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Is the UFC Getting Impatient to Gobble Up Strikeforce?

The Zuffa family -- Lorenzo Fertitta, Dana White and Scott Coker at Strikeforce: Diaz vs Daley via Cage Potato

When Dana White shocked the MMA world with his announcement that the UFC's parent company Zuffa LLC had acquired Strikeforce his mantra was "business as usual." He was emphatic that there would be no cross-over fights in the short term and that the UFC wouldn't be overly involved in the way Strikeforce managed its affairs.

No one should be surprised to see those vows going to the way-side already. For one thing, Dana himself was front and center cage side wearing a Strikeforce t-shirt despite his initial claims that he wouldn't be attending the shows.

And then there was the ban on reporters that Zuffa doesn't like.  MMA Payout commented on that:

Although new to Strikeforce, it is not unusual to vet media requests in professional sports. The surprise is that several notable journalists tied with reputable outlets (and avid readership) have been shut out of coverage. Is the exclusion of certain journalists punitive for past run-ins with the UFC? Is it a message to those excluded that they need to change the way they write to regain access? As journalists covering an event, access is needed to obtain good articles.

If the UFC and Strikeforce are to be considered on par with other major sports leagues it must allow access to those that may have a differing view. There needs to be some level of journalistic freedom for writers to express their point of view. That is where public relations can come in to assist and educate journalists to some degree. Certainly, Zuffa can demonize the internet message boards and web sites that have a contrary view to it. But eliminating certain outlets may be detrimental to long-term growth as a company and as a sport.

The Showtime broadcast itself featured UFC advertisements (and Showtime boxing ads too) plus Dana White swilling Xyience -- a UFC sponsor and competitor to Strikeforce energy drink sponsor Rockstar. Not to mention Gus Johnson talking to Jake Shields about his upcoming UFC 129 title shot against Georges St Pierre. 

MMA Payout comments:

It will be interesting how Zuffa handles this considering the "business as usual" mantra it has preached since the initial purchase. If last night's presentation was any indication, the Strikeforce brand is being minimized. It seemed that the UFC, especially UFC 129 (e.g., the improv Jake Shields interview) was pushed more than Strikeforce during last night's event.

Zach Arnold comments:

We all know what the end game here is. Showtime's essentially paying Zuffa and giving them a media platform to push upcoming PPV events. Some suggested that they should grateful that they stumbled into obtaining a Zuffa-based product. I suspect Ken Hershman is not one of those people.

"Showtime's actually been great to deal with.

"It's been great, and no, I haven't talked to them. You know, Lorenzo (Fertitta) talked to them originally and then flew out and talked to them a couple days ago and everything's been great. There's no hard feelings on that side and there's no hard feelings on this side. We'll figure this thing out.

"There's some guys over at CBS & Showtime that I've had great relationships with and never had a problem with and then there's some that I've butted heads with."

As for Strikeforce boss Scott Coker he's ready to pit his guys against the UFC's best per the incomparable Ben Fowlkes:

"I think, you know what? Let the Strikeforce guys fight the UFC guys," Coker said. "I'd love to see it. To me, Alistair Overeem versus Cain Velasquez? Let's do it. Or Fedor fighting Brock Lesnar. ...There's nothing to say these guys can't fight each other."

According to Coker, the contracts in place aren't standing in the way, nor is Strikeforce's relationship with Showtime. As for whether these cross-promotional fights will take place on a UFC pay-per-view or on Showtime, however, is still "something that we'll have to work out," he said.

Yet Coker's vision for the future involves frequent such fights, and he doesn't see any reason why it can't happen sooner rather than later under the Zuffa banner, once all the details are worked out.

I remain hopeful that Zuffa and Strikeforce/CBS will be able to work something out. I enjoy watching Strikeforce fights on Showtime and hope to see them on CBS again as well. 

As a fan my biggest priority is seeing the best fighters face off -- Alistair Overeem, Gilbert Melendez, Nick Diaz and Ronaldo Souza have all earned the right to test themselves against the UFC's best -- but we'll see how everyone involved plays their cards.

When Zuffa first hinted that they were looking at a Strikeforce Summer pay per view I wondered if they were blowing off Showtime and looking to cannibalize all of Strikeforce's best fights for pay per view, but it may well be that they're willing to lend their PR muscle to push a Showtime PPV. I presume that Strikeforce's contracts give Showtime a lock on any PPV event they mounted. That latter scenario could be a profitable win/win for both Zuffa and Showtime.

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Conducting an experiment on knocking people out in particular ways would be unethical.

by Chris Hall on Apr 11, 2011 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

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by Sergio Hernandez on Apr 11, 2011 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

really the best part is how angry gumby seems

almost offended. Bitch this is my closet don’t you dare shoot hoops.

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by dgonz on Apr 11, 2011 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Peter, it's pronounced Chocolate.

I really hope you were quoting that.

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by T.C. Engel on Apr 11, 2011 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

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by Derek Suboticki on Apr 11, 2011 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

HAHAHA

this is one of the funniest things I have ever seen in my life

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by Solidus on Apr 11, 2011 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

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by CasualMMAFan on Apr 11, 2011 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Am I the only person that would love to see Diaz vs GSP?

We’ve seen Kos, Fitch, Alves, Hardy and others already. I’d rather see GSP vs Diaz before GSP vs Fitch II or GSP vs Penn III.

That’s if GSP gets by a very dangerous Shields. (I’m serious btw)

by OhhhGLS on Apr 11, 2011 1:24 PM EDT reply actions  

Who wouldn’t wanna see that fight?

I disagree with a previous article on BE that said Diaz should fight a guy like Sanchez before getting a shot at GSP. I wanna see Diaz-GSP asap, Diaz is on roll here, compelling fights should be made before it’s too late. If Kos got a title after blanketing Daley, why can’t Diaz get one after KO’ing the same guy?

by Joe_Leduc on Apr 11, 2011 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Strkeforce should be consumed fast as possible so we can see this man's DREAM FIGHT

CUNG LEE vs ANDERSON SILVA!!!! (everyone goes quiet……gets really awkward….)

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by Jonnycaz2.0 on Apr 11, 2011 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

This is what pops into my head when I see him, and it makes me slightly uncomfortable

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by dgonz on Apr 11, 2011 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

The worst part is they didn’t go quiet. Frank Shamrock started making the Bruce Lee war cry and punching the air. It was the most painful moment in sports commentary I’ve ever seen (and I’ve seen UFC 1).

by Confucius on Apr 11, 2011 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

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by Chris Barton on Apr 11, 2011 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I want to see the best fighters fighting the best, regardless of whether one person may have a realistic chance of winning or not. GSP and Diaz are top fighters, so they should fight.

by pud333 on Apr 11, 2011 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

i want all the belts unified

so this makes sense

zuffa cant afford to have 12 belt holders, it gets confusing that way

unify the guys with the belts and we’ll go from there

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by milk72 on Apr 11, 2011 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

was saying this before in one of the other threads

i think the best course of action for zuffa is follow their mentors and establish two distinct brands on free tv and build ppvs from there

call one UFC:fight nights and the other UFC:strikeforce and have them air on spike and vs and on Showtime respectively and have them function as basically as smackdown and raw

keep the distinct strikeforce cage, announcing team (minus johnson) and entrances in the strikeforce show though

also take some guys over from the current UFC roster and throw them into strikeforce to help even out all the divisions.

now with the ppvs simply hold fight night vs strikeforce fights, and championships fights

by following the wwe model, they ensure that they can build ppv fights that people can care about, and that UFC vs Strikeforce will create relevant fights even years from now

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by milk72 on Apr 11, 2011 1:24 PM EDT reply actions  

Ive been saying the same thing....

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by DJ Pullout on Apr 11, 2011 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

i see no reason why it cant be done

it’ll prob take a few years to get the kinks out, but the wwe formula basically guarantees big ppv pay days which is something that boxing has had a hard time coming by

every sports league has competition between itself with the mlb’s national league vs american league and the nfl’s american conference vs national conference

no reason to think UFC can’t do it with fight night vs strikeforce

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by milk72 on Apr 11, 2011 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

i dunno, bro

i’d rather keep Johnson and dump Shamrock, but they’re employed by CBS/Showtime, so there’s no real say in that from Zuffa.

i like a lot of what you’re putting out there, though. the lightweights that are in that crowded shark tank in the UFC could migrate to Strikeforce [maybe even some welterweights]. i just wonder how long they plan on keeping things completely separate when there’s no real need to do so. it may be a contractual affair.

by Victor Rodriguez on Apr 11, 2011 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow...that's an excellent analogy

I don’t think they’d keep the hexagonal cage, but I like the general concept of 2 sub-brands. They’d still need to devise a way of keeping the huge stars on free TV in some capacity.

Get The Voice and Pat Miletich to do one broadcast and Rogan and Goldie on the other.

by PackMMA on Apr 11, 2011 6:30 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

heads up
The PPV broadcast itself featured UFC advertisements…

I think you meant ‘The Showtime broadcast’

by nastyem on Apr 11, 2011 1:29 PM EDT reply actions  

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by Nate Wilcox on Apr 11, 2011 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hope so

But I don’t want SF gobbled up. I’m hoping they find a way to do it where fighters are essentially interchangeable allowing for “superfights” and more interesting matchmaking and allowing fighters to step in for short notice injury related fights between orgs. I think its definitely beneficial for Zuffa to be on a premium channel like Shotime and I don’t see why the y would abandon that opportunity by soullessly eating SF.

Conducting an experiment on knocking people out in particular ways would be unethical.

by Chris Hall on Apr 11, 2011 1:36 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

cung le?

I know this is a “hardcore” website or whatever, and he’s a zillion years old and barely fights any more, and whatever, but I can’t be the only one hoping he’s got a few more fights in him. look him up in the judo chops, he’s legit! don’t tell me cung le vs., say, akiyama doesn’t make your eyeballs explode just thinking about it.

by Clifford J on Apr 11, 2011 1:36 PM EDT reply actions  

cung le vs akiyama i like

i dont like cung le vs anderson, i feel like gus was just saying the two fighters who he knew

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by milk72 on Apr 11, 2011 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

People used to talk about Cung Le vs Anderson Silva semi-seriously back when Le had beaten Frank Shamrock and didn’t look too bad. I’m guessing Gus thought people might still be interested in it…

by nastyem on Apr 11, 2011 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

i think its just that gus pays no attention to the sport and simply doesnt care

hate on mauro all u want, but at least hes a fan

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by milk72 on Apr 11, 2011 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

people's opinions on cung le

tend to go too far in one direction or the other. either he is crap or he is going to beat A. Silva.

the fact is he’s a pretty talented mixed martial artists who had some really interesting tools and its a shame he lost interest jsut before he could have been in some high-level fights.

i’m glad there’s at least a little support for the cung le/sexyama idea. i’d love to see le fight somebody else a little better than scott smith before he hangs them up.

by Clifford J on Apr 11, 2011 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's kind of a false choice.

I’d rather the either dedicate himself to fighting or retire, or at least stop pretending he’s a title contender and just take “fun” fights. His reasoning (not getting a shitle tot after win over Scott Smith?!) is ridiculous.

If he’s just gonna fight every once in a while when he feels like it for fun, cool. Don’t tell us you want a title shot and that’s why you’re doing movies, be honest about it. If he wants a title shot, it’s time to recognize that he doesn’t deserve one now, and to be honest? He never has.

by gzl5000 on Apr 11, 2011 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think he should have gotten a title shot. I mean brett rogers got a shot after a loss.

by Wormwood on Apr 11, 2011 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

because that's probably the only big name middleweight

he could think of. Cung is awesome, but he’s nowhere near being as complete as Silva. he could have picked a better example like
Melendez x Edgar or Overeem vs Velazquez.

but no, Gus Johnson, you had to fuck things up yet again.
at least he means well.

by Victor Rodriguez on Apr 11, 2011 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Does no one remember this guy who was a crocodile or something?

I think he had a shiny thing around his waist? Punched a guy with a rifle in the mouth? Something like that.

by gzl5000 on Apr 11, 2011 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think people are stepping over a lot of legal issues with these discussions. Zuffa needs to keep strikeforce operating in its current format until its contracts with showtime expire unless they reach a new deal with them. If they try to gut the talent from strikeforce, they are going to have a lawsuit on their hands. They only way crossover fights are going to work is if some of them happen in strikeforce.

by Rabbit915 on Apr 11, 2011 1:42 PM EDT reply actions  

I still fear MMA fans will end up regretting this purchase

as excited as I am to see Gilbert Melendez fight UFC LWs, or Nick Diaz square off against UFC WWs, I really don’t see how the UFC allows SF to exist as a standalone entity for any length of time. And even if it does exist, it will exist cherry-picked of the high-level talent that makes it so entertaining to watch.

I said this around the time of the merger, and I’ll say it again: savor Satuday’s SF card, because we are coming closer and closer to a time when you will never get that high-level of a card on free TV or pay cable. All of the good fights and fighters will go behind the PPV wall, and we’ll be left with the equivalent of Fight Nights on cable.

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by Dave Strummer on Apr 11, 2011 1:50 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

i can honestly see Zuffa using the Stikeforce name...

with challenger series, on Showtime.

it’s a great way to continue a relationship w/ SHO and build up fighters. It can unclog overly populated divisions and keep less “name” fighters employed and under the Zuffa umbrella.

as a bonus the UFC/Zuffa brand may be able to find a home on CBS.

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by F'n Clownshoes on Apr 11, 2011 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can see that too

but say goodbye to fights like Daley-Diaz on Showtime. I realize that some fun fights will come out of all this, but in the long run I’m not sure if Project UFC Overlord is going to work out all that well for the rest of us.

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by Dave Strummer on Apr 11, 2011 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

i dont see why it wouldnt

the UFC needs to compete with every other sport in the world to gain fans

diaz vs daley was an awesome event and one of the best fights we’ll see this year

why the fuck would they wanna get rid of fights like that? my cousin watched a mma fight for the first time this saturday and now we have another fan who cant wait till ufc 129 to get to see the other end of zuffa’s product

i think this is exactly what zuffa wants to do, put the fun crazy fights on strikeforce and have the serious championship fights in the UFC

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by milk72 on Apr 11, 2011 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Look at what the UFC does with its own assets

the best fights (and the best fighters) go behind the PPV wall. PPV sales are, by far, the UFC’s biggest source of revenue. Success means booking the largest number of appealing PPVs that the market will bear. The UFC has consistently used its best assets (fighters) to support that model, and used mid-tier guys to promote the sport on cable TV. I don’t see that changing.

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by Dave Strummer on Apr 11, 2011 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

The UFC cares about money, they will do whatever it takes to get money, right now that means PPVs. I love watching the cards on showtime, but so far 1 company on showtime has gone bankrupt, and the other one had their owners give up and sell to zuffa. If/when network or premium tv is the way to make money, zuffa will do it.

by Phildo on Apr 11, 2011 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have the same fear

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by aaronb on Apr 11, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

SF will be gutted.

Especially after Dana’s reaction to watching the card, I really believe that they are getting impatient. I don’t think they really want to spend time trying to oversee another promotion. As soon as they legally can, they will gut SF. Ideally, I would like to see SF survive and be the UFC’s farm team, because up and coming fighters as well as UFC cut fighters need somewhere to fight for decent money and decent exposure, and not be doomed to MMA purgatory, but ultimately I don’t think that is their plan. They bought out SF to eliminate competition and eventually absorb the talent. Even guys like Barnett see the writing on the wall.

by pud333 on Apr 11, 2011 1:50 PM EDT reply actions  

I really don’t see where this is all coming from. I really don’t see why the UFC would buyout StrikeForce just to immediately gut them, when they could be fattening that turkey before eating it. They have to keep it on Showtime for a while anyway. I don’t expect that the UFC will truly “compete” with StrikeForce for talent (Zuffa will put new signees wherever the fuck they want, with the UFC getting the lion’s share of high-level prospects in divisions that aren’t super-saturated like LW and WW), but as far as taking established StrikeForce talent, I think they’ll continue to build up the StrikeForce brand promotionally, while making it readily apparent that it’s the UFC’s sister promotion, until even casual viewers are screaming for a merger. That way, when they’re folded into the UFC it will be as meaningful as possible. The superfights will be really huge to casual fans, not just us hardcore ones.

by Chromium on Apr 11, 2011 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

i think people are still applying pro wrestling history/logic to this.

and it’s bullshit. the Vince McMahon comparisons, the WCW references, it’s ridiculous. UFC has shown a great level of competence in dealing with their business, and as much as i love Strikeforce, i’d rather it be in Zuffa’s hands than some other incompetent group of assholes like the Shaw family.

that being said, they won’t make those mistakes that WWE made [which is where all this speculation and negativity comes from] and will certainly ensure that matters are done right. they handled the WEC purchase well, and the same goes for the merger. why would they handle this any worse?

by Victor Rodriguez on Apr 11, 2011 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just a gut feeling. All the UFC ever cares about is the UFC.

by pud333 on Apr 11, 2011 8:36 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

here's what i see

business as usual for Strikeforce means finding exciting fights by all means necessary, i.e. bringing in fighters from other promotions like Dream and working w/ the cringeworthy M-1 guys.
business as usual for the UFC means bring as much exposure to themselves at the expense of or with the help of any other “brand” they are close w/. if that means adverts for UFC on a Strikeforce card or vice versa then….gravy. business as usual also means that the UFC will make sure the “Best” fight for them, period.
in the end it appears that the big winner here is Zuffa, and that should make sense to everyone involved, following, observing, and related to MMA.

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by F'n Clownshoes on Apr 11, 2011 1:50 PM EDT reply actions  

There is a major issue to merging that is being overlooked.

Many of the strikeforce fighters are allowed to fight outside of the organization. The top fighters are not going be allowed to fight against UFC fighters as long as Allistar wants to fight in K-1 and Diaz wants to box. Some fighters might be willing to give that up, but Zuffa is not going to half gut strikeforce for a couple of fights. Strikeforce is still a valid product, untill a complete merger is worked out it doesn’t make business sense for the UFC. Strikeforce might then survive as a feeder organization, but they are not going to bring over some of the top fighters while leaving those who won’t give up their opportunities to fight outside the organization.

by MrPants on Apr 11, 2011 2:01 PM EDT reply actions  

Zuffa is not going to half gut strikeforce for a couple of fights

I’m pretty sure they will do exactly that if Showtime doesn’t want to play ball.

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by Derek Suboticki on Apr 11, 2011 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Showtime knows full well that they’re no longer the ones dealing from a position of power now, and will definitely play ball.

Also I don’t think the UFC is really high on making StrikeForce into a feeder organization (I know you didn’t say this but a lot of people are speculating this). They already showed that they didn’t care much for feeder orgs when they changed their minds on doing that with the WEC. I also don’t see them taking SF divisions wholesale when HW is StrikeForce’s strongest and most marketable division, and if they started in from the other side they hardly need more LWs.

by Chromium on Apr 11, 2011 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

All those things you mentioned can be solved for money. Overeem still hasn’t been paid for winning the K1 GP, so he isn’t going to fight in K1 again. Diaz wants to box for money, but there’s probably more money for him in the UFC/Strikeforce than there is in boxing.

The open contracts seemed like a great idea on paper, but right now, Zuffa/Forza are the only people with the money to pay these fighters what they want/think they are worth.

by Phildo on Apr 11, 2011 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Doesn't matter if they are impatient.

I’m sure they are – I am, too – but contracts are contracts and must be fulfilled or amicably broken. Keeping Showtime legally satisfied until whenever doesn’t involve going on PPV.

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by Derek Suboticki on Apr 11, 2011 2:01 PM EDT reply actions  

Bloggers Gonna Blog.

Even when they have no idea whats going on behind the scenes

by Wormwood on Apr 11, 2011 2:14 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

What’s the point of this post exactly?

by castleeb on Apr 11, 2011 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol

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by Anthony Pace on Apr 11, 2011 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sometimes I wish I could come on here and say something worth of some true Luke Thomas hate

Conducting an experiment on knocking people out in particular ways would be unethical.

by Chris Hall on Apr 11, 2011 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I understand your feelings. You are mad because I dont consider blogs to be reputable sports news. I love the site, i just wouldnt consider it a news page. It is more of a page that consolodates news from other sources, and I appreciate that.
But I do not think it warrants credentials for an mma event. If mma wants to be a “serious sport”, i dont think it should give creds to cut and paste blogs, thats just my opinion.
If you wanna respond thats cool, just keep it real without the insults

by Wormwood on Apr 11, 2011 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Things we know about Zuffa:

1. They value the UFC brand above everything else
2. They are primarily in the PPV business
3. They have a huge emphasis on contracts and do not want to be seen as violating or meddling in contracts.
4. They’ve currently got to more fighters than they want under UFC contract and are in the process of making deep roster cuts
5. Things they say about closing/merging promotions they’ve purchased cannot be taken at face value
6. Decisions to close/merge/purchase promotions can some suddenly and without the knowledge or both the MMA media and Zuffa employees.

Strikeforce is getting gutted, but it is going to be a slow process that allows contracts to be honored and gives Zuffa time to deal with the logistical problems. The UFC needs the best fighters to sell PPVs and Showtime is not going to be interested in putting on the UFC D-League, so either MMA on Showtime will be over or they’ll make a new deal to show the UFC.

by Jahbulon on Apr 11, 2011 2:14 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

great comment

pretty thoroughly sums it up.

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by Nate Wilcox on Apr 11, 2011 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

How can I be the first to rec this?

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by Rundownloser on Apr 11, 2011 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Zuffa should just make Strikeforce the permanent holding grounds for good mma fighters with no wrestling base and no game planning . Theyll never be world beaters but theyll put on some exciting fights for the fans.

by terzergoss on Apr 11, 2011 2:25 PM EDT reply actions  

I want to see Herschel “Apollo Creed” Walker fight Handy Couture. It’d be way more competitive than a cracked out James Toney fighting Handy. Oh … And I also am dying to see Ubereem fight Carwin.

by Johnnynumber5 on Apr 11, 2011 2:28 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Lorenzo is fucking ripped ...

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by DK_Monster on Apr 11, 2011 3:02 PM EDT reply actions  

Anyone notice....

…the MusclePharm logo on the hexagon? ZUFFA is already dropping some cash into StrikeForce. Not quite sure what to think about that honestly.

by Cestus84 on Apr 11, 2011 3:17 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

When Zuffa first hinted that they were looking at a Strikeforce Summer pay per view I wondered if they were blowing off Showtime and looking to cannibalize all of Strikeforce’s best fights for pay per view

A few things here: 1) I don’t see how that would constitute cannibalizing SF fighters. Did you mean another word there, or did you mean cannibalizing the PPV market, not “all of StrikeForce’s best fighters”? 2) PPV would be a fine way to bypass Showtime for their biggest events (they could also produce them the way they wanted), but StrikeForce does not have the star power or branding power to do regular PPVs like the UFC does. They’d still need to have most of their shows on Showtime in order to build to maybe two really huge events a year.

by Chromium on Apr 11, 2011 4:08 PM EDT reply actions  

fights not fighters

they are going to eat up the best fights Strikeforce has on PPV and leave Showtime with bupkis. that was what I meant.

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by Nate Wilcox on Apr 11, 2011 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I still don’t think that’s the right word, since cannibalizing in a business term is “competing with yourself,” but a that’s trivial point so whatever.

Anyway, I honestly wouldn’t blame Zuffa if they had like two annual SF supercards on PPV each year, which in addition to making some decent money would also circumvent Showtime’s control over the broadcast productions (they could show prelim fights and whatnot, and not use Gus Johnson or the creepy CGI flesh-dummies).

by Chromium on Apr 13, 2011 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I feel bad for Scott Coker

he seems sort of pained that his baby is prolly gonna end up in pieces.

by Robust23 on Apr 11, 2011 4:16 PM EDT reply actions  

me too

but hey, you gotta give the man credit. he’s made huge strides and he’s being compensated for it. he’ll probably get the Reed Harris treatment and stay in the Zuffa family.

because after all, with his resume and the opportunity to do so, wouldn’t YOU hire him? i know i wouldn’t have to think about it.

by Victor Rodriguez on Apr 11, 2011 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, i mean no doubt he’s gonna get paid. But I still feel bad for him. He always came across as a genuinely nice guy who loved Strikeforce. If they didn’t need another buyer so bad there’s no way he would have given it up in this way.
He never came across as arrogant , insincere, brash or slimy which is the norm for fight promoters these days.

by Robust23 on Apr 11, 2011 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fedor vs. Lesnar??

Lesnar is about 50 pounds heavier than Fedor. Hopefully Fedor will move to LHW and stay there! I obviously like him but he can’t compete with true heavyweights.

by Fedornuthugger on Apr 11, 2011 7:20 PM EDT reply actions  

I would like to see a real partnership between Zuffa and Showtime here

By most accounts, Showtime execs don’t like Dana, which is understandable. But the opportunity for a mutually beneficial relationship between the two entities may smooth over any hard feelings. It is probably just fantasy, but Zuffa keeping SF as an “American League to their National League” sounds awesome to me. If not that then I would like to see UFC programming on a premium cable network like showtime.

If SF is to be scrapped, at least their best fighters go to the UFC and hopefully we get a strong UFC presence on Showtime. Maybe then I won’t have to be bothered with FFing through any more commercials for Manswers or a 1000 Ways To Die.

by Anton Chigurh on Apr 11, 2011 8:06 PM EDT reply actions  

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