MFC owner Mark Pavelich joined Bloody Elbow Radio on Thursday to discuss his article on celebrity referees. We talked with him extensively about that, other MMA ethical issues, his contract negotiations with welterweight champion Douglas Lima and whether or not he'll be attending UFC 129 in Toronto.

To hear the extended interview with Pavelich, including his thoughts on Ryan Jimmo and more, listen to Thursday's edition of Bloody Elbow Radio.

0:30 - What led him to write about celebrity referees
2:00 - Does having big-name referees on a show help bring legitimacy to a show?
3:55 - Was there a tipping point that led him to write about this?
5:15 - Is it a conflict of interest for promotions to bring in their own referees?
7:08 - Would you ever run a show in a place without a commission?
8:00 - Thoughts on UFC running shows in England without a commission
8:45 - On phone conversation with "Big" John McCarthy
9:50 - Is it an advantage to have big-name referees on your show?
10:20 - Contract negotiations with Douglas Lima
13:35 - News on MFC 30
14:15 - Will he be going to UFC 129?