Jake Shields Predicts UFC 129 Finish Against Georges St. Pierre
by Nick Thomas on Apr 16, 2011 10:38 AM EDT
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Former EliteXC and Strikeforce champ Jake Shields is making his move to claim the biggest title in MMA: Georges St. Pierre's UFC belt. The welterweight will face GSP on April 30th at UFC 129 in Toronto. The pundits, fans and oddsmakers are picking the champ, but Shields has a vision in which he finishes GSP to take the title:
"If (the fight) goes how I'd want it to go, I'd go out there and tap (Georges St. Pierre) out in a minute. But realistic it's probably going to be a war; he's going to be well prepared for everything. I see it going at least a few rounds all back and forth but I see myself finishing him. Who knows, it could be early but I'm going to be attacking, attacking, looking to put him away. (The biggest challenge) is probably his wrestling. He's a strong wrestler in his takedowns and his defense."-- Check out three recent Jake Shields interviews after the jump.
"He's hard to game plan against. He's got so many variables; you don't know how he's going to fight. So I have to bring in the same mix of tricks. Be switching things up, attacking him in different ways and I'm going to be ready for whatever he has to bring at me."
MMA Die Hards interview
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KNOXX interview
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Shields has to finish.
He won’t win a decision.
"Unless you can’t think of something intelligent to say, don’t reply and make the world as dumb as you are appearing to be." - mabel4life
by lowellthehammer on Apr 16, 2011 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
And the problem is,
Shields doesn’t have a great track record of finishing elite competition. He just doesn’t have a finishing mount, unless you have the grappling skills of a Paul Daley.
Even if Shields gets on top, it’s not like he has an unstoppable armbar. GSP won’t dive headfirst into a guillotine like Lawler or Goat Thompson, he won’t give up his back and let Jake sink a choke, and he won’t get stopped by those little girl punches Jake hit Hendo with. And ultimately, he won’t get taken down often enough to give Jake the ample time he needs to set up his submissions.
GSP is very disciplined, and will pick away at Shields with crisp precision striking all day long. He will stuff any shots Jake takes from the outside, and will thwart any of Shields’ nifty deep half guard sweeps that he likes to finish his takedowns with.
And by will, I obviously mean that it’s the most likely outcome.
http://www.headkicklegend.com/
"I swear it upon Zeus an outstanding runner cannot be the equal of an average wrestler."
-Socrates
by ElliotMatheny on Apr 16, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
If he can get his takedowns going, he’s got the top control and passing game to win rounds, even if he fails to secure submissions or do damage with ground strikes. On the other side of the equation, GSP has a fantastic ability to return to his feet.
Do you really
see Shields winning that many wrestling exchanges, though? I see him potentially getting a few takedowns, but nowhere near as many as I think GSP will stuff. And of those takedowns that Jake does get, I don’t see him getting much of anything going.
http://www.headkicklegend.com/
"I swear it upon Zeus an outstanding runner cannot be the equal of an average wrestler."
-Socrates
by ElliotMatheny on Apr 16, 2011 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Jake has some pretty nifty tricks for dragging the fight to the mat, mostly set up by getting in close and clinching up with his opponents. He’s like glue. Flipside to that of course is GSP dictates distance very well and smashes faces deftly.
If he does get the takedown, it’s really just a question of how long he can keep GSP down and whether he’ll be able to pass once or twice. Honestly I wouldn’t expect many submission attempts. If the situation is Jake Shields focusing 100% on controlling GSP, I think he’s got the skills to keep GSP down. Racking up points, racking up them crowd boos.
Shields is like glue,
you’re absolutely right. He always forces the action to a point where he can scramble and bank on his positional awareness to win the day. That works against guys with limited mat chops like Hendo, Lawler, and The Goat, but GSP is a deft scrambler himself.
http://www.headkicklegend.com/
"I swear it upon Zeus an outstanding runner cannot be the equal of an average wrestler."
-Socrates
by ElliotMatheny on Apr 16, 2011 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Small chance. Small chance in the octagon.
Learn JiuJitsu, it's fun.
by RolloTomasi on Apr 16, 2011 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Thats what they always say about Jake
Am I the only one who wont be surprised when he wins?
Strikeforce in Dallas!!
Mayweather = embarrassment
"cmon now, deep down you have to know it’s not fun to watch"(wrestling in mma)
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Not
Don't let my support confuse you, I am in fact a fan of the Giants.
by tito (eight and oh) on Apr 16, 2011 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
U beat me to it
Good post bro
Strikeforce in Dallas!!
Mayweather = embarrassment
"cmon now, deep down you have to know it’s not fun to watch"(wrestling in mma)
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by DL2kold on Apr 16, 2011 1:54 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
deja vu
gsp, i love ya brother, youre good for the sport and its growth to mainstream. you are helping us get over the neanderthal hurdle and we will forever be in your debt for it.
with that being said.
you couldnt finish a one eyed overmatched one trick pony.
SCOTCH
Jonny Bench called.
by Sterling Archer on Apr 16, 2011 10:51 AM EDT reply actions
yikes
sheilds predicts finish….
fail.
scotch.
Jonny Bench called.
by Sterling Archer on Apr 16, 2011 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
that was prior
to his fight to win style, he used to go for it, he used to take chances and really fight to finish. those days are long gone.
Jonny Bench called.
by Sterling Archer on Apr 16, 2011 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions
fight safe
not fight to win, obviously everyone fights to win…. but he plays it safe now, very safe.
damn im drunk.
all ive had to eat today is like 4 gummi bears and scotch
Jonny Bench called.
by Sterling Archer on Apr 16, 2011 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions
You need more. Of both. Gummi bears for everyone…
"Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid." -John Wayne
Death before dishonor, drinks before lunch.
by The American Ronin on Apr 16, 2011 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
all ive had to eat today is like 4 gummi bears and scotch
In the casino, were you?
Obscure Archer references; go!
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by Drunken cutman on Apr 17, 2011 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
lol @ Trigg/Sherk. Might as well bring up Hieron while you're at it.
Rush is dead. Long live Georges “UD” St-Pierre.
(Not that there’s anything wrong with that, but it’s just unbelievable that people are still trying to act like Georges doesn’t drag fights out for 25 minutes at a time when it’s clear that he does more often than not)
"Unless you can’t think of something intelligent to say, don’t reply and make the world as dumb as you are appearing to be." - mabel4life
by lowellthehammer on Apr 16, 2011 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
I would say there is one fight that you could really say he fought safe, which is Alves. He nearly ripped off Hardy’s arm (people hate to give credit on that one, because that would mean admitting Hardy is tough as a 3 dollar steak), gave Fitch literally the biggest beating in the history of MMA, and crushed Kos’s face to the degree that he still hasnt even begun training. Other then that, clearly he sucks.
by Hutchy on Apr 16, 2011 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Notice how I never said he sucks.
Your words not mine. Like I said, Georges is an excellent technician in the cage and a credit to MMA. He is not a finisher. That’s OK. What’s not OK is pretending like he is when there’s no recent evidence to support that.
"Unless you can’t think of something intelligent to say, don’t reply and make the world as dumb as you are appearing to be." - mabel4life
by lowellthehammer on Apr 16, 2011 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
motherfucking this
the guy is a genius at what he does, and that is stay cool, calm, collected. not get into exchanges that are wild, and calculate each move methodically. he hasnt finished anyone in 3 years, and there is a reason for that. its not his brand of vodka. hes not a closer, doesnt mean he cant close, just means when it comes to the elite of a division.
no one is saying he sucks, were just saying hes not a finisher by nature. lets put it this way, you put any other elite in the ring with a guy that has one eyes swollen shut and no depth perception for 4 god damn rounds and you think it would go to a decision? of course not. george fights safe, more power to him, his style will bring him a long legacy of many victorys in a row. we all love the guy, its hard not too… hes just not a closer. period.
Jonny Bench called.
by Sterling Archer on Apr 16, 2011 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
lets put it this way, you put any other elite in the ring with a guy that has one eyes swollen shut and no depth perception for 4 god damn rounds and you think it would go to a decision? of course not.
Sorry, had to be done. Outside of that your point still stands though.
"Unless you can’t think of something intelligent to say, don’t reply and make the world as dumb as you are appearing to be." - mabel4life
by lowellthehammer on Apr 16, 2011 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
well played
however, we both know there is more to that story. that was suppose to be vitor in that ring, not maia. maia had no business being in there, and anderson clowned him for it and made a fool of maia, himself and the sport. sad day.
Jonny Bench called.
by Sterling Archer on Apr 16, 2011 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m probably sounding more harsh then I mean to, heres my honest opinion: first there are the born finishers, guys like Bones, BJ and Chuck, with the ability to hurt their opponent and the attitude to go after a hurt fighter. Then there are guys who simply cant finish, they lack the ability. Jon Fitch and Frankie Edgar fit into this mold, they may get the odd fluky sub or flash KO, but by and large they simply dont have the offensive ability to finish, even if they opened it up wide open and went for it. Then there are guys who CAN finish and choose not to. This is Rashad Evans to a T, with dynamite in his hands but no willingness to pursue the finish. Then there is the other set of guys, the “shrug” guys. These are guys who are dishing out massive punishment, going for it…..and for whatever reason (shrug) it just doesnt happen. 49 out of 50 guys would have tapped to that kimura. It just so happened Hardy didnt (if he had, all of this would have been a moot point). 49 out of 50 guys would have been KOed by the beating that Fitch took. Fitch is just a zombie. 49 out of 50 guys would have quit on their stool from the beating that Kos took, Kos is just too proud and dumb to give up. Sometimes, shit just happens and there really isnt an explanation. I have no idea how GSP hasnt finished these guys. He’s technically incredible and pretty much untouchable in every single aspect of MMA, and is putting these guys in terrible positions. IT just hasnt happened.
Sounds like irrational fanboy logic.
Similar to every time BJ loses and his set of fans remind everyone that he must not have taken it seriously, because if BJ took it seriously he would have won. Georges must not have finished those fights because of a weird set of coincidences and not because he doesn’t have a ton of power in his strikes and his submission game isn’t up to speed with the rest of his abilities.
"Unless you can’t think of something intelligent to say, don’t reply and make the world as dumb as you are appearing to be." - mabel4life
by lowellthehammer on Apr 16, 2011 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Fanboy logic?
So you’re saying that most fighters wouldn’t tap to the subs he had on Hardy, wouldn’t be out cold after what Jon Fitch suffered, or given up after a rather extreme makover that GSP. Gave Koscheck? His point seems more than logical to me, so I fail to see your point.
Let the fighters fight, let the referees ref, but dear God, don't let the judges judge.
by halitosis on Apr 16, 2011 1:53 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
i like what youre getting at
my only contribution would be gsp’s lack of putting them in a position where the ref has to stop the fight. the guys your calling born finishers have their share of one shot ko’s, but they built their entire career and aura off of hurting someone and jumping all over them forcing the ref to step in. gsp just doesnt have that instinct… like you said, doesnt mean it hasnt happened here and there, but they are outliers, exceptions to the rule.
Jonny Bench called.
by Sterling Archer on Apr 16, 2011 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions
to be fair aboit KOS the Doc should have stopped that fight. I an the dude was pushing the ice away from his eye because it hurt.
I’d rather just climb this fridge
i thought they were trying to put a bag of ice on it when he was pushing them away? same thing though dude was in too much pain to let them work on getting the swelling down
I’d rather just climb this fridge
Right
That was a complete failure of his responsibility to do what is best to protect the fighters.
"Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid." -John Wayne
Death before dishonor, drinks before lunch.
by The American Ronin on Apr 16, 2011 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions
You know what though,
I don’t buy that line. I think GSP cruises over competition that don’t make him feel urgent. Notice how emphatically he finished Hughes, Serra, & Penn in their rematches (/ rubber match with Hughes). Hughes & Serra both finished Georges in their first fight, and Penn gave him hell in their first fight; GSP crushed them with impunity in the rematches.
Against Fitch, Alves, Hardy, and Koscheck, GSP definitely won handily, but he showed no urgency to finish. Yes, he nearly broke Hardy’s arm on 2 separate occasions, and yes- he beat the hell out of Fitch & Koscheck standing. But he didn’t go out of his way to finish them, instead opting to just dominate.
THAT’S the difference, IMO. I think he will try to finish Shields, and I think he would try to finish Anderson if they ever fight.
http://www.headkicklegend.com/
"I swear it upon Zeus an outstanding runner cannot be the equal of an average wrestler."
-Socrates
by ElliotMatheny on Apr 16, 2011 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Against Fitch, Alves, Hardy, and Koscheck, GSP definitely won handily, but he showed no urgency to finish.
Not true. Against Fitch he threw everything at him and couldn’t break him. Against Hardy he was trying like hell to get chokes, armbars, etc. He’s not a finisher. He can finish guys, but for the most part he’s better served outscoring them over 5 rounds because of his cardio advantage. I think the Kos fight was the realization of that.
"Unless you can’t think of something intelligent to say, don’t reply and make the world as dumb as you are appearing to be." - mabel4life
by lowellthehammer on Apr 16, 2011 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't buy that.
Against Fitch, I think GSP was just fighting smart, and not blowing his energy in search of a finish. Georges definitely hit Jon with some hard shots, and swarmed him when he did rock him, but if you watch that fight in it’s entirety, St. Pierre was entirely happy to just cruise in the latter rounds. He didn’t go ballistic trying to beat him up like he did against Hughes, Serra, & Penn.
Against Hardy, he just wasn’t able to finish the submissions, making minor errors that prevented him from getting the tap/ snap. I will concede that his submission finishes aren’t razor tight at this point.
I don’t think GSP is a finishing machine, but I also think that he has been coasting a bit in his recent fights. He had Kos’ right eye completely swollen, but still didn’t throw any committed power shots, instead opting for his jab/ lead low kick.
http://www.headkicklegend.com/
"I swear it upon Zeus an outstanding runner cannot be the equal of an average wrestler."
-Socrates
by ElliotMatheny on Apr 16, 2011 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
This does not make sense
How do you go from someone who was finishing fights, “Rush” to someone who all of a sudden can’t? It’s not like he lost his power or ability to finish. The most plausible explanation is the Serra fight. He lost a fight that he was absolutely supposed to crush, because of let’s face it a lucky shot behind the ear. Following that he has taken a a safety first approach. He knows he is otherwise superior to his opponents in speed, wrestling and at least equivalent in striking, so he only hits them/hurts them in as far as he does not place himself in risk of being caught with a lucky shot.
As far as Hardy fight, yes I agree he does not have the Aoki in him, and would not break someone’s arm.
As far as Fitch, how long has it been since ANYBODY came close to finishing him?! Gouveia?
GPS doesn't like hurting guys
He’s not mean. If he was willing to go out and smash in heads and tear off arms, he’d have more finishes, but to get him to the point where he does that, I think, yeah, like you said, he’s got to have a reason.
I don’t think he has that reason against Shields. I think it’ll mostly be a repeat of the fight with Kos — Shields will have a lot of trouble getting GSP down, won’t be able to keep him down, and will eat a LOT of jabs to the skull.
by Christopher Bradley on Apr 16, 2011 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't know about that.
GSP wouldn’t be a pro fighter if he weren’t alright with inflicting harm on opponents. And he sure as hell looked like he was trying to rip arms off and smash heads in his rematches with Hughes, BJ, and Serra.
http://www.headkicklegend.com/
"I swear it upon Zeus an outstanding runner cannot be the equal of an average wrestler."
-Socrates
by ElliotMatheny on Apr 17, 2011 3:01 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree
He doesn’t seem to have the sort of killer instinct to really hurt guys, unless they have slighted him (like BJ in the second fight where he was just punishing his body when his head was wide open). I think he went into the Kos fight looking to punish him, but once he saw how badly injured he was I think he almost felt bad for him and turned it down a notch.
To me that is all on the cage side doctor – there is no way he should have let that fight continue once Kos couldn’t see any more out of that eye…completely negligent of his duty there imo.
"Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid." -John Wayne
Death before dishonor, drinks before lunch.
by The American Ronin on Apr 17, 2011 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
He’s not mean.
If you don’t think that GSP is mean, then rewatch the Serra rematch.
"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey
www.badlefthook.com
by Drunken cutman on Apr 17, 2011 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I actually have no problem with the performance against Alves because at least one could make the argument that Alves was still dangerous. GSP also did enough damage to Jon Fitch that complaints are unwarranted.
I’d say his last two fights have displayed a far more cautious approach (considering his opponents), though I still love to watch Georges fight. He should have risked position over and over to submit or TKO Hardy; even if Hardy got up he’d get taken right back down. Koscheck couldn’t see out of one eye and GSP didn’t go for the kill because of the .1% chance Kos would drop him.
Ultimately I can respect this approach because so many fighters have to nurse chronic injuries, and this is a good way to stay healthy. I don’t think it should play much into people’s estimation of St. Pierre’s talent because he still has the tools to finish.
He also roughed Alves up.
IIRC, the first couple rounds were elbow city.
http://www.headkicklegend.com/
"I swear it upon Zeus an outstanding runner cannot be the equal of an average wrestler."
-Socrates
by ElliotMatheny on Apr 16, 2011 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
i love that...
…this whole branch of this thread is completely due to my being to drunk to read correctly
Jonny Bench called.
by Sterling Archer on Apr 16, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Is it really?
Helluva thing. Your drunkenness serves as inspiration for us all.
http://www.headkicklegend.com/
"I swear it upon Zeus an outstanding runner cannot be the equal of an average wrestler."
-Socrates
by ElliotMatheny on Apr 16, 2011 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, i thought this post was about gsp predicting a finish of sheilds, not vice versa…. so i started a ‘here we go again’ discussion, only to realize im a boob.
haha. boobs.
Jonny Bench called.
by Sterling Archer on Apr 16, 2011 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I actually think Jake really believes what he is saying, and really is going to go for it. Of course, its an absurd statement, because Unfortunately for Jake, he is one of the most offensively limited fighters out there. How exactly does he propose to do this, exactly? Hes never subbed anyone of note off his back, he has never subbed anyone truly top-tier from any position, and his standup is literally the worst of any supposedly “Top Tier” fighter in MMA. He makes Maia look like prime Chuck Liddell. And not to pile on, but he is facing one of the most technically sound stand up fighters in all of MMA who has never even been remotely close to a sub loss outside of mentally flaking out against Matt Hughes once. And for the cherry on top, Shields just put on what was (for my money) the least impressive performance I have ever witnessed by a winning fighter. Other than that, its a great fookin plan.
Never been remotely close to a sub loss
except that one time where he fought a good wrestler with a great top game, which coincidentally is a style that Jake shares. And before you say it no, Koscheck and Fitch’s top games are not better than Shields/Hughes.
"Unless you can’t think of something intelligent to say, don’t reply and make the world as dumb as you are appearing to be." - mabel4life
by lowellthehammer on Apr 16, 2011 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
You would call him a great wrestler? with a great top game? Based on what? The number of top tier guys he has subbed? Which is……zero. You arent counting laying on Mayhem and Hendo for 4 rounds each throwing Sherk Lite pitty pat punches as a “great top game”, are you?
Good wrestler, not great.
He’s passable, although I will readily admit Jake’s wrestling isn’t at Hughes level. His top game is nasty, I’m not even sure how that’s up for debate. GSP’s top game is great too, and how many guys has he finished from top control? Sherk, Serra…
"Unless you can’t think of something intelligent to say, don’t reply and make the world as dumb as you are appearing to be." - mabel4life
by lowellthehammer on Apr 16, 2011 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
I’d love to debate it, here goes: he’s never subbed a top tier guy from any position, and he has never done literally an iota of damage from the top on any opponent he has ever faced, and thats being completely literal. The floor is yours.
You win.
Jake has a terrible top game, even though that’s been his path to victory for 12 years over a successful BJJ and MMA career. What was I thinking?
"Unless you can’t think of something intelligent to say, don’t reply and make the world as dumb as you are appearing to be." - mabel4life
by lowellthehammer on Apr 16, 2011 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
He may not have subbed any top tier guys, but he certainly has won fights pretty much only using his top control and guard passing skills. Henderson gave him hell in the first round and Jake came back and put on a 20 minute demonstration of top control and guard passing. His fight with Mayhem was quite similar in that respect.
So the question is, can Jake Shields win a round against GSP? Can he win 2? Can he win 3?
Jake Shields has only been finished once, (T)KO’d almost 10 years ago.
Now, are Henderson and Mayhem anywhere near as technically proficient as GSP on the feet? No, not really. This could very well just end up being GSP vs. Fitch 2: Jake Shields Boogaloo for all we know.
by Pyrgz Krum on Apr 16, 2011 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Dan isn't exactly a BJJ stud.
He stuffed the initial takedowns, but Shields finished with textbook deep half sweeps.
http://www.headkicklegend.com/
"I swear it upon Zeus an outstanding runner cannot be the equal of an average wrestler."
-Socrates
by ElliotMatheny on Apr 16, 2011 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Shields normally struggles to get his TD’s , but he’s got plenty of tricks to finish up on top (note the Hendo fight, his grapplin match with Sanchez….)
by Carlos Estrada-Ibars Martínez on Apr 16, 2011 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
He does indeed.
I think GSP has the chops to thwart those tricks though.
http://www.headkicklegend.com/
"I swear it upon Zeus an outstanding runner cannot be the equal of an average wrestler."
-Socrates
by ElliotMatheny on Apr 16, 2011 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions
He well also
Have studied the majority of them extensively prior to the fight.
"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey
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by Drunken cutman on Apr 17, 2011 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn't.
Not his mat skills, at least. Nearly all of his most definitive career losses have been on the ground.
http://www.headkicklegend.com/
"I swear it upon Zeus an outstanding runner cannot be the equal of an average wrestler."
-Socrates
by ElliotMatheny on Apr 16, 2011 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions
If he showed up at a gym and tested out for Black belt I'd bet he'd get it.
Learn JiuJitsu, it's fun.
Did you see how long it took for Big Nog to submit him? He got out of like 20 submission attempts. I think he’s black belt level.
I don't think
having strong submission defense is enough to warrant a black belt in BJJ, just my opinion. He doesn’t have great submissions, doesn’t pass guard particularly well, and he’s not very good from his back. Not what I would consider to be a black belt.
He’s a good grappler overall, and his grappling works very well in the context of his entire game. But if the way Shields was able to finish those deep half sweeps at will, and pass guard/ hold mount indefinitely is any indication, Hendo is no black belt.
http://www.headkicklegend.com/
"I swear it upon Zeus an outstanding runner cannot be the equal of an average wrestler."
-Socrates
by ElliotMatheny on Apr 17, 2011 3:09 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Randy
has better submission skills than Hendo, and is better from his back IMO.
They are both very good overall grapplers, but the term black belt refers specifically to having worked your way through the ranks of a grappling art in a gi.
http://www.headkicklegend.com/
"I swear it upon Zeus an outstanding runner cannot be the equal of an average wrestler."
-Socrates
by ElliotMatheny on Apr 17, 2011 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
but the term black belt refers specifically to having worked your way through the ranks of a grappling art in a gi.
Unless you are Josh Barnett, who was awarded his BJJ BB without ever formally training BJJ.
"Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid." -John Wayne
Death before dishonor, drinks before lunch.
by The American Ronin on Apr 17, 2011 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
He wasn't black belt level
at the time of being submitted, no. He has steadily progressed into a very strong black belt.
http://www.headkicklegend.com/
"I swear it upon Zeus an outstanding runner cannot be the equal of an average wrestler."
-Socrates
by ElliotMatheny on Apr 17, 2011 3:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Well,
That was YEARS ago, and when Georges was still a purple belt in BJJ (if i’m not mistaken). He over committed to a kimura, and Hughes pulled the trigger on a slick far- side armbar. I don’t see GSP making that same kind of mistake against Shields, he’s much more seasoned and skilled now, in his wrestling and in his submission game.
http://www.headkicklegend.com/
"I swear it upon Zeus an outstanding runner cannot be the equal of an average wrestler."
-Socrates
by ElliotMatheny on Apr 16, 2011 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
And Hughes doesnt suck. Granted, I hate the guy, but that was Hughes in his absolute prime, and GSP handled him virtually that entire round before getting caught. Theres no shame, and if you think GSP is still that same fighter, that would be insane.
Exactly.
Think about the fact that Hughes was STILL considered relevant/ highly ranked after the win streak over Serra/ Renzo/ Almeida. GSP was doing very well against Hughes, and made a rookie mistake against a serious veteran.
If GSP can shut down powerhouse wrestlers like Koscheck and Fitch, and survive half a round (with a torn groin) underneath a monster like Thiago Alves, i’m pretty optimistic about his chances against Shields.
http://www.headkicklegend.com/
"I swear it upon Zeus an outstanding runner cannot be the equal of an average wrestler."
-Socrates
by ElliotMatheny on Apr 16, 2011 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes he is a fucking powerhouse.
He plowed through Anthony Johnson, who is enormously strong and a fine wrestler in his own right. He took down GSP and stuffed most of his takedowns.
Ignoring his grappling strength and takedown ability is the epitome of idiocy. The dude’s a beast.
http://www.headkicklegend.com/
"I swear it upon Zeus an outstanding runner cannot be the equal of an average wrestler."
-Socrates
by ElliotMatheny on Apr 16, 2011 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions
He didn't plower through shit
He got into an eye gouging match and threw in some serious acting that turned the tide of the fight more than his great grappling. Johnson wins that fight 8 out of 10 times now. That power house got his shit stuffed against the likes of P.Thiago who has lame TDD and repeatedly by Alves (someone who Fitch and GSP had no problem molesting). Fitch/GSP are power houses so spare me Koschecks wrestling credentials that shit does not make a great MMA fighter alone.Jon Fitch was a barely average college wrestler and GSP spent his college years not wrestling but collecting garbage. They are power houses.
The Johnson fight was marred with fouls,
but to say that Rumble wins that fight 8/10 times is ridiculous. I will give you the Thiago example, but the Alves fight (you do realize) was on extremely short notice. Like 2 weeks notice.
Koscheck is a powerhouse wrestler, and if you can’t admit that, with his history as a fighter and wrestler, then you are helplessly biased.
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by ElliotMatheny on Apr 17, 2011 3:13 AM EDT up reply actions
What the shit?
That power house got his shit stuffed against the likes of P.Thiago who has lame TDD and repeatedly by Alves (someone who Fitch and GSP had no problem molesting).
Koscheck is an elite or near elite MMA Wrestler. He took the Alves fight on something like 7 days notice iirc, and I don’t believe he attempted a single takedown attempt against Paulo Thiago.
He is also the only person in the last several years to both take down and keep down GSP (he did it once in both fights), although once he lost his depth perception early in the 2nd fight he had no chance.
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by The American Ronin on Apr 17, 2011 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Theres no shame, and if you think GSP is still that same fighter, that would be insane.
Agreed. I think that was GSP’s 8 fight ever, and 3rd UFC fight.
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by The American Ronin on Apr 16, 2011 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions
It's all true though.
No gratuitous hate there, he literally didn’t say one incorrect thing.
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by ElliotMatheny on Apr 16, 2011 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Indeed it is. I’m used to it, I get the same comments when I demolish Rashad. With MMA, with its cadre of 20 year old teacup fans who have never personally been criticized or told anything they dont want to hear a day in their life, when you criticize someone you are hating, no matter how deadly accurate it may be.
Shields' positional control/ guard passing is second to none,
but like you said, he has pretty weak offense from those positions. He honestly hits like a computer camp nerd, and his submissions from the top are more methodical, armbar/ rear naked choke, basic submissions. He has a very smooth guillotine, and Georges will have to make absolutely sure that he doesn’t leave his neck out there for the taking.
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by ElliotMatheny on Apr 16, 2011 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions
How’d you know I was a 20 year old teacup fan that’s never been criticized a day in my life? Amazing. I have goosebumps.
by sgiblin on Apr 16, 2011 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
It's a good Mantra to sound off.
You got to convince yourself you can do it, but like you said his last performances didn’t echo it and there is no reason that will hear it in the octagon.
Unfortunately for Jake...
His stand up is light years behind GSP’s. I’m not really sure what he means when he says he needs to bring in the same bag of tricks, he’s going to mix up his attach, etc. He only has one attack: takedown, maintain top control, and submit if the opportunity presents itself. If GSP keeps it standing, goodnight.
It's quite interesting, regarding GSP's dominance
It really seems like the only viable way to defeat GSP is to be… a better version of GSP.
Truer words have never been spoken...
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by halitosis on Apr 16, 2011 2:02 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I think Jake takes this one..
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by tito (eight and oh) on Apr 16, 2011 11:13 AM EDT reply actions
My prediction
GSP keeps this standing. I made the same prediction for Kos. Thats the one area where he can really dominate Jake.
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by ODBasyoucansee on Apr 16, 2011 11:17 AM EDT reply actions
Unless Shields rushes GSP
the same way Sonnen took down Silva. Instead waiting for an opening, he just rushed in knowing he was gonna get hit in the process. With Jake’s granite chin, I see this strategy working for him against GSP.
Just Breed!
by ScoreCardOTN on Apr 16, 2011 2:24 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
He’ll try it, but GSP’s TDD >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Anderson’s TDD
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by The American Ronin on Apr 16, 2011 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions
No one is predicting Shields by KO or TKO?
I wonder why not???
by High Knee Destroyer on Apr 16, 2011 11:27 AM EDT reply actions
I pick Shields by Pettis style kick two seconds into round 1
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by halitosis on Apr 16, 2011 2:04 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
"Jake Shields is Mr. Shields"
?!
That’s the best they could do? How about ‘The Challenger’?
Could have used another thirty seconds of thought on that one.
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by Carlos Estrada-Ibars Martínez on Apr 16, 2011 11:50 AM EDT reply actions
That first clip made me cringe
“Jake Shields is….. Mr. Shields.” ….. Is he
He said a funny
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Jake Shield's Stand-up
is lacking in a serious way. George will pick him off by making this a boxing match. In all seriousness, go back and look at Shield’s fight library and see that his striking is well below par. George will dominate by keeping this fight upright.
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by dbcb on Apr 16, 2011 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
GSP
Will finish Shields via (T)KO in the 1st round.
Believe me.
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Shields is a unique challenge for GSP. Jake has fought at both middleweight and welterweight, something GSP has never done. He’s beaten an impressive list of highly rated opponents in both weight classes (including Hendo, Okami, Condit, Daley). He’s beaten guys with knockout power and he’s beaten strong wrestlers. He comes from a legitimate training camp with Cesar Gracie, the Diaz brothers, and Gilbert Milendez. His jiu-jitsu skills and overall grappling ability are elite. He is a threat to finish GSP, certainly more than opponents like Fitch or Koscheck.
More of a chance to finish GSP than Fitch or Koscheck?
Do you. Really believe that? He has equal or less of a chance at finishing in my opinion. GSP is just too… GSP
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by halitosis on Apr 16, 2011 2:48 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Snoring...
I am sorry but I see this main event as a boring ass fight. Both fighters – once exciting guys are now careful, boring spectacles. Bring Pride rules back for this one fight so that when both of these guys go to the ground at least they can knee to the head- soccer kick or heels to the face. Other than dry humping for 25 minutes. Wanderlei may have losses but he is NEVER boring and lets it all hang out.. Even Diaz correctly states that in SF they have mroe scrappers and hes right.. For $55 thats what I want.
I see Shields getting the take downs
and leg-humping GSP against the fence the whole fight much like the Mayhem fight. I see GSP getting frustrated because his safe style and not taking any chances to get back to his feet resulting in him staying on his back the whole fight. If GSP makes one mistake, Shields will catch him in a sub and GSP will be tapping faster than that armbar against Hughes. Yeah, I’m drinking the kool-aid and it tastes good.
Just Breed!
by ScoreCardOTN on Apr 16, 2011 2:30 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
For the First Time GSP is facing a guy with a Style Safer than his
Should be interesting. Or really really boring.
Jake meant to say
“In my upcoming fight with GSP he is going to stuff my takedowns over and over then use my face as a punching bag to practice his jab on.”
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GSP beat Jon Fitch
Who employs the same wet blanket/net gun approach to mixed martial arts that Jake Shields is so fond of.
Only I think that Fitch has better stand up then Shields. GSP still tooled Fitch a few times. Shields will be a world of hurt the moment he gets in jab range.
Past that, a few weak takedown attempts and the latest in lay and pray will be all Shields will get on GSP.
Fitch tried to stand with GSP for a bit
which was really dumb. He got lit up early and neutralized. That set the tone. I highly doubt Shields is going to follow that strategy. He will not stand in the pocket with GSP at all. I dont think Shields wins but I dont think it’s going down like the Fitch fight.
Just sayin
I usually go by their last fights…. Jake Shields was visibly tired in the last fight. I am sure the weight cut was a big factor. He is delusional if he thinks he can go even 3 rounds with The pace GSP keeps. GSP has one very sneaky hip escape. I doubt if Jake did mount he could lay any serious blows before GSP gets out of it! GSP gets better every time he fights, even during the fight he doesn’t let you do the same trick 2x, hence why Josh K. could only get him down 1x in both fights. Georges constantly works all 5 rounds. I just don’t think Jake will be able to keep up…and I really don’t think the “super fight” will even happen after this fight…. GSP doesn’t want to change his weight it will screw up his whole body and ruin his efficiency! Jake seems to think he did fine in his last fight and can go up and down weight classes just fine, but that last fight proved that all wrong! Even Joe Rcalled him a walking Zombie… and it was only 3 rounds! A few months still wont put you back in shape to be a contender for GSP!
funny that nobody mentions the $
With every successfull title defense GSP stands to make more and more $, that is why he has fought in an increasingly safe manner. It would be crazy to risk millions of dollars to fight more recklessly and get more finishes to please a few fanboys.
And this fight has decision written all over it. As u guys pointed out, Shields hasn’t finished anyone near the level of GSP and GSP hasn’t finished anyone in 3 years. And to the dude that said that GSP will (T)KO him in the first round: Shields ate the legendary Hendo right hand and came back to win. GSP does not have a strike in his arsenal that even approaches the power of a Hendo overhand right. If he somehow stops Jake it will be over a few rounds of grinding to a ref stoppage. No way he puts him out in the first
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by RearNakedToke on Apr 17, 2011 3:18 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
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