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The Mixed Martial Arts Precariat: A Critique of Excitement Incentive Bonuses


Introduction 

This is the third entry in a series examining fighter salaries from the Ultimate Fighting Championship (UFC) and Strikeforce prior to Zuffa’s takeover of the latter promotion. More specifically, this series has illustrated how social stratification – inequality based on wealth, power, and prestige – is rampant among MMA fighters, both men and women. The present article will focus solely on the UFC, looking specifically at how fighter bonuses extend the precarious nature of the athletes’ livelihood.

Methodology

A more detailed description of the methods for this piece can be found here. In short, to collect data for this project, the available information was gathered from MMA websites for each fighter's publicly stated earned income from UFC 100 to UFC 127. Only major fight cards were examined for this project, essentially meaning cards that were held on a pay-per-view basis.

For this sample, a total of 15 fight cards were examined, in which 326 payouts (also known as a fighter's "purse") were made to fighters; fighter salaries for 13 UFC fight cards during this timeframe could not be located.

There are a few important limitations to these methods. First, the public compensation made to fighters within the UFC promotion does not include "backstage/locker room" bonuses that are given to select fighters by management (as noted by commenters in the first article using this data set). Nor does the data set include possible royalties that elite fighters may secure from pay-per-view buys, DVD sales, etc. (which would expand the stratification among fighters since middle and lower-tier fighters would likely not secure such compensation).

Findings

Fighter "excitement incentive bonuses" refer to the "X of the Night" bonuses fighters receive on each UFC fight card. These bonuses are typically awarded to four competitors: for "Fight of the Night" (given to both the winning and losing fighter in the card’s most exciting match), "Submission of the Night" (given to a fighter who wins via the most impressive submission on the card), and "Knockout of the Night" (given to a fighter who wins via the most spectacular knockout on the card).

All of these excitement incentive bonuses come in the form of supplementary income to the fighter’s guaranteed purse (i.e., "show" money), his possible win bonus, and on rare occasion are given to more than one fighter (e.g., sometimes two fighters may be given monetary awards for "Knockout of the Night"). A fighter may also "double up" on these awards; for instance at UFC 106, Josh Koscheck earned a guaranteed $53,000 to show, $53,000 to win, $70,000 for "Submission of the Night," and $70,000 for "Fight of the Night," thereby securing a total purse of $246,000. Among the sample examined in this study, these excitement incentive bonuses ranged in monetary value from $50,000 (given to awardees at UFC 108) to $100,000 (given to awardees at UFC 100).

Again, a total of 326 UFC payouts were examined. Of these 326 payouts, 57 (17.5%) included excitement incentive bonuses, and 269 (82.5%) had none of these bonus types. Contrasts were first made examining the 57 cases, comparing the fighters’ purses including these excitement incentive bonuses versus their purses had they hypothetically not received these bonuses.

Fighter Purses with Excitement Incentive Bonuses (N = 57)

  • Mean: $147,477

  • Median: $112,000

  • Standard deviation: $92,570

Fighter Purses with Excitement Incentive Bonuses Subtracted (N = 57)

  • Mean: $74,175

  • Median: $36,000

  • Standard deviation: $89,028

One can see rather clearly the abundant impact these excitement incentive bonuses have on fighters’ purses, nearly doubling the mean, and increasing the median (the best measure here) more than three times. Obviously for these fighters, the supplementary income is a significant reward. However, these data only present part of the information.

It is also important to compare the 57 fighters’ purses with the excitement incentive bonuses subtracted versus the 269 fighter purses in which none of these bonuses were given, presented, below:

Fighter Purses with Excitement Incentive Bonuses Subtracted (N = 57)

  • Mean: $74,175

  • Median: $36,000

  • Standard deviation: $89,028

Fighter Purses, Never Received Excitement Incentive Bonuses (N = 269)

  • Mean: $48,750

  • Median: $20,000

  • Standard deviation: $82,460

The key comparison here is that the median for fighters who received the excitement incentive bonuses stands at $36,000. Recall, that is the median value before their excitement incentive bonuses were included in analyses. In contrast, the median for those who never received the bonuses is only $20,000.

This discrepancy reflects two things. First and foremost, those who receive these bonuses are more often winners of matches (a relatively obvious point), who are therefore not only receiving these bonuses, but also in most cases a win bonus (unless they were losers who received a "Fight of the Night" bonus). Additionally, the discrepancy shows that a disproportionate number of fighters receiving these excitement incentive bonuses already have high status and can leverage better contracts should they not secure a supplemental bonus.

In short, the excitement incentive bonuses extend the inequality among fighters. It is far more common to see fighters with high profile names, still in top-tier competitive form who already make substantial incomes earning the excitement incentive bonuses (e.g., Dan Henderson, Anderson Silva, Jon Jones, Chris Leben, Rich Franklin). Conversely, aging fighters and those who are greener, who typically make less money, are less likely to receive these bonuses (e.g., Frank Trigg, David Loiseau, Goran Reljic, Todd Brown).

Of course since only 17% of the payouts in this sample included these particular bonus types, numerous fighters who compete in main events or co-main events do not receive them. However, these fighters are already making healthy incomes (e.g., Vitor Belfort earned $275,000 in a losing effort with no bonuses at UFC 126).

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Fighter Bonuses and the Precariat

Given these trends, it is important to consider the necessity of these excitement incentive bonuses, as well as how these particular bonuses increase fighters’ risks. Bear in mind, incentive bonuses already exist – win bonuses. Many argue that without further bonuses that encourage athletes to finish fights in exciting fashion via either submission or knockout, too many fighters will compete simply to win, opting for the safer routes to victory that lack entertainment value.

Such a perspective leans towards treating MMA as spectacle over sport. Many have argued sports in general continuously move in this direction, away from traditional sporting notions (e.g., winning yields the greatest rewards) towards a form of entertainment for fan pleasure. Hence, NFL owners push for a longer regular season that benefits them and the fans, not the athletes.

Furthermore, these particular incentive bonuses disproportionately encourage the lower-tier and poorer fighters to utilize risky fighting styles that resonate with fans who call for increased violence over winning. As early as 2007, Greg Downey stated:

"Promoters encourage fighters to use striking strategies because they are perceived to be more popular with fans. A public relations executive at Zuffa explained to me that, if a fighter put on a ‘good show’ – he was aggressive and exciting to watch – he would be invited back even if he lost" (p. 216).

While bonuses are given for "Submission of the Night," the general tenet expressed by Downey holds true across today’s MMA landscape. Chris Lytle and Leonard Garcia truly exemplify this perspective, both holding long tenures under the Zuffa banner arguably because of their risky approaches to competition. Jon Fitch and Antonio McKee, on the other hand, not only win extensively over very long periods, but win in ways that safeguard their physical and mental health. Thus despite winning extensively over the years, the latter two fighters have not been rewarded in ways that are commensurate with their records.

Up and coming less known fighters and aging out veterans are both groups of fighters looking to build or re-build their names. And they are more commonly in need of hefty monetary bonuses. These are the groups of fighters Guy Standing would refer to as part of the MMA "precariat."

They are part of the vulnerable, expendable working class, or "proletariat," but in this case, their income and work status is constantly precarious. Should they get a contract with the UFC and make it to the scheduled competition, they secure their "show" money, which is typically quite low. Their win bonus is not guaranteed, and would probably double their purse. But gaining an excitement incentive bonus may literally increase their purse six times and improve their chances of future employment. Hence, their financial vulnerability in a precarious market calls for increased risks – risks to winning and to their health.

The more one company commands control of a global industry, the less power workers have to advocate for their rights. Lower-tier fighters’ precarious employment is further threatened by the UFC’s dominance in the global market, where mixed martial artists from different parts of Asia, South America, North America, Europe, and the Pacific vie for a chance to compete and make the highlight reel on the grandest MMA stage.

A hallmark fighter like the current Georges St. Pierre (GSP) can afford financially to not take risks, and may even view risks in competition as jeopardizing his current income and sporting legacy. It is fiscally prudent for a "name" fighter like St. Pierre to fight safe. The complete opposite is true for mixed martial artists who fall in the lowest tiers of a stratified MMA global market.

This means fighters like the current GSP, Randy Couture, and "Rampage" Jackson must remember where they came from, as well as their peers from the 1990s and early 2000s who never made it the elite levels and reaped lucrative financial rewards. Today, GSP makes $400,000 (half to show; half to win) on a typical fight card. In a winning effort at UFC 48 he made $8,000. Will these fighters who currently have power ever make lasting efforts to advocate for their fellow and future workers?

Much more importantly, will administration and ownership consider how incentive bonuses jeopardize their employees? It is hardly outlandish to argue lower-tier fighters are rendered disposable and replaceable across the global market. These particular fighters know they have very limited life chances to impress the brass, and the brass knows the fighters are aware of their own uncertain circumstances.

Rewarding lower-tier fighters would not take much organizational change. On a typical UFC pay-per-view fight card, there are 11 matches with 22 fighters. If excitement incentive bonuses are set at $75,000 a piece, that is $300,000 usually distributed to four fighters. If these excitement incentive bonuses were decreased to $20,000 a piece (still a significant amount of money for lower- and mid-tier fighters), that would leave $220,000 to distribute across the fight night roster. If distributed evenly to just ten of the lowest paid fighters, each would receive an extra $22,000 in guaranteed income.

When I interviewed Guy Mezger years ago, he told me, "…to be honest man, most of the guys, a lot of the guys, they think there’s a huge amount of money in this sport, and there is, for a very small amount of people." Mezger was and still is right – the wealth is there, but not for everyone. If they truly care about all their employees, White, Fertitta and company can and should do a better job of spreading it around.

Up next: how the UFC as a company has skyrocketed in value while fighter salaries lag behind in proportionate growth.

Non-internet Source:

Downey, G. (2007). Producing pain: techniques and technologies in no-holds-barred fighting. Social Studies of Science, 37 (2), 201-226.

David Mayeda is Assistant Professor of Sociology at Hawaii Pacific University and lead author of Fighting for Acceptance: Mixed Martial Artists and Violence in American Society

The FanPosts are solely the subjective opinions of Bloody Elbow readers and do not necessarily reflect the views of Bloody Elbow editors or staff.

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Good piece, however,

this notion that you bring up regarding “fighter inequality” is more indicative of the low pay that the fighters that aren’t considered “elite” receive. It’s not a case of “the rich getting richer,” it’s a matter of the fighters with name value/ drawing power getting just rewards for delivering a spectacular victory.

I would argue that although there is a tendency for more well known/ established fighters to receive these bonuses, I would also argue that they probably win those bonuses because they are better fighters, and have a superior skillset with which to deliver exciting finishes, or to engage in an exciting fight that goes the distance.

I am 100% for giving fight of the night, KO of the night, and submission of the night awards, because I think it provides a great incentive to be more bold, to actively try to do damage and hunt for submissions, instead of stalling and just trying to control an opponent.

What I am against is giving out win bonuses. I think the promoters should only pay the fighters a base salary- pay them what you think they’re worth. Winning is desirable in and of itself, but when you make it so that a fighter needs to win by any means necessary (because their ability to win a full paycheck is on the line), then I think you get fighters eking out cautious decisions.

Xtreme Couture- The best never rest!

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by ElliotMatheny on Apr 21, 2011 10:12 AM EDT reply actions   2 recs

I agree with A LOT of what you posted here, including the part regarding elite fighters getting “..of the Night” awards more often because they’re simply better. Interesting on not having win bonuses. Not having those but having the same money available for distribution could also help to spread out the wealth.

by dmayeda on Apr 21, 2011 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks man,

glad I’m not totally off base here.

Another thing to consider is that even if you don’t officially factor strength of competition into how you distribute those “_ of the Night” awards, it just seems inherently more impressive if you performed very well against a higher level fighter.

As for the win bonuses, I really think they’re kind of messed up to have in the first place. On the surface, it seems like they are just rewarding fighters for victory, but when you look deeper, the subtext is “If I win, then I was worth the promoter’s investment, and deserve more money (even if I just barely eked out a cautious victory where I stalled alot). If I lose, then I wasn’t worth paying a full paycheck (even if I fought very hard, jumped in on short notice against a guy above my level, or was matched up to advance someone else’s career).”

Just pay fighters what they’re worth, which ideally is right in the middle between their base pay, and what they would make with the win bonus.

Xtreme Couture- The best never rest!

"I swear it upon Zeus an outstanding runner cannot be the equal of an average wrestler."
-Socrates

by ElliotMatheny on Apr 21, 2011 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I do get the feeling you are coming from a slightly socialist angle.

I know it’s “feel good” and “nice” to think about letting the lower ranked guys get more of the pie. But this is not unlike increasing the legislated minimum wage. The effect of this is that poor performers can get pay higher than what they deserve – while people outside the UFC who are trying to get in, receive nothing (from the UFC) and therefore are disadvantaged versus the current lower tier UFC performers. It makes it harder for a more talented person to break into the UFC, as their income is not being subsidised by the clearly above-market-rate (as defined by today’s prevailing pay rates that clear the market, matching supply with demand) pay that you are proposing for the lower tier fighters. Therefore they can’t be as full time or spend as much on training/medical/nutritionist/etc that will assist in getting them into the UFC. The net effect is that you don’t get the best talent into the UFC.

If your goal is to get exciting fights, I agree with Elliot about removing win bonuses, but I’m not sure I agree about reducing the value of the “excitement” bonuses and increasing base pay for the lower tier fighters. The larger the excitement bonus, the greater an incentive it is. The larger the base salary, the greater the incentive to eke out a win, so you can stay in the UFC and maintain your base, or better still, string together enough wins so that you can be higher ranked and negotiate a higher pay rate on your next contract.

Generally, I’m in favor of having the UFC’s “natural monopoly” continue to grow and succeed such that the total value of the sport rises – raising the average value of ALL fighters – and therefore ultimately providing them with leverage in negotiating higher rates. Sure, the UFC may increase it’s revenue by 10x while the fighters receive pay rises of 2×. But if the fighters’ average annual pay increase exceeds CPI and the general labour market overall, I don’t think there is too much to complain about. Don’t forget the UFC has to deal with increasing costs in other areas as well as fighter salaries, as well as investing/risking a huge amount of capital – and are therefore entitled to what we might think of as excess profits. Why the UFC is a “natural monopoly” and whether it is better than a competitive market are topics well worn in other threads so I’ll leave it there.

by Arca MMA on Apr 22, 2011 3:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

"To each according to his contribution"

Xtreme Couture- The best never rest!

"I swear it upon Zeus an outstanding runner cannot be the equal of an average wrestler."
-Socrates

by ElliotMatheny on Apr 22, 2011 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Actually...

To each according to his contribution sums up capitalism pretty well, whereas to each according to his need was the commie mantra.

For “To each according to his contribution”, I’d have used this picture:

by High Knee Destroyer on Apr 23, 2011 7:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wow,

great reference. That said, “to each according to his contribution” is Marx’ description of the stage before communism. It’s kind of an idealistic stage where each person is compensated fairly for the service/ goods they provide the public.

Xtreme Couture- The best never rest!

"I swear it upon Zeus an outstanding runner cannot be the equal of an average wrestler."
-Socrates

by ElliotMatheny on Apr 25, 2011 6:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

I always thought it was “from each according to his contribution to each according to his need.”

by Hummus5989 on Apr 26, 2011 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

He has a bunch of different sayings,

the one you’re referencing is “From each according to his ability, to each according to his need”

Xtreme Couture- The best never rest!

"I swear it upon Zeus an outstanding runner cannot be the equal of an average wrestler."
-Socrates

by ElliotMatheny on Apr 27, 2011 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

great stuff doc

always flattered when you post at BE.

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by Nate Wilcox on Apr 21, 2011 11:06 AM EDT reply actions  

I too would like to see better pay at the bottom of the card

But I do not agree with the idea of reducing the ‘of the night’ bonuses. The smaller the bonuses are, the less that guys at the top of the card will care about them. That means that the fighters we care most about have less incentive to go for exciting finishes. We’ve all noticed that some of the best fights tend to come from guys on the undercard with little to lose and everything to gain.

Fighters with no name recognition or fan following ARE replaceable. So by all means, take some risks, wow the fans, make a name for yourself. I don’t plunk down my PPV dollars to watch some sort of condottieri war of least effort. If you want to make a living without risking your health and safety, that is OK by me, but you should probably find a different profession. If I want the purity of sport, I’ll watch the freakin olympics.

I consider myself a softcore fan.

by Thor77 on Apr 21, 2011 11:07 AM EDT reply actions  

I think this gets to 1 fundament question – is this entertainment or sport, and how much of a difference is there between the two? At its core sport is entertainment. But sporting purists would say we cannot manipulate sport in a way that deviates from certain values.

by dmayeda on Apr 21, 2011 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

all the major sports leagues are entertainment companies, and they always make decisions based on entertainment/financial reasons, they just don’t get seen as that all the time because of the seasonal product and the scheduling that is done.

There will always be a balance between the two, but don’t be surprised when entertainment wins. A sports league that isn’t entertaining doesn’t make money, an entertainment enterprise that isn’t a sport can.

by Phildo on Apr 21, 2011 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

A good point...

I think though that sports bodies manipulate their sport in obvious or subtle ways to ensure they are entertaining, largely unseen or unnoticed by the viewing public.

For example, rules in tennis have changed over time as has equipment including the balls that are selected by the tournament ruling bodies. There was a time when everyone was afraid that the big servers would dominate the sport and it would get boring, i.e. turn into a serving contest like that crazy 3-day, 11 hour effort at Wimbledon not long ago that went to 100+ games in the 5th set. So the ruling bodies over time have made changes to balls or allowed certain technologies to be used (e.g. new strings with extreme topspin capabilities) which have encouraged more rallies and less serve dominance. This is all in the name of keeping the game entertaining. Are you aware that the tiebreaker was created specifically to make the game more entertaining particularly for TV viewers?

So if something as “traditional” and long-standing and globally successful as tennis (and I could point to soccer/world football examples) manipulates the game in subtle or obvious ways to ensure entertainment, I can’t see why the UFC (which we all know is modeled on WWF) would be any different.

by Arca MMA on Apr 22, 2011 3:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wow

this is an awesome read

Why I never joined a frat: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-KNVrZaN8M

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by Chris Barton on Apr 21, 2011 11:33 AM EDT reply actions  

I commend all the work.

Really, I don’t see MMA as being much different from any of the other sports I can think of and entertainment in general. Minor league baseball players, semi-pro basketball players, etc. aren’t generally paid well. I would guess that they do it because they love the sport and/or they’re chasing the dream of prestige and a large payday down the road.

Also, I think if you remove the “excitement bonuses” you may end up with some results you don’t expect. I’m pretty sure some are minimizing the effects of financial incentives – even with high level, named fighters. I’m not saying there might not be positives to removing bonuses, but I think that figuring that removing a win bonus won’t yield some ugly, safe fighting in some situations is naive. I’m not going to jump in at this point and totally disagree. I just think some of the assumptions made might be off.

by Cannon Jacques on Apr 21, 2011 6:00 PM EDT reply actions  

Minor league baseball players, semi-pro basketball players, etc. aren’t generally paid well

Well sure, but didn’t you hear? The UFC is the Super Bowl of MMA!

by JRN on Apr 21, 2011 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well sure, but didn’t you hear? The UFC is the Super Bowl of MMA!

You don’t say.

by Cannon Jacques on Apr 21, 2011 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, I don’t think the “excitement bonuses” should be removed entirely, but reduced. They’re so high right now, I feel that pot of money could be better utilized to spread the wealth a bit more.

by dmayeda on Apr 21, 2011 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know I'm going against what I said about excitement bonuses "bigger is better"

But… if the fighters know that excitement means they will keep their job and get higher pay for the next fight, there is an inherent excitement bonus in the structure of the market. I would guess that overt excitement bonuses on the night can only accentuate this, but it’s clear that they are NOT essential to putting on good fights. So much has to do with an athlete’s style and attitude.

by Arca MMA on Apr 22, 2011 3:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Are you saying they should get rid of the bonuses?

Are you also against incentives based on stats in NFL contracts?

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by Derek Suboticki on Apr 21, 2011 6:31 PM EDT reply actions  

I don’t think they should do away with the bonuses entirely. Towards the end of the piece, I suggested reducing them fairly substantially in order to spread around the wealth more. I’m generally against individual incentive clauses in the NFL largely because it’s a team sport, and the pay scale is so different from that in the UFC.

by dmayeda on Apr 21, 2011 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Another thing

is that over time, although fighter pay has steadily increased, the amount of money the UFC makes has risen enormously. The fighter’s piece of the pie has become much smaller, and therein lies the issue. If you kept the percentage of revenue allocated towards fighter’s pay the same as it was a few years ago, then the stars would be making true star money, and the lower level guys would be making more than 3 grand a fight.

That’s where the REAL money is, not in the “_ of the Night” bonuses.

Xtreme Couture- The best never rest!

"I swear it upon Zeus an outstanding runner cannot be the equal of an average wrestler."
-Socrates

by ElliotMatheny on Apr 21, 2011 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s exactly what I’m addressing in my next piece ;). I’ll be comparing salaries from this sample to purses from 4 or 5 fight cards from around 2005, just before the MMA boom. As you note the purses have gone up, but not nearly to the same degree as the UFC’s overall value. Give me at least a few days. I did the prior 2 pieces over Spring Break. I’ve got a ton of papers to grade right now…

by dmayeda on Apr 21, 2011 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nice.

I think the fighters definitely deserve to get a bigger piece of the pie, they are the actual meat of the product.

Xtreme Couture- The best never rest!

"I swear it upon Zeus an outstanding runner cannot be the equal of an average wrestler."
-Socrates

by ElliotMatheny on Apr 21, 2011 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have to point out the flaw here, sorry Elliot.

People keep comparing fighter pay to the UFC’s revenue. It doesn’t actually tell us a lot. What would be valuable is knowing the UFC’s profit and how the fighters’ pay compares with that. Unfortunately revenue doesn’t tell us a lot, but also, profit isn’t known to us – unless the BE guys can get some inside info?

I’m guessing we’d see the UFC started off losing money, at a time when it was paying fighters their contracted rates. At this point in time, the fighter’s salaries were driving the company into the red. So fighter pay to profit ratio is not meaningful (as the profit was negative).

Later, the company started breaking even… let’s assume 0 profit for a year or two. At this time, fighter pay to profit ratio is infinite… meaningless.

After this period, assuming the UFC had a small profit that grew bigger and bigger, THEN fighter pay to profit ratio is meaningful. Initially fighter pay might have been a large compared to total profit… but that would of course decline over time.

I would almost say this is the natural way of things. The UFC lost money and risked its investment in the early days, and this is rewarded by the excess profits earned in later days. It would actually be unfair to the UFC’s investors, who originally (and still, actually) stand to lose so much if they didn’t also stand to GAIN so much. I.e. it would be unfair to simply allocate X% of revenue to fighters, because that would take away undeservedly from the pockets of the investors. In fact, it might be considered fiduciarily irresponsible (potentially illegal) for management to do so, because under law, management is charged with delivering returns to shareholders. Disclaimer: I’m not sure of the US rules on this – but my guess is that even major charitable donations would need to be approved by shareholders.

Now, the fact that the UFC WAS owned by a small group of partners actually shouldn’t impact salary decision making. (Sure, it would be “nice” if the Fertittas just shelled out more money to fighters, but that’s actually a charity move). And now that there are outside investors, management cannot simply throw more money at fighters at “above market rate” pay scales, taking money out of the investors’ pockets. The investors would argue: these guys are replaceable- there are plenty more guys out there willing to fight at the same or lower pay rates, so why are you taking our money and giving it to them?

by Arca MMA on Apr 22, 2011 3:53 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I think on a very basic level,

you can look at the live gate and PPV revenue generated by a single event, and then look at the payroll for that event. There are many articles floating out there about this, and the basic gist of things are that just the live gate of an average pay per view is more than enough to pay the fighters, several times over. I believe the profit from such a venture probably entire cost of the event, and if not, then a small portion of the pay per view revenue definitely covers whatever is left. The rest of the money goes into the executive’s pockets, into marketing and expansion, etc.

My mother is a professor and is very respected in the special events management trade, and so I have a decent idea of what goes into putting on an event like a UFC card. There is ALOT of money floating around that should be going to the fighters.

Xtreme Couture- The best never rest!

"I swear it upon Zeus an outstanding runner cannot be the equal of an average wrestler."
-Socrates

by ElliotMatheny on Apr 22, 2011 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

"Should" be going to the fighters...

Is an emotional argument as opposed to an economic, logical conclusion. It might make us, the fans, feel good. But reducing shareholder returns to favor the fighters is irresponsible management. The external shareholders in particular could potentially sue management for that. As I keep saying, the shareholders’ risking money (and they LOST money in the early days) is what entitles them to the profits. There’s nothing that entitles fighters to a share of the profits, except what management deems appropriate to incentivise good performance.

by Arca MMA on Apr 24, 2011 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Shareholders?

Zuffa is privately owned. Fertitta bros, Dana, and Flash- those ARE the shareholders.

“Should” is an emotional and economic argument. Such a small portion of Zuffa’s revenue actually goes to the fighters that they can afford to spring for health care for the employees. ALL major sports organizations provide a health insurance plan for their athletes, and MMA is the most injurious sport of them all. It’s absolutely bush league not to provide a health plan.

Xtreme Couture- The best never rest!

"I swear it upon Zeus an outstanding runner cannot be the equal of an average wrestler."
-Socrates

by ElliotMatheny on Apr 25, 2011 6:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t want the fighters to depend on the UFC’s benevolence forever. They need to unionize, they need to do it without/in the face of opposition by ownership, and the big stars are going to have to take one for the(ir) team(mates). Until they do, the system they get is the system they deserve. It HAS to come from them, collectively, to mean anything.

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by Derek Suboticki on Apr 21, 2011 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

In relation to the bonuses, I like them and I think the fighters do too. Cutting them in half and distributing another $5,000 to six prelim fighters is peanuts to me.

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by Derek Suboticki on Apr 21, 2011 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Would $20K be peanuts?

by dmayeda on Apr 21, 2011 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just don’t think it’s enough to raise the floor to an acceptable level. That’s only going to come when the roster demands and gets a certain percentage of the revenues. I don’t think that’s wise or will happen for a few years because of how much they’re investing in legalization and international expansion (I see them dumping some money into judge/ref training and better drug testing before the end of the decade as well), but they can easily have that AND collectively negotiate for spreading the wealth as you said.

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by Derek Suboticki on Apr 21, 2011 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I generally am anti-union

But in the case of the UFC (I haven’t really thought about overall MMA… seems impractical now) I think a collective (Association, perhaps rather than “Union”) for the lower ranked fighters makes sense. I’m not 100% sure you need Couture/GSP etc. backing it.

Imagine how it would be if the top 10 fighters all refused to join, but everyone ranked 11 and below in the UFC (let’s say 20-40 more fighters per division, or roughly 200 fighters) joined.

This group would be influential enough to negotiate better rates. Perhaps not a fixed percentage of revenues, but overall better $ and benefits; maybe you could negotiate annual raises to the basic rates (excluding “promotions” to higher contract rates); or better still, a raise linked to the revenue growth rate (yeah, but what happens if revenue drops, eh? :) ).

by Arca MMA on Apr 22, 2011 4:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

A discretionary bonus system with no transparency and based purely on the whims of ownership

would be the first thing a union cuts.

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by pdl on Apr 21, 2011 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

…unless they agreed to it with some kind of provision (ie, both sides agree on a fan vote, which already failed miserably, or some other method of deciding.) Any/everything would be on the table.

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by Derek Suboticki on Apr 21, 2011 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

It would get shot down since many fighters would be inelligible for fan voting

based solely on a lack of airtime for all fights to get even similar exposure. Main card curtain jerker gets fewer viewers than headliners, prelim guys don’t have a fighting chance (no pun intended). Oh yeah, and we didn’t vote for Riddle vs. Pierson. Which was AWESOME! Shonuff vs. Hamman level epic war there.

It would be gone, so would locker room bonuses. Which would be a huge positive overall for the fighters. Ironically, the xOTN bonuses and undisclosed bonuses are two tools used disempower the athletes [and to pull the wool over the eyes of fans].

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by pdl on Apr 21, 2011 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

You know...

Even in big companies like the global management consultancies I’ve worked for, the bonuses and raises and initial salary negotiations are anything but transparent. To expect transparent UFC bonuses is unrealistic. If the Union demanded the back room bonuses be done away with, what would happen, anyway? The bonuses would probably just stay in the owners’ pockets!

by Arca MMA on Apr 22, 2011 4:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with this, it has to come collectively from the fighters, and thus far to my knowledge, there has not been any movement of this type. Will check back in later; gotta prep for some other stuff.

by dmayeda on Apr 21, 2011 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

lower fighters actually take less risks

based on my observation at least, it actually seems that, counterintuitively, most fighters at the lower and middle end of the roster are far more interested in winning in order to maintain their tenuous place in the UFC over taking chances to get a bonus or become an organizational favorite. part of the reason may simply be that less-skilled fighters have less dynamic and finishing skills, but clearly the disincentive of being cut outweighs all else. risk-aversion at its finest, but not surprising when your organization dominates the sport.

by Trust Doesn't Rust on Apr 21, 2011 6:53 PM EDT reply actions  

I like exciting fights and don't mind encouraging them...

But the counter argument is valid too – you want the best fighters in the UFC, not simply “the most exciting”.

by Arca MMA on Apr 22, 2011 4:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

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