Jeff Lacy's Manager: 50/50 Purse Split With Nick Diaz "Fair"
by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 18, 2011 6:00 PM EDT
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Earlier today a press release was issued by Jeff Lacy's camp to get word out that they are interested in taking Nick Diaz up on his interest in a boxing match. Lacy's best days in the boxing ring are behind him but it would appear that his camp realizes that his name is in the news and they're ready to make a push to make it stay there as long as possible. That isn't a knock on the camp, that's simply good management.
A former Olympian, "Left Hook" Lacy captured the IBF super middleweight title in only his 18th bout. Pegged as one of boxing's next great superstars by many, his career was derailed when Joe Calzaghe (an overlooked underdog heading into the bout) dominated their twelve round fight. Lacy's career has gone downhill to the point that he was used as fodder for Roy Jones Jr. to build up to the Bernard Hopkins rematch, and Jeff followed up the Jones loss with a loss to journeyman Dhafir Smith this past December.
The combination of former champion and faded skills no doubt make Lacy an appealing choice for Diaz. Lacy's camp responded to the challenge with this (from the press release):
Former super middleweight world champion Jeff "Left Hook" Lacy read with interest last Friday’s edition of the USA Today newspaper in which Strikeforce Champions’ Nick Diaz challenged him to a boxing match.
"Honestly, I was a little stunned. Nick has accomplished a great deal in mixed martial arts and is certainly one of the best in the sport. But getting in the ring with me for a boxing match is a path he needs to be very wary of taking. I’m willing to put it all on the line anytime, anywhere!" said the St. Petersburg resident.
"For the right price, I’m more than interested in heading to his turf and put my fist in his mouth and silencing him."
I reached out to Lacy's manager, Joey Gilbert, and asked if any talks have been held between the two camps and, if so, how far they had gotten:
Nothing has even been discussed, but I know both parties and both fighters are not about "talking business", they're about "making fights happen" and so the release is exactly that, Jeff's response to Nick's interest in fighting him.
Gilbert responds to my inquiry of what the purse split would need to look like:
As far as a purse goes, both men are accomplished fighters and champions, that is something we will have to sit down and negotiate. Caesar Gracie is a gentleman and knows the fight business, so I'm fairly certain neither he nor I will become the impasse should talks gain traction.
Does this mean a 50/50 purse split?:
Having not spoken to my client or anyone from Nick’s camp I think it would be irresponsible of me to pre-set terms, but if you’re asking me if I think that is fair, I certainly do. At the end of the day, they are entertainers and they’re both showing up, so maybe this is a great time to start bonuses in boxing for who wins. Paid for by the promoter of the loser of course. Who knows, maybe I seek counsel from Mr. Dana White.. he sure seems to have all the right answers lately…
And his final thoughts on the idea of the bout?:
I think that shows the kind of character Diaz has is calling out Jeff because there are far less dangerous "boxers" out there that really pose no threat. Jeff can punch and Nick knows that, so it's exciting for all fight fans (mma and boxing) and I'm a deal maker, not a deal breaker so I'm open to whatever, it's about Nick and Jeff.
I'd be lying if I said I was on board for the Nick Diaz vs. faded boxer challenge. But, I still find the story and the path it is sure to travel over the coming months to be fascinating.
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by ProfessorBLove on Apr 18, 2011 6:03 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Seriously.
I’m much more interested in Nick Diaz the MMA fighter than Nick Diaz the boxer. At this point I honestly think he might be ducking Woodley and Mayhem. Woodley is the more purist matchup, whereas Miller would be the big hype fight.
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by ElliotMatheny on Apr 19, 2011 8:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Well
I’m not a fan of this whole ordeal either, but I will watch the fuck outta that fight if it happens.
maybe this is a great time to start bonuses in boxing for who wins. Paid for by the promoter of the loser of course. Who knows, maybe I seek counsel from Mr. Dana White.. he sure seems to have all the right answers lately…
I found this pretty interesting.
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This is terrible
Why would Diaz do that freak show? This will be the exact same results when Toni went into the Octagon but now we’ll have an MMA fighter laying on the canvas.
by Coeman on Apr 18, 2011 6:07 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
$$$$$$
I don’t know if you have heard, but Nick really doesn’t like his Honda.
by Sqwibbs on Apr 18, 2011 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Funny, I have a Honda
And it’s a great car. ;)
by Christopher Bradley on Apr 18, 2011 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
mmm no,
He is set to make just a little bit more money than what he would have made with SF. And in his videos he drives a very nice Rover.
Lacy’s a mess. His nickname was “left hook” Lacy – except his left shoulder is a mess and apparently beyond repair. He can’t really even through it anymore. This is no foregone conclusion in my mind.
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dude
Toney was an asshole who wanted some money without knowing what he got into and couldn’t grapple. he was rewarded by facing a legend that was more than happy to whoop his ass. Nick has been boxing for years. i don’t see how that’s the same as this.
by Victor Rodriguez on Apr 18, 2011 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Jeff Lacy?
oh god, I remember him. Well… he still has natural talent, and more ring experience than Nick, but I don’t know. It’s actually a pretty 50/50 fight I would say. Could be an interesting bout to see where Nick ranks. If he can take Jeff’s early power and dominate him I could see potential bigger fights in the future. But if this fight turns real close or into a dominating win by Jeff… Nick should be running back to MMA quite quick.
I don’t get the want to go to boxing anyways, he’s better suited in MMA, has great jits and makes quite a good amount of money, probably more than boxing would pay him.
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probably more than boxing would pay him
He doesn’t seem to get this.
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by Chris Barton on Apr 18, 2011 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I think it is mainly about promoting the Nick Diaz brand. Even if he doesn’t make a ton more then he would otherwise make it still builds his brand. I think he saw what K1 did for Overeem and he wants to try for something like that.
by Sqwibbs on Apr 18, 2011 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Nick must be thinking
he can headline a Showtime card, which might get him a couple hundred grand.
"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."
That could be his endgame
but it seems real unlikely. Unless he is a whole lot better than anyone imagines.
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by Chris Barton on Apr 18, 2011 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Its really hard to tell
If he really is remotely competitive with Andre Ward, he could probably beat most MW-SMW’s not ranked in the top 20.
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Wonder if there is any footage of them? Back in the day we used to play street ball with a 10-day contract type from the Rockets. Our best guy could hang with him, although he always got edged out when it came down to it.
One day a relative of one of the guys (who was a D-1 starter) was in town visiting family and played with us and we got to see a whole different game, especially the speed, from the Rockets guy than we had ever seen before.
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by The American Ronin on Apr 18, 2011 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions
He makes 150,000$ just to show. Sure there isn’t a win bonus but after sponsors and undisclosed locker room cash he has to be over 200,000$ atleast.
That’s gonna get homeboy a lot of triathlon tighties without getting wrecked in an unknown sport by a former prospect.
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by LowkickGreed on Apr 18, 2011 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions
No way he could headline a showtime championship boxing card. it’d be shobox if anything and that would not be a couple hundred grand. He’d be lucky if Showtime gave them a $300k purse to split. When Lacy was an undefeated stud defending his super middleweight crown against Rubin Williams back in ‘05 he made $200,000. So it’s not like there’s just money falling out of the sky for money for a shot Jeff Lacy fight.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 18, 2011 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Well…they’re not putting it on a Showtime Championship Boxing main event.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 18, 2011 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Co-main event is realistic. OR they could just promote it as it’s own special, one-off event with their choice of boxing and/or MMA matches on the undercard. I think you’re selling short on the potential for this fight to be a blockbuster for Showtime. You don’t think it does 1 million viewers with a proper build-up in MMA and boxing media? I think interest will skew heavily toward MMA, but it’s still a money idea.
Well…given that I’ve talked to multiple boxing writers who consider this a horrible joke…I don’t think it’d get much of a build up.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 18, 2011 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I think this will find a home
The boxing vs. MMA angle will sell itself. Hell look at what happened with Couture/Toney. Most of the press was about that fight and that was where most of the interest was. You get a respected MMA fighter vs. a boxer then people wanna see it.
But again, you’re comparing two aging but well known and once GREAT fighters meeting in a super-hot MMA organization to a top ten welterweight in MMA with no huge name value vs. a guy who is best known as a horribly over-rated and over-hyped boxer whose star was lost in 2005.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 18, 2011 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Say what you will
But Lacy was almost unbeatable in Knockout Kings 2000. Only guy that gave him trouble in that game was Lennox Lewis.
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by Derek Suboticki on Apr 18, 2011 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions
then he had relations.
a loooooot of relations. all night.
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by Victor Rodriguez on Apr 18, 2011 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I honestly feel dumber for having seen that…$kala…
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by The American Ronin on Apr 18, 2011 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions
This is like saying Toney was only going to get 20k because
He was a newb in the sport and wasnt headlining etc…etc…etc….The guy made 500k in disclosed play. Your out of your mind if you think Diaz is making jump change for that fight. And comparing Diaz to James Toney? #comeonson
This is delusional. There is no way boxing promoters are going to completely break their established scale to get Nick fucking Diaz on a boxing card.
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by Chris Barton on Apr 18, 2011 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions
A) James Toney was fighting Randy Couture. Jeff Lacy is not Randy Couture.
B) Nick Diaz is absolutely not James Toney. James Toney’s peak was not being the #6-10 guy in his weight. It was being one of the best pound for pound fighters on the planet.
C) It was a fight with the weight of the UFC behind it. This will not have that kind of weight.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 18, 2011 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
The differences are subtle, but they’re there.
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by Derek Suboticki on Apr 18, 2011 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions
My thoughts were because Nick has such a big presence on Showtime, he could demand a little more than average for a main event.
"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."
You have to understand the value of those fight slots though. Showtime invests a lot of time and money into building up certain fighters and to give up one of those valuable slots and money to Diaz. Also, you have to realize that as soon as you break your standard pay structure for Diaz, it’s going to be hard to bring those numbers back to normal level for established boxers.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 18, 2011 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Good points
Do you know how the ShoBox ratings compare to Diaz SF fights?
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I do not.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 18, 2011 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't watch Boxing..
What’s the status of this guy in the sport? Is he past his prime?
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A shot Roy Jones made him look silly
And then he just lost to a journeyman that ended his relevant career.
Not afraid to nitpick
A shot Roy Jones is still better than 80% of the people out there. He actually looked pretty damn good against Lacy. But has since lost his last two, so it must of just been a good matchup.
Jones battered him with good body-head-body shots throughout the fight, could be something Nick could try to imitate if this does go down.
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by LowkickGreed on Apr 18, 2011 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh yeah
But I mean RJJ was having a conversation with people in the crowd during that “fight”, and I think the 2 fights in the 6 months after that showed he looked good more because of Lacy than anything. Lacy had nothing, and then lost to a journeyman.
Not afraid to nitpick
agreed
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by LowkickGreed on Apr 18, 2011 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions
way past. Used to be a mean boxer-puncher, but he’s injured beyond repair. He’s broke down. He’s still got a chin though.
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you dont need a left to hit diaz all day
straight punches will be sufficient
I think if promoted right, this fight could give Nick a decent payday, closer to the 1M mark
Then again it might never even materialize and this could be a fabricated bargaining chip by Diaz and Cesar
I think if promoted right, this fight could give Nick a decent payday, closer to the 1M mark
There is no chance.
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by Chris Barton on Apr 18, 2011 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions
No way in hell. It’d probably be closer to $100k
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 18, 2011 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions
That's what I'm thinking
He might get 200k, but I can’t see much more than that.
"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."
James Toney made 500k in his UFC debut
Diaz will make at least 300k.
If he is heavily promoted as the headliner
I can see around 300k, but guys get paid 500-700k to fight for a title on Showtime.
I think the average payout for a SCB card is $1.65M, with the vast majority going to the main event.
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No way in hell does he make $300K
What James Toney made to fight Randy Couture has zero baring on this situation.
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I doubt James Toney made any of that 500K actually. He was ambushed by IRS dudes after the fight. lol tax evasion.
he was still paid.
the fact that the IRS took all his shit RIGHT AT THE EVENT is irrelevant if he was still to be paid that amount. can’t say i feel sorry for him, though. he shouldn’t have been so irresponsible. he probably could have used that money to get rid of that tartar bridge he’s got on his lower row of teeth.
by Victor Rodriguez on Apr 18, 2011 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Hahaha, maybe 1M pesos...
Diaz would be lucky to rake in what he did with SF last time around, all his sponsors and additional earnings added together.
i think Diaz takes this one.. and easily
Jeff Lacy is the closest thing Boxing has to Paul Daley. He throws everything with his body behind it and he has a small gas tank. Nick Diaz has a granite chin and world class cardio. The last guy Lacy fought like that, destroyed him. Joe Calzaghe is like Diaz. He throws punches in bunches without a lot of power behind them. After a few rounds, Lacy was done and Calzaghe used Lacy’s face as a punching bag for the remainder of the fight. This is how I see the fight with Diaz going. When the betting lines open and if Diaz is a huge underdog, I’m putting all of my bodog winnings on him.
but i could see Diaz getting DQ'd
for doing something like accidentally kicking/kneeing Lacy in the face.. or flying armbar
by kamachi on Apr 18, 2011 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I like the way Diaz fights but the guy is an asshole. If he didn’t fight the way he did with the winning streak he has, people wouldn’t put up with this shit. I mean the dude is whining about money when he made $150K in January and $175K in April… and that’s just the show money. Its disrespectful to people who work their asses off in a job they do not like just to make a living (I’m not one of those people either). His “I hate the world” attitude is pretty lame if you ask me. It’s become schtick at this point. The guy is crazy if he thinks a Lacy fight is gonna generate big money too… keep firing up the Alaskan ThunderFu** and see what other ideas you come up with.
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by ChickenSalad on Apr 18, 2011 6:20 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
I read recently
Diaz has made something like 800K in salary over the last 18 months….
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Nick won a pro boxing match in 2005
by UD.
Obviously, it wasn’t against a guy on Lacy’s level but Nick’s improved greatly since then and who knows how much Jeff has fallen off. There’s a chance Nick could come out and completely dominate a former champ for 12 rounds; that would earn him a decent payday.
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are any of his fights on youtube or elsewhere?
If anyone has a link of nick diaz boxing it would be much appreciated.
I didn't see Lacy's most recent fight but...
I’m definitely surprised at how much of a chance everyone seems to think Nick has here. I personally think Lacy outclasses him the whole fight. Nick does not have the boxing experience to take on a guy at that level. Also, losing to RJJ isn’t some terrible terrible event. Sure RJJ is past his prime but he does have his moments where he looks good. If Diaz was signing up for a boxing match against RJJ would all of you think it’s an easy fight for Diaz?
heeeeeeeelllll no. Knockout round 3 or 4. It’s still Roy Jones. A little bit slower, but I’m sure he could see Nicks style coming and take advantage. I still watch Jones highlights every couple weeks to get pumped. Man that guy was a talent. “Hits like a heavyweight, moves like a lightweight.”
It’s just another sport. Can’t compare.
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by LowkickGreed on Apr 18, 2011 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Well…the rundown of Lacy’s end of his career:
- Loss to Calzaghe (no shame, but he got badly, badly exposed)
- Really lackluster majority decision over Vitaliy Tsypko
- Kind of ugly unanimous decision over Peter Manfredo Jr
- Ugly majority decision over Epi Mendoza
- dominated by Jermain Taylor
- Ugly majority decision over Otis Griffin
- Dominated by old Roy Jones Jr.
- Badly beaten on the scorecards by Dhafir Smith
I’d obviously pick Lacy in the boxing match but like…it’s not like he has done anything impressive since the Pemberton fight in 05
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 18, 2011 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I didn’t realize Lacy is 33 now either. I’m not gonna lie, I’m sorta interested in the fight. It is a good fight to see where he’s at exactly.
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by LowkickGreed on Apr 18, 2011 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Ok, just making sure.
You’re at least looking at it reasonably. I just felt an overall “tone” amongst these comments that Lacy was being led to slaughter or something. I mean, isn’t Diaz like 1-1? Sure he might get some training in with Andre Ward but I’m sure a bunch of 0-5 nobodies get to spar with him sometimes too, so that’s not exactly indicative of where his skills are. I sort of remember him face down a couple times while trying to strike in his most recent MMA fight…
I love me some MMA Nick Diaz, I’m just not sure there is a Boxing Nick Diaz to speak of.
by Brandon Starr on Apr 18, 2011 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh…pointing out that he has won a pro boxing match in the past is no proof of anything to me given how many local boxing events I’ve been to and watched AWFUL fighters get wins.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 18, 2011 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions
That's not a fair comparison
An MMA fight gives us no real insight on Nick’s boxing ability.
There’s way too many factors that completely change the way you punch and defend.
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Well, that's kind of my point.....
People are using Nick’s MMA fights to make it seem like he’s going to go in there and punish a faded Jeff Lacy. There is literally no reason why anyone should think (with the information readily available to the masses) that Nick stands any chance to hang with Lacy at all. It’s certainly possible….. but it’s also possible that a series of massive natural disasters destroys the world tomorrow.
by Brandon Starr on Apr 18, 2011 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions
What reason do we have to believe that it is outlandish
for him to beat Jeff Lacy?
Having never seen him box, I just think its not fair to write him off against a guy who has declined so sharply.
Also, I highly doubt that a man who may be the best SMW alive is paying bums to spar with him or even sparring with bums at all. We’re talking about a guy who outclassed everyone in the super 6.
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Remember that horrible, horrible heavyweight fight on the Bellator show 2 weeks ago? One of those guys used to spar with Klitschko.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 18, 2011 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Holy shit
Who?
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by Derek Suboticki on Apr 18, 2011 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I can’t remember which of those two terrible fools it was.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 18, 2011 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I will never not enjoy your hatred of mediocre MMA heavyweights. War Russow.
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by Derek Suboticki on Apr 18, 2011 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
It was the tattooed dude who lost to the blue lipped dude
Tatum: I think he's a good man. I like him. I got nothing against him, but I'm definitely gonna make orphans of his children.
by Dave Strummer on Apr 18, 2011 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I have zero tournament wins in BJJ. I have never even competed. I am a white belt with just under 2 years rolling.
I can pay to roll with Roger Gracie.
by Brandon Starr on Apr 18, 2011 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
That is an abosutely terrible
and completely inaccurate analogy. In every way.
Seeing as Diaz has boxed professionally and is a competing professional athlete and Roger Gracie is one of the very best grapplers alive and in his prime.
But if you wanna be ridiculous, sure.
"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."
No no no. I was referring to the "sparring with bums thing"
I’m obviously a “bum” in BJJ, but I can set it up to roll against Roger Gracie. I didn’t mean I can hang.
by Brandon Starr on Apr 18, 2011 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm saying that being able to spar with Andre Ward is not indicative of Diaz's boxing skills.
Anybody with some money or a name can spar with all the greatest guys out there. So basically we are going off of a 1-1 boxing record and MMA fights to determine that Nick Diaz can outbox Jeff Lacy.
by Brandon Starr on Apr 18, 2011 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree
But there’s talk as if he’s somewhat competitive with the best SMW in the world.
In my book, if its true, that gives him a decent shot at Lacy.
"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."
And there was talk that James Toney was subbing King Mo and others
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 18, 2011 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions
special forces don't tap
so, uh – i guess it was part of his training not to know.
by Victor Rodriguez on Apr 18, 2011 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions
bullshit
I have tapped every branch of the special forces.
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by the-gentle-way on Apr 19, 2011 2:01 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Seriously
SF hype is pretty crazy.
I’ve seen Navy SEALS fall out of long runs before.
SF is all hype and expensive equipment.
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by RolloTomasi on Apr 19, 2011 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions
That shit was hilarious.
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by Derek Suboticki on Apr 18, 2011 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I can dig that. I guess it depends on that statement then.
I think it was the Gilbert Melendez interview where he said something along the lines of “he can sometimes hang with Ward….etc etc…. sure he has his bad days..etc etc…. but he might have what you call good days too….”
It really didn’t sound too convincing that he was actually doing good against him. That’s what I got out of it anyways.
by Brandon Starr on Apr 18, 2011 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions
True
But Gil also sounded pretty down on himself though, talking about the way he gets beat down all the time in practice.
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Lacy is probably even money against Diaz
And yes, RJJ would still steal Diaz’ lunch money.
Not afraid to nitpick
A south paw with great cardio and reach
destroyed Lacys career, maybe Nick isn’t as dumb as most people assume.
Don’t leave out the part where…you know…Calzaghe is one of the best boxers of the past 20 years.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 18, 2011 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Joe
always was and always will be horribly under rated.
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by Chris Barton on Apr 18, 2011 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I disagree. His best win was over a strong but young and raw Mikkel Kessler, other than that he picked the bones of aged great fighters and only squeaked by them (Hop and RJJ). A younger version of either finishes what they started when they each hurt him early in their respective fights.
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He didn’t squeak by RJJ. He fucking killed him. It was ugly to watch. That said, yes. Prime RJJ takes him out whenever he likes… but who isn’t that true of? Joe was a great, just not a GREAT. People treat him like he was lucky, feather fisted bum.
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by Chris Barton on Apr 19, 2011 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions
The fact that Joe could hit him at will but couldn’t KO glass chin Roy speaks volumes about whatever brand of “great” you think he is.
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Interesting to hear it from someone outside Britain. Boxing people on tv in the UK are so biased in favour of their own
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He’s a very, very good boxer.
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by Derek Suboticki on Apr 18, 2011 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions
here's another
Calzaghe was one of the smartest, craftiest boxers of the last 25 years.
Bad Left Hook
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by Scott Christ on Apr 18, 2011 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree, but do you guys think Joe would’ve actually beaten Hopkins or Jones Jr. when they were in their prime? I agree that his record and retiring undefeated is impressive but I’ve heard he sort of dodged some of the bigger names earlier in their careers. Speculative of course but he always gets a rep for being a bit over rated.
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by LowkickGreed on Apr 18, 2011 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Well you have to consider that Joe wasn’t in his prime either when he fought those two.
Plus I remember it the other way round an all. It was Joe who was dodged the majority if his career, not the other way round.
no
he didn’t fight anywhere but manchester for 90% of his career
great point
but….. that fighter he was facing was in his prime and a swarmer, we dont really know what to expect from Diaz but one thing I dont expect is for Diaz to have great defense. He gets tagged alot in mma, Calzaghe made you miss then tagged you witha combination, then he would turn you and start all over.
Were gonna see how good of a boxer Diaz is thats the one question that will definitely be answered.
I think this has a much better chance of happening than some people realize. Lacy’s prospects for securing a big fight are currently slim to none… meanwhile, Nick Diaz is a certified hit on Showtime, with his recent fights having surpassed both the average and peak ratings of Kimbo Slice’s EliteXC fights on the channel. In effect, Cesar Gracie, Nick Diaz and Showtime are picking up where Gary Shaw and Kimbo Slice left off. Showtime has put a lot of working into cultivating their boxing and MMA products, and they already cross-promote the two during telecasts. This is the kind of fight they need to bring both audiences together. With Lacy’s career the way it is, it will probably attract more curious MMA fans and Nick Diaz supporters than boxing fans, but it’s the kind of fight that has the potential to break the 1 million viewer mark on Showtime and generate buzz in the mainstream sports media sphere. It’s also a great way for Gracie and Showtime to protect what is theirs, so to speak, with Zuffa controlling both major MMA platforms now.
i'd watch this
but its stupid
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Bad Opponent selection by team Diaz
They pick a guy that boxing people havent viewed as a legitimate threat to 168 – 175 pounders since Calzaghe absolutely dominated him. Yall ever want to see a boxing clinic watch that fight, for a guy with “feather fists” Calzaghe busted Lacy up good.
Guys does Diaz beating a guy who went THE DISTANCE WITH PETER MANFREDO JR do anything for him?
No
However, if Lacy wins, which is not a long shot by any stretch, especially if a 10 rounder. It does nothing for Diaz, he will have gotten beaten by a fighter who is viewed as shot and never reaching his full potential.
Did Marc Coleman being shot stop the UFC from headlining
Did Mayorga do anything for Cotto? He’s doing it obviously Lacy’s name value.
Lacy has no name value to speak of
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 18, 2011 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions
He is not relevant anymore
But that doesnt mean his name has no value. Every boxing fan knows who Jeff Lacy is. Its sort of a freakshow fight so people will watch and they both will make good money.
No
please knock off this crazy talk. It’s just nowhere near consistent with reality. Lacy is known by boxing fans. He’s known as somebody that isn’t very good anymore and they don’t want to pay to watch him fight.
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by Chris Barton on Apr 19, 2011 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions
You're comparing apples and oranges
As if the way the UFC books fights has any kind of influence over the way a boxing promoter books fights.
www.hottopicwithphil.com
They're very similar
At the end of the day they want to create matches that people will pay to see. People will pay to see this as the comments here show
Just cause i’m commenting on this definitely doesn’t mean i’ll pay for it lol. I’ll check it out later… online, or reruns or even highlights. I need other friends to be interested in the fights for pitchins, and I doubt this fight will qualify. But yes interesting fight.
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by LowkickGreed on Apr 18, 2011 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions
No I watched it.
But how many times a year are we getting quality boxing cards with the best fighting the best?
Not as often as MMA.
THAT is why the sport is dieing.
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Sport A) is not dying. and B) we get best fighting the best pretty regularly.
Heavyweight has upcoming: #1 vs. #3, #2 vs. #4
Light Heavyweight has upcoming #1 vs. #2, #3 vs. #8
Supper Middle has #1 vs. #8, #4 vs. #5
MW has #2 vs. #10 and a few other things in the works
Jr. Middle has #4 vs. #5 and #6 vs. #8
Welter has #1 vs. #3
And that’s just a few weight classes in the very near future and doesn’t count stuff like the great bantamweight tourney going on right now..etc.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 18, 2011 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I just realized I know nothing about the world of boxing and i could care less.
by terzergoss on Apr 18, 2011 6:49 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I’ll bring you up to speed
There are a billion alphabet titles. Pick any three letters from the alphabet and you’ve probably got some prestigious super-ultra-lightweight title.
Boxing is fueled entirely by negativity and any boxer will be seen in a super negative light unless he’s top 5 p4p
Dain Bramage. Drain bamage. Braim Danage.
by Pyrgz Krum on Apr 18, 2011 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
prestigious super-ultra-lightweight title.
There are maybe 3 titles in the world that are considered anything near “prestigious”
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 18, 2011 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The Ring belt is most prestigious, however...
You need the WBA, WBC & IBF to be considered “undisputed”. Even if the WBC is infact the most crooked, it’s also the most popular. WBA is the oldest, but the most useless – out of 17 weight classes, you have 27+ champions including Interim champions in the same division. It’s ridiculous.
The IBF is just doo-doo.
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by Ryan Tical on Apr 18, 2011 8:09 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Multiple belts at the same weight made baby Jesus cry.
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by Derek Suboticki on Apr 18, 2011 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I just pay attention to lineal. Sergio Martinez has Marvin Hagler’s MW belt. I don’t care what the letter trinkets he may or may not also have.
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The lineal test is fun,
and does add some credibility to a champion’s status, but isn’t really indicative of supremacy. It’s all about the quantity and quality of wins and losses you have.
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by ElliotMatheny on Apr 19, 2011 8:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Jeff Lacy is shot
he’s last fight he lost a udec to a journeyman with a record of 23-19
by Mohammedini Hussein on Apr 18, 2011 6:51 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
This is good for Boxing. This is good for MMA, this is good For NICK DIAZ.
by Roaringblood on Apr 18, 2011 7:15 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Feel free to explain how it’s good for mma and boxing
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 18, 2011 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Leave him along
the pic made me laugh
Conducting an experiment on knocking people out in particular ways would be unethical.
Brings crossover fans to both.
The media would cover the crap out of it.
by Roaringblood on Apr 18, 2011 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Doubt it would bring
any more new eyes than the Toney fight did
Conducting an experiment on knocking people out in particular ways would be unethical.
yeah but
you hatin’ and haters gonna hate so…
by Roaringblood on Apr 18, 2011 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Not exactly sure how this was hatin'
But from what I understand – Lacy is a non-relevant boxer who would be fighting Diaz who is also irrelevant in boxing. Its a bit of an interest piece to fans in that it is a cross-over fight. But I don’t see how it would attract droves of mma fans to watch it and I don’t see it getting a significant amount of boxing fans excited either.
Conducting an experiment on knocking people out in particular ways would be unethical.
I really don’t think the media would cover it very heavily. I mean, boxing media would talk about it a little, MMA media would talk about it a little. But it would be far from a huge fight.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 18, 2011 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions
dood
if diaz started kicking butt consistently in boxing it would be huge when he came back to the ufc. HUGE.
by Roaringblood on Apr 18, 2011 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions
If he’s beating Jeff Lacy and…let’s say…Fernando Vargas…his return to the UFC would not exactly be “huge” compared to him coming in right now on a real hot streak in MMA against legitimate fighters.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 18, 2011 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Personally
I would be much more impressed with Diaz if he beat Woodley, and proved that he could handle a good wrestler/ top control stylist.
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by ElliotMatheny on Apr 19, 2011 8:29 AM EDT up reply actions
“Nick has accomplished a great deal in mixed martial arts "
yeah beating gomi and daley is a really BIG deal.
Beating Gomi at that point in his career was more than a big deal. it was a fucking HUGE deal
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 18, 2011 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
i would like to know how many people here have boxed at any competitive level (amateurs or pro)
and think diaz has a shot against any of these guys (lacy, vargas, mayorga)
Can we consider what Mayorga does Boxing?
Its like saying what Tank Abott does is MMA
Um…no?
Ricardo Mayorga may be a brawler at heart but he’s been very good in his career and has won fights over legit fighters like Vernon Forrest by outboxing him…
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 18, 2011 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Of those guys I’d consider him to have the best shot against Vargas given Vargas is fat and will have been out of the ring for about 4 years
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 18, 2011 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Vargas was never (when he was legit) anywhere near Diaz’s weight division and is incredibly easy to hit. I don’t think Nick will be able to hurt Lacy, but he may be able to hurt Vargas. I’d say Vargas.
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even though this article states that his career is in a downhill
he’ll still no doubt pose a serious threat to nick diaz. just want to watch a boxer knock a beating and sense into him that a career in boxing is not the right choice for him.
That’s kind of the problem. What’s the win here?
If Diaz wins does it MEAN anything? Really?
If Lacy wins…what does THAT mean?
It’s just a thing…a thing with no real end game
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 18, 2011 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions
You don’t see it? Countdown: UFC ###
Nick DIaz: I, you know, just going to, you know, go in there and, you know, knock his, you know, ass out
Joe Rogan: Here’s a guy that’s not only an excellent MMA striker, but an excellent boxer, this guys fought well known boxers and won!
Now, how much value that actually has… not a lot. Not many people would really be talking about it, and a Diaz win could be easily dismissed. Boxing coverage is like an iceberg!
I used to pick jeff lacy ALL THE TIME in fight night round 3. No one could take me online.
In all seriousness though, if you’ve ever seen jeff lacy fight you know he’s a major threat. “faded” or not, He’s got some vicious goddamn power and a wealth more boxing experience than diaz. I dont think he knows what he’s getting himself into.
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Lacy was so easy to beat with RJJ!
Right cross right cross right cross right cross. Everyone at LHW or whatever it was always went with Lacy and just tried to throw hooks and haymaker after haymaker.
(I got top 10 on PS3…..it was my freshman year, I skipped a lot of class)
Not afraid to nitpick
I'll try to sum this up eloquently for anyone unfamiliar
Jeff Lacy stinks now and it’s been six years since he looked good in a single fight.
…
OK, I’ll say more.
Part of it is age, part is injuries that have robbed him of his power (he only looks powerful now) and part of it is that he was really never as good as he was supposed to be. There was once a time people said he was Mayweather mixed with Tyson — this is laughable in retrospect, but people really believed in it. Lacy was the overwhelming media favorite against Calzaghe, a fight where he was truly, truly exposed. That word is grossly overused in fighting sports, but it’s true in this instance.
That said he’d have to be the favorite against Diaz, because Diaz is not a professional boxer and Jeff Lacy is. “Minor” things that you might take for granted watching televised boxing tend to not show up. Head movement, cutting off the ring, setting up punches properly. Even as shot as Lacy is, he’s a world ahead of Diaz in these respects.
Ceiling for Diaz payday against Lacy is probably like $200K. Lacy hasn’t fought on non-independent PPV U.S. TV since 2008 when he lost bad to Jermain Taylor in the last HBO fight for both of them.
It is what it is, basically. And all things being square, if you take away the bullshit hype that would accompany this like it’s MMA SUPERSTAR NICK DIAZ FACING BOXING WORLD CHAMPION JEFF “LEFT HOOK” LACY!!!, it’s a very, very reasonable fight for Diaz if he’s looking to fast-track into an actual money fight.
Bad Left Hook
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by Scott Christ on Apr 18, 2011 7:46 PM EDT reply actions 7 recs
yea, he’s got no powerful, he just looks powerful. Sad but true. It’s sad to see now. He hasn’t really even tried to throw the trademark left hook in a long-time, it just isn’t there anymore.
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That summed it up quite well haha. Thanks! I used to love boxing but really only have one friend now who watches it religiously. I have since retreated to MMA only and will only watch a couple boxing PPV’s, and that’s when this friend hypes them up and brings us all over to get drunk and make bets.
All this talk has made me want to go and update myself a bit. I’ll ask this friend what he thinks of Jeff Lacy and post the response here. Boxing still has some attraction to me, and I do believe there’s a world where MMA and Boxing can exist.
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by LowkickGreed on Apr 18, 2011 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Why, oh, Why
is Diaz doing this? He will get knocked out and than what? At least now there is some leverage to fight another SF fight make money I don’t think the difference is that much and then move to the UFC why do this?
I don't think he'll get KO'd.
He’s taken massive power punches from dudes with 4 oz gloves and never been KO’d.
Diaz haters like to point to his lone TKO loss the Jeremy Jackson but they fail to remember that was Nick’s 3rd fight that night (old school tournament), AND he was only 19 years old still learning the game.
Nick may not win (who knows) but I think he can hang.
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by RolloTomasi on Apr 18, 2011 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t know…I have spared with regional level boxers and with kick boxers years ago, and maybe I just had the wrong guys, but the boxers hit way harder than the kickboxers did.
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by The American Ronin on Apr 18, 2011 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Punch harder you mean?
Nothing hurts like a solid MT leg kick
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by RolloTomasi on Apr 18, 2011 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Just talking punches.
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by The American Ronin on Apr 18, 2011 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions
But did you spar with 4 oz gloves on?
If you did……please don’t do it anymore. I like you.
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by RolloTomasi on Apr 18, 2011 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh hell no…and I’m too old for that shit now…
/Danny Glover-esque
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by The American Ronin on Apr 18, 2011 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions
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by RolloTomasi on Apr 18, 2011 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions
You're right,
These guys all they train is their hands, head and leg movement. They punch hard from different angles. Diaz is going down even with 16oz gloves.
Why would Andre Ward waste his time sparing with Diaz if Diaz was a scrub?
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by RolloTomasi on Apr 19, 2011 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Well…I dont think he’s a “scrub” but guys spar with basically anyone in the gym from time to time. And sparring doesn’t mean “going 100%.” He may use Diaz when he wants to deal with someone rangy and they may even tell Nick “don’t throw anything but jabs” and have Ward work on slipping to close distance…etc.
There’s way too much “being impressed” by the fact that he is sparring with Ward going on.
Like I keep pointing out, one of those horrible Bellator heavyweights from 2 weeks back used to spar with Klitschko…
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 19, 2011 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
"You can't search me without probable cause Or that proper ammunition they call reasonable suspicion Listen while I bring friction to your whole jurisdiction" - Fugees
10 oz gloves. But even with those, I’m not sure he’s going down if the fight happens.
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thanks for the reminder
of why I need to check in over at BLH more often.
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by Dave Strummer on Apr 18, 2011 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe it is just me, and my striking expertese is far less than many here, but Diaz seems like he would look like he was in slow motion compared to a legitimately good boxer.
Maybe some sort of one-off mixed-rules fight, maybe even in a cage?
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by The American Ronin on Apr 18, 2011 11:34 PM EDT reply actions
Diaz has deceptively good hand speed, but his style doesn’t do a lot to show it off. He tends to use a continuous barrage of low speed arm punches to get his opponents to cover up, then zips in the hard, fast shots when he spots an opening. You’ll see a lot of that in the Daley fight. He also lands a few jabs and straight lefts out of nowhere in that fight; those really show kind of speed he’s capable of.
Having said that, most boxers, even a shot Lacy, would have a hand speed advantage against Diaz.
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