Nick Diaz Threatening to Leave MMA for Boxing
by Nate Wilcox on Apr 14, 2011 6:57 PM EDT
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Strikeforce welterweight champ Nick Diaz and his coach/manager Cesar Gracie will be guests on HDNet's Inside MMA this week. It's expected that Diaz will communicate his deep frustration with the current state of his MMA career. Diaz beat Paul Daley in the first round of Strikeforce: Diaz vs Daley last Saturday.
HDNet quotes Diaz in their press release for the show:
"[Strikeforce] doesn't have anybody else for me to fight right now, I'm better than all these guys they have," says Diaz. "The guys they have ranked above me, I'm sure they don't want to fight me. I don't see much of a future in this sport for me. I honestly don't, especially if there's not a whole [lot] of money going on."
Separately, Diaz's manager Cesar Gracie tells "Inside MMA" that Diaz has signed a boxing contract to fight Fernando Vargas later this year. The contract is awaiting Vargas's signature, but Gracie says that unless Dana White offers Diaz a fight with Anderson Silva, Nick's next fight will definitely be in boxing.
Here's the sneak preview from the show with Cesar Gracie:
It's been reported that Diaz' current Strikeforce contract allows him to take boxing matches outside the promotion. Our own Brent Brookhouse thoroughly debunked the notion that Diaz will make more money boxing than fighting MMA.
Luke Thomas comments:
We must question whether leaving MMA fights on the table altogether and replacing his MMA career with a run in boxing is even contractually feasible. The option to take boxing fights is categorically separate from leaving the sport in one fell swoop. The latter sounds eerily similar to Randy Couture "retiring" from his Zuffa contract.
We must also wonder if this is a bargaining ploy for UFC employment where Diaz would face a steady diet of top-ranked opposition and could likely garner higher payouts than his current Strikeforce contract can provide.
Whatever one thinks of Diaz's suggestion or the idea that he should move to the UFC, the notion that he'd quit MMA altogether and replace the activity with boxing would be a massive blow to Strikeforce's roster integrity. With more and more pressure being placed on Zuffa to poach Strikeforce talent for crossover fights, holding on to key figures is essential to give the Strikeforce name value and viability. With Diaz threatening to leave Strikeforce and the sport altogether, the organization's viability is under greater stress than ever.
MMA Payout adds:
This is an unusual career move if the information is true. Only Fernando Vargas benefits from this news as he is the only one that will receive a career boost from the fight. In a post-fight interview, Dana White talkedabout how Diaz could be a star and that the money will come. It should especially with the new marriage with Zuffa. Still, Diaz seems only happy when he's miserable.
Shouldn't Diaz question his management about the direction of his finances? If he is claiming that he's not seeing the money then maybe he should ask his manager instead of demonizing a straw person (or people) holding him back. It should be the role of the manager or agent to come up with opportunities both inside and out of the ring. Sure, an agent can only go so far to lobby for matches. But, they definitely can help a client with outside opportunities. Sponsorships, business investments and general finances are well within the realm of a manager. This is what White meant when he stated Diaz "won't play the game". If Diaz would be more media savvy, he might be able to get more opportunities. Diaz has the "Stone Cold" persona which could play well with sponsors and advertisers. A lot of people are fans of this Nick Diaz. He just needs to know when to turn it on and off.
A fight with Vargas diminishes the Diaz brand at a time when its received the most publicity.
UPDATE: MMA Weekly spoke with Cesar Gracie and got an update about Diaz' possible boxing opponent:
"Actually, just heard Vargas might have medical issues. So we are looking at another opponent."
The plan is still for Diaz's next fight to be a professional boxing bout, but their sights have shifted to the possibility of him fighting former IBF super middleweight champion Jeff Lacy.
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Does Nick Diaz not realize that MMA strikers underutilize bobbing and weaving, which is the perfect antidote for his style of striking?
Yeah,
Anderson would bend Nick over a sink. It’s fucking ridiculous (if admirably ballsy) that he’s asking for that fight.
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by ElliotMatheny on Apr 15, 2011 4:56 AM EDT up reply actions
hmmm.....
he also has a 1-0 boxing record and trains with the likes of andre ward.
by mr. gogoplata on Apr 14, 2011 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Leaving MMA for Boxing.... This is what Diaz does to his fans with this decision
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Melvin Guilard looks like a little Kevin Randelman!
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KOing coleman is fan friendly
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by the-gentle-way on Apr 14, 2011 6:54 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Very true
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Cheick Kongo looks like a cross between Evander Holyfield and pop singer Seal!
Melvin Guilard looks like a little Kevin Randelman!
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too be fair Vargas is pretty shot and fighitng at 175 would be way above Vargas limit
Didn’t Vargas start his career at 147? He’s pretty fat right now so I would not be surprised if Diaz wins.
by The Art Of War on Apr 14, 2011 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions
he is completely shot it is sad
the is 33 and punch drunk
by Mohammedini Hussein on Apr 15, 2011 3:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Pictured: Nick Diaz re-signing his contract with Strikeforce last year, apparently
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by BVandDietPepsi on Apr 14, 2011 4:58 PM EDT reply actions 15 recs
Had to Rec
It must have been how they did it.
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if this is really how he feels...
than zuffa should let him go. nothing good will come from him just sitting around complaning.
i just think diaz is having a charlie sheen moment tbh.
by Roy r.l. on Apr 14, 2011 5:01 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
i think that last daley left hook messed up his math. $175,000 is underpaid lawlawl
by mr. gogoplata on Apr 14, 2011 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions
he's getting ripped off
by Cesar Gracie. His camp split must be utter and complete bullshit. He got paid $175,000 BEFORE sponsorship money. And he still says he isn’t seeing any money. I understand the expenses and everything that comes along with a training camp and all of that, but he should be living very well. He’s getting FUCKED
by disinferno06 on Apr 14, 2011 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions
The contract is awaiting Vargas’s signature, but Gracie says that unless Dana White offers Diaz a fight with Anderson Silva, Nick’s next fight will definitely be in boxing.
Anderson Silva vs Nick Diaz? Do want.
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by andrew861 on Apr 14, 2011 5:01 PM EDT reply actions 5 recs
Wait...
I thought Nick Diaz wouldn’t Fight at 185
by Ruben Tisch on Apr 14, 2011 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
especially if he wasn't
“making a few million dollars for it”
by disinferno06 on Apr 14, 2011 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions
He won't fight Mayhem at 185.
Or at all, unless his boys are with him…
Please, please PLEASE
let Diaz fight Anderson Silva, it would be hilarious.
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by dgonz on Apr 14, 2011 5:01 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
It sounds dumb
But is there a better boxer and BJJ player out there for him to fight?
BJ Penn?
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I just think it sounds dumb because it is dumb.
Not only would be get embarrassed but after the whole Mayhem debacle he’s going to go up to MW and fight Silva?
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by dgonz on Apr 14, 2011 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
...
Diaz vs PAUL HARRIS!
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by Ryan Tical on Apr 14, 2011 5:08 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Why would he get embarrassed?
Diaz has shown time and time again that he is one of the best strikers in this sport.
It does make him look bad with the refusal to fight Mayhem at 185.
people are getting drunk off the kool aid
diaz is a frustrating style of striker, but best, or even one of?
c’mon
scotchyscotchscotch
Jonny Bench called.
by Sterling Archer on Apr 14, 2011 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Really?
Name the better ones at WW. Daley was touted as one of the best in his class and Diaz tooled him.
i wrote the kool aid comment then ate dinner… apparently shit hit the fan after. now let me elaborate. i responded to you asking why diaz would get embarrassed, which was a question you asked as to why he would get embarrassed by anderson silva. ive read this whole branch off my question and lets get this clear…. everyone has valid arguments for their line of logic. however, what im saying is nick diaz, in no way, shape, form, or dimension can beat anderson silva. that was my point… everyone needs to chill with the kool aid. he beat paul daley, who is an accomplished fighter considering his one mastered weapon is a left hook. every other facet of his mma ranges from novice to well skilled, but nothing else is ‘mastered’. anderson silva is in a different league of striking. diaz is frustrating, anderson is a jedi.
debate diaz vs mayham, penn, gsp, condit, hardy….. the list goes on. debate him vs fitch, alves or bisping…..
but do not debate him vs anderson silva. period.
Jonny Bench called.
by Sterling Archer on Apr 14, 2011 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
if we're talking about people who are better pure strikers
GSP, Penn, Alves, Rumble Johnson, Kampmann, Hardy, and now we can include Marquardt. And before it’s mentioned, Kampmann may not have phenomenal knockout power, but his striking is crisp and technical.
by disinferno06 on Apr 14, 2011 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions
There are the so called "Best strikers in the sport"
and then there’s Anderson Silva
Silve > “Best strikers in the sport”
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by dgonz on Apr 14, 2011 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I would say that Diaz and Belfort would be the two most dangerous strikers Silva has faced in the UFC…
The fight makes no sense rankings-wise
but the style match up is epic.
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Diaz has shown time and time again that his iron jaw covers up all hisTechnical boxing flaws. Diaz has good boxing not great but one hell of a chin and that helps greatly in any prize fight be it Boxing,k1 or MMA cover up your flaws and areas of weakness
When it comes to Nick diaz my opinion of his boxing especially his defence is this His foot work in average,, he has no head movement at all when on the outside or inside, his use of angles is good on the outsie and using them to get inside. But his biggest problem thiat I see is ounce he collapses the pocket his combination of head movement & bobbing and weaving is no where to be found which is turn gets him involved into these usless fire fights where he counts on his iron chin way to much and takes to many unnecessary shots and damage. His Forearm Defense is just like any other MMA fighters nothing special.I don’ know I just think his boxing for MMA is good very much above average but his boxing for well boxing would be terrable maybe average at the best.
Just look at someone like Giorgio Petrosyan his def boxing is outstanding and he still is not boxing. Could you imagine Diaz fighting Giorgio Petrosyan becasue I can’t it would be a one sidded beating in my opinion buy Petrosyan if they had a boxing match.
Iron Chins don’t work against Anderson Silva. Ask Leben and Henderson, owners of two of the greatest chins in the sport. How about Forrest Griffin who handled everything Shogun and Rampage had and couldn’t last 3 min w/ the Spider.
seriously
I see no way diaz’s beard, as impressive as it is, can take silva’s hard, accurate shots.
silva is just on a different level (ya know, with the 8 consecutive title defenses and all that fun stuff.
Diaz is great
I’m a Diaz fan. No way on the planet should he be fighting Anderson Silva. Size alone makes it a bad matchup. And a volume puncher vs the best counterstriker in the game is not a winning matchup either. Look at any of the pictures of Diaz mid combo, with one hand punching and the other down by his waist. Then imagine Anderson Silva across from him. It’s a disaster waiting to happen.
I consider myself a softcore fan.
Diaz is great
I’m a Diaz fan. No way on the planet should he be fighting Anderson Silva. Size alone makes it a bad matchup. And a volume puncher vs the best counterstriker in the game is not a winning matchup either. Look at any of the pictures of Diaz mid combo, with one hand punching and the other down by his waist. Then imagine Anderson Silva across from him. It’s a disaster waiting to happen.
I consider myself a softcore fan.
There’s probably not a more exciting fight right now that Diaz vs Silva actually. Diaz coming forward style , and great chin, plus recuparitive abilities not to mention Diaz length and cardio, going against Silva would make for a very interesting fight.
Hell why not. I think any fan would prefer Diaz Silva over Silva Okami. Entertainment wise being the highest priority of course…
by p123 on Apr 14, 2011 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The contract is awaiting Vargas’s signature, but Gracie says that unless Dana White offers Diaz a fight with Anderson Silva, Nick’s next fight will definitely be in boxing.
wat
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by alicks on Apr 14, 2011 5:02 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Nick Diaz’s delusions of grandeur crack me up to no end.
In the clearing stands a boxer And a fighter by his trade And he carries the reminders Of ev'ry glove that layed him down Or cut him till he cried out In his anger and his shame "I am leaving, I am leaving" But the fighter still remains
by Brian Mayes on Apr 14, 2011 5:02 PM EDT reply actions 7 recs
No kidding!
He’s a good fighter, guys, but get a grip, y’know?
by Christopher Bradley on Apr 14, 2011 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions
All Diaz does is whine
If he doesn’t like the money he gets why is he doing it? He acts like he had no idea that fighting in MMA wasn’t going to make him million dollar paychecks. If he has such a big problem with the money now imagine how much he was getting payed when he started. He makes more money on one fight than most people make in a year and he’s acting like he can’t even afford a car, Get the F out of here. He just wants to cry about something. Daley dropped his ass flat on his face and could’ve won the fight and he thinks there is nobody that can challenge him. I call that a pretty decent challenge but what do I know?
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by 40 Cal. on Apr 14, 2011 5:02 PM EDT reply actions 11 recs
Scarface
Now the funeral is over, and all the tears are dried up…
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by Ryan Tical on Apr 14, 2011 5:38 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
C'mon- you know Daley didn't drop him...
Nick just lost his balance,,,
by John Danaher's Hair on Apr 14, 2011 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Wait a darn tootin minute
Diaz won’t fight mayhem but he wants a fight with the spider???
Obvious troll is obvious, Nick just wants in the UFC
Silva would smash him into a thousand bits, he has a better shot vs GSP
by AndrewBlakesley on Apr 14, 2011 5:02 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I really like Diaz but....
Fernando Vargas will walk all over him in a boxinng ring. I hope this is just posturing by him to get a big name fight with a UFC star!
I disagree.
Vargas would get tooled by Diaz.
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by Ryan Tical on Apr 14, 2011 5:06 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Don’t what ever your smoking let me have some. Vargas is past his prime but Diaz will not be able to compete with Vargas. Diaz boxing is horrible in the boxing world. In MMA it looks good because he’s boxing against guys he can’t box. Vargas is going to embarrass this kid.
You put too much faith in that never-has-been.
Diaz’s cardio, punch output and will-not-quit attitude would put Vargas into submission. No Jiu-Jitsu needed.
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by Ryan Tical on Apr 14, 2011 5:10 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Diaz has been dropped by nearly EVERY striker he has faced. And the majority of those guys don’t know how to throw a punch. Most mma guys besides Silva, Penn throw wild haymakers and hooks. Vargas throws with technique that will put Diaz on his ass for good.
Sig bet.
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by Ryan Tical on Apr 14, 2011 5:16 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
And GSP could go and beat Marcelo Garcia tommrow at BJJ ok, this thinking just becasue Diaz has decent stand up /boxing in MMA that it would be goos in boxing just makes me laugh. His iron chim covers up 99.9% of his flaws which are still many. He beats Paul Daley a Thai brawler who has power but not many boxing skills and now all of a sudden he can school a life long boxer in Fernando Vargas, come on please I guess Michael Jordan could play baseball to.
He doesn't even have an iron chin,
he does have great recovery and toughness, but the guy has been stunned & knocked down numerous times in his last few fights (against heavy punchers, admittedly). Gomi, Zaromskis, and Daley all rocked/ dropped him.
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by ElliotMatheny on Apr 15, 2011 5:01 AM EDT up reply actions
he also has outstadning recovery time and heart. He does have a Iron chin Diaz gets hit with shots that would put others out and just keeps walking foward the shots that drop him 9/10 would make other fighters brain dead. Bolth the recovery time/heart & the Iron chin are outstanding attributes to have that any fighter would want but its not something you should count on and sooner or later in your career it will just go away . It’s just like the red life line in a fighting game the more your chin takes damamge the less life it has. Look at almost any prize fighter over there career who has counted on a iron jaw and heart sooner or later as they get older and age and take damage that chin goes away also.
His chin is sturdy,
but not on the same level as a prime Mark Hunt. I don’t even think it’s as good as Hendo or Rampage’s chin. But he is an unbelievably tough sonuvabitch, and can definitely take it as good as he can give it.
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by ElliotMatheny on Apr 16, 2011 3:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Vargas was more than a “never-has-been”
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 14, 2011 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions
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by Derek Suboticki on Apr 14, 2011 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions
He was a brawler more then anything who always put on very exciting fights with the top fighters from his weight devision at the time and went eather the distance with them or got KO’ed late no matter what he always gave fighters like Oscar and Mosley twice and Moyorga good fights and fought to win. lets not forget the Win over Winky Wright eather, it was a solid W agasint a good fighter at the time.
I don't think so dude
Vargas hasn’t fought in a while but Diaz will eat Vargas’s straight right all night. It’d be ugly.
Regardless, the fight’s worth watching just to see whatever fucked up hair-do Vargas comes out with.
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by Anthony Pace on Apr 14, 2011 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Nah don’t think so. Diaz boxing lacks a ton of technique. He makes multiple mistakes that he’s able to get away with because most mma guys can’t box. With Vargas he won’t be able to. I don’t care how past his prime Vargas is. Vargas will be warmed up for Diaz anyway since he has a fight coming up.
His looping puches are easy to counter and/or slip. He doesn’t throw with alot of power. He gets hit alot. A semi competent boxer would murderdeathkill Nick. This is why he’s fighting Fernando Vargas.
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by The Lethal Haze on Apr 14, 2011 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The real question is
Is Vargas competent enough to capitalize on those mistakes? Diaz isn’t Yory Boy Campas.
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by Ryan Tical on Apr 14, 2011 5:22 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
What weight is the bought going to be fought at? Vargas has a horrible track record with cutting weight and gassing out. (cue the vargas-after-mosley-pic)
My guess is that Vargas has to weigh in at some absurdly low weight, makes it (or not) and loses the fight on the scales at the weigh ins, so to speak.
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by The Lethal Haze on Apr 14, 2011 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions
If Vargas loses
Let the excuses begin.
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by Ryan Tical on Apr 14, 2011 5:40 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
If?
Those will be legitimate excuses… He’s shot, he was forced to cut an absurd amount of weight, he fought the creme de la creme middleweights when he was in his mid twenties and got battered by nearly all of them.
This is all true. And a cautionary tale of why prospects are brought along slowly in boxing and not thrown to the sharks immediately. So they don’t turn into Vargas.
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by The Lethal Haze on Apr 14, 2011 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree with all of that.
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by Ryan Tical on Apr 14, 2011 5:57 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Vargas today? Hell no…
Vargas in his prime? Who knows? Are we talking Vargas getting into stand up battles in MMA, or are we talking about MMA strikers boxing with a prime Vargas.
Big difference there…
we are talking about a boxing match
And i’m not saying vargas gets up off the couch and beats everyone that day. Obviously with a training camp and a decent level of fitness.
Without trying to sound condescending to anybody, I don’t think a lot of people realize the disparity between the striking of boxers and the striking of even the best MMA guys. I also think people underestimate how good some of these guys opponents make them look.
I would be willing to bet that even really good amateur boxers (olympic, golden gloves, kings cup level) would school most of the better strikers in MMA.
K-1 > Boxing
and seeing how an MMA striker holds the K-1 Belt, it appears that he is considered the best striker on the planet. The disparity is not as large as you think.
Boxing is highly overrated. If you were talking Kickboxing/MT I would be right with you, but high level boxers would have a tough time against low level MT/Kickboxing guys…
There isn’t a K-1 champion in the world I’d pick in a straight boxing match against a boxing champion the same weight.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 14, 2011 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Of course not. But why the hell would we use rules that limit striking even more?
Put Kitskchko vs Overeem in K-1. I guarentee Overeem is the favorite.
Some may say hey it’s not fair you are using K-1 rules and not boxing rules, but boxing rules limit striking, moreso than K-1, and we are trying to find the best striker, not boxer…
Right, but the discussion was boxing. I guess I misunderstood your point.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 15, 2011 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Bullshit.
Vargas is a light Middleweight, which is 154. I would take Barbosa, Njokuani, and Patricky Freire all day long in a straight striking match over any top boxer at 154.
Not to mention that the K-1 max guys are all at that weight (70 kg = 154 lbs). Petrosyan, Buakaw, Souwer, and Zambidis would all fucking annihilate top boxers in a straight striking match.
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by ElliotMatheny on Apr 15, 2011 5:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Nick's power is deceptive
I generally agree with you, about how hard it would be for that style to be successful in a boxing ring, but the myth of Nick having no power has been pretty well blasted.
I think he’s got another problem in boxing in that the guys he would conceivably be fighting are fucking enormous. MWs and Super MWs are some big, hard hitting dudes in boxing, and that’s right in Nick’s sweet spot.
Tatum: I think he's a good man. I like him. I got nothing against him, but I'm definitely gonna make orphans of his children.
by Dave Strummer on Apr 14, 2011 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Not 5oz gloves… I don’t think Diaz’s power translates into boxing…
by Danthemmaman on Apr 14, 2011 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Nick is a pressure fighter. I think the fact that he doesn’t let up is why he gets KOs.
It didn’t look like any of the shots Diaz landed in the Cyborg fight would have KO’d Cyborg. But when Cyborg clinched and went for the trip it looked to me like he was trying to get some relief from the punishment he took on the feet. So yeah, I guess I would revise my statement to Diaz doesn’t hit hard… for a boxer.
And FTR, I think if Diaz fights Vargas Diaz wins via TKO… but more having to do with Vargas’ gas tank than Diaz’ power. Against a competent boxer, with a semi decent chin? Diaz would either get horribly outboxed, or the boxer would walk him down and KO him in short order. There’s a reason Diaz is in the world’s second tier MMA promotion and calling out Fernando Vargas as opposed to making millions headlining boxing cards.
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by The Lethal Haze on Apr 14, 2011 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Nick seems to have added some power to his game. He wobbled Daley with a right hand to the jaw- not a body shot as was suspected.
by John Danaher's Hair on Apr 14, 2011 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions
its all purely speculation
If he was boxing, Nick would be standing, punching and defending a lot differently than he does in MMA. For a lot of reasons.
Another thing, if his chin can hold up with 4 ounce gloves imagine how how good it is with 10.
I like his chance against Vargas. He’s got the range, the chin and the cardio. In 10 rounds I see Diaz out working him.
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Hey Monte-
Did you catch Diaz’ knockout punch that the Primetime camera’s caught? A right that deflected Daley’s head right before they disengaged and Dlaey got all wobbly legged. Check out Part 2 of the Primetime video in an earlier post. The punch happens at 5:59 in the clip…
by John Danaher's Hair on Apr 14, 2011 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Not yet
though I don’t like to let facts get in the way of a good argument.
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by Dave Strummer on Apr 15, 2011 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Also, a fundamental lack of defense. He relies on his chin a lot too….
by mthom on Apr 14, 2011 6:01 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Diaz's biggest mistake..
Not realizing that he really isn’t that good of a boxer to begin with. Thinking you’re a god of boxing because you can outbox MMA fighters, then trying to fight a seasoned boxer is a good recipe for having to wake up for a second time that day come the fight.
by MataLeao on Apr 14, 2011 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
it may be based off of how he does against the boxers who he spars with...
rather than his MMA fights
by John Danaher's Hair on Apr 14, 2011 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Are you agreeing with me?
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by Anthony Pace on Apr 14, 2011 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Vargas fighting Diaz
Would be a step up, not a step down.
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by Ryan Tical on Apr 14, 2011 5:15 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
It hurts my brain to agree with someone who is still a Mayweather fan
But yeah, Vargas would get drubbed in a boxing match with Nick Diaz at this point in his life, as sad as that is.
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by The Lethal Haze on Apr 14, 2011 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't hate.
I don’t agree with everything Mayweather does. Unlike some fans, I ridicule him as much as his haters. I am, and will alwayd be, a fan. The dude has some of the best technique the sport has ever witness. Bar none.
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by Ryan Tical on Apr 14, 2011 5:20 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
He does
And he’s a beautiful technician.
He’s just more concerned with that “0” of his than his legacy. And in my opinion he wants nothing to do with Pacquiao (or Martinez… who were both on your Mayweather “hitlist” a while back).
I can’t be a fan to that.
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by The Lethal Haze on Apr 14, 2011 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s just hard for me to criticize Floyd’s record when Manny decides he wants to feast on dudes who Money has already embarrased. Is he ducking Pacquiao? Probably, but still Mayweather has been some top fighters of the past decade.
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by Anthony Pace on Apr 14, 2011 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions
You play matchmaker then
Who exactly is Pacquiao supposed to fight?
And Pacquiao will finish Mosely.
And Floyd ducked Margs for years.
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by The Lethal Haze on Apr 14, 2011 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions
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Pacquiao has the fans and media on his side, whoever he fights the opponent doesn’t matter. Just seeing Pacquiao fight is the goal. However to answer your question:
Pac says his natural weight his 140. JM Marquez @ 140, Amir Khan or Tim Bradley.
If 147, Andre Berto, Floyd Mayweather, Saul.Alvarez.
If 154, Paul Williams or Sergio Martinez.
And Mayweather ducking Marg is like Mosley ducking Mayweather — both men were seeking bigger paydays which ended with them fighting De La Hoya.
Plus Mayweather wanted a guranteed contract of ten million for Cotto, Marg and then a fight with De La Hoya. Mayweather felt Marg was high risk/low reward, Arum would have ruined Mayweather’s career — fighting deadly fighters for pennies on the dollar. You think.Mayweather would have anywhere near the cash he does now if he was still with Top Rank?
And for the icing on the cake — Arum has said that Mayweather is/was the greatest Boxer since Ali… obvious b/s, but take it how you want.
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by Ryan Tical on Apr 14, 2011 5:51 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
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Andre Berto- overpriced undefeated no name who can’t draw flies even in his hometown.
Sual Alvarez- Golden boy fighter, no name in the states but a megastar Mexico.
140- Tim Bradley and Amir Khan look like they are about set up a fight after Khan beats Mclouskey on Sat.
Also Tim, can’t draw flies either and is far too focused on fighting Pac, Clear out your division first buddy.
JMM just signed a extension with Golden Boy, pretty much killing any chance of him fighting pac.
As for 15, I could see him fighting Paul or Martinez. Maybe Sergio first.
I can't blame Mayweather for that.
Leonard wanted nothing to do with Aaron Pryor, Mosley wanted nothing to do with Mayweather in ’99 because he was hunting a big payday. Joe Calzaghe ducked plenty of fighters: Froch, Johnson, Lucas – to name a few.
Pacquiao has ducked his share of fighters aswell. It’s not fair to okay one fighter for his career choices but not the other — assuming you are a Pacquiao fan.
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by Ryan Tical on Apr 14, 2011 5:31 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Diaz is a good boxer. Vargas is a professional boxer!!!
Remember when you thought the fastest guy in your school was really fast? Did he ever win state? If he did, did he win nationals? If he did, did he go to the Olympics? See what I’m sayin?
by Fedornuthugger on Apr 14, 2011 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions
No, Tyron Woodley or Mayhem fight?
I guess Tyron is still too green and Mayhem is high risk/low reward.
Diaz vs Vargas would be a sick match. Diaz by TKO in the late rounds..
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by Ryan Tical on Apr 14, 2011 5:04 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Why Anderson & not GSP?
Oh wait, Diaz can’t wrestle wort a shit, nevermind, I forgot.
unless Dana White offers Diaz a fight with Anderson Silva
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by RJshock 305 on Apr 14, 2011 5:10 PM EDT reply actions 9 recs
Diaz's management is a piece of crap. Times like having managers such as Ed Soares are taken for granted.
May be Diaz shouldn’t have signed that fight contract extension back a few months ago with Strikeforce then he could have been a free agent this year sooner and signed with the UFC and make more money or pursue his boxing career which will fail like KJ Noons.
if he wants to have his ass handed to him in a boxing ring
he should at least fight mayorga. the build up to that fight would be bonkers.
Mayorga would lose via gassing. He smokes and drinks (often in the ring post fight). He never had a boxer’s lifestyle. Diaz runs triatholons for fun. It wouldn’t be competetive, much less Mayorga coming out with the W.
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by The Lethal Haze on Apr 14, 2011 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Mobile rec for truth.
Mayorga has never really been anything special. His only big wins came from the late, and great, Vernon Forrest.
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by Ryan Tical on Apr 14, 2011 5:25 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Lets not disparage the man
He’s a brawler, and only lost to creme de la creme boxers. That speaks highly to his timing, power, and athleticism… not sure how much of those gifts is still around though.
I would LOVE to see Mayorga vs Jeremy Stephens. FIREWORKS FOR 4 MINUTES TOPS and then one of the two unconscious on the floor. KO of the night awarded to the victor. Possibly FOTN for the pair. Never mind the pre fight shit talk.
If any boxers have a shot in MMA, imo, its the brawlers.
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by The Lethal Haze on Apr 14, 2011 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions
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No.
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by Ryan Tical on Apr 14, 2011 5:54 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
ok outside the beginning of his career
He won a legit belt and defended it multiple times. He beat vernon forrest twice, lost to Cory Spinks, Trinidad, DLH (ok he never beat anyone, but I think he beat Floyd) Mosely, and Miguel Cotto. Mayorga is a damn fine brawler.
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by The Lethal Haze on Apr 14, 2011 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t know about that man. Jeremy Stephens is very very tough, and skilled. A prime Vargas sure, but the Vargas of today, in MMA against Stephens in a stand up battle? I don’t know man. Stephens is no joke..
Mayorga went 12 rounds with Cotto
last month.
Stephens wouldn’t last one minute.
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Oh my bad. Yea but really, Mayorga is just a brawler. It’s not like he’s some super techinical boxer, his technique is quite poor actually. He just happens to be like a immensely great brawler.
Obviously Mayorga would be the favorite, but brawling is Stephens forte, and he is quite effective with it, even in a sport in which people can wrestle you…
I would actually like to see that. Stephens is one tough bastard…
Stephens has never been hit half as hard
as Mayorga would hit him.
I honestly doubt he could take more than a few punches. Mayorga is insane and hits like a truck, compared to other world champion boxers.
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Mayorga totally outboxed a boxer in Vernon Forrest…
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 14, 2011 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions
the man has KOed a horse thar kicked him
Mayorga by soul theft Rd.1
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by the-gentle-way on Apr 14, 2011 7:07 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
the story goes a horse kicked Mayorga. Mayorga then punched the horse in the head and KOed it.
It can’t be verified, but mayorga said it. I believe it due to the fact he hits like a truck.
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Duran was claiming to have KO’ed a horse way before Mayorga, I kind of think that was a bit of a stolen story.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 15, 2011 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions
i believe duran too.
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by the-gentle-way on Apr 15, 2011 1:29 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Pretty sure Conan KO'd a camel.
But I might be wrong. Mongo definitely dropped a horse, though.
BOOSH
What a bullshit artist
He whines and complains that he can’t move up to fight Mayhem at Middleweight but he throws a hissy fit if he doesn’t get a fight with The Spider?
shrugs
by devious1 on Apr 14, 2011 5:17 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
It was a lot easier to talk shit about GSP before Diaz had a chance of having someone listen and set up the fight. ;) Before UFC bought SF, Diaz was, like, “GSP’s a pussy” and now he’s wishing for a fight that will never, ever happen.
Bok bok.
by Christopher Bradley on Apr 14, 2011 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Boo fucking hoo.
Nick just recently signed a new contract with Strikeforce, so the only person he has to blame for being “underpaid” is his self. And besides, in the UFC they wouldn’t keep wrestlers away from him and he’d be pulling in way less cash than he does now with Strikeforce.
who is ranked above him in strikeforce?
nobody, as far as I can tell.
Smells like a negotiating tactic. I know he just re-upped, but wasn’t it just for 4? If so, at his current workrate he could be ready for a new contract by year’s end.
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by some schmuck in texas on Apr 14, 2011 5:21 PM EDT reply actions
good point man.
Has he fought any decent wrestlers since he one the title?
Jules: Normally, both your asses would be dead as fucking fried chicken, but you happen to pull this shit while I'm in a transitional period so I don't wanna kill you, I wanna help you. But I can't give you this case, it don't belong to me. Besides, I've already been through too much shit this morning over this case to hand it over to your dumb ass.
nope
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by some schmuck in texas on Apr 14, 2011 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Well there we go.
No wonder dude has been killing people. They have only been feeding him strikers. You put Diego in their and he would win by UD because he would get the takedown.
Jules: Normally, both your asses would be dead as fucking fried chicken, but you happen to pull this shit while I'm in a transitional period so I don't wanna kill you, I wanna help you. But I can't give you this case, it don't belong to me. Besides, I've already been through too much shit this morning over this case to hand it over to your dumb ass.
He'll be back
Either because he finds out he’s not good enough or because he realizes that not everybody in boxing makes millions of dollars on every fight.
Before everyone gets worked up, it seems to me to obviously be a negotiating ploy. One done with the usual urbane 209 touch. Diaz was noticeable upset that Zuffa bought Strikeforce, preventing him from using the two companies against each other to up the cost of his services, which he seems to think is very valuable. While he has expressed interest in boxing for some time I think he also saying “hey, you better make it worthwhile because I have options.”
by John Nash on Apr 14, 2011 5:26 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
recced because I said it first
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by some schmuck in texas on Apr 14, 2011 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions
you got the recs, though
and we know how much that’s worth.
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by some schmuck in texas on Apr 14, 2011 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Pretty much
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by Anthony Pace on Apr 14, 2011 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Yep. Nick clearly enjoys being a big fish in a small pond.
Now that his bargaining chip is gone, he now realizes he has to eventually fight the UFC guys, and so I guess he feels he should be properly compensated for coming out of his comfort zone. Where, most likely, he will lose.
The problem is that it isn’t a very good negotiating ploy here. Sure Strikeforce can ill afford to lose Diaz but in the end it’s a pretty hollow threat. Diaz isn’t going to make more money in boxing, heck he may not be able to have a career at all in boxing. Besides it’s not going to get him out of his Strikeforce contract and Dana White isn’t one to just let something like a contract obligation slide.
In MMA this year Nick has already fought twice, he made $150,000 for the cyborg fight and $175,000 for the Daley fight (should we assume that his next Strikeforce fight gets him a guaranteed $200k?). So in 2011 Nick has already earned $325k not counting sponsorship money. Even if you cut that in half for expenses Nick would still be sitting in the top five %ile for gross household income in the US and it’s only April. Yea he’s not a millionaire but he should be living pretty darn well off that, if he isn’t then something else is wrong here. Moving to boxing isn’t going to change his earning issue at this point much at all.
I don't think Diaz thinks anything
I think he’s just dancing to Cesar Gracie’s tune. Other than that, you have an interesting point.
by Christopher Bradley on Apr 14, 2011 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Diaz vs Anderson has a chance to be the greatest taunting dual in combat sports history.
by Dpez71 on Apr 14, 2011 5:30 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
...for about 2 minutes
Tatum: I think he's a good man. I like him. I got nothing against him, but I'm definitely gonna make orphans of his children.
by Dave Strummer on Apr 14, 2011 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions
motherfucking this
Jonny Bench called.
by Sterling Archer on Apr 14, 2011 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
This is why I can't bring myself to like him.
Great fighter. Personally: Full. Of. Shit.
He signed the Strikeforce contract knowing full well he was the kingpin in his division. He was banking on building his image and hopefully revenue, and now that he may actually have to fight the guys he’s been saying he’s better than (GSP, etc.), he’s running to boxing since his aura will literally be destroyed if he fights an average level UFC wrestler.
He and everyone else knows that a fight with Silva won’t happen for years, if ever. It’s an excuse to make it out the door. Nick cries about being underpaid just as Nate whines about being LnP’d. If you know that’s a weakness, work on it. Drill takedown defense. Quit spending all your money on pot and hire an elite wrestling coach. As for not being paid enough, don’t renew the damn contract and save us all the “poor me” garbage. This is getting ridiculous.
by vile(nt)green on Apr 14, 2011 5:32 PM EDT reply actions 24 recs
I love watching Nick fight in MMA, but if he can make more money in boxing and will be happier, then he should pursue it.
That said, the grass ain’t always greener on the other side Nick.
he Diaz bros. are always in search of greener grass...
pun in-fuckin-tended.
by Dr.WavvyCrockett on Apr 14, 2011 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Does anybody know....
The last time vargas fought?
I am very uninterested in watch Decent boxer nick Diaz fight against old, fat, washed up Vargas who hasn’t boxed in forever.
by TrueTillDeath on Apr 14, 2011 5:44 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
November of '07 (but he does have a fight scheduled this weekend I guess)
Which makes this whole thing fucking idiotic honestly and pointless. I mean, there’s NO money in that fight happening. If Diaz wins it’s pointless against a fat, old and rusty Vargas. If Vargas wins…yuck.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 14, 2011 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd
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by Derek Suboticki on Apr 14, 2011 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions
wtf Nick?
come on….
If you wanna throw down in fisticuffs, fine! I've got Jack Johnson and Tom O'Leary waitin' for ya...right here!
First off...
LOL @ “unless Dana White offers Diaz a fight with Anderson Silva”
He beats a few lower tier guys and all of a sudden he wants Silva? LO FUCKING L. beat a few bums and middle level guys at WW, fight p4p #1 fighter and top MW.
Also, more LOL at Diaz thinking he’d do well in boxing.
AND MORE LOLs @ Diaz threatening to leave once Woodley is in line to fight him. Or Miller. Or ANYONE in the top of the UFC’s WW division. Diaz is scurred of being in the UFC again because he’ll be exposed as being big fish in a small pond.
I want him to fight Silva badly.
Those are two martial artists whose skills I wanna see displayed together. Most exciting fight possible for Silva below 205. If Diaz is willing to step up to the plate GSP has hesitated to approach, then let him.
Jab, jab, towards, short, fierce.
lol.
I love how you make it seem like Diaz has more courage than GSP.
Diaz just has everything to gain and nothing to lose in that fight.
Whereas GSP has everything to lose and… I’m not sure what to gain beyond some intangible “legacy.”
I'm a massive GSP nuthugger
He’s stated what he’d have to do, but hasn’t committed to it yet, if he ever will. I would like this fight as a consolation prize. I’m cool with GSP staying at 170 for as long as he wants.
You see courage where I stated actions – but this is BE, so I can totally understand :)
Jab, jab, towards, short, fierce.
the only fighters left for diaz to fight are wrestlers
woodleys the only guy left in SF, i think diaz smokes him but its not a big money fight and its not a good matchup
anyway i’d watch him box
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Hmmm not sure.
I think Woodley wrestle fucks him for a UD.
Jules: Normally, both your asses would be dead as fucking fried chicken, but you happen to pull this shit while I'm in a transitional period so I don't wanna kill you, I wanna help you. But I can't give you this case, it don't belong to me. Besides, I've already been through too much shit this morning over this case to hand it over to your dumb ass.
when tarec saffeidine pushes you to your limit
i think nick diaz beats the hell outta you
diaz is just on another level
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Saffiedine
has MUCH MUCH better wrestling than Diaz. Nick would not stop the takedown, and would have to catch him with a sub.
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by ElliotMatheny on Apr 15, 2011 5:09 AM EDT up reply actions
He’d get submitted inside of two rounds.
by Horselover Fat on Apr 15, 2011 4:18 AM EDT up reply actions
definite marketing ploy
but he’s going about it all wrong…and he signed a contract. SF is great for active fighters & guys wanting to stay active in other combat sports. But the UFC doesn’t play that game. Diaz has a penchant for burning bridges the f*ck down, and Cesar should be there to put a muzzle on Diaz, not burn his fighter out.
If he wants to box while still a SF fighter fine, but he’ll make a shit ton more $$ in the UFC if he just walks the line. The sponsors will come but only if he stops this me against the world stuff.
Who's the only one here who knows illegal ninja moves from the government?
"That dude was legit, ponytails are a sign of nobility." TheFilt™
What is to stop Diaz from joining the UFC right now?
I know he has a Strikeforce contract, but can’t they just carry the same terms over and have him fight in the UFC? It makes too much sense because he has zero intriguing fights left in SF and about a million in the UFC.
also
I think the Silva name drop might be due to the Scrap Pack, his thinking is that Shields will beat GSP and he won’t fight Shields for any reason, so 185 will be his home in the UFC…
just my guess
Who's the only one here who knows illegal ninja moves from the government?
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Diaz has been paid $325k this year so far!
….according to the numbers I’ve read on here at least.
He always says that he has a manager and he doesn’t know about his contract, so maybe something is up with that.
Seems strange that he is still constantly talking about his earnings. And also, why has no one asked him about that when he brings it up? Ariel Helwani needs to ask him about this.
Love me some Nick Diaz but this is nothing. As Brent stated, him making big boxing money is not realistic and his calling out of Silva is nothing more than calling out a fight that won’t happen. If he truly wanted a slam dunk payday, call out GSP. Silva is not at the same level draw wise and Nick and his camp know this. This is such a half court shot on his part trying to salvage some of his negotiating power that was lost when he re-upped his deal.
Best case scenario is GSP walks over Sheilds and Diaz trys to “avenge” his loss.
So, he’s not willing to fight Miller at 85 but he’ll fight Anderson? ok.
by John Danaher's Hair on Apr 14, 2011 6:15 PM EDT reply actions
pretty sure most fighters
would say the same
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by ODBasyoucansee on Apr 14, 2011 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions
No one else thought it was weird...
that a WW wants a fight with Silva,..
But didn’t say he wants GSP? Someone in his own division? Someone who is ranked above him?
I guess the 209 is afraid of wrestlers…
Or maybe Nick just think Shields will win and so will not want to fight him.
by Unabomberman on Apr 14, 2011 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Just about.
“I’m trying to fight Jon Fitch, I’m trying to fight Silva, I’m trying to fight K.J. Noons, I’m trying to fight everybody. I’m trying to fight Takanori Gomi, Sakurai, I’m trying to (expletive) everybody up. (Expletive) this (expletive). This is (expletive) gangster (expletive) warfare. I don’t give a (expletive). You know what I mean?”-Nick Diaz
Learn JiuJitsu, it's fun.
Diaz CALLED GSP out all the time...
before Zuffa bought SF, and he knew there was no way it could happen. Since Zuffa bought SF, and this fight has potentially become a reality, Diaz has backed off and not called out GSP by name. He knows that Anderson Silva isn’t going to happen, he wouldn’t even fight Mayhem at 185.
I guess the 209 is afraid of wrestlers…
that’s a pretty weak statement…the 209 is full of wrestlers…Shields & Melendez are in his camp. Kos is in Fresno, oh wait I see you’re just trolling & I took the bait
Who's the only one here who knows illegal ninja moves from the government?
"That dude was legit, ponytails are a sign of nobility." TheFilt™
Fresno is the 559 mate
"What do you know about my vision? My vision will turn your world upside down, tear asunder your illusions and send the sanctuary of your own ignorance crashing down around you. Now ask yourself: Are you really ready to see that vision?"
-Huey Freeman
stockton & fresno aren't that far away
it all used to be 209, and you’re side stepping the issue that you are completely wrong
Who's the only one here who knows illegal ninja moves from the government?
"That dude was legit, ponytails are a sign of nobility." TheFilt™
correction
not dgonz, but dbcd
but using mate is not de Valle, homie
Who's the only one here who knows illegal ninja moves from the government?
"That dude was legit, ponytails are a sign of nobility." TheFilt™
They're like 2 hours apart. But you're right. I remember hearing that Fresno used to be 209
I’m not too far from Fresno so I had to jump at the chance to say something about a place I’m actually familiar with haha.
And as for mate….I watched Green Street Hooligans again the other day and it’s been on my brain (fucking awesome movie if you haven’t seen it) so apologies lol
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-Huey Freeman
no worries
you’re absolutely right, I slipped back to the 1990s on that one…really dating myself. I still sometimes scratch my head when friends call with the 559 area code.
I’ll have to check that movie out, thanks!
Who's the only one here who knows illegal ninja moves from the government?
"That dude was legit, ponytails are a sign of nobility." TheFilt™
I thought it would be more likely that someone would bring up the fact that Kos isn’t really from Fresno originally.
not to pry, but are you north or south of Fresno? I’m originally from (near) Visalia…just wondering if you know the state of wrestling in the valley, it was pretty solid for a long time. Hopefully they’re not cutting any of the HS programs.
Who's the only one here who knows illegal ninja moves from the government?
"That dude was legit, ponytails are a sign of nobility." TheFilt™
Small world haha, born and raised in Porterville man where are you from?
I can’t speak for too many of the programs outside of good ole Poros, but the PHS and Monache wrestling teams are always pretty solid. Porterville High had several kids make it state this year, but their team is always good. I went to high school with former Bellator 145 Champ Joe Soto.
"What do you know about my vision? My vision will turn your world upside down, tear asunder your illusions and send the sanctuary of your own ignorance crashing down around you. Now ask yourself: Are you really ready to see that vision?"
-Huey Freeman
small world indeed
I wrestled for Exeter High. Monache & Porterville were in our league then (87-90) so I wrestled against them many times.
The amazing thing about CA wrestling is that they aren’t separated into divisions based on school population (like they do for all the other sports). Its straight up who’s best in the state at your weight, so its very tough to just make it to the state tourney. If you haven’t been to the state tournament, you should check it out, a lot of talented athletes. Funny thing, when I was in HS the tourney was in Stockton most years…I think its at Fresno Save Mart Center now.
Given the wrestling programs in the central Valley (like Fresno & Bakersfield), I would have thought a lot more wrestlers would head into the MMA realm…I guess only time will tell. Good luck man, don’t let the Poros heat drive you crazy this summer!
Who's the only one here who knows illegal ninja moves from the government?
"That dude was legit, ponytails are a sign of nobility." TheFilt™
Exeter? right on man. Had my ass kicked on the football field many a time by Exeter kids lol
You were graduating around the time I was born though haha
Yea seriously, I know of a couple local guys who are fighting at like tachi and eagle mountain locally but you’d think there would be way more given the wrestling talent.
For sure man, it was good to talk to a Valley guy!
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Put Sonnen in SF
let him fight Diaz. Winner gets Silva
This is only a ploy to get Zuffa to show him the money. He extends with SF three months ago and now he needs to leave? Yea, ok. He wants to be either in the UFC or have some names brought into Strikeforce. Dana White has a mancrush on Diaz and the kind of fighter he is, and now he has a vested interest in protecting one of his own organization’s champions from losing to a boxer. Diaz gets what he wants here. You all saw how they promoted Diaz on UFC.com.
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if he wanted to be in the UFC
why the hell did he sign a new contract?
Then and now situation
Now he can easily get into the UFC. Merger doesn’t happen, this probably doesn’t happen.
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by Urijah Bieber on Apr 14, 2011 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions
150k guarenteed sounds like a good reason to me
"I have smoked weed with alot of UFC champions" - Joe Rogan
"Você ta fudido. Se vai levar muita porrada, ta ligado?" - Anderson Silva
Anderson Silva?
Nick, you’re one of my favorite fighter buddy, but I have zero interest in that fight.
I think he’s just pushing his own cause, which is cool. It doesn’t seem like Zuffa wants to bring SF guys to the UFC because of the Showtime deal, probably afraid Showtime would call foul and diluting SF product. So hopefully UFC lets Alves, Kos or Fitch go to SF to fight Nick.
Your crazy man. What’s a more fun fight than Diaz vs Silva? Anyone who tries to take it Silva in the striking department and has solid skills = automatic win for me…
Diaz vs Antonio Silva? Yeah, that’s a fun fight if I ever saw one.
Boys becoming men...Men becoming wolves
Jussier "Formiga" da Silva vs Nick Diaz
Yeah man I am down
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by Urijah Bieber on Apr 14, 2011 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions
speaking of jussier
any news on flyweights in UFC/Strikeforce?
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"Você ta fudido. Se vai levar muita porrada, ta ligado?" - Anderson Silva
"in the works"
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by Urijah Bieber on Apr 14, 2011 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions
i only wanna 125lb fighters if they are wearing a sports bra.
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by the-gentle-way on Apr 14, 2011 7:14 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
i'd pay to see it
"I have smoked weed with alot of UFC champions" - Joe Rogan
"Você ta fudido. Se vai levar muita porrada, ta ligado?" - Anderson Silva
diaz vs penns my dream fight
"I have smoked weed with alot of UFC champions" - Joe Rogan
"Você ta fudido. Se vai levar muita porrada, ta ligado?" - Anderson Silva
Sheesh... talk about having a big head...
It’s not as if Diaz pulled a flawless victory in his last fight. Why doesn’t he call out top UFC WWs ? Oh yeah, righ, money…
MAN I CAN'T FIGHT MAYHEM OUT MIDDLEWEIGHT
But I’ll sure as shit fight Silva!! DERRRPPPP.
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Pretty much.
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by Derek Suboticki on Apr 14, 2011 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Well the guy wants more money, so he wants the biggest fight at middleweight he can get. I would like to see him fight Mayhem but Nick Diaz gonna do what Nick Diaz is gonna do and he talks shit about everyone and looks for money fights. The honda dude, you have to remember that he is driving a honda
You retired from kick boxing in 2006. If you had to do it all over again, would you have tried fighting in MMA?
Jean-Charles Skarbowsky: No.
This has probably already been said
But I would pay to watch Diaz fight Vargas
You retired from kick boxing in 2006. If you had to do it all over again, would you have tried fighting in MMA?
Jean-Charles Skarbowsky: No.
Before Diaz fights GSP he should beat the former Number 1 contender Kos.
Those two already hate each other, and Kos is a wrestler which will let us know that if he cant stuff TD form Kos then GSP will rape his shit.
Jules: Normally, both your asses would be dead as fucking fried chicken, but you happen to pull this shit while I'm in a transitional period so I don't wanna kill you, I wanna help you. But I can't give you this case, it don't belong to me. Besides, I've already been through too much shit this morning over this case to hand it over to your dumb ass.
I think Nick is gonna take a boxing match next because boxing is clearly his passion. He is a B.J.J. expert who refuses to utilize his bread and butter(unlike his brother and teammate jake). He prefers and enjoys the stand-up aspect of the fight game. I just hope he does get to box a credible opponent to see how good his stand-up really is. The talk of leaving mma altogether hasn’t really been stated by Nick or Ceaser. That notion was made-up by the mma media; taking a anger fuled rant(about money/lack of contenders/anger over the purchase of strikeforce) to our dramatic conclusion that he is set on leaving mma. He just is a crazy good boxer/mma striker trying to expand his fight game as his contract allows him.
If he was a boxer
he’d talk about how all the other pussy ass boxers won’t roll with him.
"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."
So Fucking True.
He annoys me so much with his case of the poor me’s!
Jules: Normally, both your asses would be dead as fucking fried chicken, but you happen to pull this shit while I'm in a transitional period so I don't wanna kill you, I wanna help you. But I can't give you this case, it don't belong to me. Besides, I've already been through too much shit this morning over this case to hand it over to your dumb ass.
Nick
You are the fourth best paid fighter in your weight class you should of resigned if you were worried abouta lack of quality opponents. Also apparently it’s actually Jeff Lacy who Nick could fight next
http://mmaweekly.com/strikeforce-champ-nick-diazs-next-fight-likely-to-be-pro-boxing
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This is fucking ridiculous
You can cry about Anderson just as soon as you fight Mayhem.
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by Derek Suboticki on Apr 14, 2011 7:15 PM EDT reply actions
http://unintelligentdefense.blogspot.com
by MattParker117 on Apr 14, 2011 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
If I had to pick between Diaz vs. Silva or Diaz vs. GSP, I'd take the former
You’d have to be a serious Diaz nuthugger or slightly mentally unstable to favor Diaz in either of those fights, but I’d rather watch Nick and Anderson go at it on the feet than see Georges take Nick down inside of 30 seconds and often thereafter. Think GSP vs.Hardy all over again.
Nick vs Silva on the feet would be interesting while it lasted and there’s alway the outside chance Nick gets him down and subs him. Anderson has a good ground game, but Nick could work him over given the chance.
Anyway, this is probably all just a negotiating tactic anyway.
I prefer watching the best fight the best
And Diaz, a top ten WW, fighting the #1 welterweight is what I would want to see. I don’t want to see a top 10 fighter in his weightclass avoiding people and not fighting people just because he has a weakness against wrestlers.
Diaz isn’t a top 20 MW so I don’t want to see it. If he wants to fight at MW… let the mofo fight at middleweight. Maybe, just maybe, starting with Mayhem
But I like watching the best of the best. Same reason I don’t watch college sports.
On Diaz/Silva the last time Anderson Silva faced one of MMA's better boxers this happened
Let’s do it!
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Diaz is one of the guys who actually probably COULD be successful in both
he should definitely try to land some high profile matches. Probably could make more money doing it.
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Good Vs. Bad
Good: I won’t have to see him again.
Bad: I won’t get to see him get KO’d.
I'd change my name to Mr. Carrano.
why wouldn't you want to see him again?
and you spelled Carano wrong.
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by Austin Martin on Apr 14, 2011 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Give him Vitor Belfort!
I’m not resting until I’m officially Anderson Silva status.- Jon "Bones" Jones
Vitor would crush Diaz.
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by ElliotMatheny on Apr 15, 2011 5:11 AM EDT up reply actions
So he'll fight Anderson Silva...
but he won’t fight Mayhem? lol
Does he expect Anderson to agree to cut to 179?
by TooLegitToQuit on Apr 14, 2011 8:35 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Since Diaz/Silva won't happen, I can get away with this:
Diaz’ only weakness is wrestlers. He would beat Silva.
BOOSH
HA!
I’m a huge Diaz fan, but I’d love to see him try to put his head in Andy’s chest and throw body shots. Rich Franklin can clue him in on how that night would end.
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by Austin Martin on Apr 14, 2011 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Just read the Diaz camp is looking at Sergio Martinez as a possible opponent!!! Some better tell Nick to lay off the Mary Jane. Might be asking for a fight with both Klitschko brothers at the same time next lol
by Psymantis on Apr 14, 2011 9:00 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I’m really pretty surprised that Cesar hasn’t shit canned this idea yet.
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by Derek Suboticki on Apr 14, 2011 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Too much weed...
Nick ultimately won’t transition well to boxing. But if he wants to get his ass kicked in the process, more power to him.
Has smoking seemed to curtail his career in the least yet?
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by Austin Martin on Apr 14, 2011 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions
besides the Pride officials pulling that bogus THC card on him
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by Austin Martin on Apr 14, 2011 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t consider it bogus – but that’s just an aside. The weed comment was just a cheap shot. But Nick makes himself an easy target where that’s concerned.
But I still question the thinking and rationale behind him and his camp considering a full-time move to boxing for him. His boxing’s crisp, but not that crisp IMO, and I have a hard time believing that he’ll really be able to get the big paydays he’s clamoring for in that sport.
Diaz just doesn't want to face Woodley
Doesn’t want to face anyone who actually wants to take it to the ground——Hieron, Miller now Woodley.
Not afraid to nitpick
That
is actually a valid criticism.
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by ElliotMatheny on Apr 15, 2011 5:11 AM EDT up reply actions
I can’t believe how overrated awesome Nick Diaz has become is
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by Austin Martin on Apr 14, 2011 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I can’t believe howoverratedawesomeoverrated Nick Diazhas becomeishas become
Fixed. And you’re welcome.
I can’t believehow overrated awesome overrated Nick Diaz has become is has becomeit’s not butter!
by Horselover Fat on Apr 15, 2011 4:28 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Career Suicide
Why would you want to piss off your new boss and not get paid more?Silva?! First try to pass Sanchez, Fitch, Kos. I believe it’s a ploy that will blow in their faces. Gracie is playing with fire.
So Daley hits Nick flush with two left hooks and he wants to fight Jeff Lacy? I think I’m having a vision…
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by Derek Suboticki on Apr 14, 2011 10:46 PM EDT reply actions
Jeff Lacy is way past the point where anyone thought too highly of him as a boxer (super protected to get a title, now fodder for shot ol’ Roy Jones) but I’d still pick him 90 out of 100 times they fought.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 15, 2011 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm sick Nick Diaz's whining
Bitches about how none of the top ranked UFC fighters want to fight him, but signs contract extension with Strikeforce insuring he can’t do a fight with any of them.
Complains about how he isn’t making money, less than a week after he got paid $100K+
cry me a river, you want a better car? spend a little less money on pot
Whynot??
With all the internet buzz, whynot just smoke a few bowls and talk some shit? See what all the fans say, and enjoy the hype? He must love the drama
by LosLurkos on Apr 14, 2011 11:46 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Nick, don't tease me!
Please leave MMA, you ignoramous ingrate. In case you didn’t noticed, outside of Stockton, the worst city in CA, nobody cares about you, Mr. I-just-made-$175K-but-I-can’t-afford-anything-but-a-beat-up-Honda. Your cavalier attitude towards fans and the media and your constant whining would be perfect for the boxing world.
:( Why?!
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by T.C. Engel on Apr 15, 2011 1:34 AM EDT reply actions 3 recs
Not to mention
(Even though this has prob already been mentioned multiple times – don’t feel like reading all 733 posts)… but Diaz was pretty close to being finished by Daley. Payout article is on point, as usual. Ceasar Gracie prob has this guy brainwashed. ‘’we signed on the dotted line..?" Who says that shpit? Now were looking for another guy?? Its like this is all Ceasar’s plan to get Zuffa to start throwing out offers and he’s telling nick act like he forgets the names of his past opponents. Its so uncomfortable watching an interview with him too. Funny as hell most of the time, but other times its cringe-inducing. Whatever. Great to watch fight. But I don’t see him beating GSP.
I guess no one can say he's scared to move up in weight anymore
I guess all that scared to fight Mayhem talk can be put to bed now that he’s calling out Anderson Silva….or maybe he’s calling out Anderson Silva cause he knows that fight would never be accepted by Zuffa or UFC.
I don’t see him beating Anderson but I’m thoroughly amused.
Just hope to god he doesn’t leave MMA altogether as he’s currently my favorite fighter to watch.
Who said he was scared to move up in weight?
Some people said he was scared to fight Mayhem not that he was scared of 185lbs. He’s not going to get a fight with Anderson Silva but him saying that makes the whole excuse of not wanting to move up to 185lbs (or even a catchweight) to fight Mayhem all the odder.
why would any champ want to fight Mayhem?
Is Mayhem even relevant besides the fact that some of you have seen a TV show that he had? I don’t even think he’s funny, he tries to hard. Is he as well known as some people on this site would suggest?
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by ODBasyoucansee on Apr 15, 2011 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
I couldn’t care less if they ever fought each other but Nick turning down Mayhem because 185lbs is too heavy but now challenging Anderson Silva at 185lbs should get people wondering. I mean it was never going to be a championship bout anyway so Diaz being a champion was irrelevant it was a grudge match that Diaz found an excuse not to take but now he’s tossed that excuse to challenge someone else at 185lbs.
He's a good fighter.
7-2 (1 NC) in the last 3 years.
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by ElliotMatheny on Apr 16, 2011 3:02 AM EDT up reply actions
As a Diaz fan
I am going to pretend I didn’t read this steaming pile of bull-nonsense
I consider myself a softcore fan.
I Love ...
the play on words …
NIck signed a contract!
* under breath *
“still needs a sig from the other guy”
* cough cough *
but Nick signed it dammit!
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