Navigation: Jump to content areas:


Pro Quality. Fan Perspective.
Login-facebook
Around SBN: VIDEO: Veterans Share Favorite Sports Memories

Badly Utilized Weapons in MMA

To go with my article last week, I’m going to discuss techniques that I think are drastically overused (and often performed badly) in MMA. Seeing these techniques used badly will often throw me into a fit of rage, and I’ll ground and pound the floor until my elbows are scraped and my fists are bloody.
Alright, I’m exaggerating. But seriously, it annoys me every time I see a fighters execute these techniques without any sense of timing or form. Unfortunately, it’s rather hard to find gifs of failed techniques, so instead I’ll give examples of appropriate usage of a technique.

Overhand Right

I see this punch thrown entirely too much. Especially lower down on the UFC card, when you have two guys who are terrible at striking but just want to ‘put on a show’ for the fans. Too many times in my life have I seen a guy throw this punch and miss it by a foot. What’s even more irritating is that fighters persist in throwing in, as if over the course of the fight their arms will magically elongate because they sacrificed a couple of goats to Chuck Liddell’s spirit the night before. Chuck’s not dead, and sacrificing things in his honour will NOT help you fight like him.

I understand that if you ‘cover up’ in boxing gloves, you’re more or less safe from the overhand right, but the same is not true in MMA gloves – and thus the overhand right is more effective in MMA than in boxing, and thus should be used more. It’s definitely an effective weapon in MMA. Nevertheless, fighters who don’t know how to set it up or when to throw it should just stop using it. I’m sick and tired of seeing guys take turns winging overhands at each other and both totally missing.

Here’s what an overhand right should look like. It’s not perfect, but it lands and KOs the other guy, so it’s not like I can complain.

Head kicks

Another oft sloppily used technique that too many fighters use far too frequently. The head kicks that annoy me the most are when they land flush, but the other guy isn’t dazed. If you’re a professional mixed martial arts fighter, and you land a head kick, and the other guy isn’t asleep on the floor – you need to stop throwing head kicks, because you’re doing it WRONG. Also, when you throw a head kick, if the other guy doesn’t fall over, you definitely shouldn’t be falling over.

A well executed head kick is a thing of beauty. It’s often unpredictable, thrown after the opponent as lulled you into a false sense of security with a steady diet of leg kicks and 1-2s. Then suddenly, the 1-2 comes, but a headkick follows. It’s supposed to be a surprise, a wildcard to keep you honest about keeping your hands up. But, alas, some fighters like to throw it far too often, with no regard to setting it up or doing it right.

Here’s the Crocop of old, showing us all how to do it properly.

Igorvscrocop_medium

Kimura

This one annoys me the most. Yes, Dan Hardy, I’m talking to you. This section is written especially for you. The Kimura is not easy to submit guys with in the first place. From top, it’s easy to defend, and even if the other guys gets it, sometimes you can just sort of straighten your arm to get out.

Still, it’s a good way to keep the guy on top from punching you in the face too much, and maybe you’ll pull it off, or get a sweep of it. That’s what you’d be thinking the first time you try for it.
So you try it, and it turns out the guy is too strong, or the arm is too sweaty. It’s just not working out. If you’re a regular person, you give up on it, and try and get up or work a different sweep/submission. If you’re Dan Hardy, you keep going for it over and over again until you lose the fight an all your fans. Einstein says "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." In this case, I’d probably replace Insane with stupid.

It’s not just Hardy either. I see this pretty often from fighters who think their bottom game jujitsu is better than it actually is. As far as I’m concerned, if you’re name isn’t Shinya Aoki or Demian Maia, your main priority from bottom should not be getting submissions, be it the failed kimura, half hearted guillotine attempt, or the flailing dance of the legs that people can only suspect are triangle or armbar attempts. Your main priority should be to sweep or get up. Try it once, and if it doesn’t work, for god’s sake, try something else.

‘Cage Control’

Whilst we’re all MMA fans here, I’m sure that we can all admit that oftentimes, MMA does not look all that… what’s the word. Heterosexual? Yes, we all know that sometimes MMA can look gay, and we accept it as part of the sport – proper fighting necessarily involves aspects of grappling, and their shirtless, and there’s Vaseline, so it can get wild. We all get that. However, when one guy is just pressing another guy up against the cage and not trying to do damage, with no punches, no knees, maybe a weak elbow every thirty seconds to stop the ref from breaking it up. Well, then you’re not fighting anymore. You’re just some guy pressing another shirtless guy against a cage.

You might be wondering what I’m talking about with this. I’m talking about that god-awful fight between Ryan Jimmo and Zak Cummings, on the MFC card last weekend. That fight was so awful; I literally turned it off in the middle of the round and chose to do nothing instead. I had nothing else to do – but this fight was more boring than doing nothing.

As far as I’m concerned, cage control is all fine and dandy – please, just remember it’s a fight and not some sort of weird pushing contest. Do it Shane Carwin style, or Randy Couture style. Throw some punches, throw some knees. Don’t just press against the other man’s body. I mean, I don’t have a problem with that sort of thing; I’m just against PDA in general.


EDIT: Somebody suggested I take out 'over' utilised. While I think Overhand rights and Kimuras are somewhat overused, I guess head kicks aren't. For sure, all these techniques are used sloppily, so I guess it makes more sense.

 

- See more of my writing at Total-MMA. The site is updated dailly, and I write every Thursday.

The FanPosts are solely the subjective opinions of Bloody Elbow readers and do not necessarily reflect the views of Bloody Elbow editors or staff.

Comment 80 comments  |  13 recs  | 

Do you like this story?

Comments

Display:

Overhand rights are EVERY righties power punch, and it looks terrible but it scores points. Leonard Garcia throws about fifty every fight and just wins baby

You retired from kick boxing in 2006. If you had to do it all over again, would you have tried fighting in MMA?

Jean-Charles Skarbowsky: No.

by rockied on Apr 14, 2011 7:13 PM EDT reply actions  

You're taking my statement pretty out of context

I think it’s pretty obvious that I didn’t mean the type of kick that Crocop landed on Hunt. that would be the exception to the rule, and I’m sure there are many head kicks that have been thrown that have been well timed, well executed and deserve applause.

Obviously you are taking my writing, which was meant in this case to be exaggerated and somewhat humorous, at face value. My overall point is just that in my opinion, guys throw head kicks too much, and it bugs me when they miss them or when they land but don’t seem to do damage (suggesting poor technique). A head kick in MMA is a high risk maneuver because it leaves the attacking fighter open for the takedown, and thus requires a high reward. In MMA, majority of the times you throw it, yes, you should be looking for a KO or KD.

A fighter who throws a head kick and lands it on another fighter (who isn’t mark hunt) should be able to KO or KD him. If it doesn’t (and it landed flush), there’s generally something wrong with the technique. That’s all I’m saying.

Your long windied, pompous reply to my light hearted fan post shows a fundamental misunderstanding of what you’re reading. =p

by cobracore on Apr 15, 2011 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not taking it out of context,

I just didn’t provide the whole quote. My apologies if I couldn’t detect the satire in this paragraph, but it wasn’t exactly teeming with sardonic wit.

Head kicks

Another oft sloppily used technique that too many fighters use far too frequently. The head kicks that annoy me the most are when they land flush, but the other guy isn’t dazed. If you’re a professional mixed martial arts fighter, and you land a head kick, and the other guy isn’t asleep on the floor – you need to stop throwing head kicks, because you’re doing it WRONG. Also, when you throw a head kick, if the other guy doesn’t fall over, you definitely shouldn’t be falling over.

A well executed head kick is a thing of beauty. It’s often unpredictable, thrown after the opponent as lulled you into a false sense of security with a steady diet of leg kicks and 1-2s. Then suddenly, the 1-2 comes, but a headkick follows. It’s supposed to be a surprise, a wildcard to keep you honest about keeping your hands up. But, alas, some fighters like to throw it far too often, with no regard to setting it up or doing it right.

I can agree that you see some whiffed high kicks in MMA, especially from poor strikers. And I think that the head kick is best used in moderation, with adequate setup, as you said.

I guess the issue I take up with saying that any technique is underused or overused is that it’s all situational, and really is more of a function of the still developing striking in MMA. Saying that “high kicks/ overhand rights/ spinning backfists are overused” is tantamount to saying “striking in MMA is bad”. It’s just very circular.

http://www.headkicklegend.com/

"I swear it upon Zeus an outstanding runner cannot be the equal of an average wrestler."
-Socrates

by ElliotMatheny on Apr 15, 2011 1:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Orthodox here.

My power strikes are a tight left hook and a straight right. I don’t work on my overhand right as well as I should so it’s not great, but I prefer the straight. When I can lure a guy into a brawl with me I love throwing a straight right, left hook, right uppercut combo, with an outside leg kick thrown in at the end. It’s not pretty and leaves you open, but it always makes people respect your power if you commit to the strikes and land one flush.

"Someone is WRONG on the internet. What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!"
-Randall Munroe

by pdl on Apr 15, 2011 3:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

That is a very good combo

especially in brawling (close quarters) range. When orthodox guys lob overhand rights at me, I like to step out to the right and throw my rear uppercut. I’ve noticed that most guys dip their heads down and throw the Chuck Liddell/ fastball type overhand right, and if you just pivot right (while keeping your left hand glued to your face) and throw the right UC, it can land with authority.

Another great thing to do with guys who throw wide punches is to just slip and counter with body shots. Since a good slip is essentially the same motion as throwing a body shot (lots of knee bend & foot pivot), it works perfect, and when you hit the body, it opens up their head quite well.

http://www.headkicklegend.com/

"I swear it upon Zeus an outstanding runner cannot be the equal of an average wrestler."
-Socrates

by ElliotMatheny on Apr 15, 2011 5:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not an overhand right, but this is a perfect example of dipping your head down while throwing ranged punch and countering with the rear uppercut

it doesn’t work out too well for ole Kos either…

"What do you know about my vision? My vision will turn your world upside down, tear asunder your illusions and send the sanctuary of your own ignorance crashing down around you. Now ask yourself: Are you really ready to see that vision?"
-Huey Freeman

by dgonz on Apr 15, 2011 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good call.

Totally forgot about that.

http://www.headkicklegend.com/

"I swear it upon Zeus an outstanding runner cannot be the equal of an average wrestler."
-Socrates

by ElliotMatheny on Apr 15, 2011 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I do well in brawls.

I’m a pretty compact guy with solid natural power for my size, so those exchanges usually work out favorably for me. Funny you bring up body shots, even using that same inside combo I mentioned I’ll throw the hook to the body sometimes and really load the uppercut since I’m already coming back up. Again, it’s not always pretty, but it establishes respect right away and will throw off an opponent’s rhythm.

Do you ever use a lead jab to the body? I started practicing in after watching how often JDS lands it and when you figure it out, it’s a hell of a punch. Can’t throw it like a regular jab and need more oomph than snap, but it’s interesting how useful it can be. If you establish it early then it really opens up your options off of feignts, especially getting them to lower their right hand to protect the body and allowing you to bring a hook to the jaw instead.

"Someone is WRONG on the internet. What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!"
-Randall Munroe

by pdl on Apr 16, 2011 2:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Jab to the body is very useful.

You just need to make sure you really bend at the knees when you throw it.

Don’t throw it like Valuev does. He leans forward too much, and that leaves you open to counters.

The good thing about the jab to the body is that it really opens up your other punches. You can feint to the body and go to the head (with a second jab, or a right hand); you can go to the body, then roll under a counter right with a right to the body of your own… your options are great.

Especially if you’re short, jabbing the body is great.

http://www.headkicklegend.com/

"I swear it upon Zeus an outstanding runner cannot be the equal of an average wrestler."
-Socrates

by ElliotMatheny on Apr 16, 2011 3:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

I do work a one to the body, one to the head double jab sometimes

but the right hand as the followup doesn’t work for me with the level change. It’s unnatural and doesn’t flow well. I like to go to the body with the jab since it’s either that or leg kicks to establish range with my height. Hence the brawling, power striking combos on the inside. You a fellow inside fighter or a bit taller for your weight? I strongly suggest Boxing for MMA if you’re tall, but trying stuff off that DVD gets people like me killed.

"Someone is WRONG on the internet. What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!"
-Randall Munroe

by pdl on Apr 16, 2011 4:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm 6'3, 230

So I definitely try to keep guys on the end of my jab/ cross. The hardest thing for me to learn was being brave in the pocket. I didn’t like getting hit when I first started training, and fought like an offensively flat version of Machida. Just on my bike, all day long (I used to be a bit of a gentle giant).

The best thing I learned (and it’s still a work in progress) was to stand my ground, sit down on my punches, and have confidence in my power. Getting shitkicked by the amateurs at Xtreme Couture helped normalize the idea of punches whizzing at my head.

http://www.headkicklegend.com/

"I swear it upon Zeus an outstanding runner cannot be the equal of an average wrestler."
-Socrates

by ElliotMatheny on Apr 16, 2011 5:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Good breakdown

My boxing coach loves to say “only suckers get hit with lead rights.” Since I started training with him my left hand (jabs, hooks, lead uppercuts) have gotten much better and my rights have stagnated (don’t even get him started on the “overhand” right, which he has no respect for). Martial artists develop different tools based on their natural abilities and training philosophies.

Tatum: I think he's a good man. I like him. I got nothing against him, but I'm definitely gonna make orphans of his children.

by Dave Strummer on Apr 15, 2011 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you have a great sense for distance and timing,

you can throw a Chuck Lidell type overhand, although I don’t think it’s optimal. Overeem showed how devastating a tight, quick overhand right can be against Ben Edwards.

http://www.headkicklegend.com/

"I swear it upon Zeus an outstanding runner cannot be the equal of an average wrestler."
-Socrates

by ElliotMatheny on Apr 15, 2011 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

It scores points

with Cecil Peoples and his legions of bad MMA judges

by cobracore on Apr 14, 2011 7:21 PM EDT reply actions  

People use what’s effective. These strikes, are easily integrated into MMA. Some strikes, are not as effective, but with enough specialized training can be.

by p123 on Apr 14, 2011 7:55 PM EDT reply actions  

Last night TUF reminded me of horrible spinning back fists. Its so difficult to KO someone with. Its just a waste of energy.

Carwin unleashed those uppercuts straight from the depths of hell. That was an impressive fight.

Hardcore MMA fan since UFC 99

by ChiCubs23 on Apr 14, 2011 8:27 PM EDT reply actions  

It doesn’t matter if its pretty, if it works , it works. Period.

by p123 on Apr 14, 2011 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yea

I agree with your sentiment, but more often than not it doesn’t work. Sloppy technique and bad timing often make fighters miss. For sure, there are many cases where these techniques are used well. At the same time, many fighters throw them too often and at the wrong times.

I’m not saying that these are inherently bad techniques, or that they’re ugly or whatever. They’re just overused and more often than not, especially at the lower levels, they end up missing or being completely ineffective.

by cobracore on Apr 14, 2011 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I disagree.

Like most spinning strikes, the spinning backfist takes a great amount of skill, precision, and timing to execute properly. But when you can do it right, it’s a very effective strike and gives the opponent yet another thing to preoccupy themselves with.

http://www.headkicklegend.com/

"I swear it upon Zeus an outstanding runner cannot be the equal of an average wrestler."
-Socrates

by ElliotMatheny on Apr 15, 2011 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's got strategic uses as well

If your opponent has a spinning elbow or backfist coming at him every time he parries your jab, then it can really put him off that aspect of the game

"Anyone who enjoys watching sport on television is an imbecile; a dangle-mouthed, cud-chewing, salivating ding-dong with a brain full of dim piss, blobbing out in front of a box watching a grunting thicko knock a ball round a field while their own sad carcass gently coagulates into a wobbling mass of beer and fat and thick white heart-attack gravy" - Charlie Brooker

by Mattyjudo on Apr 16, 2011 6:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly.

All warfare is based on deception
~Sun Tzu

/ hipster

http://www.headkicklegend.com/

"I swear it upon Zeus an outstanding runner cannot be the equal of an average wrestler."
-Socrates

by ElliotMatheny on Apr 16, 2011 7:10 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

You are very wrong my son...

A vicious technique when used properly
He is my favorite example when the korean zombie took a kickboxing match with a thai champ Pajonsuk. He was pretty much considered shark bait for the veteran practitioner but knocked Pajonssuk out with a spinning backfist. He was DQ’d from the fight even though it’s a legal move in K-1 it is illegal on it’s showtime boxing. While not a win on record he knocked out a muay thai champ with a muay thai technique. ;)

by mr. gogoplata on Apr 16, 2011 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

And Pajonsuk is no joke.

Although it’s a bit unfair to give much credit to KZ for landing a blow Paj didn’t expect to defend.

http://www.headkicklegend.com/

"I swear it upon Zeus an outstanding runner cannot be the equal of an average wrestler."
-Socrates

by ElliotMatheny on Apr 16, 2011 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

The front kick to the face is on it's way there

Not on the level of any of these techniques but ever since Anderson Silva knocked out Vitor, at least one person tries it on damn near every card.

by simpsycho on Apr 14, 2011 8:54 PM EDT reply actions  

at least the front kick

is safer (comparatively) than the head kick. The head kick just leaves a fighter wide open while the front kick (as Anderson demonstrated so aptly) that it can KO a guy when they’re lulled into the false sense of security of a front kick being used as a push kick.

by Cindjor on Apr 16, 2011 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

As to the head kicks,

I agree completely. I swear, 90% of the kicks I see (and not just head kicks) have no foot or hip rotation. Try this: lift up your leg and swing it sideways. Then watch a properly thrown kick with rotation, hips thrown into it, shin meeting head. Ahhhhhhhh.

by Andy Davis on Apr 14, 2011 9:53 PM EDT reply actions  

It's just a matter

of improving the overall level of striking in MMA, in general.

http://www.headkicklegend.com/

"I swear it upon Zeus an outstanding runner cannot be the equal of an average wrestler."
-Socrates

by ElliotMatheny on Apr 15, 2011 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

You should get rid of the overutilized

And just leave the badly part in the article. All of these techniques are amazing, they are just incorrectly used is all

by DarthKitty on Apr 14, 2011 11:09 PM EDT reply actions  

The Rubber Guard

is the least effectively used thing in MMA.

Aside from my personal dislike for the rubber guard in traditional Brazilian jiujitsu, aided by Joe Rogan’s verbal orgasm anytime Eddie Bravo techniques are used, I must say that I have not seen a more futile technique in mixed martial arts.

With the exception of Shinya Aoki, I literally cannot recall a single time a rubber guard has been used effectively in MMA competition.

Legalize MMA in New York.
Legalize marijuana nationwide.

by bcpjkell on Apr 14, 2011 11:47 PM EDT reply actions  

Again,

it’s just not used properly. Dan Hardy played a very weird combination of lockdown half guard (10’th planet style), but a traditional full guard. He completely messed up a very basic electric chair sweep from lockdown HG, and never once was able to get any kind of rubber guard going.

Aoki uses Rubber guard well, and that’s a function of the fact that he’s a good grappler. Lullo was completely neutralizing Barbosa and threatening him from his back, but Barbosa was much bigger, has better wrestling, and obviously much much better striking.

10’th planet has some transitions and positions that are very much applicable to MMA, but not many people train them.

http://www.headkicklegend.com/

"I swear it upon Zeus an outstanding runner cannot be the equal of an average wrestler."
-Socrates

by ElliotMatheny on Apr 15, 2011 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

G-sot

Used it very effectively against Joe daddy, who has excellent top control

by DarthKitty on Apr 15, 2011 12:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Good call.

Sotiropolous has made very good use of the Rubber Guard.

What many people don’t realize is that 10’th planet, while a sufficient ground fighting system in and of itself, is only 1 style of grappling. It’s a system which emphasizes certain transitions, underused positions, etc which can be very useful in MMA. But too many people see a guy pulling mission control, and then getting their guard passed or getting beat up, and then ridicule the system.

This is a fallacious train of thought. Simply pulling mission control, and using it to hold down the opponent isn’t good 10’th planet JJ.

http://www.headkicklegend.com/

"I swear it upon Zeus an outstanding runner cannot be the equal of an average wrestler."
-Socrates

by ElliotMatheny on Apr 15, 2011 1:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

i never said the rubber guard was terrible or even inapplicable to full contact fighting. I was just commenting on another “Badly Utilized Weapon in MMA,” and I think the rubber guard epitomizes that.
Yes, the rubber guard is a nice funky addition to a fundamentally strong BJJ game. Yet I have very rarely ever seen it used effectively for as many times as I’ve seen it attempted.

Legalize MMA in New York.
Legalize marijuana nationwide.

by bcpjkell on Apr 15, 2011 2:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

That's fair.

And that wasn’t specifically aimed at your comment.

I would say that in general, good 10’th planet JJ technique has only been seen in a handful of MMA fighters. Those who have used it correctly generally use it to good effect.

http://www.headkicklegend.com/

"I swear it upon Zeus an outstanding runner cannot be the equal of an average wrestler."
-Socrates

by ElliotMatheny on Apr 15, 2011 3:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

i had totally forgotten about that fight. yes i remember sotiropoulos sweeping stevenson from a rubber guard omaplata. good call

Legalize MMA in New York.
Legalize marijuana nationwide.

by bcpjkell on Apr 15, 2011 2:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

I feel like Kenny has a pretty decent rubber guard

If I remember right he was controlling Maynard fairly well in the third round of the fight and almost caught him in an omoplata.

Contributor at cagepages.com Come check us out.
Head Kick Legend

by Neil Manich on Apr 15, 2011 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kenny's aight.

He is pretty good at using high guard in general, so rubber guard is a pretty natural progression for him.

http://www.headkicklegend.com/

"I swear it upon Zeus an outstanding runner cannot be the equal of an average wrestler."
-Socrates

by ElliotMatheny on Apr 16, 2011 1:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Guillotine choke?

I’m not as knowledgeable about it, but it seems like it has a very low success rate.

And it seems to really exhaust the arms of the guy attempting the submission, and usually leaves them in a bad position too.

Good guillotines are nice, though.

Think about it!

by ET Son on Apr 15, 2011 1:17 AM EDT reply actions  

I don’t think guillotines are overused, just held on to for to long. How often do we see guys straining, holding them on, when they aren’t really tight? Also, we see a lot of times where guys hold them, but don’t have body control. In this aspect, I agree with you.

I also think one reason we see so many, is they are almost set up on their own during takedowns. Perhaps with the increasing number of takedowns, we are seeing an increased number of guillotine “attempts”?

by BJJDenver on Apr 15, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Raddest bad technique still seen in MMA:

Has to be the superman punch when it’s executed really poorly. The lazyman punch!

by Pyrgz Krum on Apr 15, 2011 1:45 AM EDT reply actions  

The Stevenson one is just sad as hell, the Kenny one is pretty awesome. I love me some counter hooks.

by BeardedNerd on Apr 15, 2011 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Check hooks are the shit.

And the Penn/ Florian gif, when slowed down, shows Penn completely slip Kenny’s punch, and connect solid with his hook.

http://www.headkicklegend.com/

"I swear it upon Zeus an outstanding runner cannot be the equal of an average wrestler."
-Socrates

by ElliotMatheny on Apr 15, 2011 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

I remember reading a “How to Defend a Superman Punch” article about this sequence.

Legalize MMA in New York.
Legalize marijuana nationwide.

by bcpjkell on Apr 15, 2011 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Check hooks are the shit

Deifntiely! Check hooks are easily my favourite punches in all boxing.

"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey

www.badlefthook.com

by Drunken cutman on Apr 15, 2011 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

these are some of the best gifs

thanks, these are hilarious and educational

by mlkj100 on Apr 15, 2011 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

that's an awesome gif

of an absolutely horrendous superman punch. Kenny doesn’t elevate, doesn’t keep his hands up, doesn’t extend. It’s like he’s playing white guy hopscotch. Where’s the ups son!!

by disinferno06 on Apr 15, 2011 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

i know there both Philippine but i wanna see him and pac-man fight(especially cause mayweather wont sign)

by mr. gogoplata on Apr 16, 2011 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

He tasted BJ's power,

and went into survival mode for the rest of the fight. You can visibly see it. He goes from bouncing around, trying to work his muay thai, to desperately hugging onto BJ on the fence.

http://www.headkicklegend.com/

"I swear it upon Zeus an outstanding runner cannot be the equal of an average wrestler."
-Socrates

by ElliotMatheny on Apr 16, 2011 1:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Gogo-/omoplatas!!

Joe ‘Omoplata’ Rogan gets so excited each and every time even though that very technique lands one time out of a million attempts. Unless you’re Aoki or Nick Diaz: just don’t.

by kaptenstofil on Apr 15, 2011 4:21 AM EDT reply actions  

I disagree.

Although most omo’s and gogo’s don’t result in a submission, it is a great way to sweep or take the back.

http://www.headkicklegend.com/

"I swear it upon Zeus an outstanding runner cannot be the equal of an average wrestler."
-Socrates

by ElliotMatheny on Apr 15, 2011 5:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly, I don’t remember an omoplata ever going wrong, but I remember many times it got a guy out of troubles. Now, the leg locks are a total different story.

Boys becoming men...Men becoming wolves

by spectaa on Apr 15, 2011 6:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

All right, but I believe I’ve seen a number of fights where the guy at the bottom constantly pulls his feet in the face of the attacker for no apparent gain. But you’re probably right..

by kaptenstofil on Apr 15, 2011 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Aside from the actual submission,

going for omo’s/ gogo’s from a rubber guard or high guard is a great way to control posture and minimize the damage you take.

http://www.headkicklegend.com/

"I swear it upon Zeus an outstanding runner cannot be the equal of an average wrestler."
-Socrates

by ElliotMatheny on Apr 15, 2011 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Good post! Pretty much agree. I’d like to throw in arm-in guillotines, you’ll always see guys jump to it from standing position / clinch, end up on bottom, and have the other guy slip out. Sometimes they do this many times in a fight. It’s just bad because they end up on the floor with the other guy on top, plus the danger of gassing out the arms.

I agree about the head kicks, there’s way too many thrown without any proper set-up. Like you said it normally should be set up by throwing leg and body kicks, and then sneak one in for full effect. For some reason it’s one of those techniques that always get certain people excited, even if it doesn’t land properly and does no real damage.

by Horselover Fat on Apr 15, 2011 10:53 AM EDT reply actions  

The jab is still poorly used, if it is at all. Too many guys throw single jabs only or paw with it. Overhand rights are as sloppy in boxing as they often are in MMA. People throw them because if you’re throwing wildly (and most guys do in the cage), you’re not thinking enough to really work straight right hands or crosses. You can’t fix nerves on most of these guys, and that’s the big problem.

As for head kicks – Guy Mezger was the original guy who’d land then and not hurt anyone with it. Some guys don’t swing hard enough for them to matter – they end up being more of a scoring blow. Its not like every head kick in a muay thai fight or kickboxing match ends up being a killer, you know? Otherwise fights over in Bangkok wouldn’t make it out of round 3.

by VirtualBalboa on Apr 15, 2011 12:25 PM EDT reply actions  

In thailand...

They make it out of round 3 because they know how to block kicks properly. Most shin to head contact over there ends a night for the fighter on the receiving end (most)

by trickthethaifighter on Apr 15, 2011 4:25 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

The Kimura

seems to get used a lot as a way to control the opponent, not so much as a realistic submission.

That said, one thing a I hate (and love!) is when the arm gets pinned back under the person. Just brutal!

by BJJDenver on Apr 15, 2011 12:31 PM EDT reply actions  

Um Randy's use of the cage

is the epitome of pushing someone against the cage and holding them there. He rarely throws a lot of punches. He usually leans on you the entire time, broken up by a few short hooks, then a knee to the quad(s), lean some more, a few close elbows. Then…….lean on them some more

by disinferno06 on Apr 15, 2011 3:27 PM EDT reply actions  

How many Randy fights have you seen? Is it just the Vera fight? It’s just the Vera fight, isn’t it?

by gzl5000 on Apr 15, 2011 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

nope

but nice try being a smartass.

by disinferno06 on Apr 15, 2011 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Please give me another example then.

When else has Randy ever wall ’n stalled?

by gzl5000 on Apr 15, 2011 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

idk if I would call it pure stalling

as he isn’t trying to recover from being rocked or trying to catch his breath. But that is his usual gameplan, he says so himself. He puts people against the cage, utilizes short punches and knees, pushes them against the cage……repeat.

by disinferno06 on Apr 15, 2011 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, he pushed people against the cage to tire them out.

The difference in what you’re saying is this:

He rarely throws a lot of punches. He usually leans on you the entire time, broken up by a few short hooks, then a knee to the quad(s), lean some more, a few close elbows. Then…….lean on them some more
And it seems to imply that Randy is not busy or not really trying to do damage with his cage work. I beg to differ. He broke Vitor and Gonzaga with those short punches and elbows.

by gzl5000 on Apr 16, 2011 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

He's not that bad

Randy is actually relatively active with the dirty boxing. Seriously. Go watch the Jimmo Cummings fight. I wrote that entire last section about cage control because of that fight. Because of my anger..

by cobracore on Apr 15, 2011 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Randy’s most recent fights against MMA competition have looked like that but I remember watching Couture-Belfort III and being amazed at how Couture beat up Belfort against the cage. It was absolutely brutal.

by HarryBolsagna on Apr 15, 2011 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Chuck overhand against overeem was telegraphed so bad

It’s a combination of no knowledge of head movement and no footwork by overeem. He does use head movement a little more now but not that much.
 Sergio’s KO of Williams is a good example of a overhand, tight and crisp with a good amount of power behind it.

by Blacklegend on Apr 15, 2011 5:29 PM EDT reply actions  

It's like he's not even looking where he swung that punch

It looks like he started to throw it and then said “hey look, a quarter on the ground over there!” and it just happened to land anyway. lol

"What do you know about my vision? My vision will turn your world upside down, tear asunder your illusions and send the sanctuary of your own ignorance crashing down around you. Now ask yourself: Are you really ready to see that vision?"
-Huey Freeman

by dgonz on Apr 15, 2011 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

He knew where Williams head was going to be when he threw it.

Hell Williams was getting nailed with punch all night until the KO.

by Blacklegend on Apr 15, 2011 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

for real

He must have hit him with that punch 12 times in the round before. He just put all his weight into it that time.

I like how Martinez is celebrating before Williams hit the ground.

When I'm on the mic it goes down, CINTRON

-Joell Ortiz

by The Lethal Haze on Apr 16, 2011 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

How is that "tight and crisp"?

I mean, it lands exactly where it should, but the Sergio’s arm is what I personally would call “way the fuck out there”

Maybe I just don’t get it?

by hardlyworking on Apr 15, 2011 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

It looks that way because of where they positioned when sergio lands the punch.

Sergio moves a little to his right to throw the left hand, Williams is just coming forward with his chin out there, no head movement and no footwork. Williams just attempts throw a hook without using anything to set it up, which is mind boggling since he has the physique of Tommy Hearns.

by Blacklegend on Apr 15, 2011 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I guess I see it now

Nothing like Chuck’s in the top gif, where he throws it from the next town over.

Sergio’s body jogs away from the punch, but had he stayed put, it would have been tight and just over the guard of Williams (low as it was). And I get WHY you move your body/head when throwing the overhand, because you don’t want to get countered.

by hardlyworking on Apr 15, 2011 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

The kimura from guard is rarely used well in MMA, but it can definitely be effective. Look at Dan Hornbuckle as a good example. I use it at BJJ all the time, in fact I’d say a lot of my game is based around it. It can be useful for setting up a sweep, taking the back, switching to an armbar, or even a guilltone if you’re lucky. However, it works if you suprise the other person, its fairly straightforward to avoid if you keep going for it

"The men who get on best with women are those that get on best without them" Lee Christmas

by StevenGiles on Apr 15, 2011 8:03 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah,

it’s never good to keep phoning in the same move over and over.

http://www.headkicklegend.com/

"I swear it upon Zeus an outstanding runner cannot be the equal of an average wrestler."
-Socrates

by ElliotMatheny on Apr 16, 2011 1:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Comments For This Post Are Closed


User Tools

"I'm working on the intricacies of details of maneuvers that he still doesn't even know the names of." - Frank Mir

FanPosts

Community blog posts and discussion.

Recommended FanPosts

Chilli_pickle_283g_hot_small
Junior Dos Santos' Worst UFC Win is Stefan Struve
Wario_small
BECW3 UFC 146 Recap & Live Post discussion
Wario_small
BECW3 UFC 146 Live Post
Madmen_icon_small
Dan Hardy: The Outlaw (Short documentary film)
Me_2_small
Farewell Frank Mir

Recent FanPosts

Small
Rafael Lovato Jr. on Open Mat Radio
Small
The Most Valuable Non-UFC Fighters
Small
USA chants during ufc fights!?!?!?!?!?
220px-johnnycash1969_small
Fighters you aren't sold on ?
Small
Duane Ludwig's chasm...ouch
Rousimar-palhares-picture_small
An Appeal to SBNation
Lebowski_excited_grin_small
Top 5 Potential Replacements for Vitor Belfort Against Wanderlei Silva
Obp_small
Help me get a job

+ New FanPost All FanPosts >

MMA Rankings

USA Today / SB Nation Consensus MMA Rankings