Jon Jones Pulls Out With Injury, Phil Davis Steps In to Fight Rashad Evans at UFC 133
by Mike Fagan on Apr 25, 2011 1:32 PM EDT
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Put the grudge match on hold. Neil Davidson of the Canadian Press broke news on Twitter that Jon Jones has pulled out of his first title defense against former teammate Rashad Evans. John Morgan of MMA Junkie added that Jones "is facing a lengthy recovery from a torn right-hand ligament suffered in his title win."
Phil Davis will step in to fight Evans, which will do little to dispel the inability of some fans to differentiate between Jones and himself. There has been no official announcement, but MMA Junkie reports that the bout is expected to take place at UFC 133 in Philadelphia.
I'm curious as to why it took so long for this news to break. It's been over a month since Jones wrestled the light heavyweight title away from Mauricio Rua.
This is a huge blow for the UFC, who now has to face the possibility of their two marquee divisions stalled with serious injuries to Jones and heavyweight champion Cain Velasquez.
The biggest loser in all of this, of course, is Rashad Evans. Evans chose to sit out and wait for former champ Mauricio Rua as the latter recovered from a knee injury suffered in his UFC 113 title victory over Lyoto Machida. During training for the bout, Evans suffered a knee injury of his own, and the UFC replaced him with stablemate Jones.
Comments from Jones made to the media caused a rift at Jackson's Submission Fighting, ultimately leading to Evans leaving the camp following Jones' victory over Rua at UFC 128. Facing nearly 15 months of inaction, Evans can't afford to turn down another fight.
Phil Davis is undefeated in nine fights, and he last defeated Antonio Rogerio Nogueira by unanimous decision at the UFC Fight Night: Seattle.
[Update] The UFC confirmed Evans vs. Davis for UFC 133 on Twitter:
Forget what you thought you knew! Philly. UFC 133. @PhilMrWonderful Davis vs. @SugaRashadEvans details soon on http://www.ufc.com
[Update] MDAdvice.com suggests a healing time between 6 and 10 weeks depending on the severity of the tear in the ligament.
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GOD DAMN IT ALL
The key is to hit the guy in the jaw really hard before the other guy does it to you.
by FreeLightningLee on Apr 25, 2011 1:23 PM EDT reply actions 7 recs
Davis is going to get worked.
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by Derek Suboticki on Apr 25, 2011 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
agreed
we should start working on new nicknames for him…
phil ‘mr shouldnt have taken that fight’ davis
phil ‘too much too soon – joe rogan’ davis
phil ‘whoopsie’ davis… i like that one
Jonny Bench called.
by Sterling Archer on Apr 25, 2011 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
off to youtube
To watch best of clay davis
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by rocket8188 on Apr 25, 2011 5:59 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee...
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Ahh… Davis why on Earth would you accept this match? You yourself said that you needed time to work on your skills, which you do, and no, you don’t want to get in there with a top 5 LHW no!
I don't know, man.
Phil has great takedown defense, and Rashad always gets worn out by the 3’rd round in any wrestling- centric fight. I think if Davis could work his kicks to the legs and body (accelerate Rashad’s fatigue), avoid getting clocked hard, stuff some takedowns, and land some of his own… I think Mr. Wonderful could pull it off. ESPECIALLY if Rashad doesn’t train at Jackson’s for this fight.
I don’t favor Davis, but he definitely has a route to victory.
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by ElliotMatheny on Apr 25, 2011 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions
His hands are definitely better.
If Rashad keeps it standing and boxes Davis, he will probably win.
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by ElliotMatheny on Apr 25, 2011 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Its the Same situation as Cain Velasquez
If those injuries occured during the fights it would have been noted during the medical suspentions. The reason for the late news is because of Health Insurance issues. If they got injured “during” the match then the UFC covers them. If in training then they have to go buy the hookup system.
This is a bright spot for the philly card because sandwiched in between 2 huge cards there was nothing of merit to throw on this event, even though this still doesn’t completely cut the mustard.
I am vorn the unspeakable the skulls of those who defy me bleach in the suns of hundreds of worlds...... and you are
It really says something
when the top fighter in one of the top revenue-generating divisions in the top promotion in MMA has to resort to insurance fraud to get his work-related medical bills paid.
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its combat sports man
Pro wrestling goes throught the same plight. I know its two different things but the structure is the same. if the UFC paid for all 250+ medical expenses for every instance they would be crippled. In other pro sports the Teams pick up those tabs the UFC is the one entity.
I am vorn the unspeakable the skulls of those who defy me bleach in the suns of hundreds of worlds...... and you are
Even for their champions?
I mean, I can understand that not every guy on the undercard is going to get full benefits, but they can’t make medical expenses for training mishaps a perk for champions during their stay at the top?
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Its like Most things involving the UFC
They look out for their top guys on the sly. But ask yourself this, do you think when Todd Duffee pulled out due to injury they paid for it….They cut him!
I am vorn the unspeakable the skulls of those who defy me bleach in the suns of hundreds of worlds...... and you are
Probably not for those on original contracts, or contracts signed well before they were “in the mix”.
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by The American Ronin on Apr 26, 2011 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions
That's a heck of an assumption
Not saying it isn’t true, because we don’t know, but I recall Jones saying he hurt his hand against Rua in the post-fight.
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by Cory Braiterman on Apr 25, 2011 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions
If that was the case
He would have been medically suspended and this fight would have never been booked.
I am vorn the unspeakable the skulls of those who defy me bleach in the suns of hundreds of worlds...... and you are
...or he tried to rehab it
And opted for surgery/more time instead
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by Derek Suboticki on Apr 25, 2011 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I believe that
I’m just saying an event was being built on an uncertainty and that is a poor practice on the UFC’s part.
I am vorn the unspeakable the skulls of those who defy me bleach in the suns of hundreds of worlds...... and you are
But that's the most simple explanation
and therefore can’t possibly be true.
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If I had to bet on anything he probably was not really using it, it started to feel better, he started hitting the bag and immediately had problems with it.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 25, 2011 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Or he's just now coming down from the adrenaline rush
of being the youngest UFC champ evar.
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by lowellthehammer on Apr 25, 2011 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d wager on an irrational belief in prayer.
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by Derek Suboticki on Apr 25, 2011 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
He hurt his hand doing this
With long arms like Jones injury is inevitable while listening to Tom Jones.
by BrothaDarkness on Apr 25, 2011 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I CALLED THIS BACK AT THE WEIGH INS (john vs shogun fight)CHECK MY PAST COMMENT!!
Win title= then get injured.
VTEC GEEZZZZZUSSSSS!!!!
by Gomz on Apr 25, 2011 2:54 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
http://mobile.bloodyelbow.com/2011/3/18/2057986/ufc-128-weigh-in-video-and-results
I want my prize now lol
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by Gomz on Apr 25, 2011 3:12 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
...
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by CasualMMAFan on Apr 25, 2011 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Bummer
Was really looking forward to this fight, despite my strong feeling that Jones was going to cruise.
Davis-Evans is likely to be more competitive, but it’s not something I can get that jazzed for.
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by LRaunThaDamaja on Apr 25, 2011 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions
its still tired.
I tend to be biased towards strikers . . . exciting strikers.
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VEe is ANIMated!
by VeeisAnimated on Apr 25, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
This is true.
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by Richard Wade on Apr 25, 2011 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions
even in defeat, SHOGUN WILL MAME YOUR ASS AND PUT YOU OUT OF COMMISSION! WAR SHOGUN!!!
by zuffazombie on Apr 25, 2011 1:26 PM EDT reply actions 16 recs
I don’t know that being unable to defend against so much unanswered punishment that your opponent’s hands fall apart is really that much of an endorsement.
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by JoshSBooks on Apr 25, 2011 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
oh it was a horrible fight for shogun but even in defeat, he’s dangerous!
Most other fighters would have went down the first round and it’s not shogun’s fault that jones techniques is lacking and he resorts to his inhuman strenght and agility which led him to tearing his shit. All his other fights he didnt have the chance to injure himself because he was fighting little children compared to Shogun and so even in defeat Shogun will put your ass out of commission.
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he resorts to his inhuman strenght and agility
. . . Come on . . . put that to rest.
Jones did not put Bonnar away. Look at the 2nd and 3rd round of that fight, Bonnar was still there.
I tend to be biased towards strikers . . . exciting strikers.
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VEe is ANIMated!
by VeeisAnimated on Apr 25, 2011 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
This
I’m getting real, real tired of people taking pot-shots at Jones’ skill set by simply attributing all the amazing things he does to his physique.
Tatum: I think he's a good man. I like him. I got nothing against him, but I'm definitely gonna make orphans of his children.
by Dave Strummer on Apr 25, 2011 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
When will people understand
Jones doesn’t spend countless hours watching video and practicing new techniques.
He doesn’t use creative techniques in every position that no one else ever thought of because he’s smart. He does it because he has long arms.
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by TheFilt on Apr 25, 2011 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
He's also pretty tall
And athleticism is cheating.
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Apr 25, 2011 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
the word you were looking for is “explosive”…
by Danthemmaman on Apr 25, 2011 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
why are people seriously responding and becoming offended by what are obviously joke posts
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It was a funny joke
but so many people actually believe that line of thinking.
"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."
It is a common injury
caused by eye-raking.
Just Breed!
by ScoreCardOTN on Apr 25, 2011 11:12 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
It is called the Fujita Fighting System
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by Kid Khaos on Apr 25, 2011 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
maim
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by Cory Braiterman on Apr 25, 2011 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I read it as "NAME YOUR ASS"
and figured it was some new hip-hop slang that I’m out of the loop on.
Tatum: I think he's a good man. I like him. I got nothing against him, but I'm definitely gonna make orphans of his children.
by Dave Strummer on Apr 25, 2011 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
just cuz I'm also old and white :(
Then again, I run a music store in the inner city, so shrug.
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by Cory Braiterman on Apr 25, 2011 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I like it a lot
If you hate on the new diss I’mma name your ass.
by Tedd Welch on Apr 25, 2011 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
It's like a sig bet
Winner gets naming rights to the loser’s ass. I’m surprised you didn’t know about this; it’s a pretty well-established MMA tradition. For example, Tank Abbott’s butt has been named “Jennifer” ever since the submission loss to Mir.
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by JoshSBooks on Apr 25, 2011 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
you're welcome, crackhead
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by Cory Braiterman on Apr 25, 2011 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
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Actually
Even with torn ligaments in hand jones will make you tap to strikes. That seems more appropriate
by silent.bisonte33 on Apr 25, 2011 1:32 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I knew something like this was coming.
Only so much good MMA news can come about before shitty news rises up and pisses everyone off.
This is a Strikeforce level move
Phil Davis would get a title shot if he beats Rashad? That’s stupid they should have at least put someone like Forrest, Rampage, I don’t know Ryan Bader? This is a stupid fight.
by Hashmo on Apr 25, 2011 1:26 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
How would Davis not be deserving if he beats Rashad?
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Apr 25, 2011 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
It's a little fast for Phil
but not crazy. If he loses – back to the drawing board. If he wins, Rashad is a very legit opponent.
Tatum: I think he's a good man. I like him. I got nothing against him, but I'm definitely gonna make orphans of his children.
by Dave Strummer on Apr 25, 2011 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions
This has the makings off being a really great fight, it just depends on who will end out on top once it hits the mat.
My favorite K1 fighter:
Yuta Kubo the best 70kg striker in the world.
by Untitled_Artistry on Apr 25, 2011 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Davis's wrestling is far superior to Rashad's, I think
I have a hard time seeing Davis on his back against Rashad unless Rashad rocks or drops him.
by StephenDedalus on Apr 25, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Rashad has learned how to mix takedowns with striking...
Far better than Phil or most MMArtists in general.
Fitch is awesome, I don't care what you think...
Bones Jones, future greatest MMAist ever.
On the flip side, Phil is bigger and stronger
and seems to have done a much better job working subs into his game. I think’s Rashad is crafty enough to take this fight on experience, but it is an interesting matchup for sure.
Tatum: I think he's a good man. I like him. I got nothing against him, but I'm definitely gonna make orphans of his children.
by Dave Strummer on Apr 25, 2011 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Dude
Rashad’s a black belt.
Just cause he’s never even tried to submit someone(not even once), you think Davis is better?
"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."
I don't think I knew that about Rashad
Just from what I’ve seen of both of them, Phil is more dangerous with (or maybe interested in) subs.
Tatum: I think he's a good man. I like him. I got nothing against him, but I'm definitely gonna make orphans of his children.
by Dave Strummer on Apr 25, 2011 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Hah -- my meter is broke
but yeah, in the course of this post, I’ve talked myself into being pretty interested in how this fight goes down.
Tatum: I think he's a good man. I like him. I got nothing against him, but I'm definitely gonna make orphans of his children.
by Dave Strummer on Apr 25, 2011 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Rashad schools him
Evans is so athletic, well-rounded and prepared; its hard for me to see anyone having an easy time with him.
I don’t think Phil is the much better of an MMA wrestler at this point, and his stand up game is far behind. Rashad also has such a great transition game, that’s something Phil has seemed to struggle a but with.
In the end, I think Rashad is just too much, too soon. His stand up is dangerous for any LHW not from Brazil. He’s got excellent game planning and very good wrestling himself. I just can’t see Phil dominating him enough on the mat to win a decision.
"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."
Evans is so athletic, well-rounded and prepared; its hard for me to see anyone having an easy time with him.
You forgot explosive.
Conducting an experiment on knocking people out in particular ways would be unethical.
I hate Goldie
Because in Rashad’s case, it really is a significant attribute.
Rodney Wallace…. not so much.
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We all hate Goldberg
I believe the day you begin to hate Mike Goldberg is like a rite of passage for any MMA fan.
Conducting an experiment on knocking people out in particular ways would be unethical.
by Chris Hall on Apr 25, 2011 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
"I was hating Mike Goldberg before it was cool."
Goldberg was almost signed by the WWE.
Just think, we could have swapped him for JR.
"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."
When was it not cool to hate Goldie
Conducting an experiment on knocking people out in particular ways would be unethical.
may goldie live in interesting times?
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by Cory Braiterman on Apr 25, 2011 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
It may be Scottish as well,
but I have read it is an old Chinese curse…
"Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid." -John Wayne
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by The American Ronin on Apr 25, 2011 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions
i love Goldie
they need to make Rogan the play by play guy. bring Couture or Mir in for Analysis and let Goldie be the hype/pitch/set-up man he was meant to be.
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by F'n Clownshoes on Apr 25, 2011 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Another issue
Phil was injured coming into the Nog fight and says he has a new small injury after it.
I don’t think he’s getting the rest his body needs to out last a guy like Rashad.
"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."
I agree
but I still see him having a hard time putting Davis on his back.
by StephenDedalus on Apr 25, 2011 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m assuming Rashad would look to keep this one on the feet. I’m interested in whether he’ll be able to stuff Phil’s takedowns at all. He can exploit Davis with striking, but not if he’s on his back for the whole 15 minutes.
Fitch is awesome, I don't care what you think...
Bones Jones, future greatest MMAist ever.
that's a slly statement...
Davis went 0 for 5 on double legs in the first…then 4 of 6 on singles in the second and third. He made an in-fight adjustment and owned the rest of the fight. That’s the mark of an extremely high level wrestler to me…
by John Danaher's Hair on Apr 25, 2011 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
We'll see...
Nog had been training takedown defense with Mark Munoz for his entire camp (don’t forget, Brilz was a last-minute replacement for Forrest), and there was a lot of talk that Davis suffered an injury that hampered his takedown ability.
In any event, I’m a lot more concerned about Davis’s striking defense. Even if Davis can take Rashad down (and I think he can), I don’t know if he can avoid getting lit up with punches while they’re standing.
This is my main concern, too.
He seems to have a chin under that goatee, though: Gustaffson ain’t no punk. And I’d like to see if his wonderjitsu works off his back.
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by some schmuck in texas on Apr 25, 2011 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Rashad is better
At everything MMA related at this point in his career.
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rashad was barley a .500 wrestler at the d-1 level.
Phil a 4 time d-1 all american ( Rashad not even once at the d-1 level, not even close ). Phil will win the wrestling, and rashads bjj will not be a threat, lil nogs bjj is better than Rashad and he couldn’t even come close to threatening Phil. Im not going to be shocked, but I think a lot of people are after this fight.
by psuwrestler99 on Apr 25, 2011 5:58 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
didnt you say Badder was a better mma-wrestler than jones?
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by the-gentle-way on Apr 25, 2011 6:42 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
How is this a stupid fight?
It’s unfortunate that Jones got hurt but your solution is to put guys already booked for other fights in his place?
What makes this fight stupid? The fact that it’s the proven veteran versus the rising young star? The fact that it’s a compelling style matchup? What?
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Fewer rematches!
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by Richard Wade on Apr 25, 2011 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Forrest has his fight and so does Rampage.
Why Bader he recently got is arse whooped
Phil Davis vs Rashad makes sense at least for the short term
I see Rampage getting the title shot if Davis pust Rashad away and if Rashad wins hell he continues with his title shot.
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If Davis has been pushed too early
so did Bones then…
not always will those who dumps on you be your enemies
and not always will those who take you out of shit be your friends
Bones was pushed very early
However every test he was given he blew out of the water.
Phil Davis had one test to date (Big Nog Junyur), and while he passed it, he didn’t steamroll him the way Jon “John” Jones smashed everyone he’s faced.
Nog isn't the type of fighter to push around
people don’t give him enough respect. Davis won against a very top fighter in Lil’ Nog, he should be commended instead he gets that type of answer you gave. that’s just sad…
not always will those who dumps on you be your enemies
and not always will those who take you out of shit be your friends
Lil’ Nog was very good in that fight. I think people dismiss his performance far to easily. Davis didn’t make Nog look good, Nog made Nog look good in that fight and Davis beating him was a solid win.
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Say what you will
Rashad will derail the Phil Davis hype train,
I sincerely hope Phil Davis gets by Rashad, I want to see Rashad face Jones less than Davis.
PHIL DAVIS IS NO JON JONES. PERIOD
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by halitosis on Apr 25, 2011 2:24 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Bingo! Working out a win against Nog is not a knock on any fighter. He is one of the best in the LHW division and would give any of them fits, including Jones.
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by memitim on Apr 25, 2011 2:29 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I still don’t get why Davis gets flack for the Lil Nog fight. He took the fight on short notice, adjusted mid-fight, and ended up winning a unanimous decision in his 9th MMA fight. The comparisons between Davis and Jones is ridiculous, but it is going to keep being seen and mentioned.
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If they get pushed too early...
…but still beat the champ, does that make them less of a champ because they didn’t “wait in line”?
I’ve always been (sincerely) confused about that.
that's not my argument
not always will those who dumps on you be your enemies
and not always will those who take you out of shit be your friends
Ah, this was just a righteous question
Didn’t know if anyone could shed light on it.
It generally pertains to someone who wasnt ready
But if it turns out they won, then more power to them. Jones had tons of hype, and was able to back it up. If a guy loses a fight when it was “too early” then he is screwed as that makes it much harder for a young guy to reach the title picture.
Let the fighters fight, let the referees ref, but dear God, don't let the judges judge.
by halitosis on Apr 25, 2011 2:27 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
good question
If he wins, he is a deserving champion. The only exception would be a super-flukey win, like the champ does a Patrick Cote and blows his knee out just hopping around.
The Jon Fitches and Yushin Okamis of the world will hate him though. :)
I consider myself a softcore fan.
Huh? This is what happens when injuries occur Hashmo… Phil Davis just defeated a top ten fighter in Lil Nog, and should def be in the , well if this guy gets injured who can we use boast… If anything this is a UFC LEVEL MOVE, because only the UFC can replace a top 10 fighter, with another one. Sheesh, some things will never make you peopl ehappy…
ONE - they're moving mr. wonderful along WAY to fast
TWO – rashad really effed up his career. waiters wait. fighters fight.
by fontgangsta on Apr 25, 2011 1:26 PM EDT reply actions 11 recs
totatly agree
He needs time to improve his technique, he’s been fighting non stop and it really showed in this last match.
by squaresphere on Apr 25, 2011 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions
On the other hand...
…Davis is making chicken salad. He can be considered the anti-Rashad, or the Rashad from the alternate universe. Or Bizzarro Rashad. Or Rashad with the evil goatee.
Point is, Wonderful ain’t waiting. He’s seizing opportunities. Respect.
by INGO B on Apr 25, 2011 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
…Davis is making chicken salad
/thread
by John Danaher's Hair on Apr 25, 2011 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Well damn thats no bueno still it SUCKS to be Rashad he clearly has made the wrong decision
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by dancingChicken on Apr 25, 2011 1:27 PM EDT reply actions 15 recs
Flagged for sadness
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by spectaa on Apr 25, 2011 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
Thats not as bad as the “Some times you lose some along the way” Duck picture.
Kimbo wants to take your caterpiller and do bad things to it.
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by Dave Strummer on Apr 25, 2011 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
This is perfect, but it also really bummed me out.
What's this war in the heart of nature? Why does nature vie with itself? The land contend with the sea? Is there an avenging power in nature? Not one power, but two?
by Kwisatz Haderach on Apr 25, 2011 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Jones did say he thought he hurt his hand
After the fight. He probably just waited to see how it’d feel. I like Phil Davis and dislike Rashad but i see evans winning this. Side note, i love that rashad has to wait again.
by silent.bisonte33 on Apr 25, 2011 1:27 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I hope Rashad loses
Just so it will take a REALLY long time for him to get another shot.
Let the fighters fight, let the referees ref, but dear God, don't let the judges judge.
by halitosis on Apr 25, 2011 2:30 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
wouldnt it be better to see how some of the fights pan out coming up like rampage/hammil – machida/couture
by hewsdaddy on Apr 25, 2011 1:29 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
yes better to let him fight then to keep him hidden for another 6 months
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BAH!
Obviously Jones is ducking Evans..
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by MSEMCEE on Apr 25, 2011 1:29 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
WHEN ARE WE EVER GOING TO SEE DAVIS AND JONES IN THE SAME ROOM TOGETHER AT THE SAME TIME?!
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by Cory Braiterman on Apr 25, 2011 1:30 PM EDT reply actions 8 recs
HORSESHIT!!!!1
Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."
this is why I love Twitter
instant information. though this sucks balls
by myups88car on Apr 25, 2011 1:30 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
This sucks
I wonder how long this “lengthy recovery” will take. Jones was probably trying to rehab the hand and found out that it wasn’t improving. Sounds like he might need surgery.
This is what I don’t get. So they were already talking about September – October for Jones – Evans, and now Jones has this minor injury that should take like two months to rehab. Why is there suddenly not enough time to wait until the fall for the fight? Let’s say the healing takes up May and June, then he’d have three or four whole months to train before he’d have to fight. I don’t know, there’s something fishy about this. Torn ligament in the hand is not something you’ll be out a year from.
by Horselover Fat on Apr 25, 2011 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
Timeline
It does seem a bit funky.
"I am going to punch faces." --Wanderlei Silva
War Miller Bros.
I questioned that too
Because Jones beat Bader then dominated Shogun 6 weeks later. I mean, he was already in shape, but that’s a short time to get ready for a fight, this would give him longer than six weeks to prepare and I think he would be fine. Maybe Dana is mad at Rashad for waiting.
Let the fighters fight, let the referees ref, but dear God, don't let the judges judge.
by halitosis on Apr 25, 2011 2:34 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Rashad takes it.
He can keep this fight standing and has much better boxing.
"I don't worry much about losing. What's so bad about losing? I'll fight again, I'll still get paid and hot chicks will still have sex with me for no good reason."
Well, I guess it isn't all bad news for Rashad.
He can go back to Jackson’s to train for this fight now!
by Jeffigatame on Apr 25, 2011 1:31 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 2 recs
So Phil Davis was...in the mix? =/
I hope Shad whoops him down and still gets to fight Jones.
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Man
I don’t like this fight at all. Too much too soon for Davis,
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-Huey Freeman
Solid matchup
Winner provides a solid challenge for Jones, obviously Rashad moreso than Davis. Either one of them have the ability to put Jones on his back and work him for 5 rounds.
disagree
jones will outwrestle either of them
Jonny Bench called.
by Sterling Archer on Apr 25, 2011 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I suppose we'll see
But that on-the-fly shit Davis pulled against Nog isn’t going to cut it here.
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by Derek Suboticki on Apr 25, 2011 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Phil is setting himself up here bad
Didn’t he attribute his poor performace against Nog to an injury. He said he would take time off and now he jumps into this HUGE fight? This doesn’t make sense and this is a bad move by the UFC because they detract one of their commodities.
I am vorn the unspeakable the skulls of those who defy me bleach in the suns of hundreds of worlds...... and you are
It makes sense
Because a) his bosses asked him to, b) he might win and c) he’ll make a bunch of money.
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by Derek Suboticki on Apr 25, 2011 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Plus
It would have been kind of rotten to extend Rashad’s inactive streak (kind of his fault, I know). Forrest and Shogun are booked, he already beat Rampage, so who was a better option?
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by Derek Suboticki on Apr 25, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I could see Jones possibly landing a throw on Davis, which I suppose would count as out-wrestling him, but Jones is not on Davis’ level when it comes to wrestling.
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I could see Jones possibly landing a throw on Davis, which I suppose would count as out-wrestling him, but Jones is not on Davis’ level when it comes to wrestling.
Jones’ wrestling is not on Davis’ level like GSP’s is not on Kos’ level… Folkstyle match, Davis and Kos probably win, submission grappling or MMA Wrestling, not so much.
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by The American Ronin on Apr 25, 2011 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions
We've heard about a lot of guys who are supposed to be on another level of wrestling from Jones.
I think at this point its safe to say that from an MMA standpoint, he’s at the very top level, regardless of what anyone did in college when dudes weren’t trying to hit them in the mouth.
Tatum: I think he's a good man. I like him. I got nothing against him, but I'm definitely gonna make orphans of his children.
by Dave Strummer on Apr 25, 2011 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I would put GSP, Jones and Cain above everyone else in MMA Wrestling.
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by The American Ronin on Apr 25, 2011 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions
yup, yup, and yup
YUUUUUUUUPP!
Jonny Bench called.
by Sterling Archer on Apr 26, 2011 8:20 AM EDT up reply actions
??
how many world class wrestlers must jones out wrestle before we can just agree that he can out wrestle world class wrestlers
Jonny Bench called.
by Sterling Archer on Apr 26, 2011 8:18 AM EDT up reply actions
EitherNeither one of them have the ability to put Jones on his back and work him for 5 rounds.
fixed.
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by Dave Strummer on Apr 25, 2011 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Either Neither one of them have the ability to put Jones on his back and work him for 5 rounds belong in the ring with Jones.
Archer’d
Jonny Bench called.
by Sterling Archer on Apr 25, 2011 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
They definitely both have the ability to do so
doesn’t mean they will. I know everyone is convinced that Jon Jones could fistfight God to a standstill (or a split decision) but you can’t deny that Davis and Evans have a chance to try and wrestlefuck Jones for 5 rounds. Cause you can be damn sure they are not gonna stand and trade with him.
by HeadKickOfDoom on Apr 25, 2011 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd take God at -300 and feel really good about it
In all seriousness though, while I don’t think Jones is unbeatable, I also don’t think the recipe to beat him is to try and wrestlefuck him to a standstill.
How many high-level MMA wrestlers does he have to manhandle and rag-doll before we say that it is very unlikely that ANYONE at 205 is going to be able to consistently take Jones down, or keep him there.
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by Dave Strummer on Apr 25, 2011 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I dunno, man
I’ve seen Jones against the best MT striker in the division, and he destroyed him. Maybe fighting fire with fire is the best way – if you can’t at least hold your own in wrestling, you get outwrestled, period.
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by Derek Suboticki on Apr 25, 2011 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
maybe the answer is a really high-level BJJ guy
because it’s just ludicrous how badly Bones abuses good wrestlers. Maybe in a couple years when Roger Gracie gets a few more fights under his belt, he can tie Jones up and give him something to worry about.
Tatum: I think he's a good man. I like him. I got nothing against him, but I'm definitely gonna make orphans of his children.
by Dave Strummer on Apr 25, 2011 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Roger Gracie would get annihilated on the feet with no real avenue to get it to the ground
Not afraid to nitpick
Let me be clear
I wouldn’t pick any 205er currently fighting against Jones. But at least Roger would have a path to victory. Jones has taken most (all?) of his opponents down at some point. And if it did hit the mat, Roger has the tools to potentially do something interesting with those long limbs.
I’d prefer to see that than Jones making another D-1 wrestler look like a kid.
Tatum: I think he's a good man. I like him. I got nothing against him, but I'm definitely gonna make orphans of his children.
by Dave Strummer on Apr 25, 2011 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions
If it hits the mats, Roger by RNC.
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by the-gentle-way on Apr 25, 2011 3:49 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Lawal by UD and they never leave their feet.
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by The American Ronin on Apr 25, 2011 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I think he may knock Roger out.
Like you said, mostly likely this fight doesn’t hit the mat. Roger’s got decent TD’s. but Lawal is no Trevor Prangley.
From what I’ve seen of Roger’s stand up, he’s got a decent jab and OK footwork. But that’s about it.
I think Lawal has the chin to take whatever Gracie can hit hit with, and knock him out with a counter right hand.
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sig bet?
I got Roger.
Lawal gasses,Roger trips him and then the “Jaws” theme starts playing. Followed by a body triangle and then a Mata Leo.
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by the-gentle-way on Apr 25, 2011 6:49 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Exactly.
We have all seen what happens to people when you decide you want to stand and trade with Jones. But we haven’t seen him put on his back and have to work. You know that was Rashad’s gameplan before the injury, to press Jones against the cage and work for takedowns. Maybe test his gas tank for 5 rounds. Aside from that, what other formula can you use to try and beat him?
by HeadKickOfDoom on Apr 25, 2011 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
subs?
my point is between Hamil, Bader and Vladdy (not to mention Vera, who has some pretty solid greco credentials) he has been in against some very, very good wrestlers, and, while I may be mis-remembering, I don’t think any of them took him down once.
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by Dave Strummer on Apr 25, 2011 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions
You are right
He ran through those guys like a lawnmower through dogshit, but I still think it maybe the only way to beat him. Even with a high level BJJ guy, you run the risk of Bones using his excellent top control and brutal GnP to ruin your face for like (ask Brandon Vera). Everyone talks about how he was leaving his arms out when he was rearranging Vera’s face from guard, but was it due to inexperience, or was did he just not feel threatened by Vera on his back? You might be onto something tho.
by HeadKickOfDoom on Apr 25, 2011 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions
O’Brien too, and no, he has never been taken down. JOB was 0/6 or 0/8 or something like that.
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by The American Ronin on Apr 25, 2011 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions
At some point you just have to figure that wrestlers don’t have the best chances against him. I’d like to see a really good jitz guy show some offense from his back against Jones. Of course, Jones may decide to keep any such guy standing for the entire fight, but still, it’d be interesting.
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by Dave Strummer on Apr 25, 2011 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions
solid point
it was not too long ago that bones was doing an interview saying he wished he could fight someone that wasnt a wrestler because all they kept doing is matching him up against high level wrestlers and he felt he had proven himself to pass those tests (which he did with flying colors). after this interview they gave him bader…..yet another wrestler. im with you, wrestlers dont seem to be his kryptonite.
Jonny Bench called.
by Sterling Archer on Apr 25, 2011 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Didn’t I read recently that he was quitting MMA, or was that the scotch?
"Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid." -John Wayne
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by The American Ronin on Apr 25, 2011 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions
if so, we're drinking the same thing
I saw that over the weekend I thought.
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by Dave Strummer on Apr 25, 2011 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions
And you know damn well Archer is drinking scotch too, although he is probably too busy eye-banging the locals in the Alabama or Europe to catch the weekend mma news…
"Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid." -John Wayne
Death before dishonor, drinks before lunch.
by The American Ronin on Apr 25, 2011 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions
im putting the finishing touches on this christmas present i forgot about this is the longest subject line ever, the scotch is ok, not great, but far from awful. balls.
Jonny Bench called.
by Sterling Archer on Apr 25, 2011 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions
It is a fine choice for a mid-day Monday scotch…and don’t worry, Anka will wait for you…
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by The American Ronin on Apr 25, 2011 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions
shes good like that
Jonny Bench called.
by Sterling Archer on Apr 25, 2011 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Jones has never been taken down in the UFC, and I don’t see Rashad doing it, probably not Davis either after more closely watching him.
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by The American Ronin on Apr 25, 2011 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Consarnit
Guys who win titles seem to get injured more then guys who don’t win titles or maybe they don’t have the same incentive to fight injured as everyone else.
They wouldn't risk their title if they're not 100%
Let the fighters fight, let the referees ref, but dear God, don't let the judges judge.
by halitosis on Apr 25, 2011 3:37 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
i hear ya
but in the event that shogun wins no one is trying to see shogun v jones 2 yet… shogun fanboys still believe, but the rest of us grounded in reality know at this point it would just be record padding for jones.
Jonny Bench called.
by Sterling Archer on Apr 25, 2011 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
because if Shogun wins
he can make a case for rematch against Bones, and the UFC would have a hard time selling that fight since Bones dominated the whole fight.
not always will those who dumps on you be your enemies
and not always will those who take you out of shit be your friends
by Orcus on Apr 25, 2011 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
rec’d for simulanteousness
Jonny Bench called.
by Sterling Archer on Apr 25, 2011 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
ha
my post is still above yours :p
not always will those who dumps on you be your enemies
and not always will those who take you out of shit be your friends
really?
not on my screen
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by Sterling Archer on Apr 25, 2011 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
doh!
not always will those who dumps on you be your enemies
and not always will those who take you out of shit be your friends
archer'd
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by Cory Braiterman on Apr 25, 2011 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
because
should Rashad beat Jones, you would have taken away his first pressing title challenger. Say Rashad wins, boom huge build up to the Shogun fight. Rashad was knocked out by Machida, Machida was knocked out by Shogun. Now it has come full circle with Shogun’s challenging of Rashad.
by disinferno06 on Apr 25, 2011 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Rashad should get some ring rust out here then be better prepared for jones this is too soon for davis
by Jarrydmirri on Apr 25, 2011 1:36 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
That's what I was thinking too
This actually works much better for Rashad to knock off the rust against a guy isn’t quite ready but has good grappling as a tune up for fighting Bones.
by squaresphere on Apr 25, 2011 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Why do people keep saying too soon all the time? The UFC is the cream of the crop, if you can’t hang then you need to get out of the way for someone who can.He is 5-0, iI say if he can keep winning them, then keep giving him tough fights.
Anthony pettis said it Best “I’m only here for tough fights, if i wanted an easy fight i wouldn’t have shown up”
by TheBiggertheyare... on Apr 25, 2011 1:37 PM EDT reply actions
Phil needed to go against a Matt Hamill or a Bader first. That said if he wins here he deserves a title shot. And by title shot I mean ass whooping at the hands of Jones. In fact IF thats a huge IF Davis wins I’d still rather see the winner of the Rampage fight or Machida fight Jones….even tho Machida vs couture won’t tell us anything.
what just happened here?
Conducting an experiment on knocking people out in particular ways would be unethical.
Huh.
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by tito (eight and oh) on Apr 25, 2011 1:37 PM EDT reply actions
Maybe they butt heads going in for TD’s lol
2 rams charging!
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by xFenixKnightx on Apr 25, 2011 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
No he doesnt but if they go for the take down attempt at the same time, crash bam wammo double KO. I think thats what Fenix meant.
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Always love it how much this guy hates fighting. Can Zuffa send us an intern that isn’t in Peter Dropick’s office?
by Jonathan Snowden on Apr 25, 2011 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
peter dropkick?
That is cool last name.
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by the-gentle-way on Apr 25, 2011 1:46 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
"2 blankets set fo battle"
Equals one hell of a fight (Nik Lentz vs Waylon Lower)
by rscott94 on Apr 25, 2011 1:45 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
NOOOOOOOO.
Phil’s not ready! Don’t do this!
Fuuuuck I hope Phil works on his boxing….if Rashad beats my favorite fighter I may have to hate him again.
damn LHW champion curse
Lyoto wins, then is injured – then loses
Shogun wins, then is injured – then loses
Bones wins, then is injured – then loses?
not always will those who dumps on you be your enemies
and not always will those who take you out of shit be your friends
by Orcus on Apr 25, 2011 1:41 PM EDT reply actions 7 recs
Orcus..
That is some heavy shit……. mind=blown
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by the-gentle-way on Apr 25, 2011 1:44 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
WHY PHIL DAVIS!!!!!!
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by Warhand on Apr 25, 2011 1:44 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Bummed and not happy about the replacement
Davis needs a lot more seasoning. But the timing is bad. Rua and Forrest are busy. Machida’s busy. No one cares about Little Nog anymore. Bader has deal with Tito for some reason.
What they could do is give Davis to Hammill and do another Evans/Rampage match. I didn’t really understand the why QRP and Matt were matched up to begin with.
I can think of some good match ups from across the brand in SF. Mousasi and Evans would be interesting but Babalu and Suga would be hot!
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Really?
I’d bet a year salary against babalu in that matchup. I think he’d have almost no shot.
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by KingBrody on Apr 25, 2011 2:06 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I don't know you could lay me enough odds
to bet on Babalu. Maybe I’ll bet a dollar at -2500
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by Cory Braiterman on Apr 25, 2011 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Phil Davis was just talking about taking a bunch of time off to sharpen his skills. Phil “company man” Davis.
by Nick Thomas on Apr 25, 2011 1:52 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
Rec'd for 100% troof
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by Cory Braiterman on Apr 25, 2011 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions
They’re trying to get Davis on the MMA Hour on MMAFighting.com at the end of the show but nothing confirmed
Be like water making its way through cracks. Do not be assertive, but adjust to the object, and you shall find a way round or through it. If nothing within you stays rigid, outward things will disclose themselves. - Bruce Lee
Phil Davis better be getting PAID to jump in here....
Sure it’s probably been presented to him as an ‘opportunity’, but if he was as banged up as he said he was before last fight, along with all that take about taking some much needed downtime, he’d be a damn fool to take this fight for his regular pay, IMHO.
lets go Mr. Wonderful
I’d rather see Davis vs. Jones anyways!
It must be quite lonely sharing that opinion on your own.
'No matter what your ideology may be, once you believe you are in the possession of some infallible truth, you become a combatant in a religious war."
I can’t imagine many people would want to see Davis vs. Jones as opposed to Evans vs. Jones.
'No matter what your ideology may be, once you believe you are in the possession of some infallible truth, you become a combatant in a religious war."
Agree
Jones needs a recognizable fighter for his first defense. He’s far from being the star he could be at this point, and starting off having him defend against a relatively unknown contender like Davis would be a mistake.
Conducting an experiment on knocking people out in particular ways would be unethical.
I do not envy Joe Silva’s job, but man, he is good at what he does. I was going to make a chicken shit→chicken salad reference, but I’m tired of that already. This is a great matchup, to me, at least.
First impression: Rashad by wrestling+ better standup after seeing the first round of Davis vs Nogueira.
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by some schmuck in texas on Apr 25, 2011 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I'm onboard, but you need to paint it pink.
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George Carlin
I remember hearing Jackson’s camp say that they’d fake an injury or do whatever it takes to not have to get their members to fight one another. I forget the specific interview but remember it pretty clearly. It doesn’t take this long to figure out your hand is messed up to the point you’re not going to be able to fight.
Regardless, I think Rashad should just move down to middleweight like he was talking about before this whole faisco — more opportunities and a DEFINITE title shot there for him since Silva has the whole division cleared nearly. He can suck it up and go back to Jacksons too with this.
If Rashad wins against Davis and Silva wins his upcoming fight, I would like to see an immediate Evans vs Silva at 185 for the belt. Rashad shouldn’t have any problems at all making 185.
Hmmm
You bring up a point. They said they’d fake an injury and they said it would be Jones pulling out with the injury. Odd lol.
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War Miller Bros.
Well… Alright then. I guess Rampage gets Jones next then.
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I’m pretty sure it will be whoever wins this fight. Let Rampage fight the Forrest/Shogun victor.
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by Derek Suboticki on Apr 25, 2011 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
here's how i see it
if Rashad wins he gets the shot.
if he loses and Rampage and Rua wins, Rampage gets the shot
if he loses and Rampage loses and Forrest wins, Forrest gets the shot
if Rashad, Rampage and Forrest lose than and only than does Phil deserve the shot.
If Anderson decides to come up, Fuck em all and give it to the spider.
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by F'n Clownshoes on Apr 25, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
sounds about right to me
Although if Rampage, Rashad, and Forrest all lose, would the winner of Couture vs Machida still be ahead of Davis? Maybe only if it’s Machida.
I consider myself a softcore fan.
Not Machida IMHO
Forrest would be coming off 2 impressive wins (Franklin/Rua)
Rampage would also have 2 (Machida/Hamill)
Phil as well (Lil’ Nog/Rashad)
You see what I mean?
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by F'n Clownshoes on Apr 25, 2011 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Randy would be in position
But he’s not going to win; that’s why he’s retiring ‘win, lose or draw,’.
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Agreed
that’s the main reason I didn’t go there.
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by F'n Clownshoes on Apr 25, 2011 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
uhmmm . . . uhh . . Hamill?
Rampage is not going to steamroll Matt Hamill.
I tend to be biased towards strikers . . . exciting strikers.
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by VeeisAnimated on Apr 25, 2011 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I said if
I agree that the Hamill fight is no gimme for Rampage.
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by F'n Clownshoes on Apr 25, 2011 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I didn’t reply to you but all is well.
I tend to be biased towards strikers . . . exciting strikers.
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by VeeisAnimated on Apr 25, 2011 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions
roger that, my bad…..God i feel dirty simply because I replied for Subo
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by F'n Clownshoes on Apr 25, 2011 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions
f'n suboshoes
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by Cory Braiterman on Apr 25, 2011 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions
A well-prepared Rampage
Like we saw against Machida, outclasses Matt IMO.
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No
But I’ll be surprised if he doesn’t beat him.
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by Derek Suboticki on Apr 25, 2011 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Talk about a win-win situation for Davis...
and a lose-lose situation for Rashad.
I wonder how much they had to pay Phil to make him take this fight and have him hold off on that “extended break” he was planning.
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by Lulz McGee on Apr 25, 2011 2:16 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I was wondering what happened to his extended break. I guess the dollars were talking.
I tend to be biased towards strikers . . . exciting strikers.
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by VeeisAnimated on Apr 25, 2011 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I wonder how much they had to pay Phil to make him take this fight and have him hold off on that "extended break" he was planning.
Probably something like “Don’t worry Phil, you do this for me and I’ll fuckin’ take care of you later…” followed by (under his breath) “…and if you don’t, well, I’ll fuckin’ take care of that too…”
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by The American Ronin on Apr 25, 2011 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Rashad has been hoodwinked!
Bamboozled!
But seriously, Dana and Joe Silva have it out for him.
Rampage/Rashad II made too much sense to pass on, for any reason other than spite.
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I wonder if they want to try to make sure they still get Jones/Rashad? Davis, at this point in his career (and rest cycle), will probably get overwhelmed by Rashad on the feet.
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by The American Ronin on Apr 25, 2011 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I can picture Rashad literally running across the cage and KOing Phil in seconds.
Not to say that it would be that easy, but it might be.
Phil is not ready for this either
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by TheFilt on Apr 25, 2011 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
rashad has nice transitions from striking to takedowns but his boxing makes me question the “Sugar” nickname
phil is gonna dominate rashad and rashad will be spared the fury of the hellbows
Its not really boxing
Its just MMA punching.
His footwork and stance are comptletly different than boxing’s, by design.
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Even IF Phil manages to pull the upset here, does he deserve a title shot after
Well, yea he does….BUT I wouldn’t wanna see it.
I’d still rather see Rampage or Machida vs Jones
.I don’t see him beating Rashad though…
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by Shaun32887 on Apr 25, 2011 2:25 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
i dont get why they cant just put the fight back to september or october
i thought thats when the fight was being planned for anyway
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by donkeypunch on Apr 25, 2011 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
yea hes almost been out a year already
so i’m guessing we’ll see jones and velasquez back for the end of the year card?
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LOL
All that bad blood created for a fight that might not ever need to happen now…
It's so silly to discount Davis
This guy is head above heels a better wrestler than Rashad, and in a three round fight that could easily determine the outcome. This is an awful matchup for Evans. Look at the list of fighters he’s beaten. Nobody on that same level of pure wrestling talent like Davis. Yes, Rampage has a background, but he doesn’t use his wrestling like Davis does in MMA.
30-27 or 29-28 Davis is a very reasonable outcome.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 25, 2011 3:05 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Yeppers.
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by Derek Suboticki on Apr 25, 2011 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Probably.
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by Richard Wade on Apr 25, 2011 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions
There’s gonna be so much black on black crime at LHW. Evans, Davis, Jones, Rampage, possibly Anderson.
by crazybones on Apr 25, 2011 3:07 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Deja vu?
Rashad Evans, in a highly public fued,with a highly anticipated bout on the horizon, has the fight post poned (A-Team or injury), only to finally have the fight be a snooze fest, which he dominates.
I see it happening.
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1 win in a row is deserving of a title shot?
And against Randy Couture?
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by RolloTomasi on Apr 25, 2011 3:17 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
This is all a fix
Randy will now beat Machida in a spectacular come from behind victory by stunning TKO, he will decide not to retire. Rashad will lost by boring decision to Davis. This will set up Couture for one last shot at the belt against Jones. Randy wins somehowkindaway and it’s the most amazing thing EVER.
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by Str8_right on Apr 25, 2011 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
good, rather see davis/jones anyway
not sure why everyone is automatically counting out davis. i don’t see rashad outwrestling him and davis is just too big.
Both these guys wrestling will most likely cancel each other out, but even then, I'd give a very slight advantage of wrestling to Rashad.
This will be a very amateurish boxing match.
by ultima0chaotic on Apr 25, 2011 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Rashad is not a bad striker at all
if it stays standing and at distance, he’ll kill Phil
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by Dave Strummer on Apr 25, 2011 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Rashad's alright.
Lil’ Nog was a much more competent striker but even then Phil landed some good kicks in and took a few good ones. If anything, he’ll use his punches to set up a takedown, which will then turn into a clinch positional battle.
by ultima0chaotic on Apr 25, 2011 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Nog is more technical in one sense, but he’s not as fast as Rashad, and doesn’t have the threat of takedowns to make his striking better. He’s also much worse than Rashad in transition. Since coming to the UFC, he’s looked a bit zombie-like, with the exception of the Luiz Cane fight.
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by Kwisatz Haderach on Apr 25, 2011 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Somewhere, JDS is dreaming about his pile of money
Saying “Who is these title belts? I fight for the money”
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On a related note
There’s a lot of little boys(7-12) in my family who watch the UFC.
All of them either like Rashad, Rampage or Anderson. Most of them siding with Rashad.
For one reason or another, Jones is not popular with young black kids, IME. I tried to tell them he’s probably the best fighter alive(not greatest), they weren’t buying it.
Not that its the end all and be all but if he doesn’t get young kids(who look like him and watch the UFC) excited, I’m not sure how many people will ever catch on.
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If he continutes to destroy people
He will gain both fans and haters. Both are people who will pay to watch him fight.
Conducting an experiment on knocking people out in particular ways would be unethical.
I hope so
I think he’s just needs more eyes one him.
He needs to fight as the co-main on a massive event.
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Definitely
Jones is so new to the scene as far as more casual eyes are concerned. He’s really only had the Bader fight and the Rua fight where he’s really getting attention. If he becomes the dominant champ everyone is proclaiming him, I’d say by his 2nd or 3rd defense we start to see his drawing numbers grow seriously.
Conducting an experiment on knocking people out in particular ways would be unethical.
Only thing I really don't get is how we're just finding out about the hand now.
I feel bad for Rashad and dap to Phil for stepping up.
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I know, he pussed out of a fight he has a 99% chance of winning
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so, if Davis wins, does HE get that title shot against Jones?
fuck it, i’ve been wanting to see Rashad fight for a long enough time already.
by Victor Rodriguez on Apr 25, 2011 4:58 PM EDT reply actions
Jones' second big test
The first was Shogun, of course. But now he’s got to deal with the accumulation of injuries an MMA fighter, even a winning one, gets.
by Christopher Bradley on Apr 25, 2011 4:58 PM EDT reply actions
Rashad has a huge lay off.
I think most people are overlooking that.
I have a feeling we are going to see an upset. Rashad has simply been away for too long. He’s going to get his arm twisted off.
Sheeeeeeeee-it
I'm slightly pissed
But what’s being overlooked is this is a far more competitive fight than Jones vs. Evans.
If Davis beats Evans we get Jones vs. Davis after all!
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by Kwisatz Haderach on Apr 25, 2011 6:19 PM EDT reply actions
Are you suggesting
that Jones got Nancy Carrigan’d…!?
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by ElliotMatheny on Apr 25, 2011 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions
:) This whole thing just feels strange. He’s fought with this injury up until now, there’s all this jibber-jabber about fighting Rashad, splitting Jackson’s, and now Jon just decides that it’s time for a little elective surgery??? I don’t even know what to think. They were just talking twittertrash a couple of days ago. This made more sense before Jon tried to explain himself. I can’t help wondering if he isn’t doing this to screw with Rashad somehow, or if he never really wanted to fight him to begin with, casually said he would if the UFC wanted it badly, and had second thoughts or something. Life is full of weird timing, weird coincidences, but there just seems little cohesion between word and action around this whole situation.
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by Kwisatz Haderach on Apr 25, 2011 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I think they were just trolling.
Rashad knows how to drum up interest for a fight. Personally, the trash talk doesn’t really do all that much for me, but some people seem to eat it up.
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by ElliotMatheny on Apr 25, 2011 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah I agree with you there, just seemed like they were both up for it though, and ready to sell the fight. I suppose there must have been some incident that tipped things for Jon regarding his hand. His explanation for it is just going to bring out the hate:) Too bad about the fight though, I was pretty curious to see how Rashad would approach him.
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by Kwisatz Haderach on Apr 25, 2011 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah,
I think Rashad has a legit shot to beat Jones.
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by ElliotMatheny on Apr 26, 2011 8:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Rashad isn't the loser
I’m sure he’s much happier to be fighting the much more beatable Davis, even if it isn’t for the belt.
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