Whining and Boxing: What Is Nick Diaz Thinking?
by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 15, 2011 8:17 PM EDT
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It hasn't even been a week since Nick Diaz stopped Paul Daley in a classic one round affair at Strikeforce: Diaz vs. Daley and Nick is already expressing his displeasure with...well, with everything. Diaz's ability to deliver an exciting bout is only surpassed by his ability to turn off a portion of the MMA fanbase with his petulant whining. We turn to his recent appearance on Inside MMA for an example:
I don’t see much of a future in this sport for me. I’m signed into a contract I don’t know anything about. All I know is my life is a living Hell full of training… (I) cater to everybody else.
I'm sorry, but if you want more information about your contact, be involved in the negotiation process and make it clear what you want. Now, Diaz has returned to his talk of entering the boxing world. Chasing the big payday that is highly unlikely to ever come.
First it was Ricardo Mayorga or Fernando Vargas. Mayorga got a nice payday recently to take a beating from Miguel Cotto and seems content to phone in the rest of his career and make some money. As for Vargas, it's been three and a half years since he stepped into a boxing ring. I've gone in depth in the past on just how little money there is to be made in those bouts. But just to make it clear, the payday Nick got to fight Daley is likely better than anything he's going to get fighting a shot boxer.
As pointed out in Nate's article yesterday, the Diaz camp appears to have shifted their focus to Jeff Lacy. For some background, Lacy was seen as a major prospect who worked his way up to a run with the IBF super middleweight championship, a belt he would lose in a lopsided decision against Joe Calzaghe. He's won four of his seven bouts since the title loss but somewhat amazingly three of those wins were by majority decision (one judge scored the bout a draw in those three fights). His career has crumbled to the point where he was used as fodder for one of Roy Jones Jr.'s recent failed comeback attempts. Worse than that though, was Lacy losing a clear decision to Dhafir Smith in his last bout. Smith entered the ring that night with a record of 23-19-7. A month later Lacy would be forced to deal with the aftermath of a tragic shootout between his brother and the police that left his brother and two officers dead.
What's the point? It's clear they're trying to cherry pick a former boxing champion for Nick to beat in some effort to build a boxing career. But why? There's probably not going to be more than $50k for Diaz in any of those fights. Is the hope that he can win one of these fights and somehow land in a big fight at 168 lbs? That's a horrribly deep division with no shortage of great fights. No one that can deliver Diaz a big payday is going to mess with him (nor would he have the slightest change in one of those fights).
And that magical "never gonna happen" fight requires Nick to get through a guy in Lacy who, while on the downside of his career, absolutely knows how to box. It's a huge risk to jump to boxing, make less money and still have a very good chance of losing the fight.
There aren't really any big fights left for Nick in Strikeforce. The most intriguing fight for Diaz is a bout with Tyron Woodley. Woodley represents a huge risk. Diaz hasn't fought a wrestler in a very long time and he'd be at risk of being taken down enough to lose a decision to a guy with no real "name value" and damage his brand. Possibly being defeated by decision by a prospect is almost as bad of a potential outcome as going to boxing and losing to a former champion.
So is Diaz running from a bout with Woodley? Is he serious about wanting to box? Is it all about some delusional idea of making Mayweather money? Or is this simply a stunt to force the UFC to bring him into the fold and provide some big money fights that don't ruin the "Diaz brand" should he lose.
There's no safe option for Diaz and his career right now outside of a move to the UFC. Boxing is a no-win situation, there's no great reward to offset the risk of a Woodley fight and staying out of the cage or ring entirely isn't going to do much for his career either. Diaz's career has likely reached a plateau and desperate moves like talking about leaving the sport may be the only play Nick has left.
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I don't see how Tyrone Woodley is gonna lay on Diaz for 5 rounds and not get subd.
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Forget about the subs, I don’t see how he is going to lay on him for five rounds.
Diaz’s takedown defense may be garbage, but the hallmark of his UFC losses was takedowns followed by crazy scrambles because those guys couldn’t hold him down. Diaz’s wrestling is definitely subpar, but he is very adept at using his BJJ to create scramble opportunities.
I don’t think Woodley has the cardio to play that game for 25 minutes. I think he could eke out the first couple of rounds with his wrestling, but by round three or four he would start getting stuffed and lit up on the feet.
It would definitely be tough for him.
And a fight I absolutely would like to see, but it seems that Diaz doesn’t want any part of it.
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by ElliotMatheny on Apr 15, 2011 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions
But not because he is scared of Woodley
But because who the hell is Tyrone Woodley? He does nothing to advance Diaz’s career. Heck, if I’m Strikeforce, why would I make that fight? It doesn’t seem to be a potential barn burner like Diaz’s previous fights and you’re stuck trying to promote a fight with someone who is unknown to most fans (and not just casuals, I’d wager less than half of BE regulars can recall a Woodley fight).
by Pantherhare on Apr 15, 2011 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
If that's the case,
then why the hell didn’t he take the Mayhem fight? Mayhem isn’t a huge middleweight. And he definitely has name value, hype skills, and an exciting style. A fight between them should be a barnburner.
As for Woodley, Strikeforce isn’t exactly a huge draw for casual fans anyways. I would say that the majority of their ratings come from hardcore MMA fans. He’s a good fighter and has beat just about all comers, and represents the hardest style matchup for Diaz. If Nick was serious about trying to be the best, he would seek out a guy with Tyron’s style, to overcome it.
All evidence points to otherwise.
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by ElliotMatheny on Apr 15, 2011 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Like Micah & Shoc said
It’s an exciting matchup against a name opponent in Mayhem, a fight that fans want to see, and a fight that doesn’t really affect his divisional standings either way. He’s complaining about not having anyone to fight, that’s bullshit. Mayhem is 7-2 (1 NC) in the last 3 years, he’s definitely no scrub.
At this point, Strikeforce is for fun fights. Miller/ Diaz is a fun fight.
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by ElliotMatheny on Apr 16, 2011 2:34 AM EDT up reply actions
And his two losses were in a title fight and to the current champion. Diaz doesn’t want Mayhem because its a losing proposition for him.
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by The American Ronin on Apr 16, 2011 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions
It's not the best matchup for him.
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by ElliotMatheny on Apr 16, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Woodley, in my eyes, has actually underperformed in fights like the Nathan Coy fight and even the Saffiedine fight. I don’t know if Woodley has that great of a gas tank, and it’s tough to smother Diaz as it is as he strikes constantly from the bottom and creates scrambles. As stated by the article, boxing is a bad move for him, and Diaz doesn’t have the defense in my opinion to do well as he just walks through punches and takes shots with his granite chin holding him up. While fighting Woodley is a risk, Diaz gets six figure paydays in Strikeforce, and Woodley is a wrestler that Diaz has the best chance against as Woodley is still largely untested.
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by chrisbboy82 on Apr 15, 2011 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
To bad
Diaz isn’t as sure of this as you are.
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by Chris Barton on Apr 15, 2011 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
How do you know?
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by RolloTomasi on Apr 15, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Because, just like with every other wrestler that’s come his way lately, Diaz has a bucket of excuses to not fight him.
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by Chris Barton on Apr 15, 2011 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Absolutely worst way to leverage negociations with the UFC
If we learned anything consistent about Dana White, it’s that he HATES people dictating terms to him.
Even by UFC standards, he’s getting paid VERY well. Makes me wonder what kind of sponsorship money he’s getting/not getting. Pretty sure there was an article on BE talking about how sponsor money make ups a huge chunk of what fighters actually make.
Talking able “needing” a shot at Andy is ridiculous, and even his fans know it. I can’t even remember if Nick fought at 185.
If he really was wanting big money and was serious about fighting at 185, a much better approach would be to “demand/ask” to coach TUF versus Bisping.
The general thought that two heels in Bisping/Sonnen would have made great TV. So why not Diaz/Bisping?
Get him known to the UFC crowd which ultimately leads to the big money.
by squaresphere on Apr 15, 2011 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Diaz-Bisping would be amazing.
I also think Diaz’s future actually depends on Jake Shields v. GSP. If GSP beats Shields, Diaz GSP is the fight to make, and it will be made for the Fall of this year.
From what Dana was saying to Sergio, I don’t that they have the ability to move top guys out of Strikeforce.
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by The American Ronin on Apr 15, 2011 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
If you owned a business
Would you sponsor Nick Diaz?
Depends on the business
Head shop, yes. Christian bookstore, no.
by Pantherhare on Apr 15, 2011 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Jermain Taylor
Win-win. Diaz wants a name fighter, Taylor needs to get his head back on straight and get his name buzzing again.
Plus, Taylor would pound the ever-loving shit out of him and send Nick back to reality.
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by BVandDietPepsi on Apr 15, 2011 10:12 AM EDT reply actions
Taylor has no business being in any ring, dude has had the lights turned off violently in 3 of his last 5.
by clydeftones on Apr 15, 2011 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions
I think alot of the Strikeforce stars are gonna be more impatient since they know integration into the UFC is finally a reality.
Im sure Souza has a point that Strikeforce has no one left for him…but would he make that complaint if the UFC hadnt bought Strikeforce yet?
by Landoman722 on Apr 15, 2011 10:15 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
they can be impatient all they want. if there are contract terms standing in the way nothing can be done about it ? Sence no one is really sure about that eather way though yet if they can move the top stars over to the UFC just yet ? and Zuffa has not said anything
Dana White said in an interview yesterday
That he won’t be taking anyone out of SF before their contracts expire
Conducting an experiment on knocking people out in particular ways would be unethical.
that says it all to me right there so far ? They wait and they need to learn to like or because if they don’t eather way there is not much they can do about it they signed that contract. All of a sudden every one is upset about SF and there competition but no one was complaining before Zuffa owned it like they are now. its a joke
I doubt Nick would find a commision to sanction a bout between him and any of the names mentioned. Cesar Gracie, supposedly his manager, must know that. I’d be really surprised if Diazes next fight isn’t in the UFC. Dana White has plenty of wrestlers at 170, but nobody who brings the attitude and excitement Nick Diaz does.
I don't think Nick is happy unless people are pissed at him
so anytime public opinion swings too strongly in his favor — such as after an impressive performance — he has to flip everybody off again to set the balance back where he needs it.
Also, there is no reason why they shouldn’t book a Daley rematch. It was a competitive fight, it had a controversial stoppage and it featured the round of the year so far this year. Diaz-Woodley is a lose-lose for SF/Zuffa in terms of outcomes, and he’s green enough that you could justify giving him another contender fight.
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That was one epic round.
And I think if it had been able to go on to the second round we would have had a “Fight of the Year” for sure.
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Nick Diaz is not honest. I think I’ve always just assumed, given the stuff he says, that he’s an incredibly straight-shooter — someone who will say what’s on his mind even if it’s to the detriment of his career. But the more I hear outbursts like this, challenging Anderson Silva, etc., the more I conclude that, actually, Diaz is simply someone with very little impulse control. At the time he says the things he says, he believes them. But should they ever come close to getting realized, he will reconsider them in a more clear-headed fashion. Thus, we shouldn’t take anything Nick Diaz says in an interview or in a presser seriously. Instead, we should treat his utterances like we treat those of a drunk Red Sox fan in a bar.
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or Chael
they have the same schtick, just sonnen is a little more blue collar. or blue blood, based on his real estate ways.
by silent.bisonte33 on Apr 15, 2011 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Woodley couldnt keep the pace needed to take diaz down and keep him down for 5 rounds. 3 rounds maybe, but not 5
by TheBiggertheyare... on Apr 15, 2011 10:27 AM EDT reply actions
If he can keep him down for three rounds and not get finished in the other two, that’s a 48-47 decision win
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 15, 2011 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions
I think he's saying Nick wears him out and finishes him off in the 4th/5th.
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by RolloTomasi on Apr 15, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
“(nor would he have the slightest change in one of those fights).” (change – chance ?)
I think that Diaz would do well in boxing, but that he would never be a real contender, but I don’t see why he can’t compete at light heavy weight in boxing (168-175). Super middle weight is a bad decision overall.
That being said, I’d watch all of his boxing matches with great interest. His “fuck you im going to kick your ass” attitude would be great for boxing in general.
It's just a world, it's just a life.
Haven’t followed boxing in years, and many here have far more expertese and insight, but Nick’s hand speed and defense seem very subpar for a boxer to me.
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by The American Ronin on Apr 15, 2011 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Mayhem Miller
It’s not too late, it would make some revenue, and his brand wouldn’t be hurt if he loses
Faber, Florian, Diaz, 'Mayhem', Mousasi, Fedor
Keep in mind, he wont go to 180 to fight Mayhem…..but WILL go to 185 to fight Anderson. Hmmmmm. So actually, what he meant all this time was, there wasnt enough money in a fight with Mayhem, I guess….? Which is obviously absurd. If he wanted to blatantly duck Mayhem, just say so and stop acting like a tough guy,
by Hutchy on Apr 15, 2011 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think people are surprised that he’s not fighting mayhem because that fight can happen and he’d make money.
Of course he’d rather fight Anderson but that’s not in the cards.
Faber, Florian, Diaz, 'Mayhem', Mousasi, Fedor
he can make the same money by defending his title
There is no added value to fighting Mayhem at another weight class.
If he's ducking mayhem it seems like a mistake
He’s gonna have plenty of ducking to do once the UFC opens up on him. Even if he gets beat down by mayhem he’ll still be the ww champion and UFC will be forced to put him in a high profile fight for atleast a couple fights.
Faber, Florian, Diaz, 'Mayhem', Mousasi, Fedor
Mayorga
as shot as people think Mayorga is, he would obliterate nick diaz in a boxing match… mayorga, please make that fight!!! Mayorga’s gone deep with Mosley and Cotto recently, whereas Nick Diaz has outboxed Frank Shamrock
and KJ Noons, and Paul Daley.
Robbie Lawler, Takanori Gomi, ect.
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by RolloTomasi on Apr 15, 2011 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions
rahson
totally agree… i don’t see how beating robbie lawler, gomi etc… makes diaz any more credible a boxer against a former champ like mayorga. Mayorga may be considered a joke in boxing, but that’s because he’s fighting elite boxers… stick a nick diaz (or any mma fighter) against him and it would be as lopsided as couture/toney
KJ Noons is a pro boxer...
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by RolloTomasi on Apr 15, 2011 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions
You're moving the goalposts a little bit
Noons had a reasonable pro boxing success, and Nick hung with him fine in their fight. Nobody thinks Nick is going to beat Andre Ward, but some people suspect he can hang with a name guy who may be past his prime.
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by Dave Strummer on Apr 15, 2011 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions
There needs to be a re-definition of “success.” Saying Noons found success in boxing is a bit of a stretch. He got some nice bum wins but dropped a fight to a scrub. Then James Countryman beat him and Countryman had a decent record but his career was on such a tremendous upswing that he hasn’t fought in over 2 years…
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 15, 2011 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions
All I'm saying is Noons is/was a pro boxer
And all of them would get wrecked in boxing matches as well.
Not true.
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by RolloTomasi on Apr 15, 2011 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Huh? KJ would get wrecked by any top-level boxer. Brent just pointed out why.
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Ok
But I never said anything about a top level boxer.
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by RolloTomasi on Apr 15, 2011 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
So, what exactly were you saying? Because Nick Diaz beat KJ Noons in an MMA-rules fight, he could hang with Ricardo Mayorga in a boxing match?
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I never said that.
I was responding to this statement.
And all of them would get wrecked in boxing matches as well. Let’s be real.
That is simply not true.
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the talent gap between the top and bottom of any division in boxing is huge. There’s a reason some guys go 30, 40, 50 fights without a loss in boxing. Nick jumping into a fight with a former top tier boxer would be like an overweight and over-the-hill former boxing champion coming to the UFC to fight Randy Couture in his mma debut…
I know you were trying to draw a parallel with Toney
But it doesn’t work. Diaz is not over the hill — quite the contrary, he’s in his prime.
A better analogy would be a top flight boxer at or near his prime, say Marco Huck, coming in to fight a UFC fighter past his prime like Randy. Randy would probably still win, but wouldn’t you pay to see that fight and be at least slightly apprehensive for Randy?
by Pantherhare on Apr 15, 2011 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Noons is not a good boxer in the boxing world. The man is not even in the top 50 in the MW devision in Boxing. He has a 11-2 record and the 11 wins are all mostly over sub par to down right horrible competition. Alot of those 11 W’s on his record in Boxing are agasint fighters with 500 records and even sub 500 records, etc
Diaz has no chance, none. That pitty pat, accumulation of punches style wont work with bigger gloves. Those guys would laugh, literally, at Diaz’s power. Keep in mind, Nick gets hit (and rocked) by virtually everything that all these guys throw, he just has insane cardio that allows him to recover almost instantly. He stands zero chance.
Nick gets hit (and rocked) by virtually everything that all these guys throw
Do you really think this? I understand the use of some hyperbole when posting, but c’mon.
by Pantherhare on Apr 15, 2011 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Mayorga would slap Nick Diaz silly
by Steve4192 on Apr 15, 2011 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Ummm
Did that karate chop just KO Din?
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by Chris Barton on Apr 15, 2011 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
You’ve never seen that? That was the greatest press conference of all time. Din’s fine, he’s just trying to get around his manager.
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I somehow missed it!!!!
At first I thought he was doing as you say, but I kept watching and he looked out of it so I thought I’d ask.
Sucks so bad that fight didn’t happen.
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by Chris Barton on Apr 15, 2011 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
You need to go back and watch this. Mayorga has a woman tranlating for him, and you could tell she just didn’t want to translate what Mayorga was saying. Stuff about Mayorga violating Din after the fight. Then Din offered up one of the most hilarious retorts of all-time:
Mayorga: “You’re only saying this because you have some big men around you.”
Thomas: “The only big man around me is you, fatass!”
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by Chris Barton on Apr 15, 2011 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
To me it looks like it dosn't even land.
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by RolloTomasi on Apr 15, 2011 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I hope you’re kidding. He didn’t even land the karate chop. Din just sold it.
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by Scott C. Broussard on Apr 15, 2011 1:43 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
So what REALLY happened?
I just watched that 10 minute vid on youtube and it does look like Din was kinda out. Idk if he was just faking it or if he was just off balance.
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by SentientAndroid on Apr 15, 2011 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I think he could make a lot in one boxing match against a name fighter
by The Art Of War on Apr 15, 2011 10:30 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Nick Just has a big fucking head!
He compares himself to GSP and the Fedors of the sport. You know the fighters that make close to three times Nick does in one fight. He thinks he deserves that kind of pay, which is FUCKING hilarious! Who has he fought that makes him think he deserves that, he better be happy with his payday now and just learn to shut up. Also he will get killed in boxing, he has no head movement, and would just get blasted by mid level guys. Last thing what makes him think he will get paid crazy money just because he starts boxing? Dude needs to lay of the weed, clean his system and it might help for his manager to actually talk somesense into him. All he is doing is pouring oil and gasoline on a stove fire.
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There’s not enough money in this. I have no idea why he thinks there is.
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If Showtime gets behind it there could be money involved. I would put him in the semi-main slot of a PPV card. Can he bring the MMA audience? Even an additional 20,000 buys would be worth paying him $250,000.
by Jonathan Snowden on Apr 15, 2011 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions
How many cable susbribers are there in Stockton?
I like boxing and I like Nick Diaz, but given the already heavy competition for my PPV dollar, I’m not dropping any additional sum of money to watch Nick Diaz in a boxing match.
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by Dave Strummer on Apr 15, 2011 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions
dont mind his nonesense
hes a diaz mark
Jonny Bench called.
by Sterling Archer on Apr 15, 2011 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions
What part do you disagree with? Could Diaz add 20,000 buys to a Cotto or Paq card? Why not put him on?
by Jonathan Snowden on Apr 15, 2011 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions
By the way, as a Diaz fan I’d be crushed by a move to boxing. But I can see how it might work financially.
by Jonathan Snowden on Apr 15, 2011 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions
It might work once
But if diaz was going to have a sustained career in boxing there is no way he would be getting big money from start to finish.
I bought Mir vs. Cro Cop
And St. Pierre vs. Hardy. Guaranteed that a Nick Diaz boxing match would be more exciting than those two.
$250k? Showtime doesn’t pay semi-main guys $250k for PPVs. Yuri Foreman brings in a nice chunk of viewers every time he fights because of the whole Orthodox Jew thing and he’s a semi-main to opening bout kind of guy for a PPV making about $100k…and that’s a former world champion with only two losses.
No way any boxing promoter gives up a ppv spot that could go to guys they’ve been grooming for years to see if Diaz wants to have some fun boxing.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 15, 2011 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
The boxing promoter would be Showtime and they have spent plenty of time investing in Diaz. Of course pay varies, but they are already paying Diaz $175,000 to fight MMA. If he’s more valuable in another role, he’s more valuable in another role.
by Jonathan Snowden on Apr 15, 2011 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t see it. Showtime doesn’t put together these cards, they bid on the event. They’re not going to put together their own PPV event and put Diaz on the undercard and pay him significantly more than all but like two co-main event boxers have gotten in the last two years.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 15, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
No but they could go to a promoter like Shaw and ask him to come up with a card that includes Diaz. It might be worthwhile for them to so because they either know they can’t really compete with the UFC in MMA ppvs and they hope to peel a chunk of that fanbase for the more proven boxing ppvs, or they want to use Diaz as gateway to draw Strikeforce fans to boxing (and possibly vice versa as well). This would be smart by Showtime because without spending a dime they would be able to double the content provided to subscribers.
What I wrote could be possible, since Showtime was apparently involved in his contract negotiations and agreed to add a boxing clause to it. The other possibility is that they were blowing smoke up his ass to get him to sign the damn thing. Still my guess to which is true.
by John Nash on Apr 15, 2011 11:21 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
That’s what Roy Jones tried to do, and failed miserably. Dana tried to draw in a boxing audience with James Toney and got nothing out of it. I just don’t think there’s anything to it – you can’t just stick them together (MMA and boxing) and think both types of fans will tune in. And back to the original point – Nick can’t make the kind of money he makes in MMA in this scenario. The cash just isn’t there.
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Here’s my argument against both those cases:
1) what platform did Jones have to build up those fights? None. He definitely didn’t have Showtime to introduce the two sports to their respective fans ahead of time. He also put the two sports together thereby turning off a portion of the fanbase. Boxing may not like know or like Diaz but he’ll be boxing not “rasslin”.
2) Dana has spent the last several years badmouthing boxing as dying, full of problems etc, and then brings an over-the-hill Toney over and expects them to follow? I think Strikeforce fans will be much more interested to see how a prime Diaz does in their sport over boxing fans interest in a desperate-for-a-paycheck Toney.
One thing I really hope doesn’t change about Strikeforce is the lack of antagonism they had towards boxing. I really like how I could be watching a Showtime boxing card or a Strikeforce card and see a promo for the other sports next event and all the announcers would express is mutual respect.
Boxing fans aren’t going to respect Diaz having one pro fight, no matter what he’s done in MMA. I’m a boxing fan, and even I don’t respect Nick’s boxing enough to want to see him on a boxing PPV. He doesn’t belong there. It’s gimmicky and sad.
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interesting
I am a boxing fan too, it seems to me that guys who like boxing don’t like this idea much. It’s not gonna work. I WOULD have some interest if Nick did what KJ did and tried to work his way up the ranks in a usual way, but he’s be making peanuts then so it won’t happen.
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by Chris Barton on Apr 15, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Exactly. You don’t just walk into another sport and get a monster payday. He’s not GSP. He’s Nick Diaz. He’s not going to build a boxing career the traditional way, so it’s not going to work.
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If he did the Pulver thing and fought on ESPN and worked his way up proving what he can do against appropriate competition? I’m totally stoked to see Diaz in a boxing ring. But throwing him on PPV against a boxer way past his best days? That’s crazy talk
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 15, 2011 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I didn’t write anything about boxing fans respecting his skills I wrote that there is a greater chance that MMA fans will follow him over than boxing fans followed Toney over. That would be the whole point of putting him on a boxing card to “peel a chunk of that fanbase for the more proven boxing ppvs”.
There’s three problems with that:
1. Diaz hasn’t ever proven to be a PPV draw in MMA, much less boxing.
2. The amount of boxing fans that would skip it because of their biases would probably equal more than the few MMA fans willing to pony up for it;
3. Boxing promoters aren’t going to risk their reputation by promoting interlopers from a competing sport in a top spot. Football players? Sure. MMA fighters? No way. Boxing doesn’t need to KO an MMA fighter to establish their dominance.
4. Again, no one’s made a case for how Nick Diaz is going to make more than 175k doing this. No co-main boxer does.
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I’m a boxing fan too and have no interest in seeing him jump onto a big name card. If he’s serious I’d rather he box a couple of low level fighters or other youngsters to get his feet wet. Put him against Tarvis Simms and Anthony Dirrell 1st or hell even KJ Noons but of course that’s not going to pay any money. OK to your answer your points:
1) No but he is a known commodity to Strikeforce fans so I’m guessing it’s easier to get those subscribers to buy a showtime ppv than UFC fans to suddenly come over,. At least it would be easier to introduce the idea to them.
2) If he’s the 3rd fight on the card I’d don’t see anyone skipping it. If marketed right, the best in MMA is going to try his hand at the sweat science boxing fans wouldn’t be turned off and talking to my boxing friends no one is not going to buy a card because they don’t like the 1st fight on ppv.
3) Agree here, but the potential is there. They’d have to give him a lower payday 0 say $50,000 – and do it as a test case. If it sells and they can get interest in his follow up fight they could offer him a cut of the ppv and make him a headliner or co-headliner. At 300,0000 buys that’d be over a million for him. I’d say potentially worth the risk for him.
1. Showtime can push the shit out of their PPV, but there’s nothing that correlates Strikeforce watchers into Strikeforce buyers. It’s all just a big guess.
2. If he’s the third fight on the card, it’s essentially meaningless, and you go right into # 3. Nick would not get a cut of the PPV. Mayorga didn’t even get a PPV cut for the Cotto fight. Even if Nick did knock out Jeff Lacy, he’s not worth of a main event PPV spot, or a cut of the PPV. Boxing promoters have been doing this a long time, they don’t just hand out money.
Besides, the whole idea of doing this is for cash NOW. Nick and Cesar aren’t forward thinkers, they’re not going to take the small check now with the real risk of losing. They want to get paid now.
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It would totally be a gamble. As I wrote they " know they can’t really compete with the UFC in MMA ppvs and they hope to peel a chunk of that fanbase for the more proven boxing ppvs"
If they were smart and serious I would expect them to try and get Diaz on a Showtime card 1st as the first fight of the main card. Showtime could help the promoter eat a chunk of his purse. It would be purely an experiment but if he brought a sizable audience and attention with him and, more importantly, won while looking good, then you could move him to the 2nd bout on a ppv and give him a cut.
But I agree with you in that I don’t see Diaz doing this longer term plan. The truth is i think it is a ploy to give him some leverage, especially now that for all practical purposes Strikeforce is gone.
Diaz on the undercard and pay him significantly more than all but like two co-main event boxers have gotten in the last two years.
THIS. The outrage that would cause.
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by Chris Barton on Apr 15, 2011 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Strikeforce is paying DIaz $175K, not Showtime.
Also, let’s not forget that Diaz is not a favorite among the Showtime brass. Ken Hershman was seriously pissed off at him when he pulled a no-show for a whiz quiz and forced them to scrap a main event.
Showtime doesn’t want to alienate their boxing fans though. Look at the big boxing fights that don’t make it to PPV. I highly, highly doubt they would waste a spot on an MMA fighter with one pro boxing match and a guy like Jeff Lacy. Yes, boxing undercards are perceived as wastelands to most MMA fans, but they’re really not. I’d be shocked if this made PPV in any form.
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Petulant whining is a good way to describe Diaz for sure.
Thank you for bringing reality into this Brent.
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His constant whining really is tedious. So its all about the money for Nick, yet he is the most sensitive-to-slights, emo fighter on the planet. If people complained about the fakeness of Kos/GSP, then they theoretically should HATE Diaz, right?
But…he smokes weed….and flips people off…..and….and…okay I’m done.
by Rahson on Apr 15, 2011 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Mayhem or Alves
Either get a fight worked out with Mayhem or bring Thiago Alves over from the UFC to challenge for the title. Diaz is pointing out the obvious. SF has nothing left for him at WW.
Winner
bring Thiago Alves over from the UFC to challenge for the title
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by Chris Barton on Apr 15, 2011 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Diaz v. Penn
make it happen
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Maybe he is just trying to pressure strikeforce into giving him a fight with jacare then if he wins he can go into the ufc for a super fight with a silva champion vs champion.
Care to explain how a win over Jacare would put Diaz as the next person for Silva?
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by RJshock 305 on Apr 15, 2011 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Well if silva stays at middlewieght theres not a long list of contenders and unifying title always has a certain apeal
Okami, and Sonnen, then they are trying to set up Wandy for a title shot as well. Why else would they have him fight Leben instead of Vitor?
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by RJshock 305 on Apr 15, 2011 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions
His reason for not fighting Mayhem was he wanted to focus on WW and defending his title. Now he wants to fight fucking Silva! Mayhem must be flipping out now.
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by RJshock 305 on Apr 15, 2011 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions
i thought his reason for fighting miller
Was that the fight wasn’t worth his trouble.
Not enough money (according to him) and not a big enough name.
No idea dude.
That Miller fight would have got him some bucks! Also WTF is SF doing with Miller they shelfed him for no reason.
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by RJshock 305 on Apr 15, 2011 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Ya, everyone knows him as the crazy Motherfucker from bully beatdown. After that brawl the fight would have sold out. But instead he fights cyborg then bitches about how he wants more money.
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by RJshock 305 on Apr 15, 2011 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Brawl related…
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by The American Ronin on Apr 16, 2011 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Also pretty stupid
IMO considering he’s most likely in the top 5 highest paid guys in all of SF. He needs to keep his mouth shut because he keeps getting his foot stuck in there…
Exactly.
He was the TOP earner in his last fight. $175,000. How many WW in the UFC make that? I can answer right now not fucking many.
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by RJshock 305 on Apr 15, 2011 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Perhaps he doesn’t want to risk his brand by fighting a bigger guy at another weight class with no belt on the line.
The ONLY thing Diaz gets from a Mayhem fight is another paycheck, which he can get by defending his title and continuing to rack up his number of defenses.
Diaz is a big draw himself, and I really think people over value this supposedly massive bully beat down audience that is going to buy tickets and order showtime…
The whole thing about the belt isnt why he didnt take the fight, he wants more money period. DIaz could give two shits about being SF champ as long as he gets paid. I think the mayhem fight would have made him more money.
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by RJshock 305 on Apr 15, 2011 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions
"i think the mayhem fight would have made him more money"
The fighters know how much money they are going to make… it isn’t some random abstract number that becomes known only after the fight.
If all he wanted was X dollars and SF offered him X dollars, he would have taken the fight. So either SF didn’t offer him X dollars, or the money wasn’t the only reason.
my guess is X dollars. Dude thinks he deserves 500k paydays
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by RJshock 305 on Apr 15, 2011 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
I dont think there is anything wrong with that
I think Diaz is a very valuable fighter… we’re always talking about how fighters should be paid more. But its some big problem when Nick Diaz tries to actually make that a reality.
You can call the guy a fool as much as you want… but lets be serious… how many fighters have managed their careers better than Nick Diaz?
Not many.
He has managed to increase his pay days, fame and reputation as a good fighter consistently. He hasn’t even peaked yet.
Dare I say it? Nick Diaz is good for the sport.
I think fighters that fight the best in the world should get paid well. Diaz has fought no one to think he should get paid in the 300k range.
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by RJshock 305 on Apr 15, 2011 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Nick Diaz has fought
Chris Lytle
Robbie Lawler
Karo Parisyan
Sean Sherk
Diego Sanchez
Takanori Gomi
Frank Shamrock
Hayato Sakurai
Paul Daley
ok
Lytle was 8 years ago dude.
Lawler was 7 years ago
Lost to Karo
Lost Sean
Lost to Diego
NC for Gomi
Frank Shamrock-Need I even explain that one
Sakurai and Daley.
You think this means he should be paid 300k+
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by RJshock 305 on Apr 15, 2011 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
you said he fought no one
And I like the way you ignore all context except for time.
Hah, Gomi was a NC… but don’t embarass yourself by discounting that fight like that.
You’re going to hold it against him that he had the Lytle and Lawler fight before he turned 22? Get out of here.
I’m going to spell this out very simply for you. If fighter pay is determined by their skill, popularity, and the amount of work they put in… then Nick Diaz deserves a raise.
I understand you don’t like him, but you can say he doesn’t deserve to get paid like the pro athlete that he is.
Until he gets more fights with ranked fighters as the SF champ,
then yes I will say every FUCKING day he doesnt deserve to get paid anymore then what he gets now.
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by RJshock 305 on Apr 15, 2011 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
lol
He needs to get more fights with ranked fighters as SF champ… but he’s you’re criticizing him for not fighting the unranked Jason Miller.
Your logic has come full circle to bite you in the ass.
Im criticizing him on that because he began to bitch about how he wants to get paid more. I still think a fight with Mayhem would have gotten him more money. However for the kind of cash he wants, his only option is to go to the UFC and fight their WW, which he would lose to upper mid level guys. However I can see how i did put my foot in my mouth.
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by RJshock 305 on Apr 15, 2011 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions
I still say that the Miller fight made a lot more sense for Miller and for Strikeforce.
And again, Diaz KNOWS how much would be paid. Saying “i think he would have made more money” is pointless… he knows how much it would be. They decide that before hand.
I completely understand him thinking… if I’m going to go up a weight class that 1) makes Strikeforce more money by selling tickets and drawing eyes. 2) Basically puts Mayhem back into relevancy in under 15 minutes (because as much as I love Mayhem that dude is not relevant at the moment as a fighter, SF has kinda screwed him that way)
Then I should be paid for that.
And quite frankly if you’re going to be propping up an entire card AND giving another fighter a huge boost in his career, then you should be getting something well above what you would normally be paid for a regular fight.
dude
its strikeforce, of course diaz will be propping up the card. thats the whole reason he signed with them, because he knew he would be the star and biggest talent in a thin/weak division, and by neing that star he would get overpaid. and ironically enough hes upset that hes not getting paid enough. lets get serious, hes only getting paid that money because hes the best in the division, a minor league cricuit star. strikeforce is as close to being a major league promotion as we’ll ever get, but that doesnt make it a major leauge promotion. they have major league stars (diaz, fedor, reem, etc) but that doesnt make them major league. there are guys in the ufc that can/would/have beaten nick diaz that get paid less than him, he is at the end of his ‘i dont get paid enough’ rainbow
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by Sterling Archer on Apr 15, 2011 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Not to mention Miller would rightfully be a significant favorite to UD Diaz…
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by The American Ronin on Apr 16, 2011 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Yep.
That’s a dangerous fight for Diaz, Mayhem is a very offensively dynamic grappler & striker.
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by ElliotMatheny on Apr 16, 2011 2:37 AM EDT up reply actions
If Diaz is in JUST for the check, that’s fine. If that is the case he needs to kill all of his “I’ll fight anybody” talk because that obviously isn’t the case.
HT: Almost every MMA fighter is in it for the check.
by Jonathan Snowden on Apr 15, 2011 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m aware of that, but I’d rather they’d just say it instead of posturing like they’ll fight anybody anywhere.
I’m sure most of them would – for money.
by Jonathan Snowden on Apr 15, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
He says it when it’s convenient. All we heard for the Miller fight was why he didn’t want to/couldn’t do it. That’s what I mean.
he says it all the time
he said it about the mayhem fight.
All he does is whine and bitch after every fight about money. Dude if 175k isnt enought for you in one year, the you are buying way to much weed.
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by RJshock 305 on Apr 15, 2011 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
the only dangerous amount is none!
If you wanna throw down in fisticuffs, fine! I've got Jack Johnson and Tom O'Leary waitin' for ya...right here!
by ODBasyoucansee on Apr 15, 2011 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Diaz might think that a fight with Miller could be career ending ; )
Faber, Florian, Diaz, 'Mayhem', Mousasi, Fedor
possibly
but he knows that a fight with any elite WW will be career ending. his camp has done a great job at lining up elite 2nd tier opponents that are not wrestlers to make him look good. hes not as good as the kool aid that gets passed around. look at it this way, before strikeforce got bought out he was calling out gsp, a fight that at the time was impossible and he knew it. he also knows he would get absolutely throttled by gsp. now all of the sudden that fight can happen, and not a peep out of him about fighting gsp. instead he throws out a ridiculous ultimatum…. give me anderson silva or im quitting mma. come the fuck on, he knows damn well no one is going to put him in the ring with anderson silva, hes not qualified to fold silvas laundry, let alone fight him. i like diaz, but im beginning to like nate more… nick is just getting ridiculous. put up or shut up you whiny little punk.
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by Sterling Archer on Apr 15, 2011 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
That is what confuses me.
If he knows that fighting someone in the Top Ten of the UFC could be a potential loss, then why in the hell would he call out Silva. He better fight Mayhem before he even thinks of Silva.
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by RJshock 305 on Apr 15, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Because he knows it is as impossible as
fighting GSP was when he was calling him out before the purchase…
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by The American Ronin on Apr 16, 2011 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions
3 title defenses in three months IS putting up, you whiny little keyboard warrior.
What has woodley done to earn a shot? Nick deserves big fights against top names after his streak, and I don’t blame him for bitching one bit.
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by Austin Martin on Apr 15, 2011 11:10 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
learn to read
i could give a shit about him fighting woodley, he doesnt deserve it. daley is the only legit contender out of those 3. but thats beside the point, the point is he called out gsp when it was an impossible fight. now ufc owns strikeforce and that fight oculd happen. and not one word from him on the topic. dont make me dig up the videos of him bitching about not being able to fight gsp. now he could, its possible, and he wants none of it.
none.
of.
it.
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by Sterling Archer on Apr 15, 2011 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
What did Cyborg due to earn a shot!? Please read before you post.
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by RJshock 305 on Apr 15, 2011 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions
He beat the Dream WW champion in his first fight at 170.
Still a Beer Monster.
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Dream
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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by Sterling Archer on Apr 15, 2011 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
I guess that’s what it takes to get a shot at the SF belt now a days.
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by RJshock 305 on Apr 15, 2011 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Ah
Well Played Sir, you have me their.
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by RJshock 305 on Apr 15, 2011 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
or Nick Diaz.
That’s how he got the belt in the first place.
How can you not respect a company
That put Todd Duffee in a championship bout coming off getting ko’d by a big ball of nickelodeon gak with arms
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by Sterling Archer on Apr 15, 2011 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions
To be fair,
Monte Cox was the one that fucked up big time there. No way should he have booked Duffee in that fight.
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by ElliotMatheny on Apr 15, 2011 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
No arguement
he was a replacement, i get it. but…really? duffee? really?
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by Sterling Archer on Apr 15, 2011 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
I really don’t think it was that bad of a deal. He got big cash to lose a fight no one expected him to win anyway. He can still rebuild his credibility, and be able to pay his bills for a year or 2.
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Was that 60 g's
worth a career setback and violent brain trauma? Duffee could’ve easily fought in the regional card he was set to participate in, and be back in the win column. Now he’s suffered 2 straight knockout losses.
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by ElliotMatheny on Apr 15, 2011 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions
He was going to get about 1/10th of what he made in Dream to win that local fight. He can still go and do that now, and turn it around.
Still a Beer Monster.
http://www.instrength.com
I guess.
I think I probably just value brain health a little more than a man who attacks people for a living.
60 g’s is a hell of a lot of paper.
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by ElliotMatheny on Apr 16, 2011 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Come on, Duffee took that fight on 8 days notice because Bobby Lashley weaseled out of signing at the last minute.
Still a Beer Monster.
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Dude...
Lashley is maybe the one person outside of maybe McCorkle that had even less business being in there then duffee
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by Sterling Archer on Apr 15, 2011 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Nevertheless, he was the one Dream had on the hook with a 6 figure contract dangling in front of him (after Semmy Schilt passed on the fight and Satoshi Ishii decided to fight JLB). Lashley hmmed and hawed and finally passed it up. That’s why Duffee got called up.
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this is where
eliot and i are in agreement, not duffees fault, it was cox, his bonehead move. in any event, were splitting hairs, the point is dream titles are laughable
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by Sterling Archer on Apr 15, 2011 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
were getting away from the fact
that diaz went from calling out gsp when he couldnt fight him, to now ducking the shit out of him
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by Sterling Archer on Apr 15, 2011 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think that’s a solid point at all. How do you duck someone you can’t even sign to fight if you wanted to right now?
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if sheilds loses
you dont think this will be on absolutely everyones minds? you dont think it will be a fight that is possible, even if it is in a years time? all im saying is diaz was pissed that he couldnt fight the best, then named gsp, because he was under a different umbrella…. well, now hes under the same umbrella
dont be scared homie
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by Sterling Archer on Apr 15, 2011 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions
People thinking Nick is scared is laughable. He’s calling out the biggest names because that’s what fighters do – they do it to get people like us talking. Sure, it was dumb to call out UFC fighters when Shields and Nick were doing it. It had it’s purpose though. And thinking Nick is somehow ducking ANYONE is so shortsighted. He’s chasing cash. That’s it. That’s what fighters always do.
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chasing cash?
so why is he going to boxing then? weve already established hes not making mayweather money in this lifetime. it just seems to me he keeps on throwing things out there that are just not possible and getting pissed when they cant happen. i mean seriously… anderson silva? why doesnt he just call out stretch armstrong and captain planet while hes at it
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by Sterling Archer on Apr 15, 2011 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Because Nick and Cesar have the faulty belief that he can make more in boxing than MMA.
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ok
i can live with that…i dont agree with it, but i can understand that line of logic. dont get me wrong, i love the diaz brothers, nick is certainly one of my favorites, personality types like his are good for that sport despite what some people may think. his refusal to be pc is refreshing and very real. but when the double standards start to jump out (gsp situation, not fighting miller but wanting silva) it just seems….. silly. its just difficult to defend.
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by Sterling Archer on Apr 15, 2011 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Understandable
There will always be double standards with a Diaz.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 15, 2011 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm tired of Diaz and all of his nonsense
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by Damon O. on Apr 15, 2011 11:09 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
His fights
more than make up for it IMO.
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by ElliotMatheny on Apr 15, 2011 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
It's interesting
I often get so sick of Nicks dicktucking, but MAN his fights are so awesome it’s hard to stay mad at him.
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by Chris Barton on Apr 15, 2011 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
That's the thing
The fight will be awesome but I know the horse shit will start falling from the sky soon after. He’s like really good coffee with a horrible after taste. It’s awesome when you drink it, but 15 minutes later you’re left scrambling for mints because it tastes like you’ve been chewing on a mixture of durian fruit and skunk ass.
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by Damon O. on Apr 15, 2011 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
love me some durian
dude, come on now. that shit is greatness. ever had a durian shake? it goes well with these nuts.
by Franklin Goodish on Apr 15, 2011 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Poorly executed "deez nutz" joke
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Hah!
I can get on board with that analogy.
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by ElliotMatheny on Apr 15, 2011 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Woodley is being overrated a lot I think
I had him in a draw in his last fight and many had him losing to Nate Coy. In my mind he is 1-1-1 over his last three and against people not even close to Nick Diaz’s league. I would bet money on Diaz in a heartbeat in a five round fight.
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seems like a leverage tactic gone wrong, but he & Cesar are getting his name in the headlines…so I’ll just wait on this one to see where it goes.
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Off-topic, but
how good would Anderson Silva have been as a boxer? Let’s say he left MMA at 30 to do boxing. Would he have had a chance to win a title?
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No
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by Chris Barton on Apr 15, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Negative
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How about at K-1?
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by The American Ronin on Apr 15, 2011 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Nick Diaz is ducking Tyron Woodley.
Don’t be scared, homie.
The key is to be confused about Diaz. Is he making enough money? “I’m from Stockton I don’t need much…” or is he making not enough money? Does he like training or does he not like training? Does he like the UFC or does he not like the UFC? Is he game with the merger or is he against it? Everything he says contradicts his actions. The guy complains about money when he’s in the top 5% of pay for the organization.
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I love the Nick Diaz spectrum
From Snowden’s hero-worship to Brookhouse’s contempt, it’s great to see the differing thoughts, opinions, and emotions that Nick Diaz brings out of people.
I hope he never leaves MMA
Honestly, I hope he never leaves too! I’d watch him fight anybody decent tomorrow and pay to do so (in an MMA bout anyway). There’s nothing like rooting against a guy that still entertains you. Like, I like Jon Fitch…but I can’t imagine how not fun it must be for people that really hate him to watch him fight.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 15, 2011 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
honestly
Over analyzing ANYTHING Nick Diaz says is dumb. I love the guy, but he is sort of set in his ways and he just gets pissed off with things, and he marches to the beat of his own drum. Writing an entire article bashing him about his obvious ridiculousness is really as silly as the things Nick Diaz himself says.
I didn't "bash" him at all.
I picked apart the idea that there’s money to be made in boxing and then concluded by pointing out the shitty situation he is in right now with no fights that are safe for his brand..etc.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 15, 2011 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Dually noted. I don’t know though, I don’t think he’s in that shitty of a situation. He makes a lot of money and he whines about how he doesn’t get paid. 175,000 dollars for a fight isn’t half bad considering he isn’t even in the ufc. I think people just need to let Diaz be Diaz, he’s always going to say and do what he wants, and for the most part it doesn’t make that much sense.
by Dale Newstead on Apr 15, 2011 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Nick Diaz has ZERO education
Why post articles on what an idiot he his? Nature vs Nurture homie.
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GSP vs. Diaz
If/when GSP beats Shields they should immediately put on a Diaz vs. GSP match. Don’t give him any warm up wrestlers for Diaz to lose to. Just get him in the cage with GSP and get a big payday. After that you can give him fun matches with BJ Penn, Thiago Alves, etc.
On one hand I agree with Nick
Woodley does nothing for his career, he’s a no name and as far as using boxing as leverage. I love it. He’ll make much more with his name, his following and guys with attitude problems are treasured in boxing for some reason (Myorga, Tyson).
On the other hand Nick needs to stfu and fight who Strikeforce puts in front of him. I didn’t see GSP bitching about fighting Dan Hardy or Jake Shields.
I thought these fighters’ contracts had them making a predetermined amount for each fight on their contract, which if thats true why does it really matter who he fights, aside from getting a favorable matchup that he should win. Wouldnt he get paid the same whether is a woodley, miller, or even a crossover match with a ufc fighter?
I think he's just essentially stirring stuff up
to piss of Dana. In all honesty Diaz was about as good a citizen as he’s ever been while under Strikeforce. But now since the purchase he’s been all out spoken and PO’d about everything and attack Helwani etc..I just don’t think he wants to fight for Zuffa. He basically had no one to answer to before and now they are on lockdown.
lol what a baby. “I don’t know anything about my contract.” Call your fucking agent.
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Nick Diaz is the ONLY mma fighter that I hate…the guy is such a douchebag that he could be the face of the entire feminine hygene industry. There is no denying he is a very talented real fighter, but his antics and attitude (regardless of whether or not it is a “good” mental tactic) are bad for the sport and disrespectful to his opponents. I honestly get enraged when I see his ugly as* mug start flappin his lips when that bell rings, it makes me want him to leave the sport for boxing. Any knowledgable fan would agree that although he is good, there is no chance he could ever gain or hold a title in the UFC due to deeper talent than SF’s roster. GSP would slaughter Diaz, there is no doubt in my mind. Their whole crew is a group of arrogant wigger loudmouths, who act like high school bullies who never grew up. They stink of ego and have zero class. I sure hope he does stick around so I can watch him splash his yap at real competition and end up in a ball on the mat. In closing, I hate you Nick Diaz….please go walk in front of a truck during your next run…
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