UFC 129: Nate Diaz Is the Underdog to Rory MacDonald
by Nick Thomas on Apr 19, 2011 11:31 PM EDT
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The odds opened up yesterday at Diaz -160 vs. MacDonald +120 but have since reversed and settled in at:
Nate Diaz -110 vs. Rory MacDonald -130
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Not the most outlandish line I have seen.
"Every time I talk on the phone with someone who doesn’t know me, they call me "ma’am"." - Scott C. Broussard
by Earl Montclair on Apr 19, 2011 11:33 PM EDT reply actions
Hmmm....I can see why.
He was seconds away from at least taking Condit to a draw if not the win and looks legit.
Diaz appears to be permanently stuck in the Prelims on Spike/PPV Opener/Fight Night phase. Not that he isn’t good, but he is a gatekeeper in both weight classes. Really fun to watch and him vs. Rory should be FOTN material.
"If I had a dollar for every brain you don't have, I'd have one dollar." - Squidward Tentacles
FOTN at this event should be huge for however gets it. Hopefully they get it!
by moonlapse88 on Apr 19, 2011 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions
As much as he may be a gate keeper
He did a smart move by changing weight classes and doing well in both. He didnt bump his weight up too much so he can still easily make 155 and he was really competative there. This just extends the life of his mediocre career and I thought that it was a really smart move. Because as soon as he starts to lose fights or they realize he doesnt have it at 170 he just can drop back down to 155 and be competative there.
Seriously don't take me serious. Seriously....
Mediocre? Anything but. To be able to survive in the ufc means you would be a champion at pretty much any regional show. Middle of the pack (where Diaz lies) means you are one of the best in the world. He may not be top 10 but he is far from mediocre and still has years left in the sport to make something happen.
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by JaeeJaee on Apr 20, 2011 1:23 AM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
Well put Jaee. I think that both of the Diaz brothers are very underrated. Nick has been getting more hype recently but he’s been one the best fighters that noone has known, for quite sometime. Nate is still trying to come up and has had some hiccups but he is constantly improving in all areas. Both of them fight for the whole 15 or 25 min that they are in the cage. They can both take punches. Most of all, they are creative and entertaining to watch. I’ve never seen a boring Diaz fight.
They are extremely underrated. I also think their style leads to some bad decisions. THey are the kinds of guys you can never count out, with chin and cardio like theirs, a submission chop to take out guys that on paper they shouldnt be able to and their unique style of fighting (which is disorienting to be on the receiving end of). I think the saying “Any given sunday” describes the Diaz Brothers in a nutshell.
"I’m anti-stalling, not anti-wrestling." - lowellthehammer
Nate would be great for a no time limit fight. Yeah, you can hold him down for 20 minutes, but then he’ll get up and kick your ass. I’ve never seen him stopped, or even seem very hurt (although a wiki search advises me that he got armbarred by Hermes Franca in 2006, prior to his TUF stint, for his sole stoppage loss)
I consider myself a softcore fan.
I agree. Their ideal weight just happens to be the one class with by far the most high level MMA Wrestlers.
I hate pulling stuff out of my ass like this with no hard evidence to back it up, but judging by appearances I think when they drop to 155 they actually lose a significant amount of weight, rather than simply cutting from 175 (or whatever they are in peak condition) down to 155 in the true sense of the word.
I have been laughed at for this before, but I think Nick/Anderson would be an outstanding fight…
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by The American Ronin on Apr 20, 2011 2:11 AM EDT up reply actions
i think it would be brief
daley dropped him…im guessing the spider would give him a pillow and some nyquil
Jonny Bench called.
by Sterling Archer on Apr 20, 2011 7:24 AM EDT up reply actions
I’ll wager that Daley hits about as hard as Anderson does, if not harder (in the cage). I certainly wouldn’t pick Diaz to win, but it would be a fun, competitive fight I think.
Honestly I think either Diaz or especially Shields would match up better with Anderson than they do with GSP, although they likely lose to either.
"Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid." -John Wayne
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by The American Ronin on Apr 20, 2011 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions
i think i would give diaz a better chance than sheilds
diaz has legit stand up, its not worldclass, but its goddamn frustrating to opponents. sheilds has turrrrrible stand up (channeled my inner barkley)
his take downs, or drag downs as it were, are so-so. i just feel that diaz is better rounded thus giving him a better shot. andersons strength is sheilds weakness, dont see that going well for jakey-poo
Jonny Bench called.
by Sterling Archer on Apr 20, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Because Nick doesnt charge in, I suspect he would do better than many people think, he peppers from range so no true momentum to counter with (anderson uses forward movement from his opponent to make his strikes more viscous). Also, his takedown D and weak takedowns wouldnt be a huge knock… Fighting is like rock scissors paper… he may stylistically be able to pull it off.
Anyone who laughs is a fool. While I agree with sterling, there is a good chance that any puts his away fast, I also think he is a live dog in that fight.
"I’m anti-stalling, not anti-wrestling." - lowellthehammer
Mediocre I guess may have been the wrong word
but he is no Nick Diaz. I agree but he still wins fights, that I see him having no business winning. I’m one of the few that def underrated him I guess. I never see h being a title contender and he has been the lucky one of a alot of good match ups. I don’t disrespect Nate, but he’s been like a clay guida except more exciting and I was stating it was a smart move to switch weight classes and extend his career length and earnings. BTW I enjoy his fights.
Seriously don't take me serious. Seriously....
that's a fair statement
I’m a Diaz fan, and I would not like his chances of seeing a title shot until he finds a way to deal with wrestlers that doesn’t involve losing rounds so readily under the current scoring. But if all he ever does is put on entertaining fights and give the double bird to the camera while executing triangle chokes, I’m ok with that.
I consider myself a softcore fan.
Let me take a stab...
900,000 PPV buys, a full house (what’s that, over 50,000 seats?), and Dana starts throwing around the heavy cash… $100k or bigger for the FOTN and other bonuses.
For all intents and purposes,
that is an even line.
"Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid." -John Wayne
Death before dishonor, drinks before lunch.
by The American Ronin on Apr 20, 2011 2:12 AM EDT up reply actions
I got Diaz by trash talk
"I'm a little worried about being a slut"
~ Bobby Hill
Nate does score fights by
effective striking
effective grappling
octagon control
and calling the other guy “bitch” more
effective striking
effective grappling
octagon control
and calling the other guy "bitch" more
Nah, that grappling and octagon control shit is whack, son!
He's a BJJ brown belt at Caesar Gracie
Just because he has a bit of Jorge Gurgel syndrome doesn’t mean he doesn’t grapple effectively.
I got money on MacDonald all day long.
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Kid Nate: ...
Is there any way to bet besides knowing someone that lives in Las Vegas?
I mean these lines are just a tease to me and some day I would love to put some money down on fights and make a pretty penny.
Seriously don't take me serious. Seriously....
The internet! I use BetUS.com and have had great experiences.
Hardcore MMA fan since UFC 99
by ChiCubs23 on Apr 19, 2011 11:51 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
i mean is that legal.
I tried some sites and they want bank statements and a scan of my photo id and stuff. I am just not comfortable doing that
Seriously don't take me serious. Seriously....
I use
bodog and have never had any problems and its legal from my understanding
Bodog is the site I am actually talking about
How did you feel giving away your photo license and bank information to them
Seriously don't take me serious. Seriously....
yes its legal
I have no idea how, but a friend of mine makes a lot of money he bets on every type of sporting event there is. He told me to give him money a few times and he bet on some college games and brought be back $300 to the $100 I gave him. I think he uses http://betonfighting.com/
It was a hassel
but I know others that use them and I have never heard anything to raise a red flag about them.
I'm with you...
I only do it using friend’s accounts…just because I am paranoid, doesn’t mean they aren’t out to get me…
"Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid." -John Wayne
Death before dishonor, drinks before lunch.
by The American Ronin on Apr 20, 2011 2:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Don't know much about betting but
isn’t where the line is at right now more a case of who is betting on who?
" Its like when I'm right I'm right, when I'm wrong I coulda been right, so I'm still right cause I coulda been wrong, you know, and I'm sorry cause I could be wrong right now, I could be wrong, but I'm right..." Bama
In theory, like in the NFL, the opening lines are generally set where they expect to get equal action on both sides and adjust as the money flows in.
Of course, also like the NFL, I imagine that there are certain things that the bookies “dangle” to try to create action by taking advantage of known fan biases.
"Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid." -John Wayne
Death before dishonor, drinks before lunch.
by The American Ronin on Apr 20, 2011 2:18 AM EDT up reply actions
wait............. diaz at negative means he is favored to win.
Seriously don't take me serious. Seriously....
Wait for it....
Luke Thomas: If Pro Wrestling had a dick, you'd be the balls!
Kid Nate: ...
by TorQus on Apr 19, 2011 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I'm just going to take your sig at face value.
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by SSreporters on Apr 19, 2011 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions
For half a second I thought " Oh wait… he’s righ…. HEYWAITAMINUTE!!!"
Luke Thomas: If Pro Wrestling had a dick, you'd be the balls!
Kid Nate: ...
lol
i didnt know both fighters could be negative though. or is that a typo?
by stiffUpperLip on Apr 20, 2011 2:11 AM EDT up reply actions
It's how the bookies make money off the marks
If it’s even, they take a slice out of both guys, geddit? They aren’t gonna give you 1 for 1 on both guys and make no margin.
Diaz got robbed in the Kim fight.
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by Pandanus on Apr 19, 2011 11:48 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
nope
"Every time I talk on the phone with someone who doesn’t know me, they call me "ma’am"." - Scott C. Broussard
by Earl Montclair on Apr 19, 2011 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Robbed of what?
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by SSreporters on Apr 19, 2011 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions
his vertical base, I suppose
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by Earl Montclair on Apr 19, 2011 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
The question you have to ask yourself
is whether or not Kim’s takedowns in the 2’nd round (that lead to nothing) are really better than Nate’s strikes. He really was marking DHK’s face up with the jab. I think we can all agree round 1 was 10-9 Kim, and round 3 was 10-9 Diaz.
I can live with someone scoring round 2 as a 10-10, but personally lean towards 10-9 Diaz, and 29-28 Diaz overall.
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by ElliotMatheny on Apr 20, 2011 9:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Fell out of his pocket and Stun Gun took it?
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by SSreporters on Apr 19, 2011 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions
30-28 Diaz
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Grams or ounces?
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Kid Nate: ...
by TorQus on Apr 19, 2011 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
This conversation is fitting
Because 4/20 is tomorrow!
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by SSreporters on Apr 19, 2011 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Is this Rory?
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by RolloTomasi on Apr 20, 2011 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Baloney
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by Derek Suboticki on Apr 20, 2011 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions
And he lost to Guida too
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by Derek Suboticki on Apr 20, 2011 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions
sure did
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by Earl Montclair on Apr 20, 2011 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Diaz got robbed in the Kim Maynard fight.
Fixed.
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by Dave Strummer on Apr 20, 2011 8:43 AM EDT up reply actions
I didn't think so.
Gray landed the much harder, clean shots throughout. Nate put up a good amount of volume, but I think Maynard’s quality prevailed over Diaz’ quantity.
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by ElliotMatheny on Apr 20, 2011 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions
I thought Nate baited Maynard into his game and then played it better
I remember scoring it a pretty clear two rounds to one for Nate.
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by Dave Strummer on Apr 20, 2011 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
This
Nate clearly won that fight he landed way more and better strikes. Gray just stood in front of him and Nate played it perfectly and used his reach and volume of strikes to pick Gray apart. I’m going to re-watch that fight right now just to make sure I seen it right the first time.
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Meh
I’ve watched that fight several times, and still think Gray landed the cleaner, harder shots throughout.
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by ElliotMatheny on Apr 20, 2011 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions
well clearly
because as we all know McDonald came out of the womb training MMA and had his first pro fight at age 2.
Off topic but
I have two friends that are brothers and they look just like the Diaz Bros. The one that looks like Nate even has the lisp its just wierd.
" Its like when I'm right I'm right, when I'm wrong I coulda been right, so I'm still right cause I coulda been wrong, you know, and I'm sorry cause I could be wrong right now, I could be wrong, but I'm right..." Bama
my cousin has a lisp............ I mean its a little off topic
Seriously don't take me serious. Seriously....
I seen the picture of Nate at the top
and that stupid little smirk on his face made me think about it. I guess I just like to say random shit to people I don’t know every once in a while.
" Its like when I'm right I'm right, when I'm wrong I coulda been right, so I'm still right cause I coulda been wrong, you know, and I'm sorry cause I could be wrong right now, I could be wrong, but I'm right..." Bama
More randomness
Anyone else glad luke thomas left this site to work on whatever he’s working on now… I’m just saying, he was kinda cool but pretty annnoying. especially when he speaks…
He is knowledge
A bit annnoying, maybe it was the beard. But honestly why does he always bash mma while comparing it to the major sports in the us. I know its kinda the style here to be controversial but it was just annnoying. And I’m not bashing BE in any way, its one of only 2 or 3mma sites I visit daily all day.
I liked the shit out of Luke and his style, especially in the comments section.
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by The American Ronin on Apr 20, 2011 2:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Pics
or it didn’t happen.
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Kid Nate: ...
DIaz an underdog?
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by Kid Khaos on Apr 20, 2011 12:15 AM EDT reply actions 6 recs
you must be new to the internet, that picture is more famous than the lone chinese guy standing in front of a tank.
by Joe_Leduc on Apr 20, 2011 12:59 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I like the diaz brothers
Especially being from the 209, but rorry mcdonald is no joke. I can see diaz being the underdog in this one. That being said I’m going for diaz lol.
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by The American Ronin on Apr 20, 2011 2:26 AM EDT up reply actions
what is that girl off of?
I see the hilarious picutres but have no clue what it is about
Best song/music video ever made.
Rebecca Black – Friday.
Fitch is awesome, I don't care what you think...
Bones Jones, future greatest MMAist ever.
I wish I could de- rec this a million times. Although Friday is a great (if unintentional) parody of modern pop music.
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by ElliotMatheny on Apr 20, 2011 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions
thats the best part about it
it shows how you don’t need talent to do music in this day and age, especially pop music. Possibly the worst song ever made, and over 111 million views.
Yeah,
there are very few musicians/ bands today that I respect. I am a music major in college right now, and I can tell good musicianship from the bad.
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by ElliotMatheny on Apr 21, 2011 6:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Open...if you dare.
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by RolloTomasi on Apr 20, 2011 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
muahahahahahahhahahaa
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by RolloTomasi on Apr 20, 2011 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
ha burt just chillin
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by AndersonSativa on Apr 20, 2011 12:26 AM EDT reply actions
Sesame Street ain't nothing to f*ck with.
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This is what the Diaz brothers watched when growing up.
by av1o3 on Apr 20, 2011 3:10 AM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
People are smart and know that TDs win fights. Diaz will probably pick Macdonald apartstanding, but Rory will take him down each round, and that would seal the deal. 30-27 Macdonald textbook for a MMA judge
by Carlos Estrada-Ibars Martínez on Apr 20, 2011 6:33 AM EDT reply actions
Wait...
Isn’t Nick a favorite on both? If you bet on him in both cases you get more money back with the same money.
Diaz reminds me of this.
Deep down they are both intelligent men.
And I reckon Diaz opening at underdog is easy money.
Just needs to learn how to ‘work’ the judges a little more.
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