Will Nick Diaz Style Plastic Surgery Become the Norm in MMA?
Nick Diaz got a fair bit of attention in 2008 when he went under plastic surgeon Frank Stile's knife for an innovative procedure to remove old scar tissue and grind down bones in the brow. Other fighters have since followed Diaz' example, including Marcus Davis who went to see Dr. Stile and Wanderlei Silva who, infamously, did not.
Former Sherdog/ESPN writer Jake Rossen has a feature on Stile for Wired, notable excerpt:
This is where Stile comes in. Bulky, broad-shouldered, with the features of a B-movie heavy, his Las Vegas practice is in the nucleus of the country's exploding MMA scene. Since his success with Diaz, he's performed the scar-tissue removal surgery on six other fighters. Some semi-pros have even come to him after a single cut in sparring, nervous they might be predisposed to career-altering lacerations.
"When these guys have their original injuries, whether it's in training or in an amateur fight or a pro fight, it all hinges on how well these wounds are addressed," Stile says. "Usually, they're closed by non-plastic surgeons, by emergency room physicians or some guy at the event."
Instead of being shut in layers, only the epidermis (the outermost surface) is stitched. The next time a set of knuckles strikes that area, it's like punching through tissue paper; the skin is closed again, poorly, and the cycle repeats. It's unstable material, and it has cost Diaz, as well as many others, not only fights but also the winner's share of the purse.
Rossen spends quite a bit of time mulling the question of whether or not this represents some sort of science fiction corruption of the purity of the sport. Personally, I don't see getting state-of-the-art plastic surgery as being any different than getting state-of-the-art arthroscopic surgery to repair a damaged knee.
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With stand-and-bang fighting earning big fight-of-the-night honors, this kind of surgery is going to have plenty of clients. Diego Sanchez and Martin Kampmann should go ahead and schedule appointments for 2012.
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Sanchez has Exploding Vagina Face Syndrome. There’s no cure for that.
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by Anthony Pace on Mar 9, 2011 10:57 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Meh.
I don’t have problems with this. At the same time, I don’t think it gives that much of an advantage unless you’re of the “Look at his face and look at mine!” school of judging.
Yeah, but I think a lot of people subscribe to that style of judging.
What's this war in the heart of nature? Why does nature vie with itself? The land contend with the sea? Is there an avenging power in nature? Not one power, but two?
by Kwisatz Haderach on Mar 9, 2011 10:57 AM EST up reply actions
Those people need to try harder. When they look into it, they’ll realize there is no real way to quantify damage.
Yeah I totally agree. When a guy breaks his foot throwing a leg kick at me, why isn’t that damage I caused to him:)
What's this war in the heart of nature? Why does nature vie with itself? The land contend with the sea? Is there an avenging power in nature? Not one power, but two?
by Kwisatz Haderach on Mar 9, 2011 1:24 PM EST up reply actions
Cut stoppages is the major issue here, not judging.
Diaz was constantly at risk for premature cut stoppages prior to getting the surgery. He was cut on that Neanderthal brow of his in nearly every fight. A stiff wind would open up a cut on him. All it takes is one squeamish doctor and you can kiss your win purse goodbye.
chuck liddell was constantly at a risk
of getting KO’d if every fight which isn’t fair since it’s fighting that caused his condition, i think he should get to wear headgear, or maybe the other guys has to wear boxing gloves.
i can admit when i'm wrong, can you?
by nocoolname32 on Mar 9, 2011 11:08 AM EST up reply actions
chuck liddell was constantly at a risk of getting KO’d if every figh
Sigh.
I hate noobs.
by Steve4192 on Mar 9, 2011 11:18 AM EST up reply actions 5 recs
If you read the whole article there was a comment by one of the ethics specialists where they mentioned fighters possible going to lengths such as getting silicone or something injected around the jaw to soften knockouts.
I think it was a speculative comment more then an actual plausible procedure to get an advantage to be less susceptible to knockouts.
?!?!?!?!
That sounds like a terrible idea! Oh god, KOed in a spray of bloody silicone…
But that’s not the same thing. The surgery they’re describing is simply making the cut heal properly, as opposed to the methods used commonly. It’s not enhancing anything; the best case scenario is that its as if the cut never occurred.
Cuts are a hindrance IMO
They don’t necessarily reflect a big strike or real effectiveness by the other fighter, but can definitely influence judging and even the fight. Finding a way to reduce them has to be a good thing right?
Not afraid to nitpick
ur last sentence is incorrect
it’s like saying someone needed knee surgury and had a totally aritificle knee put in and in their next fight with paul harris when he is cranking on that knee the fighter looks at paul and just laffs. shaving down bone? this is making physical alterations so as to provide an advantage, remove the tissue but man shaving down bone is going too far. maybe we have to classify different performance enhancing surgeries.
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wow....
Really? So you’re saying an artificial knee will alleviate the pain of a kneebar? Fascinating!!
by bloody_cage_junkie on Mar 9, 2011 10:50 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
sucks to be me
ok so i was wrong wise ass
i can admit when i'm wrong, can you?
by nocoolname32 on Mar 9, 2011 10:58 AM EST up reply actions
Are you Scott Farkus's toadie?
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by Anthony Pace on Mar 9, 2011 11:00 AM EST up reply actions
that was almost rec'd
but since it was aimed at me i didn’t, damn bumpus hounds
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by nocoolname32 on Mar 9, 2011 11:04 AM EST up reply actions
it's just when someone says "wise ass"
it reminds me of that scene from A Christmas Story
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by Anthony Pace on Mar 9, 2011 11:05 AM EST up reply actions
Fights stopped on cuts
suck for all involve. This just prevents an artificial end to fights due to built up scar tissue from wars. I totally agree that there is essentially like removing a bone spur or scar tissue built up around ligaments that are preventing movement.
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by thetakeover on Mar 9, 2011 10:47 AM EST reply actions 6 recs
botox for brock
if he got botox injections in his face it would hurt when dos santos bring his reign of terror to poor brocks facial anatomy and then brock can commence with his take down and subsequent gnp.
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hmmm
“fights stopped on cuts suck for all involve” how about the guy who is getting his hand raised?
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See KJ Noons.
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by Heenan on Mar 9, 2011 10:53 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I fail to see how this is a problem...
Get back to me when fighters start having elective surgery to have metal plates and the like put into their body for an advantage.
"If at first you don't succeed, destroy all the evidence that you tried"
I don't think he did it "for an advantage"
But I think Fedor has a metal plate in his hand, largely due to his bones being constructed of oatmeal.
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by Anthony Pace on Mar 9, 2011 11:05 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree, that's what I am saying
When someone has a plate put in their shin or forearm, to block/absorb blows, or be more lethal than they already are, then people will have something worthy of the complaints and faux controversy.
"If at first you don't succeed, destroy all the evidence that you tried"
I agree. This guy got away with it for too long!

If you can't wow them with brilliance, then baffle them with bullshit.
by DayGeaux on Mar 9, 2011 11:29 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Of all the things in MMA to get one's panties in a twist about
this has got to be the most ridiculous. If the structure of your face makes you naturally more susceptible to cuts than a “normal” person, and there’s a procedure that fixes that, how on earth is that a problem?
You have to really torture the definition of performance enhancement to lump this surgery in with things like steroids and EPO. The real problem with performance enhancing drugs in MMA (besides the competitive advantage) is that they allow users to batter and harm their opponents more effectively than they would be able to naturally. This surgery just evens the playing field between guys like Diego and Marcus Davis that cut if you breathe on them funny, and guys like BJ Penn, who you could hit with a spiked bat and not open up.
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I don’t think most people are debating the surgery that Nick had. I think the debate is being presented for where the line will eventually need to be drawn as sports medicine develops more extensive procedures then this.
This doesn’t really cross the line and he’s only repairing his skin to be the same as “virgin” skin would be when struck.
I find this comment downright bizarre. How is it not performance enhancing to have a guy reshape your face so you don’t get cut? Genetic differences are part of the sport. Some guys are stronger and faster, even at the same level of training and weight class, and this is a procedure that scientifically alters that.
by Christopher Bradley on Mar 9, 2011 11:54 PM EST up reply actions
This isn't a debate.
The surgery repairs damage done. It doesn’t enhance natural ability.
/debate
by POW on Mar 9, 2011 11:39 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Did you read the entire piece or just the excerpt Nate picked out? The article also discusses shaving down the brow bone in order to reduce cuts.
I don’t have a problem with it – I’ve been more than vocal about my apathy over the steroid issue, but there’s more to this story than repairing scar tissue.
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Yeah you’re right about that Mike, after I commented I remembered that bit and…I dunno that one is iffy to me
by ET Son on Mar 9, 2011 12:36 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I’d get my elbows and knees ground into sharp points, like Abomination from HULK.
Or more realistically, could you get titanium plates grafted onto your elbows and knees? Would that help?
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This is somewhat different from knee surgery in that they're getting something made better than it was.
This sort of like if a young pitcher decided to get Tommy John surgery without having blown his UCL first – because Tommy John surgery tends to increase pitch velocities.
I can see why some people might object to elective surgery that improves performance rather than just restores lost performance.
However, I have no such objection.
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Diaz looks like an angry asshole...
even when he’s unconscious.
by John Danaher's Hair on Mar 9, 2011 1:24 PM EST reply actions
Jesus Christ, I just read the article and though about one thing: GUNM.
It’s a japanese manga when at one point there is this crazy-ass tournament called ZOTT (short for Zenith Of Things but since they’re japanese and not entirely english literate they fucked it up, I guess) where people would just waste resources like maniacs in a form of insane martial arts arms race to win the tournament ala PRIDE GP’s, and there was zero regulation to go along with it.
Damn…those were good times.
It's not just fixing the scars . . .
Diaz had his bone structure altered, too. That’s the weird part. That’s surgical alteration for performance enhancing purposes.
I mean, if you can do that . . . why not muscle grafts? That’s doable. Or treatments to increase the protrusion of your knuckles or elbows? Are people going to be allowed to surgically enhance themselves for purposes of victory?
by Christopher Bradley on Mar 9, 2011 11:51 PM EST reply actions

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