Greg Jackson: Rashad Evans Has the Tools to Beat Jon Jones
by Nick Thomas on Apr 12, 2011 9:17 PM EDT
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MMA coach, Greg Jackson: "I think everybody has the tools to win. Rashad (Evans) certainly does. If "Rampage" (Jackson) catches you with a big punch he's got the tools. Everybody's got the tools to win."UFC boss Dana White told fans that UFC light heavyweight champion Jon Jones would face Rashad Evans in "September or October".
Striking coach, Mike Winkeljohn: "I love Rashad (Evans) to death. I think he’s much better than people even know. He could be scary for Jon. He has the tools to beat Jon Jones."
Former Strikeforce champ, Muhammed "King Mo" Lawal: "Every man can be beaten. Without a doubt I can beat Jon Jones. I know I can beat Jon Jones. He's a good fighter, but all it takes is a good game plan, a good camp and I know I would win. My brother Rashad got the tools to beat him too. Rashad's going to beat him."
Jon "Bones" Jones (13-1) [Num. 1] -525
Win Mauricio Rua - TKO (Punches and Knees) UFC 128
Win Ryan Bader - Submission (Guillotine Choke) UFC 126
Win Vladimir Matyushenko - TKO (Elbows) UFC Versus 2
Rashad "Suga" Evans (15-1-1) [Num. 3] +375
Win Quinton Jackson - Decision (Unanimous) UFC 114
Win Thiago Silva - Decision (Unanimous) UFC 108
Loss Lyoto Machida - KO (Punches) UFC 98
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by GirlsBeatMeUp on Apr 12, 2011 9:20 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Pretty simple....
Coach trying to make as much money as possible for both his fighters. Can’t blame him. But hey I’m with him, I think Rashad can pull it off.
"I gotta couple of lawsuits against me, yeah, two of em almost drowned when I hit em with the money shot."- Don Frye
by GirlsBeatMeUp on Apr 12, 2011 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Me too.
Rashad has some of the best punch to takedown transitions in the sport. His heavy hands and supersonic shot are a formidable combination. If anyone can get Jones down, it’ll be Rashad.
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by ElliotMatheny on Apr 12, 2011 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions
what kind of ho moves can he pull from the half-guard?
by Victor Rodriguez on Apr 12, 2011 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions
He is probably fucked if/ when he gets put on his back.
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"I swear it upon Zeus an outstanding runner cannot be the equal of an average wrestler."
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by ElliotMatheny on Apr 12, 2011 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions
as I said before Jones eats wrestlers for breakfast
just like GSP
by Mohammedini Hussein on Apr 13, 2011 5:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Wrestlers who
A) Don’t set up their takedowns well in an MMA context (IE mixing strikes with level changes), and B) Are bad from their back.
Rashad is hard to keep down on his back, and masterfully blends punches with his shot. I don’t personally like Rashad’s chances to win, but also don’t discount the dude from being able to take Jones down or put leather on his chin. The guy is seriously fast.
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by ElliotMatheny on Apr 13, 2011 7:29 AM EDT up reply actions
have you ever seen him keep someone down?
Jon Jones will have a huge size and advantage on Rashad and it is hard to setup TDs when you are on the outside
by Mohammedini Hussein on Apr 13, 2011 5:42 AM EDT up reply actions
I sure have.
Here’s a better question- have you ever seen how Jones reacts to heavy punches while on his back?
As for Jones’ reach advantage- yes, Rashad will miss his takedowns if he shoots from really far out.
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by ElliotMatheny on Apr 13, 2011 7:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Forrest was already completely rocked there. Considering how effortlessly Jones has defended the takedown attempts of Bader and O’Brien, I don’t think Rashad gets him down more than once, if at all, and Rashad’s top control has always been the weakest point in his wrestling game, even in college.
Could be interesting on the feet, but Rashad is outclassed by far on the ground in this one. Jones will rightly be -300 or more here.
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by The American Ronin on Apr 13, 2011 7:53 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't know how you could say that,
considering we’ve never seen Jones on his back.
Also, Forrest wasn’t rocked before getting put on his back. He slipped, and Rashad started mauling him with shots. His top control is good when he isn’t tired, he kept Rampage & Thiago down and stayed busy.
Jones’ takedown defense has been on point so far, but he’s never fought a guy with the hands and takedowns Rashad does.
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by ElliotMatheny on Apr 13, 2011 8:05 AM EDT up reply actions
First no he was rocked
secondly, How can you not agree rushed will het trucked. Jones has beaten every body by stoppage with relative ease. I don’t see rushed being the guy to beat jones. Not to mention it’s been about a year since rushed has even had a pro fight. Your first fight back is going to be against the greatest LHW possibly ever.
Hahaha……. Rashad is in trouble. I don’t know who couldn’t side with jones he’s young classy and is an exciting fighter what more do u want.
He’s going to rake rashads lunch and there isn’t shit he can do about it.
Seriously don't take me serious. Seriously....
by F.U.B.A.R on Apr 13, 2011 8:11 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I just rewatched the 3'rd round of Evans/ Griffin.
Forrest wasn’t rocked from any standing strikes. Rashad caught a kick, grazed Forrest with a punch, and then swarmed him with heavy GnP from the top. The ground strikes were what rocked Forrest.
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by ElliotMatheny on Apr 13, 2011 8:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh,
I definitely favor Jones to win. But Rashad definitely has the ability to win. Especially considering that Jones has never been put on his back, and Rashad is the man best equipped at 205 to do just that.
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-Socrates
by ElliotMatheny on Apr 13, 2011 8:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Having a snowballs chance
still doesn’t quite = man best equipped.
Who at 205
has a better chance of taking Jones down?
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-Socrates
by ElliotMatheny on Apr 13, 2011 8:20 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree with you
but saying “man best equipped” makes it seem like it is going to make a difference, you know? I think Jones’s reach and wrestling will negate it. Remember when everyone was thinking Shogun’s elite striking was going to be too much?
Best man equipped
literally means the guy who has the best chance, the guy with the best skills with which to accomplish a goal. Again- out of any fighter on the UFC 205 lb. roster, Rashad has the best shot of putting Jones on his back.
I agree that Jones should win, but I think we MMA fans are pretty quick to anoint a guy as unbeatable. The one thing we can’t be in MMA is sure of a fighter’s invincibility.
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by ElliotMatheny on Apr 13, 2011 8:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Rashad's wrestling
didn’t mean sh*t to Machida, or Rampage. Shogun dominated ‘Page in Pride & was evenly matched w/ Machida and got totally manhandled by Jones. Is he invincible, no, but I can’t say Rashad’s wrestling (even being best in 205 & familiar w/ Jones) is going to make even the slightest difference. I just can’t see it.
Correction
Rashad’s wrestling was effective against ‘Page, but the fight ended with Rashad on his back, and didn’t give him much advantage overall…
Rashad's wrestling didn't mean shit to Rampage?
You mean the guy who he repeatedly took down throughout the course of their fight?
And of course Rashad’s wrestling didn’t mean shit to Machida, the guy has sterling takedown defense, and great evasive footwork. Noone had figured out how to beat the guy yet, and noone yet has taken him down consistently & kept him there.
Your use of MMA math here is really not applicable in this situation.
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by ElliotMatheny on Apr 13, 2011 9:00 AM EDT up reply actions
My point
was that Page & Machida were both competitive w/ Shogun. Machida handled Rashad fairly easily. Jones handled Shogun effortlessly which makes him seem a step above Shogun (to my own disbelief). MMA math or not I don’t see the kind of wrestling from Rashad that he would need to be competitive w/ Jones is a wrestler unlike Shogun & Machida and uses his wrestling way better than ’Page.
Styles make fights.
First off, Rampage was nowhere NEAR competitive against Shogun, but he was also a completely different fighter back then.
Machida was competitive in the first match (although we all know who REALLY won that fight), and Shogun knocked his ass out in the rematch.
Rashad fought Machida at the worst possible time- a time where Machida hadn’t been figured out yet, and a time when he was in love with his striking. Those 2 things led him to getting knocked the hell out. Rashad’s strength is and always will be his wrestling, and every fighter he’s decided to take down, he’s taken down.
Not that he WILL do that to Jones, but he certainly has the ability to, given the right strategy & execution. Brian Stann said that Rashad whoops Jones in the gym. I definitely favor Jones, but also don’t consider the man untouchable. He has some flaws in his game, and all it takes in this game is someone who can negate your strengths and exploit your flaws to beat you.
I think Rashad has as good a chance as any to be the first man to get Jones down consistently and make him work from his back. Considering that Rashad has been on top multiple times in his career, and Jones has never taken down or put on his back, it will be interesting to see how he handles himself if/ when that happens.
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by ElliotMatheny on Apr 13, 2011 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I think it is safe to say that, in the unlikely event Jones feels Rashad is a threat to take him down, he will instead take Evans down, at will.
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by The American Ronin on Apr 13, 2011 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree that Jones has the wrestling advantage here,
but I don’t think he will be able to take Rashad down & stuff him at will.
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by ElliotMatheny on Apr 13, 2011 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I do, and for decent odds I’d put money on a prop bet that Rashad is unable to take him down at all.
Bader is a better wrestler, with better takedowns than Rashad, and he looked inept.
Rashad looks effective taking Rampage and Thiago down, but that’s not a huge leap from taking Mousasi down. Not to mention getting into and/or surviving the extremely close range he took Rampage down from is highly improbable against Jones.
Then go back and see the lightning quick shot, from a serious distance, that Jones took Bader down with and tell me you honestly think Rashad has an answer for that.
I don’t care what Brian Stann says, or why he really said it, this won’t even be competitive in the clinch or on the ground.
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by The American Ronin on Apr 13, 2011 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I disagree that Bader has better takedowns,
in an MMA context at least. Rashad mixes strikes with his shot MUCH MUCH better than Bader does.
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by ElliotMatheny on Apr 13, 2011 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I was pulling hard for Shogun too.
But Rashad is a completely different fighter than Shogun.
Given the fact that both Jones & Rashad were training partners at Jackson’s, i’m sure they’re pretty well acquainted with their games, and know how to attack/ defend/ counter eachother. It will come down to who truly is the better man on the night of.
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by ElliotMatheny on Apr 13, 2011 8:35 AM EDT up reply actions
i gotta know....
are you just arguing that rashad has a chance, or you believe he will beat jones…?
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by Sterling Archer on Apr 13, 2011 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions
ElliotMatheny:
I agree that Jones should win
I think it is just that I am arguing that the chance he has doesn’t amount to enough to even call it a chance…
like
theres a chance that kobe didnt cheat on his wife, theres a chance barry bonds didnt do steroids, and theres a chance that donald trump will be our next president
Jonny Bench called.
by Sterling Archer on Apr 13, 2011 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions
I favor Jones.
I’m just saying that people are very quick to declare an impressive fighter to be untouchable, and i’m saying that’s now how it is. Rashad has the skills and athleticism to put Jones into some bad spots. And considering how extensively they’ve worked with eachother, i’m sure both men know how to attack, defend, and counter one another.
As I said before- it will come down to the guy who really is the best on the night of. Both guys need to have great training camps, great gameplans, and above all else- unshakeable resolve.
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by ElliotMatheny on Apr 13, 2011 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions
i just flat out cant agree with that
im not saying jones is unbeatable, but its far from a “whoever is feeling the moment” type of fight
i think rashad can win, but he’ll need a horseshoe rammed up his ass
Jonny Bench called.
by Sterling Archer on Apr 13, 2011 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions
He's in luck,
Because Rashad has spent a few weeks training with Brock “The Ass Horseshoe” Lesnar.
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by ElliotMatheny on Apr 13, 2011 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions
RASHAD HAS NOT FOUGHT IN A YEAR!
WHY THE HE’LL IS NO ONE BRINGING THIS UP. No one is well equipped enough to test Jon maybe a 205 Anderson silva but still. Your driving a moot point.
Seriously don't take me serious. Seriously....
by F.U.B.A.R on Apr 13, 2011 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
yes and the size/reach difference will be HUUUUUGEEEE
by Mohammedini Hussein on Apr 13, 2011 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Reach, yes.
Size, no. I doubt Jones weighs any more than 5 lbs than Rashad in the cage.
As for FUBAR, yes- the layoff is a concern, and that’s one of the reasons I favor Jones. Then again, Rashad’s game isn’t really predicated on the kinds of things that cage rust detriment the most- timing, precision, reflexes… Rashad’s an aggressor, not a counter fighter.
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by ElliotMatheny on Apr 13, 2011 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Good point about Rashad perhaps not being affected as much as many by the layoff.
While Jones likely won’t be more 10 or so pounds heavier, I think he has far greater functional strength than Rashad does.
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by The American Ronin on Apr 13, 2011 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe upper body strength,
but Rashad can DRIVE with those runningback legs of his. Jones wrestles really well for a tall man, but Rashad wrestles really well for a shorter light heavyweight as well.
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by ElliotMatheny on Apr 13, 2011 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Do you follow MMA?
Yea, Jones is going to run right through Rashad, just like Werdum had no business getting in there with Fedor, Frankie Edgar is entirely too small and is nowhere near the level of Penn, Shogun is going to rape Griffin, etc. etc. etc.
first fight back is going to be against the greatest LHW possibly ever
Really dude, really? Just like Machida right? How about Jone defends the title, I don’t know… ONCE, before we start calling him great let alone greatest ever.
That being said, I pick Jones, but Rashad is more than capable of taking that title along with all the other animals at 205. To think otherwise is just incredible naive and ignorant.
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by Genki Sudo's Choreographer on Apr 13, 2011 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Exactly.
I get the feeling that these guys are pretty new to the sport. I’ve seen enough impressive rises to the top to know how fragile that invincible aura can be.
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by ElliotMatheny on Apr 13, 2011 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions
forrest was rocked brother.
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by the-gentle-way on Apr 13, 2011 11:05 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yes he was rocked,
by the ridiculously hard shots Rashad hit him with from the top. Not from anything that happened standing.
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by ElliotMatheny on Apr 13, 2011 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions
forrest didn't attempt to get up on his feet
he was looking to work from his back
by Mohammedini Hussein on Apr 13, 2011 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Rashad doesn't really work GnP these days.
His top control isn’t strong enough to take that kind of risk, that’s why his style is hated.
didn't you read the other part?
it’s really hard to set up TDs with strikes when Jones have a 10 inch reach advantage and a enormous size advantage. Top that of with an excellent TDD and Rashads glass chin it’s not looking good for him
by Mohammedini Hussein on Apr 13, 2011 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Bro,
why are you getting so mad that I’m saying Rashad has a chance at winning? Are you so blinded by your nuthuggery that you can’t acknowledge that Evans is a good fighter, and has taken down every man he’s decided to? And to say Rashad has a glass chin is laughable. It took a bazillion hard strikes from Machida to make him do the stanky leg, and he absorbed massive power shots from Rampage & Thiago without going out. The real problem in the T. Silva & Rampage fights were that he gassed in the late rounds.
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by ElliotMatheny on Apr 13, 2011 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions
He’s got good transitions between striking and grappling, but his actual shot is sorely lacking for that type of gameplan.
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by Rundownloser on Apr 13, 2011 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Huh?
Here I was thinking Rashad had a very good shot.
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by ElliotMatheny on Apr 13, 2011 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions
If he tries to stand with Jones he will surely die. His BJJ top game is shit awful……soooooo he is going to hope Jones trips over his stool coming out for round 2?
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by Earl Montclair on Apr 12, 2011 9:22 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
i know.
I will boldly predict that the fight makes it to Round 2.
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by Earl Montclair on Apr 12, 2011 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Rashad will last longer most
He’s the only LHW who knows what its like to fight Jones. Everyone is else is completely in the dark, they have no idea what to expect. Rashad knows exactly what to expect and can make a plan to deal with it.
"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."
aaaand
jones knows about rashad. except, he’s better and rashad will be in a new camp.
by silent.bisonte33 on Apr 12, 2011 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't know though
It’s like trying to fight your big brother. You may know him, but he always knows you a little bit better. If Jackson was training Jones for this fight, it would be no contest. But with Greg stepping aside I think Rashad has a chance.
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by Neil Manich on Apr 12, 2011 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions
three things
1) remember when people were saying that jones just isnt ready for someone of shoguns’ caliber? i hear a similar arguement with this ‘big brother’ thing. truth be told i was more willing to believe that jones wasnt ready for shogun rather than not being ready for rashad….
2) greg jackson will train jon jones. rashad is gone, he left, no longer one of his fighters. regardless of what the media says, or what greg himself says, jon is a new cash cow, just like george, and will be trained by greg.
3) youre adorable
Jonny Bench called.
by Sterling Archer on Apr 13, 2011 7:13 AM EDT up reply actions
I guess I believe Greg when he says he won't train Jones for this one.
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with Rashads glass jaw and Jones reach advantage of 10 inches I don't see this fight lasting too long
by Mohammedini Hussein on Apr 13, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
With Jones'
poor form on his right cross, and average power on his round kicks, I don’t see him knocking Rashad down or using his reach advantage.
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by ElliotMatheny on Apr 13, 2011 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Nope
He’s gonna use incredible head movement. Keeping himself where Jones can only hit him with 12-6 elbows. Evans by DQ
Conducting an experiment on knocking people out in particular ways would be unethical.
Going with the Hamill plan
might be the only way he can win this.
Its a risky strategy
But I think he can pull it off
Conducting an experiment on knocking people out in particular ways would be unethical.
by Chris Hall on Apr 12, 2011 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
But if it fails...
it will probably be worse than this
I like Rampage's version
It's just a world, it's just a life.
by DirtyML on Apr 12, 2011 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions 9 recs
If Rampage wasn't such a shitty coach
I wouldn’t mind watching him on TUF again.
Amen
He was entertaining, but a horrible, horrible coach….
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by The American Ronin on Apr 12, 2011 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions
"I beat Machida, you beat Machida"
… right :) !
The thing is..
Rashad fought a guy who makes highlight reels off counterstriking in Machida and Rashad played the striking game with him.
Bones is not a counterstriker; he is a creative and speedy striker with an insane reach with excellent takedowns and a great top game.
Thoeretically you want a guy like Rashad to come in and put Jones on his back and keep him there and we STILL have not seen Bones guard or off his back. We need guys who sets up shots very well: punch shoot, punch shoot Rashad has that down in spades.
The problem for Rashad is Jones’ uncany ability to deeply analyse a fighter by religiously watching tape on his next opponent. I expect Jones to study every tendency Evans possesses while fighting in the cage. If Evans hopes to win this, he will need to be on the very top of his game and a trump card that Jones has not seen before the fight.
It will be an interesting bout none the less.
by ultima0chaotic on Apr 12, 2011 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions
When I read this
I thought you meant this
by av1o3 on Apr 12, 2011 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I hated that movie.
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by Scott C. Broussard on Apr 12, 2011 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I hated
that the climax of the movie was her losing her career via stool.
By "stool", you mean a backless chair, right?
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by Scott C. Broussard on Apr 12, 2011 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Good It's Always Sunny episode, though.
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by Derek Suboticki on Apr 13, 2011 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
That's redundant
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by Neil Manich on Apr 13, 2011 1:34 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I thought it was a really good movie.
The ending was definitely a buzzkill, but the acting/ characters, cinemetography, dialogue… all great IMO.
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by ElliotMatheny on Apr 13, 2011 12:56 AM EDT up reply actions
I thought it was pretty poor.
You knew from the outset that, despite not training women and phoning in the grizzled curmudgeon he’s played his whole career, Eastwood would train her. You knew a retired Morgan Freeman would find a way to get that last KO (pithy one-liner included). You knew he wouldn’t tell her what the nickname was until some Important Plot Point. You knew something tragic would happen. Swank’s family was the stereotypical white-trash moneygrubbers. Etc.
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by Scott C. Broussard on Apr 13, 2011 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions
There's the issue right there.
I basically just shut my brain down and enjoy the movie, and am not the best at predicting the plot of a story.
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by ElliotMatheny on Apr 13, 2011 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions
He'll never say otherwise
Those are really non-statements. If he believed otherwise, Greg would never say it publicly. It would go against his super humble, “I’m staying out of it” stance he’s taken on this Jones vs. Evans thing.
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by DL2kold on Apr 12, 2011 9:28 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I know right.
Does he really believe he can win? I don’t care what game plan, the only way anyone is getting that LHW belt in the next 5 is if Jones gets shot chasing bad guys.
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by halitosis on Apr 12, 2011 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
*next five YEARS
Let the fighters fight, let the referees ref, but dear God, don't let the judges judge.
Reverse psychology, Rashad!
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by BVandDietPepsi on Apr 12, 2011 9:29 PM EDT reply actions 4 recs
I want to watch King Mo get knocked out again
He’ll get his ass kicked if he fought somebody with good tdd and striking. After fighting Jardine, Mousasi proved he is terribly lacking take down defense.
He's gonna take your will rashad...
…you should have just said no rashad.
by C.A.M. on Apr 12, 2011 9:31 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
evans has the tools to beat jones?
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by Bonedoctor on Apr 12, 2011 9:41 PM EDT reply actions 4 recs
I think Lawal means
Evans is going to pull a Tonya Harding on Jones.
more like those teenytiny screwdrivers for eyeglasses
I mean, why not?
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by some schmuck in texas on Apr 12, 2011 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Notice he GJ says “Everybody has the tools to win.” Rashad has as good a chance as anybody. Which means not much of a chance.
I saw that too. Jon Jones I have the tools to win. Me want da belt
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by Earl Montclair on Apr 12, 2011 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions
That gif is way to fast
Good idea, not great execution.
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by Neil Manich on Apr 12, 2011 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm trying to make people throw up.
It was either that or make a fanpost to bring VelociAldo back.
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by Earl Montclair on Apr 12, 2011 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions
p123 vs VelociAldo in the White Cage!
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by Neil Manich on Apr 12, 2011 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Already happened
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by Damon O. on Apr 12, 2011 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
did he finally get the banhammer?
I need someone to do a fan post detailing great bans in BE history. We could vote on the best.
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by Dave Strummer on Apr 12, 2011 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I graciously accept my award.
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by Derek Suboticki on Apr 13, 2011 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
we might have to make a special category for you.
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by Dave Strummer on Apr 13, 2011 1:03 AM EDT up reply actions
I have posted some pretty ill shit.
I am mos def runner-up. Three warnings and runnin’. One more and I’m done!
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by Ryan Tical on Apr 13, 2011 1:40 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Sub0 actually was banned, at least once.
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by The American Ronin on Apr 13, 2011 8:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Definitely more than once.
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by ElliotMatheny on Apr 13, 2011 8:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh, please.
Urijah Bieber is the undisputed p4p ban/ warning champ of the universe. It’s not even a contest.
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by ElliotMatheny on Apr 13, 2011 8:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Blasphemy.
Do you even know how/why I got my first ban?
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by Derek Suboticki on Apr 13, 2011 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Didn't you
insult someone’s wife?
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by ElliotMatheny on Apr 13, 2011 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Blasphemy indeed...
You should be the one to tell the story though, too many didn’t see it first hand, myself included.
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by The American Ronin on Apr 13, 2011 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow
VelociAldo was banned? What happened? Furthermore, how the hell did p123 get back in here? I thought the banhammer was permanent!
I can attest
to the fact that being banned IS NOT necesarily permanent… it can be lifted
;-)
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by ElliotMatheny on Apr 13, 2011 12:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Nothing is permanent (except UFC domination)
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by Derek Suboticki on Apr 13, 2011 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Banhammer lore says that it should be permanent (anything else is total pussy status), but SB Nation allows bans to be lifted. Shit stays in the moderation history though.
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King Mo...
Is that the guy who got TKOed by Rafael Cavalcante? He thinks he can beat Jones?
by High Knee Destroyer on Apr 12, 2011 9:45 PM EDT reply actions
Don't forget he also knocked out Mike Whitehead and Kerr
and lay n prayed on Mousasi who has terrible takedown defense.
After watching how Jardine got all those takedowns on Mousasi made me realize how overhyped Lawal is.
I think it should make you realize how fucking terrible Mousasi's game is.
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by Earl Montclair on Apr 12, 2011 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions
That too of course
but it shows that if Lawal fought somebody with a striker with good tdd he would get probably get his ass kicked.
Rashads gunna have to hit jones with that death punch from hell that killed chuck liddell. otherwise i dont see him pulling out a win.
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by mattsterguy on Apr 12, 2011 9:45 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
and just how
is rashad going to get close enough to do that? ask shogun, he’ll tell you all about what its like to swing at the air 6 inches in front of jons face while your getting punched and kicked in yours
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by Sterling Archer on Apr 13, 2011 7:23 AM EDT up reply actions
The headline makes it seem way more definitive than the quote actually is
And Winklejohn sounds like he’s trying to do media control.
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Really profound!!
Basically they are saying it’s possible to beat Jon Jones. And although possible it’s not probable!
by Fedornuthugger on Apr 12, 2011 10:30 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
everyone thought Machida was unbeatable
same with BJ Penn, same with Shogun, same with Lesnar, etc. Jones is a work in progress and a true prodigy, but he can be beat. it’s going to take a lot of work and observation to figure out the Bones puzzle.
by Victor Rodriguez on Apr 12, 2011 11:19 PM EDT reply actions
Someone will probably beat Jones
because everybody loses (to something other than a DQ on a silly rule) in MMA at some point, but I’m having a hard time believing Rashad’s the guy to do it. Jones absolutely feasts on wrestlers, including those with heavy hands. Rashad is the archetype of a fighter that Jones just eats for dinner.
I think if and when he loses it’s going to be a guy with an asymmetrical skill set: either a top flight submission guy or a striker with power in both hands.
My money is on Lorenz Larkin.
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by Dave Strummer on Apr 12, 2011 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
For future Bones Challengers:
- First things first, be wary of closing in the distance; he will usually throw out either a spinning back kick or an earial kick to keep you on your toes and away from his face
-DO NOT ENGAGE IN CLINCHES! This is a major no no when facing Jones as he will dominate almost anyone in the clinch, whether it be striking or takedowns/throws. If he forces you into a clinch, DEFEND DEFEND and try to break and keep dsitance ASAP.
-When pressed UP AGAINST THE CAGE, DEFEND YOUR FACE. Jones loves throwing out spinning back elbows/fists on the break. The least of your worries is a takedown.
-If he rocks you, as with most fighters, the basic instinct is to cover the face…JONES KNOWS THIS. That is the reason why he will go straight to the guy with a piston fist.
-If he gets you down, secure guard right away and hold onto his hands for dear life or he will blast you with shattering elbows. Ocassionally put up a submnission attempt, as you will end up losing anyways if you decide to just keep him in guaed (cough Vera cough)
That said, it seems that the answer is to not fight him at all and that it is hopeless……almost, but not quite.
-You need to be confident in your takedown and your clinch game; you can’t second guess yourself.
-You need to be patient, and conservatively counter strike whenever possible. (Pick your shots, don’t waste energy as you are expending a lot of it to compensate that long ranged defense (his 84.5 inch reach)
-Be creative as well. Creativity can also include unpredictability. Jones feeds of predcitibility and tendencies of fighters and that’s how he is able to pick them apart even before the fight begins.
-Lastly, just be CONFIDENT. Jones thrives on this alone. This is what got him so far and this is what will keep him going. Sure he is young and extremely athletic but his belief in his ownself is unparalleled. Those flashy moves would not be possible had he not been confident in pulling them off. He risks moves that have great consequences if failed, but his confidence prevents it from doing so.
So that’s it. A lot simpler said than done ofcourse, but I believe there are plenty of people that could threaten Jones. The biggest issue is Jone’s sheer ability to analyze anything and everything about a fighter to the finest details. His brain is his most lethal weapon against his challengers, so I suggest to the challengers, that they do the same.
by ultima0chaotic on Apr 12, 2011 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I was going to say this was damage control, but these are all very old quotes.. why on earth are you running with quotes that are almost three weeks old (in Winklejohn’s case) as new news? The only new quote here is Mo’s
At least give Rashad’s response as well, this is absurd. ProMMA radio interviewed Rashad and got his comments on the interview from Greg, Rashad’s comments and tone shed a lot of light on it. The link is http://www.prommaradio.com/mma-player/player.html — It starts at the 28:00 min mark
If you haven’t listened to it, Rashad sounds extremely upset about all of Greg’s comments and states Greg was lying. He says you can ask Jardine, Phil Nurse and some others who will all back him up. Just listen to his tone before and and after the Jackson quotes, it’s quite disturbing. Also Rashad states that he’s in Florida training with JZ, Santiago and some of the others that recently left ATT.
king of comedy mo
he can beat jones?
well when he thought he could strike to defend his title he got DOMINATED.
Jones is amazing, a rare breed of champion, one that even Chael sonnen worships and admires.
Rashad has decent striking, I dont know if he would like to be on his back but thats what karma is there for. I think if he is really determined he can beat JBJ,
Although I dont think I can handle his drama if he was actually champion again
This just sounds like Brocks “any given Sunday” speech given all over again. The people are just saying anything can happen so Evans can stop giving everyone the stinkeye. Imagine seeing that walking into your favorite coffee shop out of the corner of your eye. Nothing else.
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i know one man that has the tool to beat him
by vicesquad26 on Apr 13, 2011 1:46 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
And he knows how to use those tools
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by dgonz on Apr 13, 2011 1:52 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Yikes!
What’s the context here?
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by Drunken cutman on Apr 13, 2011 7:25 AM EDT up reply actions
K-1 hype video.
Playing up the “demolition man” character.
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by ElliotMatheny on Apr 13, 2011 7:33 AM EDT up reply actions
It must have been fun, making that
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by Drunken cutman on Apr 13, 2011 7:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah,
He smashed up that bike pretty good too. Between mauling his gym mates, round kicking little girls, kneeing japanese game show hosts, deadlifting 550 lbs up stairs, and smashing tripods… the dude’s a boss.
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by ElliotMatheny on Apr 13, 2011 8:09 AM EDT up reply actions
I forgot the knees.
How could I EVER forget the knees?
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by ElliotMatheny on Apr 13, 2011 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions
What the hell is King Mo talkin about?
That hype train jump the tracks a long time ago. King Mo would get dog-walked against JJ. He doesn’t have good enough standup to even make it interesting. I hope with the immenent merger we get a chance to see Rampage beat the brakes off of Mo for his big ass mouth.
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by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Apr 13, 2011 9:20 AM EDT reply actions
I dont recall Rashad ever having such great strike to takedown transitions.
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