Jon Jones Explains Injury That Forced Him Off UFC 133
by Nick Thomas on Apr 25, 2011 7:17 PM EDT
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The UFC announced today that Jon Jones has pulled out of his first title defense against former teammate Rashad Evans and Phil Davis will step in to fight Evans. Jon Jones explains the details of his injury with Authentic Sport Management:
"(The torn tissue in my right hand in the area between my thumb and forefinger) is an injury that’s been recurring since I was a college wrestler, it doesn’t affect my punching or grappling, but I am taking the time and the proper measures to correct this now, so that it doesn’t happen again. I look forward to getting back to training and to my first title defense. As for Rashad, let’s see what happens with Phil Davis. I will be watching that fight with great interest."
Rashad Evans talks to Authentic Sport Management about the change in opponent:
"I’m looking forward to fighting Phil Davis August 6th at UFC 133, he’s a strong wrestler and a rising star in the light heavyweight division. I wish Jon Jones a speedy recovery, he has something that belongs to me and when he’s ready, I’ll be waiting."Aug 6th, live on Pay-per-view from Philadelphia, Pennsylvania:
Rashad "Suga" Evans (15-1-1) [Num. 3]
Win Quinton Jackson - Decision (Unanimous) UFC 114
Win Thiago Silva - Decision (Unanimous) UFC 108
Loss Lyoto Machida - KO (Punches) UFC 98
Phil "Mr. Wonderful" Davis (9-0) [Num .11]
Win Antonio Rogerio Nogueira - Decision (Unanimous) UFC FN 24
Win Tim Boetsch - Submission (Kimura) UFC 123
Win Rodney Wallace - Decision (Unanimous) UFC 117
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Well that injury sounds like complete BS if it doesn't effect anything
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by Austin Martin on Apr 25, 2011 7:19 PM EDT reply actions 7 recs
Gotta agree with you, it is something that doesn’t have to be fixed, it apparently happened during the fight with Rua yet he waits over a month to decide this? Personally I think he just wants to screw with Rashad.
You may be right. Weird time for elective surgery, although it’s probably not something he had the time or money to do in the past couple years.
What's this war in the heart of nature? Why does nature vie with itself? The land contend with the sea? Is there an avenging power in nature? Not one power, but two?
by Kwisatz Haderach on Apr 25, 2011 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions
What the fuck Jones.
The torn tissue in my right hand in the area between my thumb and forefinger is an injury that’s been recurring since I was a college wrestler, itdoesn’t affect my punching or grappling
SO WHY ARE YOU PULLING OUT OF YOUR FIGHT
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by lowellthehammer on Apr 25, 2011 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Guaranteed...
Ms. Jackson (Woooooo!) had a good long talk about respecting your elders… even if they ARE lazy, good for nothing, “sleep on the job” kinda fighters.
by Aggressor666 on Apr 25, 2011 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, and
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by lowellthehammer on Apr 25, 2011 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Why would he say that?
I’m a big fan of Jones, but that shit sounds suspect… Especially since he fought almost a month ago.
by kick_puncher on Apr 25, 2011 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions
The injury probably hurts
And going into fights with injuries probably isn’t smart for long term stuff. What I wonder is why does he have to pull out of the fight. Their fight isn’t until August so couldn’t he have surgery and heal by June?
I don’t think he’s faking the injury, why would he, at all. Jones is getting pretty much six figures per fight now.
I don’t think to many people think hes faking but as he stated it isn’t an injury that affects anything so why would you make this decision a month after it got re injured when you fought Shogun all the meanwhile hyping your title fight and starting shit with Rashad. I almost believe Rashad now about taking Jones down and keeping him there when they sparred just because all signs point to Jones trying to mess with Rashad and really the only people who need to do this(this is on a different level from Sonnen messing with people by trash talking) I feel are people who are worried about this fight or feel they need to change something to gain an advantage before the fight.
My favorite part is Rashad waiting and waiting and waiting and now he's not even fighting for a title.
I like to call it “Rashadenfreude”.
by jpayne on Apr 25, 2011 7:27 PM EDT reply actions 9 recs
The irony is too much
Hipsters everywhere would die if they watched MMA.
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Rashadenfreude...
And so it is known
by John Danaher's Hair on Apr 25, 2011 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Jon Jones.....you rack eh disciprine
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by dgonz on Apr 25, 2011 7:27 PM EDT reply actions 8 recs
veeeery convenient mr. jones
They have introduced a foreign meat.
What kind of mee-tuna.
by Body Triangle on Apr 25, 2011 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions
no joke
he should have at least done this one defense before taking time off. Taking time off for no reason after grabbing the title is a great way to lose all the momentum fighters build up.
by squaresphere on Apr 26, 2011 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Why would he say that!? Why let people know the injury is so minor. Just makes him look bad.
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by Kefka on Apr 25, 2011 7:28 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
Seriously. He is not grasping the implications of his statement there. At least tell us you re-injured it, Jon. I sense a great flaming on the way.
What's this war in the heart of nature? Why does nature vie with itself? The land contend with the sea? Is there an avenging power in nature? Not one power, but two?
by Kwisatz Haderach on Apr 25, 2011 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions
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by Austin Martin on Apr 25, 2011 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions
fail
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by Austin Martin on Apr 25, 2011 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
This is the longest GIF I've ever seen, and although hilarious. I'll counter your shenanigans with a
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Who wants a mustache ride?!?!
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by Austin Martin on Apr 25, 2011 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I do....I DO!!!
There are few movies i can watch over and over again. It goes without saying, but this is one of them.
by Body Triangle on Apr 25, 2011 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions
No movie....
has ever outperformed my expectations as much as Super Troopers. I went in thinking that it was going to be terrible, and came out thinking that I had just had a new 2nd favorite movie.
by John Danaher's Hair on Apr 25, 2011 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Sauce – of the weakest variety.
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by 3PA on Apr 25, 2011 7:34 PM EDT reply actions 8 recs
Using Phil Davis as your personal Jardine...
Looks like you have been training with Rashad. High five.
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by Dustin Luff on Apr 25, 2011 7:37 PM EDT reply actions 10 recs
genius, sir
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by Cory Braiterman on Apr 25, 2011 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow
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Maybe I'm still in the denial phase but this can't be happening.
It makes no sense. The fight isn’t until April. Tissue damage on a finger? Come on that isn’t right.
There is some behind the scenes reason for this. Maybe they kissed and made up so Rashad would come back to Jackson’s camp.
Really hate being jerked around right this though.
Also this sucks for Shad.
Waiting for a title shot really doesn’t seem like a good idea now huh? Year+ lay off and now your facing a guy that isn’t even top 10 in the division.
Mind Games?
Looks like Master Yoda is teaching young Skywalker how to play games with an opponents mind. “Forsee the future young skywalker” Vader (Rashad) will have to continue to wait.
In all seriousness, I wonder what D.W. thinks about all these mind games allegedly by me of course
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by Matt Millen draft advisor on Apr 25, 2011 7:41 PM EDT reply actions
I forgot your entire comment when I saw your username. Damn you sir!!!
What's this war in the heart of nature? Why does nature vie with itself? The land contend with the sea? Is there an avenging power in nature? Not one power, but two?
by Kwisatz Haderach on Apr 25, 2011 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m calling a spade a spade. Jones pussed out.
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by FlyByKnight on Apr 25, 2011 7:43 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Might want to ease up on that word.
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by pdl on Apr 25, 2011 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
It seems that Mr. Jones has prematurely activated the anihilatrix.
by Body Triangle on Apr 25, 2011 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions
This is the real stuff, man!
Like Junior and them wear!
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by Derek Suboticki on Apr 25, 2011 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions
really?
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by Austin Martin on Apr 25, 2011 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Seriously
Dana needs to give Bones the “do you want to be a F’n fighter” speech. This injury is BS compared to Shogun’s, Cain’s, and Aldo’s.
Isn't this potentially beneficial for Rashad
I know there is absolutley no guarantee that Rashad beats Davis, but I think we can all agree that Rashad would be best to have a fight before he faces Jones.
It seems from other comment sections that BE mostly believes that Rashad will be able to keep Davis standing and bust him up on the feet. That would be great for Rashad and give him some momentum headed into the Jones fight, which brings me to this point….Why is Jones doing this? Seems like it would be better to fight a ring-rusty Rashad in five months than get rusty yourself waiting for your opponent after they win their next match.
by Schwizzles on Apr 25, 2011 7:45 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Especially foolish
since he hasn’t established himself as a big PPV draw yet, this postpones his next fight till…. December at the earliest.
hmmm a injury that doesnt effect his fighting at all??
and he gets to sit out a little longer and he gets to watch rashad fight??? good game plan jones…we all understand u want to keep ur title longer so u come up with this “injury” and u get a chance to watch ur future opponent fight.
well, i wouldn’t go that far. No way he was losing his title anyways.
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by Austin Martin on Apr 25, 2011 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions
No, Jon Jones does not explain his injury
I’m way more confused than when I just thought he’d busted his hand or something.
by Christopher Bradley on Apr 25, 2011 7:49 PM EDT reply actions
Yeah this seemed much more legit until he explained himself. Silence is a warrior virtue, Jon.
What's this war in the heart of nature? Why does nature vie with itself? The land contend with the sea? Is there an avenging power in nature? Not one power, but two?
by Kwisatz Haderach on Apr 25, 2011 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions
This is the first thing that came to mind
What a ho move?
Rashad has got to be seething right now. Or we’re all getting played.
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conspiracy theory
Jones and Rashad are BFF again and Evans is moving back to Jacksons. So Jones decided to have surgery and Rashad plans on getting some time in the cage and then a drop to MW.
It could happen. Either way Evans vs Davis is pretty good fight.
This really isn't that wild of an idea, and is probably close to the truth
by Body Triangle on Apr 25, 2011 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Or...
It’s a sign of punishment towards Rashad for refusing to fight team mates over the years, while Jones was easier to pursuade. Jones get’s some auxiliary surgery and off time while Rashawd gets nothing more than another 3 rounder.
I wonder what will Evans’ next move would be if he happens to lose to “Mr. Wonderful”.
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The injury is something chronic and just when Rashad is about to fight him he's going to take time off?
Ho Move.
He’s banking on Davis winning, obviously. But the tension between the two will always be there after Jones Ho moved the first time. This stuff only adds to Rashad’s drive.
Just being UFC champion is probably making him loads of money right now. Maybe he wants to profit for awhile before he risks it all.
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Buncha bullshit- rashad was too nice right there.. He was talking way more trash in the last weeks..
by LosLurkos on Apr 25, 2011 8:03 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
While I'm all for fighters taking time off to heal injuries
This just seems, to me at least, way too convenient.
he probably shouldn't have said "it doesn't effect my striking or grappling"
by Body Triangle on Apr 25, 2011 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
“I’m 100%. I just want to be more healthy, though.”
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by TheFilt on Apr 25, 2011 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
finding it really hard
not to fighter bash right now. i hope he gets wrecked by rashad (and i cant stand sugar).
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Interesting
After the Shogun fight, heard that Jones was facing medical suspension for possible issue with hand. Never heard anything for a while after that then this drops. Fight with Rashad was set for possibly Sept or Oct. Was the UFC hoping that Jones recovered by then without anyone knowing the bette by having his next fight so late in year even iwith Jones needing the supposed rest. Doesnt change much to me anway. Fight is probably delayed until November or December. I;m sure e can wit a few more weeks. Only question is how will Rashad do against Davis especially with the ring rust and will he still be No 1 Contender?
How dare he address a potentially recurring injury at a young age when he’s already got the belt!
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by Derek Suboticki on Apr 25, 2011 8:40 PM EDT reply actions
except
a. he called out a mentor
b. he engaged in trash talk with said mentor
c. it doesn’t effect either phase of the sport in which he participates
d. he’s doing this at a time where his marketability is sky high and he is fresh in the mind of casuals
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by Austin Martin on Apr 25, 2011 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions
He didn't call out anybody.
He said he’d fight him.
b. who cares
c. I’ll trust his judgment on it (if it affects his confidence, even, that’s enough
d. that’s not going anywhere
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by Derek Suboticki on Apr 25, 2011 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Affects his confidence?
It’s been nagging him since college. Have you seen any lack of confidence in his performances?
The issue is that he said he’d fake an injury to avoid fighting Rashad and that it “doesn’t affect his striking or grappling” (maybe he can’t kick with a sore thumb?).
A friend of mine also pointed out that this is a great time to rack up a few extra months as “UFC Champion”, which will no doubt help his career prospects post-fighting.
by HarmlessNinja on Apr 25, 2011 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions
You just have to defend everything UFC eh?
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But I won’t pick against Jon Jones again until I see him lose. - Kwisatz Haderach
Um, this involves two UFC fighters.
No matter what side you take, you’re defending something UFC (you’ll notice this happening a lot over the coming months and years).
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by Derek Suboticki on Apr 25, 2011 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I think he means the UFC fighters that they put on the hype train and shove down our throats as the next big thing.
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by memitim on Apr 25, 2011 10:18 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Jones is not the next big thing. He is the current big thing.
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by vivero on Apr 25, 2011 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Either way
The promotion can’t make a fighter that says he’s injured fight. In no way shape or form am I “defending the UFC” here – I’m defending Jones and his right to do with his body what he deems necessary/wise.
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by Derek Suboticki on Apr 25, 2011 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Fedor injured his hand and opts for a surgery.
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But I won’t pick against Jon Jones again until I see him lose. - Kwisatz Haderach
It's the method, not the medical needs.
Dominick Cruz had surgery on a nagging hand injury. He said he was getting it done after the Jorgenson fight, no matter what. He didn’t shit talk Urijah, even though everybody knew that was going to be his next fight.
Jones worked up and hyped a fight, then suddenly says “Nah, my hand needs work. It doesn’t hurt my performance at all and I could realistically be back for a full camp comfortably to have a September date but… nah. The number one contender I just stared down in the cage and shit talked for the past month can sit on the shelf.”
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by pdl on Apr 25, 2011 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I've figured it out
He’s found a way to prevent Rashad from being champion by delaying yet another title fight for him. Meaning he could end up either not fighting for a title he was supposed to fight for in Sept 2010 until 2012, or not getting a title shot at all by losing to Davis.
What a clever bitch he is.
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by SSreporters on Apr 25, 2011 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions
He's the champion
He’s not the next big thing.
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by SSreporters on Apr 25, 2011 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Let’s see him defend before he is declared that.
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by memitim on Apr 25, 2011 10:38 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
He beat Shogun Rua
He’s the champion.
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by Derek Suboticki on Apr 25, 2011 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Forrest Griffin also beat Rua and was the champion at one time as well. He’s always been a fan favorite but never the “big thing” in the sport. Let’s see Jones face top competition for a while then we can call him the “big thing”.
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by memitim on Apr 25, 2011 10:49 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Forrest Griffin is a solid top five light-heavyweight.
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by Derek Suboticki on Apr 25, 2011 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions
agreed
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by Austin Martin on Apr 25, 2011 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions
True. Not saying anything bad about Forrest. But I bet no one from the UFC’s publicity department is pitching him to The Tonight Show. Point is Forrest has accomplished as much, if not more, than Jones and he isn’t on their hype train.
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by memitim on Apr 25, 2011 10:56 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Forrest Griffin
Wasn’t 23 years old with the a dynamic fighting style and the world of potential either.
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That's not comparable
Forrest has always relished the underdog roles. It took him 3 years in the UFC to become a champion.
Jones has had barely 4 years of MMA under his belt and he became the first man to TKO Shogun (unless you count the Coleman I as a true TKO).
And he’s fought middling-to-top competition nearly his entire UFC career.
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by SSreporters on Apr 25, 2011 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s not the point. The point is Jones is treated like a great and hugely marketable when neither has been proven yet. Let’s see him prove it. Till then maybe he can quit the drama and bullshit and just fight.
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by memitim on Apr 25, 2011 10:59 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
It's also hard to be "the next big thing" at 30 when Griffin won
When Jones is 23.
The only other UFC fighters with this much success with so little experience is GSP and BJ Penn.
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by SSreporters on Apr 25, 2011 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Once again. Not the point. He still has to prove the hype of being a great and a draw. He hasn’t yet but is treated like he is by some and you can tell he believes it.
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by memitim on Apr 25, 2011 11:06 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I remember when Doc Gooden came up and he had tons of potential and even won a championship. Unfortunately Doc will never grace the walls of Cooperstown. It takes more than potential to be considered one of the greats and Jones isn’t there yet. That’s all.
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by memitim on Apr 25, 2011 11:47 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You had to bring Gooden into it?
Why didn’t you use Kevin Maas?
by John Danaher's Hair on Apr 25, 2011 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Ha! Just checking to see if you are paying attention.
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by memitim on Apr 25, 2011 11:58 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Who is saying he IS one of the greats accomplishment wise?
He has all the makings of an all time great, what the fuck more do you want?
Oh I see why you say this: sorry that he didn’t get subbed (though you were right, he didn’t put him out like Vera), he waxed a guy with experience on the feet and ground, he did finish him, his time did come, he did in fact bust out spinning moves without getting lit, the one kick that landed ended with Shogun getting planted, Bones pretty much was still in Kansas, and ultimately, Jones knew exactly where his place was.
I’m sure you can go and find 1000 of my bad predictions, but I’ll bet a dollar I won’t come off as butt hurt when they went wrong.
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Apr 26, 2011 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Good job. Seriously. You put some effort into that post and made your point saliently. I don’t doubt Jones’ potential, nor will I say he is not a damn exciting fighter to watch. This particular thread in this column was about Derek defending Jones. There is a kind of MMA fan, and I’m not even saying it’s bad, that hops on the hype train prematurely. That’s part of what makes us all fans. Being wowed by fighters with amazing potential. It doesn’t just happen in MMA. It happens in all of sports but I think in MMA it’s a bit on overload. Jones has demonstrated some amazing things. Kind of like Brock did and it’s the UFC’s job to capitalize on that kind of buzz. But, if you’ve been watching this sport long enough there are tons of guys who have shown that and then a weakness was found and it gets exploited over and over again and soon that hype dies. I’m in a wait and see mode with Jones as I am with almost every fighter till they prove success against all types over a period of time. I’m not ready to anoint him as a great yet no matter what the marketing machine tells me. He is on the way but he hasn’t reached that destination and this stunt puts a shadow of doubt in my mind, along with other things he has demonstrated. Let’s see what he has when he is truly tested. Till then he can be akin to Mariano Rivera or, as a tip of the hat to John, Kevin Maas. Time will tell.
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by memitim on Apr 26, 2011 12:34 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
you, sir, perplex me
first and foremost jon jones should not even be in the same breath as brock lesnar when it comes to accomplishments. brock has less fights and has lost convincingly and even looked horrible in one of his only 5 mma victories. its safe to safe brock was a hype train that got derailed, a lot of people were waiting for the jones train to come off the tracks and it has not. his only loss was a one sided beat down that any legit mma fan (which i include you in) views as a victory. i dont blame hamill for not continuing in that fight, jones just made a novice mistake, hes young with not much training. HOWEVER… when does he become credible in your eyes? as joker pointed out, you and many many others negated his chance to win and jones balled up all those doubts, stuck a stick of dynamite in them and blew them to friggen smithereens. so, at what point does he become legit? at what point does he become the new big thing? at what point does he become great? surely if hes not there now he wouldnt be if he defeated rashad either…who most of us view as a lower tier fighter then rua, and those of us who do not most certainly do not view rashad as legend. to be great, you must defeat greatness…to be a legend, you must defeat a legend… jones crushed greatness, destroyed a legend. i for one have no issue with calling him the ‘present big thing’ or a ‘true champion’, but i respect your right not to. i would like to know what more he must accomplish in order to attain that status in your eyes.
Jonny Bench called.
by Sterling Archer on Apr 26, 2011 7:32 AM EDT up reply actions
It’s simple. Longevity. That is how greatness is built. Over time. Let’s see what happens over time. When Brock was on his run they built an air of invincibility around him. By the way, you can absolutely compare the two. They both were/are talented fighters who benefited greatly from the UFC hype train. Do you remember “Brocktober”? Then an elite fighter exploited his weakness and blew him apart. Let’s see Jones face fighters with different disciplines and come out on top over a period of time. I think he is damn exciting and incredibly talented. Let’s see him do it against an elite BJJ artist or an elusive striker like Lyoto. Let’s see what happens when gets put on his back and has to work. He has done all required of him thus far but I’m not ready to give anyone the title of great till they prove it over time against the top.
Ugarte: You despise me, don't you?
Rick: If I gave you any thought I probably would.
He decisively won two fights in the span of six weeks
That’s pretty significant.
"If I had a dollar for every brain you don't have, I'd have one dollar." - Squidward Tentacles
by SSreporters on Apr 25, 2011 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Methinks he knows Rashad is aware of the weaknesses and holes in his game from working together and doesn’t want them exploited till he can fix them. The injury is nonsense.
Ugarte: You despise me, don't you?
Rick: If I gave you any thought I probably would.
Rashad has absolutely nothing for Jones.
Don’t be silly.
"If I had a dollar for every brain you don't have, I'd have one dollar." - Squidward Tentacles
Maybe, maybe not. Lots can be revealed in sparring sessions.
Ugarte: You despise me, don't you?
Rick: If I gave you any thought I probably would.
.....I heard Jon Olav Einemo knocked out the entire Golden Glory crew
In one night.
/Sorry man, couldn’t resist.
"If I had a dollar for every brain you don't have, I'd have one dollar." - Squidward Tentacles
And KO’d them all with a front kick from his half eaten foot.
Ugarte: You despise me, don't you?
Rick: If I gave you any thought I probably would.
by memitim on Apr 25, 2011 9:38 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I don't understand
Why people are so sure that Jones will steamroll Evans. A guy who only lost once, to a striker that nobody had figured out at the time. Other than Machida, no one has ever dominated or even defeated Evans. I understand Jones looked invincible in is last fight, but you’d think people would learn not to keep falling into that trap. Different fighter, different day, anything can happen.
"Tact is the knack of making a point without making an enemy."
~Sir Isaac Newton~
Jones has the superior standup
Better wrestling and he actually does something with top control.
Evans is a damn good fighter but of all the LHWs “in the mix” he has the longest shot to beat Jones.
"If I had a dollar for every brain you don't have, I'd have one dollar." - Squidward Tentacles
by SSreporters on Apr 25, 2011 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions
If I were game planning a fight with Jones
I’d look to get inside his reach and land a short hook. Other than a prime Rampage, I think Rashad has the best chance of all LHWs to do that.
Not to mention that , yeah Jones may be the better MMA wrestler right now, Rashad is the closest to matching him and neutralizing that advantage. I don’t think he has better up. Jones looked marvelous last fight on his feet, but I’ve also seen him look open technically. Rashad has better technical boxing imo, and he has knocked people out.
"Tact is the knack of making a point without making an enemy."
~Sir Isaac Newton~
rua is a better striker than rashad
that my friend is fact.
i agree with your point that getting inside and slipping a hook is the way to go, but jones is aware of this. notice everytime opponents try to get inside on him he utilizes a push kick, not to do damage, but to create distance and get the fight back to where he wants it. the kid watches hours of footage and is a great game planner.. i dont see rashad, who could easily cut to MW because hes such a small LHW being able to deal with jones’ length.
Jonny Bench called.
by Sterling Archer on Apr 26, 2011 7:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Rua was / is the better striker but Rashad may have more freedom in how he approaches the fight due to his stronger wrestling. Plus, Rashad is probably healthier and in better shape than Shogun after his gazillionth knee-surgery.
To save me some time on 25% of all threads, here's the universal answer to the Fedor-debate: Fedor is the most accomplished MMA fighter ever. That is a fact. If he still is the best fighter at this point in time is up for debate.
valid point
im just not sure what jones’ downfall/weakness will be. hes out wrestled world class wrestlers, and he demolished one of, if not the best striker in the 205 division. lets think back to prior to the fight. rusty or not rusty, no one, NO ONE, thought that jones would strike with rua. we all thought that jones’ path to victory was to grab rua and pull him to the mat. we all need to reflect on how shocked we were watching that fight. i remember watching, with my mouth agape as jones out struck rua on the feet. so whats it gonna take??
world class wrestlers outwrestled
top tier strikers outstruck
jitz? maybe?
my guess is a solid combination, patience and a great gas tank to take him into deep water.
Jonny Bench called.
by Sterling Archer on Apr 26, 2011 8:41 AM EDT up reply actions
I actually had my mouth firmly closed. Rua has looked exceedingly awful coming back from knee-surgery and I never bought that whole “now that he’s getting the good american-surgery, it’s gonna be different”-talk. So I was not surprised to see Shogun thoroughly stomped everywhere. Actually, my mouth was hanging open in astonishment when he managed to hold his own so well in the first Machida fight because I thought he took that wayyyy early, after barely coming back to decent form against Chuck.
Of course I agree though. The way Jones has demolished everyone it leaves me wondering who and what it takes to beat him as well. Somebody like Evans might at least be able to survive long enough so we can see Jones cardio become a factor as well. As I said, Rashad may actually prove to be the more effective striker against him as well due to being more healthy and dynamic and maybe less concerned about takedowns. But I’m aware I’m already grabbing at straws here. I don’t have much hope he can make it much more competitive than Bader or Hamill – let alone win it.
Right now it truly seems the division is just unprepared for a top-tier next-gen talent. The old guard has nothing for him, the other up-and-comers are not there yet and so the road seems paved for Jones. I guess that’s what the UFC gets for not having any true feeder / leagues or other development-programmes for new talent while stomping out competitors left and right. TUF seems unable to fill that void… so I guess we’ll just have to wait and see. Maybe we just haven’t seen Jones tested in the right way yet. Who would’ve thought that Lesnar’s prime weakness would be a tendency to shrink away from punches? (that it would be stand-up related was always clear though…so that’s not an ideal example as well…)
To save me some time on 25% of all threads, here's the universal answer to the Fedor-debate: Fedor is the most accomplished MMA fighter ever. That is a fact. If he still is the best fighter at this point in time is up for debate.
you have a keen ability to rationalize
im not sure you belong on this website
Jonny Bench called.
by Sterling Archer on Apr 26, 2011 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Rashad has shown weakness
We’ve seen him tagged, rocked, barely hanging on, close to the edge.
We’ve never seen Jones even get close to that.
That thought crossed my mind as a possibility as well…
"Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid." -John Wayne
Death before dishonor, drinks before lunch.
by The American Ronin on Apr 25, 2011 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions
i think its mental warfare
no doubt that jones’ pulling out and for such a stupid reason is enraging rashad. hell, its got me angry and im not getting a shot at the belt, ya know? i really do believe jonny is playing a chess match, and well. unfortunately he’s also looking like a bag of soggy douche in the process pulling out of a hot topic fight for a non-issue injury.
Jonny Bench called.
by Sterling Archer on Apr 26, 2011 7:44 AM EDT up reply actions
The PR contact on this is the former head of PR for the UFC. I’d have figured she’s have realized how badly this statement would come off and vet accordingly – at least the part about it not affecting grappling or striking.
"You should work for 15 minutes to knock your opponent out, submit him, or improve your position to give yourself the best chance of doing either." - Dan Hardy
Maybe that’s why shes the former head of PR for the UFC?
:D
by HarmlessNinja on Apr 25, 2011 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't recall anyone thinking Cain ducked Junior
people try to rehab, when it doesn’t work they elect for surgery. In the NFL it always happens.
by silent.bisonte33 on Apr 25, 2011 9:02 PM EDT reply actions
Couple of differences.
Cain doesn’t run his mouth like a hotheaded teenager. And he tore his rotator cuff.
Well...
He really didn’t really say much. Rashad just responded a lot.
Let the fighters fight, let the referees ref, but dear God, don't let the judges judge.
Take out one of those really's
Let the fighters fight, let the referees ref, but dear God, don't let the judges judge.
Cain’s injury is so, so much worse and I bet he will be in the cage before Jones, who has an injury that doesn’t effect his grappling or striking.
Ugarte: You despise me, don't you?
Rick: If I gave you any thought I probably would.
Its already been stated jones only needs about 10 weeks.
How long has cain been gone? And if it’s a tear in your hand i am sure it gets in the way somewhat, regardless of opinion.
by silent.bisonte33 on Apr 25, 2011 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions
So, the fight was already scheduled for September/October. Let’s say October, for the sake of this argument. So, Jones has the surgery and sits for 10 weeks, which he wouldn’t have to sit completely, but once again for the sake of this argument. That puts him back to work around July 1st. So he can’t be ready in four months for a fight. Nonsense.
Ugarte: You despise me, don't you?
Rick: If I gave you any thought I probably would.
Brock and Juniors fight is June 11
Cain has already targeted Oct. or Nov. Providing Dos Santos and Brock aren’t hurt we will go with Oct. If jones gets the surgery before May or even in may he can start training for a fight in August or Sept. Cain and Jones won’t be fighting that much further apart.
by silent.bisonte33 on Apr 25, 2011 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions
First, Jones should have no problem getting the surgery and being ready for an October bout with Rashad. Second, neither Davis or Rashad are going to fight for the belt in October after fighting in August. Think December.
Ugarte: You despise me, don't you?
Rick: If I gave you any thought I probably would.
Its going to be close either way
And its silly to think cain or jones will fight first when their opponents have to fight and come out unscathed first. which was sort of my argument
by silent.bisonte33 on Apr 25, 2011 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions
And my point is Jones could have the surgery today, sit for 10 weeks and still be on schedule for a late October fight with Rashad with four months of training.
Ugarte: You despise me, don't you?
Rick: If I gave you any thought I probably would.
by memitim on Apr 25, 2011 9:36 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Lot more info in this link Jamie Penick posted below (from Junkie). FIght was to be in August. Reading this, it all makes sense now.
"Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid." -John Wayne
Death before dishonor, drinks before lunch.
by The American Ronin on Apr 26, 2011 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions
That 10 week figure came from this:
[Update] MDAdvice.com suggests a healing time between 6 and 10 weeks depending on the severity of the tear in the ligament.
Reality is, we have no idea what is going on, how severe it is or how long the rehab will be. Certainly could have been handled better, but…
"Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid." -John Wayne
Death before dishonor, drinks before lunch.
by The American Ronin on Apr 25, 2011 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions
True. But, I used the worst case scenario, on an injury Jones has already said doesn’t effect his striking or grappling, had him sitting doing nothing for the whole ten weeks and he still has four months of training time if the fight was scheduled for late October. Something doesn’t make sense here.
Ugarte: You despise me, don't you?
Rick: If I gave you any thought I probably would.
by memitim on Apr 25, 2011 9:58 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Something doesn’t make sense here.
100% agree.
"Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid." -John Wayne
Death before dishonor, drinks before lunch.
by The American Ronin on Apr 26, 2011 1:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Like Jones maybe faking an injury to avoid fighting Rashad? You know, like he said he’d do.
by HarmlessNinja on Apr 26, 2011 8:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Where, specifically, did Jones say this?
Like Jones maybe faking an injury to avoid fighting Rashad? You know, like he said he’d do.
"Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid." -John Wayne
Death before dishonor, drinks before lunch.
by The American Ronin on Apr 26, 2011 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions
On that note I would like to take your bet.
Have a paypal?
by silent.bisonte33 on Apr 25, 2011 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions
done
everyone does seem to dislike this kid though. he can’t do anything right pre or post fight. so i just focus on the fact that he provides entertaining beatings for 50 dollars, 55 in HD
by silent.bisonte33 on Apr 25, 2011 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions
There's just something not right about him.
I’m not sure whether it’s just him being a 23 year-old. Or something else. Something just ain’t right.
When he was a child, he accidentally 12-to-6 elbowed himself in the head.
"If I had a dollar for every brain you don't have, I'd have one dollar." - Squidward Tentacles
He claims he didn't know he wasn't supposed to do that
…..Then headbutted the wall.
"If I had a dollar for every brain you don't have, I'd have one dollar." - Squidward Tentacles
I loved him till he mutated into a prick before our eyes in the lead up to the Rua fight.
Ugarte: You despise me, don't you?
Rick: If I gave you any thought I probably would.
....And then everyone hated him
Because he dare dominate someone from PRIDE.
"If I had a dollar for every brain you don't have, I'd have one dollar." - Squidward Tentacles
Had nothing to do with PRIDE. It could have been anyone who was a legend in the sport that he was challenging for a title. PRIDE or not, Jones turned into a prick.
Ugarte: You despise me, don't you?
Rick: If I gave you any thought I probably would.
....If he can get Vlad into the crucifix
Imagine what he could do to Jesus?
But this is all assuming Jesus doesn’t learn from his mistakes. He’s not Chael Sonnen.
"If I had a dollar for every brain you don't have, I'd have one dollar." - Squidward Tentacles
He was the same guy he'd been the whole time
He told Rogan in the Bader post-fight that he’d visualized it so much that it was like it had already happened. People just put more microphones in his face.
Not afraid to nitpick
The guy inwatched interviewed after the Vlad fight was not the same guy who was talking shit about a legend and then his mentor.
Ugarte: You despise me, don't you?
Rick: If I gave you any thought I probably would.
by memitim on Apr 25, 2011 10:41 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
i agree
cain’s injury was recent and directly affects his training and ability to fight, jonny has had this since before we knew who he was and has looked brilliant. very different situations.
Jonny Bench called.
by Sterling Archer on Apr 26, 2011 7:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Okay it's very clear Jones is not wanting to fight Rashad
And I don’t think it has to do with fear or anything like that.
He dun goofed flip-flopping on fighting teammates and this is his way of “correcting” it.
"If I had a dollar for every brain you don't have, I'd have one dollar." - Squidward Tentacles
There's no way the UFC can be happy about this
They want the Jones momentum to keep on rolling and he’s undermining their plans/sales.
"If I had a dollar for every brain you don't have, I'd have one dollar." - Squidward Tentacles
Facepalm @ this drama.
I am. I think. I will. - Ayn Rand
But I won’t pick against Jon Jones again until I see him lose. - Kwisatz Haderach
To all of us who got worked up with the drama
then a sudden let down of an injury that doesnt affect shit.
Greg Jackson just slapped our faces with a dildo.
I am. I think. I will. - Ayn Rand
But I won’t pick against Jon Jones again until I see him lose. - Kwisatz Haderach
by vivero on Apr 25, 2011 9:47 PM EDT reply actions 8 recs
He looks like Michael Moore on a heavy weight loss program
"If I had a dollar for every brain you don't have, I'd have one dollar." - Squidward Tentacles
I bet he looks like
75% of all MMA blog members.
I am. I think. I will. - Ayn Rand
But I won’t pick against Jon Jones again until I see him lose. - Kwisatz Haderach
Now that I think of it
He’s like a hybrid of Michael Moore and the new Drew Carey.
All white people look alike.
"If I had a dollar for every brain you don't have, I'd have one dollar." - Squidward Tentacles
New sig:
“I love how the dildo curls after impact”
by Gafford on Apr 25, 2011 6:53 PM PDT
"Someone is WRONG on the internet. What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!"
-Randall Munroe
by pdl on Apr 25, 2011 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions 19 recs
Classic
"If I had a dollar for every brain you don't have, I'd have one dollar." - Squidward Tentacles
Good for you man. :P
I am. I think. I will. - Ayn Rand
But I won’t pick against Jon Jones again until I see him lose. - Kwisatz Haderach
Can't... stop... looking...
On a side note. Did anyone else notice the apple?
Luke Thomas: If Pro Wrestling had a dick, you'd be the balls!
Kid Nate: ...
after 10 minutes.
I am. I think. I will. - Ayn Rand
But I won’t pick against Jon Jones again until I see him lose. - Kwisatz Haderach
I am. I think. I will. - Ayn Rand
But I won’t pick against Jon Jones again until I see him lose. - Kwisatz Haderach
Sorry man.
Didn’t mean to ruffle your feathers.
(And I’m pretty sure you didn’t use that correctly. But nice try anyway.)
It worked for me.
But just about everything does.
Luke Thomas: If Pro Wrestling had a dick, you'd be the balls!
Kid Nate: ...
They feel like bags of... sand
Luke Thomas: If Pro Wrestling had a dick, you'd be the balls!
Kid Nate: ...
Because he got an erection while you were blowing him?
by John Nash on Apr 26, 2011 1:12 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I seems Rashad was right about Jones being helpless on his back
he is cowering now
Jones, you are one cold bastard.
This is part of your mind games isnt it?
You knew if you pulled out of the fight Rashad would be confused and now you can win the fight flawlessly.
He knew all along
He tore his own tissue in college so his master plan could come into effect at this very moment.
Let the fighters fight, let the referees ref, but dear God, don't let the judges judge.
by halitosis on Apr 26, 2011 1:00 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
This sets up a perfect comeback for either Page or Machida regardless
if Machida just destroys couture, he can probably fight soon and that would open up a fight between the winner of Rashad/Davis/Jones
wow, come to think of it, we could be seeing another Sonnen/Maia/Marquart triangle
except Jon Jones is indestructble, other than his ligament between his thumb, so if I was a fighter I would aim in that region
It would be criminal for Machida to get a title shot by beating Randy
After losing two straight and “winning” the first one against Shogun.
"If I had a dollar for every brain you don't have, I'd have one dollar." - Squidward Tentacles
by SSreporters on Apr 25, 2011 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I heard Jones got the hand injury
when they drove the nail through his hand on Easter in an attempt to die for our sins. I say give him 3 days and he’ll be fine.
Just Breed!
by ScoreCardOTN on Apr 25, 2011 11:22 PM EDT reply actions 14 recs
HEYOOOOOOOO
Luke Thomas: If Pro Wrestling had a dick, you'd be the balls!
Kid Nate: ...
by TorQus on Apr 26, 2011 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
there it is, rec'd
"He seeing more holes than a gynecologist!" - The Voice
by Meth Wyzzyrd on Apr 26, 2011 1:12 AM EDT up reply actions
hahahahahaha
"What do you know about my vision? My vision will turn your world upside down, tear asunder your illusions and send the sanctuary of your own ignorance crashing down around you. Now ask yourself: Are you really ready to see that vision?"
-Huey Freeman
zzzzZZZZZZZZZZING!
Jonny Bench called.
by Sterling Archer on Apr 26, 2011 8:09 AM EDT up reply actions
This is some major BS right here. From the sound of this, it definitely sounds like Jones wanted to find a way from having to fight Rashad, and he found it with this minor hand thing. That or it was the UFC who decided to cancel the Rashad fight just because they hate him nowadays.
If the minor hand injury doesn’t affect him at all, why take the time off? And even if he needs some time to do it, why wouldn’t he be ready for a september/october fight, like it was planned? It doesn’t make any sense, there’s definitely some hidden motive behind all this.
For those that haven't seen it
Jones manager goes into more detail on this with MMAJunkie this morning. UFC was targeting the fight for 133 in August, not September or October, and Jones may be out until November. Lots more here.
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