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Strikeforce: Diaz vs. Daley Post-Fight Interviews - Nick Diaz


In an instant classic, Nick Diaz TKOs Paul Daley in what was one of the greatest rounds in MMA history. Diaz defeated Daley via TKO (punches) at 4:57 of round 1 to retain the Strikeforce welterweight championship. Yet Nick Diaz thinks he will get suspended after the Paul Daley win:

"They're going to suspend me for that shit, and I don’t even know why I do this. I’m like, whatever, suspend me, you know what I mean. For whatever, I don’t know, but I can guarantee I’m suspended for whatever happened out there."

Josh Gross tweets:

CSAC executive officer George Dodd told me he has no idea why Nick Diaz thinks he's getting suspended, @arielhelwani. No suspension coming.

More post-fight interviews from MMA Fighting:
- Scott Coker Discusses Diaz vs. Daley Results, What's Next for Gina Carano (video)
- Gilbert Melendez Open to Dominating Strikeforce Before Moving Onto UFC (video)
- Keith Jardine Explains Why He Thinks He Beat Gegard Mousasi (video)

Strikeforce: Diaz vs. Daley coverage

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More post-fight interviews from MMA H.E.A.T.'s Karyn Bryant:
- Strikeforce's Shinya Aoki Knew Beerbohm Could Be Submitted (video)
- Strikeforce's Keith Jardine Talks About Majority Draw With Gegard Mousasi (video)


More post-fight interviews from Shosports:
- Gilbert Melendez - Post Fight (video)

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It's like watching Charlie Sheen

If Sheen could kick ass

Let the fighters fight, let the referees ref, but dear God, don't let the judges judge.

by halitosis on Apr 10, 2011 9:51 AM EDT reply actions   2 recs

He probably thought

Dragging the camera over to Diaz and talking more crap in his face while he was sitting on the stool would get him in more trouble then expected.

by rkilla on Apr 10, 2011 9:52 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Did he..

Talk smack? I would think that Daley would have reacted more… I dunno, aggressively to that.

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by Sergio Hernandez on Apr 10, 2011 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

He pulled a Lesnar...

the cameras kept him out of frame, but as Daley was on queer street while sitting on the stool, Diaz started cursing him out and put his hand in his face.

by John Danaher's Hair on Apr 10, 2011 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

So Diaz put his hands on Daley after the fight? Obviously if it was nothing, nothing will be made of it but its interesting none the less. Daley clearly doesn’t see a problem or he’d have something to say about it im sure.

"Honestly, I've got nothing against Josh Koscheck personally........but the guy's just a dickhead"-Paul Daley

by NE188 on Apr 10, 2011 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

no- he didn't touch him

See the pic below- he just pointed at his face, but they did shake hands later.

by John Danaher's Hair on Apr 10, 2011 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

saw it, thanks

To be honest, they’re both big personalities, talk trash…could strangely imagine them getting along relatively well outside the cage.

"Honestly, I've got nothing against Josh Koscheck personally........but the guy's just a dickhead"-Paul Daley

by NE188 on Apr 10, 2011 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Interesting

Any medications for this? Maybe banned so he can’t take them before the fight?

by Coeman on Apr 10, 2011 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Personality disorders are difficult to medicate...

there’s been some success with mood stabilizers and anti-depressants, but meds on their own won’t much. Personality disorders are so difficult because they’re entrenched in the fabric of the individual. Long-term therapy, particularly Dialectical Behavioral Therapy (DBT) to gain insight is the best bet.

by John Danaher's Hair on Apr 10, 2011 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Since you “work in mental health” which could mean anything from doctor to janitor, you realize that there are thousands upon thousands of so called “disorders” and its very easy to fit many of them to everyone and there are no people that fall completely out of all of the disorder categories which would be considered “normal”. I also feel people that try to work in that field tend to judge more that help, for example your post. Giving a complete diagnosis to a person you never met, thats intern know-it-all syndrome if i’m not mistaken.

by mikeI981j on Apr 10, 2011 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm a Licensed Clinical Social Worker....

who practices psychotherapy in a public mental health clinic in Manhattan. There are not “thousands” of personality disorders, there are 11 (though research is turning our knowledge of them on its ear, and this will be reflected in the next DSM). And while there are overlapping symptomologies, there are also strict adherences that must be followed in ruling out certain symptoms as parts of other diagnoses. If someone who does what I do can’t categorize behaviors like Diaz’ into the established criteria that guides treatment, then they’d have to pick a new field. My diagnosis of Diaz has no implication- it’s just my opinion on an internet forum, but believe it or not, Antisocial PD isn’t all that rare within the populations that I serve, and we have enough evidence of Diaz’ behavior and upbringing to make an educated guess. Diaz isn’t crazy- he’s not mentally ill, but if you think that his behavior is normative, I’m glad I don’t know you in real life.

But, human beings are complex creatures and there’s certainly a TON of gray area and our picture of mental health will be totally different in 30 years, just as today is totally different than 30 years ago. One thing that’s true and always will be is that you can’t generalize when dealing with the human condition- there’s no “one-size fits all” approaches or treatments, even within a single disorders diagnostic criteria, that’s why keeping an open mind and allowing yourself to accept new ideas is really important.

Regarding your sweeping generalization about people in my field, that’s just silly as there is such variance between corners of the field and those who choose to practice within them. I’ve had colleagues that have been closed minded, Freudian-indoctrinated conservatives and new-agey, wishy washy Transpersonal Psychology or Gestalt minded hippy types there’s no one statement that you could make about us all. I’m not treating Nick Diaz, so my opinion above means nothing in the real world- but like I said, he fits that diagnosis to a T.

by John Danaher's Hair on Apr 10, 2011 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I never said anything about the profession, you just never stated what you do. My opinion is that theres always some degree of “disorder” that are put on everyday people who are otherwise pretty normal. Just watching diaz in interviews he may seem different but normal face to face conversation he isn’t looking around and avoiding eye contact like that. I’m sure the camera makes his uneasy when its right in his face and being asked questions, and being a pothead makes him agitated when hes not smoking.

by mikeI981j on Apr 10, 2011 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ve always thought that it’s crazy that people expect athletes to be “normal” when in these tremendously odd situations- i.e. when Tiger Woods had to have a press conference to own up to every dark, closeted, personal, sex life secret with his family there and coverage around the world, he got criticized for his words not seeming “natural.” If someone is “natural” under those circumstances, they’re not “normal.” If you look at the symptoms of APD that I listed above, it’s not the way he’s acting in the interview, it’s the contents of his thoughts and things that we know he’s done thanks to him being a somewhat public figure a few times a year. Look at those listed symptoms and tell me that you’ve not observed them in Diaz. He is one of the few athletes who don’t just give mindless cliched answers- I believe that to be him and that seems to jibe with conventional wisdom.

by John Danaher's Hair on Apr 10, 2011 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Very Nice

So what you saying his disorder isn’t neurological. are there any therapeutic exercises.? I’m sure smoking pot takes away some of the symptoms. DW said in his interview with Ariel that he told Nick if he toned his behavior a bit he will be a huge star. Maybe its impossible, I hope he gets some sort of therapy.

by Coeman on Apr 10, 2011 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

My armchair shrink reaction was "paranoid"...

about being jumped. A valid worry if you come from the kind of neighborhood he does.

But I read somewhere that heavy pot smoking can screw with your personality. De-personalisation (I think that means removing personality traits) or paranoia if I remember correctly, are possibilities.

by Arca MMA on Apr 11, 2011 1:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Jardine thinks he beat Mousasi?

Oh well…. why can’t fighters be sincere and just admit they got lucky with the judges? I won’t change their (fucking bullshit) decision…..

by mmablitzkrieg on Apr 10, 2011 9:58 AM EDT reply actions  

I have no personal opinion on Jardine (aside from that his looks are totally brutal), but Mousasi really deserved and neede that win. It would be great to introduce him to the more casual fans.

by mmablitzkrieg on Apr 10, 2011 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

He had a complete personality shift as soon as Helwani mentioned the triatholon

Diaz was all angry and upset, and as soon as Helwani mentioned the triatholon Diaz had a smile on his face and was reflecting positively on it.

by KJ Gould on Apr 10, 2011 9:58 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Probably because it occupies that otherness from MMA and is more refreshing to talk about.

Food goes in here

by Pandanus on Apr 10, 2011 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nick has said many times that if he could make money doing triathlons, he would drop MMA in a heartbeat.

Thank God there is no money in triathlons.

by Steve4192 on Apr 10, 2011 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

I guess

Though I’d imagine there’s some money in the famed Iron Man contests. But with so many other competitors they’re difficult to win.

by KJ Gould on Apr 10, 2011 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

There is good money in it

I don’t know if he’s good enough to win the big prizes though. Don’t know much about triathlons other than you can win a nice checks.

Diaz has said something along the lines of he hates MMA fighting and would rather not do it, but he’s come this far and can’t turn back now.

"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."

by TheFilt on Apr 10, 2011 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

There's a ton of money out there
Prize money from the seven Series events and the year-end bonus pool will total $1.65-million (all funds USD). The Grand Final in Beijing-contested on the 2008 Olympic venue-will feature a $250,000 prize purse while the prize money for every other Series event will be $150,000. Athletes will vie for an additional $500,000 in the year-end bonus pool which pays the top 20 ranked women and men at season’s end.

http://www.triathlon.org/news/article/prize_money_and_gold_group_for_2011_world_championship_series/

"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."

by TheFilt on Apr 10, 2011 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey, don’t ever tell this to Nick..

by Horselover Fat on Apr 10, 2011 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know, right?

And that’s just one series. There’s several major races outside of it and countless small ones all over the country.

"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."

by TheFilt on Apr 10, 2011 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Okay, cool. He probably just isn’t good enough to get to the top then, and is using the “no money” as an excuse of sorts.

by Horselover Fat on Apr 10, 2011 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

.

Most fighters will want more money regardless. The debate on what fighters deserve before being ‘overpaid’ will never end. What I will say is we’ve yet to see the effects on fighters who have had multiple blows to their head throughout their careers and whether what they’ve earned after tax and expenses will be enough for round the clock medical care for the rest of their lives if it ever comes to that. That level of care doesn’t come cheaply and why if a union or players association can’t be formed or organised, a charitable trust or Fighters Fund should at the least be formed with concessions from the top promoters and entities turning a major profit.

by KJ Gould on Apr 11, 2011 5:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

So if Ariel Helwani never went to broadcasting school he’d be just some random with an internet blog no one reads.

Food goes in here

by Pandanus on Apr 10, 2011 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Stay under the Rug
he’s just another jabbering mouth breather who’d be working at a gas station or snatching purses.

But he is not and I believe even without fighting he wouldn’t. If you actually listen to his past interviews you can find some very interesting points he is making on different issues, he is eccentric which is great.

by Coeman on Apr 10, 2011 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

1. You don’t have any idea how smart he is.
2. How smart he is doesn’t matter at all to what he does.

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by Dave Strummer on Apr 10, 2011 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Diaz doesn’t strike me as very intellectual, but he’s smart enough to train hard when he has a fight and improve when he doesn’t. That’s smarter than a lot of guys in MMA, even at the top level.

by Tedd Welch on Apr 10, 2011 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Intelligent ≠ intellectual. Fail.

by umbalata on Apr 11, 2011 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, he’s a little Out there. And he doesn’t do promotion well. But in all the ways that relate to actually fighting, the dude is a consummate professional. Always shows up in top shape, ready to go hard for 5 rounds. Always makes weight and always, always brings it, regardless of who he’s fighting. Plus I know he’ll be talking shit within the first minute of the fight. I gained new respect for Mr Diaz last night….

by mthom on Apr 10, 2011 11:36 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Diaz is awesome and I agree overall, but let’s not forget the time he came in 10 pounds overweight.

by Tedd Welch on Apr 10, 2011 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

I forgot about that

But c’mon man. It wasn’t him: it was the sea water. I blame the sea, the seA!!!

by mthom on Apr 10, 2011 12:02 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I forgot about that

But c’mon man. It wasn’t him: it was the sea water. I blame the sea, the seA!!!

by mthom on Apr 10, 2011 12:02 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

He was coming off a bout at 170 in japan and was fighting 32 days later or so at 160 in EliteXC. His camp informed his opponent’s (Cobbrey) camp well in advance that he wasn’t going to make weight.

by KIMURA420 on Apr 10, 2011 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

If that's the case, the other guys had plenty of opportunity to:

1) Demand he makes weight or else.
2) Gladly receive the penalty money if there is some levied (e.g. part of Nick’s purse to go to the opponent is sometimes a penalty applied)
3) Refuse the fight
4) Decide to go ahead with the fight without having to cut weight. No energy draining effect should be better for the opponent.

So I wouldn’t hold it against Nick if he did give then plenty of notice.

by Arca MMA on Apr 11, 2011 1:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm a hardcore Diaz hater

But that’s just too far.

by CstBoog on Apr 10, 2011 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

lmao this can be said for any fighter, or pro athlete, take away their talent and they’re nobody, and diaz is a purse snatcher now? You guys really need to stop posting when you’re mad.

by mikeI981j on Apr 10, 2011 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Looked like he threw a cameraman

away from him when he first started celebrating, then said something to Daley. I noticed that the cameras all seemed to leave Nick for a few seconds there.

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by ODBasyoucansee on Apr 10, 2011 10:08 AM EDT reply actions  

This.

Also he threw a hissy fit when officials barred his buddy from entering the ring. Strikeforce would be stupid to allow another opportunity for that camp to do something ridiculous following a fight.

by OmoPlata on Apr 10, 2011 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nick REALLY needs to take a break from the weed

Dude is straight up paranoid.

“They’re out to get me”
“The fight wasn’t fair”
“They’re going to suspend me”
“They can’t get rid of me that easy”

Seriously dude.

Take a few months off and clean out your system.

by Steve4192 on Apr 10, 2011 10:17 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

I actually think...

that he needs to get back on the weed- being clean for months while training must really fray him- paranoia isn’t necessarily a side effect of weed as much as ti is a cliche, and many people actually smoke to medicate their paranoia.

by John Danaher's Hair on Apr 10, 2011 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why would he be clean for months during training? All he has to do is quit far enough out that it is clear of his system (what two or three weeks?). Thing is Nick acts like this in interviews when he’s months out from a fight too, this is not really abnormal behaviour for what we see out of him when he does any kind of interview at any point in time.

by who me on Apr 10, 2011 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

It depends how often he smokes...

Pot is fat soluble and can stay in the system for months if it’s frequent use.

by John Danaher's Hair on Apr 10, 2011 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well Diaz doesn’t carry a lot of weight and is constantly training for MMA or triathalons and they do have quite a bit of experience with this too. Thing is even if you said it takes Nick 90 days to clear his system (it wouldn’t) then you can still go back and look at interviews with him where he acts similarly. The pot isn’t really treating Nick Diaz for being Nick Diaz (although it could possibly be helping him with some of his issues), Nick is angry and paranoid pretty much every time someone talks to him.

by who me on Apr 10, 2011 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually, he acts like someone “addicted” to weed that’s not been able to smoke a bowl in a day or so.

by Rufford on Apr 10, 2011 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agree that it seems that could be the case but that’s hard to diagnose out of the handful of interviews we see with him.

by who me on Apr 10, 2011 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I used to get tested every two weeks

when I was a kid.

As a really lean person, who exercises constantly, I was able to get completely clean in a week.

Years ago, when Nick was even more rebellious, he said he wouldn’t quit smoking for commission but he could still pass the test with 8 days notice IIRC.

"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."

by TheFilt on Apr 10, 2011 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

i was rooting for diaz but....

I wish he would admit that daley rocked him a few times, it would look a lot better.

by psuwrestler99 on Apr 10, 2011 10:22 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

He was flash KO’d, it is childish to deny he was in trouble, but well, he is childish most of the time.

by mmablitzkrieg on Apr 10, 2011 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly

I would respect it a lot more if he said something like “guy hits fucking harder than I expected, but everyone knows I can take a punch from anyone and come back with more”

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by The American Ronin on Apr 11, 2011 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

He just gave me a headache.

Boys becoming men...Men becoming wolves

by spectaa on Apr 10, 2011 10:22 AM EDT reply actions  

Failed drug test coming....

or this guy is just nuts. I love watching him fight but he is crazy.

by knowone on Apr 10, 2011 10:39 AM EDT reply actions  

Dailey:

“Wtf is a 209???”

Boys becoming men...Men becoming wolves

by spectaa on Apr 10, 2011 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Early stoppage my ass.

Learn JiuJitsu, it's fun.
Nick Diaz just beat Paul Daley at his own (and only) game.

by RolloTomasi on Apr 10, 2011 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Nick's paranoia is epic

I was so bummed to see Semtex lose on that BS stoppage, but I still really enjoy Nick Diaz. He could do a lot to reduce the staggering boring quotient of the UFC’s WW division.

Tatum: I think he's a good man. I like him. I got nothing against him, but I'm definitely gonna make orphans of his children.

by Dave Strummer on Apr 10, 2011 10:45 AM EDT reply actions  

BS Stoppage?

Look at the pic. above what does it say?Dazed and confused

by Coeman on Apr 10, 2011 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Right but

You were not in cage close to the action observing Daley’s eyes and face. I believe Big John saw something that made him stop the fight which he didn’t looking up close at Diaz. The post fight reaction only reconfirms that the stoppage was justified.

by Coeman on Apr 10, 2011 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

If it happened in a vaccuum, I wounldn't have a problem with it

but you can’t give Nick time recover from a much worse position (face down, not defending intelligently) and then stop Paul while he’s still active.

Tatum: I think he's a good man. I like him. I got nothing against him, but I'm definitely gonna make orphans of his children.

by Dave Strummer on Apr 10, 2011 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

I did feel that was pretty inconsistent. Diaz was face-first on the mat, and he lied there for a second before recovering, and in most cases, that would be a justified stoppage. I do see where you are coming from. Big John should have given Daley that same time to recover especially since he was kicking away at Diaz, however, there will always have the argument of fighter safety and not being in the same position as a referee, especially an experienced one like Big John.

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by chrisbboy82 on Apr 10, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Again,

Big john was close to see that there was not going to be any recovery and the post fight video reconfirmed it. I believe Diaz was in a worst position but still had the movement to defend intelligently, just like Frankie or Brock. Big John has enough experience to look in Daley’s eyes and make the decision that he had enough. Daley didn’t contest the stoppage as far as I know.

by Coeman on Apr 10, 2011 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Daley looked pretty pissed on the chair

I’ll be interested to see what he says.

Tatum: I think he's a good man. I like him. I got nothing against him, but I'm definitely gonna make orphans of his children.

by Dave Strummer on Apr 10, 2011 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree to disagree but take a look at the stoppage

Even after the stoppage Daley was flailing his arms, he was done.

by Coeman on Apr 10, 2011 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Monte-

I know this must urt. But, did you watch the slo-mo replay?

by John Danaher's Hair on Apr 10, 2011 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I did dude

and I know I’m biased, but I really like Diaz, and I am impressed as hell with his performance. I just don’t think Big John was fair in how he called it. Nick probably would have overwhelmed him in round 2, but Paul was defending when it stopped.

Tatum: I think he's a good man. I like him. I got nothing against him, but I'm definitely gonna make orphans of his children.

by Dave Strummer on Apr 10, 2011 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I saw his arms drop in the replay and his eyes got an even more faraway look to them.

by John Danaher's Hair on Apr 10, 2011 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I dont understand

You admit that Daley post stoppage was far worsely rocked than Diaz was at any point during the night… how ever you think the fight was unjustly stopped because at the time Jon mcarthy didnt have video proof that Daley was so rocked he couldnt even sit on a stool? You sound like a clown. Jon mcarthy as a profesional saw things that were indications of how badly each fighter was rocked, and used his judgement, which led to a good stoppage as supported by the fact daley couldnt even sit up on his own.

by Morgan Freeman on Apr 10, 2011 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

You’re new, so let me clue you in. We try not to make obnoxious ad hominem attacks here. Try being civil, or try MMAmania.

As to your argument, you’re missing my point completely. People are using their interpretation of Daley’s demeanor after the fight to justify the stoppage, when the stoppage can only be based on what’s observed in the cage.

I maintain that he was defending when it was stopped — at least as much as Diaz was defending when he was face down and rocked.

Tatum: I think he's a good man. I like him. I got nothing against him, but I'm definitely gonna make orphans of his children.

by Dave Strummer on Apr 10, 2011 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Completely agree, I was rooting for Diaz but that was a shitty stoppage. Only a few seconds left and he was conscious and defending himself, and as you said Diaz were in just as bad or worse situations earlier in the round. It was a great fight while it lasted, and I still think Diaz would have put him away in the second round, but I can’t help but to feel cheated out of more awesome fighting and a more definite stoppage.

by Horselover Fat on Apr 10, 2011 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think Nick would have won too

And while I am a giant Semtex homer, I also really like the Diaz bros, and was incredibly impressed with his performance. Paul had given Nick his best stuff, and Nick had the upper hand. I don’t think it would have made it out of the second. But I do think that stoppage was early.

Tatum: I think he's a good man. I like him. I got nothing against him, but I'm definitely gonna make orphans of his children.

by Dave Strummer on Apr 10, 2011 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

The advantage of being the champion

The champ gets more of a chance to recover, we’ve seen it recently with Edgar vs. Edgar and Lesnar vs. Carwin

Still on the Charles Oliveira bandwagon!

by SmokinJoe86 on Apr 10, 2011 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I thought at the time that he gave Diaz too much time...

but, Diaz was grabbing wrist control, and once the hammerfists stopped, he was moving his head. I don’t think that he was completely out.

by John Danaher's Hair on Apr 10, 2011 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I believe Big John saw something that made him stop the fight which he didn’t looking up close at Diaz.

That’s because Diaz was face down…

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by The American Ronin on Apr 11, 2011 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Even after

he did a lil twirl and fell on his ass? I hate to say it but your argument would hold more weight if you werent usually anti Diaz. Im a Diaz fan and I thought the stoppage was shitty at first, then watched the fight again. Daley looked like he was going down before the second time he rocked Diaz. He was hurt bad. Big John is the man. Good stoppage.

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by ODBasyoucansee on Apr 10, 2011 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

You're thinking of a different guy

I love the Diaz boys. I was rooting for Semtex, but I wasn’t rooting against the Diaz bros. Paul deserved time to recover and we deserved another round.

Tatum: I think he's a good man. I like him. I got nothing against him, but I'm definitely gonna make orphans of his children.

by Dave Strummer on Apr 10, 2011 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

my bad,

Im with you on another round but if Daley didnt protest (much) why should we?

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by ODBasyoucansee on Apr 10, 2011 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

I haven't seen him interviewed yet

but he looked pretty pissed about it on the chair. I care because that fight was Paul’s best shot at continuing to fight for U.S.-based promotions, and I like watching him. Frankly, he was probably going to lose round 2, given where he was and Nick’s work rate, but I still hated the stoppage. I think the Frankie Edgar comparison is really apt. What if he’d been stopped against Maynard in their last fight? We’d have been out an amazing contest.

Tatum: I think he's a good man. I like him. I got nothing against him, but I'm definitely gonna make orphans of his children.

by Dave Strummer on Apr 10, 2011 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

cant say I disagree

I love watching Daley fight as well, and the little drama that played out with DW makes me think that after that loss we won’t be seeing much more of Semtex. I really hope Im wrong. On an unrelated note, did you think Daley was playing a bit of possum in that fight? I saw him wince and back up to the cage a couple times, only to fire off huge hooks when Nick closed the distance. I remember yelling “BE CAREFUL” right before Daley dropped him the second time. He could have been genuinely hurt but if that was his strategy it was a damn good one… for awhile anyway.

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by ODBasyoucansee on Apr 10, 2011 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sometimes...

Getting another round can be your downfall. Maiquel Falcao (spelling) and Gerald (?) (surname) fight recently… they both didn’t engage much after a 1st round in which Falcao dominated. Falcao won a decision and got criticised but “let off the hook” by White due to it being his 1st UFC fight. The other guy got fired. If the other guy had just got KO’d or if the ref stopped the fight due to strikes in R1, he might well have not got fired… but I think White was incensed by the guy’s unwillingness to engage despite being behind on the scorecards.

If Daley had become scared (homie!) and done a Kalib Run in R2, he might torpedo his chances of staying with Zuffa completely. As it was, he put on a good fight that people were entertained by, and that might score him some brownie points with the Zuffa brass. The other thing he needs to do is pull his head out of his ass, stop criticising Zuffa’s fairness or lack thereof, stop threatening silly things like boycotting his fight, repent for his ILLEGAL assault on Koscheck, and play ball a bit. I love Daley’s fighting style and was very sad to see him get fired. And if he maintains his bad behaviour, he is going to run himself out of contention for a UFC spot in the future.

by Arca MMA on Apr 11, 2011 1:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

What Big John does have is almost 2 decades of MMA reffing experience that allows him to judge when someone can or can’t continue, just saying. And considering Diaz took one hammer fist, then was on his hands and knees actively dodging punches, the right calls were made.

by MRR1 on Apr 10, 2011 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

That's an Appeal to Authority

Big John’s been making more and more questionable decisions lately.

by Tedd Welch on Apr 10, 2011 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

No it’s not, trust me, there is one thing I would never do, and thats appeal to authority. But I do calls it like I sees it. And it was a direct response to ‘He didn’t have the benefit of hindsight’. In which case, I believe his experience makes him qualified to determine someones ability to fight.

by MRR1 on Apr 10, 2011 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

The bottom line is that he gave Nick more chances than Paul

I don’t know if that was championship bias or what, but he didn’t ref the fight evenly.

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by Dave Strummer on Apr 10, 2011 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

And I still disagree. I think Nick caught one real punch after getting dropped. Daley caught several and was loopy. Not to say Diaz might have been a little bit as well, but he did way more to avoid any further damage, while Daley ate everything thrown, even if there weren’t that many.

by MRR1 on Apr 10, 2011 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

*not to say Nick wasn’t as well

by MRR1 on Apr 10, 2011 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

A lot comes down to the ref's authority.

The ref is given full authority to ref the match. If he messes up, he messes up and we live with it. Unless he messes up badly over and over, he is unlikely to lose his job. We hope for the refs to be professional, unbiased, and experienced, and we are happy when we get the “best in the biz” Herb Dean and Big John reffing the match. If you get one of these two, I think regardless of whether you think the stoppage was correct, you have to admit that very few refs could have done a better job, ON AVERAGE, than these two guys.

So, overall, I would accept a decision by Big John without any major complaints, trusting in his skills and experience.

The same applies in other sports like Soccer (Football, if you insist). A handball into goal (Hand of God, Hand of Frog examples) can be revealed via video after the fact, but that doesn’t change anything. The ref’s decision at the time stands firm.

As for the actual fight, sometimes when the ref sees a very badly rocked fighter fall down (pretty much spontaneously like that), he’s already moving to call the fight off. The standing fighter jumps on the downed fighter, tries to land a punch or two, at the same moment when the ref is already diving in to stop the fight. What I’m saying is, I’ve seen fights called off sooner than what John did here.

As a fan, though, and considering the clock, I would have liked to see him let Daley try to survive to the break.

Question: if he lets Daley get to the break, but then considers that he’s taken so much damage that he SHOULD have called it off 3 secs before round’s end, can he call a TKO on Daley at that point? My guess is, NO. But if he honestly believes that Daley is going to get damaged badly/unnecessarily in R2, wouldn’t he be justified in calling it? It’s the same reasoning why he called it 3 secs before end of round: he believes Daley would take SO MUCH DAMAGE in the next 3 secs that it would be risking the fighter’s health.

by Arca MMA on Apr 11, 2011 1:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

He gave Nick more chances because Nick didn’t go out. Just because you didn’t see it doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. Obviously McCarthy saw this because he is a professional. Daley wouldn’t have been able to sit on a stool for five more minutes let alone fight. The aftermath should just confirm to you that McCarthy saw something the rest of us didn’t.

by cbrody111 on Apr 10, 2011 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I recently had the same conversation about Condit/MacDonald, and I think if the same chain of event had occurred in this fight, but there were 20-30 seconds left on the clock instead of 3-5 seconds, people would be a lot less unsure of the stoppage.

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by The American Ronin on Apr 11, 2011 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

sorry dude, but your fandom is getting in the way...

Big John was looking in Daley’s eyes after his legs went rubbery, and they were distant. I could see that from home. In real time, I thought the stoppage was early, but the replay showed that Daley clearly dropped his arms for the last 3-4 punches of the finish. Big John was right on top of it.

by John Danaher's Hair on Apr 10, 2011 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

next time he should use his arms instead of his legs when someone is punching him in the face – daley ate a few after falling over without defending himself, that’s what got it stopped

by JeremyShane on Apr 10, 2011 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Clearly what happens post fight has a bearing on wether a stoppage was good or not.

Nick diaz was able to stand on his own without Daley stopping his attack, contrasted with Daley stumbling trying to sit on a stool - with assistance. Just because from your point of view during the fight it appeared he received less damage than Diaz did when Diaz was rocked does not make it true. Daley stiffened up while recieving ground and pound, that is most likely why the fight was stopped. This was immidiately after he fell down and his head bounces off the canvas. Your claim is that Jon mcarthy made the right call by mistake? Because clearly daleys post stoppage display confirmed that Jon mcarthy made the right decision.

by Morgan Freeman on Apr 10, 2011 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wouldn’t say he looks dazed and confused. I’d say it’s the face of a guy who is sitting there thinking “what the fuck are you doing”

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by NE188 on Apr 10, 2011 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Same guy after another terrible beatdown

Point being, facial damage is not always the best indicator of who won a fight

by Steve4192 on Apr 10, 2011 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, best to decide fights by amount of ass-whooping doled out… advantage mousasi again

by LBo on Apr 10, 2011 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

...

".He still has a ground game that seems heavily dependent on lying still and hoping that his opponent won't notice his very kimura-able arm..."

by dancingChicken on Apr 10, 2011 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

is this photoshopped at all?

by Joe_Leduc on Apr 10, 2011 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, I believe he does jui jitsi now

Only hes in it cuz- ITSA RAININ MEN!!!!

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by Jonnycaz2.0 on Apr 10, 2011 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sexy lips…

".He still has a ground game that seems heavily dependent on lying still and hoping that his opponent won't notice his very kimura-able arm..."

by dancingChicken on Apr 10, 2011 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

"I'm Feel Good"

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by *thriive* on Apr 11, 2011 1:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Keith Jardine

"I'm Feel Good"

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by *thriive* on Apr 11, 2011 1:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Guess who hasnt complained about a shitty stoppage yet?

Paul Daley!

If you wanna throw down in fisticuffs, fine! I've got Jack Johnson and Tom O'Leary waitin' for ya...right here!

by ODBasyoucansee on Apr 10, 2011 11:05 AM EDT reply actions  

woops

nevermind

If you wanna throw down in fisticuffs, fine! I've got Jack Johnson and Tom O'Leary waitin' for ya...right here!

by ODBasyoucansee on Apr 10, 2011 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

I wonder if he got medically suspended after the fight? Like the usaul 30 days or cleared by a doctor. Now that I think of it, I bet thats what it is, he’s just so loopy he doesn’t realize.

by MRR1 on Apr 10, 2011 11:06 AM EDT reply actions  

yaknow

I havent even considered his mental state either. He took some big shots, and looked emotional at the end, like he had been through hell and back. Maybe we shouldnt put too much weight on that interview, other than its hilarious

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by ODBasyoucansee on Apr 10, 2011 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

I turn my head away from the mic to breathe

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by BadB on Apr 10, 2011 11:21 AM EDT reply actions  

Judging...

Oh man another draw, lol.

It is easy to blame the judges, and maybe they do deserve some heat, but everyone I watched the fight with and myself called this result. What a shame. Mousassi put on a clinic and dominated, but once again the criteria raised its ugly head. And no Jardine’s new nickname is not Criteria, lol.

The big problem as I see it, is takedown scoring. Jardine repeatedly took Mousassi down and failed to improve position, keep him down or score from the top position. Why on Earth should he receive any credit for this? In fact, Mousassi scored over and over from bottom.

Until this is fixed, we can expect to see more outstanding performances wasted by silly criteria. Now don’t get me wrong, takedowns are a HUGE part of the game, but they have to lead to something, even if it is just blanketing the other guy. Jardine’s takedowns shouldn’t have counted for anything, imo.

by BJJDenver on Apr 10, 2011 11:24 AM EDT reply actions  

You said it

I didn’t understand all the bitching about King Mo/Mousasi, but this wasn’t King Mo/Mousasi. Every time Jardine got a takedown, Mousasi A) Outlanded him and B) Got up. It wasn’t even a break from Jardine getting beaten up, it was Jardine getting beaten up but rotated 90 degrees.

by Tedd Welch on Apr 10, 2011 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

yea, people have been whining about judging and wrestling for a while, but this is a special case. This is an example of judges being awful and giving too much credit for takedowns, people act like decisions like this happen all the time, but they don’t.

by Phildo on Apr 10, 2011 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I look at a takedown

With no improvement in position afterward as a single point scoring jab. Yes the fighter scored but it wasn’t a big deal. Jab after jab with no answer or takedown after takedown with no answer are different stories.

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by dedstrk316 on Apr 10, 2011 12:04 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

there is really no one like this guy…the best interviews ever and what a performance last night!!!

by phantom5691 on Apr 10, 2011 11:25 AM EDT reply actions  

classic diaz interview lol

nonsensical, eyes darting all over the place, ranting and raving incoherently lmao

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by Gouken on Apr 10, 2011 11:25 AM EDT reply actions  

I hate when...

..fighters complain about the promotions “bringing in people to beat them.” Isn’t that the nature of the game? If they think someone can beat the champ, they put them in there with em. Does he want shitty opponents? A Padded easy line up? If so, he should consider moving to Bellator and fighting alongside alvarez and his leaping fade away hook punches. Lame.

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by Beartrap on Apr 10, 2011 11:29 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

1 thing thats not getting enough attention....

Is diaz’s striking. He stood toe 2 toe with widely considered the most devastating punchers at ww in the world. And Nick did more than hold his own. Beside a couple powerful hooks from daley that dazed diaz, nick out struck him. And hurt him on several different occasions. It also appeared that nick has a lot more power in his punches. I was really impressed with his striking, maybe more so than some of his past performances.

by psuwrestler99 on Apr 10, 2011 11:40 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

But you can’t say “Beside a couple powerful hooks from daley that dazed diaz, nick out struck him,” and brush it aside like that. Paul’s style is power-punching, Nick’s style is volume-punching. True to forms, Paul landed hard and Nick landed alot, and because of that Nick won…? If the round had gone to the bell, I would’ve put it as a draw.

by umbalata on Apr 11, 2011 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Daley was swinging for the fences

Diaz outstruck him no doubt…it was a treat to watch.

I feel Daley was loading up way too much, the fights I have seen him land one punch KO’s he was patient and very precise. Tonight he just seemed to be putting way too much into it looking for a one punch KO. He was off balance and his feet seemed everywhere. Anybody else feel this way?

Im disappointed it was stopped as a fan because it was such an enjoyable round, but I don’t know if I could really complain about it given Daley had lost his faculties to end up on his ground in the first place. I initially thought it was premature, but I think that was the fan in me wanting more with no consideration for the fighters safety.

by Passive on Apr 10, 2011 11:49 AM EDT reply actions  

This is the mistake that somehow EVERYONE makes with Diaz. Gomi, Noons, Cyborg, now Daley…every one of them lands one good shot and all of a sudden starts swinging for the fences. Have they never seen a Diaz fight before? Dude has a chin, recovers well and has an endless gas tank. I believe Nick Diaz can be outstruck, but to do it you’d have to be patient, constantly move your head and try to tag Nick rather than KO him with each punch. Good fundamentals disappear when you go for broke.

by gzl5000 on Apr 10, 2011 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

true

and Nick’s taunting seems to bring that out of his opponent every time. Its almost like an Anderson thing, he makes the guy either really angry or doubt his own skills.

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by ODBasyoucansee on Apr 10, 2011 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

easier said than done

when somebody’s coming at you with such direct, aggressive, high-volume striking it’s gotta be pretty hard not to brawl with him, especially when he’s constantly leaving major gaps in his guard. head movement alone is not the antidote to diaz’ striking, unless you’re somebody on the level of floyd mayweather. he throws so many strikes to both head and body and is not afraid of getting hit that even a patient fighter would eventually succumb to his flurries.

hate to say it, but a wrestler who can shoot a good power double is the likely antidote. daley was actually pretty patient and technical for the most part, and has faster hands than maybe any mma striker, and he eventually fell. daley was 1 for 1 on takedowns though.

by Trust Doesn't Rust on Apr 10, 2011 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Of course it is. That’s why all those fighters I mentioned fell into his trap. Daley mostly tried to cover up on defense, which generally worked for the first 2 punches of a combo, and then Nick’s accuracy tore his defense apart. Noons had much more success in the first fight moving his head instead of covering up, still even he ended up winging power shots from way out instead of trying to touch Nick with each punch.

I agree that Daley was patient to a point, but once his covering up proved ineffective, he threw those huge winging hooks straight out of it instead of moving his head to set up the counters. I don’t know if there’s a striker at 170 who would have the boxing defense, technical striking and maturity to be patient enough to effectively counter Diaz once he starts dropping his hands to throw the body shots (and boy, does he), but I don’t think it’s impossible by any stretch. It just shocks me that, as difficult as it clearly is, coaches don’t scout Diaz more heavily and realize the same thing happens every fight.

by gzl5000 on Apr 10, 2011 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thiago Alves

Imo is the perfect striker to beat Diaz. He doesn’t brawl and would duplicate the Aldo-Faber fight all over Diaz’s lead leg.

Google Ron Paul!

by CaDreamer on Apr 11, 2011 2:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

i agree, i was thinking about alves..

Before I said daley is considered the most devastating striker at ww, that’s why I said daley is considered the most devastating puncher. I think Alves beats diaz standing. But ill be rooting for diaz.

by psuwrestler99 on Apr 11, 2011 7:58 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Agreed.

Google Ron Paul!

by CaDreamer on Apr 12, 2011 4:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

I really thought Daley was gonna knock Diaz out.....Diaz keeps impressing me...

And I feel bad for mousasi…but the guy has gotta go to wrestling school…

by CVD on Apr 10, 2011 11:58 AM EDT reply actions  

WHAT'S THAT?

Oh…just the wind….just the wind…

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by BVandDietPepsi on Apr 10, 2011 12:01 PM EDT reply actions  

rec'd

Totally agree

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by Hatfield on Apr 10, 2011 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

What a timely article about omission bias, huh?

I think that this fight is a perfect example at the difficulties of applying omission bias to MMA. Many fans here are screaming for Big John to have applied omission bias in the fight while others are saying that he did the right thing to protect the fighters and others are insisting that Big John actively omitted stopping the fight for Diaz after his second knockdown. The bottom line is, that MMA refs are adherent to a set of norms that actually supersedes the rules of the sport- that of protecting the fighters safety. It’s certainly an interesting debate, and one that I expect us to see continually evolving nuances of in the sport.

by John Danaher's Hair on Apr 10, 2011 12:13 PM EDT reply actions  

Every time I see your name...

It makes it feel like John Danaher himself is commenting with your words. I imagine his face (from TUF12) saying them.

by Arca MMA on Apr 11, 2011 7:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Is it just me or the only thing that makes Diaz happy is talking about losing a triathlon to his friend? Whenever MMA is discussed he sounds either angry or down right depressed. Perhaps he needs to retire on top and then focus on a job that makes him happy? Not like he needs the money or fame now he’s got both.

by Matt Benson on Apr 10, 2011 1:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Apparently, he doesn’t have all that much money. We don’t know the cuts for the camp and such, so maybe he doesn’t net all that much at the end of the day.

by umbalata on Apr 11, 2011 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

what a great night of fights. The strikeforce card was REALLY entertaining. Everybody i had over was going nuts during the Diaz-Daley fight. Also if your a fan of boxing The Erik Morales-Marcos Maidana fight last night was equally entertaing. Many people thought morales had nothing left but gave maidana a serious run.

by asmiley420 on Apr 10, 2011 2:38 PM EDT reply actions  

Makes me think he might pop on his piss test. THC andwhatnot.
“They’re going to suspend me for that shit, and I don’t even know why I do this.

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Nick Diaz just beat Paul Daley at his own (and only) game.

by RolloTomasi on Apr 10, 2011 3:13 PM EDT reply actions  

I thinks he's just crazy and says what he thinks

A CSAC official probably was giving him some shit about it, especially after the Miller incident.

"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."

by TheFilt on Apr 10, 2011 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

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