UFC 129 Fight Card: The Other Side of Randy Couture, Part 1
Randy Couture is one of mixed martial arts most enduring legends. He's a multi-time UFC champion. He's universally acknowledged to be the best game-planner and tactician in the history of the young sport.
He's also an excellent commentator with a gift for explaining the action inside the cage in such a way that anyone paying attention can follow what's happening.
But, like everyyone else he's also a flawed human being. And judging by the number of business relationships he's gone through in his career it would seem that Couture's flaws impact disproportionately on his teammates and business partners.
As we head into what might be his last fight against Lyoto Machida at UFC 129, I wanted to take a look at his reported history outside the cage.
MMA business history was made in the gym at the back of a car lot in Gresham, Oregon. It was there that Randy Couture gathered with fellow Olympic wrestlers Dan Henderson and Matt Lindland. As the three tested each other on the mat, they dreamed big about more than just athletic glory. In the sport of MMA, fame and fortune (especially fortune) didn't come easy. The picture above shows the trio when they were friends forming a business together and having fun.
If Couture wanted to succeed, he told Michael Straka on Fighting Words, he was going to have to use every tool at his disposal:
We started looking at it differently a few years ago. We formed Team Quest up in Oregon, looking at it more like a business instead of just a room where some guys could work out. And that started my mindset looking at brands, looking at logos, looking at all those things. It changed the way I thought...I started looking at myself as an athlete and a fighter a little differently. (Now I have) a clothing line, a supllement line, the books, the training centers, all these things...
Like many pro athletes, Randy has worked hard to get the best possible deal for himself and has seemingly gotten into contract disputes with most of the promoters he's ever worked with. Everywhere he's gone reports of conflict have followed.
Amazingly, through almost a decade and a half of bitter battles all over the world, Couture maintains his nice guy reputation. Despite multiple alleged betrayals of friends, spouses, and business partners, he's still Captain America.
According to many fans and reporters who've met him, Randy Couture isn't a warm and fuzzy kind of guy. Don't get me wrong. He's done some legitimately great things for our troops. But not everyone enjoys their time with Couture. FIGHT Magazine's Donovan Craig described a typical encounter with Couture in the magazine's March 2008 issue:
He stands ramrod straight and looks at me as if he's sizing me up through a pane of glass. His stare is piercing yet disinterested and his body language is cold. He speaks to me in a faint voice, as if he's thinking about a million different things. "We'll work it out," he says unconvincingly as he goes into the gym to begin his morning workout. I have traveled across the country to speak him, but when I catch him in the parking lot of his gym in the early morning; it is obvious to me that he is no mood to be interviewed.
...When his workout is over, he barrels past me into his office at the front of the gym. Every so often, I peek in to see if we can do the interview. I am either completely ignored or am met with the same icy glare I received in the parking lot. After a while, I give up. Maybe tomorrow, I think. I am disappointed. After all, I have been setting this up for months. He is supposed to know about it, and I have traveled across the country to talk to him. I will admit to being a little put out. But then again, for such a remarkable man as Randy Couture, one makes allowances.
From an allegedly contentious split with RAW (Real American Wrestlers), to his decision to hold out on the SEG era UFC and walk away from the UFC heavyweight title,Couture has always pushed hard for what he felt he deserved. As the UFC crumbled beneath a barrage of attacks from politicians and cable companies, "Captain America" was the only fighter to insist on his full paycheck -- even as the company stood on the brink of bankruptcy.
If you believe what you read in the press, it wasn't just business partners that saw the hard side of Randy Couture. His friends and teammates have also allegedly been left behind as his career took off. From the looks of it, the break with Team Quest after six years together wasn't particularly clean. Not only did Couture leave abruptly, he even returned to open a potentially competing gym just miles away from his former teammates. Years later, FIGHT Magazine asked the remaining Team Quest founders about the split:
"Randy kind of separated himself," Henderson says. "He broke off contact with us. It was a little weird for awhile."
Couture even opened a gym in Vancouver, Wash., 20-miles north of the original Team Quest gym.
"I was like, ‘What is he doing?' So I asked him and he said he thought it was far enough away it wouldn't affect our membership," Lindland says. "He was right. We didn't lose any fighters. It's not like he is a coach there. All the guys he coaches are in Vegas."
Lindland is being kind and gracious because he can be. Couture's gym failed in the marketplace and Team Quest is going strong. It's easy to forgive when the battle has been fought and won. But Lindland wasn't the only business partner Couture parted ways with under seemingly questionable circumstances
Former Xtreme Couture striking coach Shawn Tompkins was very diplomatic in his public statements when he parted ways with Xtreme Couture, but rumor has it that privately he was furious at having moved to Las Vegas with the expectations that he would be the lead trainer at the gym. Instead, he was pushed aside in favor of Neal Melanson.
Whatever the truth of their relationship, Tompkins certainly wasn't reluctant to coach Hall of Famer Mark Coleman against Couture at UFC 109.
In the next installment we'll talk about Couture's attempt to leave the UFC in 2007.
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This is a good article, I don’t see why it would be controversial, he didn’t state anything outrageous.
I tend to be biased towards strikers . . . exciting strikers.
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by VeeisAnimated on Apr 20, 2011 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, the "deeply flawed" comment is a strong opinion
So Randy plays hardball in business. When it suits him, he leaves a partnership. I’m not sure that makes him a “deeply flawed” person.
by Arca MMA on Apr 20, 2011 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
But the article didn’t really mention anything about friendships and marriages. I wouldn’t be surprised if he really was an a-hole, sort of like Michael Jordan, but the article really didn’t put forth anything of even anecdotal nature that would seem to bear that out.
i have never met the man
But I know one of his kids step dads. Dude says he’s a giant asshole, but generally step dads and dads can be at odds. So take that for what its worth.
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by the-gentle-way on Apr 20, 2011 5:43 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
This article actually proves that Randy is a very smart businessman. Any big-name fighter that doesn’t squeeze every penny they can out of the MMA business is an absolute moron.
Too bad all that business acumen gets wasted when he has to give half his shit to a new ex-wife every five years or so.
by Steve4192 on Apr 20, 2011 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
lol @ that pic.
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by xFenixKnightx on Apr 20, 2011 2:07 PM EDT reply actions 6 recs
Someone send that book to Sonnen ASAP!
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by spectaa on Apr 20, 2011 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
One of my favorite MMA pics ever.
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by Derek Suboticki on Apr 20, 2011 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
He’s universally acknowledged to be the best game-planner and tactician in the history of the young sport.
I don’t think this is true at all.
I’m not really a fan of Randy, but Donovan Craig just comes off as really whiny there.
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by Jack.Barrington on Apr 20, 2011 2:08 PM EDT reply actions
Having spent an afternoon with Randy, I understand exactly where Craig is coming from.
by Jonathan Snowden on Apr 20, 2011 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Well what does he expect from him?
I have traveled across the country to speak him, but when I catch him in the parking lot of his gym in the early morning; it is obvious to me that he is no mood to be interviewed.
Seriously, did he expect him to be all cheery and desperate to be interviewed early in the morning, on his way to work, with an obviously gruelling day ahead of him? Like I said, he just comes off as whiny and I don’t even like Randy.
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by Jack.Barrington on Apr 20, 2011 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Honestly, who wants to hang out with Journalists though
People who are watching, deducing, and prying, only to take that info back to www.punchuindaface.com and write articles like this. If we’re going to speculate what a crazed evil bastard Randy is, lets speculate why hes like this. Go wait till you’re in your mid thirties and clean floor as the Alderwood mall for awhile
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by Jonnycaz2.0 on Apr 20, 2011 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
I wasn’t there as a “journalist.” And Donovan was there for FIGHT Magazine, not www.punchuindaface.com. So your scenario doesn’t fit.
by Jonathan Snowden on Apr 20, 2011 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Your lack of specifics forced me to speculate
You know Joe, Brandon Vera is considered to be a Heavyweight George St.Pierre because he just comes, comes, and comes again... -Mike Goldberg, UFC 57
Cheick Kongo looks like a cross between Evander Holyfield and pop singer Seal!
Melvin Guilard looks like a little Kevin Randelman!
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But you still are a “journalist”. Whether you were there as one or not doesn’t really matter all that much. Jonnycaz’s point stands IMO.
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by Jack.Barrington on Apr 20, 2011 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
He had no idea I was a journalist. I’m just saying Donovan’s experience wasn’t an isolated one.
by Jonathan Snowden on Apr 20, 2011 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m sure it’s not an isolated one, but I still think he’s just whining about someone being no worse than curt with him.
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by Jack.Barrington on Apr 20, 2011 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
talking to journalists is part of his business
at least Snowden is answering your questions & giving you insight.
You might have a different perspective if it had been you had flown out to do a scheduled interview & were given the cold shoulder. Journalists work for a paycheck as well.
Who's the only one here who knows illegal ninja moves from the government?
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by tigerlee on Apr 20, 2011 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Answering what questions?
Craig is upset because Couture was more interested in training and doing his job than giving him an interview, and because he wasn’t in the mood to answer questions early one morning on his way to the gym.
I appreciate that Craig travelled for the interview, but he’s setting his expectations very high if things like that discourage him so much.
I’m not really sure what the whole “talking to journalists is part of his business” thing is about. It’s entirely up to Couture if he’s enthusiastic about giving interviews, and there’s certainly nothing wrong with him being more interested in actual things in his own life like training etc. than he is in giving Donovan Craig a story.
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by Jack.Barrington on Apr 20, 2011 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions
This is delusional. He didn’t fly into Las Vegas with no notice to interview Randy Couture for a FIGHT Magazine cover story. Get the fuck out of here.
by Jonathan Snowden on Apr 20, 2011 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
Acting this petulantly when you disagree with people only makes you and the site look bad, Jonathan.
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by Jack.Barrington on Apr 21, 2011 3:34 AM EDT up reply actions
provoking?
were there any ad hominem attacks against snowden in his post?
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- Bob Cole
Get the fuck out of here.
Other members would be warned for this, regardless of provocation. I liked the article, and neither know nor care whether or not Couture is a nice man , but this hardly a fitting way to conduct yourself.
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by Drunken cutman on Apr 21, 2011 7:02 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
You are missing the point entirely. As the article states, it was a scheduled interview, not just some unannounced pop-in. If Randy or his PR person committed to talking with Craig, then Couture needs to fulfill that obligation. Giving Craig the brush-off just because Randy suddenly decided it wasn’t worthy of his time is a total bush league move.
How’d that go down?
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by Rundownloser on Apr 20, 2011 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
name another fighter who's even known for his gameplanning
the only other one I can think of is GSP.
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Randy uses almost the same gameplan in every fight: Get in your opponent’s face, strike a little, clinch, dirty boxing, work a takedown from there and then GnP from half guard or against the cage. Every fight.
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by Jack.Barrington on Apr 20, 2011 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Well he did try a unique takedown against James Toney.
Yes, I kid.
I tend to be biased towards strikers . . . exciting strikers.
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by VeeisAnimated on Apr 20, 2011 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
lol, turn this man green.
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by Jack.Barrington on Apr 20, 2011 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Randy uses almost the same gameplan in every fight: Get in your opponent’s face, strike a little, clinch, dirty boxing,
Didn’t quite do that against Mr. Toney…
What he did was shoot in from a really far distance, something i haven’t seen Randy do before.
My favorite K1 fighter:
Yuta Kubo the best 70kg striker in the world.
by Untitled_Artistry on Apr 20, 2011 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
You're late to the party.
I tend to be biased towards strikers . . . exciting strikers.
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by VeeisAnimated on Apr 20, 2011 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Never joined the decision buddy…
just wanted it to be known. That Randy is average.
My favorite K1 fighter:
Yuta Kubo the best 70kg striker in the world.
by Untitled_Artistry on Apr 20, 2011 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions
just saying, scroll up a little bit. It was acknowledged.
I tend to be biased towards strikers . . . exciting strikers.
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by VeeisAnimated on Apr 20, 2011 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Nah,
Do you know what his thought process before he first match against Anderson Silva?
Well I have more muscular physique so I can use my (obvious) strength to over-power him. Unfortunately like many fans Franklin thought strength was based on appearance.
I tend to be biased towards strikers . . . exciting strikers.
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by VeeisAnimated on Apr 20, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Close, but not quite
Franklin thought strength was based on XIENCE!!!!
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by TheFilt on Apr 20, 2011 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
True, but in his first fight with Anderson, he didn’t really know what to expect. He had just 1 prior fight in the UFC. Franklin was better prepared for Silva in his second fight, but like the second fight, it didn’t end well and ended quickly. Now we all know what Silva is capable of but at the time, no one knew. I can’t really blame Franklin for not being prepared for the first fight.
Before their first fight at UFC 64, Rich claimed to be very familiar with Anderson. He cornered against Anderson when Jeremy Horn fought him, and had watched a lot of tape in the lead up to that fight.
The only thing that happened to Franklin is that he ran into a fighter that was on a different level than he was. Not much he could do about that.
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I'm sorry Nate but the whole gameplanning thing is just hype
- Couture didn’t acknowledge or prepare for Lesnar’s obvious long reach. He stated that in his post-fight interviews.
- Couture was suprised about Noguiera’s boxing skills.
I think its hype. Koscheck was considered a good striker after knocking out some really poor strikers. Hype.
I tend to be biased towards strikers . . . exciting strikers.
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by VeeisAnimated on Apr 20, 2011 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Kos is a good striker
Good, not great. If he’s not a great striker, does that make calling him a good striker hype?
(No.)
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by Derek Suboticki on Apr 20, 2011 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
BJ Penn against Fitch
is one of the best I’ve ever seen.
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by TheFilt on Apr 20, 2011 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Prime Fedor
The game plan in the 3rd Nog fight threw everyone for a loop and was extremely effective. Also stalking down Cro Cop in that fight, keeping Cro Cop moving backwards.
by Jimmersonz on Apr 20, 2011 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Randy Couture is a flawed human being just like the rest of us?
SAY IT AIN’T SO!!
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by Brian Mayes on Apr 20, 2011 2:17 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
He is supposed to know about it, and I have traveled across the county to talk to him
If he really means county and not country…it’s really can’t be that far can it?
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by casey manrique on Apr 20, 2011 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s not just the size of the county, it’s the terrain. It’s very hilly.
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by crinow on Apr 20, 2011 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Kid Nate
Do you know much about the time he spent with Matt Thornton at the Straight Blast Gym? I’ve seen video of him training there with Nate Quarry from back in the early-mid 90’s. Just curious how/when that fits into the puzzle. I’ve heard Thornton say they worked together to adjust Randy’s Greco game for MMA.
by mictlantechutli on Apr 20, 2011 2:19 PM EDT reply actions
This bit is also kind of unfair:
As the UFC crumbled beneath a barrage of attacks from politicians and cable companies, “Captain America” was the only fighter to insist on his full paycheck-even as the company stood on the brink of bankruptcy.
Surely there’s nothing wrong with that? If you work for a company and they have committed to paying you then surely you have every right to demand your full pay, even if the company have got themselves into financial difficulties.
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by Jack.Barrington on Apr 20, 2011 2:19 PM EDT reply actions 5 recs
rec'd
started to say the same thing.
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by bobthewriter on Apr 20, 2011 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
So he has the audacity to request his full paycheck, and he blew off an interview. CALL THE GESTAPO!
by Patrick79x on Apr 20, 2011 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
I heard he also left the toilet seat up once. That bastard.
by joshyboy708 on Apr 20, 2011 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions 8 recs
Why is it the mans job to put the toilet seat down? It should be the women’s job to put the seat up. Fuck yeah I’m smart
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by crinow on Apr 20, 2011 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Just enjoy the irony
Of Kid Nate taking Randy Couture to task for not sacrificing money to help keep the UFC afloat.
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by Derek Suboticki on Apr 20, 2011 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
Green’d.
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by Rundownloser on Apr 20, 2011 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
So you've never heard
of a company that is struggling financially asking all of it’s employees to take a pay cut to help survive?
by Mandmeisterx on Apr 20, 2011 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions
got that right
if it’s not his fault the company has problems, they owe the man what they’ve agreed to pay him.
by Victor Rodriguez on Apr 20, 2011 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Finally, a piece that doesn’t portray Couture of MMA’ s equivalent of Jesus Christ. That new ‘head coach’ Melanson will never have credibility for me after handing out a black belt (who knows what style it was in) to Couture after submitting James Toney. Cheap publicity stunt or not, it was embarrassing to watch.
by sheikybaby on Apr 20, 2011 2:19 PM EDT reply actions 6 recs
Huh? It was his BJJ black belt. Melanson talked about this in his interview with KJ, he was gonna give it to him 2 months before that but decided it’d be cool to do it after his win. It’s not like he just gifted to him. Geez.
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by Tim Burke on Apr 20, 2011 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I thought
Melanson specifically said it wasn’t a BJJ belt. He just uses that same colored belt system for his own brand of catch/submission wrestling..
by mictlantechutli on Apr 20, 2011 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Geez, this was posted on BE YESTERDAY
KJ: One of the key topics of discussion recently, particularly among Brazilian Jiu Jitsu players, was your awarding of Randy Couture’s blackbelt after his victory against James Toney. Was that something you had planned on doing for a while, or was it an on-the-day, spur of the moment thing?
NM: I was going to give Randy his black belt two months prior to the event, but I wanted to do something nice for him and present it to him in front of the world. He deserves it and needs to be recognized for his accomplishment
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by Tim Burke on Apr 20, 2011 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
mictlantechutli’s right, it’s not BJJ, it’s Melanson’s own catch/submission wrestling. I don’t think he was questioning your comment on him planning to give it him anyway, he was just adding that it’s not strictly BJJ.
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by Jack.Barrington on Apr 20, 2011 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Thank you Mr. Barrington
I’ll go away now.
by mictlantechutli on Apr 20, 2011 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
You are catching some flak in some of the comments directly below you, and maybe they have a point. However, I definitely think it has far more effect after a nice submission victory over someone credible. Then you watch it and you recognize that he’s been working on his bjj for awhile and that the belt is a well deserved reward. After the toney fight, the moment didn’t quite have the same “pop”
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He already said in the interview
That it was for earlier training, he just chose to give it to him after the fight so everyone could see the accomplishment, a fairly innocuous move and motive imo. Did you even read the article? Even if it was for self promotion, which I doubt as he’s fully saturated with students and is in no way trying to get more, so what? You’re just a dick. And the article also explained the ground game pedigree he has, it’s not a joke at all.
by Matty Euripides Castourkas on Apr 20, 2011 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Some guys are nice to the media, some guys are not nice to the media.
Also: Randy’s a sketchy dude who’s been married a bunch of times.
Henderson and Lindland are sketchy too.
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by Forrest Lynn on Apr 20, 2011 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Nothing very earth shattering in any of those statements.
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by Forrest Lynn on Apr 20, 2011 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
My father is kind of a sketchy dude who’s been married a bunch of times too. Doesn’t mean he’s not a good guy. Nobody is perfect.
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That's a relative term
It all depends on who you ask. I’m sure at least one person he’s divorced doesn’t have the best opinion of him.
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When you put people’s private lives out in the public, it never looks good. That goes for you, me, Randy Couture and everyone else.
In the clearing stands a boxer And a fighter by his trade And he carries the reminders Of ev'ry glove that layed him down Or cut him till he cried out In his anger and his shame "I am leaving, I am leaving" But the fighter still remains
Neither do I. Neither does Randy. He openly talks about his personal issues, which makes him a lot different than most people. Ever read his book? He admits to trying to talk his girlfriend (who ended up being his first wife) into getting an abortion. She wouldn’t do it. The kid? Ryan Couture.
You could write three books about the stupid, awful stuff I’ve done in my life. Whether or not anyone would want to read it, is the question.
In the clearing stands a boxer And a fighter by his trade And he carries the reminders Of ev'ry glove that layed him down Or cut him till he cried out In his anger and his shame "I am leaving, I am leaving" But the fighter still remains
Yeah, it’s funny. As I read Randy’s book, I thought to myself, “Wow, he’s… not a very nice person.”
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I would say that Randy is considered “Captain America” more because of these reasons rather than despite them. It humanizes him. We all have foibles and indiscretions that we have to deal w/. He does so, and in a public forum w/ very little apologies. To me this makes his moniker more apropos.
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by F'n Clownshoes on Apr 20, 2011 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions
C'mon...
You think people say "look..its Randy “the Natural” Couture. He’s been divorced, bailed on friends, and split on business…if that’s not Captain America, I don’t know what is….
by Fedorable on Apr 21, 2011 1:47 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think so, Yeah
they see a flawed man but an insanely good fighter. most people want to look past celebrities, athletes, leaders flaws. they make fun of it, chat about it, blog about it, but at the end of the day just want to put it away and see the fight, movie, etc. being flawed and still succeeding is what the American and British (i’ve only lived here for 2 years but) people love to see.
i don’t care about the personal life of athletes or politicians or strangers or even friends if they choose to keep me out of their other business. this was just my opinion of why the nick name works on other levels. like i said, it e=seems apropos.
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by F'n Clownshoes on Apr 21, 2011 3:14 AM EDT up reply actions
When you put people’s private lives out in the public, it never looks good. That goes for you, me, Randy Couture and everyone else.
Bullshit. Lots of good people live lives they can be proud of, don’t abandon children and wives, and are loyal to friends.
by Jonathan Snowden on Apr 20, 2011 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Apparantly I don’t hang around with the crowd you do Jon.
No one is a saint.
In the clearing stands a boxer And a fighter by his trade And he carries the reminders Of ev'ry glove that layed him down Or cut him till he cried out In his anger and his shame "I am leaving, I am leaving" But the fighter still remains
There hasn’t been a President, a Pope or anyone else that hasn’t done at least ONE thing people would find off putting. Expecting a professional prize fighter to be as clean as the driven snow is asking a bit much.
In the clearing stands a boxer And a fighter by his trade And he carries the reminders Of ev'ry glove that layed him down Or cut him till he cried out In his anger and his shame "I am leaving, I am leaving" But the fighter still remains
no one's asking that Randy be pure as the driven snow
it’s just the marked contrast between his public persona and his reputation inside the MMA world is so dramatic that I thought it merited some stories.
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Randy has been pretty open and honest about his private life. Read his book. Furthermore, what is Randy’s “public persona”? It’s that he’s a soft spoken, humble guy who’s also a heck of a fighter. That doesn’t preclude one from having bad marriages or business deals or whatever.
In the clearing stands a boxer And a fighter by his trade And he carries the reminders Of ev'ry glove that layed him down Or cut him till he cried out In his anger and his shame "I am leaving, I am leaving" But the fighter still remains
Although he is being open
The UFC markets him as if he’s a combination of Brian Stann and Jesus.
"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."
I’ve never seen the UFC market him as anything other than Randy Couture, legendary cage fighter. If anything, Zuffa doesn’t really care for Randy and haven’t since the beginning. Remember, they origanally signed Pedro Rizzo to a huge deal in the hopes that he would rid them of Randy.
In the clearing stands a boxer And a fighter by his trade And he carries the reminders Of ev'ry glove that layed him down Or cut him till he cried out In his anger and his shame "I am leaving, I am leaving" But the fighter still remains
Captain America
A hero. A true champion and gentlemen.
During a broadcast, I’ve never heard one word about Couture other than him being the most awesome man alive. Except when he went to Japan.
"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."
Is he a hero? He’s certainly an MMA hero. Nothing beyond that.
Is he a true champion? Yes, very much so.
Gentleman? Most of the time.
In the clearing stands a boxer And a fighter by his trade And he carries the reminders Of ev'ry glove that layed him down Or cut him till he cried out In his anger and his shame "I am leaving, I am leaving" But the fighter still remains
Remember, they origanally signed Pedro Rizzo to a huge deal in the hopes that he would rid them of Randy.
I don’t think this is true. Rizzo had been fighting for the UFC for a couple of years before Zuffa bought the company, back when Randy was still handing his arm off to guys in Japan.
by Jonathan Snowden on Apr 20, 2011 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions
When Zuffa bought the UFC, they signed Pedro to a VERY lush deal, as they figured he was going to be HW champion and a huge star. As we all know, it didn’t quite work out that way.
In the clearing stands a boxer And a fighter by his trade And he carries the reminders Of ev'ry glove that layed him down Or cut him till he cried out In his anger and his shame "I am leaving, I am leaving" But the fighter still remains
by Brian Mayes on Apr 21, 2011 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Who’s talking about a prize fighter? You’re acting like most people in the world conduct themselves this way. Quite a few people don’t. Don’t set your standards so low that this behavior is somehow “OK.”
by Jonathan Snowden on Apr 20, 2011 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions
What behavior? Having marriages go to pot? Having business relationships fall apart? Not being nice to a reporter?
You guys act like he’s Mike Tyson or something.
In the clearing stands a boxer And a fighter by his trade And he carries the reminders Of ev'ry glove that layed him down Or cut him till he cried out In his anger and his shame "I am leaving, I am leaving" But the fighter still remains
I don't like your tone, sir.
Are you insinuating that Mike Tyson is some kind of bad person?
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I thought the fact that Mike Tyson is a sociopath was well known by the masses. My bad!
In the clearing stands a boxer And a fighter by his trade And he carries the reminders Of ev'ry glove that layed him down Or cut him till he cried out In his anger and his shame "I am leaving, I am leaving" But the fighter still remains
Despite the popular rumors, he has not eaten anyone’s hearts or their children.
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The children weren’t cooked to his liking.
In the clearing stands a boxer And a fighter by his trade And he carries the reminders Of ev'ry glove that layed him down Or cut him till he cried out In his anger and his shame "I am leaving, I am leaving" But the fighter still remains
by Brian Mayes on Apr 20, 2011 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
He fits the critia I guess
If you’re not robbing, hurting, raping or killing people you’re not a bad person.
"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."
Ole Iron Mike has done at least three of those things, and I wouldn’t be suprised if he’s done the fourth.
Fantastic fighter, awful person.
In the clearing stands a boxer And a fighter by his trade And he carries the reminders Of ev'ry glove that layed him down Or cut him till he cried out In his anger and his shame "I am leaving, I am leaving" But the fighter still remains
I know a guy who races pigeons. He’s one of the most disturbed people I have ever met. I guess crazy people are drawn to pigeons like I’m drawn to ice cream.
In the clearing stands a boxer And a fighter by his trade And he carries the reminders Of ev'ry glove that layed him down Or cut him till he cried out In his anger and his shame "I am leaving, I am leaving" But the fighter still remains
I dunno, dude.
Ole Iron Mike has done at least three of those things, and I wouldn’t be suprised if he’s done the fourth.
Do you really think he’s ever robbed someone?
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by alicks on Apr 20, 2011 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You crack me up.
In the clearing stands a boxer And a fighter by his trade And he carries the reminders Of ev'ry glove that layed him down Or cut him till he cried out In his anger and his shame "I am leaving, I am leaving" But the fighter still remains
I was gonna say
“You know he rape that woman”
But admitted to raping other women so its a moot point.
"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."
It’s also a bit much to say “abandon” (unless of course you’re referencing some shit I’m not privy to). I think it’s fucking crazy talk to equating divorces as “abandoning children and wives.”
"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito Ortiz on Vitor Belfort at Affliction:DOR
by Rundownloser on Apr 20, 2011 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I wrote equating, but I meant equate.
"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito Ortiz on Vitor Belfort at Affliction:DOR
by Rundownloser on Apr 20, 2011 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Thank you....
People talk about what he does as OK, and him just being human. But when you’ve had and left numerous wives, and you screw over business partners/former best friends…well then clearly you don’t care about much outside of yourself…
and money, and that hot girl in the corner of the gym.......
but who f’n cares. he’s a polarizing famous figure. as such, w/ the way the cult of celebrity works, he gets a pass, and gets to be shown to the world as an amazing athlete w/ real human qualities…..pffft…who cares.
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by F'n Clownshoes on Apr 21, 2011 3:18 AM EDT up reply actions
This is the same group of guy’s who think Charlie Sheen is awesome…………..
In the clearing stands a boxer And a fighter by his trade And he carries the reminders Of ev'ry glove that layed him down Or cut him till he cried out In his anger and his shame "I am leaving, I am leaving" But the fighter still remains
by Brian Mayes on Apr 21, 2011 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Another thing
If you’re not robbing, hurting, raping or killing people you’re not a bad person.
"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."
What about the producer of Arriany’s new song?
If you can't wow them with brilliance, then baffle them with bullshit.
by DayGeaux on Apr 20, 2011 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
They should go jump off a cliff.
In the clearing stands a boxer And a fighter by his trade And he carries the reminders Of ev'ry glove that layed him down Or cut him till he cried out In his anger and his shame "I am leaving, I am leaving" But the fighter still remains
how high is the cliff..?
Jonny Bench called.
by Sterling Archer on Apr 20, 2011 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
'bout 6'1".

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by alicks on Apr 20, 2011 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
“Theo… did you eat all of the hoggies”
My favorite K1 fighter:
Yuta Kubo the best 70kg striker in the world.
by Untitled_Artistry on Apr 20, 2011 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Combustible Huckstable
Have you ever noticed that anybody driving slower than you is an idiot, and anyone going faster than you is a maniac?
George Carlin
Wasn't 'The Magic of Randy Couture' Part 1?
…and this should be part 2?
:)
Why didn't I know about this stuff in '95?
I got to know Randy fairly well a few years back while working on an MMA documentary
He’s genuinely a very nice guy who seems to love training and the camaraderie that goes along with it. He always seemed to be very well respected and even admired by his training partners (check out his demeanor while cornering Gina Carano during the Cyborg fight for a glimpse into this side of his personality). If I had to define a flaw, it would be that he has trouble knowing who to trust and when. I’ve personally seen the offputting, mumbling Randy as described above, and have seen it in certain interviews as well. If he doesn’t know you or doesn’t know if he can trust you he will put on that front. By the same token, however, I have personally seen him overly trusting of what I took to be obvious shysters, opportunists, and hangers-on. I recall Dana White saying during the UFC retirerment fiasco that Randy was being taken advantage of by some shyster Hollywood agent or something like that. I don’t know any details, but I suspect Dana was spot-on with this, as it seems like the exact situation Randy could and would fall into.
by Trust Doesn't Rust on Apr 20, 2011 2:35 PM EDT reply actions 11 recs
that's an interesting insight
and would go a long way to explaining the split between his on camera persona and what’s reported back stage.
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A lot of people have two sides. Nobody is perfect, especially athletes even though we want to picture them as perfect.
The issue with hollywood agents is definitely true — Dana mentioned this when he was talking about Jon Jones — and hoping that Jones doesn’t get sucked into that with those type of people.
Nobody is perfect
We don’t know each other so I won’t take offense at this statement.
by High Knee Destroyer on Apr 20, 2011 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
If anyone comes off as not caring if he is seen as nice...
It’s Dana. He plays extreme hardball and doesn’t make any excuses for it. Gotta respect that, but you don’t gotta like it :)
Randy? I’m sure he’s not perfect, but Deeply Flawed implies that he’s far worse than the average and that seems a little unfair based on the evidence provided in the article.
for the record, the only one of those Team Quest guys I would categorize as “deeply flawed” is Matt Lindland, at least from what I’ve seen.
by Trust Doesn't Rust on Apr 20, 2011 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Are you forgetting Chael?
In the clearing stands a boxer And a fighter by his trade And he carries the reminders Of ev'ry glove that layed him down Or cut him till he cried out In his anger and his shame "I am leaving, I am leaving" But the fighter still remains
How dare you make such baseless accusations.
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by alicks on Apr 20, 2011 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Heck, I think Mexican Chael is the best of the two.
In the clearing stands a boxer And a fighter by his trade And he carries the reminders Of ev'ry glove that layed him down Or cut him till he cried out In his anger and his shame "I am leaving, I am leaving" But the fighter still remains
God help us all.
In the clearing stands a boxer And a fighter by his trade And he carries the reminders Of ev'ry glove that layed him down Or cut him till he cried out In his anger and his shame "I am leaving, I am leaving" But the fighter still remains
Better of the two
Since it seems to be Grammar NAZI week, I thought I’d chip in.
by High Knee Destroyer on Apr 20, 2011 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions
from what i saw of chael, he seems to have a major inferiority complex (he was prone to outright lie for no reason about minor things— sound familiar?), and came off as fairly naive when i knew him, but otherwise seemed like a decent guy. i’m not a psychoanalyst so it’s hard to define deeply flawed. lindland, however, seems like, well, seems like the type of guy who’d coach his fighters to do the phantom tap maneuver that team quest has become so notorious for.
by Trust Doesn't Rust on Apr 20, 2011 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions
"I was absolutely devastated," Sonnen says. "I needed professional help. I’ve never been knocked out, never been TKO’d. I‘ve never been dominated, I‘ve never had anyone throw me down and beat me up, I‘ve never been out-struck, I’ve never been out wrestled, I‘ve never been out-anything. But somewhere in the second round, I’d check out. I’d start questioning myself. ‘Do I have enough energy? Can I go on?’ Stuff everybody has to deal with, but I wasn’t dealing with it right."
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Chael was a guy who really mystified me in a lot of ways because he’d come off as this insanely confident and cocky guy, even though much of his boasting could easily be checked or refuted (and didn’t always benefit him that much anyway). He would often state that he was going to become the governor of Oregon. Not “I hope to go into politics, maybe somebody become governor,” but “I am going to be the governor of Oregon.” He would also say total lies about his fight record like “I’ve won all my fights, except for one time when I had a draw against this guy in Japan.” And these were not things he’d say on camera or in public or whatever— he’d tell you these things just casually in conversation. I still hear him say stuff like this in interviews, such as the one you quoted above, where he’ll rationalize his record by saying that he may have lost but he’s never LOST lost. Goes without saying, but I wasn’t surprised to hear about the real estate fraud.
by Trust Doesn't Rust on Apr 20, 2011 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree, it's very weird.
I only started following the sport very recently, so my first exposure to Chael Sonnen was the article that I quoted above. He seemed to me like an okay guy – obviously he knew he had shortcomings, but he seemed as if he worked to get past them.
Fast-forward to the lead-in for UFC 117 – I could hardly believe it was the same guy. While I found (and still find) Chael’s antics hilarious, I couldn’t believe the guy hyping himself this loudly was the same guy who openly admitted he had problems in the mental-game.
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Actually not quite... he's also a real estate agent
Thank god he’s not a lawyer :P
There’s no denying that someone sold a line of shit to Randy after he beat Gonzaga, or that Randy bought it.
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by Derek Suboticki on Apr 20, 2011 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Trust knows of what he speaks.
The important ones, team mates, Sons and those who know the real Randy, love and admire him.
Really, does anything else matter?
Nate, good piece
I look forward to the rest.
I tend to be biased towards strikers . . . exciting strikers.
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VEe is ANIMated!
Good to see this acknowledged
People talk about him like he’s nice guy.
"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."
Either way i hope he gets KTFO in his last fight just like liddell
by LosLurkos on Apr 20, 2011 2:53 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
i fully expect
a vicious KO via Lyoto’s karate (the dane cook of martial arts)
Jonny Bench called.
by Sterling Archer on Apr 20, 2011 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
It adds up like a KO to me
I don’t think Randy has anything for him.
He has no striking game to keep Lyoto guessing and isn’t a very good wrestler at this point. I don’t see how he closes the distance without getting tagged. Lyoto is so much faster I think he could completely avoid Couture if he choose to.
I don’t see this happening because Machida lost his last fight by decision because he wasn’t aggressive enough and Randy’s gameplan is obviously to wall and stall. When you factor in Randy’s weak chin and Lyoto’s power, I see a KO.
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by TheFilt on Apr 20, 2011 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Machida's Judo and Sumo > Randy's Roman Greco
I don’t know about KO but the possibly is definitely there in Machida’s favor.
Randy is talking about submitting Machida. I guess his gameplanning is totally ignoring Machida’s grappling skills and strengths in the clinch.
I tend to be biased towards strikers . . . exciting strikers.
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by VeeisAnimated on Apr 20, 2011 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
This is one of the few fights I'd bet money on
Rampage and Rashad >>>>>> Randy in 2011.
He couldn’t get Brandon Vera down…..
"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."
(the dane cook of martial arts)
So only 13-16 year olds think Machida’s good in karate?
If you can't wow them with brilliance, then baffle them with bullshit.
by DayGeaux on Apr 20, 2011 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
someone needs to watch my show more
Jonny Bench called.
by Sterling Archer on Apr 20, 2011 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I watch it every week. I musta missed that one
If you can't wow them with brilliance, then baffle them with bullshit.
It's when they are talking about Krava Maga in episode two
Of the first season. I’m something of a fanatic when it comes to Archer.
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by Drunken cutman on Apr 21, 2011 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I like Randy
Granted I only see the Randy on TV, but that goes the same for every fighter…
And from what I’ve seen, Randy is one of the good guys.
Good article though, very interesting stuff.
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by tito (eight and oh) on Apr 20, 2011 3:07 PM EDT reply actions
imma talk for me and a lot of southamerica fans
we loathe randy, we think he’s so overhyped(i’m talking to you rogan), he’s just an over average well rounded fighter in an era of bellow average HWs with a couple of nice fights in LHW… no more than that, his style is not exciting, he’s not the best HW nor best LHW ever, he’s been given 4 too many title shots….
and that’s just inside the cage, a republican jock, with no respect for friendship or any type of loyalty, deserves not that much respect nor atention as he’s received all his career
hoping he really retires this time
a republican jock
Abraham Lincoln was a republican jock (same sport even).
I’d say Chael is in good company.
Except
in the mid 19th century the Republican party was the liberal party.
Conducting an experiment on knocking people out in particular ways would be unethical.
OK
Allied commander in WW2 and former president Dwight D Eisenhower was a republican jock.
Point being, disparaging someone based on their athletic background or political affiliation is silly. Not all jocks are assholes, and not all republicans are evil members of the Illuminati.
by Steve4192 on Apr 20, 2011 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
yes, he's overhyped
but to give the flip side to your characterization: he’s a 5 time champion, and the first in the UFC to hold belts in 2 weight classes. Does he get too many title shots? Maybe, but he wins enough of them that you can’t really hold it against him. His return against Sylvia was epic. He’s successful at a high level in one of the most grueling sports in the world at nearly 50 years old.
Yes, announcers are annoyingly all over his nuts, but the guy has had some truly epic moments. I don’t think he has any business fighting Machida, but it’s F-ing Randy Couture, so you never know, he might just find a way to win it.
I don’t mind reading an article about his flaws, to balance out Rogan’s slobbering, but I don’t know how you can think he’s ‘just an over average well rounded fighter’.
I consider myself a softcore fan.
Despite betrayals of friends, spouses, and business partners, he’s still Captain America.
Does this imply that he is more American, or less? I mean Donald Trump is thinking of running for president, and you could write the same exact thing.
Despite betrayals of friends, spouses, and business partners, he’s stillCaptain AmericaThe Donald.
Who's the only one here who knows illegal ninja moves from the government?
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