Diego Sanchez Faces Matt Hughes in the Fall
by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 28, 2011 11:13 AM EDT
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Diego Sanchez has been clamoring for a big fight and in the past has talked about wanting to face Matt Hughes. He'll get his wish this fall. Via UFC.com:
"A matchup between two welterweight fan favorites has been verbally agreed to as Diego 'The Dream' Sanchez will face former UFC welterweight champion and Hall of Famer Matt Hughes," said UFC President Dana White. "Sanchez is coming off of a Fight of Night winning performance against Martin Kampmann and Hughes is looking to add another great victory to his incredible UFC career."
Since dropping two fights in a row, Diego is on a two fight win streak with victories over Paulo Thiago and Martin Kampmann. Both of those fights won Fight of the Night. Hughes had his three fight win streak snapped by the powerful punches of B.J. Penn, dropping their rubber match in just 21 seconds.
It is unusual to see the UFC go with a match-up of a guy on a win streak against a guy coming off a bad loss, but the UFC could use some more fights between "recognizable names" over the late summer/fall period and this fits the bill.
Diego "The Dream" Sanchez (23-4) [Num. 9]
Win Martin Kampmann - Decision (Unanimous) UFC Versus 3
Win Paulo Thiago - Decision (Unanimous) UFC 121
Loss John Hathaway - Decision (Unanimous) UFC 114
Matt Hughes (45-8) [Num. 12]
Loss B.J. Penn - KO (Punches) UFC 123
Win Ricardo Almeida - Technical Submission (Anaconda Choke) UFC 117
Win Renzo Gracie - TKO (Punches) UFC 112
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Good Match
It’s kind of amazing. There were so many young guns begging to face Matt Hughes. He finally agrees to face Diego Sanchez.
Good news, Hughes better be prepared for Sanchez’s non-stop pressure.
I tend to be biased towards strikers . . . exciting strikers.
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by DayGeaux on Apr 28, 2011 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
I guess this means Royce def isnt fighting Hughes in RIO
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I’m hoping he’s fighting Dan Severn. Love to see his winning streak continue against Royce
Sheeeeeeeee-it
i was kinda hoping he wouldn't fight at all.
although my mind might change if he faces Sakuraba.
by Victor Rodriguez on Apr 28, 2011 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I can’t think of any other opponents for Hughes like Serra and Penn who are a part of that old guard. Diego Sanchez at least is a name opponent, and it is a winnable fight for Hughes if he can take this fight to the ground and get top control. I have Diego winning this, but my guess is that Diego is the biggest name and winnable for Hughes, unlike someone like Koscheck or Fitch who are better wrestlers and fighters than him.
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by chrisbboy82 on Apr 28, 2011 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Hughes is gonna get lit up.
Let the fighters fight, let the referees ref, but dear God, don't let the judges judge.
and the relevancy of this outcome would be....?
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by Sterling Archer on Apr 28, 2011 11:19 AM EDT reply actions
Beating Kampmann and Hughes back-to-back would be huge for Diego. He’d then be one win away from fighting for the title, IMO. Granted, that one other win would have to be against a Fitch/Alves/Shields/Koscheck, but he’d have a shot against them.
I forgot his Paulo Thiago win too… Thiago-Kampmann-Hughes back to back is a better string of wins than most of the WW title challengers we’ve seen recently. With that said, I’d still want him to win another big fight after Hughes.
But after Shields,...
…who else? You have to find someone to fight GSP.
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Sure, but he’s stuck in SF for the next two years, no point in bringing up his name in this discussion. After GSP’s fought Shields, he needs another 2 or 3 guys to beat before we even see Diaz fight him. Those 2-3 guys pretty much has to come from these guys: Condit/Fitch/Diego/Rumble/Alves/BJ/Stun Gun.
Reports are Nick and Dana are having some serious talks to dissuade him from boxing
by Papercut Elbow on Apr 28, 2011 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Sure, but he’s still going to be fighting for Strikeforce for the next two years. Only want he fights GSP in the next two years is if the UFC sends GSP over to fight on Showtime/CBS, and that’s very very very unlikely to happen. I could see them sending someone over there to appease Nick though, maybe Koscheck, but no way they send GSP.
dana and diaz are meeting
directly after the fight this weekend to discuss what dana can do to make diaz happy. dont be surprised when diaz gets moved over from strikeforce, im fairly certain its coming.
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by Sterling Archer on Apr 29, 2011 8:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Hopefully Condit
But then I wouldn’t know who to root for.
Let the fighters fight, let the referees ref, but dear God, don't let the judges judge.
Realistically, that's not going to happen.
Working with what’s actually available – Diego is one of the few “acceptable” options.
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I’d like to see Nick Diaz fight the Marquardt / Johnson winner. I still think AJ is the most interesting next possible contender – He isn’t nearly as well rounded as GSP, but he’s brutally KO’d enough dudes dead cold for me to think he might have some kind of chance.
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by mburtoni on Apr 28, 2011 11:48 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Because
GSP will vacate the title to fight Silva you mean
by silent.bisonte33 on Apr 28, 2011 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
You probably were one of the guys who thought Koscheck was going to walk away with it to.
I see the same thing happening, GSP keeping range and picking apart Jake on the feet.
There is a chance, and it is only slightly better than Koschecks
Sheeeeeeeee-it
You probably were one of the guys who thought Koscheck was going to walk away with it to
No actually. It was pretty obvious Kos was going to try and go for the KO w/ the right hand he fell in love with, so figured GSP would use the reach to keep it a distance. Bad gameplan on Kos’s part. The thing is Jake is super persistant at getting the fight down and once down he’s really good at getting on top
Oh, totally.
At least it would be something fresh.
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If Diego wins against Hughes, I say put him up against the winner of Condit/Stun Gun (hopefully Condit). A Condit/Diego fight would be incredible, and the winner would have a good case for a title shot.
I think Condit will have a good case without Diego
if he beats Stun Gun, he will be on a nice little streak, and as noted, there aren’t a lot of other good options at WW.
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by Dave Strummer on Apr 28, 2011 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Sure, of the two, I’d give the nod to Condit. Ellenberger, Rory MacDonald, Hardy and then Hyun Kim is a nice little streak, and if Fitch isn’t available, Condit might be the best option. Ideally, after thinking about it a little while, I’d like to see Condit fight Fitch while GSP keeps himself busy fighting someone not named Silva at MW. When GSP comes back, he has Condit or Fitch waiting for him.
He's not going up to mw
he just isn’t
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by SentientAndroid on Apr 28, 2011 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, beating three guys considered top 10 WW’s at one point or another in Thiago-Kampmann-Hughes would bring Diego that much closer to the title. That’s a better string of victories than guys like Hardy, Koscheck, Alves and Fitch had when they faced GSP for the title.
you're right about Hardy
but Fitch and Kos deserved their shots. Keep in mind Diego was getting trucked by Thiago before flipping his lid in the second round. And sorry but Diego’s fight with Kampmann was hardly a win. Finally, he hasn’t beat Hughes yet and I don’t think he ever will. maybe I just don’t like Sanchez…I dunno.
So he was losing to Thiago
But he won. I don’t get your argument here.
He won the fight with Thiago. He lost the first round. So what? His victory doesn’t count? I don’t get it.
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I think the argument is that while Diego’s good, he’s not good enough for a GSP fight. But that’s really less a factor of Diego “sucking” and more a factor of GSP just being that much better.
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That's fine
But that’s not what POW said. And it certainly doesn’t relate to some silly argument that his victory over Paulo Thiago doesn’t mean anything because he lost the first round.
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You're right.
I just took the idea of “not deserving a title shot” a different way.
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Title shots are arbitrary at best
The reality is that not all title shots are going to be created equal and in a division with a dominant champ some fights just aren’t going to be as compelling. It’s inevitable.
At least if it’s someone like Diego Sanchez it should be entertaining.
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Yeah, for sure.
I agree with that – sometimes, you’re going to have guys who have no real shot against the champ, but they’re the best available contender.
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This whole debate
about whether Sanchez is worthy to fight GSP is exactly one of the reasons GSP has to move up. There’s no one left for him to fight at WW.
by Pantherhare on Apr 28, 2011 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
GSP doesn't have to do anything
GSP has to keep fighting and keep cashing in on his popularity. There are plenty of guys at WW who would love to fight GSP and I’m sure there is plenty of money to be made on those fights.
This idea that GSP HAS to move up is just stupid.
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This whole debate about whether Sanchez is worthy to fight GSP is exactly one of the reasons GSP has to move up.
Has to move up according to whom?
For the fans – probably. Not many people are interested in seeing him continually trouncing the same opponents.
For GSP – why bother? It’s not his fault no one else can keep up.
For the UFC brass – as long as they’re still making money having GSP fight at 170, I don’t really think they care either.
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Call it the Dan Hardy effect
In an idea world, Swick beats Hardy and gets a shot and probably has a slightly better claim and then you can sell the whole AKA vs GSP thing. But Hardy won, GSP still needed a fight and that was probably the best of a bunch of bad options.
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What makes someone good then?
I mean really, that’s really insulting to Thiago, Kampman and Hughes and what more do you have to do to be considered good? Beat Fitch, Koschek and Alves?
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yes
he would have to beat fitch, kos or alves to be anywhere near a title shot
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by Sterling Archer on Apr 29, 2011 8:08 AM EDT up reply actions
this was pretty inevitable once Dana White declared that he thought Sanchez really won the Kampmann fight. They want to rebuild Sanchez into a title contender and he wouldn’t stand much of a chance against anyone else at the top of the 170lb division.
Getting bent out of shape over a fight promoter lying is like getting upset that a hooker won't kiss you. It betrays a deep lack of understanding of the nature of the profession.
Rebuilding Sanchez as a title contender? If that’s what Dana is thinking, he’s slipping.
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by Leland Roling on Apr 28, 2011 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
To lull us to sleep. This fight is uninteresting. In fact, many of the fights that Joe Silva is putting together are boring.
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by Leland Roling on Apr 28, 2011 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Hughes is still competitive enough to make this fight very interesting.
I tend to be biased towards strikers . . . exciting strikers.
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by VeeisAnimated on Apr 28, 2011 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
I agree. I think it’ll be very competitive.
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by DayGeaux on Apr 28, 2011 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I’m not interested. If Sanchez wins, whip-dee-doo. Hughes winning only continues the crazy idea that he’s still relevant. In my mind, both Sanchez and Hughes are guys that just don’t have the chops to ever make it back to the top of the heap.
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by Leland Roling on Apr 28, 2011 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Chicken salad out of chicken shit.
Of course they dont… that’s why pairing them makes the most sense…
If you can take two non-relevant fighters and create a relevant fighter (or at least the impression of one) by matching them up, you’d be a fool not to do it.
Getting bent out of shape over a fight promoter lying is like getting upset that a hooker won't kiss you. It betrays a deep lack of understanding of the nature of the profession.
I just don’t see it creating a relevant fighter. Maybe a perceived relevant fighter, but I’m not buying that lame argument.
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by Leland Roling on Apr 28, 2011 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
“Diego has beaten Matt Hughes. Matt-freaking-Hughes! He beat GSP once, y’know! So yeah, Diego definitely has the skills to face GSP.”
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Queue the five-round circle jab fest.
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by Leland Roling on Apr 28, 2011 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
queue the 750k buy rate!
Getting bent out of shape over a fight promoter lying is like getting upset that a hooker won't kiss you. It betrays a deep lack of understanding of the nature of the profession.
I’m not talking about the business side here, my friend. I stated that below. You’re missing the boat on the topic.
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by Leland Roling on Apr 28, 2011 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Ah, I took your “Dana White is slipping” comment to mean you thought this was a bad decision, not simply a decision you personally disagree with.
I also get frustrated when businesses make decisions based on their profitability rather than my personal tastes. Ronald McDonald is slipping because I want my goddamn McRibb!
Getting bent out of shape over a fight promoter lying is like getting upset that a hooker won't kiss you. It betrays a deep lack of understanding of the nature of the profession.
It isn’t a bad decision in terms of business.
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by Leland Roling on Apr 28, 2011 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
They’ll show footage of Diego’s slam on Thiago, maybe a few of his flurries against Kampmann, all while conveniently not showing how his face looked after the Kampmann fight.
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I don’t see the problem. Advancing yourself by beating a name guy has been the M.O. in the UFC for years. JDS did it against Cro Cop, Cain did it against Big Nog, etc, etc. It’s all about fighting names in the UFC.
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by Leland Roling on Apr 28, 2011 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
So?
You don’t want to ever see either of these guys fight ever again?
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by RolloTomasi on Apr 28, 2011 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I probably wouldn’t miss Diego Sanchez. Just my two cents.
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by Leland Roling on Apr 28, 2011 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Kind of agree with you there.
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by Neil Manich on Apr 28, 2011 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
The screaming slams,
YES! Cartwheels, and the high paced scrambling are fun, but I now and forever will hate him for Leonard Garcia’ing a decision away from Kampmann.
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by ElliotMatheny on Apr 28, 2011 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Glass shins
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by ElliotMatheny on Apr 28, 2011 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Eww, man.
ew.
This is why we kick the bag as hard as we can. Cause my shin has to be harder than yours.
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Instep sleeves help too.
Although they’re slippery as hell with the decals in the octagon, and they won’t really protect your shins much, they do provide a measure of support for the weakest part of your kicking area.
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by ElliotMatheny on Apr 28, 2011 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Another gruesome one.
It’s always that same spot, too.
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by ElliotMatheny on Apr 29, 2011 5:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Far from picture perfect
which is probably why he didn’t go out.
He caught him with the top the foot and ankle, terrible weapons in the first place. He also doesn’t turn the kick over at all. His knee is almost vertical, it should be rotated about 90 degrees. It also appeared like he didn’t chamber the kick or flex the hip fully.
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Well,
you don’t chamber a Thai or Dutch style round kick, but you’re absolutely right about all the other stuff.
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by ElliotMatheny on Apr 28, 2011 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Indeed
I like karate style kicks, myself.
You don’t over commit and you can still get good power and great speed.
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Chambered kicks can be good.
I think you should be able to do both; I think there are times to go for speed, and when to go for power, and I think alot of it is dependent on the opponent.
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by ElliotMatheny on Apr 28, 2011 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions
He's not a boring fighter,
and I actually really enjoyed the Kampmann fight. It just sucks that the decision left such a bad aftertaste.
I’m not a huge fan of Diego as a fighter, but he’s had several fun fights. The Koscheck and Fitch fights were boring as shit, as was his fight with Joe Daddy. Watching Penn, Hathaway, and Kampmann beat on him was pretty fun, I guess.
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by ElliotMatheny on Apr 28, 2011 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions
The Hathaway fight was a snoozer.
If Diego gets positionally dominated it’s boring, but that’s true of everyfighter.
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I don't know, man-
I personally can never get tired of watching this
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by ElliotMatheny on Apr 28, 2011 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions
One knee
does not a fight make.
The rest of it was Hath on top controling Diego.
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Oh, I know.
But any time the action stalled at all, I just thought about that knee and everything was good again.
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by ElliotMatheny on Apr 28, 2011 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, the great thing about putting the two together is that it eliminates one from title contention. Even if Hughes wins, he’ll never get another shot at GSP, we all know that. If Diego wins, he’s at least one more big win away from a title shot. The problem for him is that this big win will have to be against Fitch, BJ Penn, Condit, etc. And if Diego wins that fight, he deserves his shot.
Dude do you KNOW for a fact that if Sanchez wins he gets a shitle tot? No!
This is probably what Dana means when he says that he gets on these sites and just laughs at the bloggers trying to figure out or thinking they know what the UFC’s next moves are. Nobody knows! This is a fight. Where in the hell did anyone say this is a #1 contenders match?
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by xFenixKnightx on Apr 28, 2011 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
But isn't that the whole point of discussion boards/comments sections?
Discussion and speculation.
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Of course
But its like if Leland KNOWS its going to happen and everyone is getting their panties in a bunch. lol Just enjoy the fight, this is gonna be a good one. IMO UFC is trying to set up a Penn Diego 2 but at 170lbs.
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by xFenixKnightx on Apr 28, 2011 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Coming off of a fight of the year “victory” and second consecutive top-10 win, it’s just enough for someone who has yet to be destroyed by GSP at 170.
Getting bent out of shape over a fight promoter lying is like getting upset that a hooker won't kiss you. It betrays a deep lack of understanding of the nature of the profession.
It’s just enough for him to get the nod to get destroyed by GSP. I’ll buy that, but it’s not compelling at all.
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by Leland Roling on Apr 28, 2011 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Any suggestions? You’d be surprised how hard Silva’s job is when you factor in injuries, rankings and which fighters are busy…
by Aggressor666 on Apr 28, 2011 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, start bringing in some prospects and helping some of these older guys exit the sport.
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by Leland Roling on Apr 28, 2011 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Then we’re stuck watching a bunch of under developed fighters in the octagon… If you’re looking for Strikeforce, go to Strikeforce.
by Aggressor666 on Apr 28, 2011 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
You obviously haven’t seen some of the prospects out there. There are quite a few that could wax some of the middle-echelon talent and infuse the division with some freshness.
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by Leland Roling on Apr 28, 2011 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I agree,
there are some amazing prospects out there… but on the whole we’d be dealing with the T-Wood’s, the Mike Russow’s and the Roger Gracie’s…
by Aggressor666 on Apr 28, 2011 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Heh, no. Not even close.
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by Leland Roling on Apr 28, 2011 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Think about how "deep" the FW and BW Divisions are...
Would you say that’s because of all the veterns hanging around or the vast array of prospects?
by Aggressor666 on Apr 28, 2011 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
The FW and BW divisions will be very deep in two years, mainly because it now have the money at the top to entice guys to move down or fight in the weight class. And FW and BW aren’t considered deep right now by any stretch of the imagination.
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by Leland Roling on Apr 28, 2011 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
And that's my point...
Yes, I’d rather the prospects get a chance to build their names up, but at what cost? I know you aren’t talking about business here, but if we don’t; then we talk about fantasy match-ups and those really have no bearing on anything until they materialize. Everything is about business… And for the UFC to remain at the top of the heap, they need matches that will sell PPV’s. End of story. And if we got rid of some of the old foags hanging around, then it just opens up more room for idiot’s to proclaim how prospects aren’t ready for the level of competition they’re facing… (ie: Davis vs. Evans.)
by Aggressor666 on Apr 28, 2011 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
It’s a bit silly to try to ignore the business side when talking about matchmaking… it’s like talking about the NFL trades and ignoring the fact that some team doesn’t have the payroll space to bring in a marquee player.
Getting bent out of shape over a fight promoter lying is like getting upset that a hooker won't kiss you. It betrays a deep lack of understanding of the nature of the profession.
prospects can also let you down
think of dunham/oliviera.
it’s easy to project on some kid with a 8-0 record. a guy like diego sanchez has fought and beaten some tough tough dudes.
OK
I’m with you up to a point.
I definitely would like to see a little fresh blood in the UFC and fewer TUF-alumni and former champions hanging around and headlining fights. The Griffin/Franklin fight was an absurd example of this. As much as I like those two guys it’s crazy to think of either one of them in the ring with Jon Jones.
Having said that, I still see this as a good fight, even if the winner is not suddenly a title contender. Remember, people like Jones and GSP will be a heavy favourite against anyone but he has to fight someone.
So which prospects are you specifically referring to? I am honestly asking.
Fair enough. I’m just tired of seeing the same ol’ names in the mix.
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by Leland Roling on Apr 28, 2011 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, the same ol’ names keep winning fights… Prospects have had their shots at Koscheck and Fitch over the years, and only Paulo Thiago took advantage of his chance against Kos (only to blow it afterwards to Kampmann and then Sanchez).
I could probably argue against this point tenaciously, but I’m lazy today. Maybe I’ll make an article out of it.
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by Leland Roling on Apr 28, 2011 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
thanks
but honestly, are there any particular 170ers that jump to mind? i know you guys did that big list a while ago but i’m curious if any of them stand out.
Except I disagree with it. I don’t think Strikeforce matters at all.
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by Leland Roling on Apr 28, 2011 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions
For now… but still uninteresting to watch.
by Aggressor666 on Apr 28, 2011 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Well at least Joe Silva puts together fights, unlike certain promotions that can’t even book bouts for their champions.
by MMABookworm on Apr 28, 2011 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
The ones Joe and team are also booking fights for?
by Jonathan Snowden on Apr 28, 2011 1:31 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Huh?
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by MMArazorback on Apr 28, 2011 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions
If he wins this fight he’s getting a title shot. You can bet on that.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 28, 2011 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Boring. That fight will have less heat than GSP vs. Shields.
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by Leland Roling on Apr 28, 2011 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
No way, people know and like Diego. No one knows or likes Shields.
It’d sell just fine.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 28, 2011 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m not talking about selling. I’m talking about the relevant interest in the match-up on paper. Sure, the fight would sell, the UFC would be happy about it. But I’m not buying that the fight would be that interesting to fans. It’d be a run of the mill crushing.
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by Leland Roling on Apr 28, 2011 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh…yeah.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 28, 2011 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
I guess I’m just getting tired of these types of match-ups. UFC 129 is unappealing to me because of that. Hence why I’m hoping for shocking upsets.
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by Leland Roling on Apr 28, 2011 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
marketing to hardcore fans who actually know which fighters are legit and which are not has proven to be a very poor business strategy.
Getting bent out of shape over a fight promoter lying is like getting upset that a hooker won't kiss you. It betrays a deep lack of understanding of the nature of the profession.
Seriously? You aren’t talking to a moronic casual fan here. I understand that. I was merely stating my opinion regarding the match-up.
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by Leland Roling on Apr 28, 2011 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
no no, i agree completely… i just think it’d be a bit naive for anyone to expect anything different.
Getting bent out of shape over a fight promoter lying is like getting upset that a hooker won't kiss you. It betrays a deep lack of understanding of the nature of the profession.
I don’t expect anything different, which is why I’m losing interest in many of these fights.
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by Leland Roling on Apr 28, 2011 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
honestly, who is an ideal opponent for GSP if he beats Jake?
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by F'n Clownshoes on Apr 28, 2011 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Anderson Silva
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by tito (eight and oh) on Apr 28, 2011 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
i feel that the only way that fight is “fair” is at a catch weight (unless they make the catch weight fight 5 rounds, what’s the point). IMHO, if GSP fights Silva at 185 he loses. if he loses he’s screwed. he has stated many time on how going up a whole weight class would be a permanent move based on his theories on weight cutting and his fears on trying to get back down once he fight at a higher weight. then what? a second or third best fighter in an unnatural weight class means losing big money for himself and Zuffa. if he does manage to safely and happily get back to 170 we start the whole cycle all over again. he dominates and we wish someone is good enough to face him at his weight class. so, i ask you, who is a viable option for him to fight at 170?
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by F'n Clownshoes on Apr 28, 2011 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions
The reality is, nobody we haven't seen before...
The rightful number one contender at 170 is the winner of Penn v Fitch…if Penn wins, nobody wants to see him against GSP again. If Fitch wins, there might be a market for that…but who knows.
Unless Dana yanks Diaz from Strikeforce, your question really can’t be answered with anyone worthy at this point…therefore the most logical response is “Move up GSP.”
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by tito (eight and oh) on Apr 28, 2011 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m going to assume the UFC pushes for the super fight at that point.
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by Leland Roling on Apr 28, 2011 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions
check my response above^
i really am curious on your thoughts about this. i always find myself nodding when i read what you say.
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by F'n Clownshoes on Apr 28, 2011 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions
From some of the things I’ve read, GSP did say he would fight at 185 if he had 6 to 9 months to bulk up. I doubt the UFC wants to wait that long. So, a catchweight makes sense.
I do think scrappy guys like Story and Pierce could offer some challenges down the road. Ben Askren is a guy who would offer a challenge as well, although he’s in Bellator contract hell at the moment.
Assuming he beats Shields, I don’t see many options at all. The prospect pool at WW is a bit stale, mainly because some guys outside the UFC have had setbacks or are progressing at their own pace.
Silva makes the most sense, but the terms of the fight are tough to iron out. I think a catchweight is better in terms of a quicker timeline. But perhaps GSP makes the changes to bulk up and beats Silva, then takes his place at 185 instead of 170.
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by Leland Roling on Apr 28, 2011 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
so sensitive today.
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by MMArazorback on Apr 28, 2011 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I know and like Shields.
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by RolloTomasi on Apr 28, 2011 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I hate it, but this is probably the truth.
by MMABookworm on Apr 28, 2011 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Why do people dislike him? The guy goes out theres and puts on GREAT memorable fights!
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by xFenixKnightx on Apr 28, 2011 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
I love Diego
mainly because of his heart. Dude is not nearly as skilled as the competition he’s beaten, but he’s willing to put it out there everytime regardless of his deficiencies
by Str8_right on Apr 28, 2011 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Word
That dude gets me HYPED every time he fights win or lose it doesn’t matter. Even his staredowns/walkins/weigh-ins get me hyped. How could you hate him?
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by xFenixKnightx on Apr 28, 2011 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t mind Diego. I don’t think people dislike him because of the way he fights. No one can deny that the man is a beast. I think people dislike him because he’s a bit weird. The whole Toney Robbins thing gets old.
If you can't wow them with brilliance, then baffle them with bullshit.
I'm indifferent towards Diego.
He’s a solid fighter and fun to watch, I just don’t really care to see him fight GSP.
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If Diego beats Paulo Thiago, Kampmann, Hughes and say Condit, he’s still not worthy of fighting GSP? What if he beats Alves instead of Condit?
I didn't say he's not worthy.
I just said that I wouldn’t be thrilled about watching it. Unless Diego improves by huge leaps and bounds, I don’t see it being terribly competitive.
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Mike Pierce vs. Diego Sanchez please. That’ll prove it to me. Because Pierce will maul the shit out of Sanchez badly.
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by Leland Roling on Apr 28, 2011 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Maybe.
But would that leave you in a better situation as far as finding credible challengers for GSP, though? Diego would be Pierce’s only win against a guy remotely close to a top 10 ranking. Say you do that fight and Pierce wins, now what? You’ve built up Pierce a little more, sure, but you’ve pretty much lost Diego forever. Pierce is still a win or two away from even being ‘in the mix’. And if Diego beats Pierce, that’s not a big enough win to vault him to the top of the list of challengers for GSP. That’s pretty close to a lose-lose situation for the GSP, IMO.
At least now, if Sanchez wins against Hughes, he’s one good win away from being a somewhat credible challenger. Of course, if Hughes wins, you’re also back to square one.
I think it does. I’d rather have guys like Story and Pierce in the mix.
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by Leland Roling on Apr 28, 2011 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions
i would add Ellenberger if he gets another shot at top comp.
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by F'n Clownshoes on Apr 28, 2011 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, to be ‘in the mix’, you have to fight someone else already ‘in the mix’. That’s something both of those guys haven’t been able to do so far. Story is getting closer and closer with his wins over Hendricks, Hazelett and Foster, but Pierce’s claim to fame right now is having a good last round against Fitch. You can hate Sanchez all you want, but with wins over Paulo Thiago, Kampmann and possibly/likely Hughes, he’s much more deserving of being ‘in the mix’ than the two guys you mentionned.
I guess if Diego wins, it gives him another “name” win, his 3rd in a row, and gets him closer to a title shot.
I think Diego takes this easily, as the only thing that Hughes can do better is wrestle, but Diego is impossibly hard to hold down.
That said, I’d love to see Hughes shock people and score the upset
how many 155 wins did Diego need for a title shot
he is already in the top 10 with his bogus win over kampmann, they are going to set him up for a gsp mauling if he can beat hughes.
Any top 10 ww on a victory streak with a win over an ex champ like hughes = title shot
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by The Blackula on Apr 28, 2011 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Interesting matchup...don't know what to say about this one...
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Royce Gracie is gonna be pissed
looks like Royces chance of fighting are all but over cant think of anyone under the UFC banner who he could fight
didnt dana say this isnt happening?
no royce, not happening? thought i read that somewhere, like a day or so after snowdens article about why he shouldnt
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by Sterling Archer on Apr 28, 2011 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Check this out
Nothing definitive but at least he’s not ruling it out either.
http://www.mmafighting.com/2011/04/27/dana-white-talks-ufc-129-now-open-to-royce-gracie-return/
by DreamingOfFighting on Apr 28, 2011 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Hughes!
I hope he chokes Sanchez out
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by Noah'sArk on Apr 28, 2011 11:24 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
On the next episode of "BJ Penn Kicked My Ass and I'm Looking to Rebound..."
by Gideon Jay on Apr 28, 2011 11:29 AM EDT reply actions 16 recs
Green this suckers....
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by SSreporters on Apr 28, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
rec rec rec rec rec
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by Anthony Pace on Apr 29, 2011 4:12 AM EDT up reply actions
I like it!
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by tito (eight and oh) on Apr 28, 2011 11:32 AM EDT reply actions
Great fight – but can anyone tell me why BloodyElbow has obnoxious auto-playing Lysol video ads running?
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We don’t sell the ads, nor do we really have any control over what ads are put on the site. i don’t have any auto-playing ads because I use ad-block
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 28, 2011 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
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Conducting an experiment on knocking people out in particular ways would be unethical.
So only 2 Diego fights this year?
Booooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!
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lol True but
He’s tweeted pics recently and is looking good actually. And he got an Abdoer!!!! =P
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by xFenixKnightx on Apr 28, 2011 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
So who are they hoping wins this?
Please God tell me they aren’t trying to give Deigo Sanchez a title push.
If they are they're stupid
If GSP wins and he stays at WW to fight Sanchez it would be the least competitive title fight since…..GSP’s last title fight.
Now if GSP goes up in weight post-Shields then I can see a case for Sanchez vs. Whomever for a vacant belt or even Sanchez vs. Shields.
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by SSreporters on Apr 28, 2011 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Of course it would be a non-competitive title fight. But who else is there? The only two top-10 WWs that you can throw in against GSP right now are Condit and Sanchez.
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To be honest, I’d rather see Fitch get his 2nd chance at GSP before Condit and Sanchez get in there. Those two guys just haven’t won against anyone good enough to make me thing they have a better chance at beating GSP than Fitch does.
I would too.
But right now, Fitch is injured, and even if he wasn’t injured, he’s coming off a draw. He needs at least one more win before I’d consider him available.
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Well, GSP will take a few months off after his fight with Shields, giving time to Fitch to heal up. In the meantime, Condit is busy with Stun Gun, and Sanchez with Hughes in the fall. By the time all of that is done, we should have a better idea of who’s ready to go and challenge GSP. I’m hoping Condit beats Stun Gun, and then fights Fitch to see who deserves the next shot at GSP. That’d be my ideal scenario.
I would be 100% okay with that.
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Only problem with that scenario is that GSP might be ready to fight again before Condit/Fitch can happen… And I’m not a fan of giving gimme fights to title holders to keep them warm. Condit fights in July, Fitch is ready to fight in October or November, I think. Condit could fight Fitch in October, making the winner available to fight GSP in Febuary 2012. That’s almost 10 months after GSP fights Shields, kind of a long wait for him. Maybe he fights Diego in the meantime just to keep warm? Ugh, I hate just saying that.
The timeline’s iffy. Like you said, as much as you’re not a fan of “gimme” fights, it’s unfair to the champ that he has to sit for a while because no one can keep up.
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Looking at it, I have no clue who’d be ready to face GSP when he’s ready for another fight in September or October. Condit would be coming off a win to Stun Gun, so he’s a no-go (IMO), Diego won’t have fought Hughes by then. Only names that come up are BJ Penn and Fitch, and they’re supposed to be rematching each other when they’re ready. So… who’s left? Maybe GSP tests the waters at MW while he waits for Condit/Stun Gun/Diego/Fitch/BJ to sort itself out? I’d like that.
Koscheck’s exploding eyeball and the Penn-Fitch draw (and subsequent injury) really fucked things up, I think.
Not that Koscheck himself could fight GSP again, but maybe, just maybe, someone could have built a name off him enough to warrant a title shot.
Maybe Thiago Alves again? If he beats Story in May, that’d be a two-win streak. It’s not the best justification, but it could work as far as making him a “viable” contender.
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No way Alves gets another title fight before Fitch. He either has to beat Fitch first, or wait it out and take his turn after Fitch has lost again to GSP.
I don't really think Alves deserves it either.
But again, it goes back to that “Who’s available right now?” game.
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Condit, BJ Penn and Fitch are the only names that come to mind. Of those three, Fitch deserves it more, but Condit probably gets the nod while the winner of the Penn/Fitch rematch could very well get the next shot.
Oh, I was referring to the fall. Let’s say GSP wins, his next fight would/should be in October-Novemberish.
With the state of the WW division, the only guys who are
(a) uninjured, and
(b) coming off more than one win
are Alves (if he beats Story in May) Condit (if he beats Kim in July). Barring those two, GSP waits for Sanchez/Penn/Fitch.
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By then, both BJ Penn and Fitch should be ready to go. Same with Condit if he wins against Stun Gun without injurying himself. And sure, Alves would be ready too, but shouldn’t be talked about as a title challenger at this point.
And Sanchez will be busy with Hughes in the fall, so he obviously can’t fight GSP in the fall.
That leaves us with Condit, Fitch and BJ Penn. Then, you’re off to the Kampmann, Hughes, Pyle, Paulo Thiago, according to the SBN rankings. Hyun Kim is a slight possibility if he destroys Condit, but he’s never destroyed anyone in the UFC, so I wouldn’t bank on that.
I thought Penn-Fitch was put off for longer than that.
What’s the timeframe on his recovery?
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This is a "nightmare" for Hughes
And a “dream” for Sanchez.
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by dedstrk316 on Apr 28, 2011 11:43 AM EDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
oof.
Why didn't I know about this stuff in '95?
by rdmcurator on Apr 28, 2011 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Sanchez with a TKO win via GNP
And the UFC is going to return to the UK in the Fall, so they might as well set it up for this as the main event instead of one of their usual nonsense headliners.
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I don't like this match-up at all
It’s painfully obvious that they want to continue Diego’s winning streak with a big name that he should beat quite easily, with the goal to push him towards a title shot. Hughes is coming off a KO loss and should really be on the retirement circuit exclusively from now on, if fighting at all. Plus this is a big step down for Sanchez, coming off wins over Paolo Thiago and Martin Kampmann. I’m not saying Diego is the shiznit, but you’re fooling yourself if you really think Hughes has much of a chance here. This is pretty lame all around, I’m not buying it.
I see what you’re doing Joe Silva / UFC, and I don’t like it at all.
by Horselover Fat on Apr 28, 2011 11:58 AM EDT reply actions
i think diegos proven that hes not a title contender
he got smoked at lw and alves, fitch, bj, kos and shields will all be above him at ww
its a fun fight with little implication, but thats exactly what i wanna see from diego and hughes. i like this fight alot
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by Horselover Fat on Apr 28, 2011 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Not sure why people think Hughes is going to get wrecked. Hes been wrecked by BJ Penn, GSP and Thiago Alves. Is Sanchez really in the same league as those guys?
Hughes has look fine against all the lower end of the division guys hes fought. Diego looked good against Thiago once he gassed from Sanchez’s pace which I don’t think Hughes will fold under and he looked pretty terrible vs Kampmann other than the couple of small moments Martin decided to be an idiot and brawl with him against the cage.
I think this is a lot closer than people think.
Technically speaking
It isn’t really like matching up a guy coming off a big loss with a guy on a two fight win streak. If we had semi-competent judges it would be two guys coming off losses.
Kampmann’s “loss” to Diego is the ultimate “you should see the other guy” story. Sheer robbery.
I know Matt Hughes is getting older
But I really feel like he should dominate this fight. He is better then Diego Sanchez in the scrambles, is better off his back, and considerably better ontop. I know Diego has endless cardio, but I see Matt Hughes beating him up before submitted him
Diego's best chance is to keep it upright,
and even there I don’t think he has a significant advantage. He might be able to tire Hughes out, but I doubt it.
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by ElliotMatheny on Apr 28, 2011 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
glad I can see Matt Hughes pound some dreams into Sanchez
this couldnt have been a better match up, lets see sanchez try to make a name for himself , he was utterly annihilated by Martin k. cant believe he won that decision with his imaginary punches
WAR HUGHES
Sanchez won
well, kinda
Conducting an experiment on knocking people out in particular ways would be unethical.
No way dude.
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by ElliotMatheny on Apr 28, 2011 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions
That's the kinda
I’m not agreeing with the decision. But fact is he got a W for that fight
Conducting an experiment on knocking people out in particular ways would be unethical.
Diego won that fight.
He wore more damage but you could make a case he won round 2 and 3.
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He won round 3
But not round 2.
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Those 3 judges are absolutely blind
Like the Super Bowl refs.
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I thought Diego won the 2nd and 3rd.
I’ve rewatched it 3-4 times on DVR, I stand by it.
The Super Bowl refs weren’t blind……just corrupt.
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Sure, you could make a case,
but not a good one. You could also make a case that Hitler’s Nazi regime did great things for the German economy at the time, and so his actions were justified. Just not a good case.
Martin beat the piss out of Diego and stuffed all takedown attempts; 10-8 in the first round, got bested in a few exchanges in the second round but landed far better strikes for the rest of the period, 10-9 Kampmann (10-10 at the ABSOLUTE worst); and went tit for tat with Diego throughout the entirety of the 3’rd round, 10-10. I personally had that fight 30-27 Kampmann.
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by ElliotMatheny on Apr 28, 2011 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I disagree.
I’ve broken it down and watched it in slow mo. Kampmann was landing light jabs and moving backwards THE WHOLE FIGHT, Diego was constantly charging forward throwing hard shots. Alot missed some didn’t. The fact that Martin was in his backpedal the entire fight cost him the decision.
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Well there we go.
To me, backpedaling isn’t a bad thing. He was landing strikes throughout. The direction you move has no bearing on whether you are aggressive or not. To me, the high volume of precise shots he landed WAS a sign of ‘effective agression’.
Charging forward means nothing, what matters is that Martin landed the far superior quantity and quality of strikes. Diego’s best moments were in the heated exchanges, and even then he hardly held a significant advantage. In the exchange in the 2’nd round everyone points to, where Diego wobbled Kampmann with a punch, Martin slipped most of the other punches and landed a BRUTAL left hook of his own.
And if you’re going to score the takedown in the 3’rd round for Diego, then you ABSOLUTELY have to score all the times Martin completely shut Diego down. I personally do not value takedowns (unless it’s a slam) or defenses thereof at all, it’s what happens from there that matters.
Also, “light jabs”? Those jabs had good snap behind them, and eviscerated Diego’s face. Some people say that it’s not fair to score visible damage, but I disagree. It’s not the be all/ end all, but things like cuts, welts, hematomas, etc are all indicators of strikes landing with good impact and precision.
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by ElliotMatheny on Apr 28, 2011 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions
A cut is no real measure of how damaged a fighter gets. Remember the article where a surgeon plainly said that people have different propensities for it?
by Unabomberman on Apr 29, 2011 1:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes, different people get cut and bruised easier (or harder) than others.
And I don’t think you should put a HUGE amount of credence into cosmetic damage. However, it is a sign that strikes are connecting. I don’t care WHO you are, your face doesn’t get that fucked up just from “light jabs”.
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by ElliotMatheny on Apr 29, 2011 6:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Martin Kampmann should be the no.2 contender right now behind Fitch
Next to the Mousasi-Jardine fight the Kampmann-Diego decision was the biggest robbery of the year.
by mortarz on Apr 28, 2011 5:09 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
GOVERNMENT SQUID HOAX !!
The super-rich elite secretly own and operate the world through the mechanisms of governments, media, corporations, institutions and religion. They may be planning a SQUID ALIEN HOAX. I’m talking gigantic, highly-intelligent, bioluminescent, UFO flying mother fucking squid. The elite will pull ancient artifacts out of the ground and have all kinds of bs evidence. Tell somebody in whatever form or fashion you choose – DO NOT BELIEVE THE GOVERNMENT OR THE SQUID OR THE TV OR THE SCIENTISTS – IT’S A TRAP – check my vids on youtube – GOVERNMENT SQUID HOAX .. oh ya and this fight should be sweet
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