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Strikeforce Trying to Book Dan Henderson vs Fedor Emelianenko

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Russian star Fedor Emelianenko may have washed out of Strikeforce's heavyweight Grand Prix when he lost to Antonio Silva in February, but he remains a top of the card attraction. Meanwhile Strikeforce light heavyweight champ Dan Henderson has a distinct lack of compelling challengers -- especially given Gegard Mousasi's majority draw with Keith Jardine last night at Strikeforce: Diaz vs Daley.

So an elegant solution is being considered. Scott Coker told Ben Fowlkes that Fedor vs Dan Henderson is being targeted for July or August of this year. Conveniently, July or August is the exact same timing Zuffa has floated for the first Strikeforce pay per view. Of course there are some complications:

"We asked Fedor if he'd come down to 205 [pounds], and that didn't come to a good result," said Coker. "So, you know, we're going to keep pushing and hopefully have something to announce in the next two weeks or so. Right now, the fight's not made yet. Sometimes it's the little things - and I don't want to get into the contract negotiations - but it's the little things where somebody wants this, somebody wants that."

...Coker said there is no contractual impediment to making an Emelianenko-Henderson fight happen under the Zuffa banner.

"The contract's already in place. We have a multi-fight contract with Fedor, which will continue. He will fight in July or August some time. So that's going to continue. The contract thing, it's just the details now."

Interestingly this directly contradicts what Fedor said last week:

Interviewer: Do you consider dropping to light heavyweight? And possibly fight Dan Henderson for the light heavyweight title?

Fedor: Yes I have talked about it with my manager Vadim Finklestein. But as far as I know, there is no offer made by Strikeforce to fight as a light heavyweight.

I would be very interested to know what Showtime thinks of Zuffa's plans for a pay per view. Presumably Strikeforce's existing contracts with Showtime would guarantee Showtime's participation, but there is no telling what is going on behind the scenes or how the Showtime/Zuffa relationship is progressing. 

It's kind of ironic that we're talking about a Fedor vs Dan Strikeforce pay per view since that idea had originally been floated when both men signed with Strikeforce. Of course at that time the expectation was that Fedor would come in and take the heavyweight belt while Henderson would roll in, take Jake Shields' middleweight belt, move up and take the 205lb title and only then challenge Fedor. None of those plans worked out of course, but the fight still makes sense. 

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Of course at that time the expectation was that Fedor would come in and take the heavyweight belt while Henderson would roll in, take Jake Shields’ middleweight belt, move up and take the 205lb title and only then challenge Fedor.

This would have been just EPIC

by mmablitzkrieg on Apr 10, 2011 10:35 AM EDT reply actions  

to me

if this fight doesn’t happen at LHW it’s totally pointless.

by Roaringblood on Apr 10, 2011 10:39 AM EDT reply actions  

Hendo has fought at HW before.

Food goes in here

by Pandanus on Apr 10, 2011 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Strikeforce's version of Silva/GSP?

In both cases, as much as we fans would love to see both fights, weight issues will likely keep both from coming to fruition. I think it’s highly unlikely GSP will take the time off to properly put on the necessary weight to fight Silva & I don’t see Fedor’s handlers allowing him to make the most logical move for him at this point in his career (a move to LHW)

with that said, may the MMA Gods prove me wrong …

by ChiCity85 on Apr 10, 2011 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Henderson has said he’d fight Fedor at HW.

Food goes in here

by Pandanus on Apr 10, 2011 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think it matters

realistically why should Fedor try to learn weight cutting at his age and career point? and can you imagine the brutal techniques to cut weight he’d pick up in Stary Oskul?

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by Nate Wilcox on Apr 10, 2011 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

I also doubt he outweighs Hendo by more than 10 pounds at Heavyweight, and probably they’d be right about the same size on fight night.

by Tedd Welch on Apr 10, 2011 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

he started cutting weight a while back.

it all began with taking off that fucking sweater.

by Victor Rodriguez on Apr 10, 2011 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Realistically,

Fedor could diet down to 215 in a month. And he’s no stranger to saunas… the guy sweats it out in a sauna on a weekly basis.

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by ElliotMatheny on Apr 10, 2011 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

and who cares about any of the Strikeforce titles anyway?

they were already pretty silly and now they’re short-timer titles anyway, like the old WEC belts at LHW, MW, WW and LW

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by Nate Wilcox on Apr 10, 2011 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

For me,

the belt is meaningless, but I really do want to see Fedor at 205. He can’t cruise over much bigger heavyweights on talent alone anymore.

Werdum is a natural cruiserweight* (meant for a 230 lb. division), and Bigfoot is obviously a true heavyweight. Fedor has a light heavyweight body. If you compare the 3 men, it’s obvious who belongs in each respective weight class.

*I’m not suggesting a cruiserweight/ heavyweight split, just saying that Werdum fits more into that classification than calling him a heavyweight.

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by ElliotMatheny on Apr 10, 2011 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

This will not happen

The Russians will find a way out of it. Plus, Fedor fighting twice in 5 months? Please!

by William Wilson on Apr 10, 2011 10:47 AM EDT reply actions  

Fedor has his legacy, and nobody can dispute that...

But his present path is embarrassing.
I cringe when I read about him nowadays.
Give him an icecream and let him fade away in peace.

by Rug Rug on Apr 10, 2011 10:58 AM EDT reply actions  

Things must make you cringe easily. That is pretty sad…

Having said that, this could just be a “special attraction” event or “super fight”. Fedor is a small HW, and in theory this fight could still take place at HW, if Fedor comes in around 225lbs and Dan at 206lbs. You’re not asking Dan to put on any extra weight, and Fedor will come in only 20-25lbs heavier.

by Stroma on Apr 10, 2011 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Dan doesn’t cut weight to make 205?

by Tedd Welch on Apr 10, 2011 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Very little as I understand it, although not from anyone I consider a rock solid source. In peak (pre-cut) condition for LHW he is supposedly in the 210-212 range.

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by The American Ronin on Apr 10, 2011 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

fedor gets a title shot off 2 losses? they werent lying about business as usual

by hewsdaddy on Apr 10, 2011 11:01 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

I'm surprised this hasn't been mentioned...

Fedor doesn’t deserve a shot against Hendo at this point. You just don’t give a guy coming off of 2 losses a shot against the champ; I don’t care who it is.

by OmoPlata on Apr 10, 2011 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Do it at HW.

That eliminates the ‘title shot coming off a loss’ grousing.

by Steve4192 on Apr 10, 2011 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

They should really just do it at HW. Fedor isn’t a big HW, trying to convince him to fight at 205 is probably more trouble than it’s worth, because it would probably involve some sort of “negotiation” and there’s no real reason to give him anything more than they ahve to at this point.

by Phildo on Apr 10, 2011 11:09 AM EDT reply actions  

and Hendo isn’t a big LHW. so its basically a HW vs a MW

make Fedors chubby self cut down. It would simply be a slight diet adjustment and a small water cut. I don’t get what is the big deal.

by dbcb on Apr 10, 2011 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

A twenty pound difference is nothing compared to the kinds of weight differences small HWs deal in the HW division. 230lbs vs. 206lbs isn’t bad at all. I bet there are some LHWs who cut to 205, only to come in at 220 on fight night.

by Stroma on Apr 10, 2011 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

I dont care where it happens

This is a waaaaayy better idea than Fedor V Randy. Make This Happen!!!

If you wanna throw down in fisticuffs, fine! I've got Jack Johnson and Tom O'Leary waitin' for ya...right here!

by ODBasyoucansee on Apr 10, 2011 11:14 AM EDT reply actions  

ah finally

a really really good point

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by Nate Wilcox on Apr 10, 2011 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

No reason whatsoever to make this a 3-rounder, regardless.

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by The American Ronin on Apr 10, 2011 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

if that’s the case, just have it somewhere that allows 5 round non-title fights. M-1’s leverage has never been lower, Fedor has lost 2 in a row, there’s no reason to put a title and major leverage into reach.

by Phildo on Apr 10, 2011 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well,

SF will probably be folded within a year or two, so I don’t think it will be much of a problem.

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by ElliotMatheny on Apr 10, 2011 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

If they fold the belt is even more leverage; they’re going to want the champs in the ufc and have to bend over to get them.

by Phildo on Apr 10, 2011 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

The crazy russians have limited options.....

Now that Zuffa is in control, vadim really has no real bargaining power. If they are going to revive the career of Fedor, it will need to be at a weight he can be competitive at. An opportunity to headline a ppv card and chance to stake a claim to the lhw division is the only way I see them ever getting any of their negotiating power back. Quite frankly if they are stupid enough to turn down this offer, they should offer him Chad Griggs to headline a Strikeforce Challengers show. (and yes, I think Griggs has a shot to win this)

by necessary_punishment on Apr 10, 2011 11:18 AM EDT reply actions  

Do you work for one of the athletic commissions that continue to license Ken Shamrock to fight, by chance?

Did you see the size of that chicken?

by Heenan on Apr 10, 2011 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Lol Fedor vs Griggs on a Challengers card.

That is some sadistic shit right there because I too could see Griggs catching Fedor. Insult to injury is what that would be.

by Rob Young on Apr 10, 2011 6:03 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

i'm curious about contracts (i wrote this in another thread but I think it's relevent here)

it would seem to me the best way for fighters to "cross over" will be when a contract is up and they want to revive credibility/popularity into a certain fighter. i can’t see champions crossing over anytime soon although i’d like to be wrong.
question. what are the legal ramifications w/ cross promotion between Strikeforce and UFC? i mean w/ television and PPV contracts. i can only assume that a PPV w/ cross promotion would have to go thru Showtime? Right?

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by F'n Clownshoes on Apr 10, 2011 11:29 AM EDT reply actions  

relevant due to the fact that this should be a title fight on a Zuffa PPV

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by F'n Clownshoes on Apr 10, 2011 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

I would imagine that fighters signed to Showtime would have to fight on a Showtime PPV. They could do the whole thing with a lack of branding similar to Aldo vs. Faber.

by Rob Young on Apr 10, 2011 6:05 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

The dealing with M-1 in one sentence
None of those plans worked out of course, but the fight still makes sense.

Could somebody knock some sense into these guys.

by Coeman on Apr 10, 2011 11:35 AM EDT reply actions  

Just have the fight as a HW special attraction fight. Fedor would come in around 225 – 230lbs (no weight cutting), and Dan would come in 205-210 (no weight cutting). This seems more fair than say a 230lb fighting a 285lb fighter.

by Stroma on Apr 10, 2011 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

it was really the losses

Hendo to Shields, Fedor to Werdum, that blew up those plans.

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by Nate Wilcox on Apr 10, 2011 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Plans in MMA?

That’s what I mean no long term thinking or contingency plans burning bridges and putting your future in something as unpredictable as MMA. It’s already passe’ but Fedor should have gone to the UFC to better legacy and finance.

by Coeman on Apr 10, 2011 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe Fedor doesn’t want a belt for contractual reasons. Or he doesn’t wanna fight 5-rounds.

by Joe_Leduc on Apr 10, 2011 1:34 PM EDT reply actions  

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