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UFC 129 Fight Card: The Other Side of Randy Couture, Part 1

Handbook_teamquest_masterte_mediumRandy Couture is one of mixed martial arts most enduring legends. He's a multi-time UFC champion. He's universally acknowledged to be the best game-planner and tactician in the history of the young sport.

He's also an excellent commentator with a gift for explaining the action inside the cage in such a way that anyone paying attention can follow what's happening.

But, like everyyone else he's also a flawed human being. And judging by the number of business relationships he's gone through in his career it would seem that  Couture's flaws impact disproportionately on his teammates and business partners.

As we head into what might be his last fight against Lyoto Machida at UFC 129, I wanted to take a look at his reported history outside the cage.

MMA business history was made in the gym at the back of a car lot in Gresham, Oregon. It was there that Randy Couture gathered with fellow Olympic wrestlers Dan Henderson and Matt Lindland. As the three tested each other on the mat, they dreamed big about more than just athletic glory. In the sport of MMA, fame and fortune (especially fortune) didn't come easy. The picture above shows the trio when they were friends forming a business together and having fun.

If Couture wanted to succeed, he told Michael Straka on Fighting Words, he was going to have to use every tool at his disposal:

We started looking at it differently a few years ago. We formed Team Quest up in Oregon, looking at it more like a business instead of just a room where some guys could work out. And that started my mindset looking at brands, looking at logos, looking at all those things. It changed the way I thought...I started looking at myself as an athlete and a fighter a little differently. (Now I have) a clothing line, a supllement line, the books, the training centers, all these things...

Like many pro athletes, Randy has worked hard to get the best possible deal for himself and has seemingly gotten into contract disputes with most of the promoters he's ever worked with. Everywhere he's gone reports of conflict have followed.

Amazingly, through almost a decade and a half of bitter battles all over the world, Couture maintains his nice guy reputation. Despite multiple alleged betrayals of friends, spouses, and business partners, he's still Captain America.

According to many fans and reporters who've met him, Randy Couture isn't a warm and fuzzy kind of guy. Don't get me wrong. He's done some legitimately great things for our troops. But not everyone enjoys their time with Couture.  FIGHT Magazine's Donovan Craig described a typical encounter with Couture in the magazine's March 2008 issue:

He stands ramrod straight and looks at me as if he's sizing me up through a pane of glass. His stare is piercing yet disinterested and his body language is cold. He speaks to me in a faint voice, as if he's thinking about a million different things. "We'll work it out," he says unconvincingly as he goes into the gym to begin his morning workout. I have traveled across the country to speak him, but when I catch him in the parking lot of his gym in the early morning; it is obvious to me that he is no mood to be interviewed.

...When his workout is over, he barrels past me into his office at the front of the gym. Every so often, I peek in to see if we can do the interview. I am either completely ignored or am met with the same icy glare I received in the parking lot. After a while, I give up. Maybe tomorrow, I think. I am disappointed. After all, I have been setting this up for months. He is supposed to know about it, and I have traveled across the country to talk to him. I will admit to being a little put out. But then again, for such a remarkable man as Randy Couture, one makes allowances.

From an allegedly contentious split with RAW (Real American Wrestlers), to his decision to hold out on the SEG era UFC and walk away from the UFC heavyweight title,Couture has always pushed hard for what he felt he deserved. As the UFC crumbled beneath a barrage of attacks from politicians and cable companies, "Captain America" was the only fighter to insist on his full paycheck -- even as the company stood on the brink of bankruptcy.

If you believe what you read in the press, it wasn't just business partners that saw the hard side of Randy Couture. His friends and teammates have also allegedly been left behind as his career took off. From the looks of it, the break with Team Quest after six years together wasn't particularly clean. Not only did Couture leave abruptly, he even returned to open a potentially competing gym just miles away from his former teammates. Years later, FIGHT Magazine asked the remaining Team Quest founders about the split:

"Randy kind of separated himself," Henderson says. "He broke off contact with us. It was a little weird for awhile."

Couture even opened a gym in Vancouver, Wash., 20-miles north of the original Team Quest gym.

"I was like, ‘What is he doing?' So I asked him and he said he thought it was far enough away it wouldn't affect our membership," Lindland says. "He was right. We didn't lose any fighters. It's not like he is a coach there. All the guys he coaches are in Vegas."

Lindland is being kind and gracious because he can be. Couture's gym failed in the marketplace and Team Quest is going strong. It's easy to forgive when the battle has been fought and won. But Lindland wasn't the only business partner Couture parted ways with under seemingly questionable circumstances

Former Xtreme Couture striking coach Shawn Tompkins was very diplomatic in his public statements when he parted ways with Xtreme Couture, but rumor has it that privately he was furious at having moved to Las Vegas with the expectations that he would be the lead trainer at the gym. Instead, he was pushed aside in favor of Neal Melanson

Whatever the truth of their relationship, Tompkins certainly wasn't reluctant to coach Hall of Famer Mark Coleman against Couture at UFC 109

In the next installment we'll talk about Couture's attempt to leave the UFC in 2007. 

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Wow. This should create some controversy.

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by Tim Burke on Apr 20, 2011 2:04 PM EDT reply actions  

This is a good article, I don’t see why it would be controversial, he didn’t state anything outrageous.

I tend to be biased towards strikers . . . exciting strikers.
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by VeeisAnimated on Apr 20, 2011 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

When it applies to freindships and marriages

its a little different.

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by TheFilt on Apr 20, 2011 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

But the article didn’t really mention anything about friendships and marriages. I wouldn’t be surprised if he really was an a-hole, sort of like Michael Jordan, but the article really didn’t put forth anything of even anecdotal nature that would seem to bear that out.

by Pantherhare on Apr 20, 2011 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Its only part 1....

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by TheFilt on Apr 20, 2011 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

i have never met the man

But I know one of his kids step dads. Dude says he’s a giant asshole, but generally step dads and dads can be at odds. So take that for what its worth.

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by the-gentle-way on Apr 20, 2011 5:43 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

This article actually proves that Randy is a very smart businessman. Any big-name fighter that doesn’t squeeze every penny they can out of the MMA business is an absolute moron.

by MMABookworm on Apr 20, 2011 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

One of my favorite MMA pics ever.

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by Derek Suboticki on Apr 20, 2011 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

He’s universally acknowledged to be the best game-planner and tactician in the history of the young sport.

I don’t think this is true at all.

I’m not really a fan of Randy, but Donovan Craig just comes off as really whiny there.

"A champion is someone who gets up when he can't." - Jack Dempsey

by Jack.Barrington on Apr 20, 2011 2:08 PM EDT reply actions  

Having spent an afternoon with Randy, I understand exactly where Craig is coming from.

by Jonathan Snowden on Apr 20, 2011 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well what does he expect from him?

I have traveled across the country to speak him, but when I catch him in the parking lot of his gym in the early morning; it is obvious to me that he is no mood to be interviewed.

Seriously, did he expect him to be all cheery and desperate to be interviewed early in the morning, on his way to work, with an obviously gruelling day ahead of him? Like I said, he just comes off as whiny and I don’t even like Randy.

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by Jack.Barrington on Apr 20, 2011 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wasn’t there as a “journalist.” And Donovan was there for FIGHT Magazine, not www.punchuindaface.com. So your scenario doesn’t fit.

by Jonathan Snowden on Apr 20, 2011 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Your lack of specifics forced me to speculate

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by Jonnycaz2.0 on Apr 20, 2011 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

But you still are a “journalist”. Whether you were there as one or not doesn’t really matter all that much. Jonnycaz’s point stands IMO.

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by Jack.Barrington on Apr 20, 2011 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

He had no idea I was a journalist. I’m just saying Donovan’s experience wasn’t an isolated one.

by Jonathan Snowden on Apr 20, 2011 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m sure it’s not an isolated one, but I still think he’s just whining about someone being no worse than curt with him.

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by Jack.Barrington on Apr 20, 2011 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

talking to journalists is part of his business

at least Snowden is answering your questions & giving you insight.

You might have a different perspective if it had been you had flown out to do a scheduled interview & were given the cold shoulder. Journalists work for a paycheck as well.

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by tigerlee on Apr 20, 2011 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Answering what questions?

Craig is upset because Couture was more interested in training and doing his job than giving him an interview, and because he wasn’t in the mood to answer questions early one morning on his way to the gym.

I appreciate that Craig travelled for the interview, but he’s setting his expectations very high if things like that discourage him so much.

I’m not really sure what the whole “talking to journalists is part of his business” thing is about. It’s entirely up to Couture if he’s enthusiastic about giving interviews, and there’s certainly nothing wrong with him being more interested in actual things in his own life like training etc. than he is in giving Donovan Craig a story.

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by Jack.Barrington on Apr 20, 2011 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, if you want to make money off of being a entertainer, i.e. well known athlete with your icome based on how popular you are and additional income streams from business related to your name and image, then you NEED to talk to the people who will promote you to the fans, i.e. journalists.

by Bakuto on Apr 20, 2011 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Acting this petulantly when you disagree with people only makes you and the site look bad, Jonathan.

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by Jack.Barrington on Apr 21, 2011 3:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

and provoking him to the point where you get that reply makes you look worse.

by Rich Hansen on Apr 27, 2011 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

provoking?

were there any ad hominem attacks against snowden in his post?

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by kellly on Apr 27, 2011 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

You are missing the point entirely. As the article states, it was a scheduled interview, not just some unannounced pop-in. If Randy or his PR person committed to talking with Craig, then Couture needs to fulfill that obligation. Giving Craig the brush-off just because Randy suddenly decided it wasn’t worthy of his time is a total bush league move.

by Velcro on Apr 20, 2011 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Randy’s had his eye on you for a while.

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by TheFilt on Apr 20, 2011 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

How’d that go down?

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by Rundownloser on Apr 20, 2011 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

name another fighter who's even known for his gameplanning

the only other one I can think of is GSP.

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by Nate Wilcox on Apr 20, 2011 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

That doesn’t say “fighter” though. I think people would lean towards Jackson or something, if it’s open to everyone. I would still say Randy no matter what, but I can see why people could take issue.

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by Tim Burke on Apr 20, 2011 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Randy uses almost the same gameplan in every fight: Get in your opponent’s face, strike a little, clinch, dirty boxing, work a takedown from there and then GnP from half guard or against the cage. Every fight.

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by Jack.Barrington on Apr 20, 2011 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol, turn this man green.

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by Jack.Barrington on Apr 20, 2011 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Randy uses almost the same gameplan in every fight: Get in your opponent’s face, strike a little, clinch, dirty boxing,

Didn’t quite do that against Mr. Toney…

What he did was shoot in from a really far distance, something i haven’t seen Randy do before.

My favorite K1 fighter:

Yuta Kubo the best 70kg striker in the world.

by Untitled_Artistry on Apr 20, 2011 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

You're late to the party.

I tend to be biased towards strikers . . . exciting strikers.
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by VeeisAnimated on Apr 20, 2011 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Never joined the decision buddy…

 just wanted it to be known. That Randy is average.

My favorite K1 fighter:

Yuta Kubo the best 70kg striker in the world.

by Untitled_Artistry on Apr 20, 2011 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks.

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by spectaa on Apr 20, 2011 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

just saying, scroll up a little bit. It was acknowledged.

I tend to be biased towards strikers . . . exciting strikers.
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by VeeisAnimated on Apr 20, 2011 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rich Franklin, maybe?

by Keren on Apr 20, 2011 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nah,

Do you know what his thought process before he first match against Anderson Silva?

Well I have more muscular physique so I can use my (obvious) strength to over-power him. Unfortunately like many fans Franklin thought strength was based on appearance.

I tend to be biased towards strikers . . . exciting strikers.
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by VeeisAnimated on Apr 20, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Close, but not quite

Franklin thought strength was based on XIENCE!!!!

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by TheFilt on Apr 20, 2011 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

True, but in his first fight with Anderson, he didn’t really know what to expect. He had just 1 prior fight in the UFC. Franklin was better prepared for Silva in his second fight, but like the second fight, it didn’t end well and ended quickly. Now we all know what Silva is capable of but at the time, no one knew. I can’t really blame Franklin for not being prepared for the first fight.

by Keren on Apr 20, 2011 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Before their first fight at UFC 64, Rich claimed to be very familiar with Anderson. He cornered against Anderson when Jeremy Horn fought him, and had watched a lot of tape in the lead up to that fight.

The only thing that happened to Franklin is that he ran into a fighter that was on a different level than he was. Not much he could do about that.

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by Brian Mayes on Apr 20, 2011 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

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by Derek Suboticki on Apr 20, 2011 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

BJ Penn against Fitch

is one of the best I’ve ever seen.

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by TheFilt on Apr 20, 2011 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Prime Fedor

The game plan in the 3rd Nog fight threw everyone for a loop and was extremely effective. Also stalking down Cro Cop in that fight, keeping Cro Cop moving backwards.

by Jimmersonz on Apr 20, 2011 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

He is supposed to know about it, and I have traveled across the county to talk to him

If he really means county and not country…it’s really can’t be that far can it?

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by Tim Burke on Apr 20, 2011 2:17 PM EDT reply actions  

By foot, smartass—and yes it’s a very big county.

by casey manrique on Apr 20, 2011 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s not just the size of the county, it’s the terrain. It’s very hilly.

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by crinow on Apr 20, 2011 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Kid Nate

Do you know much about the time he spent with Matt Thornton at the Straight Blast Gym? I’ve seen video of him training there with Nate Quarry from back in the early-mid 90’s. Just curious how/when that fits into the puzzle. I’ve heard Thornton say they worked together to adjust Randy’s Greco game for MMA.

by mictlantechutli on Apr 20, 2011 2:19 PM EDT reply actions  

rec'd

started to say the same thing.

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by bobthewriter on Apr 20, 2011 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why is it the mans job to put the toilet seat down? It should be the women’s job to put the seat up. Fuck yeah I’m smart

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by crinow on Apr 20, 2011 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Green’d.

"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito Ortiz on Vitor Belfort at Affliction:DOR

by Rundownloser on Apr 20, 2011 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

So you've never heard

of a company that is struggling financially asking all of it’s employees to take a pay cut to help survive?

by Mandmeisterx on Apr 20, 2011 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

got that right

if it’s not his fault the company has problems, they owe the man what they’ve agreed to pay him.

by Victor Rodriguez on Apr 20, 2011 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Huh? It was his BJJ black belt. Melanson talked about this in his interview with KJ, he was gonna give it to him 2 months before that but decided it’d be cool to do it after his win. It’s not like he just gifted to him. Geez.

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by Tim Burke on Apr 20, 2011 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

I thought

Melanson specifically said it wasn’t a BJJ belt. He just uses that same colored belt system for his own brand of catch/submission wrestling..

by mictlantechutli on Apr 20, 2011 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Geez, this was posted on BE YESTERDAY
KJ: One of the key topics of discussion recently, particularly among Brazilian Jiu Jitsu players, was your awarding of Randy Couture’s blackbelt after his victory against James Toney. Was that something you had planned on doing for a while, or was it an on-the-day, spur of the moment thing?

NM: I was going to give Randy his black belt two months prior to the event, but I wanted to do something nice for him and present it to him in front of the world. He deserves it and needs to be recognized for his accomplishment

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by Tim Burke on Apr 20, 2011 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

mictlantechutli’s right, it’s not BJJ, it’s Melanson’s own catch/submission wrestling. I don’t think he was questioning your comment on him planning to give it him anyway, he was just adding that it’s not strictly BJJ.

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by Jack.Barrington on Apr 20, 2011 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I take it back then. My bad. I thought he was referring to his BJJ black belt.

Sorry mictla…ahhh, I can’t type all that. Sorry dude.

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by Tim Burke on Apr 20, 2011 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

You are catching some flak in some of the comments directly below you, and maybe they have a point. However, I definitely think it has far more effect after a nice submission victory over someone credible. Then you watch it and you recognize that he’s been working on his bjj for awhile and that the belt is a well deserved reward. After the toney fight, the moment didn’t quite have the same “pop”

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by crinow on Apr 20, 2011 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

He already said in the interview

That it was for earlier training, he just chose to give it to him after the fight so everyone could see the accomplishment, a fairly innocuous move and motive imo. Did you even read the article? Even if it was for self promotion, which I doubt as he’s fully saturated with students and is in no way trying to get more, so what? You’re just a dick. And the article also explained the ground game pedigree he has, it’s not a joke at all.

by Matty Euripides Castourkas on Apr 20, 2011 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ooh! It’s finally here. I love it. Looking forward to the reactions to this.

by Horselover Fat on Apr 20, 2011 2:21 PM EDT reply actions  

Some guys are nice to the media, some guys are not nice to the media.

Also: Randy’s a sketchy dude who’s been married a bunch of times.

Henderson and Lindland are sketchy too.

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by Forrest Lynn on Apr 20, 2011 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

My father is kind of a sketchy dude who’s been married a bunch of times too. Doesn’t mean he’s not a good guy. Nobody is perfect.

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by Brian Mayes on Apr 20, 2011 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's a relative term

It all depends on who you ask. I’m sure at least one person he’s divorced doesn’t have the best opinion of him.

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by TheFilt on Apr 20, 2011 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

SHOCKING!!!!!

In the clearing stands a boxer And a fighter by his trade And he carries the reminders Of ev'ry glove that layed him down Or cut him till he cried out In his anger and his shame "I am leaving, I am leaving" But the fighter still remains

by Brian Mayes on Apr 20, 2011 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

When you put people’s private lives out in the public, it never looks good. That goes for you, me, Randy Couture and everyone else.

In the clearing stands a boxer And a fighter by his trade And he carries the reminders Of ev'ry glove that layed him down Or cut him till he cried out In his anger and his shame "I am leaving, I am leaving" But the fighter still remains

by Brian Mayes on Apr 20, 2011 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nobody pretends I'm a great guy

not even me.

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by TheFilt on Apr 20, 2011 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Neither do I. Neither does Randy. He openly talks about his personal issues, which makes him a lot different than most people. Ever read his book? He admits to trying to talk his girlfriend (who ended up being his first wife) into getting an abortion. She wouldn’t do it. The kid? Ryan Couture.

You could write three books about the stupid, awful stuff I’ve done in my life. Whether or not anyone would want to read it, is the question.

In the clearing stands a boxer And a fighter by his trade And he carries the reminders Of ev'ry glove that layed him down Or cut him till he cried out In his anger and his shame "I am leaving, I am leaving" But the fighter still remains

by Brian Mayes on Apr 20, 2011 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

You have a very good point

that is all

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by TheFilt on Apr 20, 2011 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, it’s funny. As I read Randy’s book, I thought to myself, “Wow, he’s… not a very nice person.”

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by alicks on Apr 20, 2011 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

[Amazingly, through almost a decade and a half of bitter battles all over the world, Couture maintains his nice guy reputation. Despite betrayals of friends, spouses, and business partners, he's still Captain America.]

I would say that Randy is considered “Captain America” more because of these reasons rather than despite them. It humanizes him. We all have foibles and indiscretions that we have to deal w/. He does so, and in a public forum w/ very little apologies. To me this makes his moniker more apropos.

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by F'n Clownshoes on Apr 20, 2011 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

C'mon...

You think people say "look..its Randy “the Natural” Couture. He’s been divorced, bailed on friends, and split on business…if that’s not Captain America, I don’t know what is….

by Fedorable on Apr 21, 2011 1:47 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I think so, Yeah

they see a flawed man but an insanely good fighter. most people want to look past celebrities, athletes, leaders flaws. they make fun of it, chat about it, blog about it, but at the end of the day just want to put it away and see the fight, movie, etc. being flawed and still succeeding is what the American and British (i’ve only lived here for 2 years but) people love to see.
i don’t care about the personal life of athletes or politicians or strangers or even friends if they choose to keep me out of their other business. this was just my opinion of why the nick name works on other levels. like i said, it e=seems apropos.

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by F'n Clownshoes on Apr 21, 2011 3:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

You could write three books about the stupid, awful stuff I’ve done in my life. Whether or not anyone would want to read it, is the question.

Is there any killing?

by Cunny on May 1, 2011 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

When you put people’s private lives out in the public, it never looks good. That goes for you, me, Randy Couture and everyone else.

Bullshit. Lots of good people live lives they can be proud of, don’t abandon children and wives, and are loyal to friends.

by Jonathan Snowden on Apr 20, 2011 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Apparantly I don’t hang around with the crowd you do Jon.

No one is a saint.

In the clearing stands a boxer And a fighter by his trade And he carries the reminders Of ev'ry glove that layed him down Or cut him till he cried out In his anger and his shame "I am leaving, I am leaving" But the fighter still remains

by Brian Mayes on Apr 20, 2011 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

There hasn’t been a President, a Pope or anyone else that hasn’t done at least ONE thing people would find off putting. Expecting a professional prize fighter to be as clean as the driven snow is asking a bit much.

In the clearing stands a boxer And a fighter by his trade And he carries the reminders Of ev'ry glove that layed him down Or cut him till he cried out In his anger and his shame "I am leaving, I am leaving" But the fighter still remains

by Brian Mayes on Apr 20, 2011 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

no one's asking that Randy be pure as the driven snow

it’s just the marked contrast between his public persona and his reputation inside the MMA world is so dramatic that I thought it merited some stories.

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by Nate Wilcox on Apr 20, 2011 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Randy has been pretty open and honest about his private life. Read his book. Furthermore, what is Randy’s “public persona”? It’s that he’s a soft spoken, humble guy who’s also a heck of a fighter. That doesn’t preclude one from having bad marriages or business deals or whatever.

In the clearing stands a boxer And a fighter by his trade And he carries the reminders Of ev'ry glove that layed him down Or cut him till he cried out In his anger and his shame "I am leaving, I am leaving" But the fighter still remains

by Brian Mayes on Apr 20, 2011 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Although he is being open

The UFC markets him as if he’s a combination of Brian Stann and Jesus.

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by TheFilt on Apr 20, 2011 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ve never seen the UFC market him as anything other than Randy Couture, legendary cage fighter. If anything, Zuffa doesn’t really care for Randy and haven’t since the beginning. Remember, they origanally signed Pedro Rizzo to a huge deal in the hopes that he would rid them of Randy.

In the clearing stands a boxer And a fighter by his trade And he carries the reminders Of ev'ry glove that layed him down Or cut him till he cried out In his anger and his shame "I am leaving, I am leaving" But the fighter still remains

by Brian Mayes on Apr 20, 2011 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Captain America

A hero. A true champion and gentlemen.

During a broadcast, I’ve never heard one word about Couture other than him being the most awesome man alive. Except when he went to Japan.

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by TheFilt on Apr 20, 2011 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is he a hero? He’s certainly an MMA hero. Nothing beyond that.

Is he a true champion? Yes, very much so.

Gentleman? Most of the time.

In the clearing stands a boxer And a fighter by his trade And he carries the reminders Of ev'ry glove that layed him down Or cut him till he cried out In his anger and his shame "I am leaving, I am leaving" But the fighter still remains

by Brian Mayes on Apr 20, 2011 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Remember, they origanally signed Pedro Rizzo to a huge deal in the hopes that he would rid them of Randy.

I don’t think this is true. Rizzo had been fighting for the UFC for a couple of years before Zuffa bought the company, back when Randy was still handing his arm off to guys in Japan.

by Jonathan Snowden on Apr 20, 2011 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

When Zuffa bought the UFC, they signed Pedro to a VERY lush deal, as they figured he was going to be HW champion and a huge star. As we all know, it didn’t quite work out that way.

In the clearing stands a boxer And a fighter by his trade And he carries the reminders Of ev'ry glove that layed him down Or cut him till he cried out In his anger and his shame "I am leaving, I am leaving" But the fighter still remains

by Brian Mayes on Apr 21, 2011 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Who’s talking about a prize fighter? You’re acting like most people in the world conduct themselves this way. Quite a few people don’t. Don’t set your standards so low that this behavior is somehow “OK.”

by Jonathan Snowden on Apr 20, 2011 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

What behavior? Having marriages go to pot? Having business relationships fall apart? Not being nice to a reporter?

You guys act like he’s Mike Tyson or something.

In the clearing stands a boxer And a fighter by his trade And he carries the reminders Of ev'ry glove that layed him down Or cut him till he cried out In his anger and his shame "I am leaving, I am leaving" But the fighter still remains

by Brian Mayes on Apr 20, 2011 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't like your tone, sir.

Are you insinuating that Mike Tyson is some kind of bad person?

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by alicks on Apr 20, 2011 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought the fact that Mike Tyson is a sociopath was well known by the masses. My bad!

In the clearing stands a boxer And a fighter by his trade And he carries the reminders Of ev'ry glove that layed him down Or cut him till he cried out In his anger and his shame "I am leaving, I am leaving" But the fighter still remains

by Brian Mayes on Apr 20, 2011 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Despite the popular rumors, he has not eaten anyone’s hearts or their children.

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by alicks on Apr 20, 2011 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

He fits the critia I guess
If you’re not robbing, hurting, raping or killing people you’re not a bad person.

"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."

by TheFilt on Apr 20, 2011 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ole Iron Mike has done at least three of those things, and I wouldn’t be suprised if he’s done the fourth.

Fantastic fighter, awful person.

In the clearing stands a boxer And a fighter by his trade And he carries the reminders Of ev'ry glove that layed him down Or cut him till he cried out In his anger and his shame "I am leaving, I am leaving" But the fighter still remains

by Brian Mayes on Apr 20, 2011 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

He races pigeons, bro

He wouldn’t do that.

"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."

by TheFilt on Apr 20, 2011 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know a guy who races pigeons. He’s one of the most disturbed people I have ever met. I guess crazy people are drawn to pigeons like I’m drawn to ice cream.

In the clearing stands a boxer And a fighter by his trade And he carries the reminders Of ev'ry glove that layed him down Or cut him till he cried out In his anger and his shame "I am leaving, I am leaving" But the fighter still remains

by Brian Mayes on Apr 20, 2011 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I dunno, dude.
Ole Iron Mike has done at least three of those things, and I wouldn’t be suprised if he’s done the fourth.

Do you really think he’s ever robbed someone?

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by alicks on Apr 20, 2011 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

You crack me up.

In the clearing stands a boxer And a fighter by his trade And he carries the reminders Of ev'ry glove that layed him down Or cut him till he cried out In his anger and his shame "I am leaving, I am leaving" But the fighter still remains

by Brian Mayes on Apr 20, 2011 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was gonna say

“You know he rape that woman”

But admitted to raping other women so its a moot point.

"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."

by TheFilt on Apr 21, 2011 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

"You know he didn’t rape that woman"

"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."

by TheFilt on Apr 21, 2011 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s also a bit much to say “abandon” (unless of course you’re referencing some shit I’m not privy to). I think it’s fucking crazy talk to equating divorces as “abandoning children and wives.”

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by Rundownloser on Apr 20, 2011 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wrote equating, but I meant equate.

"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito Ortiz on Vitor Belfort at Affliction:DOR

by Rundownloser on Apr 20, 2011 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thank you....

People talk about what he does as OK, and him just being human. But when you’ve had and left numerous wives, and you screw over business partners/former best friends…well then clearly you don’t care about much outside of yourself…

by Fedorable on Apr 21, 2011 1:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

and money, and that hot girl in the corner of the gym.......

but who f’n cares. he’s a polarizing famous figure. as such, w/ the way the cult of celebrity works, he gets a pass, and gets to be shown to the world as an amazing athlete w/ real human qualities…..pffft…who cares.

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by F'n Clownshoes on Apr 21, 2011 3:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

This is the same group of guy’s who think Charlie Sheen is awesome…………..

In the clearing stands a boxer And a fighter by his trade And he carries the reminders Of ev'ry glove that layed him down Or cut him till he cried out In his anger and his shame "I am leaving, I am leaving" But the fighter still remains

by Brian Mayes on Apr 21, 2011 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Another thing

If you’re not robbing, hurting, raping or killing people you’re not a bad person.

"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."

by TheFilt on Apr 20, 2011 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

They should go jump off a cliff.

In the clearing stands a boxer And a fighter by his trade And he carries the reminders Of ev'ry glove that layed him down Or cut him till he cried out In his anger and his shame "I am leaving, I am leaving" But the fighter still remains

by Brian Mayes on Apr 20, 2011 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is there pudding at the bottom?

"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."

by TheFilt on Apr 20, 2011 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

not high enough

Jonny Bench called.

by Sterling Archer on Apr 20, 2011 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

“Theo… did you eat all of the hoggies”

My favorite K1 fighter:

Yuta Kubo the best 70kg striker in the world.

by Untitled_Artistry on Apr 20, 2011 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Combustible Huckstable

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by Snatchl on Apr 20, 2011 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah birds of a feather

etc etc

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by Nate Wilcox on Apr 20, 2011 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great piece.

by troutki on Apr 20, 2011 2:24 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Wasn't 'The Magic of Randy Couture' Part 1?

…and this should be part 2?
:)

Why didn't I know about this stuff in '95?

by rdmcurator on Apr 20, 2011 2:33 PM EDT reply actions  

Fail. The other part 1 was Bishop’s piece.
My bad.

Why didn't I know about this stuff in '95?

by rdmcurator on Apr 20, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

that's an interesting insight

and would go a long way to explaining the split between his on camera persona and what’s reported back stage.

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by Nate Wilcox on Apr 20, 2011 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

A lot of people have two sides. Nobody is perfect, especially athletes even though we want to picture them as perfect.

The issue with hollywood agents is definitely true — Dana mentioned this when he was talking about Jon Jones — and hoping that Jones doesn’t get sucked into that with those type of people.

by Keren on Apr 20, 2011 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I see what you did there

by theBarbarian17 on Apr 20, 2011 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

If anyone comes off as not caring if he is seen as nice...

It’s Dana. He plays extreme hardball and doesn’t make any excuses for it. Gotta respect that, but you don’t gotta like it :)

Randy? I’m sure he’s not perfect, but Deeply Flawed implies that he’s far worse than the average and that seems a little unfair based on the evidence provided in the article.

by Arca MMA on Apr 20, 2011 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

for the record, the only one of those Team Quest guys I would categorize as “deeply flawed” is Matt Lindland, at least from what I’ve seen.

by Trust Doesn't Rust on Apr 20, 2011 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Are you forgetting Chael?

In the clearing stands a boxer And a fighter by his trade And he carries the reminders Of ev'ry glove that layed him down Or cut him till he cried out In his anger and his shame "I am leaving, I am leaving" But the fighter still remains

by Brian Mayes on Apr 20, 2011 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

How dare you make such baseless accusations.

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by alicks on Apr 20, 2011 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Chael’s not flawed, however, Mexican Chael is deeply flawed.

by Keren on Apr 20, 2011 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Heck, I think Mexican Chael is the best of the two.

In the clearing stands a boxer And a fighter by his trade And he carries the reminders Of ev'ry glove that layed him down Or cut him till he cried out In his anger and his shame "I am leaving, I am leaving" But the fighter still remains

by Brian Mayes on Apr 20, 2011 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

What makes you think there are only two?

There are dozens more Chael’s just waiting to be unveiled.

by Steve4192 on Apr 20, 2011 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

God help us all.

In the clearing stands a boxer And a fighter by his trade And he carries the reminders Of ev'ry glove that layed him down Or cut him till he cried out In his anger and his shame "I am leaving, I am leaving" But the fighter still remains

by Brian Mayes on Apr 20, 2011 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Better of the two

Since it seems to be Grammar NAZI week, I thought I’d chip in.

by High Knee Destroyer on Apr 20, 2011 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

from what i saw of chael, he seems to have a major inferiority complex (he was prone to outright lie for no reason about minor things— sound familiar?), and came off as fairly naive when i knew him, but otherwise seemed like a decent guy. i’m not a psychoanalyst so it’s hard to define deeply flawed. lindland, however, seems like, well, seems like the type of guy who’d coach his fighters to do the phantom tap maneuver that team quest has become so notorious for.

by Trust Doesn't Rust on Apr 20, 2011 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

"I was absolutely devastated," Sonnen says. "I needed professional help. I’ve never been knocked out, never been TKO’d. I‘ve never been dominated, I‘ve never had anyone throw me down and beat me up, I‘ve never been out-struck, I’ve never been out wrestled, I‘ve never been out-anything. But somewhere in the second round, I’d check out. I’d start questioning myself. ‘Do I have enough energy? Can I go on?’ Stuff everybody has to deal with, but I wasn’t dealing with it right."

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by alicks on Apr 20, 2011 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Chael was a guy who really mystified me in a lot of ways because he’d come off as this insanely confident and cocky guy, even though much of his boasting could easily be checked or refuted (and didn’t always benefit him that much anyway). He would often state that he was going to become the governor of Oregon. Not “I hope to go into politics, maybe somebody become governor,” but “I am going to be the governor of Oregon.” He would also say total lies about his fight record like “I’ve won all my fights, except for one time when I had a draw against this guy in Japan.” And these were not things he’d say on camera or in public or whatever— he’d tell you these things just casually in conversation. I still hear him say stuff like this in interviews, such as the one you quoted above, where he’ll rationalize his record by saying that he may have lost but he’s never LOST lost. Goes without saying, but I wasn’t surprised to hear about the real estate fraud.

by Trust Doesn't Rust on Apr 20, 2011 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree, it's very weird.

I only started following the sport very recently, so my first exposure to Chael Sonnen was the article that I quoted above. He seemed to me like an okay guy – obviously he knew he had shortcomings, but he seemed as if he worked to get past them.

Fast-forward to the lead-in for UFC 117 – I could hardly believe it was the same guy. While I found (and still find) Chael’s antics hilarious, I couldn’t believe the guy hyping himself this loudly was the same guy who openly admitted he had problems in the mental-game.

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by alicks on Apr 20, 2011 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

There’s no denying that someone sold a line of shit to Randy after he beat Gonzaga, or that Randy bought it.

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by Derek Suboticki on Apr 20, 2011 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Trust knows of what he speaks.

The important ones, team mates, Sons and those who know the real Randy, love and admire him.
Really, does anything else matter?

by Tehachipi on Apr 20, 2011 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know

Dave Ferra has really good relationship with Randy.

by Coeman on Apr 20, 2011 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nate, good piece

I look forward to the rest.

I tend to be biased towards strikers . . . exciting strikers.
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by VeeisAnimated on Apr 20, 2011 2:40 PM EDT reply actions  

Good to see this acknowledged

People talk about him like he’s nice guy.

"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."

by TheFilt on Apr 20, 2011 2:51 PM EDT reply actions  

Either way i hope he gets KTFO in his last fight just like liddell

by LosLurkos on Apr 20, 2011 2:53 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

You can sleep safely.

"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."

by TheFilt on Apr 20, 2011 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

i fully expect

a vicious KO via Lyoto’s karate (the dane cook of martial arts)

Jonny Bench called.

by Sterling Archer on Apr 20, 2011 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I dunno..

Randy vs Machida? Smells like a decision to me.

by POW on Apr 20, 2011 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

It adds up like a KO to me

I don’t think Randy has anything for him.

He has no striking game to keep Lyoto guessing and isn’t a very good wrestler at this point. I don’t see how he closes the distance without getting tagged. Lyoto is so much faster I think he could completely avoid Couture if he choose to.

I don’t see this happening because Machida lost his last fight by decision because he wasn’t aggressive enough and Randy’s gameplan is obviously to wall and stall. When you factor in Randy’s weak chin and Lyoto’s power, I see a KO.

"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."

by TheFilt on Apr 20, 2011 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

This is one of the few fights I'd bet money on

Rampage and Rashad >>>>>> Randy in 2011.

He couldn’t get Brandon Vera down…..

"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."

by TheFilt on Apr 20, 2011 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

(the dane cook of martial arts)

So only 13-16 year olds think Machida’s good in karate?

If you can't wow them with brilliance, then baffle them with bullshit.

by DayGeaux on Apr 20, 2011 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

someone needs to watch my show more

Jonny Bench called.

by Sterling Archer on Apr 20, 2011 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I watch it every week. I musta missed that one

If you can't wow them with brilliance, then baffle them with bullshit.

by DayGeaux on Apr 21, 2011 8:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's when they are talking about Krava Maga in episode two

Of the first season. I’m something of a fanatic when it comes to Archer.

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by Drunken cutman on Apr 21, 2011 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like Randy

Granted I only see the Randy on TV, but that goes the same for every fighter…

And from what I’ve seen, Randy is one of the good guys.

Good article though, very interesting stuff.

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by tito (eight and oh) on Apr 20, 2011 3:07 PM EDT reply actions  

imma talk for me and a lot of southamerica fans

we loathe randy, we think he’s so overhyped(i’m talking to you rogan), he’s just an over average well rounded fighter in an era of bellow average HWs with a couple of nice fights in LHW… no more than that, his style is not exciting, he’s not the best HW nor best LHW ever, he’s been given 4 too many title shots….

and that’s just inside the cage, a republican jock, with no respect for friendship or any type of loyalty, deserves not that much respect nor atention as he’s received all his career

hoping he really retires this time

by Parcero Malo on Apr 20, 2011 3:47 PM EDT reply actions  

a republican jock

Abraham Lincoln was a republican jock (same sport even).

I’d say Chael is in good company.

by Steve4192 on Apr 20, 2011 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Except

in the mid 19th century the Republican party was the liberal party.

Conducting an experiment on knocking people out in particular ways would be unethical.

by Chris Hall on Apr 20, 2011 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

OK

Allied commander in WW2 and former president Dwight D Eisenhower was a republican jock.

Point being, disparaging someone based on their athletic background or political affiliation is silly. Not all jocks are assholes, and not all republicans are evil members of the Illuminati.

by Steve4192 on Apr 20, 2011 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

yes, he's overhyped

but to give the flip side to your characterization: he’s a 5 time champion, and the first in the UFC to hold belts in 2 weight classes. Does he get too many title shots? Maybe, but he wins enough of them that you can’t really hold it against him. His return against Sylvia was epic. He’s successful at a high level in one of the most grueling sports in the world at nearly 50 years old.

Yes, announcers are annoyingly all over his nuts, but the guy has had some truly epic moments. I don’t think he has any business fighting Machida, but it’s F-ing Randy Couture, so you never know, he might just find a way to win it.

I don’t mind reading an article about his flaws, to balance out Rogan’s slobbering, but I don’t know how you can think he’s ‘just an over average well rounded fighter’.

I consider myself a softcore fan.

by Thor77 on Apr 20, 2011 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Despite betrayals of friends, spouses, and business partners, he’s still Captain America.

Does this imply that he is more American, or less? I mean Donald Trump is thinking of running for president, and you could write the same exact thing.

Despite betrayals of friends, spouses, and business partners, he’s still Captain America The Donald.

Who's the only one here who knows illegal ninja moves from the government?
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by tigerlee on Apr 20, 2011 3:57 PM EDT reply actions  

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