UFC Primetime: St. Pierre vs. Shields Episode 2 Full Video
by Nick Thomas on Apr 21, 2011 9:58 AM EDT
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In anticipation of their world welterweight title clash at UFC 129: St. Pierre vs. Shields, UFC champion Georges St. Pierre and challenger Jake Shields are featured on UFC Primetime, a weekly, three part series on Spike TV. Part 2 takes viewers to the Bay Area of California to see how Shields is preparing for his title shot, and to Montreal to see how St. Pierre is preparing for his title defense. Click here for Episode 1.
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Man I was riding the Jake Shields hype train
But after seeing the fluidity that is now in GSP’s hands with his boxing I truely think he is about to make another leap in his own ability. GSP is going to be a tough person to beat.
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Another coach that thinks GSP isn't "tough".
I respect Cesar and all but come on. I guess you have to say what you have to say.
Maybe the phrasing is a bit odd, as GSP is clearly tough (look at the Alves fight)
but this isn’t exactly a foreign concept. Pretty much every fighter that’s faced him since Serra has expressed that he’s a frontrunner in some form or another. The one thing that stands out in both the Hughes and Serra losses is that GSP quit when he got put in a bad spot. Against Hughes, he quick taps with a second left and no attempt at defending the submission. Against Serra, he taps to strikes when he’s mounted instead of bucking and rolling or doing anything. With all of his work with sports psychologists, that weakness could be a thing of the past, but then again – we haven’t seen GSP in a bad spot since then, so who knows.
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by lowellthehammer on Apr 21, 2011 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Ya, I get what your saying.
It makes since, Let’s hope Shields calls him a quitter that way GSP will get super pissed and he might finish him.
Jules: Normally, both your asses would be dead as fucking fried chicken, but you happen to pull this shit while I'm in a transitional period so I don't wanna kill you, I wanna help you. But I can't give you this case, it don't belong to me. Besides, I've already been through too much shit this morning over this case to hand it over to your dumb ass.
by RJshock 305 on Apr 21, 2011 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Interesting point. I guess it’s just a matter of a fighter putting GSP in a truly bad position, and not just on top in full guard or half guard. However, wouldn’t the first BJ Penn fight prove a counterpoint?
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I just read the post below
I see the difference now.
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You know...
There is the possibility that in the Serra fight he tapped because he was legit hurt. People have tapped due to strikes before. It doesn’t mean he’s not tough.
I know people put GSP on this insane pedestal, but he is human like the rest of us, and where he got hit that night, could end the night of a lot of people.
The guy is tough… the fought a few rounds with a messed up groin. I don’t know if any of you had a pulled or torn groin before, but you can barely walk, NM fight.
Sheeeeeeeee-it
That’s all true but why do people (not saying you) constantly forget the first round of the first Penn fight when bringing up GSP’s toughness? The only time it’s usually brought up is by (delusional) Penn fans as evidence for why he won the first fight. The comeback he made in that should put an end to all talk about his toughness. He was on his back against Koscheck, Fitch, and Alves at least once and he handled all of those situations just fine. But one think I’ve noticed is that people like to pick and choose what they see and believe when it comes to GSP.
I think for the Hughes lost It was just inexperience and fear that kicked and he panicked. For the Serra loss I think he was seriously hurt and disoriented and wouldnt have been able to finish the fight if he didnt tap anyways. I think GSP handles that situation much better now though. One thing he does better then anyone is learn from his mistakes.
Jules: Normally, both your asses would be dead as fucking fried chicken, but you happen to pull this shit while I'm in a transitional period so I don't wanna kill you, I wanna help you. But I can't give you this case, it don't belong to me. Besides, I've already been through too much shit this morning over this case to hand it over to your dumb ass.
by RJshock 305 on Apr 21, 2011 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree completely. The thing about the Serra loss is I know how fans see it as evidence of a weak chin but he truly had a weak chin he would’ve been rocked a lot more outside of the Serra fight. His face was worn out in the first round of the Penn fight and he didn’t buckle or stumble once. But then again, a lot of people seem to have forgotten that. One thing that I’ve noticed, that I hope isn’t true, is that several professional fighters and camps he’s gone up against have used that one fight as the basis for their strategies, thinking he’s weak-willed or can be knocked out. That’s pretty sad. They’re trying to bank on that instead of trying to construct more aggressive strategies around their fighters’ strengths. I’m sure GSP and Faras are loving this though.
I haven't forgotten it.
Penn marked him up pretty good in the first round, and I actually brought up how that was a great comeback just the other day when I was talking about his big run towards winning the title. However, here’s the difference: against Penn, GSP was getting tagged and outstruck, but he wasn’t in imminent danger of being stopped. Against Hughes and Serra he was, and instead of fighting he quit. It’s a subtle difference.
Let me put it like this: let’s say GSP has that same first round against Hendo that Jake did, gets dropped, on the verge of being KO’d, etc. Do you think GSP gets up from that punch like Jake did? I have a hard time seeing it. The thing about GSP that’s so great though is that he’s so good that it’s tough to get him in spots like that, but I think putting him on the ropes so to speak is the path to beating him and so does every other fighter that’s faced him.
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by lowellthehammer on Apr 21, 2011 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree he quit but I think we see it differently contextually. The entire first Hughes fight was a back-and-forth scrap that saw St. Pierre get in and out of bad spots. The (incredibly slick) armbar Hughes beat him with just happened to be the worst one. I honestly believe if GSP knew there was one second left he wouldn’t have tapped, but that’s just my opinion. And as for the Serra fight, St. Pierre kept getting nailed and kept trying to fight. Serra just did the smart thing and capitalized very effectively and didn’t let GSP get back in the fight. I saw the same thing from GSP in both of those losses: hasty panic, and the Serra one is even debatable on that front, as Serra just kept tagging him. I honestly think he’s passed that, but like you said, we haven’t really seen him in that position since. I just think it’s lazy and too dismissive to call him a “quitter”, “weak”, or “not tough”, not saying you did.
The clapper had sounded at 10 seconds. He knew it wasn't long left in the fight.
It’s the only really obvious chink in GSP’s armor, if there is one. That’s all I’m saying. We’re obviously going to hold different opinions of what GSP showed in the Serra/Hughes fights and that’s fine.
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by lowellthehammer on Apr 21, 2011 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions
I dont think its that GSP can take it I just think its a mental thing and he panics. If Shields gets him in an arm bar will he panic and tap or take the pain? Its a tough call.
Jules: Normally, both your asses would be dead as fucking fried chicken, but you happen to pull this shit while I'm in a transitional period so I don't wanna kill you, I wanna help you. But I can't give you this case, it don't belong to me. Besides, I've already been through too much shit this morning over this case to hand it over to your dumb ass.
by RJshock 305 on Apr 21, 2011 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions
yes he will tap. If he doesnt the ref will stop the fight when Jake Breaks his arm in half.
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by the-gentle-way on Apr 21, 2011 10:55 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Gsps arm was straight before mat even sat back.
It would have broke in less than a second and I am sure it was hyper extended.
Tapping to strikes….. that is what it is.
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by the-gentle-way on Apr 21, 2011 10:53 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
And what is it exactly?
Because we all know he’s the only person that’s ever done it.
Certainly not a great thing to have in your transcript as a fighter.
Particularly when it wasn’t very long into the fight at all.
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by lowellthehammer on Apr 21, 2011 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Ya, I would he tapped to strikes just like GSP, except I would give him more slack cause he ate WAY more damaging shots through out the fight. His face was fucked up entering the second round.
Jules: Normally, both your asses would be dead as fucking fried chicken, but you happen to pull this shit while I'm in a transitional period so I don't wanna kill you, I wanna help you. But I can't give you this case, it don't belong to me. Besides, I've already been through too much shit this morning over this case to hand it over to your dumb ass.
by RJshock 305 on Apr 21, 2011 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
3 rounds of punishment from a 205er
is a bit different than 3 minutes of punishment from a former LW. Just throwing that out there.
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by lowellthehammer on Apr 21, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
I guess. Last I checked, an ass-whupping is ass-whupping no matter the weight, but you do make some good points.
Note the time difference.
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by lowellthehammer on Apr 21, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Really, Watch those fights again. Jones hits shogun with shots that would have knocked GSP stupid.
Jules: Normally, both your asses would be dead as fucking fried chicken, but you happen to pull this shit while I'm in a transitional period so I don't wanna kill you, I wanna help you. But I can't give you this case, it don't belong to me. Besides, I've already been through too much shit this morning over this case to hand it over to your dumb ass.
by RJshock 305 on Apr 21, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
I've watched them both several times.
And I remember that GSP was knocked stupid by Serra. Like I said, an ass-whupping is an ass-whupping, but I hear you.
?
I guess, but Serra instantly swarmed onto GSP and punished him, what difference does it make what round that it happened in? If Bones had did what he did to Shogun in the first round instead of the 3rd, then I bet Shogun still would’ve tapped.
Basically the punishment that Serra gave to GSP is somewhat equivalent to that ending stanza of punishment that Bones dealt to Shogun. That elbow that Bones landed that made Shogun react and cover up that eventually lead to the tko stoppage I’d say was equivalent to that punch that clipped GSP behind the ear that eventually lead to his tko stoppage.
Of course Shogun took more damage considering that he has 2 extra rounds over George in his fight, but come on it’s not as if Jones just punished a defenseless Shogun with his arms flailing at his sides for 12 minutes straight. And what’s with the sizes? I’m sure that Penn could knock a hw silly with the proper punch, Huerta did it…
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by SentientAndroid on Apr 21, 2011 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
the Jones knee to the liver stole shoguns soul.
Liver shots are man’s punishment for stealing fire from the gods.
I was surprised Shogun tapped, but I would have done the same.
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by the-gentle-way on Apr 21, 2011 11:15 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
It's not listed as a Tap
It’s listed as a TKO
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by MattParker117 on Apr 21, 2011 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Tapping to strikes is the physical equivalent to saying " make the bad man stop ". It is what it is. Some people have that in them and some don’t. I don’t think Nick or Nate Diaz will ever tap to strikes. Royce ,Rickson or Relson, Renzo Gracie would die before tapping to strikes. Its just how you’re built I suppose.
If you kick me hard enough in the Liver I will tap to stikes and wish for death in the same second.
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by the-gentle-way on Apr 21, 2011 11:10 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
GSP had to tap.
There was no way he was getting out, it only would’ve gotten worse. No reason to take unnecessary punishment.
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by ElliotMatheny on Apr 21, 2011 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
it was the smart thing to do.
I also think its kind of involuntary. It’s your subconscious reacting. IMHO.
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by the-gentle-way on Apr 21, 2011 11:19 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
LOL I feel you on the liver thing.
I see what you’re saying. I just hate it when (not saying you did) people act like tapping to strikes negates everything he’s done since then.
It doesn't negate anything.
Still a dark mark on his record.
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by lowellthehammer on Apr 21, 2011 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Depends on who you ask.
I could give less of a damn about it. Others think it holds more weight.
The Hughes sub was befuddling,
although another second and he very well could’ve had a broken arm. As for the Serra fight, I don’t think it was a matter of GSP “not fighting”. He was diving for takedowns and trying to recover, but Matt was on him like white on rice. He held out for quite a while, but when Serra was hovering over him dropping bombs, the only thing that could’ve happened was GSP losing consciousness.
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by ElliotMatheny on Apr 21, 2011 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions
I’ll never get how the Diaz brothers can be so bad at wrestling when Shields is one of their buddies aswell as one of their training partners.
Look at how they're built.
Nick and Nate both have very slight builds. Not only are they more built for endurance marathons than they are for explosive sprints, but they’re also lanky as hell, and seem to have naturally slouchy posture.
I’m sure they do work on their wrestling (Nate actually has some nifty judo throws), but they don’t really wrestle like taller guys should. When you’re a taller wrestler, you need to have a mean sprawl, and for takedowns, they should be working from the clinch almost exclusively. Duck unders, snatch singles, knee taps, ankle picks, and trips are all good for taller guys.
You also have to realize that the guys who outwrestle them are stud wrestlers who are not only built like houses, but have also been wrestling since childhood. Shields wrestled from a young age as well.
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by ElliotMatheny on Apr 21, 2011 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Anyone else seeing shades of Rocky IV
GSP is like the super athlete. With all the best resources ($hitloads of money) traveling and training with THE BEST trainers olympic level boxers, wrestlers, weight trainers, strength and conditioning coaches in freakin olympic facilities, everything tailored scientifically to perfection.
And then there’s Jake Shields with only a fraction of the resources, training with his friends like he always has, not moving out of the greater Bay area, strengthtraining in a garage or parking lot, sparring with the local boxers etc etc.
Unfortunately I don’t see the. GSP’s everything is just at too high a level. I just wish he wore shorts more and those spandex tights less.
GSP's on roids and he killed Carl Weathers?
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by lowellthehammer on Apr 21, 2011 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions
APOLLO!!!!!!!!!!
NO!!!!!!!!!
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by the-gentle-way on Apr 21, 2011 10:45 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Tell me why as a kid
I always thought that Apollo Creed and Lando Calrissian were played by the same person, only to find out later that they were just two different actors rocking the same moustache. Fucked with my head a lot.
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by lowellthehammer on Apr 21, 2011 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Apollo was on a big ass cycle of juice and Billy D. Just got by on smoothness.
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by the-gentle-way on Apr 21, 2011 10:59 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
plus billy d was rockin the jerry curl.
Otherwise the men were like twins.
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by the-gentle-way on Apr 21, 2011 11:00 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Moustache twins.
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by lowellthehammer on Apr 21, 2011 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Nice
Apollo: Billy D
Juice: Smoothie
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Dude
if I had GSP’s physique, I would exclusively wear compression shorts. I would only wear a shirt if it was cold enough to get frostbite on my nipples.
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by ElliotMatheny on Apr 21, 2011 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions
tough to sell the "less resources" angle when the guy is riding around in an M5
by BROCKLESNAR!!!!! on Apr 21, 2011 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions
6-series, I believe
but you beat me to the point.
true true
no doubt, I’m just saying he looks like he’s training in a garage w/ his friends when compared to GSP flyin ppl in internationally (albeit on Southwest airlines) to olympic training centers for 100 different sports. Their approaches look completely different. And the amount of money they make is completely different.
GSP is going to score at least 2 TKD kicks
and then credit Joe Rogan for it , i just know it. Seen quite a few side kicks in this vid as well.
That's so sad
Jake Shields couldn’t even muster enough punching power to punch through his name on the opening credits
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by Kailua99 on Apr 21, 2011 10:58 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Are they going to show
Shields grappling with anyone other than a 50+ David Meyer?
I actually managed to stay up and watch both an episode of TUF and the countdown special. I thought the show was quite interesting, I don’t understand why it’s being called boring. Anyways I thought it was quite refreshing to see George’s personality, especially when he kept saying “no, no, no, no I don’t like that feeling at all”. It’s as if he sees everybody writing Shields off and asking about his next opponent as a bad omen. I’d be pretty nervous as well. It’d be somewhat different if Shields had like 2 losses in his last 15 fights and his two losses were to a Nick Thompson or an Ido Pariente, but he’s undefeated in his last 15. That means that Carlos, Okami, Paul, Henderson, Mayhem, Robbie and Kampann (yeah I know) couldn’t solve the riddle.
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by SentientAndroid on Apr 21, 2011 12:18 PM EDT reply actions
I’ve enjoyed it as well. I like the fact they’re actually playing up the mutual respect angle instead of showing some forced, generic trash talk. And I love watching MMA fighters train.
ditto
True story, but I almost gave out carrying a case of water with 2 boxes of Capri Sun along with a bag of 2, 2 liter drinks from the car to my apt. last night. So when I see GSP struggling to do those olympic ring exercises or when Jake was pushing all that weight outside in that heat and they gradually kept adding weight, I’m just like man gotdamn that has to be immensely difficult.
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by SentientAndroid on Apr 21, 2011 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions
This show is the equivalent of HBO's Boxing 24/7
LUVIT!!
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by MMA_Revolution on Apr 21, 2011 12:55 PM EDT reply actions
I don’t think “equivalent” mean what you think it means.
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by Mike Fagan on Apr 21, 2011 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Can we at least agree
this is at least the equivalent of the Real World, if the Real World only showed the parts leading up to the hair-pulling matches? (Which, by the way, GSP would win hands down.)
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Shields has ONLY two ways to win
1) go 5 rounds and win by decision
2) submission
GSP hasn’t lost a round in 3 years / last 6 fights and has better strength, stamina, and wrestling to control a fight for a 5 round decision.
Shields has NOT been able to win by submission against top-level fighters in his last three fights: Kampman, Henderson, and Miller.
Conclusion: GSP victory.
I remember watching this exact episode a few months ago
Except it was some british dude and I had the exact same feeling. This guy is gonna get destroyed by GSP
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