isn’t changing a damn thing, and I sure as hell am not going to waste my time and energy lambasting him every time he says something distasteful in public.
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by ElliotMatheny on Apr 29, 2011 8:59 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree and
would add to your descriptions of DW Brash, cocky ,impudent, and sometimes tactless but these adjectives describes many successful CEOs man or woman.
can you give me examples?
not always will those who dumps on you be your enemies
and not always will those who take you out of shit be your friends
Interestingly enough....
….I wish the mainstream sports commissioners were LESS corporate and MORE like Dana White. I mean, let’s be real here. You don’t think Roger Goodell and David Stern say some nasty things about people behind closed doors?
Big corporations want to appeal to the largest amount of people. So any offensive statements hurt their bottom line.
But I am more turned off by dis-ingenuity than I am by what Dana says and corporate America is as dis-ingenuous as they come. I can’t be alone here can I?
Nah, I'm sure you're not.
Transparency is a good thing, and so is being genuine. But I think the majority would fall on the side of politeness and respecting social norms.
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I guess so. I just tend to have more faith in guys like Dana, who cross the line occasionally.
Public image is such a ridiculous concept, but unfortunately there are a lot of dumb people who buy into such things.
It's the swearing-leader thing.
Some leaders use swearing in order to build a sense of camaraderie – a kind of “I’m one of the guys, you can trust me!” feeling. I just think that’s not necessarily the best approach given how badly it can backfire on you.
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Im more upset
about what Jenna said about Chuck. Does she know who her husband is? He hasn’t won a fight in how long? At least Chuck was losing to top notched fighters.
Shut up, Tito.
by TruthSeeker1223 on Apr 28, 2011 1:25 PM EDT reply actions
I'm not familiar with Jenna's statements.
Can some one link me to them, or just quote what she said?
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by TheFilt on Apr 28, 2011 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
I didn't even know it was a tweet.
I thought maybe a book or something
Thats not the point
Sure we can all agree that Jenna Jamason is a whore, but these types of comments can burn Dana and the UFC in the long run.
These type of careless sound bites that Dana spews out his mouth only need to be picked up by women’s organizations. Media and sports writers that can seriously run with this comment and make things hell for the UFC down the line
When the UFC wants to break into New York. Or to get that primetime television spot on CBS, ESPN or NBC. Whatever other type of business expansion that the UFC has their eye on.
Do some of you really think that the President of a billion dollar company can make these types of careless comments towards women and have no impact or repercussions for either himself or Zuffa down the line?
Some of you must be seriously joking
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by dgonz on Apr 28, 2011 1:28 PM EDT reply actions 4 recs
Dana's gonna Dana
I guess I’ve seen him say way worse so I don’t think much of whatever he does anymore. I’m not saying this isn’t wrong but on a scale of 1 to Dana, this is pretty tame. I guess I just don’t care enough. Maybe it’s because it was directed at Jenna.
by pud333 on Apr 28, 2011 1:29 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
staying away from all things jenna and tito
have fun with this one guys
"I have smoked weed with alot of UFC champions" - Joe Rogan
"Você ta fudido. Se vai levar muita porrada, ta ligado?" - Anderson Silva
I don't really see the problem, here.
It’s an expression. Saying it to a woman doesn’t make it worse.
I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.
sad Tito needs Jenna to make himself relevant in the MMA picture
Enjoy the pinkslip buddy, it was a long time comin’
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People can bash dana all they want about his side antics but who really cares but the haters? Jenna should mind her own business and not fight her husbands battles…Tito is done after Bader KTFO anyways…Lets Move on people!
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Someone look at Twitter...Please
In regards to the video of Chuck “The Executive” which was hilarious.
TITO: “Funny video by @danawhite but horrible acting by @chuckliddell. Nice to see to I’m still relevant to them and the @ufc.”
DANA: “@titoortiz bro u r the last guy on earth that should be raggin on peoples acting skills. @ChuckLiddell” & “@titoortiz and the video was meant to play up the shit between u and chuck it was not a dig toward u at all.”
JENNA: “@danawhite your the last guy in the world that should be ragging on Tito not being liked. Um, you pay him a fortune”
DANA: “@jennajameson hey jenna SHUT THE FUCK UP and mind ur biz! @titoortiz put her on a fuckin leash!!!”
by Tommy Sands on Apr 28, 2011 1:55 PM EDT reply actions 5 recs
I’m not sure how buddy buddy Dana is with Tito and Jenna, but depending on thier relationship, this almost seems like fun back and forth.
If you can't wow them with brilliance, then baffle them with bullshit.
by DayGeaux on Apr 28, 2011 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Could be, actually.
"Ellismania is, along with the black President, a symbol of the future." - Mayhem Miller
Tweeter!
I thought this as well, but Dana and Jenna have a history of jarring with each other. Maybe their friendship involves public spats.
Twitter: @Mike_Fagan_13
bahahahaha! none of those definitions works for the context in which you used it. you meant “jawing”, unless you meant something other than “talking trash back and forth.”
this should be added to the article for context.
i think this changes the entire conversation we are having right now.
That was a real kick and good for laughs and lashings of the old ultraviolent.
by mistake4 on Apr 28, 2011 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Trying to rehabilitate Dana White's views on the fairer sex isn't worth my time
But maybe it should be worth the UFC’s time. This . . . is a problem for the UFC. Dana really does need to be reined in.
by Christopher Bradley on Apr 28, 2011 1:56 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Fertitta's should put him on a leash
tweet dana a smiley face when Shields gets the sub
by DL2kold on Apr 28, 2011 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
PS - That Exec video was kinda weak. I didnt care much for it anyway
That UFC Prime Time Series was Really good though!
"You either stand for something or fall for anything"
I'm more disappointed/surprised that Dana
left out “and muzzle that b****” part. If you put a dog on a leash, it can still keep the neighbors up with its annoying, incessant bark.
Sensitivity classes must be working on Dana…at a snail’s pace…but working nonetheless.
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for me
it’s not even the sexism, which is bad enough, but whatever.
the question is why is he getting into swear-filled twitter fights with ex-pornstars? the man runs a billion dollar company.
do you ever get the feeling that we’re through the looking glass sometimes? like our society has lost it’s mind? it’s like we’re at the latest, most decandent stages of the roman empire, right before it collapsed.
Partly subjective, but not completely
I think if peope can’t agree whether what Dana said was sexist or overly abusive, we should at least be able to agree that someone is his position should show more restraint and professionalism. Whether Jenna said something out of order or not is a little beside the point.
Dana is the main representative of this sport and for my part, I wish he was spending his time working out how he can get a show booked in the UK or Ireland instead of wasting his time on back and forth with someone who’s opinion shouldn’t even be considered.
By the way, for the most part, I think Dana has done a good job. Seriously though, speding so much time on twitter is a double edged sword.
Actually amazed Snowden didnt write on this
He alright?
by Cpt Mason on Apr 28, 2011 2:34 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Waste of post and time. Thanks BE.
I like to float.
by Mastertofue on Apr 28, 2011 2:38 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I'm sure they'll give you a refund of your readership fee.
Tatum: I think he's a good man. I like him. I got nothing against him, but I'm definitely gonna make orphans of his children.
by Dave Strummer on Apr 28, 2011 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I wish there was a legitimate way to block ad revenue for stuff like this. Unfortunately us CS types haven’t come up with anything legit yet.
by vile(nt)green on Apr 28, 2011 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Awful.
That man has no business near a microphone. He has no clue what to say and then just starts rambling about himself.
by vile(nt)green on Apr 28, 2011 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
It was pretty damn bad, yes. It was really pathetic how he was sucking up to Randy way too much and going on and on about how to beat Machida.
by Horselover Fat on Apr 29, 2011 7:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Not this shit again.
Articles like this make me want to stop coming to this fucking site. I stopped watching CNN and the other “major news networks” due to the constant influx of bullshit stories like this.
BREAKING NEWS! DANA’S GOT ISSUES WITH FEMALES!
No. Fucking. Way.
Now let’s tell him how terrible he should feel, everyone can whine for a week, nothing will change, and we’ll forget about it after Saturday until the next time it happens.
by vile(nt)green on Apr 28, 2011 2:40 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Comments like this..
…make me think that the bulk of MMA fans are mouth-breathing imbeciles, and question whether I’m a mouth-breathing imbecile since I’m passionate about the same sport that they are.
If this life be not a real fight, in which something is eternally gained for the universe by success, it is no better than a game of private theatricals from which one may withdraw at will. But it feels like a real fight. - William James
by Sabate on Apr 28, 2011 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
What good will this article do?
Please enlighten me as I’m a mouth-breathing imbecile. Tell me ONE THING this article will improve. Just one.
by vile(nt)green on Apr 28, 2011 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
“Tell me ONE THING this article will improve. Just one.”
What does this have to do with anything?
Twitter: @Mike_Fagan_13
by Mike Fagan on Apr 28, 2011 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
My original point is that this article was pointless.
Dana White’s opinion and treatment of women is well known. Want him to stop it? Clog up BE with a pathetic attempt at a hit-grabbing headline. Makes perfect sense.
by vile(nt)green on Apr 28, 2011 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t personally care whether Dana White stops or not. Every time he puts his foot in his mouth like this, I’ll make sure to put it on the site.
Twitter: @Mike_Fagan_13
by Mike Fagan on Apr 28, 2011 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
And your success in this backwards market-driven society will be guaranteed for years to come.
by vile(nt)green on Apr 28, 2011 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m not really sure what you’re even arguing here. If you’re concerned with things mattering or making a difference, why are you interested in MMA/professional sports at all?
Twitter: @Mike_Fagan_13
I'm a proponent of structure.
I like main-page-worthy articles to be on the main page, and everything else to be sequestered into the FanPost section. I’m not delusional enough to subscribe to a subjective definition of what matters, moreso venting my frustration that my (also subjective) definition of what defines a main-page-worthy article has been violated.
by vile(nt)green on Apr 28, 2011 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Then I guess you could change my previous statement from using “sequestered into the Fanpost section” to “judged with the discretion that a main contributor should have and omitted from the site”.
Then we could argue that I’m not one of the staffed contributors, yet I’m a fan with an opinion that should matter to the contributors since I help provide the ad revenue, and then that there are people other than me that find this article interesting and therefore provide said revenue and that if I don’t like it I should ignore said article, which would then lead me to complain again about it being on the front page, which starts us over at 1-1.
…but that’d be a waste of time, so let’s just call it a day, eh?
by vile(nt)green on Apr 28, 2011 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Well known treatment of women?!
Support your point for good or bad? This is why BE is a huge success covering MMA in all it’s aspects. Weather it is a TMZ type article to the in depth analytical pieces. And ya 500 comments make perfect sense.
By the same right, all the opinion pieces are worthless.
So is anything written about a dream fight, a proposed match-up, or anything other than straight fight recaps.
"Ellismania is, along with the black President, a symbol of the future." - Mayhem Miller
Tweeter!
That’s not the same right, at all. This is certainly a discussion board, so hypothetical articles are necessary, but plastering this garbage to the front page, AGAIN, for the 85th time, does nothing.
We’ll all continue to support the UFC and line Dana’s woman-hating pockets.
by vile(nt)green on Apr 28, 2011 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Hypothetical articles are no more necessary than this one.
Dana said something. It was reported for what it was – a very, very poor choice of words. Just because it’s happened before doesn’t mean it’s not worth pointing out.
"Ellismania is, along with the black President, a symbol of the future." - Mayhem Miller
Tweeter!
And that's where our opinions differ.
I don’t need to be told Donald Trump is an egomaniacal businessman over and over. I don’t need to be told Charlie Chaplain and George Carlin are dead. I don’t need to be told that the sun rises and sets. That said, I definitely don’t need to be reminded, especially on the FRONT PAGE, that Dana’s a he-man-woman-hater.
This is Fanpost fodder at best.
by vile(nt)green on Apr 28, 2011 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Good for you I guess. So you can just read it and move on. But if you think that your rant is gonna stop bloggers from reporting things that like it or not impact the world of MMA, then you are delusional.
Boys becoming men...Men becoming wolves
Devil's advocating!
“If Fagan thinks that his rant is gonna stop Dana from being Dana, he is delusional.”
"Ellismania is, along with the black President, a symbol of the future." - Mayhem Miller
Tweeter!
Hahaha.
Yeah, I had to say it.
"Ellismania is, along with the black President, a symbol of the future." - Mayhem Miller
Tweeter!
It’s not about stopping Dana to do anything, if you think Dana gives a fuck about what’s going on outside of twitter YOU ARE DELUSIONAL!
Boys becoming men...Men becoming wolves
Are you proposing a Twitter campaign?
What’s our hashtag gonna be?
"Ellismania is, along with the black President, a symbol of the future." - Mayhem Miller
Tweeter!
I’ll take the Marilyn Manson/pun way out and say #greatbigWhiteworld
by vile(nt)green on Apr 28, 2011 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions
If you don’t want to read the article then it’s simple to just not read it….and do you really think a single reader here finds your negative comment any more relevant to the conversation than Fagan’s article?
Hard not to read it when its emboldened on the front page.
Also, I find it hard to believe that any single reader finds anything related to this article, my comments included, to be useful.
Pointless shit will be posted, I’ll vent frustration every once in a while, nothing changes, and we all go on about our day.
by vile(nt)green on Apr 28, 2011 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I wasn’t trying to put you down at all but it seems a little funny to make a (possibly) pointless comment about a (possibly) pointless article. I read both and take issue with neither but doesn’t a rant comment about a rant article seem a little ironic?
It's what I do.
Don’t expect anything useful from me. I don’t write for this site, after all. :-)
by vile(nt)green on Apr 28, 2011 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm sure you CS types know where the "Page Down" key is.
"With gold thou boughtest Gýmir's daughter,
and so gavest away thy sword:
but when Muspell's sons through the dark forest ride,
thou, unhappy, wilt not have wherewith to fight."
~ Lokasenna
Yeah, but the general readership will click anyway.
That’s the problem I’d like to solve, but short of a sentient mechanical/digital bullshitometer I’m stumped.
by vile(nt)green on Apr 28, 2011 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
What business of yours (or mine) is the general readership?
"With gold thou boughtest Gýmir's daughter,
and so gavest away thy sword:
but when Muspell's sons through the dark forest ride,
thou, unhappy, wilt not have wherewith to fight."
~ Lokasenna
From a CS perspective, they’re the end-user. What’s your point?
by vile(nt)green on Apr 28, 2011 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions
(I was under the impression you were joking, and I was responding in that sense. Had no clue you were serious.)
by vile(nt)green on Apr 28, 2011 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe Dana would have been better off just cutting Tito. He could have tweeted something along the lines of “well I’m not paying him anymore, thanks to you” and that would have hurt her and not made the overly-sensitive label him as a sexist yet again.
That said, why does it always seem to be men whining about sexism, and white dudes complaining about racism?
by OmoPlata on Apr 28, 2011 2:49 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Many crustaceans can lose limbs at a pre-determined point and they will regenerate during the next molt cycle. Kind of like a breakaway point to help them deal with serious injury (could have been bitten on the claw by a bird or something and it wouldn’t heal on its own)
by OmoPlata on Apr 28, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I like to think he was just leaving an unsuspecting passerby a delicious snack to stumble upon.
by vile(nt)green on Apr 28, 2011 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Breaking one off
"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."
by TheFilt on Apr 28, 2011 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Notice
How the arm of the claw creepily follows him as he walks away…as if to say:
“wait…come back…”
I don't always hope for draft picks, but when I do, I prefer Owen Marecic.
by tito (eight and oh) on Apr 28, 2011 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
seriously...
people have really got to stop venting this stuff on twitter. what is the kicker is dana tells diaz he needs to play the game and diaz is just a fighter. dana,your the effing face of the company. you gotta show restraint dude.
i thought playing the “game” was also doing interviews, going to signings, and doing things for sponsors more than he does. i think actions are heavier than words. but i do understand where you are coming from.
PRIDE NEVER DIE!!!
by Jumbo Slice on Apr 29, 2011 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Society has deemed this sort of behavior inappropriate of a man of White’s stature…
A substantial portion of society would deem White’s comments inappropriate irrespective of his status. That doesn’t refute your point, but I think we need to consider this type of normalized language in MMA socially harmful, whether it comes from exec’s, fans, fighters, managers, etc.
You wanna talk about Dana being sexist?
So UFC will never have womens MMA why? Because they arent viewed as warriors or as deserving to represent the sport, they arent equal.
Thats far worse then telling Jenna Jameson to shut up
Also FAR worse was the Loretta Hunt situation.
by Papercut Elbow on Apr 28, 2011 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I laughed
I’m too concerned with it being funny to consider the sexism.
Like a normal person.
by The Burning Scheyer Jersey on Apr 28, 2011 3:24 PM EDT reply actions
They will NEVER have women fighters. They could have a ton of skilled women fighters it aint gonna happen
by Papercut Elbow on Apr 28, 2011 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I think you're wrong
If they feel they can have a strong women’s division that will generate money they will. Boxing is a good example aside Layla Ali there were not enough women that could really generate hype and sell PPV.
I'm with you on this one.
I think the primary reason the UFC doesn’t get involved in WMMA is because it’s not a big moneymaker.
"Ellismania is, along with the black President, a symbol of the future." - Mayhem Miller
Tweeter!
According to a list compiled by MMAweekly.com, two of the top 10 most viewed MMA events of all time were women’s fights CBS aired in 2008. Each event drew more than five million viewers.
by Papercut Elbow on Apr 28, 2011 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions
In fairness to the UFC though
Those involved Carano. The rest of the division is a commercial wasteland, and honestly the top level talent pool is really shallow. And that’s assuming the UFC could even sign Carano (not sure she’d be interested in the typical UFC contract).
"With gold thou boughtest Gýmir's daughter,
and so gavest away thy sword:
but when Muspell's sons through the dark forest ride,
thou, unhappy, wilt not have wherewith to fight."
~ Lokasenna
If they backed it they could definitely get some women in there
Zoila Frausto, Mesiha Tate, Sarah Kaufman are all marketable. Their fights are usually very good. Amanda Nunes is a good prospect.
by Papercut Elbow on Apr 28, 2011 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Know why those are in the top 10? cuz they were on CBS, a national network channel, which everyone who owns a TV has access to.
The two fights being referenced:
“6. EliteXC on CBS (5/31/2008): Gina Carano vs. Kaitlin Young— 5.508 million viewers (Aired from 10:09 PM to 10:17 PM)”
Know who else was on that card? Kimbo Slice. Plus it was the first time an MMA event aired in primetime on major American network television
“9. EliteXC on CBS (10/4/08): Gina Carano vs. Kelly Kobold— 5.171 million viewers (Aired from 9:45 PM to 9:59 PM)”
Know who else was on that card? Another shocker Kimbo Slice.
http://mmaweekly.com/top-20-most-watched-mma-fights-in-the-u-s-2
Just saying hes said he does not want women to fight at all. Not well let them build up some names and we can make money off of it.
Gina Carano brings in big numbers as is. Meisha Tate is marketable. If you back them youll see more women compete. Youll see more women go at it full time.
by Papercut Elbow on Apr 28, 2011 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Look at it
As a division. Why don’t we have 125lb division in the UFC? There are not enough fighters to build one. The women you mentioned are all in different divisions.
Here's a video of him saying Never to women in the UFC
by Papercut Elbow on Apr 28, 2011 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I could also post a video of him saying he'd never be seen at a Strikeforce show
Or that he’d never co-promote.
He says lots of things as if they are set in stone. They are not.
so? I hope women never ARE in the UFC. I hope they keep Strikeforce around simply so women can have a premier venue of their own. I, personally, have little interest in watching people who I can beat up, fight on tv for money.
I mean this in the most non-sexist way possible, but, for my money at least, women’s mma is a complete sideshow.
Gina Carano is on the top 10 MMA events of all time in terms of viewership
by Papercut Elbow on Apr 28, 2011 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions
ok
and it was a great fight with a great crowd. but you think all the WMMA fights will have that impact? a lot of the draw to gina is she is just so damn beautiful. what about all the other girls?
How much of that viewership was because of Gina?
Remember, that’s the Kimbo-card. And it was on free TV.
"Ellismania is, along with the black President, a symbol of the future." - Mayhem Miller
Tweeter!
Maybe theres some jealousy in these twitter battles... after all...
by Papercut Elbow on Apr 28, 2011 3:29 PM EDT reply actions 4 recs
How have I never seen this?
Xtreme Couture- The best never rest!
"I swear it upon Zeus an outstanding runner cannot be the equal of an average wrestler."
-Socrates
by ElliotMatheny on Apr 28, 2011 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions
With this I agree
Its all about a relationship we know nothing about. For all we know Tito came to complain to Dana about Jenna after the whole fiasco last year. These guys know each other personally for a long time.
CAN WE ADDRESS THE REAL STORY OF THE DAY PLEASE?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
What the fuck happened to the “sponsership” fanpost. That was one of the greatest things I’ve seen on here in a long time and now it’s gone. It’s all gone.
by Brandon Starr on Apr 28, 2011 3:31 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
…story of the week should have been the UFC officially requesting monitors for the judges @ 130. I had to check my underwear after reading that one.
Yeah, they need those damn monitors ASAP
by Papercut Elbow on Apr 28, 2011 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I didn't even read that. I must have spent too much time on the sponsership post lol
Amazing news though.
by Brandon Starr on Apr 28, 2011 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Come back Luke!
The site needs you to write some good articles.
Someone pick up the beard phone!
You gotta pay the troll toll, to get into this boy's soul.
twitter.com/JayAreW
by J_R_W on Apr 28, 2011 3:38 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
This is absolutely disgusting.....
and im not talking about Danas comment. The fact that you had to write about it is whats wrong with the world today. Whats a matter Mike? Havent been able to relive your hall monitor days so you need to do this?
You are pathetic and you make bloody elbow look bad with stuff like this.
by Dean Butler on Apr 28, 2011 3:45 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I thought bigotry, intolerance, greed and cruelty were what was wrong with the world.
But you’re welcome to your opinion. Your comment speaks volumes though.
"With gold thou boughtest Gýmir's daughter,
and so gavest away thy sword:
but when Muspell's sons through the dark forest ride,
thou, unhappy, wilt not have wherewith to fight."
~ Lokasenna
Everyone that left an idiotic and sexist message under this post – please consider this a warning.
by Jonathan Snowden on Apr 28, 2011 4:17 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Jenna is fair game and this wasn't sexist
She inserted herself into this debate. She deserves no special protection simply because she’s a woman (that would be sexist). The shots she’s been dealing out are just as bad if not worse than the leash quip. And you might say the same thing to a fighter who had a male manager running his mouth too much—it’s a common expression for “get your friend under control.”
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A wise man told me don't argue with fools
Cause people from a distance can't tell who is who -- Jay-Z
by thetakeover on Apr 28, 2011 4:50 PM EDT reply actions 5 recs
Here's some more of Jenna's tweets:
“Listen all you Chuck fans…I saw @danawhites post defending Chucks gut…it’s embarrassing, my opinion, take it for what its worth”
“at least Titos not Danas bitch.”
“Dana favors Chuck, always has… maybe he has a weiner to match his belly, and Dana may like it.hehehe”
“Maybe @DanaWhite will post a pic of Chucks weiner next… stay tuned!”
by drain on Apr 28, 2011 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
I won't lie
I have a hard time respecting either Jenna or Tito. Regardless of what either have done for their respective organizations “growth”.
Luke Thomas: If Pro Wrestling had a dick, you'd be the balls!
Kid Nate: ...
It was clear misogyny. You are out of your mind.
by Jonathan Snowden on Apr 28, 2011 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions
sophomoric
see my post below entitle “Douchefest 2011”
Exactly
It’s just as commonly used referring to men. Whether said to their girlfriend or to one of their buddies, it’s just saying they need to shut their damn mouth. Has nothing whatsoever to do with her being female.
"I am going to punch faces." --Wanderlei Silva
War Miller Bros.
by Jay Bittner on Apr 28, 2011 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You don’t really understand how language works if you think a word means the same thing to every group of people.
Twitter: @Mike_Fagan_13
I have a firm grasp on the English language.
And I respectfully disagree. I just provided several examples where it would be used on a male(even possibly being said to a female in reference to a male), and it has the EXACT same meaning — Shut them up/Calm them down/Cut the shit. I would guess that if you looked hard enough, you’d probably be able to find Dana White using the same phrase in reference to a man at some point. There was nothing sexist said, though there were homophobic remarks, and they were on Jenna’s part.
"I am going to punch faces." --Wanderlei Silva
War Miller Bros.
by Jay Bittner on Apr 28, 2011 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I could tell a white guy and a black guy to go hang from a tree, and it’s quite a bit more offensive to the black guy. I could tell a straight guy and a gay guy to go get AIDS, and it’s quite a bit more offensive to the gay guy.
If you feel like there’s no difference in the meaning depending on the target, I’d have to ask if you’re being intentionally obtuse.
Twitter: @Mike_Fagan_13
Mike...
AIDS is equally offensive to anyone. This isn’t 1980. It has an impact on all walks of life and I’d see it being equally offensive to anyone you said that to. The ‘hang from a tree’ part is correct and I agree with. What I am saying is that this is not one of those situations, as this has the same meaning in all the mentioned usages. In the ‘hang from a tree’ example, the meaning of the phrase changes. As someone stated elsewhere in the thread, it could just as easily be said to Jenna about Tito by someone in the porn industry and it would have the exact same meaning, nothing changes about it. It’sa fairly commonly used phrase for anyone of any sex that is out of line.
"I am going to punch faces." --Wanderlei Silva
War Miller Bros.
Jenna was acting like an attack dog
Hence, “put a leash on her.” That is what the phrase means. It has nothing to do with the subjugation of women.
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A wise man told me don't argue with fools
Cause people from a distance can't tell who is who -- Jay-Z
by thetakeover on Apr 28, 2011 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
That's what I thought it meant too. I didn't want to be the first to say it though in case it did not mean what I think it means.
by Brandon Starr on Apr 28, 2011 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
In fact the only time I can think of this used was in a movie....
a guy says to another guy after an altercation “why don’t you keep that dog on his fuckin leash” while referring to a guy who appeared to be some bodyguard that came to the aid of that first guy. So yeah, I always took the meaning to be referring to controlling “dogs” that are out of control, but had only ever seen it used while referring to a male.
I figured all the people commenting must know some sexist based history behind the phrase….
by Brandon Starr on Apr 28, 2011 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Nah
It ain’t sexist at all in my opinion. That’s exactly what it means, and I’ve mostly seen it used in reference to people almost getting in fights or who have drank too much and are showing it. It’s just saying tell your asshole friend/significant other to cut the shit and quiet down.
"I am going to punch faces." --Wanderlei Silva
War Miller Bros.
by Jay Bittner on Apr 28, 2011 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I mean, if "thetakeover" and I are correct about the meaning then....
there is no “in my opinion” about it. It would absolutely mean that it’s not sexist. Just seems like it took a long time for the conversation to get to this point of actually breaking down where the phrase comes from and what it means. I guess outrage is easier….?
by Brandon Starr on Apr 28, 2011 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I agree
"I am going to punch faces." --Wanderlei Silva
War Miller Bros.
“Put a lead on him Turkish, before he gets bitten. And you don’t want to get bitten, do you?”
That’s the gangster character in Snatch talking to Turkish’s buddy Tommy. I don’t think it’s sexism.
let me fix that for you...
"Put a lead on HER Turkish, before SHE gets bitten. And you don’t want to get bitten, now do you, sweetheart?"
Also before that Bricktop says when Tommy intergects, “Oh fuck me, your lady friend got a voice? And who might you be changin him to sweetheart?”
PRIDE NEVER DIE!!!
by Jumbo Slice on Apr 29, 2011 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Those are retarded examples to use as a counter-argument.
I expected more of BE. Well, maybe not Snowden… but everyone else.
(No offense.)
WE don't use the word "retarded" here
by Jonathan Snowden on Apr 28, 2011 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions
JESUS TITTY-F*CKING CHRIST
Thank you.
Thank you so much.
Luke Thomas: If Pro Wrestling had a dick, you'd be the balls!
Kid Nate: ...
Dana
None of this would’ve happened if you would just cut ties with Tito for good.
"If I had a dollar for every brain you don't have, I'd have one dollar." - Squidward Tentacles
by SSreporters on Apr 28, 2011 4:56 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
It’s not like the guy built the company Dana runs or anything…
by Jonathan Snowden on Apr 28, 2011 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions
If nothing else ...
… this comment thread confirms that we’re successfully reaching the 21-and-under unmarried male demographic.
by Beau Dure on Apr 28, 2011 5:29 PM EDT reply actions 7 recs
First of all, this is not sexist
Put on a leash can and has been said to people of both sexes about their partners. You’ve never heard a bartender/bouncer tell a woman to put their drunk significant other or even friend(male) on a leash? Or if there is a possible fight brewing, even a guy being told to put their also male friend on a leash? Stop being so sensitive, this isn’t even sexist. It’s saying that someone is out of line and needs to STFU. That said, it made my day.
"I am going to punch faces." --Wanderlei Silva
War Miller Bros.
by Jay Bittner on Apr 28, 2011 5:38 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
telling her to be placed on a leash is sexist.
it’s also absurd, because why put a leash on a woman when she should be in the kitchen?
by Victor Rodriguez on Apr 28, 2011 5:49 PM EDT reply actions 4 recs
Tie the leash to the stove IMO
Xtreme Couture- The best never rest!
"I swear it upon Zeus an outstanding runner cannot be the equal of an average wrestler."
-Socrates
by ElliotMatheny on Apr 28, 2011 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions
douchefest 2011
led by Mike Fagan.
I’m sorry, but I simply cannot take seriously the (self) righteous indignation of the same guy who made a vicious, snarky comment about Randy Couture’s marriages on his TWIQ article the other day. selective moral outrage here folks, come and get your tickets.
now I will concede that Dana’s remark could be construed as sexist, but with a little bit of thought, that possibility can be easily dismissed. for example, if Tito accompanied Jenna to some sort of adult film festival or awards show and started telling well-established porn producers what was what and how they should run things or who in the industry they need to show more respect, one of those guys may very well respond, “Hey Jenna, keep your boy here on a leash.” clearly this is not sexist/misandrist. it’s just another way of telling someone to bite his/her tongue and mind his/her business.
of course, interpretting it that way doesn’t afford Mike Fagan the opportunity to hyperventilate and seem all righteous. is Fagan married? to me, this post reeks of some guy who doesn’t get much attention from the girls in the audience trying to win their approval. I just don’t know what else his motivation would be, unless he actually is so dim that he considers Dana’s tweet to be genuinely misogynistic.
by lockflow33 on Apr 28, 2011 6:01 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Where is this “moral outrage” you speak of? Feel free to copy and paste anything I’ve said here.
Twitter: @Mike_Fagan_13
[lockflow33 copies and pastes Fagan’s entire article].
I’ll give you credit when and where it’s due, Mike, but I’m quickly becoming convinced that won’t be all that often. we seem to have a different worldview. and that’s fine.
Go ahead and post the individual parts of the article that are particularly full of “moral outrage.” I’m just interested in what specifically is causing this view from people.
Twitter: @Mike_Fagan_13
GROAN
are you being willfully dense?
“You’d think Dana White would learn. He was forced to apologize…”
clearly, this is said in a tone of disparagement and disapproval.
“It looked like Dana White had himself under control.”
same here.
“And now this:”
…and this…
“It won’t be so easy to scrub this from the history books.”
…hoping you get the picture…
“I’ll go ahead and be the voice of reason here. Yes, Dana White shouldn’t say these sorts of things in a public venue. Yes, images of female subjugation aren’t appropriate coming out of the mouth (or Blackberry keyboard) of the head of a professional sports organization. Yes, Dana White should apologize.”
and there we have it. the word that cannot help but show itself in any discussion of what is morally right or wrong: “SHOULD”. the word “should” appeals to established moral standards, which, according to you, Dana White violated. that being the case, his transgression was apparently ever so slightly outrageous enough for you to waste your time on the article. hence, “moral outrage”. I’m not suggesting you were frothing at the mouth and pounding your keyboard as you wrote the article, so don’t get it twisted. I’m simply saying you’re trying to lecture Dana White about what is and isn’t acceptable in society. the term usually reserved for this is “moral outrage”.
“he certainly has issues with women "
does he? either way, you certainly seem to be finger-wagging here. thanks dad.
“this is worthy of getting kicked out of all but the most depraved of friendly house parties. Society has deemed this sort of behavior inappropriate of a man of White’s stature and in the forum in which he let his voice be heard. This sort of thing has consequences.”
there, you said it yourself: “society has deemed…” Exactly: you’re appealing to a moral standard. although it is a bit curious that you say “…of a man of White’s stature…”, thereby tacitly suggesting that for people like you or me, it’s more acceptable. this directly on the heels of your appeal to morality. I think you’re confused about some things in your life.
“Trying to rehabilitate Dana White’s views on the fairer sex isn’t worth my time.”
you’re right, dad. although…couldn’t the term “fairer sex” be construed as misogynistic or sexist? I’m not saying it IS, I’m saying that according to (at the very least) many of the opinions on this forum, it could be. personally, I think that’s ridiculous, but going by the standards of those rushing to accuse Dana of inpropriety…
by lockflow33 on Apr 28, 2011 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Mike this is a troll banned twice already. Stop wasting your time…
by Jonathan Snowden on Apr 28, 2011 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I think everyone should keep in mind that Fagan isn't saying that this is some sort of huge outrageous thing....
Having said that, I think it’s a non-issue. I don’t want to presume to know his intent. Plus….. I just don’t think it’s a big deal regardless. There is a gay dude that hangs out with a group of my friends. One of my buddies goes “dude you’re such a fag sometimes” another straight friend of mine says “bro you can’t just throw fag around like that, it’s offensive” to which our gay buddy replies “to who? It’s not 1995; you can say fag and homo now as long as your not using it to hurt the feelings of a fag or a homo”.
Again, it’s been covered that no one person gets to be the authority on a specific group of people but I’ve gotten the impression recently that the majority of people think everybody needs to just lighten the fuck up and I tend to agree.
by Brandon Starr on Apr 28, 2011 6:28 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
Deadspin
Just copy-and-pasted this post.
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Cause people from a distance can't tell who is who -- Jay-Z
Two things to avoid:
Bloodyelbow commenters’ discussions on race and discussions on feminism. I should know this by now.
This is a pretty level headed piece Fagan.
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How have we gotten this far without a reference to Spinal Tap’s “Smell the Glove”?
Bunch of kids in here — seriously.
Unprofessional, yes. Big deal, no.
We know what to expect from Dana by now, so this isn’t suprising. We wouldn’t see the commisioner of the MLB or NFL engaged in profane twitter battles, but this is DW. Past that, who gives a shit if he told Jenna Jameson to shut the f up. Telling Tito to reign Jenna in is not the same as calling a female reporter a bitch for doing her job in a manner he disapproved of. Tito has made a career of running his mouth and Jenna made a career of fornicating on camera so it would take something far more egrergious than this to really cross the line with either of them in my opinion.
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Dana is aging quick
not always will those who dumps on you be your enemies
and not always will those who take you out of shit be your friends
Women in 2011 America don't need special protections
They need a consistently promoted and stacked weight division within the UFC.
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"The fight is won or lost far away from witnesses - behind the lines, in the gym, and out there on the road, long before I dance under those lights."
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"If MMA is like dog fighting, those are some pretty fucking smart dogs."
"I don’t want to lick any butt."
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There is no problem with what he said.
This will not affect the sport negatively.
I fucking LOVE the fact that Dana acts like a normal guy even though he runs the UFC.
What is this country coming to when a gentleman can’t tell a video prostitute to shut the fuck up? OHHH BUT WHAT ABOUT THE CHILDREN!???!?!?
a lot of people think
“normal guys” use the word fagot and bitch repeatedly, and go around farting in peoples’ faces, they think “normal” is what they watch in comedy shows such as South Park, among other things, because, well, ‘that’s just what guys do’. they think shows such as those correctly represents society, that line of logic never seizes to amaze me.
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