Rafael Mendes: How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb
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Those of you who do a bare minimum of online research on Rafael Mendes will discover that at the age of 19, he became a World Pro champion and won perhaps the most prestigious title in submission grappling, the ADCC. Those of you who do some more digging, watch videos and talk to Brazilian jiu-jitsu aficionados near you will discover that a surprising number of people dislike him. They really dislike him. Talk of "ruining jiu-jitsu" and the name "Cobrinha" will probably feature heavily in their commentary. That dislike should no longer matter and here's why.
It is an inexact comparison at best, but permit me to say that Rafael Mendes is the Kobe Bryant of the jiu-jitsu world. It was evident that Bryant was destined to develop magnificent technical skills and gain numerous accolades and titles from the very beginning of his basketball career in South Philly. Rafa won world championships at the blue belt, purple belt, brown belt and the black belt level in consecutive years from 2006 to 2010. Despite their impressive accomplishments early on and immense skill, it's become apparent that both men are perhaps doomed to never gain the hearts of fans wholeheartedly in the way that other sporting legends have. Bring up the name "Kobe Bryant" amongst NBA fans and you'll probably get an immediate and passionate argument about his place in the pantheon of legends and his place amongst his contemporaries. Bring up the name "Rafael Mendes" among BJJ fans and you'll hear about the awful 50/50 guard. And about Cobrinha.

(Rafael putting Cobrinha in the 50/50 guard at Pan Ams)
The 50/50 guard involves the opponent on the bottom controlling a single leg of the opponent with both legs and using the hands to try and work a sweep or a leglock. Within sport jiu-jitsu, there are rules on what you can and can't do and several of those rules concern the illegality of certain leglocks - which happen to be the ones most available to someone using the 50/50 guard (heel hooks being the most common). For the person on top, with the trapped leg, it's extremely difficult to extract the leg without yielding a sweep and in today's elite matches, one sweep or a good attempt at a sweep can be the deciding factor. As a result, for most matches that involve a competitor using 50/50 guard for long periods of time, the fans watch a battle of slow attrition without the explosive action, wonderful submissions and incandescent grappling that make competitions so fun to follow. Rafael and his brother, Guilherme (also a world class competitor in his own right), became perhaps the most famous users of the 50/50 guard and their gym, Atos Jiu-jitsu, became known for turning out excellent featherweight competitors who loved using the 50/50 guard to eke out wins in competition.
2009 World Pro BJJ Cup Under 65kg Final: Rafael Mendes vs. Rubens Cobrinha (via EmiratesJiuJitsu)
If you can make it to the end of this match and not feel like Mendes was stalling, you're special indeed...
I spoke of incandescent grappling above and few people exemplify that ideal more than Rubens "Cobrinha" Charles*. Unlike Kobe, Cobrinha was relatively unheralded until reaching the highest levels of competition. Once he received his black belt from Terere (supposedly just a few short weeks before the 2005 CBJJO Worlds), he exploded upon the scene. By 2009, Cobrinha was perhaps the single most dominant BJJ player not named Roger Gracie. He won everything at featherweight and everybody loved him. People raved about his excellent and unorthodox jiu-jitsu and proclaimed him perhaps the best pound for pound grappler on the planet. The scene was ripe for a new challenger and Rafael Mendes showed up. Rafa and Cobrinha then began one of the most widely discussed rivalries ever in the sport.
As laid out by this excellent article over on GrapplingWeekly, this Federer-and-Nadal-like rivalry took place at the highest levels of the sport. Both men made it to finals after finals and by the time Cobrinha "retired" from competition in late 2010, they had fought seven times. Initially, Cobrinha had a three to one edge and the fans rejoiced. The "right one" had won. Good jiu-jitsu had proven to be the best. However, as Mendes got better and better with the 50/50 guard, the momentum shifted the other way and Mendes now leads the series with four victories to three. In the chat rooms, on the message boards, in the gyms and in magazines, a large chunk of those who followed and competed sport jiu-jitsu were grumbling about the 50/50 guard and indirectly of Rafael's utilization of such. He was "ruining the sport". 50/50 was a weak style that would "get one blasted away in the streets". People saw the titles next to Rafael's name and dismissed him as a one-trick pony that would soon be pushed out of elite competition circles. Cobrinha or the others at featherweight would "solve the 50/50 guard and restore the natural order of things". Despite my inexperience and non-elite jiu-jitsu skills, I had all kinds of opinions on the sport in general, as well as specific competitors. I too believed the sport would eclipse Rafa.
Things didn't happen that way. While competing in the Abu Dhabi World Pro championships on consecutive weekends in April of 2011, Rafael Mendes blew the doors off my world.
Abu Dhabi World Pro NO-GI 2011 - Mendes bros final (via twogottodo)
(Rafa grappling with Gui in the divisional finals)
The World Pro championships is a yearly tournament held largely due to the high favor in which Sheikh Tahnoon bin Zayad Al Nahyan holds submission grappling and Brazilian jiu-jitsu. Sheikh Tahnoon is a black belt himself and the founder of the Abu Dhabi Combat Club. The World Pro is not yet quite as prestigious as the Mundials or the biennial no-gi ADCC competitions, which most view as the pinnacle of the sport. But the World Pro pays good money and over the short time it's been in existence, the tournament has built feeder tournaments worldwide and its competitor roster now basically includes almost every major competitor worth his or her salt at all belt levels. It's also designed to increase the profile of grappling within the Arab world and local competitors are strongly encouraged to train for and enter the competition.
With the backing of Sheikh Tahnoon and the Combat Club, the World Pro enjoys television coverage that is very well done in comparison with any sporting event and that there's strong internet coverage driven by fan interest worldwide. We get to see excellent quality videos (eventually, as they trickle online) and we hear about the results through social media or plain ol' word of mouth. And the word of mouth from this year's World Pro centered on three people: Rodolfo Vieira, Cobrinha and Rafael Mendes.
Rodolfo Vieira is a relatively new black belt, having received the rank in 2009, but has been a rising star to watch since before that. It may be early to deem Vieira as "living up to the hype", but winning the absolute in both no-gi and gi, winning his -92 kg gi division and finishing second in the -92 kg no-gi division is a hell of a haul for anyone.
Cobrinha apparently showed up halfway through the tournament, just to train with Sheikh Tahnoon and Renzo Gracie and maybe coach a few Alliance competitors. While at the tournament, the competition bug apparently bit the ostensibly retired Charles and he decided to compete in the gi in a weight class up from his usual featherweight. He made it to the semi-finals of the -74 kg division, losing only to Celso Vinicus (the second place finisher and a very respected competitor) and made it to the finals of the absolute division against Vieira (who was probably the first in years to finish Cobrinha in a tournament). In keeping with the inexact NBA analogies, it was as if Jordan had returned from his sojourn in minor league baseball and Cobrinha has vowed to compete in this year's Worlds.
These are two incredible storylines - the young bull asserting his dominance and the living legend returned to competition - but the most striking thing about the World Pros to me was Rafael Mendes.
At the World Pro, Mendes won his -65 kg featherweight division in no-gi, beating his brother in the finals as they fought a wonderfully fluid match. His Atos team actually swept the top four positions in that division. Mendes then came in second in the absolute division, tying the much, much larger Rodolfo Vieira 0-0 and losing the subsequent referee's decision. Lastly, he finished second to Tanquinho in the featherweight gi division in a controversial match (which I believe was wrongly decided, as the referee seemingly screwed Rafael) and refused to accept the silver medal or to enter . In short, it was an amazing performance, but perhaps overshadowed by the runs of Vieira and Cobrinha.
To be sure, Rafa was rewarded with personal attention from Sheikh Tahnoon several times during the tournament (rolling with Renzo, Ze Mario Sperry, Cobrinha and Rodolfo in a private after the no-gi, and being consoled after the silver medal debacle). That kind of personal touch from the sheikh is a big deal, but the sheikh is not the BJJ masses.
It should be apparent that the Rafael Mendes who competed in Sheikh Tahnoon's tournament in April was no longer "just" the 50/50 guy. Despite frequently being smaller or physically weaker than even his fellow featherweight competitors, his movement was incredible and he attacked in a variety of different ways, gaining sweeps and displaying exquisite timing and technique. From watching the few videos available online, I genuinely don't think stalling in the 50/50 is an issue for Rafael anymore. To my inexpert eye, it looks like Rafael is flat out better than anyone in the world at his weight and in the discussion for best in the world at any weight. His jiu-jitsu is good - even if the BJJ peeps are still fixated on the 50/50 guard.
To watch Rafael Mendes now is to see a fiery and expert grappler do something which he is amongst the best at in the world. There should be no reservations or critiques leveled at him for stalling his way to victory in the World Pro. Like fluoridation in Dr. Strangelove, the 50/50 guard is a boogeyman seized upon by those who fear that it will spread and ruin grappling as a whole. It was an important step in the development of Rafael Mendes's now all-around excellent game and it remains available to be cracked by those who are willing and eager to compete at the highest levels in the sport. I hope y'all realize that and give Rafa his due without too much grumbling.

Thanks for reading. And watch Dr. Strangelove if you haven't.
*I am still enormously ticked off that I joined my BJJ gym the week AFTER Cobrinha taught a seminar there.
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Does anyone know how I can get videos to embed? I have been trying without success to get two rather crucial ones here…
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Have to get the html embed code and put it into the post.
Awesome post by the way; Atos and the Mendes brothers are going to be terrorizing the BJJ world for quite a while I think.
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by Patrick Tenney on Apr 26, 2011 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Above is the 50/50 stall match
Below is the Rafa/Gui
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u35BL8S3aO0
Ugh – tech fail.
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People fixate on the 50/50
but what’s more impressive is his berimbau/berimbolo. Everyone knows it’s one of the first things he goes for from de la riva, yet he consistently still gets it on elite black belts. That alone amazes me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqojS2A8Hck&feature=player_embedded
by IpullguardIRL on Apr 26, 2011 2:48 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
The berimbolo is so ridiculous in general, the amount of time it takes to perfect the details of motion in that technique is absurd, I try to drill it and variations of it every day before class really starts.
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by Patrick Tenney on Apr 26, 2011 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
yah I know there’s probably tons of details I’m missing but it’s such an exotic technique you can’t exactly just ask anyone haha. The fact that he can consistently do it to black belts who know it’s coming probably means that he’s making subtle adjustments that I simply can’t see.
by IpullguardIRL on Apr 26, 2011 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I can tell you from drilling it repeatedly that the actual exit to make the person move into your back control is the most difficult part, the shallow DLR hook has to be perfect and you have to use a very interesting mechanic kicking out with your leg.
Got the Summer hatin on me cus I'm hotter than the sun. Got the Spring hatin on me cus I ain't never sprung. Winter hatin on me cus I'm colder than ya'll; and I will never I will never I will never Fall.
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by Patrick Tenney on Apr 26, 2011 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions
He’s said numerous times in recent months that his game has always been geared towards taking the back.
Now whether or not you believe that is up to you, but he is trying for such things way more often now. The increase in confidence makes for a much, much more fun Rafa to watch.
And it’s because of awesome tricks like that. Good work, IPGIRL.
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His finishing rate at his weight class has always been very high, but as you point out in your article, it’s his matches with Cobrinha that get the most attention. He submitted all of his opponents other than Cobrihna, including Leo Vierra, at ADCC 2009. And I’m pretty sure he submitted everyone at the 2010 Mundials except for Ryan Hall and Cobrihna.
Incidentally, his match at ADCC with Cobrihna shows how dynamic the 50/50 guard can be when heel hooks are allowed. There wasn’t much stalling in that match, and it was 40 minutes long.
The style of guard passing that the Mendes Bros. have been using for a long time (leg drags and redirecting the hips) presents a lot of back taking opportunities. I’ve been trying to integrate this style of passing into my game, but I haven’t had much success so far.
That’s a detail I missed – I knew Mendes and Cobrinha had finished all opponents en route to the finals at ADCC 2009 (Cobrinha actually snapping Rani’s arm due to a non-tap) but I hadn’t remembered his accomplishments in previous tournaments all that well.
In this year’s World Pro, he had quite a few decisions, so the point isn’t as strong as I’d like it to be. But thanks.
Actually, I found the ADCC 2009 match to be kinda boring. Even with heel hooks, there was about five minutes of excitement in that 40 minute match – when Mendes started setting up the back take.
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I haven’t watched the match in awhile, so I’ll have to take another look at it. Maybe it’s not as good as I remember! I do recall there being a lot more submission attempts than their gi matches though. I think Mendes came pretty close to finishing anaconda chokes a couple of times.
In any case, this was a really good post resulting discussion has been top notch.
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by Scott C. Broussard on Apr 26, 2011 3:29 PM EDT reply actions
when rafa stops pulling guard, he’ll have my attn, his matches always start with two dudes scissoring, makes me embarrassed for bjj
hah
Passing is boring to watch. Guard work has always been more interesting of the two, because guards have to use intricate technique to overcome the gravity advantage that the guy on top has.
It just so happens that featherweight the metagame has evolved so that the advantage you get from playing guard overcomes the advantage you get from gravity from being on top (featherweights are too light to take full advantage of the mechanical advantage, or at least their weight hasn’t reached the inflection point where being on top is better).
I’ve thought about this because I’m a featherweight….
by IpullguardIRL on Apr 26, 2011 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
To be fair to Rafa, that’s pretty much how all the matches go at the lighter weights at the highest level.
im fair, the guy knows how to win and i admit his jiu jitsu is out of this world good but i hate his no risk strategy, his style leads to alot of matches being decided by an advantage
and let me tell you, it is 10x easier to rack up advantages with near sweeps than it is for near passes by the top guy, its like whoever pulls guard first has the advantage. In reality the guy who busts his ass learning proper base and takedowns from the feet should be awarded two points if he ends up on top, or else why train takedowns, i love rafa but his style is killing bjj, now everyone scissors each other, fuck that!
if u wanna pull guard you should have to sweep to go even, but today people pull guard and go for sloppy sweeps and they win on advantages
you get an advantage for standing up first
on a double guard pull, sounds pretty balanced to me
by IpullguardIRL on Apr 26, 2011 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions
also it’s not like if you’re a takedown master and I want to pull guard I can just do it. First of all in a gi I need to get at least 1 grip to pull guard (can’t just sit down). So I kind of need to put myself at some risk of giving up takedown points to pull guard.
then there’s always the chance that i’ll pull guard at a bad position and you’ll immediately have a chance to pass. Pulling guard safely is just as much a skill that has to be practiced.
you’ll notice different people have systematic ways of doing it, like Ryan Hall gets standard grips and then sits down and pulls you into distance half guard. Rafa kind of “shoots” for the outside and and immediately pulls de la riva
by IpullguardIRL on Apr 26, 2011 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions
lol, nice name
your right, it does require technique to pull guard effectively, it is definitely a useful skill in any situation but i feel sport jiu jitsu is hurting the “essence” of jiu jitsu. Jiu jitsu has lost alot of it’s judo influence and making the art more 1 dimensional than ever
bjj is suppose to be a complete fighting system, the only thing it had going for it in the standup was judo and now that is being thrown to the side because people are just concerned with gold medals
sport jiu jitsu is making jiu jitsu 1 dimensional, thank god our champ is roger and he displays jiu jitsu as it was taught to him by his dad and what gracie jiu jitsu intended
It's a preference thing
some people like “traditional” bjj and some people like sport bjj. I personally like sport bjj because it is a lot more dynamic in my opinion. My impression of traditional bjj is that you hold someone in your guard and just wait…for them to get tired, and then you get to business.
I also don’t put much of a premium on eventually having to use my jiu jitsu to fight some hypothetical attacker, since I try to avoid situations where I have to fight or defend myself in the first place. Also I kind of assume if I fight someone on the street that doesn’t know bjj I should be able to finish them pretty easily from the bottom…
by IpullguardIRL on Apr 27, 2011 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
I hate 50/50
but I also don’t understand it so there’s that. At my school 50/50 and rubber guards are not taught and if you pull them out some people look at you funny, funny angry.
If you pull rubber guard on me, I will pass you and then when I am in side control, take a moment to look at you funny.
50/50 is fair game though. I use it weirdly often with a teammate who loves trying to go for a step pass. Fortunately we have laxer rules than IBJJF (although the maxim “Don’t be a dick about subs” always, always stays in effect).
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If you know the different adjustments and transitions,
rubber guard is very useful. It’s people who just pull mission control and just chill from there that get passed easily.
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by ElliotMatheny on Apr 27, 2011 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Srsly.
Just because you are lanky and flexible does not make you a master of the rubber guard. There are many different small positional advancements and adjustments that mean the difference between a dangerous rubber guard, and one that is simply a stalling method.
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by ElliotMatheny on Apr 27, 2011 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions
As somebody who's never trained JJ
please expound on the “Don’t be a dick about subs”.
I assume that to mean, don’t go 0-to-60 and rip ligaments, but if I ever start training that’s one of those unwritten rules that seems hard to grasp, or might be, and you are putting your tender-spots in the care of other people, who you may not know at all, and if you are new to a school, you absolutely don’t know (and worse, your partner might suck as bad as you and tear some shit off on accident).
In my WC classes, our instructor was on the brutal side, you were expected to punch people in the face if they failed to execute the technique properly. I’ve had multiple bloody noses, scratched corneas, nearly broken nose, and a flash knockout.
I’ve also had to have shoulder surgery for a torn/detached labrum in my shoulder, so while BJJ classes look like fun, I’m very very skeptical of trying now that I’m nearing on 40
by hardlyworking on Apr 26, 2011 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Most BJJ classes will not be anything like the classes taught by your possibly deranged Wing Chun instructor. Wow.
Yes, 0-60 is bad. Holding the submission and easing the tension to the point of a tap is the idea. If the practice opponent refuses to tap, let it go. Work on your positions or transition to something else.
Accidents like a foot, elbow or knee to the wrong spot happen, but there’s no intent to punish people or injure them for improper technique. Exploit their flaws and improve your own position, sure, but not punishing. Inexperienced people are usually fine – and actually may tap out too many times (chokes take some getting used to). Bloody noses and cut lips happen. There’s usually a kind of procession of minor tweaks and twinges, but that’s normal for any moderately demanding athletic pursuit.
I’ve seen people with all kinds of lifelong injuries step into BJJ and make it work their way. I know people with leg/ankle problems from judo and other pursuits, shoulder problems from repetitive motion/football injuries and so on. It’s generally pretty workable for them. But spinal injuries should be carefully monitored. That shizz can get real fast.
Try it out. Worst comes to worst, you drop in on a free class or two and lose the time and sweat you spend there. Most places should be chill and give off a good vibe. I know mine does.
Or relax and watch MMA/sport grappling. No shame in being a fan.
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Your “professor” is a psychopath.
BJJ is also the perfect combat sport to get into at any age, unless you find combat yoga somewhere… The majority of BJJ schools you find will have respectful training partners and instructors as everyone pretty much comes to the swift conclusion that the fate of each others limbs is in their training partners hands… so we’re all generally pretty nice.
Got the Summer hatin on me cus I'm hotter than the sun. Got the Spring hatin on me cus I ain't never sprung. Winter hatin on me cus I'm colder than ya'll; and I will never I will never I will never Fall.
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by Patrick Tenney on Apr 26, 2011 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks for replys
Including Tree Frog
As to my instructor, he spent 8 years special forces (I’m sure some of that time was getting in, and training) and he runs his school as a Self Defense school, so tries to keep things as “real” as possible.
He’s also (apparently) not concerned about student retention. If you want what he’s offering, you stay, otherwise don’t waste his time.
He’s not psycho, he’s just offering a different perspective on combat training than you are going to get pretty much anywhere else. He mastered the art while living in Fayetteville (Ft. Brag) training with other Spec Forces guys.
I’m absolutely glad I had the chance to train with him, and I miss it enormously, but with kids/wife and a mortgage, I just can’t afford the injuries any more!
by hardlyworking on Apr 27, 2011 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions
That will make you tough,
but there’s a time and a place for hard sparring and light sparring. Especially when you are drilling techniques, a light tap is sufficient to show if you’ve left a significant opening for your opponent.
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by ElliotMatheny on Apr 27, 2011 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Not to be a dick, but are you absolutely sure your professor was SF? People in the martial arts world who teach various offshoots of TMAs often lie about their lineage, status and profession for some weird, self-aggrandizing reasons.
Take a look at the Bullshido forums if you don’t know what I mean. By virtue of calling up people and asking them questions, they bust a surprising amount of fakers within BJJ.
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I have no reason to doubt.
We might be talking two different things. When I say Special Forces, I mean any/all. I know that some people mean special forces = SEAL or Delta only.
My Sifu was a Ranger, which is not that unusual, and qualifies him as badass IMO.
by hardlyworking on Apr 27, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
ZOMG EMBED FIXED
Got the Summer hatin on me cus I'm hotter than the sun. Got the Spring hatin on me cus I ain't never sprung. Winter hatin on me cus I'm colder than ya'll; and I will never I will never I will never Fall.
The mat is my church, the ground is my heaven, Jiu-Jitsu is my religion. And once you hit the ground you're in my world. My world is like the ocean, I’m like a shark and most people don't even know how to swim - Draculino
by Patrick Tenney on Apr 26, 2011 10:12 PM EDT reply actions
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by Brian Hemminger on Apr 26, 2011 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions
i don't know
I’ve never had an issue with videos
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by Brian Hemminger on Apr 27, 2011 1:05 AM EDT up reply actions
The Dr. Strangelove anology
was forced as hell, but a great movie and a great article deserves a rec regardless. Awesome, awesome work. Great way of distilling BJJ culture, and communicating Mendes’ game. Still…I like Hall’s rolling back attack to the berimbau personally.
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could you elaborate?
they seem to be done from different angles, RH is from attacking the turtle or being on top in side control hooking the top leg, and Mendes almost always from de la riva. I have had some feeling that the leg work from the rolling back attack could be applicable to the berimbau though…
by IpullguardIRL on Apr 27, 2011 8:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Any tips for a newbie
on places to go to follow sport BJJ and submission grappling?
by theBarbarian17 on Apr 27, 2011 11:25 AM EDT reply actions
Can't recommend this enough.
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by ElliotMatheny on Apr 27, 2011 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Thanks for the reply
I definitely like the Quick and Dirty Primer they have, will help me with going to classes.
by theBarbarian17 on Apr 27, 2011 11:43 AM EDT reply actions
Aesopian is a badass.
Also, the grappling forum over at Sherdog is actually pretty quality. They have some knowledgable posters over there.
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by ElliotMatheny on Apr 27, 2011 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
The subforums are decent,
and John Wayne Parr actually posts in their kickboxing section, which is pretty badass.
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by ElliotMatheny on Apr 27, 2011 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions

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