Martin Kampmann vs. John Howard Set for UFC on Versus 4
by Nick Thomas on Apr 13, 2011 3:28 PM EDT
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Two former contenders in the UFC welterweight division will be fighting to get back on the winning track when Martin Kampmann and John Howard meet at UFC on Versus 4 according to UFC.com. Both men are coming off two consecutive losses -- Kampmann to Diego Sanchez and Jake Shields, both by controversial decision and Howard to Thiago Alves and Jake Ellenberger by decision and TKO.
"Verbal agreements are in for a battle between two of the best strikers in the welterweight division as Doomsday takes on The Hitman" said Dana White.
Martin "Hitman" Kampmann (17-5)
Loss Diego Sanchez - Decision (Unanimous) UFC Versus 3
Loss Jake Shields - Decision (Split) UFC 121
Win Paulo Thiago - Decision (Unanimous) UFC 115
John "Doomsday" Howard (14-6)Jun 26, live on Versus from Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania:
Loss Thiago Alves - Decision (Unanimous) UFC 124
Loss Jake Ellenberger - TKO (Doctor Stoppage) UFC Versus 2
Win Daniel Roberts - KO (Punch) UFC Versus 1
Pat Barry vs. Cheick Kongo
Matt Mitrione vs. Christian Morecraft
Martin Kampmann vs. John Howard
Rich Attonito vs. Matt Brown
Manny Gamburyan vs. Tyson Griffin
Joe Stevenson vs. Javier Vazquez
Michael Johnson vs. Edward Faaloloto
Curt Warburton vs. Joe Lauzon
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Note, quick history on boxing judges
Kampmann’s lost to Sanchez can be attributed to failure to learn from history.
There are a number of fights in boxing history where the fighter who outpointed his opponent lost. The ones that I clearly remember are
- Pernell Whitaker(L) versus OScar De La Hoya(W)
- Oscar De La Hoya(L) versus Tito Trinidad(W).
In both fights the loser outpointed and outboxed their opponents. Unfortunately the winner was percieved as the aggressor and the fighter throwing more power punches.
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End Note: the Shields-Kampmann fight was close, there for he was not robbed of the victory.
I tend to be biased towards strikers . . . exciting strikers.
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by VeeisAnimated on Apr 13, 2011 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Sweet P. Pernell Whitaker, a guy who could win rounds without throwing a single punch lol. Was definitely robbed in that fight, i remember that.
As for Shields v. Kampmann their was no robbery in that fight at all, jake took his back and was looking for a finish. We was clearly lost that fight. But the Diego fight was a completely diff story, now that was a clear adult robbery.
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by Untitled_Artistry on Apr 13, 2011 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
HOnestly I don't know how the decision went to Diego Sanchez.
But attempting to the devils advocate or Mr. Blind Man State Commission judge . . . he did appear to be very aggressive with his 50 take down attempts, he scored 1 takedown and he made Kampmann wobble in the 3rd round. And let’s not forget how many times he blocked Kampmann’s jabs with his face.
Sanchez looked like he was swinging at the air often.
I tend to be biased towards strikers . . . exciting strikers.
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by VeeisAnimated on Apr 13, 2011 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Judges like things that look big and dramatic.
Takedowns, wild haymakers, etc all score more than crisp, precision strikes.
As for this matchup, I favor Kampmann, especially if he mixes up some takedowns with his strikes. As long as Martin can keep himself out of exchanges with his back on the fence, he should take this.
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by ElliotMatheny on Apr 13, 2011 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Sweet P. Pernell Whitaker, a guy who could win rounds without throwing a single punch
Sadly, this never actually happened.
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by Drunken cutman on Apr 13, 2011 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Barry vs Kongo?
let’s see some mothafuken Kickboxing!!!
a ok fight but....
What a weak card and headliner if this is the main event. This card needs a big name fight maybe 2 added just to save face.
by psuwrestler99 on Apr 13, 2011 4:10 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
This is really a
loser-leaves-town match that shouldn’t be a loser-leaves-town match.
knowwhatimsayin?
Doubt it.
Maybe for Howard but not Kampmann.
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by lowellthehammer on Apr 13, 2011 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions
they're trying to make room for the welterweights coming in from TUF 13
but I agree I don’t want to see Kamp of Doomsday go
Certainly not for Kampmann.
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by Richard Wade on Apr 13, 2011 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Barry vs Kongo?
Let’s see some motha fuckin decent wrestling used against someone who has ZERO ground game!!!! Cheick vs buentello 2.0.
by the mexicutioners #1 fan on Apr 13, 2011 3:33 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Yep. I have a feeling this is going to be an awful, awful fight. Will be interesting to see if Kongo can win a decision after losing 1 or 2 points.
by MMAussie on Apr 13, 2011 8:20 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Get robbed by the judges
Get a huge step down. Cool.
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I know.
Couldn’t believe Alves won either. Bullshit man.
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by lowellthehammer on Apr 13, 2011 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Clearly I was talking about his loss to Ellenberger.
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ur dum that wuz a tko lolol
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by lowellthehammer on Apr 13, 2011 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Think Howard might take it.
Kampmann excels at counter-grappling, but his striking has a lot of holes that I see Howard exploiting.
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by lowellthehammer on Apr 13, 2011 3:35 PM EDT reply actions
what I like about Howard
is that he pushes forward. Even against a beast like Alves. Kamp, if given enough pressure can and will crumble, no matter how decent his jab is.
He's awful at keeping guys off of him.
Howard’s going to pressure him and is decidedly more powerful on the feet than Sanchez. If he ends up a big underdog I’ll probably put some money on him.
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by lowellthehammer on Apr 13, 2011 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Kampmann should be 18-4 without a doubt, and arguable 19-3.
As long as he stays technical and doesnt brawl with Howard AND doesnt leave it to the whim of the judges, Kampmann all day.
That’s where I think Ron Frazier and Kampmann go wrong. Staying technical has not worked for him, the proof is in the judges decision. If Kampmann stays technical and Howard is very aggressive, the possibility of another controversial loss can easily occur.
I tend to be biased towards strikers . . . exciting strikers.
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by VeeisAnimated on Apr 13, 2011 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I still want to see Doomsday vs Rumble. Kinda hoping Howard wins this but I think Kampmann will take it.
I think they would make that if they were both coming off losses or wins, not one of each.
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This is one of the wildest ufc’s ever.
Almost everyone on his card is coming off a loss.
Andre's Posse
Running total of fighters coming off a loss:
One loss:
Rich Attonito
Javier Vasquez
Manny Gamburyan
Michael Johnson
Edward Faaloloto
Joe Lauzon
Two losses:
Martin Kampmann
John Howard
Three losses:
Matt Brown
Joe Stevenson
Tyson Griffin
Other:
Pat Barry (one win) / Cheick Kongo (draw and a win)
Curt Warburton (one win)
Matt Mitrione (four wins) / Christian Morecraft (one win)
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by lowellthehammer on Apr 13, 2011 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Good job puts this card in perspective.
I tend to be biased towards strikers . . . exciting strikers.
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by VeeisAnimated on Apr 13, 2011 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions
This is the worst card in North America that I can remember.
Worse than the TUF 12 Finale. The only card that jumps to mind as being actually worse than this in recent history is UFC 122, the second Germany event. But at least that had a solid headliner. This card flat out sucks right now.
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122 was fucking terrible.
Maia/Grove and Hendricks/Story from the TUF 12 finale weren’t bad but the rest was a waste of time. Luckily SF was on the same night.
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by lowellthehammer on Apr 13, 2011 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions
The UFC knows VS isn't worth anything now.
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Exactly. And they are making it really clear to everybody
So between pissing off CBS, flopping on ION, and giving absolute bottom of the barrel fights to Versus, how are they in a good position to negotiate with Spike when the contract is up?
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Well, Spike knew that VS and ION weren't worth anything too.
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If they put a good card with a proven draw on Versus, they'd do close enough ratings
and be able walk in to a Spike meeting and say “The sports channel gets us sports related advertisers that make our brand more palatable for merchandising, we are guaranteed live broadcasts in HD for the whole US for our sporting events, and they are producing a half hour lead in show as well as a wrap up event afterwards for X amount of events with on-air pitches for upcoming PPVs. They currently have expansion plans and we’re looking to establish a strong relationship with another growing brand.”
It wouldn’t have been that hard. Eat the cost to put Rampage or Penn on a broadcast even, get your ratings, go negotiate. It’s not even about getting a new station, but at least have the leverage to make stop stop fucking tape delaying a live event in the US. Phil Davis was fighting on the west coast and the west coast couldn’t watch it live! That’s not a good broadcast partner, and the UFC isn’t doing a great job of gaining leverage or keeping other options open. I really hope I’m wrong about that too.
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by pdl on Apr 13, 2011 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
This. THIS. THIS!!!!
"If I had a dollar for every brain you don't have, I'd have one dollar." - Squidward Tentacles
TUF 12 Finale and UFC 122 had loads of guys coming off losses
And those fighters were awful. So I don’t buy the idea that losing makes you fight more desperately.
"If I had a dollar for every brain you don't have, I'd have one dollar." - Squidward Tentacles
wah!!!!!!!
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by ChickenSalad on Apr 13, 2011 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions
for the record, kampmann wasn't "robbed"
He just needs to learn to finish when he has someone in really bad positions, and that being an effective counter-fighter won’t always be reflected on the scorecards.
That said, I’m rooting for my boston boy Howard! He needs to keep it on the feet but I think his striking is on par and if he could go toe to toe with Alves, he can with anyone at WW. War Doomsday!
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by Austin Martin on Apr 13, 2011 4:00 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Howard has been designated as the
get-your-career-back-on-track guy for ranked fighters coming off losses. Not exactly a dream job.
Tatum: I think he's a good man. I like him. I got nothing against him, but I'm definitely gonna make orphans of his children.
All he has to do is win one of those fights
Then he’s a ranked fighter.
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I guess that's a silver lining
he’ll have his hands full with Kampman though. That’s a tough fight coming off Thiago Alves.
Tatum: I think he's a good man. I like him. I got nothing against him, but I'm definitely gonna make orphans of his children.
by Dave Strummer on Apr 13, 2011 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions
seems pretty good to me
howard is over due to fight a striker who isnt thiago alves
should be a fun scrap
Fine! I'll go build my own lunar lander, with blackjack and hookers. In fact, forget the lunar lander and the blackjack.
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I see we meet again.
Doom has to make this one a dog fight and drag Kampmann into it. Then he’s just gotta land a big shot. I don’t think he can win a decision here, but with power he may not have to.
I could see this fight looking a lot like Kampmann’s fight with McFedries.
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by FRANKIE on Apr 13, 2011 5:10 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
So uh....I don't see any reason to think John Howard is a very good fighter
Kampmann will dominate him and give him his walking papers.
And this is also the worst card I’ve ever seen.
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