UFC Primetime: St. Pierre vs. Shields Live Discussion
by Nick Thomas on Apr 13, 2011 11:05 PM EDT
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PrintBefore Georges St. Pierre and Jake Shields meet at UFC 129, UFC Primetime will follow each fighter's training camps for three weeks leading up to the fight. This marks St. Pierre's third time participating on the show, having previously been featured for his UFC 111 bout between Dan Hardy and his UFC 94 superfight with B.J. Penn. One can assume that the show will primarily serve as a promotional tool for Jake Shields, who is unknown to casual UFC fans outside of an uninspired decision victory over Martin Kampmann at UFC 121.
Spike TV will take viewers to the Bay Area of California to see how Shields is honing his patented "American Jiu Jitsu" skills for his title shot, and to Montreal to see how St-Pierre, one of the most beloved athletes in Canada, is preparing for his title defense.
Join us at BloodyElbow.com tonight for part one at midnight ET and share your thoughts as the show unfolds.
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I’m a big fan of these and am looking forward to this one but does anybody know why they’re showing it so late?
Very good question,
it seems like it would’ve been better to show after Coal
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by ElliotMatheny on Apr 14, 2011 3:41 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah I wanted to watch it last night, but me and the gf were in the bed my 9:30. I have to be up by 6:00 for the next couple of weeks so I just said fuck it and went to sleep because I was looking at being up for at least another 2 hours if I wanted to watch it.
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by SentientAndroid on Apr 14, 2011 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
As much as I like GSP, kind of tired of seeing him on these shows.
I mean, there’s only so many times I can see him jump those hurdles before getting bored. However, I do realize that they’re doing this to give Jake some much needed exposure, and maybe make him look cooler than he actually is. I mean, they made it look as if Hardy stood a snowball’s chance in hell against GSP last time.
did you catch...
that they muted the boos for Shields in the SF cage with Melendez?
by John Danaher's Hair on Apr 14, 2011 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions
GSP:
Im ungrier than ever beefor. Jake Shields is my tuffest test to date. I train with dee best in dee wurld….
I wuz not empressed with Jake Shields last performance.
I want to win for my home crowd….yadda yadda yadda.
by Landoman722 on Apr 13, 2011 12:09 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 7 recs
Shields:
I know everyone expects me to lose but I’m here to say, I’m don’t plan on doing that.
I’ve been watching GSP for years and I think I have the tools to beat him.
I train at Cesar Gracie, one of the best camps in MMA, Nick Diaz, Nate Diaz, Gilbert Melendez, Nick Diaz, did I say Nick Diaz?
"Referees, be sure to step in and stop the fight on time tomorrow, because I might get carried away in the moment and my many punches may end up destroying my opponent." - Tatsuya "CRUSHER" Kawajiri
Except Matt Serra…They’ll probably throw that clip in for good measure.
The only reason I would tune in is to see Jake Shield’s highlights. I haven’t really seen any of his fights in full except the Miller one….and well, that other Miller one. And now that I think about it…he was sooooo close to being subbed by Mayhem I really wonder how well he will fare on the ground against GSP?
I meant that if they’re going to try and show that hes not unbeatable that’s really the only clip they have of him being in any danger since he’s had the title.
by Landoman722 on Apr 13, 2011 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions
you're bust indeed
Conducting an experiment on knocking people out in particular ways would be unethical.
I'd buy a John Danaher bust...
done in the Roman style
by John Danaher's Hair on Apr 14, 2011 12:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Your mentality and training may change
But you chin doesn’t, so his post holds water.
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One TKO ever
does not make a guys chin weak
Conducting an experiment on knocking people out in particular ways would be unethical.
No
It means you can’t take a punch or the dude just punches hard.
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Serra didn’t even land on GSP’s chin, he clipped him behind the ear.
by FreeFocus on Apr 14, 2011 12:32 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
why does everyone keep on bringing up that loss to serra?
GSP is an ENTIRELY different fighter now and that was 4 YEARS AGO
I completly agree...
But if they want to show GSPs not invincible, thats the last fight he was in any sort of trouble. Most people could bring your point up but im sure plenty of people would see that clip and not be aware of how long ago it was.
by Landoman722 on Apr 14, 2011 9:44 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
For the sake of picking the underdog. SHIELDS FTW.
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Who's sponsoring this, Ambien?
Whose idea was it to put two incredibly uninteresting fighters(in terms of interviews) on TV in the middle of the night?
It's like
waking up at 4am and watching the Juice Man.
"I stay clever like Mayweather, will lay leather 'til your face sever, one of the greatest ever." -- Big Daddy Kane
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Boxing TOP 5: Mayweather, Donaire, S. Martinez, JM Marquez, M. Cotto
MMA TOP 5: A. Silva, Hendo, Rampage, Bones, Nick Diaz
K-1 TOP 5: Overeem, Jienotsu, Masato, Buakaw, Zambidis
I was glad you didn't say SLAP-CHOP!
Cause that shit will get you PUMPED for the day!
by hardlyworking on Apr 14, 2011 6:41 AM EDT up reply actions
I love GSP and will never tire of seeing him on tv or interviews. Sue me.
Hardcore MMA fan since UFC 99
by ChiCubs23 on Apr 13, 2011 2:00 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
UFC Primetime is on at Midnight ET.
Isn’t it ironic… don’t you think?
A little too ironic?
Yeah, I really do think.
not sure that technically qualifies as irony
but it’s a shitty timeslot for a highly anticipated card that has a challenger that needs some serious buildup for the casual fans.
by Victor Rodriguez on Apr 13, 2011 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Pacquiao vs Mosley 360
came on at 10am… very shitty time slot.
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Boxing TOP 5: Mayweather, Donaire, S. Martinez, JM Marquez, M. Cotto
MMA TOP 5: A. Silva, Hendo, Rampage, Bones, Nick Diaz
K-1 TOP 5: Overeem, Jienotsu, Masato, Buakaw, Zambidis
Canada FTW!
Apparently, it’s airing on Rogers Sportsnet at 8:30 ET.
Whoo-hoo...
We can provide a re-cap four hours early.
by funkywanderer on Apr 13, 2011 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions
No way. He's not the same without the hair.
Lucky for us John Danaher’s Hair is a BE regular.
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Have u seen the ep yet?
He still looks creepy awesome without the hair.
by CstBoog on Apr 13, 2011 11:51 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I was surprised too.
That guy has a Yoda gaze, when he talks I just want to listen.
"What do you know about my vision? My vision will turn your world upside down, tear asunder your illusions and send the sanctuary of your own ignorance crashing down around you. Now ask yourself: Are you really ready to see that vision?"
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Still butthurt
about getting shaved off John’s head?
A better question is how hair can get internet access, and learn to type.
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by ElliotMatheny on Apr 14, 2011 7:57 AM EDT up reply actions
I've ascended to the Astral Plane
and I’m friends with the internet, who prints my thoughts.
by John Danaher's Hair on Apr 14, 2011 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Sorry I'm late...
I had to wait for my erection from listening to the silky tones of master’s voice go away.
by John Danaher's Hair on Apr 14, 2011 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Just finished watching it.
They probably could have saved some money by just doing a clip show. Cut and paste the GSP parts from the two previous Primetimes and then pepper it with some Jake Shields. Best part of the whole episode was Danaher.
don't you spoil it for me you son of a bitch
this is enthralling television
Conducting an experiment on knocking people out in particular ways would be unethical.
by Chris Hall on Apr 14, 2011 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
GSP likes to face opponents where they are best..
Hence wanting to expose Hardy’s world renowned BJJ
just bein an ass.. GSP is actually pretty bad ass at not being afraid of his opponents’ skills, just thought it was kind of funny
it was a pretty ridiculous statement
GSP is far from known for jumping into his opponents strengths. I’d say he’s far better at exploiting their weaknesses.
Conducting an experiment on knocking people out in particular ways would be unethical.
He does both a lot of the time. He stood with Alves for a little more then half of that fight (according to Fightmetric) and got the better of him. And he did out strike Hardy in the few moments that fight was on the feet.
But you’re right. He is definitely no stranger to attacking his opponents weakness, and i expect him to do so with Shields.
"Who are you and how the hell did you get in here?"
"I'm a locksmith... and i'm a locksmith."
Good point. I suppose he’s very good at both. But I highly doubt we see him spend a lot of time on the ground with Shields. I predict distance striking mixed with late round takedowns. He’ll take it to the ground, but only when he knows time is limited enough that Shields won’t have enough time to catch him.
Conducting an experiment on knocking people out in particular ways would be unethical.
I’d say that’s pretty accurate as to how it will truly play out. But I’d say we may see a little more takedowns in rounds three through five. He’ll test it out and strategize in between one and two and may even pull it as soon as two but I’m assuming Jake’s cardio will be better than it was against Kampmann so we’ll see.
I'd be slack-jaw shocked...
If GSP put this on the ground. Shields has literally no chance on the feet at distance- he’d be a fool not to keep it there.
by John Danaher's Hair on Apr 14, 2011 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Love all the Strikeforce footage from last Sat.
Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."
did you catch the Daley KO shot?
Amazing that it took a documentary film crew to catch it.
by John Danaher's Hair on Apr 14, 2011 12:55 AM EDT up reply actions
I was pretty stoked as well about the footage
It’s nice to see Strikeforce get some more cinematic detail to it and would enjoy seeing a Zuffa-produced Strikeforce special but Showtime has the Fight Camp 360. It’s more for boxing though and underutilized for MMA.
And it took that camera to catch Diaz’ knockout blow, which the regular angles didn’t
by John Danaher's Hair on Apr 14, 2011 1:03 AM EDT up reply actions
i was surprised...
to hear GSP say that Jake has the tools and skills to beat me, and him training with phil davis and chael sonnen, and they both said that Shields has what it takes to take GSP down and control him there,
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And James Toney...
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by John Danaher's Hair on Apr 14, 2011 12:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Yup.
When GSP says his current fight is his toughest test to date, i’m sure he legitimately believes it. He’d believe it no matter who he was fighting i think.
"Who are you and how the hell did you get in here?"
"I'm a locksmith... and i'm a locksmith."
I truly don’t think he thought Koscheck, Hardy, and Alves were tough tests. They all had glaring weaknesses that Georges would easily overcome and destroy. They were all dangerous in one area but never had a chance at beating him, especially Hardy and Alves. The last tough test he had was Penn. That was over two years ago. Shields is his toughest test since Penn. By far. Shields isn’t just dangerous, he’s big. He’s bigger than Georges. He’s gonna be extremely tough for anyone.
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Agreed 100%,
Think about how GSP destroyed Hughes, Serra, and Penn consecutively. He RESPECTED those guys, and so he fought urgently, and really beat the piss out of them. Hughes & Serra both finished Georges in the 1’st round, and BJ busted him up in the 1’st round of their fight. So what does St. Pierre do? He takes it to them.
Notice how Fitch, Alves, Hardy, & Koscheck all got dominated, but Georges didn’t have the same kind of urgency. He avoided all risks, and just showed his superiority over them. Hell, he kind of toyed with them, tried out new moves… like they were nothing.
I think with a guy like Shields, he will want to take it to him. Jake always presents a danger of snagging a submission, especially from on top. I also think he would fight that way against a guy like Anderson.
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by ElliotMatheny on Apr 14, 2011 6:32 AM EDT up reply actions
just because he’s not underestimating them, doesn’t mean he won’t lose.
by Roaringblood on Apr 14, 2011 8:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Did anyone notice the KO shot from Diaz from the new angle??
The Primetime camera caught it- right hook to Daley’s chin right before they disengaged….
by John Danaher's Hair on Apr 14, 2011 12:49 AM EDT reply actions
From that little bit you see of Shields, I really started to like Shields.
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I think Shields has a legitimate shot to pull off the upset in this fight, but not unless he can things things to the mat pretty quickly. His striking “skills” are truly terrible and GSP will make what he did to Koscheck seem like child’s play if the action stays standing very long.
eh
Kos isn’t an amazing striker. He’s gotten better for sure, but he’s not amazing.
Plus gsp broken his face with the first shot, that tends to make you fight timid.
by Roaringblood on Apr 14, 2011 8:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Lol at Kos and Hardy.
""It’s the first guy for a while that I’m gonna fight that really is worth the challenge"
Boys becoming men...Men becoming wolves
Danaher was so full of shit
He was talking about how GSP always goes after his opponent’s biggest strength when GSP has gone on record saying he intentionally does the opposite.
by Rob Young on Apr 14, 2011 9:09 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
He didn’t say he goes after their biggest strength, he said that he’s won fights in their own domain. There’s a difference. He may not consciously have chosen to do so but he has ended fights in other fighter’s best domain.
^This is what Danaher was talking about but I’m trying to figure out which fights he did so…he dominated Fitch all over, he took Alves down at will, he did the same to Hardy, jabbed Kos to death, and before that he crushed BJ from top control and brutalized Serra with knees. Which of those is the fighter’s domain? The only one close would be BJ from bottom even though he’s never subbed any1 from bottom in MMA, and perhaps Serra from bottom?
Weird quote from Danaher.
First of all, how dare you.
Secondly, He wrestled with Trigg and Hughes, took BJ down, and stood (about half the time) with Alves. I agree that what’s marked GSP’s success is the fact that he’s good everywhere, so he has the ability to bring it wherever his opponent sucks, but he has beaten many of his opponents at their own game.
by John Danaher's Hair on Apr 14, 2011 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
but he has beaten many of his opponents at their own game.
But almost without exception, when he has done this, it is after working them over and wearing them down where he had the greatest advantage.
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by The American Ronin on Apr 14, 2011 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
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